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Biden Taking Questions After Meeting with Governors; CDC Recommends Against Travel for Thanksgiving. Aired 4:30-5p ET

Aired November 19, 2020 - 16:30   ET

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JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT-ELECT: The answer was, I would follow the science. I am not going to shut down the economy, period. I'm going to shut down the virus. That's what I'm going to shut down.

REPORTER: So that's ruled out?

BIDEN: I'll say again, no national shutdown. No national shutdown, because every region, every area, every community is -- can be different. And so, there's no circumstance which I can see that would require total national shutdown. I think that would be counterproductive.

But there are constraints in which the degree to which businesses can be open. For example, it's one thing to say that you can have -- in a state where their infection rate is not as high, you can have a gymnasium open. It's another thing to say it can only be open four hours a day with X number of people.

The church I go, my Catholic Church, not a lot more than 40 percent of the people are -- to come into the church. Those are rational decisions. It's not shutting down everything. It's calibrating based on what the threat is.

REPORTER: Thank you, Mr. President-elect.

BIDEN: Thank you.

REPORTER: Thank you, Mr. Vice President-elect and vice -- thank you, Mr. President-elect and Vice President-elect Harris.

A question for you first, which is, what do you make of the fact that the president is having these calls with Michigan county officials amid his bid to overturn the election? He's going to be having also Michigan republican legislatures at the White House tomorrow.

Is anything that he's doing making you rethink your strategy?

I know you say that you don't want legal action right now.

And what do you say to Americans, especially immigrant Americans who came to the United States, looking for political stability and seeing all the things that the president is doing?

BIDEN: Hang on. I'm on my way. That's what I say to them. Not a joke.

And what the president is doing now is really -- it's going to be another incident where he will go down in history as being one of the most irresponsible presidents in American history. It's just out of the -- not even within the norm at all. There's questions whether it's even legal, but it's going to be interesting to see who shows up in this call to meet with the leadership.

And -- but this is going to -- we won Michigan. It's going to be certified. We're going to end up making clear that they are, and making clear that we won. But it just -- I just -- it's hard to fathom how this man thinks. It's hard to fathom.

I'm confident he knows he hasn't won. He's not going to be able to win and we're going to be sworn in January 20th, and I just, you know -- far from me to question his motive. It's just outrageous what he's doing.

REPORTER: As he -- as he ups the things that he's doing, calling officials, is it making you rethink your strategy at all? Is there anything that he would be doing that would make you say, OK, we really have to go to court now, or are you still watching what he's doing and saying we can still kind of wait and see what happens?

BIDEN: I'm not going to rule anything out, or anything in. But at the moment, the strategy is going to -- is not changing.

REPORTER: And if I could ask a question to the vice president-elect, would that be OK?

BIDEN: Sure.

REPORTER: Vice President-elect Harris, you talked about your state -- your state experience. My question is, is there anything you heard from governors today that made you specifically concerned about vulnerable populations, especially as I talk to Americans who say I don't have the privilege to work from home? I don't have the privilege to social distance if I'm living in a house with multi-generations.

Are you -- did you hear anything that concerns you specifically? And what can we do for them as a country?

SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA), VICE PRESIDENT-ELECT: Well, as the president-elect shared with everyone, we heard a lot from the governors, including that, including the concern that African- Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, people who live in rural communities, people who, as groups of people have historically been under-resourced and underserved.

So, there was consensus among the governors, a bipartisan consensus that our federal strategy should reflect those concerns in the way we'll support those states with the resources they'll need to get to the folks who have been often overlooked or ignored and the president- elect, I think, has made it very clear that it's one of our highest priorities to support that.

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As you may know, in the Senate, I actually led what we called a racial disparities task force, and that approach is something that we will be incorporating in our administration to ensure that all people have equal access to resources, but also taking into account equitable distribution of resources based on need.

REPORTER: Thank you, President-elect Biden and Vice President-elect.

BIDEN: Let me add to that.

One important thing to understand is, there is a -- we talked a lot about this and we talked about it and we talked about it when I was running and seeking the nomination as well. And that is that the idea of the brown, black, Asian-American, Native American communities are always the first ones hit the hardest and the last ones who are brought back. We're going to flip that around.

It's going to be really important to determine priorities based upon access to the information that's available, access to everything from the vaccine to other opportunities to be able to deal with helping the country, part of the country that's been hurt the worst. You know, three times as many African-Americans have died than white Americans died from COVID.

So, there has to be a prioritization. That's why I'd like to know exactly what this -- what this administration has in mind in terms of their Operation Warp Speed and how they plan it. That's what we talked with the governors today.

They all mentioned the need to focus on the communities left behind, particularly Governor Cuomo. It's one thing -- for example, vaccines distributed in all the Walgreens of America. I'm not -- no criticism of Walgreens, but, you know, there's a lot of those facilities that aren't in rural communities and are not in poor communities, African- American, Latino communities. So, we've got to make sure there's access for them.

REPORTER: Thank you so much.

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BIDEN: Okay, thank you.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: All right. President-elect Joe Biden, and even for a little bit there, Vice President-elect Harris. Biden warning of a dark winter still ahead, as the U.S. battles coronavirus. President- elect Biden underscoring that his administration will be delayed in terms of getting up to speed on handling the pandemic because of outgoing President Trump's obstruction and refusal to concede. He called it totally irresponsibility. He said it sends a horrible message about who we are as a country around the world.

Biden also vowed to deliver economic relief. He said he discussed the implementation of a national mask mandate in his virtual meeting earlier today with ten governors, five from each major party. Let's discuss.

Arlette Saenz is in Wilmington, Delaware, for us.

Arlette, we just heard the president-elect effectively rule out a national shutdown, despite surges in coronavirus. What did he say he would support instead?

ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jake, you heard Joe Biden hone in on COVID-19 once again. And one of the things that he talked about was that mask mandate that he wants to see implemented nationwide. He said that it's not -- wearing a mask is not a political statement but it's a patriotic duty.

But part of the reality for Joe Biden is that he cannot implement a national mask mandate himself. He's going to need the support and the sign on from governors and local officials who would be the ones who can actually implement that going forward.

You also heard Biden talking about the fact that he doesn't have access to key administration plans right now when it comes to the distribution of a vaccine. He said there's no reason that they shouldn't be able to talk about this and discuss these plans so that his own administration isn't in a delayed position when they take office in January.

TAPPER: And, Dana, the president-elect has called outgoing President Trump's refusal to concede, he called it, quote, incredibly irresponsible and a damaging message to send to the rest of the world. But he also said he was not going to take any legal action, at least right now, to get access to any of the briefing materials, because he doesn't think it would speed up the process.

At what point might the Biden/Harris transition team change its mind and decide that they need to actually take legal action?

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: It sounds, from what he said, they'll kind of know it when they see it, but he's very resistant because of the timeframe we're talking about. I mean, it's already November, you know, 19th, 20th. I think that's the date today.

And we are -- about almost two months until the day that he will raise his right hand and be sworn in as the 46th president. So, you know, legal action sometimes takes longer than that. This is an exceptional circumstance, but what he said, which was really interesting, is that he is relying on the experience he has and the relationships that he has.

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The issue, though, Jake as you know, those relationships haven't born fruit in his former -- to the United States Senate almost at all, except for a couple of people like Mitt Romney.

Where it has born fruit is with these governors, who are the chief executives of these states. They are on the front lines, particularly on the issue of the pandemic, and they are eager to work with him. I thought it was really noteworthy that he made a point of saying that they, in a bipartisan way, congratulated them on their win.

That was not an accident. He wanted to get that out there.

TAPPER: Yeah. And, Abby, I just want to shift for one second to talk about this craziness that we're hearing from the other side of the aisle with Rudy Giuliani and this conspiracy theorist, Sidney Powell, and others, laying out their plan. No evidence of malfeasance or fraud that would undermine the election conclusions that have already happened, but Giuliani said something quite telling earlier today when discussing their plans for, you know, reversing the results of this free and democratic election.

Giuliani said it changes the results of the election in Michigan if you take out Wayne County. Wayne County is the most populous county in Michigan. It's where Detroit is.

This really seems to be coming down to a plot to disenfranchise millions of legitimate American votes, many of them black voters, black Americans who voted completely legally and now the Trump team wants to take away their votes.

ABBY PHILLIP, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, I mean exactly. There's no other way to put it. They want to throw out the votes in Wayne County in Michigan. They want to throw out the votes in Milwaukee County in Wisconsin and Philadelphia County in Pennsylvania.

It's not an accident that those are all the places that they are so concerned about this fabrication of voter fraud, that they're willing to disenfranchise virtually all the people who live in those places, but not any of the other people in other parts of the state where allegedly much of this invented conduct is happening as well.

Look, the Republicans have long said to me that they think that when Democrats accuse them of voter suppression and when they accuse them of racism because of allegations of voter suppression, that it's unfair. The problem is that President Trump, right now, is making voter suppression and disenfranchisement explicit for millions of black voters who live in these major cities. So, right now, the president is making his agenda very clear.

And it's up to the Republican Party to decide whether this is what they want their platform to be. It cannot be that they're only concerned about fraud in only the parts of a state where the majority of minority voters live. If they're concerned about fraud, they should be concerned about it everywhere.

TAPPER: And, of course, there is no evidence of widespread fraud. Anything that would shift the election results in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin or Georgia.

I think they just -- Republicans just lost another lawsuit in the last hour in Arizona. It's all just embarrassing. And it's not just President Trump tweeting it. The Republican National

Committee is actually tweeting out that insane hot mess of a press conference that Rudy had earlier today.

Thanks so much.

I want to bring in right now, John Dickerson. He's a correspondent for CBS's "60 Minutes" and he's the author of a great book. It's called "The Hardest Job in the World: The American Presidency."

And, John, thanks so much for joining us.

One of the things that you know better than most journalists is how difficult the transition process is, even in the best circumstances. So, explain why this is a big issue that the president -- the outgoing president, that his petulance is preventing this transition from happening. What does that mean in a tangible, real way?

JOHN DICKERSON, CORRESPONDENT, 60 MINUTES: It's great to be with you again, Jake.

What it means, you're right. This has a real cost. Under normal circumstances in a transition, you have to take over a $2 trillion operation with 4 million people working for you. Then you have to hire 4,000 people, 1,500 of whom have to get Senate confirmation. You have to do all of that in 70 days.

That's a very hard task. It's made harder by the fact that the minute you get into the job, you get surprised by all the things you didn't know about before you were president. President Obama just told us in his new book that he was giving his inaugural address and had a passage ready because there was a terrorist threat and the passage was going to be the evacuation procedures for the millions of people who gathered on the Mall.

So, he barely had the job and was already dealing with a possible mass casualty event.

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The presidency starts immediately. And so, it's already hard enough with the 70-odd days you get to a transition.

Well, now, there's a pandemic. There's an economic collapse, and Joe Biden is being kept from the information that will allow him to select the right people, although it's an interesting piece of news that he has picked his treasury secretary already.

TAPPER: Yeah.

DICKERSON: But also, you can't get them vetted by the FBI, because you don't have access to the FBI and you can't get your team working sort of in the batting practice and practicing.

What kind of practicing do you do? Well, before the Trump administration, they worked with the outgoing Obama administration on an exercise of what they would do if there was a pandemic that hit from Asia.

So, this is real learning that could help a new administration and that Biden is being denied.

TAPPER: And just to underline it, this has nothing to do with helping Biden, per se. It's about helping the American people. This isn't like, oh, this is something fancy that Joe Biden can enjoy. He's getting coffee privileges, right?

I mean, this is about --

DICKERSON: No.

TAPPER: -- protecting us.

DICKERSON: Exactly.

So, there's a law that was passed in Congress that said transitions should start six months before the election, which means you don't even know who the incoming president is going to be, but because transitions are so important, you have to start the work early, because there needs to be a smooth handover because the job is so complicated and because you -- even though this is a very experienced team that's coming with a Biden operation, it still requires -- there's just a great deal of complexity.

And what they learn, particularly after the attacks of 9/11, is that because there was a delay in the transition with the Bush team, a delay because there was a court inquiry at the end of the vote, that they were basically behind in the Bush national security team and that put them behind in evaluating the threat from al Qaeda before the attacks of 9/11.

There are real-world consequences here. There is longstanding bipartisan support for starting the work early so that every administration can get up to speed as best as possible. And the people who have done this the best are the George W. Bush outgoing administration and the Obama outgoing administration. It is one of the last islands of bipartisanship left in government that's being torched here.

TAPPER: And, John, I want to ask you also about in your book the hardest job in the world about the presidency, you write this about President Trump.

Donald Trump is not just a traditional president who happens to have a rough tongue. His rough tongue is a sign of a president who is dismantling the traditional presidency.

I guess he's now also dismantling the traditional presidential succession.

DICKERSON: Well, right, he was cheered for dismantling our -- you know, promising to dismantle much of Washington. And, you know, there's a lot of anger about Washington, and its sclerosis and its lack of ability to get anything done. But on his way out, what's striking about what he's doing and what

Republicans are doing in support of him, because they're quiet is, in fact, supporting what he's doing, is that they said the president has the legitimate right to go after any legitimate fraud claims. Well, his legal team is no longer really a legal team. It's more of a chaos team.

And that has nothing to do with the right to look into fraud. That's just creating chaos. And the system that is being made chaotic is the same system that elected those Republicans. So, they have -- they have an interest in speaking up for this system that they are part of.

TAPPER: Yeah, one would think.

John Dickerson, thank you so much. Always good to have you. Good to see you again, my friend.

And you can read more from John in his excellent book "The Hardest Job in the World: The American Presidency." You can buy it right now wherever you buy books.

In our health lead, 251,000 people in the United States have now died from the coronavirus, since the pandemic spread to the U.S. nearly ten month ago. That's more than the number of strokes, suicides and car crashes typically kill in a full year combined.

A reminder, the United States has more infections of COVID and more deaths due to COVID than any other nation in the world according to official numbers and it will likely get worse as people prepare to gather for Thanksgiving and more, which is why the CDC today issued new guidance for all Americans -- as Erica Hill reports.

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ERICA HILL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As testing lines grow ahead of Thanksgiving, this stark new advisory.

DR. HENRY WALKE, CDC: CDC is recommending against travel during the Thanksgiving period. What's at stake is basically the increased chance of one of your loved ones becoming sick and then being hospitalized and dying.

HILL: College students and military members heading home for the holidays need to quarantine and consider wearing masks inside.

DR. ALI KHAN, UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA MEDICAL CENTER COLLEGE OF PUBLIC HEALTH DEAN: We do not need to create yet another super spreader event in America.

HILL: As a country, we have already got our hands full. More than half a million new cases in just the last four days, nearly 80,000 Americans now hospitalized, yet another record high.

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DR. NATHAN HATTON, UNIVERSITY OF UTAH HOSPITAL PULMONARY SPECIALIST: We are on 250 days of having a COVID patient in our ICU right now.

HILL: Deaths are also climbing, nearing daily numbers not seen since early May.

Nationwide more than 250,000 lives lost -- mothers, fathers, grandparents, friends.

DR. ROCHELLE WALENSKY, INFECTIOUS DISEASES MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL HOSPITAL CHIEF: I think we should all just pause at that extraordinary number. We need to grieve. We need to mourn. We need to remember, and then we need to double down and make sure that all of those lives were not lost in vain.

HILL: The nation's testing czar warning --

ADMIRAL BRETT GIROIR, CORONAVIRUS TESTING CZAR: This will get worse.

HILL: But he said we can turn it around.

GIROIR: It's all about absolute adherence to wearing a mask, avoiding crowds and, yes, we can keep the economy open, but we're going to have to diminish indoor places like indoor dining and restaurants.

HILL: Minnesota pausing in-person dining, sports and social activities for the next four weeks. A new curfew for nonessential businesses in Los Angeles County begins Friday. Wisconsin's public health emergency and mask mandate extended through January.

GOV. TONY EVERS (D-WI): Call it what you want -- flattening the curve, stopping the spread, staying safer at home. I'm going to call it what it is. It's about saving lives.

HILL: Public schools in Denver at all K through 12 schools in the state of Kentucky shifting to fully remote learning. New York City's move to do the same for its public schools prompting immediate backlash.

MARK LEVINE, NEW YORK CITY HEALTH COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: These priorities are totally backwards. Today in New York City, a kid cannot learn in their classroom but they can have a meal at indoor dining.

MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO (D), NEW YORK CITY, NY: For everyone who honestly might feel somehow a little better if they knew that indoor dining was going to close or gyms were going to be closed, it's just a matter of time.

HILL: New jobless claims rising for the first time in a month. Meantime, millions of Americans bracing for the day after Christmas, when their additional benefits will run out.

KARIN SMITH, WILL LOSE UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS DEC. 26, 2020: We wait until the election, I can't believe they're just not going to do anything again.

HILL: Food lines growing, as families struggle to provide. MELONY SAMUELS, THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST HUNGER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR:

Seventy-five percent of those we're seeing are unemployed because of COVID-19.

HILL: Need and stress reaching dangerous levels and fears of a breaking point.

MARY TURNER, MINNESOTA NURSES ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT: We cannot afford to have this kind of emotion. We cannot afford to have these kind of breakdowns, but we feel it. We feel it as we're holding that hand.

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HILL (on camera): And we are seeing more restrictions put in place just this afternoon, Jake, in Arkansas. I think the governor noting that starting tomorrow through January 3rd, businesses that sell alcohol for consumption need to close at 11:00 p.m. And in New Hampshire, what the governor says there's been a 100 percent increase in hospitalizations, a new mask mandate, anyone over the age of 5 who cannot keep six feet of distance both inside and outdoors must now wear a mask starting tomorrow.

TAPPER: All right. Erica Hill, thank you so much.

Joining me now, CNN medical analyst and former CDC disease detective, Dr. Seema Yasmin.

Dr. Yasmin, good to see you.

Eleven-point-five million coronavirus cases, more than a quarter million deaths in the U.S., how do -- how do we reverse this? Is it really as simple as everyone needs to wear masks, wash hands and avoid crowds, especially indoors?

DR. SEEMA YASMIN, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: Sadly, it's not as simple as that. That's why it's so frustrating, Jake, to hear the testing czar and other officials put this all on to the public.

Yes, of course, wearing a mask, physical distancing, hand hygiene, avoiding gatherings makes a big dent but it's so unfair for official s to keep telling the public to do that when they, the current administration, are not doing their job. People are still having to line up and wait hours for a COVID-19 test. They're out of capacity with testing equipment in some places.

So then we need the administration to also do its job. Do a peaceful transition. Share that data that's needed instead of just telling Americans, do your part, they need to make sure that testing is available, people are getting their results quickly, that hospitals are fully stocked.

You know, 25 states right now are at critical health care worker shortages. So, we need to see those things fixed as well as, of course, telling the public, please wear a mask. Do not have your typical Thanksgiving dinner this year. TAPPER: Yeah. And -- you know, President Trump is AWOL other than

tweeting about these deranged conspiracy theories, having to do with his loss.

There is a 10 percent increase in testing from this time last week. This metric has never been higher. And it's because many Americans feel safer seeing family members if they know they got a negative test first.

What's your message for them?

YASMIN: I just want to say that's a minuscule increase. We need much wider rollout of testing available already. I'm glad more people are getting tested.

But just remember, when you get that negative test result, which I hope you get, it's still a snapshot of your contagiousness at the time you have a test. You may be getting that result the next day, two days later potentially.

And also, be aware that you could be in the early stages of infection with too little virus for a test to pick up and therefore test negative when you are, in fact, infected and could be become infectious very shortly afterwards.

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So, really, we have to be so careful right now. We have to be more diligent than we were trying to be in February, March and April because we are now nearly 300 days out of the WHO saying this is a public health emergency of international concern.

We have more Americans with COVID-19 in hospitals right now than any other stage of this pandemic. This is beyond a crisis. This is twice or three times as worse as it was in the spring and in the summer.

So, do not gather. I'm so sorry, but we have to make those sacrifices this year. We cannot be congregating indoors with other people. We have to be really, really diligent.

What's at stake here is our health care systems become so overburdened that already critically ill patients in Texas are being sent to Arizona, critically ill patients in Missouri are being sent to Iowa. That's where we're at now with hospitals being overwhelmed. We're likely to see many, many more deaths on a daily basis and so, we have to be extremely diligent right now.

TAPPER: An absolute tragedy.

And the governor of Minnesota said his state is at a breaking point. The governor of Kansas said her state had to send a patient to Nebraska for lack of hospital space.

YASMIN: Right.

TAPPER: How much worse is it going to get, do you think? YASMIN: I think we're likely to see something on the scale that we

saw with 9/11, about 3,000 deaths in one day, happen every single day in the U.S. for weeks on end. That's the likelihood here, because think about the lag we see, Jake. When we're saying a quarter million Americans have died from COVID-19, that's actually a snapshot of what the case might have been a week or so ago.

So, we're worried that we're going to see upwards of 350,000, 370,000 deaths by inauguration day if things don't change drastically.

TAPPER: Predictable, and predicted and the president is AWOL.

YASMIN: Yeah.

TAPPER: Dr. Seema Yasmin, thank you so much.

In our national league today, disturbing claims in a lawsuit against one of the largest meat food processors in the U.S., Tyson Foods, after one of its plant workers died of coronavirus. The lawsuit alleges that Tyson Foods not only failed to protect workers safety but that a supervisor organized cash bets on how many employees would get sick.

CNN's Dan Simon now reports.

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DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Stunning allegations made against managers at this Tyson Pork processing plant in Waterloo, Iowa, one of the first to shut down when the coronavirus raged uncontrollably in the spring. A supervisor allegedly taking bets on how many would catch the virus. It's one of several disturbing claims in this wrongful death lawsuit by CNN.

According to the allegations, the plant manager of the Waterloo facility organized a cash buy-in, winner-take-all betting pool for supervisors and managers to wager how many employees would test positive for COVID-19.

In the end, more than 1,000 employees would catch the virus, about a third of the nearly 3,000 working at the plant.

ERNEST LATIKER, TYSON EMPLOYEE: I'm scared.

SIMON: Ernest Latiker spoke to CNN's Gary Tuchman in April about his conversation with Tyson's HR department.

LATIKER: They told me I was -- I was safe and they told me that everything was okay, and they told me I had a better chance of catching the coronavirus going out to Walmart that at Tyson. Come to work, you're safe.

DEAN BANKS, TYSON CEO: The focus is keeping our plant, team members healthy and the communities they live in, keeping the disease out of there so it stays out of our plants. SIMON: That was Tyson CEO Dean Banks in March, as supermarket shelves

began to lay bare as plants struggle to contain the virus. But even as best practices became known, the suit says Tyson failed to provide appropriate personal protective equipment and failed to implement sufficient social distancing or safety measures to protect workers from the outbreak.

At least five Waterloo plant workers died, according to the lawsuit. The suit filed earlier this year by the family of one of them. But it's been revised with even more troubling claims, including the alleged betting pool.

Another manager is also alleged to have explicitly direct supervisors to ignore symptoms of COVID-19, telling them to show up to work even if they were exhibiting symptoms of the virus.

A concern one employee echoed to CNN in April.

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Do you think they care about your health?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not as much as they need to.

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SIMON (on camera): And we got a statement from the CEO of Tyson Foods, Dean Banks. And it reads in part: We are extremely upset about the accusations involving some of the leadership at our Waterloo plant. Tyson Foods is a family company with 139,000 team members, and these allegations do not represent who we are.

And, Jake, he went on to say that the alleged individuals involved would be suspended without pay and that he has tapped former Attorney General Eric Holder to launch an independent investigation -- Jake.

TAPPER: Dan Simon, thank you so much. The virus bringing out the best in some Americans and the absolute worst in others. Thanks so much for that report.

You can follow me on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter @JakeTapper. You can tweet the show @TheLeadCNN.

Our coverage on CNN continues right now. Thanks for watching. I'll see you tomorrow.

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