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ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT
Atlanta Mayor Plans to Revert Back to Stay-At-Home Order; Trump Says "We're Getting Back on Track" as Four States Up 800 percent or More in Avg Daily New Cases Since Reopening; New Mexico Pauses Re- Opening as Coronavirus Cases Rise; Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) New Mexico Discuss About Her Decision of Shutting Back Down Due to Increase in Coronavirus Cases; Trump Threatens to Withhold Funds from Schools That Stay Shut; 68 Percent of Those Tested in One NYC Clinic Have Antibodies; Poll: Trump Disapproval of Pandemic Hits All-Time High at 67 Percent. Aired 7-8p ET
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ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST: OUTFRONT next breaking news, Atlanta announcing tonight residents will go back to stay-at-home order. As that city, the country, moving backwards on the coronavirus statistics, the President claims though we're back on track and doing very well.
Plus, nearly 70 percent of people in one hard hit New York community testing positive for antibodies to the virus, is it real? Is it possible that this particular neighborhood has achieved herd immunity? The doctor with all the eye opening data is OUTFRONT.
And growing calls tonight to boycott Goya after the CEO praised President Trump effusively and he is standing by it not apologizing. Let's go OUTFRONT.
And good evening. I'm Erin Burnett.
OUTFRONT tonight, the breaking news, back to square one in the City of Atlanta, which announced just moments ago it is preparing to shut back down due to the surge in coronavirus cases there. They are returning to phase one of reopening, which means residents must stay home except for essential trips.
Only essential businesses and city services can operate. Now, this is the biggest move yet by a major city in the opposite direction here of progress. It comes as the President goes more and more detached from reality on this and detached from his top medical expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci.
Here's President Trump just hours ago. He was speaking in the State of Florida. He was actually there for a fundraiser and an event on drugs. But it happens to be the place where coronavirus cases are growing faster than any country on earth, up 1,237 percent since May 1st.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: In the United States, at least before the COVID came to us, the flu, the virus, the China virus, whatever you'd like to call it, it's got many different names, but before it hit we were doing really well. We're still doing very well, but now we're getting back on track.
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BURNETT: OK. Never mind it isn't a flu and I just want to point that out, because his use of that word just doesn't seem to be accidental. It seems purposeful, use to minimize the virus' impact. Never mind, there is no sane person who would say that going back to phase one shutdown in one of the biggest cities in this country is not back on track.
Look, the facts tonight show this, the coronavirus pandemic has killed nearly 134,000 Americans. Deaths are now starting to tick back up again after trending down a little bit for months, even as younger people were infected. But we're now starting to see that rate go back up. Listen to how Dr. Anthony Fauci describes the situation right now.
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DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: My own country, the United States, as I'm sure we'll be able to discuss a little bit more is in the middle right now even as we speak in a very serious problem.
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BURNETT: A very serious problem and we're in the middle of it. The President's version we're back on track and we've done very well.
Well, look, the President doesn't want to hear the facts on this. Actually, according to Fauci, the last time Trump met with Fauci was June 2nd, that's more than a month ago and the last time that Fauci briefed Trump here personally on the facts, two months ago. So just think about that.
Let me just show you what happened since the last time the President of the United States actually had that personal briefing from the person who knows the most and is in charge of the infectious disease here. Look at these two maps. When Trump was briefed by Fauci the last time 22 states, that's may 13th, we're seeing a decrease in the number of cases. Look at that map, 22.
The number now, four. The last time Trump got briefed by Fauci, the number of cases in the United States was 1.3 million. It's nearly 2 million more than that today. The last time that President Trump was briefed by Dr. Fauci, the death toll in the United States of America was 79,000. It is now on the verge of 134,000 dead people. But now, instead of fighting the virus, President Trump is fighting
Fauci, the leading infectious disease expert in the country. A man who has been in this role since the 1980s and worked for six presidents of both parties.
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TRUMP: Dr. Fauci is a nice man, but he's made a lot of mistakes.
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BURNETT: Trump attacking Fauci because Fauci says we are in the middle of a really big problem, something the President just can't admit. In an interview with the Financial Times, Fauci saying, "I have a reputation, as you probably have figured out, of speaking the truth at all times and not sugar-coating things. And that may be one of the reasons why I haven't been on television very much lately."
He speaks the truth and Trump doesn't want to hear it. So Trump doesn't want Fauci on TV doing interviews, because that's the media that Trump consumes.
Jeremy Diamond is OUTFRONT live outside the White House. And Jeremy, we did see Fauci at the White House today not though when the President was there. What can you tell us about that?
JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Erin. Dr. Fauci today showed up at the White House for coronavirus task force meeting.
But that one was conducted behind closed doors. There was no briefing following it. Two days ago, Dr. Fauci was excluded from the task force briefing, which was held in public led by Vice President Mike Pence. And Dr. Fauci, in fact, had been told to stay back at the White House instead of at the Department of Education so that he could not attend this task force briefing.
And it comes, Erin, as you can see, this feud between Dr. Fauci and President Trump increasingly breaking out into public view. The president making clear this week he believes Dr. Fauci has made mistakes and Dr. Fauci undermining the President's false claim about 99 percent of coronavirus cases being harmless.
Ultimately, Erin, this is about the President not just being at odds with Dr. Fauci but being at odds with the science. There is one aspect, though, of the science where the President appears to be moving and shifting at least just a little bit and that's because the President said that tomorrow when he visits Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, he is going to be wearing a mask and sources have told me that he is also going to be photographed wearing that mask.
It's designed to be a signal to his supporters that it is OK to wear a mask to try and depoliticize this at least a little bit. There's been a quiet campaign, I've been told, Erin, by my sources, by White House aides as well as campaign aides to convince the President that he should show this sign to his supporters.
But just today, Erin, the President was in Florida. The hardest hit state in the country when it comes to coronavirus and he was once again not wearing a mask. So again, even if the President is moving a little bit, he's clearly still very, very reluctant to depoliticize this issue of masks which, of course, he has been at the center of politicizing this, Erin, by mocking Joe Biden for wearing a mask and not encouraging people in the way that most public health experts have been to do just that.
BURNETT: All right. Jeremy, thank you very much. It's pretty incredible all of this arguing and fighting and arm pulling to get him to wear a mask to a medical center. Let's just think about that.
The President, as Jeremy said, spent much of his day in Florida, which is the epicenter right now. He didn't wear a mask and he did fit in a fundraiser. He was there for an event on drugs and he was there to raise money, raised $10 million. But he wasn't there because of the viral crisis or to speak about that or to address that. Erica Hill is OUTFRONT.
ERICA HILL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Long lines for testing in Florida. As the numbers there continue to move in the wrong direction.
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DR. DAVID DE LA ZERDA, LEAD ICU PHYSICIAN, JACKSON MEMORIAL HOSPITAL: The situation is really concerned here in South Florida.
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HILL (voice-over): Florida is now averaging more than 9,000 new cases a day. The President in hard hit Miami-Dade County today though not because the positivity rate there is nearly 30 percent.
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DR. PETER HOTEZ, CO-DIRECTOR, TEXAS CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL FOR VACCINE DEVELOPMENT: There seems to be this lack of understanding or awareness that we are in one of the most extraordinary public health crises that our nation has ever faced.
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HILL (voice-over): Georgia, one of the first states to reopen, smashing its previous daily high, adding nearly 4,500 new cases. In response, Atlanta's Mayor says her city is moving back to phase one, which includes a stay-at-home order, setting up a battle with the Governor who called the plan unenforceable.
Ten states seeing an increase in COVID related deaths over the past week, half of those posting their highest average for new cases since the pandemic began.
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GOV. GREG ABBOTT (R-TX): I think the numbers are going to look worse as we go into next week and we need to make sure that there's going to be plenty of hospital beds available in the Houston area.
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HILL (voice-over): It's not just hospital capacity and ICU beds, personal protective equipment is once again in short supply in some areas.
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DEBORAH BURGER, RN, CO-PRESIDENT, NATIONAL NURSES UNITED: We've had plenty of time to plan and take action and it has yet to happen.
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HILL (voice-over): Uncertainty growing with many jobs on hold. The $600 weekly unemployment boost will run out at the end of July. But the needs of struggling families will not. Back to school looming with some states just weeks away.
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GOV. RON DESANTIS (R-FL): I don't think there's anybody who can make an argument that this is especially risky for kids. We have to accept that and then figure out how you fashion policy around it.
DR. AILEEN MARTY, PROFESSOR, INFECTIOUS DISEASE, FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL UNIV.: The viral loads in children are equivalent to that in adults. What does that mean? That means that they can transmit the virus equally well to other people whether or not they show symptoms.
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HILL (voice-over): As districts work to find the right balance, the one constant in every decision, a virus that is here to stay.
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DR. MIKE RYAN, WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION: In our current situation, it is very unlikely that we can eradicate or eliminate this virus.
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HILL: And so just one more note about Georgia tonight, Erin, we also learned from the Governor that they are reactivating the makeshift hospital, the Georgia World Congress Center in Downtown Atlanta amid this rise in new cases.
BURNETT: All right. Erica, thank you very much. I want to go now to Dr. Sanjay Gupta, our Chief Medical Correspondent
in Atlanta tonight and Dr. Jonathan Reiner, cardiologist who advised the White House medical team under President George W. Bush.
Sanjay, let me just start with that, with the breaking news this hour that Atlanta is going to go back to phase one locking down again. Look, I know this doesn't surprise you, but what do you make of the timing? How long it took to get there? What does this say about other places that think, oh, we reopened early, but we're still going to be OK.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Right. No. I mean, nothing makes you feel like you've gone back to square one again or even worse than that than the fact that these mobile hospitals are now going to be redeployed. There's a real concern at these hospitals that they're simply not going to be able to take care of these patients.
I mean, it's not just the beds, it's the staff. It's the respiratory therapists. It's all these things, all of these same discussions that we had, back in March and April that we're having again, that we thought we were past. So it's demoralizing, Erin.
I mean, I was at the hospital this week talking to people over there. People are worried once again. They're worried. It's amazing the same conversations, am I going to have enough PPE, is it going to be risky for me to take care of patients, am I going to take the virus home, the numbers are going up.
And by the way, as you may know in the south, Erin, schools schedule open very early in August, just a few weeks away and now you hear what's going on with the - going back to phase one. That probably means those schools are not going to open at this point. We just need to be realistic about this.
So this is not the news I like hearing. It's not the news I like sharing, but it's what's happening right now on my home state.
BURNETT: Right. Well, then it's what could happen in a lot of other places.
I mean, Dr. Reiner, Dr. Fauci today was fact checking Trump's claim that 99 percent of coronavirus cases are harmless, right? Remember when he said that and he told the Financial Times, Dr. Fauci, that is, I quote him, "I'm trying to figure out where the President got that number. What I think happened is that someone told him that the general mortality is about 1 percent. And he interpreted, therefore, that 99 percent is not a problem and that's obviously not the case," right?
He's referring to very, very ill hospitalizations up to 15 percent and people who could have lifelong implications from this unknown and not insignificant number. What do you think it is, Dr. Reiner, that the President really just didn't understand the numbers or he wanted to paint a false picture? JONATHAN REINER, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: With old colleague, Dr. Peter
Hotez, I think has reluctantly come to the conclusion that this is purposeful misinformation coming from the White House, which would be horrible if it's true. The only other explanation is that the President does not have the capacity to understand this. There's no other no other explanation. The President constantly touts incorrect, crucial information about this virus.
Look, when you tell the public that 99 percent of people are unaffected by this virus, that it's harmless to 99 percent of people, what you are explicitly telling them is that you can go out and do your business.
REINER: You can live life normally. There's no reason to wear a facemask. It's incredibly dangerous. Either the President lacks the capacity to understand this or he is cynically and in an incredibly damaging way providing direct misinformation to the public.
BURNETT: Sanjay, when he went to Florida today, the biggest hotspot in the country, right, so if you look at the world and you say what is the country with the biggest - increasing cases, it's the state of Florida. The President went there for a fundraiser, a $10 million fundraiser and he went there to talk about drug trafficking, nothing. Not going to help the virus, which by the way, a presidential visit and what that entails would not be helpful.
But all he said about the virus is we're back on track and doing very well. At this point as a medical professional, Sanjay, how dangerous is this sort of talk?
GUPTA: I'm not even sure if it's a medical story at this point. I mean, I think everybody fundamentally understands what's happening here. As you point out, this is the biggest public health crisis of our lifetime. The biggest public health crisis on the planet and Florida is the worst spot on earth right now.
So how could you not address this? I mean, people are dying. It's really remarkable to me and that's to say nothing of the fact that there's risks involved, right? I mean, Jonathan Reiner was reminding us that when they went to Oklahoma, all of these Secret Service agents subsequently were diagnosed with COVID, people go to the hospitals over there in anticipation of a presidential visit in order to scout things, make sure things are ready should it be needed. They don PPE. They use resources that are obviously needed here at this time to take care of patients with coronavirus.
It makes no sense, probably the trip itself, but then not to address what is the biggest public health crisis in the world in our lifetimes right now, it boggles the mind.
Is that even a medical story anymore.
BURNETT: No. I mean it really is. I mean as I said, he went to talk about drugs in Venezuela and at a $10 million fundraiser.
Dr. Reiner, The Washington Post is reporting tonight that the White House and Peter Navarro as the lead here is pressuring the FDA to grant emergency authorization for hydroxychloroquine to treat coronavirus, right? Another one that had been revoked. It had been revoked because study after study after study found the drug was not effective and in some cases perhaps deadly.
But Navarro and Trump are now touting that new study that sound patients were less likely to die when given the drug. Now, we all saw the study. It's the only one that shows that. Since it's been released, many top experts have raised questions about the finding. Where do you come out on this? Is it possible this really works and all of the studies out there that said otherwise are wrong?
REINER: Yes. I think the medical term for this is mishegoss, it means craziness. Look, the Henry Ford study suggested which was a non- randomized observational study in which they looked at outcomes in patients that either got hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin versus those that didn't and that study seemed to suggest that people who got hydroxychloroquine did better.
But since it was not randomized is subject to what we call confounding effects and one of the big confounding effects in that trial is that the patients who got hydroxychloroquine also got steroids. And that's a drug that subsequent trials have shown really does work. We know steroids work in sick people with COVID-19.
Three randomized clinical trials, one from the NIH, one from the World Health Organization, one out of Oxford, three randomized clinical trials, all have come to the same conclusion, the drug doesn't work. There's nothing else to talk about here. Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work. We have to stop with this nonsense.
BURNETT: All right. I appreciate both of your time tonight. Thank you.
And next, the President's top economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, on opening schools.
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LARRY KUDLOW, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL: You can social distance, you can get your temperature taken, you can be tested, you could have distancing, come on, it's not that hard.
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BURNETT: It depends how old your kids are, Larry. Is it just that easy?
Plus, in one New York neighborhood, nearly 70 percent of those tested have Coronavirus antibody. So can you trust it? Is this hard hit community at the place in this country that has actually achieved vaccine-like herd immunity? But doctor behind the research is OUTFRONT.
And devastating new poll numbers for the President, highest disapproval ratings yet for Trump on his handling of coronavirus.
BURNETT: Tonight, shutting back down. At least 26 states rolling back or pausing their reopening. I just said that Atlanta is going back to phase one, they just announced tonight. Another is New Mexico. They're now stopping indoor dining at restaurants and bars, hospitalizations there up 27 percent from five days ago, cases keep rising, so you can see a little bit of look in the future. You just don't know whether that future is a week, 10 days, two weeks or more away.
The Governor acknowledging the trend lines are 'going in the wrong direction' and she's OUTFRONT now, the New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham. I appreciate your time, Governor. What is the biggest factor in your state that is leading you to make this decision, shutting back down is the right thing to do?
GOV. MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM (D-NM): Well, Erin, thank you very much for having me on. The numbers speak for themselves. When you're tracking the data every day, the number of infections and positive cases, the number of hospitalizations and deaths, it's pretty clear.
So our rolling five day average, for example, right now, at about 259 is twice what it was a month ago. So New Mexico flattened, crushed that curve and we were really managing. So we split our opening phase one into two parts, I wanted to go really slow, because when you introduce risk, you got to make sure that you can mitigate that risk.
You only have two tools, people's personal behaviors or limiting their access to goods and services. And we don't want limited access, so you have to rely on personal behaviors. But what's going on around the country and people coming into the state and I think far too many New Mexicans who were getting mixed messages nationally about mask wearing, even though we had a mandate and then it really is safer than it is because it's not safe I think very lackadaisical.
And I've asked New Mexicans to go exactly where they were more than a month ago; stay home, stay at gatherings no more than five, only leave if you have to, mandatory masks including for exercise, no one really from out of state is supposed to be here and no indoor dining. We never opened up ours.
BURNETT: Wow. OK. Well, this is - I mean, look, I think this gives people a sense of how things could go, no one from out of state, mask even while exercising. I mean, you do still plan to open schools in the fall, I believe, Governor. But you've said that if you don't go back to flattening your curve, if you aren't able to see that, you can't do it safely. Of course, you saw the President's tweet this morning with the threat, "Schools must be open in the Fall. If not open, why would the Federal Government give funding? It won't."
And then Larry Kudlow, his top economic adviser said this later this afternoon, I want to play it for you.
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KUDLOW: Just go back to school, we can do that. And you can social distance, you can get your temperature taken, you can be tested, you could have distancing, come on, it's not that hard.
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BURNETT: What do you say to them? Not that hard, you can just keep getting tested, no big deal.
GRISHAM: It is another indication that the federal government has no plan, has no concept of what it takes to safely reopen to protect kids and their families or has any interest in doing so. And frankly, it's the most callous kind of statement that we've all come to expect out of the White House.
What about all of the medically fragile children? What about families with chronic care conditions? What about the fact that most individuals are asymptomatic? What about the fact that most states, including New Mexico have a much older workforce in education, because it's a vocation, right?
Educators stay the course because they're in love with what they do and want to make a difference. They're in indoor settings.
GRISHAM: You try and tell a five-year-old that social distancing and mask wearing is easy.
BURNETT: Yes. Well, I have a five-year-old and I know exactly what you're talking about.
GRISHAM: So you know.
BURNETT: They have the best intentions, but it isn't going to work. And look, they're all going to start trading masks and I'm not saying that to be funny, I'm just saying that people don't realize the challenge that we're going to be facing when these kids go back to school. It's going to be hard.
You are the first Latina Democratic governor in America, Governor, and right now it looks like we lost her shot - it looks like we lost her. Are we going to get her back or - no, we're not. OK. Well, I appreciate her time if she can still hear me. Thank you very much, Gov. Grisham. I appreciate it.
And next, it was one of the hardest hit neighborhoods in New York. Now nearly 70 percent of those tested have the antibodies. Is it possible this community could have achieved herd immunity? The doctor with all of the data is my guest.
Plus, the Trump campaign canceling its New Hampshire rally citing weather not the pandemic. But was the real concern over crowd size? (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BURNETT: Tonight, nearly 70 percent of people tested in one hard hit New York City neighborhood showed that they had coronavirus antibodies, 70 percent. This is stunning. It's incredible and why because that's getting you up towards the level of herd immunity.
Well, if you don't get there through vaccine, you get there through people getting it. If this is true, it is incredible. Get, get to between 70 percent and 85 percent, all get, get to between 70 percent and 85 percent, all of a sudden you get herd immunity. If this is true, it is incredible. And it is what CityMD, which operates dozens of walk in clinics in New York is reporting.
OUTFRONT now, Dr. Daniel Frogel. He is the senior vice president of medical operations at CityMD, a trained ER doctor.
And I appreciate your time, Doctor, tonight.
One of your clinics of, in all places, Corona, Queens, showed 68 percent of people tested have antibodies. And just so people know watching nationally, Corona, Queens, is next to Elmhurst Hospital, which everyone in this country, if they don't remember the name, they know the pictures.
These videos from "The New York Times", at the peak of the crisis, it was the hardest hit hospital and the hardest hit city in the world.
How significant would this be, 68 percent antibodies?
DR. DANIEL FROGEL, SENIOR VP OF MEDICAL OPERATIONS, CITYMD: I think we need to understand the data a little bit better. But when you're looking at a large population of people and a large number of -- a large percentage of those people are potentially immune to a virus, you could start thinking about that herd, that it'll be almost impossible for the virus to penetrate and for people to get sick.
We have to be extraordinarily careful, however. We are measuring antibodies. The real question about is antibodies do, they confirm immunity? Are they actually protective? How long do they last for?
We have to be very careful about what kind of advice we're giving. At this point, we can't anything more than you have these antibodies. We can't tell people to act differently, to not protect themselves, not wash your hands, not wear masks.
FROGEL: It's interesting and compelling but we have to take it with that pause and that caution.
BURNETT: Which I completely understand. There's that, right? There's the issue of we don't know if the antibodies confirm immunity and we don't know the level of antibody confirms immunity, which leads me to what we know about the antibodies itself which is the test, right?
And the CDC has said that coronavirus antibody tests could be wrong up to half the time, right? They said, well, if you get a negative, they're more confident with that. But if you get a positive, it mean you had it, but it may you had some other kind of a common cold. So, you may not even had antibodies to this coronavirus.
You know, how confident are you that these antibody tests are indeed accurate, that they mean what they mean?
FROGEL: Well, I'm an ER doctor, not a lab person. I don't want to talk to the accuracy of the test. What we can correlate is the number -- the prevalence of the virus itself, you test for the virus itself through PCR methods.
And the numbers of patients in Corona, Queens, were equally staggeringly high during the peak of the outbreak, 70 or 80 percent of the time these patients were testing positive, certainly much higher than other areas of the city. It looks like it's correlating closely to those patients that produced the antibodies.
BURNETT: Which is interesting. All right. So, 70 percent to 80 percent positivity rate. I mean, it's pretty stunning.
I know you're working on a study here. You've been going through your data. So, you know, Corona, you have nearly 64 percent of the population in that particular neighborhood, Hispanic, 15 percent Asian, 13 percent black, 6.5 percent white.
So, you look at that 68 percent antibody reported among that community, compare it to Cobble Hill in Brooklyn, which is a different neighborhood, predominantly white and wealthy, and only 13 percent of those people who came into your clinic had antibodies.
And I should note for everybody watching obviously, not all but many of the people who would have gone into the clinic at this time would have had reason to think I need to be tested, right? It's not just I'm completely healthy. So, I'm going to wait in line at CityMD, OK?
So, when you look at your data, when are you seeing across demographics because this looks pretty stark?
FROGEL: We're seeing consistency across most of the city. I would say across the board, low 20 to 25 percent of the neighborhoods that we have tested good data on are positive. Those hard hit neighborhoods, parts of Brooklyn and certainly Corona, Queens, and other neighborhoods in Queens really jumped off the map and very striking. And it's something that we thought we were very compelled to share early.
We still have a lot of work to do with the data. We want to understand it a whole lot better. There certainly is a selection bias as you alluded to. I think patients that are coming in from Corona, Queens, usually have an inkling they've had it or been exposed to it.
So, that number 68, how reliable is that? Is that a true cross section of the community? These are all items that need to be answered.
BURNETT: Right, well --
FROGEL: I think it's extraordinary and we follow what's going on if there's a second wave, if there are more cases, what's happening in each one of these communities isolated, what's the prevalence as we move forward.
BURNETT: Well, Dr. Frogel, I appreciate you sharing it and I understand, you know, the nuance and the caveats, but it is -- it is crucial information, and -- and it's going to add a lot to this conversation.
So, I appreciate your time. Thank you.
FROGEL: Thank you.
BURNETT: And next, Trump and Fox news host Tucker Carlson calling Senator Duckworth who lost both legs in Iraq, calling her a coward, a fraud, and a moron. Well, tonight, Senator Duckworth has something to say.
Plus, Trump bragging about results from his -- we don't know when he took it actually, but a cognitive test he had.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I took -- took it at Walter Reed Medical Center in front of doctors, and they were very surprised.
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BURNETT: Tonight a new low. An ABC News/IPSOS poll showing the president's highest disapproval yet on his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, 67 percent of Americans disapproving of the president's handling, up nine points from mid-June.
I want to bring in the former Republican governor of Ohio, John Kasich.
And, Governor, I appreciate your time as always. So, you know, looking at these numbers, you've got disapproval at an all-time high for the handling of coronavirus. And what may be most concerning for the Trump is -- are these two numbers, 73 percent independents now disapprove of the president's coronavirus response, and 22 percent of Republicans which is more than double of what it was last month in his own party.
How -- can you turn all this around, Governor? JOHN KASICH, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I kind of think he's
jumped the shark and people go, what does that mean? That's when "Happy Days" when Fonz jumped the shark and that was about the end of the show. And I've been saying that I think he has jumped the shark.
And, Erin, you know, people want bed him to mix it up. They said let's take a chance on this guy. But these are -- this is about our families, right?
It's about our kids going back to school. It's about mom and dad. It's about grandma, grandpa.
The guy won't wear a mask. We're behind the curve on all this. He's dismissing it.
When you do that, you are now messing around with people's lives and people don't like that. And so, you can see the Republicans beginning to retreat, and we see independents retreating in mass. It's a very hard thing to fix.
Now, it's never over until it's over. As Yogi said, it ain't over till it's over.
KASICH: But at this point, losing all these people, including increasing numbers of the religious faithful is very, very difficult. It's a very tough thing to dig out of.
BURNETT: So, the president's cancelled his New Hampshire rally. He's cited storms from Tropical Storm Fay. The weather forecast shows the storm will be past where the rally is by the time it was scheduled to start tomorrow. But it comes as Kellyanne Conway down played crowd expectations. They recently cancelled a rally in Alabama. And, of course, you know, the rally that they had in Tulsa, as we all now know, even though they removed the social distancing signs so people would sit closely, they were stuck with all those photos of a pretty empty stadium.
Does this all say anything to you?
KASICH: Yeah, he's losing momentum. The thing about Tulsa that was interesting -- I just saw a few of the clips. You saw people looking at their watches and people were yawning and reaching across.
And, you know, I'd say four years ago, people were kind of transfixed by this show. But the show's kind of -- the show's winding down. And they cancelled because they weren't going to get the crowd.
And New Hampshire is such an interesting place. You know, I've spent a lot of time up there. I did 115 town hall meetings. People are very independent and they're not looking on this favorably in terms of what he's done with corona and what he's done with virus -- or not virus, but the protests. That's another thing he's missed, both virus and the protest. Strike two. BURNETT: So, Trump and Fox News host Tucker Carlson have been going
after Senator Duckworth, as you know. They called her a coward, they called her a fraud, they called her a moron for proposing a national dialogue over whether statues of George Washington should be removed.
Now, Senator Duckworth, whatever you think of that conversation, is a recipient of the Purple Heart, deep patriot. She lost both legs in a helicopter crash while serving in Iraq. And I just want to play for you they said.
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TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS HOST: You're not supposed to criticize Tammy Duckworth in any way because she once served in the military. Most people ignore her. But you're reminded what a deeply silly and unimpressive person she is.
The conclusion can't be avoided. These people actually hate America. George Washington, Clara Barton, Jackie Robinson, they're all, according to Tammy Duckworth, dead traitors.
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BURNETT: Just to be clear, she never said George Washington was a traitor, right? She said that this should be discussed. I have interviewed her many times. She's deeply impressive and thoughtful person.
She responded to the attacks in an op-ed, and in that, she wrote: What I actually said isn't the reason Mr. Carlson and Mr. Trump are questioning my patriotism. They're doing it because they're desperate for America's attention to be on anything other than Donald Trump's failure to lead our nation and because they think that Mr. Trump's electoral prospects will be better if they can turn us against one another.
So, Governor, you used to work at Fox News. I mean, do you think what we saw there from Mr. Carlson is working or backfiring?
KASICH: You know, it's a different place now than it was then. And it was a place where you heard both sides. Things have kind of changed across the media world.
But, Erin, doesn't it kind of take your breath away when you think about the attacks on the Gold Star families, the Khans, you remember that.
KASICH: The president attacking him. And then attacking my buddy John McCain, I mean, saying, you know, he wasn't a hero because he got caught. And, you know, I knew John well. He had great difficulty being able to put his coat on and off because of how many times they broke his arm and how much they tortured him.
And now, Duckworth, she loses two legs. Now, look, it's one thing to say I disagree with her opinion on X, Y or Z. But to call her a coward and a moron and to say that people like her hate America -- you know, my mother would have washed my mouth out with soap if I had been using words like that when I was -- when I was a kid.
And I don't do that now. It's one thing to argue. But ad hominem attacks are terrible.
Now, maybe -- maybe, I don't know, maybe, they think they're damaging Duckworth. Erin, I will tell you, that even though Trump's in electoral trouble, the Democrats better be careful that they don't lurch to the left, because still, a lot of those voters out there are wondering, is it safe to vote against Trump and perhaps to vote for Biden?
That's what we've got to keep our eye on. Thanks -- thanks, Erin, for having me on.
BURNETT: Right, whether those independents, whether they feel that way.
BURNETT: I appreciate your time, Governor, as always. Thank you, Governor John Kasich.
KASICH: Good to see you. Thank you.
BURNETT: And next, President Trump revealing the results from a cognitive test, but why did he take one in the first place?
And the CEO of Goya facing a boycott for praising Trump effusively and he is standing firm, not backing down tonight.
BURNETT: Tonight, President Trump claiming he took a cognitive test recently that surprised his doctors.
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TRUMP: The radical left was saying, is he all there? Is he all there? I proved I was all there because I aced it. I aced the test. I took it at Walter Reed Medical Center in front of doctors and they were very surprised. They said that's an unbelievable thing. Rarely does anybody do what you just did.
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BURNETT: OK. There's a lot there.
Dr. Jonathan Reiner is back with me because obviously he advised the George W. Bush White House for eight years. So, let me just ask you a very basic question, but one official's
understanding is that he's acting like he just took this exam but he's referring to the one in 2018 that he bragged about the time. So, it's unclear when he took this test.
But when you say, you look at this, why would President Trump undergo a test like this? Is that business as usual?
DR. JONATHAN REINER, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: No, it's not a part of any routine medical exam, and it's really never been part of the routine presidential or vice press presidential yearly examine. The Geriatric Society actually recommend this kind of neuro cognitive testing only when there is a suspicion of impairment.
We know he had one two years ago because Ronny Jackson described it. We didn't know he had one this year. He did actually have it in November, we need to know why. What was their suspicion?
BURNETT: Right. So you're saying it would only be on suspicion of impairment. So, just to be clear, advising George W. Bush White House for eight years, he had never had to take anything like this.
REINER: Actually, General Tubb gave a brief mental status exam to the president awakening from sedation after colonoscopy and reversing the 25th Amendment. So, he actually did a technical quick mental status for that purpose but no other team, no.
BURNETT: When President Trump continued here, he said the results were unbelievable. That's an unbelievable thing. Rarely does anyone do what you just did, what -- and nobody aces the test. I mean, what do you say to that? Nobody aces this test?
REINER: So, the test makes you draw a clock and put like the hands at 2:30. It shows a camel, a hippo and a lion and asks you to label them. It gives you five words and asks you to repeat them back. Subtract seven from 100. That's the test.
So I would hope that the person who carries a card in his pocket with a nuclear launch code can correctly identify a camel.
BURNETT: So what would your response be as a doctor if a patient says I aced it and bragging, the doctors surprised. This is unbelievable to that reaction.
REINER: Really, the big question is why did the president's physician feel they should give him any formal cognitive asses assessment two years ago and if the president isn't lying now, again in November on a Saturday afternoon in an unannounced way, if he actually had it in November, then now we know that he went there with some sort of potential neurological concern.
BURNETT: Which obviously we still do not know exactly why he went for this unannounced visit. Nor do we know exactly when he took this test.
All right. Dr. Reiner, appreciate it. Thanks again for coming back.
REINER: My pleasure.
BURNETT: And next, Jeanne on why and more people are not saying, go Goya.
BURNETT: Tonight, the CEO of Goya under fire for praising Trump. The backlash has been fast and furious.
Here is Jeanne.
JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Goya seasoning were spicing up the internet, reaction ranged from "Goya o boya" to "I'm using making enchiladas tonight using all Goya ingredients.
A few true Trump friendly words from the Goya Foods have shaken things up and left the CEO in the frying pan.
Robert Unanue spoke warmly of the president while standing next to him.
ROBERT UNANUE, GOYA CEO: We're all truly blessed at the same time to have a leader like President Trump who is a builder.
MOOS: To which the president replied.
TRUMP: That's very nice.
MOOS: Not so nice was the reaction. Goodbye Goya tweeted John Leguizamo. Chrissy Teigen chimed in, don't care how good the beans taste though. Bye, bye.
And Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, oh, look, it's the sound me Googling how to make your own adobo.
As the seasoning gets tossed by some into the waste basket, as the calls for a boycott spilled on Twitter, the #goyaway.
(on camera): That Goya CEO really opened a can of worms.
(voice-over): But he wasn't saying sorry on Fox News.
UNANUE: I'm not apologizing.
MOOS: He pointed out he'd appeared with the Obamas.
UNANUE: This is quite the honor.
MOOS: He labeled the boycott calls a suppression of speech.
UNANUE: Especially if you're called by the president of the United States, you're going to say no, I'm sorry, I'm busy, no thank you. I didn't say that to the Obamas and I didn't say that to President Trump.
MOOS: The anti boycott by Goya campaign picked up steam, going out tomorrow to buy 20 cases of their beans and 100 packets of Spanish rice. I'd buy more but my emergency pantry is full of ammo.
The boycott was mocked.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, I can't get this, I can't eat this. You're going to tell your mom you can't eat Goya rice.
MOOS: That old tweet from President Trump celebrating Cinco de Mayo eating a taco bowl was resurrected. This is one boycott that does amount to a hill of beans.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
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