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CNN Polling Uncovers Major Racial Divisions In U.K.; Libyan National Arrested For Terror Incident In U.K.; Beijing's Outbreak Complicates China's Economic Recovery; Trump's Low Turnout Rally Being Defended by Supporters; White House Calls it Tongue in Cheek on Slowing Down Testing; White House Preparing for Coronavirus Second Wave; Bolton's Tell-All to be Published on Tuesday; China Reveals Blueprint for Hong Kong's Security Law; A Latino Teen Killed by Police in Compton, California; Atlanta District Attorney Criticized on Rayshard Brooks' Case; Racism and Being Black in the United Kingdom. Aired 2-3a ET

Aired June 22, 2020 - 02:00   ET




ANNA COREN, CNN HOST: Hello and welcome to our viewers in the United States and all around the world, I'm Anna Coren live in Hong Kong.

U.S. President Donald Trump and his staff have spent the past day doing damage control after the president's campaign rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma failed to meet expectations. They had anticipated a much larger crowd, but the Tulsa fire marshal says only about 6,000 people showed up.

Campaign officials dispute that, claiming the real number was almost twice as high. Still, much lower than the location seating capacity of 19,000.

A source tells CNN the president is very upset about the turnout. His campaign staff says supporters were likely scared off by the media and protesters outside the event. They deny the rally was impacted by "online trolls" on the app TikTok.

Well, before the event, TikTok users had encourage people to register for the rally and not show up.


MERCEDES SCHLAPP, TRUMP CAMPAIGN ADVISER: They were concerned. There were factors involved like they were concerned about the protesters who were coming in. There were protesters who blocked the bags (ph), and we saw that have an impact in terms of people coming to the rally.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS HOST: Protesters did not stop people from coming to that rally. The fact is --

SCHLAPP: Oh, absolutely, they did. WALLACE: -- people didn't show up.

SCHLAPP: I'm telling you there were people -- I'm telling you, there were people and families that didn't want to - couldn't bring their children because of concerns of the protesters.


COREN: In the days ahead, the president will be holding another event in Arizona, one of several states, with a number of coronavirus infections is rising. Well, speaking on CNN, the mayor of Phoenix urged caution.


KATE GALLEGO, MAYOR OF PHOENIX, ARIZONA: What I'm very concerned about is we are actually seeing the fastest rate of growth among our young people in the community, and here it is, a rally, specifically focused on that demographic.

I would ask the president to talk to his advisory council, the coronavirus advisory team, about whether it makes sense to come to a community that has seen a third of our COVID-19 cases in the last week.


COREN: The president's advisers are now in spin mode, walking back or excusing comments that he made during the rally in Oklahoma. (Inaudible) Mr. Trump told the crowd that in order to see fewer new coronavirus cases in the U.S., he asked his "people to slow down the testing." Well, Kristen Holmes tells us what the president's team has to say about that.

KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: As the country near is that 120,000 deaths from coronavirus, President Trump's administration spent Sunday defending his remarks when the president said on Saturday night that he asked his people to slow down testing so that there wouldn't be more cases.

Now, on Saturday, a senior administration official told CNN that the president was "obviously kidding." And on Sunday, Peter Navarro, the White House trade adviser, doubled down on this idea that it was all a joke. Take a listen.


PETER NAVARRO, WHITE HOUSE TRADE ADVISER: That was tongue in cheek, please.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: I don't know that it was - I don't know that it was tongue in cheek at all.

NAVARRO: I know what tongue in cheek.

TAPPER: He has said similar things for months. NAVARRO: That's news for your, tongue in cheek.

TAPPER: He has said similar things for months.

NAVARRO: But (inaudible), we got --

TAPPER: But he has said similar things for months that - go ahead.

NAVARRO: We've got over 30 million people unemployed and we've seen over 100,000 people die because of the China Wuhan virus. Let's talk about some serious issues, Jake. I don't want to go there. I think there are some really important things. I break a little news for you if you want.

TAPPER: I think testing is - I think testing is a very serious issue. I'm not the one making jokes about it.

NAVARRO: I work on it everyday.

TAPPER: You're the ones that said the president being --

NAVARRO: Yes, I thought it was a light moment.


HOLMES: Now, whether or not it was a joke, we will point out to our viewers that this is not the first time that White House officials have used this defense when President Trump has said something that is extremely controversial.

But, on top of that, this is getting a lot of backlash, particularly from President Trump's advisers who have said this was the case since the very beginning.

Now, President Trump cared more about his appearance, which would mean less cases, than he did about the American health, which would mean more tests, which could possibly lead to more cases, but of course, catching the disease before it was fatal.

So, it's no surprise that we're already hearing that Democrats, that Joe Biden's campaign are really latching on to this, that they're putting this out there. They want this on the airwaves to be part of their narrative as they head towards November. Kristen Holmes, CNN, the White House.

COREN: While meantime, Peter Navarro says that the White House is preparing for the possibility of a second wave of the coronavirus in the next few months. It should be noted, medical and scientific experts say the U.S. is not out of the first wave of the virus and cases are rising in nearly half the country.



NAVARRO: We are filling the stockpile in anticipation of a possible problem in the fall. We are doing everything we can beneath the surface, working as hard as we possibly can.


COREN: New York City was once the epicenter of the pandemic in the U.S. Now, it's entering phase two of reopening. Employees will head back to in-store retail, hair salons, barbershops, and offices on Monday.

Well, Dr. Ron Daniels is a National Health Service intensive care physician in Brimingham, England and he joins us now. Doctor, despite what President Trump has been saying about the virus fading away, U.S. health officials are saying the complete opposite.

Cases are up 15 percent in the past two weeks, infections are on the rise in 23 states. What does it say about the current state of the pandemic?

RON DANIELS, NHS INTENSIVE CARE DOCTOR: Well, of course this suggests that America is still in the grip of the first wave. It suggests, to me, that in some certain cities and certain states, for example you mentioned New York, that we may have reached a peak.

A large proportion of the population may have been exposed, but certainly, the lockdown measures have reduced transmission. And the virus is just starting to emerge and wield its ugly sword in some states that have previously not been so heavy hit.

So I think this is not so much a second wave from my understanding. This is more around the first wave spreading slowly to states that have yet to see significant spikes.

COREN: And what about globally because the WHO says it's reported the highest one day increase in total cases, led by Brazil, then the U.S., and then India?

DANIELS: Well, of course, and we know that Brazil is being hit hard. We know that India's being hit hard and that it's spreading their to less populated areas. So, we have big problems when we look at the global data, but I think the thing that can be reassuring, is to look at the countries that were hit hard, that perhaps, were less geographically diverse than North America -- countries such as my country, the U.K., countries such as Italy.

We've seen, since the easing of lockdown, we haven't yet seen that feared second wave. And most experts including, well, dare I say myself, would have expected to have seen a second wave by now if there were to be one during this summer.

COREN: Yes. Well, let's talk about that because as we heard, Peter Navarro talked about a second wave coming. As the experts are saying, as you are saying, the first wave hasn't finished yet. One U.S. health expert, described it as a forest fire, where there is wood to burn the fire will burn it. I mean, how would you describe the virus and what lies ahead in the coming months?

DANIELS: Well, that's an interesting analogy and it is exactly that. It's around the virus spreading and finding opportunity in regions where fewer of the population have been exposed where, perhaps, lockdown restrictions have yet to be put in place.

We heard about Arizona and the problems they're having there with, do we wear face masks or not? This is around legislation. It's around behavior. It's around leadership in terms of doing the right thing at the right time for those states that have yet to be heavily hit.

COREN: Dr. Daniels, let's talk about timeline. The director of the Harvard Global Health Institute warned the virus will be with us "for at least another 12 months" and that's the most optimistic scenario for having a vaccine. Do you agree?

DANIELS: Yes. I mean, I think that probably is optimistic. I suspect that the virus will be here for more than 12 months. I mean, a lot of comparisons have been made between this virus and flu and it's important to note this is a coronavirus, not a flu virus. They do behave differently.

But if it's going to behave in a similar manner to flu, then we could expect to see this virus becoming endemic in our community, surging every now and then. And, we see, even in a country with a population of around 70 million like the U.K.

We see one or 2,000 deaths from flu every single year. So this is more likely to become seasonal. It's more likely to become sporadic and it is certainly likely to be around for at least a year or so.

COREN: Dr. Ron Daniels, great to get you on the show. Thank you for offering your perspective.

Well, in less than 24 hours, the explosive tell-all book by former Trump National Security adviser John Bolton will be released to the public. In the book, Bolton details many of the things that troubled him during his time in the Trump administration.

On Sunday evening, Bolton appeared in an interview with ABC News and explained many of the revelations in the book. CNN's Vivian Salama has more on that.

VIVIAN SALAMA, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: John Bolton has finally spoken out in his first interview since CNN obtained his book last week, telling some of the dynamics and the controversies that he witnessed firsthand when he was President Trump's National Security adviser.


And some of it is elaborating on what we saw in the book in terms of his personal relationships with certain world leaders, in particular, world leaders that John Bolton believed we should treat with skepticism and with a little bit of a distance like Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea's Kim Jong-un.

He said that the president was constantly looking to strike a deal without really any nuance to understanding the problematic history of those countries as well as some of the issues that would come into play in any kind of negotiations.

And so he explained a number of different instances with regard to those talks, and ultimately, he said that the president didn't really read a lot of his briefings. He said, you know, the intelligence briefings should happen on a daily basis, but that wasn't the case and he really felt that the president wasn't reading much of his briefings at all.

In fact, the one thing that he said the president had enormous interest in was the election and he said he just wished that the president showed that kind of interest on national security matters. Here is a look at what he said.


JOHN BOLTON, FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: I think he was so focused on the re-election that longer term considerations fell by the wayside. There was considerable emphasis on the photo opportunity and the press reaction to it, and little or no focus on what such meetings did for the bargaining position of the United States.

MARTHA RADDATZ, ABC NEWS HOST: Are you saying that all decisions the president made were driven by re-election?

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Thank you very much El Paso. Thank you very much.

BOLTON: I didn't see anything where that wasn't the major factor. So, a lot of people have complained that he has a short attention span and he doesn't focus. I want to say when it comes to re-election, his attention span was infinite.


SALAMA: So there you heard John Bolton talking about the president's interest in re-election issues versus national security matters, and he said that he really wished that the president would have taken more of an interest in that, focused on his intelligence briefings with regard to national security matters so that he was better prepared for different issues.

Another issue that he focused on was the family of President Trump in the White House, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, and he said that at one point, the president actually diverted media attention to focus on a Saudi arms deal that he was working on, even though it was in the middle of the murder of a Saudi journalist, Jamal Khashoggi, two years ago.

He said that the president purposely focused the media attention on the Saudi arms deal at that time despite its controversies so that he would divert media attention away from another controversy that was in the news, and that is his daughter's use of her personal e-mails at the White House. Vivian Salama in Washington.

COREN: Well, China has revealed its blueprint for Hong Kong's controversial new national security law. Under the sweeping draft legislation, Beijing would be able to override Hong Kong's prized independent legal system.

For more, let's bring in now out Kristie Lu Stout who joins us here in Hong Kong. Kristie, please give us the details of the blueprint and what it means for Hong Kong's autonomy and the freedoms everyone has always enjoyed.

KRISTIE LOU STOUT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Now, the draft for this looming law is not out, but the blueprint of China's controversial national security law has been revealed over the weekend. And according to Xinhua, it says that the law would allow Hong Kong's top leader, that would be its chief executive, to hand pick which judges will hear national security cases.

The law would also allow Beijing to override Hong Kong's independent legal system. This has prompted deep concern among members of Hong Kong's legal community including the chairman of the Hong Kong Bar Association. Let's bring up some quotes for you.

Now, the chairman of the Hong Kong Bar Association told Reuters this, "This is the biggest shift since the handover." "You can't be slightly independent anymore than you can be slightly pregnant. You're either independent you're not."

Now, this law will curb sedition, secession, foreign interference, and terrorism when it's passed. It will also allow China's Ministry of State Security to establish themselves here in Hong Kong to enforce the law, but there is still a lot we don't know about this legislation.

We don't know the scope and the definitions of the crimes involved here. We also don't know the applicable punishments. We also don't know if this law will be applied retroactively.

Now, this Chinese Central Government Authority is in Beijing as well as the government here in Hong Kong, support this legislation, they say that it's necessary to fill a security loophole. The Chinese officials have said time and time again, that the Hong Kong protests are a direct threat to the nation sovereignty.

We have also heard in an interview last month with CNN, Matthew Cheung, the number two top leader here in Hong Kong telling CNN that he believes this law will bring stability to the territory. That being said, when you talk to pro democracy activists, opposition lawmakers, dissidents, even educators, they will tell you that they are very, very concerned.


They see this law will undermine Hong Kong's autonomy, will undermine its freedoms as well its political and legal institutions. Anna?

COREN: Yes, Kristie, pro-Democracy lawmaker Claudia Mo says that this law can simply mean anything Beijing wants it to mean. I mean, it really is frightening. Any ideas on when it will be implemented?

LU STOUT: Well, it's being discussed by the National Peoples Congress Standing Committee. They just wrapped up a meeting over the weekend where they discussed this draft legislation. As you know, it was in May last month during an annual meeting of the National Peoples Congress when this national security law was floated, and it was approved by the NPC.

It is up to the Standing Committee, though, to pass the actual law. It is understood that the Standing Committee will meet two to three times before it passes. They will meet again at the end of this month. Anna?

COREN: Kristie Lu Stout, as always, great to see you, many thanks.

Well, protesters are demanding justice for Latino teens shot and killed by police in California. Details on a fierce standoff between demonstrators and authorities, ahead.




COREN: The police fired rubber bullets and pepper spray in a confrontation with protesters in Los Angeles County on Sunday. Demonstrators gathered for a peaceful march to demand justice for a Latino teen shot and killed by a Los Angeles Sheriff's deputy on Thursday. Well, CNN's Paul Vercammen reports from the scene in Compton, California.

PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It began as a peaceful demonstration, marchers headed here to Compton City Hall, as well as the L.A. County Sheriff's substation in Compton. And it took a violent turn late in the afternoon. You can see the sheriff's deputies with their weapons.

They did fire rubber bullets and some sort of pepper spray like substance. The demonstrators asking for some sort of explanation as to why 18-year-old Andres Guardado was shot in the back in an officer- involved shooting -- fatal round shot on Thursday.

Relatives saying that he was just working at his job at an auto body shop. The sheriff's deputy saying, among other things, that Guardado was possessing an illegal firearm, a very dangerous firearm, that it serial numbers rubbed off, but as of, yet there has been no explanation as to what prompted the fatal killing of Andres Guardado. And so tensions boiled over here in Compton. I'm Paul Vercammen reporting from Compton, California.

COREN: Well, there are calls for an Atlanta area district attorney to be replaced following the controversial police shooting of Rayshard Brooks. D.A. Paul Howard, a Democrat, charged an Atlanta police officer with 11 crimes in the case, including felony murder. Well, U.S. Congressman Doug Collins, a Republican, claims the charges are politically motivated. All this as Brooks' family prepares to lay his body to rest. CNN's Natasha Chen has more.

NATASHA CHEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Well the family has invited Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms along with the district attorney to attend the funeral of Rayshard Brooks according to Ebenezer Baptist Church. The church also says the family has asked Atlanta police not to be involved with security for the event.

Now, on Sunday, the Atlanta Police Union, along with elected leaders held a press conference supporting the men and women in uniform. They reacted to the serious charges filed by District Attorney Paul Howard against the two officers involved in Brooks' death, including a felony murder charge against former Officer Garrett Rolfe.


JASON SEGURA, ATLANTA POLICE SERGEANT: We are being attacked. These guys are our brothers, and we are being attacked by Paul Howard. We do the job to protect. We expect to be protected by our leaders and they've all failed us, all of them. So, I appreciate you all being here.


CHEN: Meanwhile, an arrest warrant was issued on Saturday for 29- year-old Natalie White for arson in the first degree related to the burning of the Wendy's building one day after Brooks was killed there.

Sources close to the case told my colleague, Ryan Young, that investigators are working with the idea that White may have had a relationship with Rayshard Brooks. Body camera footage from the incident that night shows her name being brought up in conversation between Brooks and the two officers.

The family, however, tells me that they do not know her. A cousin of Rayshard Brooks said that the family has never wanted any violence or burnings in the city that they love, and they cannot and will not associate Rayshard or the family with such actions or with this person. Natasha Chen, CNN, Atlanta.

COREN: As protesters confront institutionalized racism, an exclusive CNN poll finds just how troubling the racial divisions are in the U.K. including what black people think about the attitudes of British police.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE/FEMALE: Silence is violence!


COREN: Black Lives Matter demonstrators took to the streets of London for a fourth weekend in a row. Hundreds of peaceful protesters marched in solidarity towards the Houses of Parliament on Sunday, marking another weekend of anti-racism demonstrations in the U.K. Well, in the midst of the Black Lives Matter movement, exclusive

polling conducted for CNN across England, Scotland and Wales has uncovered how stuck the racial divisions are in what is dis-United Kingdom. Divisions that many say are a legacy of British colonialism.

Monday marks Windrush Day in the U.K., named after the empire Windrush Liner that brought thousands of Caribbean families to Britain in 1948. It was an answer to the British government's call to come and help rebuild a country ravaged by the 2nd World War.

CNN's senior international correspondent Nima Elbagir is at Windrush Square in London's Brixton District, also known as the crucible of black consciousness in the U.K., and has more on our exclusive CNN polling.


PIERS HARRISON-REID, PIERS THE POET: We're not saying our black lives matter more than you. We are saying our black lives matter too.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The arrival of more than 400 happy Jamaicans, they have come to help the motherland along the road to prosperity.

NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Away from the relics of empire and the long abandoned vestiges of colonial grandeur, what does it really mean to be black and British today? This is Piers thePpoet, a spoken word artist, struggling to make sense of it all through poems like this one.

HARRISON-REID: And if we aren't hurt with the knee or with a raised fist, how else can we resist? I think the greatest trick racism ever played was to convincing England it doesn't exist.

ELBAGIR (voice-over): For decades, Britain has been having its own race reckoning. In the past, the spark has been police brutality, social injustice, or income inequality. But underpinning it all, a sense many say that to be black and to be British is to feel unwelcome in your own home. The Black Lives Matter Movement has crossed the Atlantic and awakened uncomfortable conversations.

(on camera): Now, an exclusive CNN/Savanta Res poll this has found how sharply the nation is divided along race lines. Policing, representation, history.

It's clear that to be black in Britain is almost to live in a different country.


NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Five black British friends gained global fame after a picture of them carrying a white man to safety for the middle of the crush of a violent London protest went viral. Hailed as heroes, but the truth is more complicated.

CHRIS OTOKITO, BUSINESSMAN: We, as brothers, as sons, as fathers have that little trust in the police on Saturday that we had to technically go out to do that job for them.

ELBAGIR: Our poll found black people are twice as likely as white people to say they have not been treated with respect by police.

PIERRE NOAH, BUSINESSMAN: Do I feel protected by the police? Not at all.

PATRICK HUTCHINSON, PERSONAL TRAINER: The police are institutionally racist. There may be individuals within the system that are trying to do a good job, but as a collective, they're racist.

ELBAGIR: What do you think a police officer thinks when he looks at you.

HUTCHINSON: Color. Race, color. The first thing they notice, and that should be the last thing they notice.

OTOKITO: Unfortunately, threat.

ELBAGIR: You think the first thing a police officer sees when they look at you a black man is a threat?

OTOKITO: I think they see us as -- the majority of society sees us as a threat, and it's fear.

ELBAGIR: And it's not just the police. When it comes to other institutions of power, the racial divide is just stuck. Black people are significantly more likely than white people to say the party and power, the conservatives is institutionally racist.

The final moments of the toppling of the statue of slave trader Edward Colston. For over a century, he presided over a central square in the British City of Bristol. Then, protesters took matters into their own hands. You can see the hugely emotional moments when the crowd white and black rolls Colston statue to the docks where the human-beings he traded well auctioned off.

Wish, a local musician was there that day. He grew up in the shadow of Colston statue. And he watched it toppled.

WISH, MUSICIAN: It's a systematic slavery. It's got to stop. It's embedded deep in the roots in the education systems, in the public sectors, in everything. This all got to change.

We couldn't have a statue of Hitler, so why would drop a statue of him? Do you know what I mean? And it's just kind of like when people were saying it don't want to take away their culture now roots, but it's like, you know, that's what you got books for. That's what the library is there for, the internet is therefore, you know what I mean?

You don't need a statue for the system to change. The institutions have got to change, really. We know that they're broken and that they don't work.

ELBAGIR: Led by Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who in his former job as a journalist, used a colonial era racial slur to mock Africans. The British government is now threatening to bring in up to 10-year jail sentences for what it calls desecration of history. But whose history?

Our polling found black people were more than twice as likely to support the removal of those statues by protesters as white people, and almost three times as likely to say that the British Empire as a whole was a bad thing.

World War II era, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill's history, like much of Britain's, is complicated by the legacy of his role in Britain's Empire. Under his now heavily guarded statue, we spoke to Aima. Because it's not just Britain's past, this struggle is also about its present.

AIMA, ACTIVIST, #ALLBLACKLIVESUK: I thought, why can't a young black woman use her voice and spread the word? Because until these protests, I never knew that I had a voice.

ELBAGIR: 18-year-old Aima is one of the two organizers of the British Black Lives Matter protest. She says she has faced sustained harassment for that role, and asked us not to use her surname. Originally from Nigeria moving to Britain, she says, has been difficult.

AIMA: When I first moved to this country, I did get racist, anonymous messages from people around my area. And I think that was the first realization that racism is very prominent in this country, and covert racism, ignorance coming onto the tube and seeing women and men clutch the handbags and briefcases. Our lives matter and we aren't going to stop until the government makes an effort to promote that.

ELBAGIR: And she's not alone in feeling that way. Black people are nearly twice as likely as white people to say the U.K. has not done enough to address historic racial injustice. So, what do our findings mean for this nation divided?

What is clear is that there is a divide between what many black Britons experienced and what many white Britons believe that experience to be. Which means that what so many black leaders, black activists, and even just everyday ordinary black Brits have been saying for years is true that when they speak about racism, so many of their white countrymen don't believe them.

And that is something that is going to have to be reckoned with if there is any hope for this country to move together towards a united future. Nima Elbagir, CNN London.



ANNA COREN, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Well, still to come, we take a check of the markets as fears rise over a potential second coronavirus wave.


COREN: Welcome back. In the U.K., a 25-year-old Libyan national has been identified as the sole suspect behind a terrorist incident leaving three people dead. The man currently in police custody is suspected of carrying out a knife attack on Saturday in Redding, England.

Our Nic Robertson joins us now. Nick, as we said this is being investigated as a terrorist incident. What can you tell us?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: Yes. The police say that it's -- that they are investigating this under the terrorism laws. There have been no formal charges against the alleged attacker yet identified by security source as Khairi Saadallah, a 25-year-old Libyan national.

The police still have the part where the attack took place behind me here sealed off. The national newspapers here are all running with a very similar headline which tends to indicate that this alleged attacker was known to the security services. These are the headlines in all this sort of national newspapers here.


And you can see the indications quite clearly that all the newspapers here running with a story that he was known to the security services. This isn't the first time in the U.K. there's been a terror attack. Indeed, the last two terror attacks, the cases -- those cases, the alleged attackers or the attackers in those cases, were both learned at the security services. The government had tightened the law to try to prevent these sorts of attacks happening again.

But what we are beginning to learn here are more details about some of the victims. One of the victims James Furlong, a teacher from a local high school. He was the head of the history, governance, and politics department there. His family and his colleagues described him as a nice man, a gentle man, someone who was talented, someone who really put passion into his teaching, somebody who wanted his student to understand the world around him, so we're beginning to learn a little bit more about the victims.

But it's still an active crime scene here, the investigation still continues, and we're yet to hear the details of precisely what the police will charge him with. But three people dead in this knife attack, And SEVERAL people still in critical condition in hospital. An eye witness to the attack said that the man shouted something unintelligible before the attack and rushed to a group of people sitting in the park.

And that part is a concern for people here, quite simply because after lockdown, the only place for people to gather is out in the open in public spaces. That's where people can gather with their friends to relax. That's where this teacher was in the park. So relaxing outside particularly in Reading now, that's a -- that's a worry for people.

COREN: Yes, Nic, as you say, this is still an active crime scene and obviously, only in the early stages of the investigation, but what has been the official reaction so far from authorities? ROBERTSON: Yes, it's very interesting because the Prime Minister, when he spoke about this really sort of unprompted, in a way, if you will, before these headlines in the newspapers indicating that the security services were aware of this -- the nature of this particular alleged attacker.

The prime minister said, look, if there are lessons to be learned here, we will learn those lessons, we have done recently. And I was referring there to the new legislation that prevented terrorist suspects getting out of jail early on parole, getting back into the community and perpetrating attacks.

And of course, the critics of that legislation have said that this doesn't address the core issue, which is a sort of a more controlled probationary period, with the probation services picking up the suspect, the criminal in jail, handling them through the early period of their release.

So questions like that remain front and center, but the Prime Minister clearly indicating, it appears, that perhaps points and issues were missed and that's already early on in the -- in this particular case.

COREN: Nic Robertson, we appreciate the update. Many thanks. Well, Asian markets kicked off the week in a mixed fashion. Investors are mulling over a potential second Coronavirus wave after the weekends are a global surge in new cases.

As you can see the Nikkei is down, as is the Hong Kong Hang Seng, Shanghai Composite also slightly down as well as the Seoul KOSPI. Well, CNN's John Defterios joins us now from Abu Dhabi.

John, as we were saying there are obviously concerns from global health experts that they will be a second wave of this pandemic, yet it would seem investors have their heads in the sand or at least operating in a parallel universe. Why aren't the markets sharing the same view?

JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNN BUSINESS EMERGING MARKETS EDITOR: Well, you say that just correctly on this parallel universe right now. I wouldn't say anybody's going off to the races today. They're kind of resetting to see what the week does have to offer and digest that news that we have on the health front.

But if we look at the major U.S. indices and the futures right now, they're all in positive territory. We lost about a third to a half a percent in the last hour of trading here, but no clear indication why that's the case. But if you put it into context with a quarter, Anna, we could have the best second quarter for the U.S. markets in 20 years.

We have a bull market for the S&P 500 better than 20 percent, even larger game for the NASDAQ. The world all share index with FTSE is up better than 10 percent. So that's taking into account what we're seeing in India, and what we've seen in Latin America. Overall, global markets are up 10 percent. So let's break this down a little bit. For example, we see a G-7 sized

economy in California in record cases. China has seen a manufacturing facility of PepsiCo needing to shut because of the second surge. It will be interesting to see what President Xi Jinping does on the policy front. Is it going to be necessary to stimulate even more here in the second half of the year to try to hit this target of three percent growth? That's half the level we normally expect in China, but it is still growth. And we see the surge in India which is again a very large emerging market with about 1.3 billion people. And the case is surging yet again.

So we haven't seen the worst of it. But right now, the investor view is there's $8 trillion in the system globally. That's enough to buffer the second wave that we know is swelling at this stage.


COREN: John, we know that governments are not sitting idle. What measures are we seeing globally to fight the second wave economically?

DEFTERIOS: Yes, it's good to kind of take a cross section, but you've finished there with Nic Robertson and the challenges on the terrorism front with that attack and Reading, but also the second wave concerns that we see in the U.K. It was a slow responder to COVID-19, so it has to be on its game when it comes to economic jumpstarting, if you will.

Rishi Sunak is the Chancellor of the Exchequer or the finance minister. There's discussion now about him cutting The retail sales tax or the VAT in the U.K. We're going to hear a policy statement from him. But we did hear over the weekend that they're going to be adjusting their COVID-19 guidelines here for the economy, open up more small businesses even perhaps change their social distancing model at the same time. So there's a lot of movement taking place.

Here in the Middle East, for example, the largest economy dependent on oil, of course, is Saudi Arabia, but they're announcing a $4 billion investment one. That's the seed capital to open up tourism. They have a lot of UNESCO heritage sites as part of the 2030 plan for the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

And then finally, Anna, where I'm living here in the UAE, Dubai next door, the Emirate has not clearly defined the arrivals of international visitors from July 7th. It's not the peak tourism season, but it's a good time to test it.

And then we saw Emirates Airline and Etihad here in Abu Dhabi layout a much broader flight network going forward in July, and the destinations ranked very clearly in three different stages from the safest to the least safest and what the restrictions are on there. But they're going to be allowing inbound visitors under certain guidelines. It's kind of warming up here for the autumn season at the same time. So a lot of changes taking place, no panic in the markets, but still a determination to open up economies around the world as they struggle to grow in the second half coming forward.

COREN: John Defterios joining us from Abu Dhabi, as always, great to see you. Many thanks. Stay with CNN. We'll be right back with more.



COREN: Returning now to one of our top stories, a CNN exclusive reporting revealing a stark racial divide in the U.K. It showed that many black people do not think British police treat them with respect. Well, joining me now is Floyd Millen. He's a political scientist and former adviser to the Metropolitan Police authority. Dr. Millen, great to have you with us. You're also the author of Police Reform and Political Accountability.

The death of George Floyd certainly reignited a global movement against racial inequality, police brutality. I'm certainly going to get to your book, but what's happening at this very moment, do you see is a reckoning for governments and police forces around the world?

FLOYD MILLEN, FORMER ADVISER, METROPOLITAN POLICE AUTHORITY: Indeed, it is. We are at a period in history which is potentially a paradigm shift. In the U.K., there -- as in many countries, there have been protests, there have been concerns around how the police have handled and worked with or against, in some cases, black and ethnic minority community.

So this is a time where our politicians which have historically and in some ways failed or have been given to platitudes where they haven't really addressed the concerns of communities. And we have protests and there is a series of issues around statues which go back to the colonial era. And in some parts of the U.K., for example, in Bristol, the police manage those protests really well. They stood back.

But we are at a period in history where you know tectonic plates are shifting and it's incumbent on our politicians to be ahead of the curve.

COREN: Well, in your book, you contrast policing between the U.K. and the United States. What in your opinion, are the main differences?

MILLEN: Well, for example, in the USA, you had the gospel of the nightstick where the police were, you know, quite -- in the early days were quite vicious, use the nightstick to ensure control. In the United Kingdom, England and Wales, we have policing by consent. In the U.S., your police obviously are very much armed, in the U.K., it's by exception, very few officers are armed.

The system that you have in your essay came very much from the U.K. and from Dutch, so an element of community policing was part of that process which we adhere strongly in the U.K. And in my book is very clear that in the USA, you run your service very much around Democratic Representative principles, whereas in the U.K., it's functional, it's procedural, it's bureaucratic, but that helps.

We only have 43 police forces in England, Wales, in the U.S. you have something like 18,000 police agencies, which is a huge amount. But in both countries, our unions, police unions are extremely strong, and they wield a lot of power and therein lies part of the problems.

In the U.S. again, offices can move between precincts and police forces without any checks on their -- on their previous behavior, or conduct. There are many similarities, but there are huge differences. First amongst those is first in the U.K., policing is by set by consent. And we see the police as the citizen and the citizen as the -- as the police, although this has and is breaking down and is giving us cause for concern.

COREN: I wanted to ask you about weapons because you mentioned that in the U.K. or I should say in Britain, police officers routinely do not carry guns where obviously in the U.S. all officers are armed. How much does that weigh into the debate?


MILLEN: Significantly, and the old adage is a man with a hammer, anything, everything is a nail. So essentially you use the tools that you're given, and then the exception becomes the norm. So, for example, in the USA, your police forces are heavily armed and that sees around 1,200 deaths at the hands of police officers each year. In the U.K., it's much lower.

In the year 2018 to 2019, regrettably, there were 276 deaths as a result of being in police custody. I also had my own experiences of you know, very dear family friend many years ago, Clinton McCurbin suffering from asphyxiation in a similar way that George Floyd did, and he died. In Gordon in 1991, the first African Caribbean man in the U.K. to be shot by armed officers.

So the carrying of arms increases the likelihood of individuals being shot and other forms of aggressive restraining techniques being used. And this is our fear that if the U.K. follows the vote of America, we will invariably see more armed officers, and what we see played out and will become more deaths in custody, and it will begin to spiral out of control. And so, we are very, very cautious, many of us are very fearful and cautious that this does not become the case.

COREN: Well, as you say, this is certainly a reckoning for police forces around the world, and yet there is still so much work to be done. Dr. Floyd Millen, great to have you with us. Thank you so much for joining us. And thank you for watching at CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Anna Coren live in Hong Kong. The news continues with my colleague Rosemary Church right after the break.