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Malaysia Confirms Debris from Boeing 777; Campus Officer on Bail, History of Corroborating Officers Emerge; Hillary Clinton Versus NY Times, Jeb Bush. Aired 11:30-12p ET

Aired July 31, 2015 - 11:30   ET

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[11:31:35] KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Breaking news in the hunt for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight 370. New pictures just into CNN. The piece of the airplane debris found on Reunion Island has just been loaded into crates at the airport there. That wing component will soon begin its 11-hour trip to France, and that is where investigators will be analyzing and determining whether this piece is from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight. All of this as officials express growing confidence this morning that the debris could be the first clue in solving one of the biggest aviation mysteries in history.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: One of the reasons investigators do believe this could be the real thing, this component number found on the object. It matches the schematic for a Boeing 777 which, of course, is the same type of plane MH370. While that's going on, a U.S. intelligence assessment believes that it was likely someone in the cockpit who deliberately flew the plane off course before it vanished.

Joining us now to discuss the investigation, at least in terms of the debris and where it's going, Tim Taylor, an operation submersible specialist.

Tim, thanks so much for being with us.

TIM TAYLOR, OPERATION SUBMERSIBLE SPECIALIST: Thanks for having me.

BOLDUAN: Let's take a look at the map here. The debris which showed up on Reunion Island over here, given that the debris was found there, do you still have confidence in that red arc, that search zone we're looking at right now, do you still have confidence that's the right place to be looking for the fuselage under water.

TAYLOR: They have to have confidence in that spot. That's what all the data has led to. This new data confirms that they found a plane hopefully, the plane, and they need to collect more data points. 500 days is a long time to model backwards. It can be done but I don't think it's going to change the search area as much as confirm it let's hope, but the more solid data.

BOLDUAN: When you talk about this huge area and backtracking and how difficult it might be, let's put it in perspective. The area we're talking about between the arc and Reunion Island, it is the size of the United States. That's how huge this space is where if it -- if the plane landed there how far this debris has traveled. When you look at it that way, Tim, does it seem smart at all or is there any advantage to putting ships in different points between where that arc is and where it ended up on Reunion Island?

TAYLOR: I would say let the islands and the shoreline be your filters. So they will catch any debris there is. Sending planes out and spotters to find tiny little pieces which are now scattered everywhere and probably even smaller, they're probably not going to be as large as the piece they found, they could be cushions and debris and luggage and things that would necessarily float. The other thing is their buoyancy characteristics are different than that wing. This wing is probably major league underwater like 98 percent of it, so under the circumstances pushed by currents, not by wind. Seat cushions can be pushed by wind and you can find them on the other islands, up by Madagascar, or even farther north. Diego Garcia, there are beaches thee. Put some people out there and start looking.

BERMAN: You're talking about the current moving around in the ocean, the gyre that we've been talking about. If we can take a look at that, that counterclockwise motion of currents that does move things from off the coast of Australia toward this Reunion Island. How powerful is that current and where could it send other things?

[11:35:00] TAYLOR: That current is the main driving force. Hurricanes, other storms that come in and go will drive wind and wind driven currents, but the big heavy objects, especially that part of the plane, would be mostly impacted by the current, and so that's important. That's a piece of the puzzle that they can plug into the models because they know the buoyancy of that. If you find a cushion somewhere else, that's lighter, it floats differently, is affected by the wind, and I am sure the Australian university that's --

BOLDUAN: Let's show them that. It's the University of Western Australia. They did the progression models to show from the point where the plane was -- went missing how the degree from up to six months and then where it could have traveled kind of the debris field where due to the currents where it could be going. That shows really what a difficult task it is to try to pinpoint and try to spot some of this degree when you look at that.

TAYLOR: What's unique about this is it's a really concerted effort for these people. They knew the plane went down, they knew they were going to have drift degree and so they collected data. This is real data. This isn't like looking back when the plane crashed and collecting data. Every piece of data they can get they have been plugging into the model, every ship, every weather report because they know they're looking for something. It's not historically archaeologically trying to dig up data. They probably have a really good data set.

BERMAN: Right now it's the people on the beaches, on islands like Reunion Island, Madagascar, east Africa, who will see this in the media, and start looking out for things. There could be more things discovered soon.

TAYLOR: If you see it, "say something" kind of thing, yes. (CROSSTALK)

TAYLOR: Eyes on the ground.

BOLDUAN: First piece of the puzzle, it seems me, they may be close to confirming they have it.

Tim, great to see you. Thanks so much.

Don't miss our special report tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern "Vanished: The Mystery of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370," only here on CNN.

And he is now out of jail and free on bond. New video from a third body camera shows the moment right after the former university officer shot and killed an unarmed black man. Will that video hurt or help his case?

BERMAN: A showdown in Florida between a Clinton and a Bush. Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush on the same stage, but bringing pretty different messages. You will hear Hillary Clinton with a pretty direct attack on Jeb Bush, her biggest one yet. That's next.

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[11:40:37] BOLDUAN: This morning, we have dramatic new video from a third body camera of a Cincinnati police shooting. Watch this.

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RAY TENSING, FORMER OFFICER, UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI CAMPUS POLICE: Oh, I thought he was going to run me over.

UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Are you OK?

TENSING: I'm good.

Holy (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Medic. Gunshot wound to the head.

UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: What, did he pull on you?

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UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: We have medical rolling. Who is injured?

(EXPLETIVE DELETED)

TENSING: I'm on air. I almost got ran over by a car that took off on me. I discharged one round.

Shot in the head. He didn't reach for anything.

UNIDENTIFIED OFFICER: Stand back. Stay back.

TENSING: I was just hanging onto the car. I thought he was going to be run over.

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BOLDUAN: Now ex university police officer, Ray Tensing, is out of jail on a $1 million bond.

BERMAN: He pleaded not guilty to the murder, involuntary manslaughter, of an African-American man, Samuel DuBose, during a traffic stop on July 19th.

This is another look at what happened.

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TENSING: I'm trying to figure out if he has a license or not. Go ahead and take your seat belt off.

SAMUEL DUBOSE, SHOT BY POLICE OFFICER: I didn't do nothing.

TENSING: Take your seat belt off. Stop! Stop!

(GUNFIRE)

(SHOUTING)

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BERMAN: I want to bring in CNN's Jean Casarez.

Jean, it's interesting looking at those two perspectives. You get the after and the before and during. In the after, the officer claims he was almost run over but when you see the video, it's clear it's simply not the case.

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, and the devil is in the details, too, because his side is saying that his hand got mangled inside the steering wheel and that that really caused him to believe he was going to be caught under that car, and, of course, that's when the shot rang out, and then we know from the prosecutor that the car started moving forward. Prosecutors said, when he was killed, Sam DuBose slumped forward and probably pressed the accelerator there. But the big question still is if he was dragged, why wasn't that caught on his body camera which was on him? Now, we can tell you that as you said, he's out on bond. It was about 6:30 last night that $100,000 was paid. He is released on cash bond.

We're finding out a little more information today about this defendant himself, Raymond Tensing. He knew at a very early age he wanted to become a police officer, at 16. He became a member of the Police Explorer Group. We also know that he was accepted and spent one day with the Ohio State Patrol, highway patrol unit, and he left after one day saying, quote, "I am resigning due to the fact that I am unable to adapt to the training environment." He went on to the university of Cincinnati police department. He graduated in 2010, one of five that received a student honor at that graduation. 2012, went on to the university and got a degree in forensic science, criminal justice. But now, that University of Cincinnati Police Department has to have

an independent investigation. So my question was, this morning, to the Cincinnati police chief, who is going to conduct that independent investigation to get to the truth? Here is what he told me.

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JEFFREY BLACKWELL, POLICE CHIEF, UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI POLICE DEPARTMENT: I think he's going to bring in an outside investigator, maybe an ex-DOJ official or somebody that has had work with collaborative agreements or consent decrees to kind of come in and give him a top to bottom review of his agency, and once he gets that final report, we'll know how to move forward in assisting him and his agency in the reform that is clearly necessary.

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CASAREZ: Now, Chief Jeffrey Blackwell, who you just saw right there, I asked him what's the pulse of community right now? He said obviously they are upset, but he says that he and his officers have spent years to formulate that relationship with the community, to get out there, to get to know the people, and to let the people know that they are there for them, and he thinks that all that work they've done has paid off, because there is still that bonding in Cincinnati with the officers and the community, which he says at this point is a very good thing.

Back to you.

[11:45:00] BERMAN: All right. Jean Casarez for us in Cincinnati. Thanks so much, Jean.

We do have breaking news just into CNN. Dylann Roof, the man charged in the deadly shooting spree inside a Charleston church, just pleaded not guilty to federal hate crime charges. He killed nine African- American church members at Emanuel Methodist Episcopal Church. Before the violence, Roof posted an online manifesto of white supremacist beliefs. His trial now set for next year.

BOLDUAN: Still ahead for us, it's Hillary Clinton versus "The New York Times." Her campaign blasting the paper for errors, even taking the unusual move of writing to the paper's executive editor. Why?

And Clinton didn't waste any time attacking her opponent today. A glimpse of what a Jeb Bush and Clinton match-up might look like. That's next.

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BERMAN: This morning, Clinton/Bush, the sequel, or the one after the sequel. We have to look at what a Clinton/Bush matchup might look like. They both addressed the National Urban League Conference in south Florida.

BOLDUAN: Clinton took to the stage first and came out swinging. She took Bush's super PAC, named "Right to Rise," and turned it against him. Listen.

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HILLARY CLINTON, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: I don't think you can credibly say everyone has a right to rise and then say you're for phasing out Medicare or for repealing Obamacare. People can't rise if they can't afford health care!

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[11:50:08] CLINTON: They can't rise if the minimum wage is too low to live on. They can't rise if their governor makes it harder for them to get a college education. And you cannot seriously talk about the right to rise and support laws that deny the right to vote.

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BOLDUAN: A spokesman for Jeb Bush took to Twitter quickly calling her out, calling it a "cheap shot."

At the same time, the Clinton campaign has been ripping into "The New York Times" for what it calls egregious errors in a story about her private e-mail use while -- during her time at the State Department.

Senior political reporter, Nia-Malika Henderson, is here; and senior media correspondent, Brian Stelter, is here as well.

Nia, to you.

She came out pretty much directly took him on, on the stage, and he came out right after. It was kind of an unusual move that they're on the same stage and she took the opportunity to go after him.

NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: It's a preview if these two are in the final stage there is in 2016 it's a preview of what 2016 will look like. Particularly in Florida where African- American voters will be so crucial. She's talking about in that clip there she was talking about a couple things from Bush's record, one of which him overseeing a voter purge, two voter purges, in fact, as well as eliminated affirmative action in Florida. Those are two issues I think she thinks she can use against Jeb Bush in terms of trying to court African-American voters. African-American voters in Florida are something like 13 percent of the voting population there. Obama won 95 percent of those voters. I think Bush in going to the Urban League is separating himself from the rest of the Republican pack. Only Dr. Ben Carson was there, the other Republican. He wants to get at least double digits of African-American voters. He's under no illusions that he's going dominate among African-American voters in Florida or my state but if he does better than Mitt Romney 5 percent, 10 percent, then he can keep this thing competitive. Remember, Obama only won Florida by something like 100,000 votes so this will be a knife night a telephone booth and I think we have a preview of what this might look like come 2016. BERMAN: Bush doesn't even need to be the nominee for this to be

useful to her. She can court traditional Democratic voters with a traditional Democratic message.

Brian Stelter, I want to talk about an untraditional type of opponent for a Democrat candidate. Hillary Clinton took on "The New York Times." It's not often seen as a bastion of conservatism, and that's not what it is in this case, but Hillary Clinton is really mad.

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BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT & CNN HOST, RELIABLE SOURCES: We haven't seen it before in this campaign. Hillary Clinton's communication director sending a letter to the executive editor of "The New York Times" on Tuesday. They didn't like the response so they published it Thursday night. The letter --

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BOLDUAN: Clinton's campaign published.

STELTER: Published the letter, that's right, 2000-word letter. This is about the story last week about her private e-mail server. The story said there was a criminal referral asking the Justice Department to investigate criminality involving this e-mail server. The "Times" story went too far. They corrected it, they fixed it, but it took a long time to make the corrections, publicize the corrections and, by then, the damage was done. You heard Donald Trump this week saying the word "criminal," attaching "criminal" to Hillary Clinton. The campaign is furious about that. Here's part of what the e-mail says. It says, "Just as the disturbing as the errors themselves is the 'Time's' abandonment of journalism practices in the course of reporting on this story."

What they're referring to is they didn't give the campaign much heads- up before publishing the story and the campaign said they relied on bad sources, questionable sourcing. This is a problem, as you know, when you're relying on anonymous sources, sometimes they can burn you, and the campaign is using this moment to warn other journalists, be very careful when you're covering this campaign, when you cover this candidate, because we are paying close attention.

BOLDUAN: Why they still want to be highlighting this issue, though, is another big question, Brian.

STELTER: Yeah. Good point. If she hadn't used an e-mail server privately, this wouldn't be a story.

BOLDUAN: Brian, thank you.

Nia, thank you so much.

STELTER: Thank you.

HENDERSON: Thank you. BOLDUAN: Ahead for us AT THIS HOUR, the plane debris is about to leave for France from the island of Reunion where experts in France will try to confirm if it does, indeed, belong to MH370.

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[11:53:09] BOLDUAN: More than a million Native Americans living on reservations are dealing with soaring unemployment, high suicide rates, and third-world-like living conditions.

BERMAN: One woman is a source of help and hope at a reservation in South Dakota.

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ROCHELLE RIPLEY, CNN HERO: My grandmother was full-blood Lakota. My grandma was my world. She asked me if I would promise to go home and help our people when I grew up.

The Lakota reservations are very isolated. The spirit of the people, it's alive, but they struggle with the conditions tremendously. We have extremely high rates of suicide, addictions. Food often is in very short supply. Unemployment. Health issues are another huge challenge.

I formed a group to keep a promise to my Lakota grandmother to go home and help our people.

And we're almost to the front door. There you go. You're at the front door.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At first, I was traumatized because I was blind. All my electricity outlets and stuff were no good and there could have been a house fire.

RIPLEY: We're doing as much as we can to make her house safe for her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It feels newer in here. I can't see it, but I feel it.

RIPLEY: We've been teaching how to eat healthy on a limited budget.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm going to give you a couple of these.

We have a medical team. We work collaboratively with the tribe wherever we go.

So we'll take you, obviously, the toys and the new clothing.

We get in everything from beds to food.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She's a blessing to our reservation. We call her Waoke N'wiah. Waoke means you're helping people.

RIPLEY: We're children of the earth and we're working together so with have a chance of the having a decent life. (END VIDEOTAPE)

[12:00:04] BERMAN: A great message.

If you know someone who deserves recognition, go to CNNheroes.com, tell us all about them.

BOLDUAN: Thank you so much for joining us AT THIS HOUR.