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Trump Demands Governors Reopen Churches; U.K. Announces 14-Day Quarantine for Incoming Travelers; Pakistan Plane Crash; Americans Head into Holiday Weekend amid Fear, Concerns; Calculating the Risk of COVID-19 Contagion; Air Travel during a Pandemic; China Sends Message of Control at Annual Meeting; NFL Stars to Join Tiger, Phil for Charity Golf Match. Aired 1-2a ET
Aired May 23, 2020 - 01:00 ET
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BIANCA NOBILO, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Fears that Memorial Day weekend in the U.S. will cause the virus to spread rapidly, Donald Trump says churches should be considered essential.
Brazil now has the second highest number of coronavirus cases in the world. We'll take you inside the country's densely populated favelas, where social distancing is all but impossible.
And searching for answers in the crash of a passenger jet in Pakistan.
Welcome to our viewers here in the United States and around the world. I'm Bianca Nobilo. CNN NEWSROOM starts right now.
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NOBILO: The patchwork of relaxed rules and restrictions across the U.S. is about to be put to the test as many Americans are expected to venture out on Memorial Day. Every single state has loosened coronavirus restrictions to some degree in time for the holiday weekend.
That includes many reopened beaches throughout the country. Meanwhile, President Donald Trump is demanding places of worship be allowed to reopen right now and a new study finds the unproven drug Mr. Trump often touts is linked to a greater risk of death.
All this comes as Johns Hopkins University recalls more than 1,600,000 infections with deaths approaching 100,000.
Cases also climbing in Latin America, with troubling new increases in Mexico and Brazil. Brazil now has the second highest number of cases in the world behind the U.S.
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DR. MICHAEL RYAN, WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION: South America has become a new epicenter for the disease. We've seen many South American countries with increasing numbers of cases. And clearly, there's a concern.
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NOBILO: And new restrictions here in the United Kingdom for incoming travelers. People arriving to the country will be asked to self- isolate for 14 days from the 8th of June. More on that new study, showing the dangers of hydroxychloroquine, U.S. president Donald Trump has not been just one of the most vocal cheerleaders, he also claims to be taking it himself. We have more from the White House.
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KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A new study shows that an anti-malaria drug championed by President Trump may harm coronavirus patients.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Hydroxychloroquine.
COLLINS: This study is the largest analysis done to date. And it reveals that coronavirus patients who were seriously ill and given chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine were more likely to develop abnormal heart rhythms or even die.
DR. DEBORAH BIRX, WHITE HOUSE CORONAVIRUS RESPONSE COORDINATOR: First, this -- I think the FDA has been very clear on their Web site about their concerns about hydroxychloroquine.
COLLINS: Trump has been taking the drug, in hopes of preventing himself from getting coronavirus, despite a warning from the FDA that it hasn't been proven to be safe or effective at treating the virus or preventing it.
TRUMP: Hydroxychloroquine, try it. If things don't go as planned, it's not going to kill anybody.
COLLINS: Trump didn't address the study today, but he did announce that the CDC will issue new guidance declaring places of worship as essential.
TRUMP: In America, we need more prayer, not less.
COLLINS: Trump says he wants churches and other places reopened immediately and claimed he will overrule governors who push back.
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TRUMP: Some governors have deemed liquor stores and abortion clinics as essential but have left out churches and other houses of worship. It's not right. If they don't do it, I will override the governors.
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COLLINS: The new guidelines encourage religious houses to promote good hygiene like handwashing, wear cloth face coverings, intensify cleanings and encourage social distancing, while minimizing the use of shared worship materials like prayer books or hymnals.
He left questions about his statement to Dr. Deborah Birx and his press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Boy, it's interesting to be in a room that desperately wants to seem to see these churches and houses of worship stay closed.
QUESTION: I object to that. I mean, I go to church. I'm dying to go back to church.
BIRX: Maybe they wait another week.
COLLINS: Today marked Dr. Birx's first appearance in the Briefing Room since late April. Lately, she and other officials like Dr. Fauci have largely disappeared from the airwaves, something Dr. Fauci told CNN will change soon.
DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: We have been talking with the communications people and they realize we need to get some of this information out.
COLLINS: has most traditional Memorial Day activities have been postponed or altered, Dr. Birx encouraged Americans to maintain distance, but spend time outside this weekend.
BIRX: You can play golf. You can play tennis with marked balls. You can go to the beaches.
COLLINS: The president ordered flags to be lowered to half-staff in honor of those who have lost their lives from the virus.
Now the White House hasn't clarified which authority it is that the president is citing when he says he can overrule these governors when it comes to opening up these houses of worship.
But we should note that the governor of New Hampshire was asked about the president's comments. He said, no, it's the governors who will make those decisions about when those places can reopen -- Kaitlan Collins, CNN, the White House.
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NOBILO: Monday is Memorial Day in the United States to honor American military men and women who died serving the country. The long weekend is also the unofficial start of summer. And this year, it will be a major test for the nation with the most reported coronavirus cases and deaths. CNN's Kyung Lah reports.
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MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO (D-NY), NEW YORK CITY: Well, we're about to start a very important weekend.
KYUNG LAH, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The first summer holiday weekend, a major test of America versus the virus as millions head outside.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is nice to have the option to at least come to the beach and just have some fun with friends for once. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it will be very busy and I'm confident
that people are going to want to do this in a safe manner because if things don't work we may go back to a lockdown situation and I don't think anybody wants that.
LAH: Beaches up and down the East Coast will be open with enforced social distancing.
RON WILLIAMS, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, VIRGINIA BEACH: If we don't get voluntarily compliance to a beach ambassador, then they will ask for law enforcement to come and actually enforce the governor's executive orders for the distancing.
LAH: But different rules depending on where you are.
MAYOR DERRICK HENRY (D-FL), DAYTONA BEACH: I don't think it is realistic or practical to ask people to go to the beach and wear a mask.
LAH: While America dives ahead, data shows this week more states are heading in the wrong direction. In the weekly average of new cases, nine states, here in green, are down. And 24 states are steady. And 17 states, in red and orange, are up. And 25,000 new cases in the U.S. added just yesterday.
Among the steepest climbs, Arkansas. The state saw a 65 percent increase in the rate of new cases compared to a week ago. The state still opening water parks and pools today with restrictions.
And in nearby Alabama, crowds packed beaches today, despite warnings that more cases would stress an already stretched Montgomery hospital system where ICU beds run short.
DR. JEANNE MARRAZZO, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES, SCHOOL OF MEDICINE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA, BIRMINGHAM: I'm quite worried with the Memorial Day weekend coming and the restrictions loosening that this is going to go like a prairie fire. It's been smoldering. We've had a lid on it. But now it really has the potential to get out of control.
LAH: Dr. Deborah Birx says the White House Coronavirus Task Force is still trying to understand why some cities continue to see spikes, despite social distancing orders.
BIRX: Even though Washington has remains closed, L.A. has remain closed, Chicago has remain closed, we still see these ongoing cases.
LAH (voice-over): Kyung Lah, CNN, Los Angeles.
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NOBILO: Dr. Armand Dorian, the chief medical officer at USC Verdugo Hills Hospital, is joining us now.
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NOBILO: Dr. Dorian, the president said today he would designate places of worship, synagogues, churches, mosques as essential services.
How easy or difficult do you think it is going to be enforce social distancing and keep worshippers safe?
DR. ARMAND DORIAN, USC VERDUGO HILLS HOSPITAL: Actually, enforcing it is going to be very difficult. You're hoping that everybody who actually attends has by now understood the principles of being able to leave the home and get into society and that includes a place of worship.
You have to do the three principles, have to keep your distance, social distancing, six feet. And wash your hands, continuously, constantly at least five to 10 times a day and finally you have to have a mask on.
If you don't do those three things, then the actual act of going to a place of worship will be an act that you're actually going to harm others.
NOBILO: And the CDC has released guidelines, hasn't it, about how people should act and what needs to happen in places of worship, in order to keep people safe.
What can you tell us about those?
DORIAN: Well, the key thing is going to be the number of people that can be in an enclosed space. The principles are the same whether it is a place of worship or even if it is a restaurant.
If you don't have six feet of distance, what ends up happening is the droplets that come out from your own breath then jeopardize those near you. So that is why you have to have a mask. You have to have the distance.
And then you have to understand that, places of worship, there's a lot of touching that happens. So the way they have to enforce it, they actually have to rely on everybody to not incriminate or impinge on other people's space.
But having said, that when you think of a place of worship, usually it's communal, people come together and there is a lot of touching so those acts have to be altered and we can't actually do those the way they normally do.
NOBILO: And Dr. Dorian, there has been a new study, the data of which is being released, about hydroxychloroquine and the effect of chloroquine on the coronavirus sufferers, now the president has been an advocate of this.
What does the latest study tell us?
Does it give any cause for hope?
Or is it just deeply concerning for patients?
DORIAN: Hydroxychloroquine, the data will go up and down and up and down. And we have to be prepared for that, because this is something, look, first of all, we know hydroxychloroquine and its side effects for years. We've been using it for decades for malaria.
The use and whether it is an official for coronavirus is still up in the air. More data is coming that is showing that it really has no significant benefit. Then you have to think about the potential side effects. And that's what is concerning.
And when you make a blanket statement and say everybody should take a medication, there is a percent risk. If the percent risk is 2 percent, that's about the same risk of the virus itself. So we have to put things in perspective and understand that we need data before we speak.
NOBILO: And Doctor, how much data or how many studies would you require, as a doctor, as a scientist, in order to discount the use of hydroxychloroquine for people suffering from coronavirus?
How many different ups and downs of debate is it going to take to rule out completely?
DORIAN: That's a great question. What ends up happening is you need a significant number, they call it a number N, of people who actually have tried the medications and we've done it in a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, where bias does not interfere.
If I really want something to work, unfortunately, and I'm doing the study, it is most likely going to work in the way I analyze the data. So, it is not really the number of studies, it is the power of the study. And that's the number of people that have actually been tested.
And again, it's the way in which you do the test. If I give people medication, that are going to get better, I won't know if the medication made them better or they were going to get better anyway.
So the hope and the correlation of my giving the medication, it creates this false sense of, oh, it was the medicine that helps, not just the fact that they are going to get better anyway.
NOBILO: If we move to the U.K. where I am now, the home secretary said today that any travelers coming into the United Kingdom from June the 8th will have to self quarantine for 14 days. I'm curious to know your thoughts.
Is there any scientific basis for doing this on June the 8th and not prior to the peak of the outbreak in the United Kingdom?
DORIAN: As far as when you're doing it, that's a little bit up in the air. But the science behind the 14 days is basically this: we're dealing with a virus that has, we just published, the CDC just released, about 30 percent of the people who are infected are asymptomatic.
So you will have people who will pass the screener with a temperature, pass the screener with symptoms and be able to travel feeling well and not be able to be detected and showing up to the U.K., without anybody knowing that they're ill.
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DORIAN: So, what would need to happen is risk mitigate.
And how do you risk mitigate, is you want to buy some time, to see if those people would actually display some symptoms because that's how you put out the little brush fires.
The way to put out the brush fire and when we do contact tracing, it is all about identifying and then quickly eliminating that brush fire and not allowing it to become a bigger problem.
And that was one of the biggest problems we started off with, we weren't able to stop the spread. That is a key factor in stopping the spread. So the 14 days is really not a magical number. But just knowing the illness and when it progresses and when it becomes symptomatic. That's why they put the 14-day number there.
NOBILO: Thank you very much.
DORIAN: Thank you.
NOBILO: Latin America is emerging as an epicenter of the disease. As the virus ravages certain areas. Mexico reported 479 deaths on Friday. That's its highest single death count since the pandemic began.
In Peru, the nationwide lockdown is being extended through June 30th. It comes as the country surpasses 111,000 confirmed cases. Now Brazil has the second highest number of COVID-19 cases in the world. Johns Hopkins University reports that it has more than 330,000 confirmed infections and more than 21,000 people have died.
The virus is spreading like wildfire in some of Brazil's poorest communities. Cramped spaces, minimal access to sanitizer or soap have turned its slums into a virus breeding ground. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh takes us inside one favela in Sao Paulo.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL SECURITY EDITOR (voice- over): Brazil has always had the haves and the have-nots but in Sao Paulo, coronavirus has the poor of its favelas going it more than ever alone.
We follow emergency workers through the dense streets that fuel the fire they're fighting. This is the place people don't want to live in. Yet poverty means it's packed all the same.
(on camera): It's in these densely packed alleyways you can tell the real risk of a high infection rate. (voice-over): In these tiny rooms, a sickness means kids must look on at those who would care for them.
Renata says she tests only when her patient has three symptoms. And even those tests are paid for by private donations. Mostly, the test is done, she tells me, when the person is already in an advanced stage of the disease. Cases can be tough.
One obese woman needed eight people to carry her to an ambulance and a man with Alzheimer's, well, we had to ask the family if we could physically remove him from his home. It's hard.
Up above is Maria, 53, who caught the virus, despite being masked up in the market, she says, so she's distancing from up high. Even yesterday, the owner of the pharmacy died, she tells me. Many are losing their lives due to someone's carelessness. Renata is part of a wide operation, medicine but masks here too,
teaching people how to make them and giving them machines to do it and also food, 10,000 meals a day, sent out in small numbers into the community, because lockdown means they can't put food on their own tables.
This is a community, in some ways already isolated economically, saving itself. They have a place where the sick are sent to isolate in, a former school. We can't film patients inside. Everything here is done at a distance and says that the worst is yet to come.
(on camera): It's pretty likely these beds will, sadly, soon be full, a school given over to this purpose by the government, but an operation here funded by private donations.
(voice-over): The bigger test here, how this amazing spirit of community holds up when the peak makes these streets seem even deadlier -- Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Sao Paulo.
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NOBILO: Still ahead on CNN NEWSROOM, tragedy in Pakistan. A plane carrying many home for religious celebrations crashes into a crowded neighborhood. The latest on that, next.
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NOBILO: Scenes of utter grief in Pakistan after a passenger plane crashed in a residential neighborhood in Karachi. Local health department officials say everyone on board the plane is now accounted for; 97 bodies have been recovered. There were two survivors.
Investigators are searching for answers in the rubble. CNN's Nic Robertson shows us.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR (voice-over): Amidst the carnage, survivors. This man's escape from the inferno engulfing the plane behind him, near miraculous.
The force of its impact shattering buildings in a densely packed low- rise residential neighborhood not far from Karachi airport. Twisted metal rebar hanging from the houses. Mangled plane parts strewn in the streets.
It would have likely been busy when the plane came down early afternoon. Firemen scrambled up mounds of rubble to douse fires as medics tried to help the wounded in the road, not sure in the initial chaos who was passenger and who was unlucky bystander.
The Pakistan International Airlines flight PK-8303 was on a rare internal flight from Lahore to Karachi, an exception from the COVID-19 lockdown bringing families home for the Eid holiday; 99 people, including eight crew on board, according to the airline.
It should have landed safely, an hour 45 after takeoff. The first indications all not well, as the plane came in to land. This, the pilot talking to Karachi airport control tower.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (from captions): We are proceeding direct, sir. We have lost engines.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Confirm, you are (INAUDIBLE)?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Available to land (INAUDIBLE) 2-5?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roger. Mayday, mayday, mayday, mayday PK8303.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) both available to land.
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ROBERTSON (voice-over): The airline's CEO appearing to confirm that this was the last time the pilot was heard.
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ARSHAD MALIK, PAKISTAN INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES (through translator): It is a very sad incident. And I'm going to Karachi. The last voice we heard of the captain was we have a technical problem. He said this on final approach.
He was told we are ready for landing, both strips are free and you can land. But the pilot decided to go around.
What was the reason?
What was the technical issue?
We will investigate.
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ROBERTSON (voice-over): Local hospitals report receiving both dead and injured, raising the possibility of more survivors from on board the aircraft as well as the buildings it hit.
According to a government spokesman, at least two survivors, including a bank CEO said to have been sitting in the front row. It may be days before the full toll is known -- Nic Robertson, CNN, London.
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NOBILO: CNN producer Sophia Saifi joins me live from Islamabad, Pakistan.
We were just listening to Nic's piece there, outlining the last interaction the pilot had with ground control when they talked about engine, presumably that is where the investigation into this tragedy begins.
SOPHIA SAIFI, CNN PRODUCER: Well, Bianca, the CEO of the airlines held a much criticized press conference late last night, in which he claimed that the plane, the A320 that crashed yesterday, was in perfect condition, that it had all of its safety certifications in place.
He just kept expressing confidence in the safety protocol and the safety procedures that they have been undertaking over the past couple of years under his leadership.
Now what comes out of this investigation is only going to come after an inquiry begins. A committee has been formed. The inquiry, however, has not yet begun. It is going to start under the directive of the prime minister. So, we're waiting on that.
He did insist that there were technical issues. He did not mention anything much about the engines. But he did say, like Nic mentioned earlier, that there was a technical issue that caused the plane to crash.
NOBILO: Thank you, Sophia, in Islamabad.
We will continue to follow the story for you.
Some experts are giving the go ahead to get out and safely enjoy the sun. But there is a risk for that reward. What you need to know before you venture out.
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NOBILO: Welcome back to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Bianca Nobilo and you're watching CNN NEWSROOM. Let's recap some of the latest developments in the fight against coronavirus.
Brazil has overtaken Russia's total number of known infections with more than 330,000 reported cases. It now has the second highest amount after the United States.
It's Memorial Day weekend in the U.S. and there are worries about how an increase in activity during the holiday could impact infections. One of the nation's top health officials says there are plenty of ways for Americans to celebrate safely.
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DR. DEBORAH BIRX, WHITE HOUSE CORONAVIRUS RESPONSE COORDINATOR: You can go out. You can be outside. You can play golf. You can play tennis with marked balls. You can go to the beaches, if you stay six feet apart.
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NOBILO: It may be encouraging to hear experts give the go ahead to ease back into outdoor routines.
But the question is, with the virus still spreading, just how much are you willing to risk for that reward?
This report from CNN's Sara Sidner might help you decide.
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SARA SIDNER, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Sun, fun and coronavirus, how safe are we as summer pastimes beckon?
Even in the great outdoors, epidemiologists warn nothing is without risk.
ANNE RIMOIN, EPIDEMIOLOGY PROFESSOR, UCLA FIELDING SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH: Everything that we do has risks attached to it.
SIDNER: This month, a report published by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences said that when it comes to COVID-19 speech droplets by asymptomatic carriers are increasingly considered to be the likely mode of disease transmission.
RIMOIN: It does appear to be a big driver of spread of disease and we are still learning every day. SIDNER: Anne Rimoin is a virus hunter, a renowned UCLA epidemiologist who has spent decades researching in Congo trying to suss out the next virus and how it's transmitted.
So far, this is what experts help stop coronavirus transmission.
RIMOIN: Everybody should be staying as far apart as they can and wearing masks which will reduce the spread of droplets.
SIDNER: But is six feet enough? A new computer model suggests it may not be.
An engineering professor study of a computer model published in the journal "Physics of Fluids" shows a light breeze could carry some droplets as far as 18 feet.
RIMOIN: Any data is important to consider. Literally, gathering data in real-time to understand what we're doing today and tomorrow.
SIDNER: It still isn't known how infectious those droplets could be if the virus is present.
PETER CHIN-HONG, UCSF INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST: You know, absolute risks of getting it, like wind and, you know, outdoors, is very, very small.
SIDNER: The computer model has not been scientifically tested in real life scenarios. What has been lab-tested, how far droplets can disperse indoors. Think of summer vacation, airports, shopping malls, restaurants.
This is the National Institutes of Health experiment. Normal breathing without a mask under highly sensitive laser light shows no droplets light up.
But when you speak, droplets light up like a Christmas tree.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ironically, one of the phrases that produces a large number of droplets is --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay healthy.
SIDNER: And a cough indoors, scientists at Florida Atlantic University showed without a mask, droplets can spread 12 feet. With a simple mask, the droplets still spread but far less.
Unfortunately, for summer sports fans, enthusiastic cheering can also spew droplets farther. The virus may move from one fan to another.
CHIN-HONG: It loves the noses and mouths. It's like a five-star hotel for the virus.
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SIDNER: The cheering and high-fives may defeat the effort to control the virus which explains the idea for playing in empty stadiums. CHIN-HONG: A stadium is like an adult preschool. Sure, there are a lot of secretions and slobbering depending on what you buy in concession stands. People lose inhibitions, that's part of the joy of going to the stadium.
SIDNER: But not all is lost. Dip in pool is still cool. According to CDC, there is no evidence the virus can spread through pool water. But self-distancing is still key.
RIMOIN: We're going to be coexisting with this virus for a long time. Maybe forever.
SIDNER: There is no doubt that we're all tired of being cooped up but epidemiologists worry that, this Memorial Day, there could be a spike in the spread of coronavirus, if people aren't careful.
Here outside the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, what you're seeing right now, it is not that many people, so you don't necessarily have to wear a mask, as long as you can self-distance more than six feet. If you can't, wearing a mask is key and this will keep you safe and keep your family safe -- Sara Sidner, CNN, Pasadena, California.
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NOBILO: The U.K. planning to enforce new quarantine rules starting June 8th and they have already come under fire. The rules will require more travelers including British citizens to self-isolate for two weeks upon arrival. But there are exceptions, as Max Foster explains.
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MAX FOSTER, CNN LONDON CORRESPONDENT: The British government hasn't fully explained why these quarantine rules for all incoming passengers are being enforced now, apart from to say that people weren't traveling earlier in the crisis.
They will come into effect on the 8th of June. People, travelers will be expected to quarantine for 14 days. But they need to tell the government where they are. And it will be policed by fines and by on the spot checks and if people haven't got accommodations, that will be found for them, by the government but at a cost.
Farm workers, some medics and also lorry drivers will be exempt as will those coming from Ireland, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. And air bridges, countries with low infection rates, are not considered just yet but the rules are being reviewed every three weeks, we're told, by the government.
The home secretary says we are not shutting down completely. We are not closing our borders. But she also reiterated the guidance that Britain should only be traveling for essential purposes and that now isn't the time to book holidays.
So the end of the woes for the travel industry aren't yet in sight, at least for the foreseeable future -- Max Foster, CNN, outside London.
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NOBILO: Potential quarantine isn't the only thing travelers have to keep in mind. In the middle of this pandemic. There's a whole list of things that they have to look out for now before even boarding the plane. Dr. Sanjay Gupta shows us.
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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Things are going feel a lot different the next time you go to the airport. First of all, it will be less crowded, that's for sure.
Certain precautions are in place, like Plexiglas at the counters, telling people to keep their distance when they're in line. Most people already do this. But don't forget to put your boarding pass on your phone ahead of time, less surfaces to touch.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me see your I.D. card, please.
GUPTA: Try and count how many surfaces you touch throughout the whole process.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need everything out of your pockets, please.
GUPTA: One thing I do want to show you is how I pack nowadays. I've got my hand sanitizer. So this is when I do a little hand sanitizer, constantly washed the hands.
One of the big concerns is always going to be those sorts of train rides. Right now, things aren't that crowded. But as airports start to pick up, you may want to allow extra time so that you can walk to the concourse instead of ride.
Everyone is going to decide whether or not it makes sense to fly. It's the sort of risk-reward proposition. One thing I'll tell you is that separating yourselves out, obviously important. That's the distance. But think about the duration.
Shorter flights are obviously going to be better. Also, they say that the plane has been sterilized before we actually get on using this electrostatic sterilization process.
Now when you get to your row, a couple of things to keep in mine. First, try to touch as few surfaces as possible. When I sit down, I am actually going to try to choose a window seat. The reason being, that I will just have less contact with people who are walking by the aisle.
I will go ahead and turn on what's called the gasper here. Turn it up as high as you can. That causes turbulent air flow in front of you and possibly break up any clouds of virus.
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GUPTA: These are small things, they may make a small difference. But it is easy to do and it's probably worth it. I should mention that most airlines, including Delta, the airline I was on there, are going to mandate masks once you're on the plane even if they're not mandated in the boarding area or on the concourse.
A lot of times, they may give you a mask in the boarding area or on the plane, so that you wear that. They are going to mandate that.
And also keep in mind, your destination, what is the status of the virus there?
You know probably what it's like in the area from where you're flying but if you fly to Norway, for example, there is a 14-day quarantine when you land. And also two U.S. States, Hawaii and Massachusetts, when you land there, 14-day quarantine.
So if that is not part of your travel plans, you are going to need to think about these things ahead of time. It is a different way of flying for the time being. And again, I think, for most people, it's really just about essential travel for now. And we'll see how things change over the summer.
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NOBILO: China's ambassador to the U.N. took aim at U.S. officials, who are condemning Beijing's hugely controversial security proposal for Hong Kong. We'll put all of this in perspective coming up next.
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NOBILO: U.S. secretary of state Mike Pompeo is now condemning China's national security proposal for Hong Kong.
His statement reads, quote, "The decision to bypass Hong Kong's well- established legislative processes and ignore the will of the people of Hong Kong would be a death knell for the high degree of autonomy Beijing promised for Hong Kong.
"The U.S. strongly urges Beijing to reconsider its disastrous proposal, abide by its international obligations and respect Hong Kong's high degree of autonomy, democratic institutions and civil liberties."
China's ambassador to the United Nations fired back.
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NOBILO: The message on his official Twitter account says, "The U.S.' attempt to interfere in Hong Kong's affairs is doomed to fail."
Joining me live is Joseph Cheng, a former political science professor at City University from Hong Kong.
Very good to have you on the program, sir. Thanks for joining us.
JOSEPH CHENG, FORMER POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR: Thank you.
NOBILO: My first question is, if you could break down this new security legislation and what will it mean tangibly for the people of Hong Kong if implemented?
CHENG: On the surface, it's aimed against terrorism, collusion with foreign countries, subversion and secession (ph). But the interpretation may be very, very vague.
Protesters and the pro-democracy movement are very worried that, say, if you wait, American threat (ph) in a protest rally, will it be considered collusion with Western countries?
And certainly, lobbying with foreign governments, lobbying in the United States, will be a principal target. The detailed legislation has not been announced but there is a lot of worry on the part of ordinary people and especially the pro-democracy movement.
NOBILO: And why now?
We've been watching protests unfold in Hong Kong and violent suppression of them over this last year.
Why do you think this decision is being taken at the present moment?
CHENG: The legislative council of elections is coming up in September and there is a little chance that the pro-democracy movement may secure a majority. But basically, the Chinese authorities' decision, in response to the political turmoil, last year, has been one of no contact, no dialogue and no concessions to be made to the pro- democracy movement.
Hence, a crackdown is the logical outcome. It is probable that, in the context of a deteriorating domestic and international environment, the Chinese authorities typically adopt a hard line and appeal to nationalism and patriotism.
And they would like to send a signal to the international community that they do not care about national condemnations and sanctions.
NOBILO: And Professor Cheng, as somebody who closely observes relations between China and Hong Kong, where do you put this on a trajectory to the end of Hong Kong, which we've seen some fairly hyperbolic headlines over the last 24 hours, talking about that?
And do you think that this new law is just one more step towards jeopardizing Hong Kong as a democratic enclave in the region?
CHENG: The signal is very strong. Most Hong Kong people and certainly the pro-democracy movement, have interpreted this act as an end of "One Country, Two Systems."
It means direct intervention in Hong Kong, bypassing the legislature, ignoring the views of Hong Kong people and simply ignoring all checks and balances mechanisms in Hong Kong.
I believe that the Chinese authorities are worried about the demonstration effect of Hong Kong on Taiwan, (INAUDIBLE) and Tibet and potentially, on the people in China, who may have grievances in times of economic difficulties.
NOBILO: Joseph Cheng, former professor from the University of Hong Kong, thank you very much for joining us and giving us your insight. Appreciate it.
CHENG: Thank you.
NOBILO: Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, what do all of these legends have in common?
All four will be teaming up for a $10 million prize, details coming up next.
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NOBILO: Four legends of their games will tee off in Florida on Sunday. Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson with team up with NFL greats Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. The Match, as it's called, will raise $10 million for charities helping to fight coronavirus.
Our Patrick Snell looks ahead to the event which is produced by telesports (ph), which means you can watch it here on CNN International and TNT.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you know --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I know.
PHIL MICKELSON, PGA PRO: This is the trophy for the match. I don't know, actually, Tiger, if you know what this looks like. You might have caught a glimpse.
TIGER WOODS, PGA PRO: Hold on a second. I just got out of an ice bath. I'm a little bit chilly.
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PATRICK SNELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Yes, the banter is most definitely, already, in full swing. The original match, in late 2018, saw longtime rivals Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods go head to head. And just in case the current Masters champion, Tiger, needed
reminding, it was Lefty who tramped on that occasion. Golf's PGA tour is set to resume next month. But this weekend, it's all eyes on Florida's Medalist Golf Club, Tiger's home course, for the record.
NFL superstars Tom Brady, who will team up with Mickelson, and Peyton Manning, another of the sport's legendary quarterbacks, playing with Woods in The Match Champions for Charity, helping those impacted by the worldwide coronavirus pandemic.
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PEYTON MANNING, 2X SUPER BOWL CHAMPION: A lots of people struggling. I mentioned New Orleans, my hometown, is once again being hit hard by this virus as are many communities around the country.
So you know, I don't think this event would happen if it wasn't going to benefit those people that are hurting and so I think that's why it's a double win.
TOM BRADY, 6X SUPER BOWL CHAMPION: Just a unique moment in time and I think the ability to do good and help others is at the core of what this was all about.
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SNELL: Manning was an intense rival of Brady's during a storied career with the Colts and the Broncos before retirement. Brady himself left the New England Patriots after 20 seasons to join the Buccaneers.
MANNING: I'll be honest. I've never played Tom very well on his home turf. And so maybe this is considered a neutral site. I would have loved to have had this tournament in a place where they don't like Tom very much, Indianapolis, Denver, Boston, after he just betrayed them and broke their hearts.
BRADY: I think we're going to have a lot of fun. There's been a little trash talk. You know, as you've seen a little behind the scenes, I'm sure there will be a lot more of that.
MICKELSON: We might even let them win a hole or two and get up early and try to lull them to sleep and then finish strong.
SNELL: And a historic weekend for our parent company, Warner Media, as well, with CNN broadcasting a live sports event for the first time ever. This illustrious sporting quartet may well have 20 golf majors and eight Super Bowl championships between them.
But they are so focused down in Florida, it's going to help play their part in raising a minimum of $10 million, all in aid of COVID-19 relief -- back to you.
(END VIDEOTAPE) NOBILO: So as Patrick was saying, don't miss the match. That's airing right here, on Sunday, for our viewers around the world. And if you're watching in the U.S., you can catch it on TNT. That's 3:00 pm in New York, 8:00 pm in London.
Thank you for watching CNN NEWSROOM. Stay right here. The news continues, after a very quick break.
