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CDC Projects Around 20,000 More Deaths In Three Weeks; Hurricane Warnings Posted For Bahamas And Florida; Trump Says He Will Ban Video App TikTok From Operating In The U.S.; Summer Camp Outbreak Underscores Challenge Of Keeping Kids Safe At School; Fauci: "Cautiously Optimistic" A Vaccine Will Be Ready By End Of 2020; The $600 Unemployment Benefits Expire Amid Congress Stalemate. Aired 7-8a ET

Aired August 1, 2020 - 07:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's in the public health best interest of K-12 students to get back in face to face learning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think I would feel better about it if we had stronger mandates in our school system.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Out of the people that could get tested, they find that young people have the ages here between six and 10, 51 percent of them became infected.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't want to go because I'm scared of getting it and.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hurricane Isaias is a very healthy-looking hurricane.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think it's going to be a Cirrus but we still have to take precaution.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are facing unprecedented double threat of a hurricane and a coronavirus pandemic.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The governor says that the state is ready. He says there is plenty of PPE, plenty of supply here.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY WEEKEND with Victor Blackwell and Christi Paul.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: A live look at the White House this morning. Good morning to you. Thank you so much for being with us. There is this new projection from the CDC this morning. They estimate that at least 20,000 more Americans will die from the coronavirus in the next three weeks.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: So far, more than 153,000 people have died in the U.S. There is some hope here Dr. Anthony Fauci says he is "cautiously optimistic that there will be a vaccine by the end of the year."

BLACKWELL: Now, millions of Americans lost the extra unemployment benefit at midnight. Negotiations on a new stimulus package ended with no progress, just deadlock.

PAUL: Also, this morning, several COVID-19 testing sites in Florida have closed as that hurricane barrels toward the state. CNN's Ellison Chinchar is tracking its path right now. Allison, what can you tell us?

ALLISON CHINCHAR, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Yes, so Hurricane Asaias is headed towards Florida with sustained winds of 85 miles per hour, gusting up to 105. We'll talk about exactly where that track is headed and who will be impacted coming up.

PAUL: All right, thank you, and more on that striking projection now from the CDC. CNN's Polo Sandoval following the latest on the coronavirus pandemic. Polo, good morning to you. What are you hearing this morning?

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Christi. What we're hearing here in the New York tri-state area is that a lot of the focus is actually across the river in New Jersey where authorities reported almost 2,000 cases over a four-day span.

That's something that's deeply concerning here for Governor Phil Murphy who says that the levels that they're seeing now, it's the worst they've seen in about a month. You're about to hear from him directly as to what could be behind him, but he is warning residents if he does not see an improvement that he could possibly even roll back re-openings.

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SANDOVAL: The coronavirus may kill another 20,000 Americans by late August according to a sobering fresh forecast from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC projections warn of an increase in reported deaths in Puerto Rico, Washington State, Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee and New Jersey. The governor there says house parties are contributing to COVID spread among young people.

GOV. PHIL MURPHY (D-NJ): We are not past this. Everyone who walks around refusing to wear a mask or who hosts an indoor house party or who over stuffs a boat is directly contributing to these increases.

SANDOVAL: The White House Coronavirus Task Force says COVID cases are plateauing in the hard-hit states of California, Arizona and Texas. Florida is also on that list though it may face further complications with approaching Hurricane Isaias. Nearly 8,400 COVID patients remaining Florida hospitals, and there's a possibility some Floridians through the storm's path may have to turn to shelters. DEAN TRANTALIS (D), MAYOR OF FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA: The storm just

exacerbates the conditions. What it does is it forces people to remain in close quarters, and this is the, this is where we need to get that message out that people need to make sure that those protocols are not sacrificed, that they understand how important it is to wear face masks.

SANDOVAL: This week, Texas became the latest state to surpass New York in the number of COVID cases. The hotspot is in South Texas where death counts are staggering. Ron Rivera, a Funeral Director in hard- hit Hidalgo County says his facility is overwhelmed. They're turning to additional storage for the influx of bodies and worried surviving family members may worsen the spread of the virus.

RON RIVERA, FUNERAL DIRECTOR: It's the loved one of the families that come in to give their condolences to the family, that's where the danger is. And you get all sorts of people coming in at one time, and that's what really makes these families vulnerable to having this, this disease spread amongst the living not, not, not actually dead.

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SANDOVAL: If many schools nearing reopening a new CDC study offers insight into what can happen when young people are allowed to assemble. Researchers looked at a Georgia summer camp, not named in the study, and found high infection rates among campers at that facility. The data shows the camp followed most but not all of the CDC safety guidelines.

DR. ROSHINI RAJAPAKSA, NYU LANGONE HEALTH: As this study shows when you have large groups of people and children, especially, because you really can't expect children to strictly adhere to some of these safety precautions, there is a very high risk of transmission.

SANDOVAL: Students already back in the classroom in Indiana's Hancock County, where the local health department confirmed on the first day of school that a middle schooler tested positive for the virus. Officials with the school district told parents the student was immediately isolated.

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SANDOVAL: Yesterday, one of the head groups that's forecasting this pandemic came out and saying that there are still not enough Americans wearing mask, of course, we're talking about the University of Washington's Institute for Health metrics, and evaluation predicting that we could see close to 230,000 deaths by November, Victor and Christi. But they said, if more Americans cover up, then that number could drop below 200,000. So, of course, a little could go a long way.

PAUL: No doubt. Polo Sandoval, good to see you this morning, thank you. And later this hour, by the way, we're talking with a father whose son was at a summer camp in Georgia where hundreds of people, including children tested positive.

BLACKWELL: President Trump says that he will take executive action to ban TikTok from the U.S. and that could happen potentially today.

PAUL: Yes, and you know how popular this this video app is. The thing is, it's owned by a Chinese company. So, critics fear that data from U.S. users because it could end up in the hands of the Chinese government. CNN's Kristen Holmes is that the White House. Kristen, you know, the President has said a lot in the past about what his power is, is does he have the power to do this? And what is the specific reasoning for doing this right now?

KRISTEN HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Christi and Victor. Well, that's the question because we just don't know enough about what exactly this will look like. President Trump was very vague and how exactly he's going to ban this app. He said that he could use emergency economic powers. At one point, he said that he could also use some sort of an executive action.

So, without knowing exactly what the language will look like, it's impossible to see whether or not, one, he can do this and what kind of legal challenges will be risen when he does in fact put something out? But this is coming at a time where there are also reports that Microsoft was in talks with TikTok to acquire their U.S. operations. President Trump said that he was not in favor of that deal, he told that to reporters when he was announcing this ban on TikTok.

And it also comes at a time in which the U.S. government is doing a national security review of the app. And Christi, I just kind of want to repeat what you said there, why is this a big deal? While it is a Chinese-owned app, it is wildly popular here in the U.S. and across western countries, really across the world. You're talking about hundreds of millions of downloads. And as you said, it has raised a lot of concerns that the U.S. data is somehow going to end up in the hands of the Chinese government.

Now, take a listen to what TikTok had to say about that. They issued a statement that said: "TikTok U.S. user data is stored in the U.S. with strict controls on employee access. TikTok's biggest investors come from the U.S. We are committed to protecting our users' privacy and safety as we continue working to bring joy to families and meaningful careers to those who create on our platform."

And of course, as you know, we've played their videos morning after morning over the weekend, a lot of people during this pandemic have turned to TikTok. But that security threat is real. We know that the Army and the Navy have banned TikTok on government issued phones. We know that the Pentagon urged its employees to uninstall the app. And most recently, Joe Biden's campaign told their staff to delete the app off of their phone.

Now, critics of President Trump are saying that this is some sort of retaliation for the fact that people use that app to really inflate the numbers for that Tulsa rally, which we know ended up embarrassing President Trump and ending actually having the removal of his campaign manager there. But again, while critics are saying that, this again, is also a very real security concern for people.

BLACKWELL: All right, Kristen Holmes, for us at the White House. Thank you.

PAUL: Coming up, there's these frightening numbers of positive COVID tests from kids who attended a sleepaway camp in Georgia. We're talking to a parent whose son went to that camp. Next.

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BLACKWELL: And of course, tracking Hurricane Isaias says it's headed toward South Florida. Of course, that could create some problems as this coronavirus surge continues and it impacts testing.

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BLACKWELL: So, there are hurricane warnings in effect for several counties across Florida and along the East Coast. The state is bracing for heavy rains and flooding from Hurricane Isaias and that could impact the surge of COVID-19 cases across the state. We know the storm has already flooded parts of Puerto Rico and the Caribbean, also knocked out power for, for many people there.

PAUL: CNN Meteorologist Allison Chinchar is checking the storm for us here. I know the Bahamas, they're getting hit right now, how badly?

CHINCHAR: Pretty bad. You've got some very gusty winds across portions of the Bahamas but I would like to emphasize that some of those outer bands from the storm are already starting to push into areas of Florida. You have 40-mile-per-hour gusts across portions of South Florida, as even knowing that it's pretty so far away. Right now, Hurricane Isaias' sustained winds of 85 miles per hour gusting to 105. That forward movement to the Northwest at about 12 miles per hour.

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At the same time yesterday, it was about 17 miles per hour. So, we have started to notice it begin to slow down on its approach of Florida. That does not mean that Florida will not have impacts from this. What it means is the timeline will be shifted, but that's basically about it. We still anticipate a Category One storm to slide either right along the coast or perhaps just slightly inland of Florida as we get into the day on Sunday.

It will ride them up the coast potentially impacting not only the Carolinas, but all the way up through the Northeast as we get into Tuesday and Wednesday of next week. So, this is a storm we're going to have to keep an eye on for at least the next five days. You have hurricane warnings, tropical storm warnings and even Tropical Storm watches up and down the East Coast of Florida.

Mainly talking about the winds, you are going to have gusty winds for the next 48 hours there and outages will be likely. Looking at the forecast radar as it continues to slide not only today but in through tomorrow. Look at some of those heavy bands, they will stretch the entire width of the state of Florida. So, even places like Tampa, St. Petersburg are likely going to get rain from this particular system before it then continues up to the north. When we talk about winds, the red area here, cities like Melbourne

Jupiter are likely to get some of those winds around 74 miles per hour or even higher. Further to the West, Fort Lauderdale between about 58 to 73 miles per hour. And Orlando even though even though they are pretty far inland, they could still see some wind gusts up around 60 miles per hour.

Storm surge is also going to be one of the biggest factors with this particular storm, especially from Jupiter all the way up towards Jacksonville where you could get two to four feet. Please keep in mind, Monday is a full moon which means a lot of these areas are going to be experiencing some of the highest tides they will have all month, coinciding with Isa yes as it slides up the East Coast.

Now, we also talk about rainfall. But oddly, the rainfall isn't likely to be the highest across Florida, it's actually expected to be at its highest likely across the Carolinas, mostly because it will push farther inland allowing more of that right hand side of the storm, which is traditionally where you have the majority of your moisture will be able to push into the Carolinas, and even up through the Northeast. So, even states like Massachusetts, New York, likely to get several inches of rain out of this particular storm.

Here you can see that Florida, mostly about one to three inches, then you get to the Carolinas, two to four inches with some spots of six to 10. But even up to the north, Victor and Christi, again, New York, Philadelphia, Boston, two to four inches is not out of the question as the system comes up there at the middle portion of next week.

BLACKWELL: All right, we all got to get ready. Allison Chinchar, thank you so much.

CHINCHAR: Thanks.

PAUL: So, we're going to give you some new details from the CDC that we're getting today. Hundreds of people who attended that summer camp in Georgia have now tested positive for coronavirus. This is a study that found at least 44 percent of the campers and counselors became affected.

Now, the camp followed some, not all, of the CDC recommendations to prevent the spread of COVID-19. After studying the details of what happened at the camp, the CDC says it shows what to expect when schools reopen as well. Now, I want to bring in Tom Maiellaro, his son attended the camp in Georgia, where that virus broke out. Tom, good to see you this morning.

TOM MAIELLARO, PARENT: Thank you so much.

PAUL: Thomas is doing well, right?

MAIELLARO: He is. He's doing very well.

PAUL: OK. So, when you first got the call you, you sent him to camp. I know you had him tested before he went. When you first got the call or the e-mail saying after three days, they were sending all the kids home, what did you think?

MAIELLARO: Well, my wife and I, we felt just we said: "darn it." You know, the camp had done everything they possibly could to ensure that our kids were safe. And they had the best laid plans. So, when it happened, we just, you know, we called and we said, you know, should we pick them up and we went and pick him up and that was pretty much it.

PAUL: So, we do know that there were a couple of things that did not go right for them in terms of what they were doing. The kids were not wearing masks, which is one of the things the CDC said, CDC said that they should have been doing. You knew the protocols, I understand, before you sent Thomas there. Did you have any trepidations about sending him?

MAIELLARO: Not really. The camp and the director did an amazing job of keeping us all up to date on what was going on, their preparation, the e-mails, the videos they sent out. Again, all the kids in the camp counselors were tested and everyone was tested negative.

So, when we sent Thomas there, you know, we felt secure, you know, when we drove up and dropped him off and all the counselors wearing masks, and this was before -- this was the week of June 22nd.

So, this was the week before mass really became a huge deal. You know, we told him, wash your hands, make sure you're staying with 10 people. You know, keep yourself. His camp, his, his pod was separated from everybody. So, we felt really secure and everything that the camp did, and him being there. And camp is just such part of life for us that we were, he needs this, he needs, he needed this experience based on you know, school closing and I mean, not closing, but him being virtual and so forth for so long.

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PAUL: Yes, there are a lot of parents that understand what you're saying right now about the need for kids to have their social interaction and in all transparency, and I'm sorry, forgot to say this right off the top, I meant to, but my daughter goes to this camp. My kids have gone to this camp. My daughter was supposed to go back and be a counselor this year.

She went to the three-day training she tested beforehand as they mandated, she was negative. She tested right after and before she was supposed to go to camp, she was negative again, but then they cancelled it. She never ended up going herself. Now, I know that you said Thomas came home and he was sick, but you thought it was strep?

MAIELLARO: He actually was confirmed. That's what you know, we -- he came home with a sore throat and we thought that was just from being at camp, the yelling and the screaming and the jubilation that they have when they're there. And then, after a couple of days, he was like, my throat still hurts. So, we did the tele-doc.

The doc said, bring them in. They had a rapid test. So, within two hours, we knew that he was confirmed with strep throat, and COVID. But when we got him on the amoxicillin, he felt fine. So, we did the whole isolation.

We brought our family and we moved him into his brother's room that had his own bathroom, and actually had a two-week quarantine, which was pretty amazing because he got served by his parents for two weeks. The only thing he was lacking was a bell to ring when he needed something.

PAUL: Yes, we're not giving the bell. There's no doubt about that.

MAIELLARO: No, he didn't get the bell.

PAUL: So, at the end of the day, does what happened there at the camp, does that shape the way you view what should happen now as we're talking about sending kids back to school?

MAIELLARO: Well, that's a really good question. I'm torn on that. Listen, there's no substitute for in-person learning. We all know that. I want my kids to go to school, my kids want to school, go to school, their friends want to go to school. I mean, I think they're, they're really -- I think they're dying a little bit from not having the interaction that they used to have.

But we know that the best laid plans as we saw with camp, something could happen. So, if I had the opportunity to send my kids back to school face to face, I would, but I think there would be more education on their part about what to do. Definitely, wearing a mask right now washing hands and trying to keep as much social distance as we can or as they can.

PAUL: And real quickly knowing what you know now -- real quickly, knowing what you know now, would you still send him to camp?

MAIELLARO: Absolutely. mean camp is such a part of every kid's life that I would, but I think there'd be more education again, for him on what to do to try to avoid those particular situations that something may occur that he would catch the virus.

PAUL: All right. Tom Maiellaro, we're glad Thomas is OK. Thank you so much for getting up early for us. We appreciate it.

MAIELLARO: Thank you.

PAUL: Sure.

MAIELLARO: All right. Take care.

PAUL: You too.

BLACKWELL: And of course, the question is now what do you do with this information as we look ahead to schools safely reopening parents, teachers, students all have those questions. We got a guest next who says there is no absolute right answer here. What to do when the number of cases starts to rise in schools? You get to take the case from a teacher, we'll talk about that.

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REP. STEVE SCALISE (R-LA): You think that schools should safely reopen this fall within person learning?

DR. ROBERT REDFIELD, DIRECTOR, CDC: Yes, I think it's important to realize that it's in the public health best interest of K-12 students to get back in face to face learning. There's really very significant public health consequences of the school closure.

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BLACKWELL: Some students are already back in the classroom; most are still a few weeks out from the start of the school year and most people agree that there will be cases in schools. The question is how to prepare for when that happens? So, with us now, we have with us Emily Oster, an Economist at Brown University. Professor, thanks so much for being with us this morning.

EMILY OSTER, PROFESSOR OF ECONOMICS, BROWN UNIVERSITY: Thanks for having me.

BLACKWELL: OK. So, let's start here with this op-ed, that you wrote the New York Times. You write that the first part of the plan that schools and school districts should come up with should recognize that schools should not open in-person until cases of the virus and the surrounding areas are low -- and you acknowledge that low is going to be hard to come up with a precise number. But for parents, for families, what should they look for if it's their choice?

OSTER: So, I think that what families should be looking for is first that the school has a good prevention plan. So, that means making sure that their hand -- the kids are hand washing, making sure they're distancing, wearing masks, doing some tracking of symptoms.

But then at the same time, I think they should be looking for, you know, what is this school going to do if and when they see a case? How are they going to isolate? How much are they getting close?

Are they going to close the classroom at home school? Because all of those are going to be part of both the public health safety peace for parents but also the planning for what are they going to do as the school year unfolds?

BLACKWELL: Yes, let's talk about that because you highlighted the CDC is clear about what to do if a student or a faculty member or staff member is diagnosed with COVID-19, but not much after that; they leave it up to the school district or to the health professionals. Is that the right plan? I mean, should these, we're still weeks out, these, these guidelines be a little more clear?

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OSTER: I think it would be helpful for schools and planning if the guidelines were, were a little more clear. But you know, some of it is going to depend a little bit on how isolated groups are within a school. So, I can see that there's value in allowing schools to make these choices for themselves.

So, thinking them at the distinction between, you know, what do you do if there's a case in the classroom if the classroom is able to be very isolated? Maybe you can isolate your quarantine or symptom tracking to that group as opposed to having like an entire floor or an area of the school -- of a school isolated.

So, I see some value. But I think many schools and school districts and parents are finding themselves a little bit lost in the absence of something very specific.

BLACKWELL: You know what I'm not hearing from school districts, and we've been had this conversation for weeks now, is the specifics about when to call it. Right?

Is there a specific number? I'm not asking you for the number, but should each school district come up with a threshold that if hospitalizations reach this percentage or ICU bed availability drops to this, or transmission rates rises to this specific number, we're going to suspend in-person classes. Should the plans be that specific now?

OSTER: So, I am always very cautious about being so specific, in part, because there are all of those things you would want to be looking at. So, when people ask, I say, I think, the way that you should probably structure this is to say here are the things people will think about.

It will be all of the things you list. That hospitalizations, you know, transmission rates, testing positivity rates, what is happening inside the school. That there should be a group at the school district or at the school level that looks at all of those things and that is pre-specified what they're going to look at.

But maybe doesn't go so far as to say, OK, if hospitalizations are above this number, because those kind of thresholds are subject to some reporting. They are like a little bit fuzzy, so I think we want to be able to look holistically.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

OSTER: But I think, you do need a plan what you're going to look at and what are you looking at.

BLACKWELL: Is the K-through-12 conversation too broad? I mean, we know the study that shows that children, 11 and older transmit the virus much like adults, and then, 10 and under, not so much.

Should we be having a K through five, and then, a junior high and senior high conversation?

OSTER: Yes, I think so, and I think, it's for two reasons. One is what you say that younger kids transmit less effectively. They are less likely to be -- to be infected than older kids. But the other is that I think there's huge differences in the extent to which these groups can learn effectively remotely.

High school kids are much more easily able to transition to remote learning than kindergarteners. And so, just sort of lump those altogether, I think, misses both public health differences and the learning differences.

BLACKWELL: All right, Professor Emily Oster, thank you so much. And I advise everyone to go read that op-ed discussing -- look, it's inevitable that there will be cases, the question is what will you do then?

Thanks so much for being with us this morning.

PAUL: So, we're going to be talking about the next school year throughout the morning. In fact, at 10:00, we're going to be joined by the president of Rice University of Houston, from purpose-built facilities to rapid testing for students. How his school is preparing for the fall semester?

BLACKWELL: Plus, the top infectious disease expert in the U.S. says that he's cautiously optimistic about having a vaccine before the end of the year. But, even if there is one, has politics undermined your confidence in using it?

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DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: There's never a guarantee that you going to get a safe and effective vaccine. But from everything we've seen now in the animal data, as well as the early human data, we feel cautiously optimistic that we will have a vaccine by the end of this year and as we go into 2021. So, I don't think it's dreaming, Congresswoman. I believe it's a reality.

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PAUL: That was the nation's top infectious disease expert, obviously, Dr. Anthony Fauci, saying that he's optimistic the vaccine being developed by Moderna and his agency will be successful and be ready by the end of the year.

BLACKWELL: So, the first phase, three clinical trial in the U.S. started this week. About 30,000 volunteers signed up to be tested.

PAUL: With us now to discuss the latest on possible vaccines and treatments, Dr. Amesh Adalja, senior scholar at Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. Thank you so much, doctor, for being with us.

I want to ask you about the head of Operation Warp Speed said on Thursday that he wouldn't be surprised if a vaccine turned out to be 90 percent effective against the virus. Dr. Fauci, says, well, time is going to tell us that. But is 90 percent effective attainable?

DR. AMESH ADALJA, SENIOR SCHOLAR, JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY CENTER FOR HEALTH SECURITY: It would be a very high bar to reach. We don't know if our first-generation vaccines will be what we call something that gives us sterilizing immunity, meaning, prevents you from getting infected. Or will it be something that prevent you from having complications, being hospitalized?

Any of those would be a win. 90 percent is a high bar and that's what we see in our best vaccines like the measles vaccine, but we shouldn't release -- we shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of the good, and we should really look for a vaccine that just decreases the complications. That would really change the whole game.

BLACKWELL: The public health, in this case, will require public confidence, we know. And we heard from Dr. Fauci yesterday about the confidence that Americans should have in the vaccine that's coming, although we know that some people will be reluctant. Here is what Dr. Fauci said.

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FAUCI: The commissioner of FDA, Dr. Stephen Hahn, has assured me and has spoken publicly that he would make sure any decision on the part of the FDA will be based on sound, scientific data proving the safety and efficacy.

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BLACKWELL: The FDA commissioner also declined to say whether the president was right or wrong when he said that 99 percent of coronavirus cases were completely harmless. Of course, there's what we're seeing with the CDC and the softening of guidance for schools and rushing states to be open, and governors saying that you know, maybe they opened too soon.

Has or can politics impact one's willingness to take this vaccine?

ADALJA: Definitely that can be the case. We've seen that with the rise of the anti-vaccine movement being enabled by celebrities and politicians like RFK Jr., for example. So, we have to be important -- we -- it's very important that we are very clear about what the risk and benefit of this vaccine is, and what the data is, what this -- what the side effect profile is, and what age groups different side effects occur.

We want to be very open and transparent about this because we know that there are going to be voices from politics, from the culture that are going to tell people not to get this vaccine.

And we saw that during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic influenza vaccination campaign. It had the lowest uptake of a flu vaccines. So, we really have to be careful. We're in a different era now where people do have this distrust of expertise that's really coming from the top down. And we want to make sure that we have a safe and effective vaccine. And I think that's going to be the case, but we really need to work on public health communication because it doesn't matter if we have a vaccine if it's not getting into the arms of Americans.

PAUL: OK. So, if it doesn't matter if we have a vaccine, as you said if it doesn't get into people, and there could be questions about that for some people, what about a treatment? Are there fewer conversations going on to find at least a treatment for this -- for this virus that might give people some more confidence?

ADALJA: We definitely have a lot more tools now in July of 2020 than we did in March. We have I.V. Remdesivir, which has an FDA emergency use authorization. We have the use of steroids, and both of these are used in hospitalized patients to either decrease the length of stay or to decrease mortality, and these are really great tools.

There are other tools that are in the -- in the pipeline as well. Convalescent plasma, getting the blood from survivors. And we're seeing some good observational data that shows that this might decrease mortality, but we need to see that in a randomized control trial.

We also hearing about monoclonal antibodies, which were synthetic antibodies that are in phase three clinical trials that are looking good. So, I do think we will likely have a treatment in the fall that will modulate how severe this can be in hospitalized patients.

We don't have something like a Tamiflu equivalent, something that we can give patients as outpatients that will keep them out of a hospital. If we had that, that would be a great tool. But we're not -- we're not there yet.

We're looking mostly at treatments for hospitalized patients which I think are very welcome.

BLACKWELL: You know, there was also an interesting exchange yesterday about some of the research that's happening outside the U.S. and U.K., namely, China and Russia. Here is what Dr. Fauci said.

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FAUCI: I do hope that the Chinese and Russians are actually testing the vaccine before they are administering the vaccine to anyone. Because claims of having a vaccine ready to distribute before you do testing, I think, is problematic at best.

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BLACKWELL: So, what's the protocol there? If the Russians or the Chinese say that we have the vaccine, do we start in the U.S. at phase one for testing here or what's -- what happens then?

ADALJA: It all depends upon the vaccine. And we know that China and Russia are developing vaccines. And China actually has one that already has provisional approval to be used in the Chinese military and we always questioned about, you know, if military officers are really informed when they're getting vaccinated with these vaccine. We've seen some phase one data from the Chinese study that looks somewhat promising. We don't know exactly how robust the data is.

And if one of those vaccines happens to be first, and it, it is often the case that sometimes, United States isn't the first with the vaccine, we'd want to look at that data with scrutiny, make sure that it actually safe and effective and replicable. And probably do some mini version of a trial in the United States before that would get approval by the FDA.

But I do think we need to look at other countries as well and it's going to be important to make sure that the data integrity is intact. And it's going to be challenging because there are many different candidates out there, and we don't know which vaccine is actually going to cross the finish line first.

PAUL: All right. Doctor Amesh Adalja, so glad to have you with us. Thank you.

ADALJA: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: Millions of people who were struggling to just keep up financially during the pandemic have now lost unemployment benefits. Our financial expert is going to be here to talk about what he sees as the next round of stimulus, this path forward, and how lawmakers can help keep this economy going.

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PAUL: You spend more time at home and realized maybe you had a few more inches to waistlines? It does not have to be that way. Nutritionist Lisa Drayer shares with us some ways to eat better during this pandemic.

LISA DRAYER, CNN HEALTH CONTRIBUTOR: Here is my guide to fighting fat without giving up taste. A broth-based soup when eaten before a meal is proven to help you eat fewer calories. That's because when water is paired with food, digestion is slowed down, which helps your stomach stay fuller longer.

Remember, broth-based is best. Cream-based soups often have more fat and calories. A spinach salad can also have big benefits for your waistline. Spinach like other green plants is a source of compounds called, thylakoids, which may help curve the urge to snack, according to studies.

A couple of ways to get the leafy green into your diet is by adding spinach to a smoothie or by pureeing it into a soup. Flaxseed can also help you eat less. The fiber in flaxseed keeps you feeling satisfied without contributing any calories.

Research has also revealed that the fiber in flaxseed helps to suppress appetite. How do you eat it? Sprinkle it on top of yogurt or add a tablespoon of ground flaxseed to your serial or smoothie.

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PAUL: Well, a $600 federal unemployment checks that have kept millions of people afloat in this pandemic, they're done as of today. And the infections are rising in some places, there are fears of another shutdown. So, where are the leaders, you might be asking right now?

Congress is away. They're gone for the weekend. They still can't agree on how to move forward with the stimulus package. And a lot of families are asking, how do I plan for what could come next?

Well, financial expert Ted Jenkin is here to give us a little more insight. Ted, it's always good to have you here. Thank you so much.

TED JENKIN, FOUNDER, OXYGEN FINANCIAL: Thank you.

PAUL: So, first of all, help us understand how serious the unemployment numbers really are.

JENKIN: I mean, it's pretty bad, Christi. Last month, national unemployment was 11.1 percent, and I suspect that it will actually get worse this month here as initial jobless claims have gone up.

And Christi, since March 20th, initial jobless claims had been 53 million people in America. And why people need this $600 whose continuous claims are almost 18 million people per week. And I think people need to remember in America that more than 70 percent of the people today are in service-based jobs, Christi.

So, when you look at areas like restaurants and retail that have been hammered right now. Even Yelp had a study that said 60 percent of the restaurants that said they were going to temporarily shut down are now going to be permanently closed.

And we have cities in America, Christi, like Detroit, that are 30 percent unemployment, Boston at 19 percent unemployment. So, you could tell people, go back to work and get a job, Christi. But this is like turning the Queen Elizabeth in a bathtub. You can't just make unemployment go from 12 percent to four percent overnight.

PAUL: Yes. So, what proposals are on the table right now that might give you a little bit of hope or skepticism?

JENKIN: Well, I mean, Christi, look, how would you like to go to work today and take a 65 percent pay cut. That's what's going to happen to Americans. The average American was getting $921 a week. They're going to go down to $321 a week.

And let's remember, 75 days ago, on May 15th, Congress passed the HEROES Act which would have extended this $600 of unemployment benefit until January of 2021. So, the GOP, all they have come to the table with right now is this extra $200 a week at extended unemployment benefit. And a proposal that says you'll get up to about 70 percent of your overall wages.

But there are lot of people, Christi, in the gig economy, 1,099 contractors. So, it will be very difficult for them. And Mitt Romney came at the late stage proposal this week to start unemployment benefits at $500, and solely move them down to $300.

So, you don't want to pay people more money to not work, Christi, than to work. But at the same token, we simply can't leave millions and Americans in a lurch here and in dire financial straits.

PAUL: Right. So, what do we do from that? What is the next step in your opinion?

JENKIN: Look, and here is my take on this, Christi. The next 90 days, we need to extend this unemployment of $600. Just until politicians can get their heads together and figure this out. In the long term, we have to have job creation. I would recommend a dual-headed infrastructure plan. One for traditional things like roads and bridges and dilapidated schools.

And then, also we have digital infrastructure, Christi. So many people are going to be working at home right now that we've got a simply had bigger and faster broadband. Think about this, imagine doing a telemedicine appointment and your doctor is trying to talk about a rash that you have, and all of a sudden it says, Internet connection unstable. We don't -- we don't want that.

So, we've got to have fed keep interest rates low for the next 12 months. That will be important as well.

PAUL: Good to know. Ted Jenkin, always appreciate getting your insight. Thank you, sir.

JENKIN: Thanks, Christi.

BLACKWELL: Hurricane Isaias is making the impact in the Bahamas this morning. The storm is on a path to hit Florida. Meteorologist Alisson Chinchar will give us an update, live, next.

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PAUL: Well, this Sunday on an all new "UNITED SHADES OF AMERICA", W. Kamau Bell explores inequities in the public education system to two very different school districts near Cleveland, Ohio. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To understand where students are going, you have to know where they're come from. Right, I wanted to know, what does it mean that a zip code can tell you so much more about where a child is going to end up -- any of the fact that you can learn about the child.

We need to base should that we understand not just the differences between students' test scores and all that kind of stuff, we need to understand how inequality works and how it's localized within enable us in schools.

I was admitted to George Washington Carver Middle School. And assistant principal saw me fooling around with two of my best friends, she walked to me and said, you don't have a potential to be at Carver, right?

W. KAMAU BELL, CNN HOST: It's not what you say to a kid.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. What was funny about that is that they created an award for the best school -- best student in the school, my eight- grade year, because the things I did and she had to hand it to me. So --

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PAUL: "UNITED SHADES OF AMERICA" airs tomorrow night at 10:00 right here on CNN.

BLACKWELL: And the next hour of your NEW DAY starts right now.

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REDFIELD: It's in the public health best interest that K-through-12 students to get back to face-to-face learning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think I would feel better about it if we had stronger mandates in our school system to keep us safe.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Out of the people that could get tested, they find that young people, and I have the ages here between 6 and 10, 51 percent of them became infected.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't want to go because I'm scared of getting it. And --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hurricane Isaias is a very healthy-looking hurricane.