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Legionnaires Outbreak in South Bronx; Hillary Clinton's Positive Poll Numbers Down; Trump Turns Around Leaked Cell Phone Number; Baby Saved from Trash Can In China; Bat Boy Who Died is Honored. Aired 11:30a-12p ET
Aired August 04, 2015 - 11:30 ET
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[11:30:00] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: And how do you stop an outbreak like this? How do you get rid of it once it's around?
DR. SEEMA YASMIN, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: The most important thing you do is find the source of the outbreak. Once you find that contaminated water supply, it's pretty straightforward to get rid of the bacteria. You flush out the water system with bleach and again with fresh water.
But the thing that we worry about is it can take anywhere from two days to two weeks for somebody to get sick with the disease. So at the beginning of an outbreak we'll see a handful of cases but we'll know we'll see more and more and more so education is really important. Letting people know you can drink the water, that's fine, but sometimes inhaling the water from these sources is how the outbreaks spread so quickly.
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: That's so interesting. How dangerous really when folks always ask how dangerous is legionnaires'?
YASMIN: The interesting thing with this is say 100 of us are expos exposed to the bacteria, only about 5 out of that 100 would actually get sick with the disease. So not everybody gets sick, but of those 5 who do get sick, up to a third could die from the illness. So it can be really severe. It can cause your kidneys to fail. It can cause septic shock, and it can cause your lungs to stop working, so it can be very serious, especially as I said in people who are older and who already have a pre-existing condition.
BOLDUAN: Absolutely.
BERMAN: Dr. Seema Yasmin, thank you so much. Appreciate it.
YASMIN: Thank you.
BOLDUAN: Thank you so much, Doctor.
So all of you women out there -- not John. Ladies, are you at the office and are you freezing right now? Yes. We can all say collectively yes together. It turns out it appears that blasting air conditioning at the office, it might actually be biased. According to a new research -- to new research, modern offices set temperatures based on the metabolic rate of a 40-year-old, 155 pound male. That may have described the typical worker back in the '60s but clearly it doesn't anymore. Women make up to 47 percent of the workforce and they're the ones most likely you will see wrapped in blankets in the office.
And actually, our producer, Abigail, caught me this morning and what I look like when I'm preparing for the show.
Case in point -- and this is true, John -- why does CNN hand out blankets with the CNN logo on it, if it isn't freezing in the office?
BERMAN: There's part of this, I don't understand. Women have to run hotter than men, right?
BOLDUAN: No.
BERMAN: Yes, or get cold more easily.
BOLDUAN: Yes.
BERMAN: That's the only reason it would be sexist, so.
BOLDUAN: It is sexist.
BERMAN: So, and the other thing is, no offense to the facilities people here, I have a hard time thinking that the people who set the air conditioning here have ever looked at the metabolic rate of anybody to determine how to set the temperature.
(LAUGHTER)
BOLDUAN: The way I loved it that they put in the study is that the thermal comfort model that was developed in the 1960s, they say, is out of date and we should make it a little warmer, folks.
BERMAN: Everyone knows that model.
BOLDUAN: Here is the formula. I know we all learned this back in grade school. That's an obvious one. But you think if you would boost the degree -- if you boost the temperature a few degrees, it would reduce gender-discriminating bias in thermal comfort. There is outrage, outrage that needs to be discussed here.
BERMAN: We'll talk about the outrage and so much more when we come back.
(LAUGHTER)
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[11:37:02] BERMAN: All right. Big news in politics. Hillary Clinton slipping. Yes, she is still way ahead of the other Democrats now running for president, but there is another trend that the Clinton campaign might want to be worried about, just how much Americans like Hillary Clinton.
BOLDUAN: A new poll from NBC News and the "Wall Street Journal" shows that 37 percent of Americans have a positive view right now of Hillary Clinton and they also -- and then 48 percent hold a negative view. Her positives are down, her negatives are up, as you see since June.
So how troubling is this for her and, most importantly, for the Clinton campaign, how are they going to reverse this trend?
Let's talk about it with CNN political commentator and Democratic strategist, Donna Brazile. Also with us is political commentator and Washington correspondent for "The New Yorker," Ryan Lizza.
Great to see both of you.
Donna, Hillary Clinton's campaign, they're looking at those numbers that we just put up. Her positives are down, her negatives are up since June. They've got to start paying attention to that.
DONNA BRAZILE, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR & DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Look, they're paying attention to all of this, but they're not panicking, and they should not panic at this time. You know, we knew -- they should have expected since becoming a candidate, she's pretty much where most of the other politicians -- look at the Republican numbers. She's clearly more popular than most of them, and they've gotten more air time, positive air time. I'm not surprised about the numbers. It's just like the weather. They're going to go up, it's going to go down, it's going to get hot, it's going to get cold. Bottom line is if you connect with voters, make sure that you can fall in the 50 states, plus D.C., and others and win the nomination. Next year this will be a different conversation.
BERMAN: You're saying it doesn't matter if they like her if she wins. That's a hard way to run for president, but, Ryan, I want to say Donna is right, if you look at where Donald Trump and Jeb Bush are right now, they're way more under water than Hillary Clinton is. I mean, more people have negative views of them than have positive views of them. So there is that.
But, Ryan, it's not supposed to be this way. When you run for president, you have been running for two months, you're supposed to get people to like you more over time, not like you less over time. You see a lot of blind quotes from Democrats who are concerned out there saying that they're just not impressed with Hillary Clinton as a candidate.
RYAN LIZZA, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR & WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, THE NEW YORKER: Yeah, look, I think that that is -- I don't think that's true though, John. I think it's the opposite. I think the longer you are in the public limelight, the more you're going to say and the more positions you're going to take that are going to alienate people, and, remember, she was at her most popular when she was secretary of state, when frankly she wasn't talking about politics at all, when she wasn't in the news, and people just sort of had a generally fuzzy good opinion of her going around the world representing America. As soon as you enter the political fray, your numbers come back down to earth, and the structure of American politics right now is we have a polarized electorate where it's very, very hard to get over the high 40s in terms of popularity. So when you have two candidates like Bush and Clinton that have been around as long as they have an electorate that hates all politicians --
(LAUGHTER)
LIZZA: -- I think it's the nature right now. There's not a national politician out there who has numbers that are a whole lot better than this.
[11:40:28] BRAZILE: That's right.
LIZZA: Maybe there's someone I'm not thinking of. All right. So that's on the one hand. On the other hand, not great. You know, Obama when he was running in 2008 did have better numbers than this. He did manage to reach across and get a lot of independents and Republicans to support him and it does not look like that kind of candidate exists for the Democrats at this time.
BRAZILE: At this moment. Wait a minute. At this moment.
LIZZA: At this moment.
(LAUGHTER)
BRAZILE: At this moment. Look, we're reading a lot into all of these polls. I have read four polls in the last 24 hours and by the end of the day I will get two more polls.
This is more Janet Jackson than Tina Turner.
(LAUGHTER)
Tina Turner was famous for -- look, you guys have been talking about being cool and chilly. I'm trying to channel my diva.
(LAUGHTER)
LIZZA: I'm going to channel mine, too, Donna.
BERMAN: Donna, what's love got to do with it, Donna?
(CROSSTALK)
BRAZILE: That's right, what's love got to do with it? It's more what have you done for me lately? Voters want you to do something. They want you to perform. They want to hear what she will do. They don't want to hear all this other stuff. They want to know, what are you going to do for me. And it's not about love anymore. I'm sorry. I love politicians, I love politics --
BOLDUAN: Right.
BRAZILE: -- but it's not about love anymore. It's about what are you going to do to help the American people, what are you going to do to keep us safe and secure. What are you going to do about my jobs, my health care, my children's future? That's what it's about. It's not about these politicians. BOLDUAN: But isn't it also about, when it comes down to who folks are
going to vote for, it also comes down to they might not like you, but they do want to be able to trust you. And there are poll after poll showing Clinton that is also facing a trust deficit, and we saw last night, especially, kind of bringing it to focus how Republicans are really sharpening their attacks against Clinton and trying to push that narrative that she's untrustworthy.
Listen here to Lindsey Graham.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, (R), SOUTH CAROLINA & PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm fluent in Clinton speak.
Do you want me to translate, Jack?
When he says, Bill says, "I didn't have sex with that woman," he did.
(LAUGHTER)
When she says, "I'll tell you about building the pipeline when I get to be president," it means she won't. And when she tells us, "Trust me, you've got all the e-mails that you need," we haven't even scratched the surface. So I understand this crowd and I can beat them.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(LAUGHTER)
BOLDUAN: That's ouch, Donna.
BERMAN: That's tough.
BRAZILE: You know what? As a southerner, I can translate everything he said as well, and basically, he said if you allow me to get on the debate stage with all the other grown-ups, I promise you I can attack the Clintons better than anyone else.
You know, the bottom line is, guess what, truth is, she has to earn not just our votes but our trust, and she understands that. She's a great candidate. She understands how to lead this country. And I do believe, given a chance, as well as the Democrats -- and we'll hear from the Democrats, our debates are coming -- they will show the American people that we know how to lead this country in the 21st century. The Republicans are still looking back to yesterday.
BERMAN: Ryan, can I ask quickly about Donald Trump because Donald Trump's cell phone number got put out --
(CROSSTALK)
LIZZA: I wouldn't feel good about leaving a segment without talking about Donald Trump.
(CROSSTALK)
BERMAN: You'll like this. His cell phone number got put out in the public. He left a new voice mail on that message for anyone who calls it.
Do we have that, guys?
BRAZILE: Did he ask for a donation?
(LAUGHTER)
BERMAN: If we have that voice mail, I want to play it for you.
BOLDUAN: Yep.
BERMAN: Play.
(BEGIN AUDIO FEED)
DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hi, this is Donald Trump and I'm running for the presidency of the United States of America. With your help and support, together, we can make America truly great again. Visit me on Twitter @realdonaldTrump and check out my campaign website at www.donaldTrump.com. Hope to see you on the campaign trail. We're going to do it.
(END AUDIO FEED)
BRAZILE: I love that.
BERMAN: So, Ryan, our friend, Dan Pfeiffer, basically proves he's better at politics than anyone else running right now.
(LAUGHTER)
LIZZA: Well, I agree. Usually, you don't think of Trump at being able to poke fun at him and being a little bit so self-serious. This shows smart politics here, turning this around, not getting too mad. Very, very savvy.
BOLDUAN: And on we go to Thursday.
Ryan Lizza, Donna Brazile, thanks, guys. Great to see you.
LIZZA: OK, thank you.
BRAZILE: Stay cool. Stay cool.
(LAUGHER)
(CROSSTALK)
BERMAN: Tina Turner, "Private Dancer," that's all I'm thinking.
BOLDUAN: Have you noticed Donna always leaves that one-liner at the end that makes me stand there and say, "Thanks, Donna."
BERMAN: All right, a serious turn. A story shocking a lot of people. A newborn baby pulled alive from a toilet. Just a stunning video.
BOLDUAN: Yes.
[11:44:58] BERMAN: And how the little girl was rescued. That's ahead.
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BERMAN: All right. Exclusive new images into CNN. A newborn baby being pulled out of a toilet alive. It's shocking to see. This is in China. And police are now looking for the infant's mother.
BOLDUAN: CNN's Will Ripley obtained this video of the dramatic rescue and he also spoke with a man who witnessed the whole thing. Will is joining us now.
Will, it's tough to watch for anyone.
WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So hard to watch, Kate and John. And police are saying really this little girl might have had just minutes left. But considering she's just a couple days old and how much she's already gone through, she really is a survivor.
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RIPLEY (voice-over): No child should come into the world like this.
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RIPLEY: Pulled from a public toilet by a Beijing police officer. Neighboring called when they heard the newborn crying. Wrapped in a blanket, she's safe, her mother gone.
"I think it's brutal for a mother to do this," says Sui Wenguo, who cleans the toilets.
He says a young woman walked out alone just minutes before neighbors heard the crying.
"She was acting normally," he says.
Thousands of people live in of this back alley. Nobody recognized the woman who left before the police arrived.
[11:50:00] (on camera): When the breeze blows through these narrow back alleys, especially on hot summer days it carries with it the stench from the single public restroom everybody here shares. And when you step inside, the smell, the heat, is that much more intense. And you look at these holes in the ground and you think, this is where a little girl, a baby, came into the world. (voice-over): A migrant construction worker from eastern China heard
his neighbors calling for help. He followed police into the toilet, pulled out his phone and started recording. He asked us not to show his face.
"I feel so torn and sad," he says. "Words can't describe it. How could something like this happen?"
Parents abandon thousands of babies each year in China. Children left in trash bins or toilets are the rare, worst cases.
In 2013, rescuers saved another newborn, a boy found alive inside a toilet pipe. His 22-year-old single mother told police it was an accident and she was embarrassed. The boy survived. Others have not. The Chinese government set up what they call baby hatches for parents to leave unwanted children, but they're so overwhelmed, workers have to turn many parents away. Experts say nearly all abandoned children have disabilities or medical conditions. Most end up in orphanages. Parents who can't afford health care may feel they have no other choice.
(on camera): Can you ever forget seeing something like that?
(voice-over): "I'll remember it for the rest of my life" he says.
Police are still looking for this newborn's mother, a woman who left her baby alone, helpless, flushed down the toilet.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
RIPLEY: So now this little girl who doesn't have a name yet joins the estimated 100,000 children abandoned in China. He's in the hospital in stable condition expected to be OK.
And, John and Kate, police are still looking for her mother.
BOLDUAN: Absolutely. It's difficult to watch, as we said, but so important that you're shining a spotlight on this.
Will, thank you so much.
Coming up for U.S., they call him their Little Spark Plug. Now a Kansas baseball team is trying to find a way to play on without their bat boy following a tragic accident.
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[11:55:58] BOLDUAN: They called him their Little Spark Plug. Tonight, a Kansas baseball team goes back out to play without him. They say that's what their beloved bat boy, Kaiser Carlile, would have wanted.
BERMAN: Little Kaiser's grieving father and his baseball family are speaking out for the first time since the nine-year-old was fatally injured. His father says no one is to blame for the accident.
Our Gary Tuchman has the details.
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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There is no shortage of nine-year-olds who love baseball and dream of being a bat boy. Kaiser Carlile was one of them, and he got to live that dream out with the Liberal Kansas Bee Jays, one of the teams in the Amateur National Baseball Congress, a summer league for mostly college players.
Adam Anderson is the team's head coach.
ADAM ANDERSON, COACH, LIBERAL KANSAS BEE JAYS: He was as much a part of the team as anyone else out here.
TUCHMAN: The Bee Jays had made it to the world series, but on Saturday, a freak horrifying accident, a Bee Jay's player took a practice swing in the on-deck circle, know seeing Kaiser came out to retrieve a bat. Kaiser had a helmet but it wasn't enough to protect him when he got hit in the head. The home plate umpire, who was a paramedic, started treating him as other medical personnel arrived, players on the field prayed for the bat boy who was critically hurt and rushed to the hospital. The next day, the team had another game in the tournament and won, but right after it ended, they found out their bat boy, Kaiser Carlile, had died.
Kadon Simmons is a pitcher on the team.
KADON SIMMONS, PITCHER, LIBERAL KANSAS BEE JAYS: It's amazing how much someone can touch your life in such a short time and how -- just how big of an influence someone can make on you.
TUCHMAN: Players and coaches talked with reporters about their love for this young man but they were also addressing Kaiser's family.
Third baseman, Brady Cox, talked about one game where Kaiser was under the weather and lying down on the bench.
BRADY COX, THIRD BASEMAN, LIBERAL KANSAS BEE JAYS: I asked him what was wrong, he said "I'm not feeling well." I said, "I feel your pain, I'm 0 for 2."
(LAUGHTER)
"I understand." And he was just like, "Man, it's all right." Then he gave me a high five and, my next at-bat, I hit a home run.
SIMMONS: I never had a little brother that I could be a guy with. And I want to thank you guys for that.
TUCHMAN: He wasn't planning on talking, but Kaiser's father made the decision to do after hearing what players and coaches had to say about his son. He didn't want them to feel guilty.
CHAD CARLILE, FATHER OF KAISER: Me, myself, personally, I just feel bad for the team. Understand, I've got my loss of my son but it's just as hurtful for them. Kaiser was one to bring a smile to everyone's face. I'm not saying I actually was the one that taught him, but I tried to Kaiser the best I could to be that type of person. I never knew how much he actually touched people until now.
TUCHMAN: Chad Carlile wished the Bee Jays players good luck and then hugged his daughter, Kaiser's little sister.
And the members of the team who cared for Kaiser so much wanted his family to know just how much.
COS: How much he's touched me in the short amount of time I've known him, and how much he means to imagine, I can't imagine what the family is going through and you'll always be in my heart for that. And Kaiser will always hold a special place in my heart. I'll never step on the field and not think of him. I just want to say thank you for blessing us with him.
Gary Tuchman, CNN, Atlanta.
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BERMAN: Your heart breaks for that family and our thoughts are with them.
BOLDUAN: Almost too much.
BERMAN: The National Baseball Congress says it won't use bat boys or bat girls for the rest of the season after that happened. The Kansas City Royals, which is the local Major League Baseball team, they say they will honor Kaiser at an upcoming game.
BOLDUAN: As well they should. Sounds like an amazing little boy and an amazing family to speak up like that with their strength.
Thank you so much, everybody, for joining us at this hour. A tough way to end it. My goodness.
BERMAN: "LEGAL VIEW" with Ashleigh Banfield starts now.
