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Reports on the Coronavirus Pandemic from Around the World; Covid Patients Still Struggle with Symptoms After Recovery; 2020 Grads Face Worst Job Market. Aired 8:30-9a ET
Aired May 20, 2020 - 08:30 ET
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CRAIG DEITELZWEIG, PRESIDENT AND CEO, MARX REALTY: Is to innovation and creativity.
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Spencer, I think that's really interesting because the flip side is that people are getting very comfortable in their home environments and they're realizing, and what I hear a lot of people say is, wow, I guess we can do this from home. I guess with Zoom and our, you know, digital world on our cell phones, I guess we can do this from home and that that was going to be the trend towards more distancing.
So I know -- I mean, look, you guys are obviously interested parties. You want the real estate business to keep thriving and being robust. But don't you think that people have kind of gotten used to being on zoom meetings in their, you know, slippers?
SPENCER LEVY, CHAIRMAN OF AMERICAS RESEARCH, CBRE: Well, CBRE has studied this and we call it the fluid workplace, where you can work from home, you can work from your office, you can work from a coffee shop.
But I think that the comfort factor is one thing, but I think the productivity factor and the other factors that Craig talked about is quite another, where we have studied the workplace for decades and it has been proven that the workplace is the best place to attract and retain the highest quality talent, to create the culture you want. Makes people happier and more productive.
And, in fact, if you look outside the office space to the restaurant sector, we have a phenomenon which we call pent up demand where people want to go back, not just for these factors of making them better from a productivity standpoint, but happier. So we do believe that the fluid workplace was coming and it may have been accelerated by the Covid incident, which it probably did, but we think that people will want to go back to the office for all those factors and we're already seeing it in places like restaurants, which have reopened and people are going back at higher levels than we would have thought.
CAMEROTA: Really interesting perspective from both of you.
Craig Deitelzweig, Spencer Levy, thank you both very much for your time.
LEVY: Thank you.
CAMEROTA: So many patients who managed to recover from coronavirus still, of course, face a very long road ahead.
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DR. REYNOLD PANETTIERI, RUTGERS INSTITUTE FOR TRANSLATIONAL MEDICINE AND SCIENCE: Cases and participants who describe this ongoing fatigue and malaise, a feeling of not well.
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CAMEROTA: Our Dr. Sanjay Gupta is going to report on this, next.
BERMAN: New this morning, the U.S. is sending medical aid to Russia, including hundreds of ventilators, and a fresh drug maker has backed off its suggestion that the U.S. might get priority for a potential coronavirus vaccine.
CNN has reporters all around the world to bring you the latest developments.
MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm Matthew Chance.
And Russian officials say a big shipment of U.S. medical aid is now heading to Moscow to help combat the coronavirus pandemic. The first shipment will include 50 American-made ventilators with a further 150 ventilators to follow. Russian officials say the shipment has been financed by Washington.
It all follows a series of phone calls between Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin and controversial shipment of Russian aid to the U.S. last month, including a model of Russian ventilator later found to have caused hospital fires in Moscow in St. Petersburg. Russia, of course, now has the highest number of recorded cases of coronavirus in the world after the United States.
PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm Paula Hancocks in Seoul.
High school seniors are back at school here in South Korea and it really feels like a milestone in the country's fight against coronavirus. Now, temperature checks, hand sanitizers, social distancing, both in the classroom and in the canteen, are becoming the new norm. Officials are hoping to introduce the lower grades back into the schools over coming weeks. But there have already been first day hurdles. Dozens of schools just west of Seoul have had to be closed after two students tested positive. MELISSA BELL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm Melissa Bell in
Paris, where the French president has been meeting with the CEO of the French pharmaceutical giant Sanofi after summoning him in the wake of his remarks last week that the United States might be given priority should his company find a vaccine. In the end, both sides agreed that access to such a vaccine needed to be universal, but the French president insisting in the wake of that meeting on the need now for Europe to get its act together. The United States had been able to help Sanofi with the early funding in the search of the vaccine. Europe now needed similar agencies at a European level to help it ensure a better response than it has provided so far.
SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm Shasta Darlington in Sao Paulo.
Record high deaths in Covid-19 infections setting Brazil on the path to become the world's next hot spot. On Tuesday night, the health ministry reported 1,179 more deaths. A new record. The number of new cases also a new record at over 17,000. U.S. President Donald Trump says he's considering a ban on travel from Brazil.
CAMEROTA: Our thanks to our correspondents around the globe.
Now to a development that doctors are seeing with this illness. Some patients who beat coronavirus can then experience symptoms for far longer than expected. Even young, healthy, athletic people report shortness of breath or difficulty walking well after recovery.
CNN's chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, has more.
MICHAEL HERBERT, CORONAVIRUS PATIENT: He said, I need to do a rather aggressive treatment on you. Do you have a wife and children? If so, we need to call them and tell them we need to essentially tell them good-bye because you have about a 20 percent chance of surviving this.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: I can't even -- I can't even imagine. I mean is it hard to talk about?
HERBERT: The hardest part of all to remember is the phone call to my wife and kids. I mean that was just awful.
GUPTA (voice over): What started as a cough and a fever ended with 49- year-old Michael Herbert in the ICU on a ventilator for seven days, unsure if he'd ever see his family again.
HERBERT: I didn't know what was going to happen, if I was going to wake up or not.
GUPTA: In all the numbers we hear about coronavirus, number infected, number who have sadly died, we haven't heard as much about another group of patients, those who have recovered.
DR. MARIA VAN KERKHOVE, INFECTIOUS DISEASE EPIDEMIOLOGIST, WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION: There are more than a million people that have recovered. Many people are doing very well. There may be some individuals who will have some long-term effects because the -- it depends on how severe the virus was.
GUPTA (on camera): How are you doing? What does recovery mean for you?
HERBERT: When I first got out of the hospital, I was -- I was very weak. And I had been told by the doctors, the pulmonologists in particular, that my lungs would probably take four to eight weeks to heal.
GUPTA: Was that a concern that you might have long-term impacts on your lungs?
HERBERT: I can tell they're not 100 percent right now. And I guess I -- I shouldn't expect them to be. They told me it would be a while for them to be all the way back. Again, just like everybody else, I think there's a lot of unknown here.
GUPTA (voice over): There are still a lot of unknowns. And even studying recovery of coronavirus patients seemed like a luxury in the early days of this pandemic.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Today is pretty intense.
GUPTA: But now Dr. Reynold Ranettieri is trying to decipher these unknowns by conducting a six-month study of coronavirus patients who have recovered.
DR. REYNOLD PANETTIERI, RUTGERS INSTITUTE FOR TRANSLATIONAL MEDICINE AND SCIENCE: There's several, several cases and participants who describe this ongoing fatigue and malaise, a feeling of not well. What is curious is these patients, premorbid or prior to the infection, were even aggressive athletes. We would not have predicted that.
GUPTA: One thing that could help predict long-term effects is looking at what happened during other coronavirus outbreaks.
Take a look at this. Those are fibrous stripes on the lungs. It almost looks like spattered paint. These could be an early sign of pulmonary fibrosis. That's a type of scarring of the lungs. Previous studies of coronaviruses, like SARS and MERS, have identified patients who had long lasting fibrosis, and now we are seeing reports of Covid-19 patients with these same fibrous stripes on their CT scans.
It's another example of what we're still learning from infection, to recovery. We're still not sure exactly how this virus will truly affect us long-term.
GUPTA (on camera): It's six weeks since you were, quote, you know, off the breathing machine and in the process of recovery. How are you doing six weeks later? HERBERT: I'm doing so much better. When I finally got to see them
again, eventually, once I was taken off the ventilator, it was like the best thing that ever happened to me.
And Dr. Sanjay Gupta is with us now.
Sanjay, so how worried should people be who have recovered from coronavirus about having these long-term effects?
GUPTA: Well, you know, first of all, I think it's important to remind people that the vast majority of people, even if they're exposed to this, are not going to get that sick. They're not going to have much in the way of symptoms, if they have any symptoms at all. There may be a significant percentage of people who have already been exposed who haven't had symptoms. And I think people who have the longer term impact, you know, it still seems to be in the 15 to 20 percent range. You know, as I mentioned in the piece, we now -- just now have the luxury of really being able to look at recovery and understanding over the last four or five months how those patients are doing. But the vast majority of people, even Michael Herbert, who saw there, it took him a long time, but eventually he said he's feeling pretty good. It just takes a lot longer than I think people realize. I mean you say recovered and feel like you're 100 percent back to normal. With this virus, we're seeing that that's usually not the -- that's often not the case. It takes a little bit longer, even if you do finally get there.
CAMEROTA: Sanjay, does the health of the person before they get coronavirus, meaning if they have any underlying conditions, does that affect the speed of their recovery?
GUPTA: Yes, it does. A really important question. And this came out of Dr. Panettieri's work as well. And, again, it's early days, but the same things that make you more vulnerable to getting sicker in the first place, advanced age, people in their 60s, 70s, 80s, and people with these pre-existing conditions, including heart disease, diabetes, obesity, in particular, but other ones as well, like kidney disease, seem to make you more predisposed to, first of all, getting more ill, initially, but also to having the longer recovery. So Michael Herbert, who you just met there, 49 years old, did have some underlying conditions, and that may have fed into this.
Again, he felt fine, you know, up until -- almost up until when he needed to go on the breathing machine, but then had that sort of significant decline after that.
BERMAN: Sanjay, thanks so much for being with us. It's such an important reminder that even beyond the deaths, and we're nearly at 92,000, there is an impact of coronavirus on people who have had it. Appreciate it.
GUPTA: You got it. BERMAN: There's so many developments on the pandemic and the economic crisis.
Here's what else to watch today.
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3:00 p.m. ET, White House press briefing.
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BERMAN: Incredible challenges facing young people and college graduates now looking for jobs. This is what they're hearing from some recruiters.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, we don't know if this position's ever even going to reopen again. We appreciate your interest. Best of luck.
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BERMAN: More on what some young people may never recover from economically, next.
BERMAN: It has been a rough go for the class of 2020. They ended their senior year on Zoom, missed out on a traditional graduation and now the challenge of entering a brutal job market and the effects could linger with them for decades.
CNN's Bianna Golodryga joins with now with more on this.
And I know it's tough to hear, Bianna, but this could have a lifetime impact on these college grads.
BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN SENIOR GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: For many years to come, that's absolutely true, John. As if virtual graduations aren't bad enough, now the class of 2020 is going to go down in history for an even more unfortunate reason, some 4 million graduates are entering the worst job market on record. We spoke with two extraordinary graduates who describe how the coronavirus has derailed their plans for the future.
GOLODRYGA (voice over): For newly minted Boston University graduate Shadae Leslie, senior year didn't end quite as expected.
SHADAE LESLIE, BOSTON UNIVERSITY CLASS OF 2020: And I walked down the street and I finished my finals and I was hoping I would, you know, see somebody that I know and say, hey, we did it, like, we're done! And there isn't really much of that experience that's there.
GOLODRYGA: Aside from pomp and circumstance, there's another thing missing from Shadae's life now, a job. When college seniors entered their final year just last fall, the national unemployment rate was at a near record low of 3.7 percent. Today, it's at a jaw-dropping 14.7 percent. The jobless rate for those aged 20 to 24 is even higher, at 25.7 percent. As a result, an exciting job Shadae had planned to take after graduation in real estate has been rescinded.
LESLIE: Unfortunately, when I wake up, it's straight to the e-mail. I have my alerts on for Linked In, various different websites.
CORY SANNING, UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE CLASS OF 2020: Many of the responses I've gotten have been, hey, we don't know if this position's ever even going to reopen again. We appreciate your interest. Best of luck.
GOLODRYGA: Cory Sanning finds himself in a similar position. The University of Tennessee grad has long held aspirations in sports media. Prior to the pandemic, he had many promising job leads. Now, he has none.
GOLODRYGA (on camera): What have the past few months been like for you as you've been rewriting what your future looks like, trying to get job interviews and offers now?
SANNING: Its -- it's definitely been -- life altering I would describe it as.
GOLODRYGA (voice over): If history is any guide, Cory and Shadae are part of a demographic that economists worry could bear the brunt of the coronavirus recession. Graduates entering the labor market during a recession are shown to earn less than those who entered during a healthy economy for at least 10 to 15 years. Those job market challenges are leading some colleges to take matters into their own hands.
DAVID GREENE, PRESIDENT, COLBY COLLEGE: What we're trying to do is identify job opportunities for all 500 of our graduating seniors, and to be able to do that in one of the toughest job markets we've ever seen.
GOLODRYGA: Colby College in Maine is already making good on its promise to get job offers for 100 percent of its graduating seniors.
GREENE: To find a way to say, hey, can we get together and call on our entire network of alums, friends and others to help these students?
GOLODRYGA: No one should bet against the class of 2020. If anything, the current crisis has graduates like Cory and Shadae even more determined. SANNING: I applied to jobs in Cincinnati, Charlotte, Memphis,
Kentucky, Florida. I'm willing to drive as far as Seattle, Washington, to anybody that will hire me because I'm willing to start from the ground up and do whatever they need.
LESLIE: Maybe a potential positive of this, if there can be any positives, is that years from now, decades from now, whenever we all reflect back, we all had this common and shared experience and you'll always be able to say, oh, you're class of 2020, I know what happened.
BERMAN: Look, I would never bet against them, Bianna. They seem to have the pluck and the drive to find a job.
But I remember covering the aftermath of the Great Recession, and these stats stare you in the face and they're brutal. It takes so long to recover, your salary from something like this. And people end up accepting jobs they don't like, they don't want, aren't a good fit for them. So, you know, what advice is there for these college grads?
GOLODRYGA: Well, you're absolutely right. And one reason why economists are so concerned about this graduating class is when you talk about the 2008 financial crisis, millennials turned to many gig jobs, right, and Uber, ride sharing, all of that, and service jobs. You don't see any of that. Those are some of the hardest hit now with this financial crisis. So they're asking people to try new routes. That program that Colby College initiated, some good news there, they found jobs for nearly all of their graduates. And like we said, do not bet against these kids. They are ambitious and they are entrepreneurial. But we should be looking out for them as well. So if anybody has a job to offer Cory or Shadae, give them a call.
BERMAN: That's great advice.
Bianna, terrific report. Great to see you. Thanks for being with us.
GOLODRYGA: Of course.
CAMEROTA: OK, John, it is time for "The Good Stuff."
A teacher in Maine found an ingenious way to address two big concerns during the pandemic, her students' progress and her elderly father in isolation. So, as a voluntary assignment, Nancy Cartier (ph) asked her first graders to write letters to her dad. And they responded in a big way. 92-year-old Vincent Nuchio (ph) received dozens of letters from the kids and he has responded to each one. He says his new found pen pals fill a big void in his life.
That is a great assignment for everyone.
All right, see you tomorrow. CNN's coronavirus coverage continues next.
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