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New Video in Cop Killing Case in Illinois; Trapped Migrants in Hungary Try to Walk Across Europe; 2 in Court for Encouraging Kid Fights. Aired 11:30-12p ET

Aired September 04, 2015 - 11:30   ET

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[11:30:18] JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: A possible major develop in the hunt for three suspected cop killers. Police in Illinois say they may have significant evidence to help identify the men believed to have killed Lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz, the 30-year police veteran. A homeowner has turned over footage from his surveillance system that may show three people in the area of the shooting. Gliniewicz has a local hero, who was set to retire at the end of the month. He was shot while chasing three suspects. He radioed in he was chasing two white males and a black male. The community is on edge this morning heading into the holiday weekend. The manhunt continues.

Joining me is John Cuff, former U.S. Marshal from the Northeast Fugitive Investigation Division.

John, the news today surveillance video. It may exist of three people in the vicinity. Authorities have not made this video public. What's the consideration there?

JOHN CUFF, FORMER U.S. MARSHAL, NORTHEAST FUGITIVE INVESTIGATION DIVISION: Be pure speculation, John. I mean, they need to assess the video and determine if, in fact, it's the individuals they're looking for. All along like any of these manhunts, first step is to identify, properly identify who you're looking for, OK? So even though it's been a few days now, it takes time to develop and process the crime scene evidence, videotapes from the area, along with the calls from the public that are being vetted. And that all is a winning combination to identifying the suspect. So even if you could identify one of these subjects, OK, then that's going to be a significant lead into identifying the other two. And all along even the public, like these people, whoever they are, whether they're local or they fled, they're seeking help somewhere to stay hiding. So someone out there knows something. So one -- this is an opportunity for these subjects to come forward, at least one of them, for a deal.

BERMAN: So often we see the public's help is key here. When do you make that decision to ask for the public's help? When do you make the decision to put three faces that might be in the surveillance video and release it for the public to take a look at?

CUFF: Again, John, the assessment by the authorities on the ground is going to dictate that decision. BERMAN: I understand, but do you look at the video and you see if any

of these people, if you have their names or facial recognition that can match them with someone who may have a criminal record?

CUFF: Sure. He just heard about this development so I suspect in short order they'd probably be doing that, but all along you still need the public's assistance on anything unusual. For example, this sounds like a homeowner came forward with this video, which is great. Hopefully other -- comparing this with other videos and so on along the area, maybe they can determine if it fits the bill for these suspects.

BERMAN: Your experience with fugitives like this, it's been several days. Do they generally try to get far, far out of the area or is it likely they could still be in the general vicinity?

CUFF: It varies. It's happened both ways. It appears this was not a planned thing. This just happened, so they scrambled. Are they in the area, are they home grown people from there and they know the haunts around there, or did they have a vehicle? As long as this investigative process along with the calls from the public continue, things will shake out and leads will develop.

BERMAN: A lot of people at home this holiday weekend. Any advice for people in that area?

CUFF: Obviously, be on the alert. You have to consider these guys armed and dangerous. Anything unusual, make your calls to the authorities, let the authorities check it out, anything strange, cars missing, windows broken in houses, anything out of the ordinary. Or whoever is listening to this broadcast that has knowledge, now is the time to share this.

BERMAN: It's past time to share it.

CUFF: Absolutely.

BERMAN: John Cuff, thank you for being with us.

CUFF: Thank you.

BERMAN: Happening now, an officer killed in an ambush in Texas being laid to rest. Mourners are arriving for a final salute to sheriff's deputy, Darren Goforth. Authorities say he was shot execution style while fueling his patrol car. A gunman came up behind him at a gas station, shot him in the back and stood over him emptying his guns. Goforth was a husband, a father of two, a 10-year veteran of the sheriff's office. Harris County sheriff, Ron Hickman, is expected to speak at the funeral. He has said Goforth was killed because he was in uniform. And he said controversial things as well about the Black Lives Matter movement. The alleged shooter has a history of mental illness and a criminal record. He is now charged with capital murder.

[11:35:00] Stuck on the tracks. A train full of Syrian refugees in Hungary remains parked, not going anywhere. The refugees want a chance at a new life. Now so many simply trying to walk, walk to salvation. Should other countries be stepping up to help?

And then a fight club for preschoolers. 4, 5-year-olds encouraged to battle it out on the playground. Now two daycare workers, they make their first appearance in court.

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BERMAN: New this morning, heartbreaking images from Syria. Aylan Kurdi, the 2-year-old refugee whose body washed up on a Turkish beach, is being buried at his hometown of Kobani. His grief-stricken father returned to the war-torn city he tried to flee with his family. Now his family is dead. Aylan's picture outraged people around the world. That image of him washed up on the beach highlighting the plight of thousands of refugees streaming into Europe.

At this moment, thousands of refugees are on a highway in Budapest -- or in Hungary, outside of Budapest. They're trying to walk to Germany because they simply have no other option. They waited for days at a train station but when Hungarian authorities refused to let them board without proper documents, they began this desperate journey.

CNN's senior international correspondent, Arwa Damon, is walking among them right now. I'm joined by CNN global affairs analyst, David Rohde.

Arwa, tell us what's going on around you.

[11:40:16] ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, take a look. This is the main highway that connects Budapest to Vienna. Traffic is moving through. There are police that are at this stage not preventing these people, most of them refugees from the wars in Iraq and Syria, from moving along but rather seemingly trying to protect them from traffic. A fairly large mass of humanity coming through. You also see people from the area coming and handing out water, and a lot of them, John, as they have been doing this apologizing for the government. One woman who we saw earlier, she was in tears as she was saying, I'm so sorry for my prime minister, I'm so sorry, ashamed, she was saying, of the way that the government here is handling these people's plight, especially after everything they have been through.

Organizers, some of the key refugee organizers in all of this, telling us that the numbers are around 2,500, if not 3,000. There most certainly are just waves and waves of people making this very long journey. It is, yes, very difficult for the children. And parents know when they embark on this trek from the very beginning that it is dangerous. It is risky for the kids, and they choose to do it because they believe if they stay back in their homelands -- and we're talking about the wars in Iraq and Syria -- they would end up dead anyway, so why not take a chance? At least give them a little bit of a chance at a future that they hope is going to exist for them in Europe.

Fed up they were after waiting for days, some of them over a week, for the train service to be opened that would allow them to move on. They have been trapped by the Dublin Agreement. At least that is what the Hungarian government keeps saying. It is adhering to the dictates that an individual has to apply for asylum at the point of entry. The German authorities are welcoming refugees but they are talking about the Dublin Agreement as well. That's been sending a lot of mixed messages to these people. But they're still going because they say they will not leave their fate in the hands of leaders and politicians who do not seem to have their best interests at heart. They will no longer allow themselves to languish. They no longer want to sleep in the streets and see their children to sleep in the streets. So if walking all the way is their only option, they are going to do that. They are going to go as far as they have to go, John, especially the patients, so they can give their children that chance at a future that does not exist for them back in their homelands.

BERMAN: My god, Arwa. Willing to walk across Europe to make a better life. I know the connection is bad. Just quickly, we see water stations. We see people helping along the road there. Is this the government? Are these actual officials helping out, or are these refugees having to help themselves?

DAMON: No. What you're seeing here actually is quite heartening for many of them because their experience in Hungary so far has been fairly miserable. They have been in camps where they say that their treatment is inhumane, which is why they keep refusing to go back into the camps. These water stations you're seeing, these are people, citizens of Hungary along the way who saw the images -- this walk has been going on for a few hours now -- saw the images on television. Many of them already sympathizing, empathizing with the plight of the people, ashamed of how the government has treated them. So they have come out and set up the water stations on their own. It's very haphazard. You have some of the smaller nonprofits, such as Migration Aid, who has been handing out things like dates as well.

BERMAN: Arwa Damon for us on a highway with thousands of people trying to walk to a better life.

Thank you, Arwa.

David Rohde, my god, this is medieval. There are thousands of people trying to walk across Europe. This can't be a solution. This just can't be allowed to happen.

DAVID ROHDE, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Well, and you're right. This is a historic moment. There are more displaced people in the world today than there have been since World War II, 60 million, six, zero. It's unprecedented. Europe is seeing it now but -- and it's the result of unprecedented number of conflicts. There's 15 wars that have restarted or started in the last 5 years. You know, asylum application this is the U.S. are up by 55 percent. People are fleeing Myanmar. The focus is now on Europe, but this shows how we live in a global world and these conflicts will impact Europe now and the United States potentially as well.

BERMAN: The prime minister of Hungary, with thousands of refugees trapped at train stations, said this is a German problem.

[11:45:09] ROHDE: That's the problem. Everyone is blaming everyone else. The key question and it's amazing what Arwa said, are these people victims that these average Hungarians should be giving water, and the Hungarian prime minister sort of suggesting they're criminals we need to round up and contain. You hear that rhetoric in the United States as well in terms of migrants. We have to -- Europe needs a better more unified position, the U.S. as well. Are these people victims that we should help and accept or do we round them up? It doesn't seem like we have any agreement on that.

BERMAN: You saw David Cameron. Great Britain says they're going to open their doors finally to thousands more Syrians, but it took the picture of Aylan Kurdi. It took a picture of a dead 2-year-old on a beach to change hearts in Great Britain.

ROHDE: And that's the key factor. This made this human. That child was a victim. These people are trying to make better lives for themselves. They didn't start these conflicts. And there's a problem. The war in Syria has dragged on. 11 million of the 60 million displaced are just from Syria. And the failure of the U.S. and Europe and Turkey and other countries to deal with the conflict has now --

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BERMAN: Many countries did not want to become involved, and now they are involved, because the conflict, or at least the results of it, have come within their borders.

David Rohde, thank you so much for being with us.

ROHDE: Thank you.

BERMAN: A shocking discovery at a New Jersey daycare. An alleged fight club for young children. The workers accused of setting it up. They are in court this morning.

And Donald Trump, confused perhaps, not knowing the leaders of some of the world's biggest terror groups. Ahead, we'll discuss is this a gotcha question? Stay with us.

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[11:50:29] BERMAN: A shocking case in a New Jersey courtroom this morning, two day care workers accused of encouraging fights between children. Literally, a fight club for kids, ages four through six. Prosecutors say the women even referenced the film starring Brad Pitt. They recorded video. They talked of the fights and shared clips with friends on social media. Today, they pleaded not guilty to charges of fourth-degree child abuse, third-degree endangering the welfare of a child.

CNN legal analyst, Danny Cevallos, joins me now.

Danny, there's apparently video of this. On the video you apparently hear one of the women reference a fight club? What could a possible defense here be?

DANNY CEVALLOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: A possible defense? That's going to be difficult case to defend.

BERMAN: They pleaded not guilty!

CEVALLOS: Well, as a general rule defendants plead not guilty because what's the other option? You just plead guilty to the indictment? They have to review discovery and consider their options. But in a case like this -- and I can't tell how often I see this, John, as a criminal defense attorney, defendants routinely in court are posting videos on social media. They're essentially building their case for them for the prosecution by memorializing their bad deeds on video, on Snapchat, on Facebook, on social media. It's remarkable and police have caught up, they now know to look at twitter and social media and get their evidence. Often that can be the sole evidence convicting a defendant.

BERMAN: Once you put it out there, you can't un-put it out there. What about the notion -- I suppose they could say this, they could say, look, kids fight, kids fight. What you're seeing here is just what happens at a day care center. Is kids fighting you have no convict these people if they didn't do enough to stop it?

CEVALLOS: You bring up a good point. When you operate a day care center, you undertake a duty to look out for the well-being of children. That being said, there's a reasonableness factor. Children suddenly do things from time to time, but even if -- courts have held dare care centers liable if the person gets on the phone and is goofing off or text messaging and another child goes and does something all of a sudden so when you consider this as sort of your floor of liability -- this is an intentional act. They are inducing the children to fight so this is far beyond comparing to the case where a day care worker gets on the cell phone and is negligent and lets the kid hurt him or herself. In the case like this, where you're inducing the harm, we've risen out of the area of negligence, out of the area of recklessness and squarely in the land of intentional acts.

BERMAN: The criminal charges here, no doubt, there could be civil issues for the day care center itself.

Danny Cevallos, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it.

BERMAN: Wedding bells in Kentucky. The county clerk sits in jail. Her deputies are now handing out marriage licenses. That's ahead.

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[11:57:21] BERMAN: Sitting down could shorten your life. Studies show a sedentary life-style could lead to serious cardiovascular issues, diabetes and cancer. This week's "CNN Hero" is taking a stand.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I new something had to change on my end to stay healthy. I go in, everybody's sitting at the desk. You may be working a lot, but you're at the desk, sitting.

DR. DAVID SABGIR, CARDIOLOGIST & CNN HERO: How far do you think you could walk before you had to stop?

The number one problem I see my patients face, as a cardiologist, is a sedentary life-style. I was frustrated at my ineffectiveness to create change in my patients.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello!

SABGIR: How are you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm fine.

SABGIR: So I said, how about if my family goes to the park, would you be interested in joining us?

So see you tomorrow at the walk?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, yes.

SABGIR: The response was phenomenal.

I wanted to talk about how easy taking care of ourselves can be.

There's no better way than you can show a patient that you care about them than by going the extra mile with them. There's no fear of bad news. It's just the patient and the physician talking about whatever the patient wants to talk about.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the beginning, I used to walk a mile or two. By end of the year, I've completed a full marathon. I'm thinking of signing up for my second marathon. The doctor taught me you can achieve things that are really big. But it all starts with small steps.

SABGIR: How many miles do you have in already?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 2.7.

SABGIR: 80 percent of cardiac disease is preventable if we just go for a walk. If people just take that first step, they will never look back.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: High five!

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[11:49:18]BERMAN: So for more on the doctor's break through work, head over to CNNheroes.com.

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Thanks so much for joining us AT THIS HOUR. Have a wonderful holiday weekend.

"Legal View" with Ashleigh Banfield starts right now.

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