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Cathy Heller Claims She Was Sexually Assaulted by Donald Trump; WikiLeaks Releases Clinton Speech Transcripts. Aired 4-5p ET

Aired October 16, 2016 - 16:00   ET

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[16:00:05] FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN HOST: All right, hello again. And thank you so much for joining me. I'm Fredricka Whitfield.

So the countdown is on. Less than 23 days until the election. And two more major polls show Clinton in the lead. An ABC News/"Washington Post" poll shows Clinton four points ahead of Trump. And NBC/"Wall Street Journal" poll shows Clinton with an 11 point advantage. The polls were after the leaked tape of Trump bragging about grabbing women begging the question how is it affecting the race?

And Trump continue to beat his drama-fear declaring this election rigged, dishonest and saying the media is distorted.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The election is rigged by corrupt media pushing false allegations and outright lies in an effort to elect Hillary Clinton president. But we are going to stop them. We are not going to back down.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WHITFIELD: Those comments just as a ninth woman has stepped forward, accusing Trump of making unwanted sexual advances toward her at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign has its own controversy to deal with ahead of Wednesday night's debate. Wikileaks releasing what appears to be or at least what Wikileaks is saying is hacked transcripts of Clinton's paid speeches to Goldman Sachs.

Both Clinton and Trump are off the trail and preparing for the debate. But their surrogates are speaking out. This morning on CNN's "STATE OF THE UNION," former New York City mayor and top adviser to Trump, Rudy Giuliani, responded to the Republican candidate's rigged election comments.

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JAKE TAPPER, CNN CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: I mean, I think you would agree with the premise that our form of government has been strong because politicians accept the outcomes of elections, especially the most notable example in recent history, with then-vice president Al Gore conceding after the very intense Florida recount. I want you to look at what a Trump supporter Dan Bowman of Ohio told the "Boston Globe." Quote, "if she's in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot." He's a 50-year-old contractor. There's going to be a lot of blood shed but that's what it's going to take. I would do whatever I can for my country. There are a lot of Republican officials who are very concern about Donald Trump constantly saying that the system is rigged. Saying if he loses to states such as Pennsylvania, it's only because it will be stolen. And now we have a Trump supporter calling for bloodshed. Are you not concerned at all about the tone and tenor of these remarks?

RUDY GIULIANI, TRUMP CAMPAIGN ADVISOR: I have dealt with whacky jerks on my side and against me for too long to blame it on the candidate. You can find just as many whacko nuts from her side that write us horrible and awful things. So when he talks about a rigged election, he is not talking about the fact that it is going to be rigged at the polls. What he is talking about is that 80 to 85 percent of the media is against him. That when you look at the "New York Times" and you pick it up every morning on the top of the paper, there are three stories that are anti-Trump. Some of them totally baseless. Some of them silly. And then at the bottom, you get a little something about Wikileaks. Same thing with the "Washington Post." I mean they are way out of control. The "Daily News," clown outfits of Donald Trump.

TAPPER: OK, Mr. Mayor, I understand that that's --

GIULIANI: And you know that -- please, let me finish. You let Nancy Pelosi go on like two or three minutes without interrupting. Now, the reality is that he makes it clear. He points at you in the press. He makes it clear who he thinks is rigging the election.

TAPPER: Then why does he call for people to go to election, to go to polling places to be election monitors? Why does he say if we lose Pennsylvania, it will all because it is stolen?

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GIULIANI: There are a few places and not many in the swing states. There are a few places where they have been notorious for stealing votes -- Pennsylvania, Chicago. Different places where a lot of cheating has gone on over the years. I know that from my own knowledge of busing people in from Camden. When I ran for mayor of New York City, the first time, some people voted eight and ten times. And the second time, I had firefighters and police officers outside checking on the busses. So we take down the number of the bus, the bus voted ten times, then we wouldn't let the bus vote again.

When I asked Randy Levine who is now president of the Yankees who did it for me, I said how much of the cheating did we stop, he said, I think we stopped about 75 percent of it. And we are still going to have to give about 25,000 votes. I'm sorry. Dead people generally vote for Democrats rather than Republicans.

TAPPER: So he is not talking about elections being stolen except in some cases when he is talking about elections being stolen.

GIULIANI: I would be -- you want me to tell me that I think the election in Philadelphia and Chicago is going to be fair? I would have be to be a moron to say that. I mean, I would have to dis-learn everything I learned in 40 years.

[16:05:05] TAPPER: The Republican Party in Philadelphia would disagree with you. They looked into t allegations from 2012 and they said that there was nothing irregular with what happened. They are yes, there are areas where people only voted for Obama, just like in Utah. There are places that only voted for Romney.

GIULIANI: Maybe there are situations in which it is right. I remember a case when I was associated attorney general where 720 dead people voted in Chicago in the 1982 election. I remember in my own election, about 60 dead people voted. So I can't sit here and tell you that they don't cheat. And I know because they control the polling places in these areas. There are no Republicans. That is very hard to get people there who will challenge votes. So what they do is they leave dead people on the rolls, and then they pay people to vote those dead people four, five, six, seven, eight --

TAPPER: I have to -- we have to go, Mr. Mayor. But just to put a button on this, it sounds as though you are saying that Trump is serious when he says that the election is going to be --

GIULIANI: No, I'm not saying that.

TAPPER: You just laid out a whole case of how about Democrats steal elections.

GIULIANI: Look, if she wins Illinois by eight percent or he wins Illinois by eight percent, then that cheating doesn't make any difference. If he wins Pennsylvania by five or she wins by five percent, it will make no difference. If it is a one or two point race, it could make a difference in a few places. It is not going to make a difference in Indiana. It is not going to make difference in North Carolina. Not going to make a difference in some a lot of other places.

TAPPER: OK. Well, that's not an affirmation of the way our elections are held in this country.

GIULIANI: But we do cheat. We have people who cheat in elections.

TAPPER: You're saying only Democrats cheat?

GIULIANI: I found very few situations where Republicans cheat. They don't control the inner cities the way Democrats do, I bet. Maybe if Republicans control the inner city, they would do as much cheating as Democrats.

TAPPER: I think there are a lot of election experts that would have very, very strong disagreements with you.

GIULIANI: Well, they never prosecute election fraud.

TAPPER: All right. Mr. Mayor, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

GIULIANI: Thank you.

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WHITFIELD: Alright, a lot there.

CNN correspondent Chris Frates is here to give us some of the responses to those comments from both Democrats and Republicans.

CHRIS FRATES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Fred. You know, Donald Trump continuing to push this idea that somehow the election is rigged. And he is not providing any evidence to support that charge. In fact, just this afternoon, he tweeted quote "the election is absolutely being rigged by dishonest and distorted media, but also at polling places."

But Fred, the facts just don't bear that out. For instance, 2012 investigative reporting project by a group called News 21 looked at over a decade of data and found just ten cases, ten cases of voter impersonation at the polls on Election Day.

And meanwhile, you know, the Democrats are really using Trump's claims about a rigged election, trying to paint him as a panicked candidate. Trying to delegitimize the results before he loses the election in November.

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TIM KAINE (D), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Especially in the last couple of days, as Donald Trump has kind of started to go wilder and wilder, I think after, by all accounts, losing the first two debates, he started to make wild claims, kind of scorched earth claims, about the election being rigged, et cetera. So we have to keep putting out a message and we need to call on everybody to speak out about the fact that we run elections and we run them well here. He shouldn't be engaging in those scare tactics. And so, we are needing to push that message. And we asked the GOP leaders also to stand up for the integrity of the American electoral process.

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FRATES: Now, indeed, Republican leaders have spoken out on this subject, including Trump's own running mate, Mike Pence.

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MIKE PENCE (R), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We will absolutely accept the results of the election. Look. The American people will speak in an election. It will culminate on November the 8th. One of the great, great traditions of America is the peaceful transfer of power.

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FRATES: Now, Republican House speaker Paul Ryan's office also weighing in, putting out a statement saying this, our democracy relies on confidence in election results and the speaker is confident the states will carry out this election with integrity.

So in a really divided election year, many Republicans and Democrats seem to agree on at least one thing, Fred, and that is despite what Trump says, the polls, they are not rigged.

WHITFIELD: All right. Chris Frates, thank you so much in D.C.

So will Donald Trump repeat this line of attack during the third and final presidential debate? Find out this Wednesday when Trump and Hillary Clinton square off one final time in this forum. Live coverage begins 4:00 p.m. eastern right here on CNN.

Coming up, another woman. Another accusation against Donald Trump. What this ninth accuser claims happened to her next.

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[16:12:59] WHITFIELD: The crisis for the Trump campaigns deepens as a ninth woman has now come forward accusing the Republican candidate of unwanted sexual advances. 63-year-old Cathy Heller said the incident happened nearly 20 year ago at Trump's Mar-A-Lago resort.

CNN's Jessica Schneider is joining me right now.

So Jessica, you spoke to Heller. What more has been said?

JESSICA SCHNEIDER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Fredricka, Cathy Heller tells me she was shaken and shocked by this uninvited kiss and aggressive behavior. She is 63 years old now but she says it was in the late 1990s when she was at Mar-A-Lago for a mother's day brunch with several members of her family. Her mother-in-law introduced her to Trump and that's when Heller said this happened. She told me quote "I put my hand out and said hello and he grabbed me. I was standing and had heels on and almost fell back. He pulled me toward him. He was very strong. And that's when she tells me, he kissed her. She said her family saw it all happen but they dismissed it then.

Well, about a year and a half ago, as Trump was rising to political prominence, Cathy Heller actually started telling her friends about what had happened. I talk to her friend to confirm what Cathy told her. And CNN is working to further corroborate this story. But of course, when the "access Hollywood" tape came out, Cathy Heller realized she wasn't the only one that had happened to and she decided to share her story - Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And the response from the campaign has been?

SCHNEIDER: Yes. They have been talking about it furiously. All of these accusations. But as it comes to Cathy Heller, Jason Miller, the senior communications adviser for the Trump campaign, released a very terse statement. I'll read it for you.

He says, the media has gone too far in making this false accusation. There is no way something like this would have happened in a public place on mother's day at Mr. Trump's resort. It would have been the talk of Palm Beach for the past two decades. The reality is this, for the media to wheel out a politically motivated democratic activist with a legal dispute against the same resort owned by Mr. Trump does a disservice to the public and anyone covering this story should be embarrassed for elevating this bogus claim.

Well, I will explain the second part of that. Cathy Heller admits she is a Hillary Clinton supporter. She has donated moneys to the campaign. As for that legal dispute, Cathy Heller tells me it's actually just a money dispute with Mar-A-Lago. Her family has been involved with it for several years. They're trying to get back their dues they paid as their initiation fees.

Now, in the meantime, Trump himself has been tweeting about these accusations and even lashing out. Listen to what he said in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

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TRUMP: Total Lies. And you have been seeing total lies. But we are going to stop it. We are not going to back down. And remember this, it is a rigged election. Because you have phony people coming up with phony allegations with no witnesses whose whatsoever, ending up from 20 years ago, 30 years ago.

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SCHNEIDER: But speaking out at his rallies, also tweeting feverishly all weekend long, saying that these are bogus claims and fabricated -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Jessica Schneider, thank you so much.

All right. This morning, CNN's Jake Tapper asked top Trump campaign adviser Rudy Giuliani about this ninth accuser and if he believed that all nine women are, as Trump insists, liars.

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TAPPER: So you think the nine women are lying? You believe Donald Trump --?

GIULIANI: I would not say it that way. I believe Donald Trump. I don't know about the nine women. I haven't studied the case. I'm a lawyer. I would have to study each case to tell you that. I'm not going to engage in Clinton-type conduct and attack them. I'm just telling you that I believe he is telling the truth. I do not believe -- some of the things appear to me on their face to be kind of untrue.

TAPPER: OK.

GIULIANI: Fifteen minutes of groping in a first class cabin of an airplane? Doesn't make sense. I have been in first class a lot. Fortunately, since I stopped being mayor, I can afford first class. You know, you see everything that goes on in first class.

TAPPER: So Donald Trump, you kind of eluded to the fact that Donald Trump has condemned the Clintons for attacking Bill Clinton' accusers, the women who accused Bill Clinton of misconduct. You are kind of refraining from doing so, even though you are questioning some of these accounts.

Donald Trump is out there on stages calling them liars. And actually, in some instances, attacking how attractive they are. Basically suggesting that they are not attractive enough for him to ever kiss or grope without consent. For those voters out there, Mr. Mayor, who are inclined to believe all of these women, all of nine of Trump's accusers and Bill Clinton's accusers, and just say, you know what, I believe all these women, how are they supposed to reconcile this, given the fact that empirically, Trump is attacking these women much, much more so than the Clintons ever did?

GIULIANI: No, that's not true.

TAPPER: Sure it is.

GIULIANI: It is not. The bimbo squad.

TAPPER: Donald Trump is out there giving speeches attacking them, calling them liars and saying that there not good looking enough.

GIULIANI: I really don't want to dispute this with you. I mean, the four women who I met with tell me that Hillary Clinton was engaged in all kinds of attacks on them, both public and private. But at any event, shouldn't we be beyond that now? Should we be beyond Donald Trump past and Clinton's past? And should we be talking about who is going to raise taxes and lower taxes? Who is going to deal with ISIS and who isn't? Who created ISIS? What are we doing in Somalia, where obviously we have a ground war going on in Somalia or the president says no boots on the ground but we have boots on the ground?

TAPPER: Yes. These are things that Donald Trump is not mentioning in his speeches at all. Donald Trump's speeches, as you know, are basically, he goes out there and he attacks the women who are accusing him. And by the way, when you talk about shouldn't we be over this, Donald Trump, the women that you just referred to, the three women who accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault or worse, and the woman who Hillary Clinton was a court-appointed attorney to represent her rapist, those four women, Donald Trump brought them to the Republican debate. It's not the media making sexual assault an issue. Donald Trump is the one making sexual assault an issue.

GIULIANI: They asked to come. They asked to come. But the reality is, can we get off it? I mean, do we have to take the bait?

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WHITFIELD: As Donald Trump battles new accusers, Hillary Clinton is battling a new Wikileaks release. Up next, what appears to be the uncovered Wall Street speeches and the GOP's response.

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[16:23:23] WHITFIELD: Alright, welcome back. Donald Trump seems to have a new campaign strategy that some in his

own party are calling dangerous. Trump's campaign rallies and tweeter feed in recent days focused on one overarching theme. Quote "this election is rigged."

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TRUMP: False stories, all made up, lies, lies. No witnesses, no nothing. All big lies. It's a rigged system. They take these lies and they put them on front pages. This is a rigged system, folks. But we're not going to let it happen. We're not going to let it happen.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Joining me now to talk more about this is Republican strategist Brian Morgenstern and a political analyst, Ellis Henican.

While he really was making reference to the accusations, he also has been saying that the system is rigged as it pertains to the voting system and not necessarily to trust it.

So, you know, Brian, you first. I mean, if that is his (INAUDIBLE), if the election is rigged won't his OWN supporters being in to feel like showing up at the polls is pointless? Could it backfire?

BRIAN MORGENSTERN, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, it might. It also might motivate his supporters to get out there. You know, he is obviously been asking for poll monitors and that kind of thing. I don't know if that is going to work out or not.

But look, there have been isolated incidents throughout history of voter fraud. Rudy Giuliani pointed out some limited instances in New York. There are others when you look at how the first election in Minnesota. There were a lot of credible fraud charges there. But in terms of implementing a national election, which obviously will be, you know, 100 plus million votes, it is hard to imagine that there is going to be enough voter fraud actually to make a difference.

In terms of his addressing the media coverage, there is a little point there. Because with these allegations coming out now, without questioning the voracity of them or their merits, these are allegations that could have been reported a year ago, before anybody voted. They could have been reported 10 or 20 years ago. The fact they are being reported now does have a bit of a stench on it, in terms of, you know, why not? Well, obviously --

[16:25:40] WHITFIELD: Except - yes. And it is a response to the video that was leaked that showed Donald Trump using the language and saying that this is what he does.

ELLIS HENICAN, POLITICAL ANALYST: Exactly.

WHITFIELD: I mean, he talked about his behavior based on he has been able to get away with it because that's what happens when you are a star.

So Ellis, you know, his language now, is it a response also directly to the backlash, perhaps, or you know, the falling off support as a result of that video release? And now he has essentially saying or laying the groundwork that if I do lose, then let me blame it on the fact that it is a rigged election?

HENICAN: I'm so glad you pointed that out. I mean, that's exactly what happened, right. This isn't something that the global conspiracy and Carlos Slim and the "New York Times" all, in league with the Clinton campaign, decided to launch this (INAUDIBLE). Plus, I mean, the word "rigged" here is so interesting, right. Most of us who speak English deal think that is the word that has to do with some kind of specific plan to corrupt something in a mechanical way like traditional voter fraud. But apparently with Donald, he just means that there is a bunch of negative stories that he doesn't like. Then somehow, that adds up to a system.

WHITFIELD: Except he is placing blame and saying it is essentially fixed. It is the effort by those who are, you know, in opposition of him and, you know, fixed and rigged. That's part of the -- that's all the language that he is using.

HENICAN: Exactly. But there is no evidence that has been suggested that actually adds up to that. It is that, you know, a bunch of papers had stories about unflattering things involving Donald and somehow or another, that adds up to a rigged. Listen, this is just sour grapes before the actual votes come in from a guy who, I think, is probably coming around to the notion that there is a really good chance he is going to lose.

WHITFIELD: OK. Go ahead, Brian.

MORGENSTERN: Look, I think there may be some truth to that. I think that, as well, there is also truth that obviously very embarrassing and very unflattering video. Somebody had that 11 years and it wasn't released when he announced for president in 2015. It wasn't released before any of the primaries. It wasn't release before anything, until it's, you know, the October surprise. So people feel like it is a trial by surprise.

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WHITFIELD: -- reported though and our own Brian Stelter has helped in the reporting that Billy Bush actually, you know, claims that he went to NBC and said, hey, I remember, you know, being on the bus with him and I remember this account. And so, NBC then got wind of it because --

HENICAN: They were looking for it.

WHITFIELD: This was information that hadn't aired. But now, the mystery is who it actually became, you know, public material. So I mean, nobody has the answer to that one yet, or what the real impetus was behind that, whether it was political or whether it was just someone came across it and thought everybody should know. HENICAN: I think we know that, Fred.

WHITFIELD: I'm just saying the timing stinks. The timing is not great.

HENICAN: I mean, AP had a story of quoting a number of people from the "Apprentice" saying that all kind of foul stuff was said that didn't make it on air. That sparked folks at "Access Hollywood" to go looking through their tape recalling, hey, we have a lot of Donald Trump on tape. Maybe we can find some of it.

I mean, I think we know this is the way journalism works. It isn't that some kind of (INAUDIBLE) journalism get together with the campaign officials and decide how to screw Donald Trump. That's not the way this works. Reporters acting independently go for a hot story and, boy, do they get one, right?

WHITFIELD: Brian, last word?

MORGENSTERN: Ellis, that may well be true.

HENICAN: Of course it is.

MORGENSTERN: When all these allegations come out within the last couple weeks before an election about somebody who has been famous for 50 years, you know, the question is obviously raised, why now? And that's probably a fair question that a lot of voters will ask. Especially voters who are already skeptical.

HENICAN: It's rigged though. It is journalism, right.

WHITFIELD: All right. We are going to talk some more on it. And we know potentially the big candidates themselves are going to be talking about it just three days away now from that final presidential debate.

All right, Brian and Ellis, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

All right. Also up next, a new batch of emails hacked by Wikileaks, which Wikileaks claims are details about Hillary Clinton's campaign and allegedly, her transcripts of Wall Street speeches. The GOP's response next.

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WHITFIELD: Hillary Clinton's campaign now facing new questions after WikiLeaks releases what it says are her campaign hacked e-mails, including what appears to be transcripts of three paid speeches to Goldman Sachs. The Clinton campaign has neither confirms nor denied the authenticity of the e-mails and it is important to know that CNN has not independently verified their authenticity either. CNN's Senior White House --- let me correct that, Senior Washington Correspondent -- keep changing your title, Joe, is following this story. It's all within the District of Columbia. All right, so Joe, what stands out to you in this latest batch? JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wikileaks

releasing thousands more of the hacked e-mails today from the account of Hillary Clinton's Campaign Chairman John Podesta. This weekend, the batches of e-mails have included, a lot of stuff, everything from the apparent text of Hillary Clintons speeches addressing Goldman Sachs, debate over what types of campaign donations to accept, the inner workings of the campaign, discussions over allegations concerning Bill Clinton and of course, the controversy that erupted over Hillary Clinton's private e-mail server.

One campaign adviser -- writing to Podesta in August of last year, urging Clinton to apologize, something she'd would only do in the next month. Here's a quote. She always sees herself bending to their will when she hands over information, et cetera, but the way she has to bend here is in the remorse. Not the, if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't do it. A feeling of this decision I make created a mess and I'm sorry I did that. No one thinks she doesn't have the judgment to be president. She is not reaffirming a negative characteristic in saying I'm sorry.

According to the e-mail, Podesta replied, essentially agreeing that he, too, was frustrated, suggesting they were trying to get her to apologize. The Clinton campaign has been put on the defensive and lied to the hacking and has tried to deflect attention by blaming Russia. Here's what Democratic Vice-Presidential Nominee Tim Kaine said today. Listen.

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[16:35:10] TIM KAINE, CLINTON'S VICE PREISDENTIAL NOMINEE: There does need to be a consequence, when a foreign nation tries to destabilize an American election, which is what Donald Trump encouraged back in, you know late July. He said, hey, Russia, go see if you can cyber hack and find things that will help me win. But when a foreign government tries to do this, there has to be a consequence. There will be time for figuring what that consequence is, but you can't let it go unchallenged, because if you do, you could encourage more of it.

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JOHNS: Now Russia has not officially been blamed for this hack, but has been fingered by the U.S. for other WikiLeaks releases. For its part, Republicans are trying to put more attention on the hacked e- mails. Of course, for example, once again, bringing attention to the cozy relationship some Clinton foundation donors had with the State Department.

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MIKE PENCE, VICE PREISDENTIAL NOMINEE: I think what Donald Trump is talking about is, frankly, what appears to be the monolithic support of the national media for Hillary Clinton's campaign, their willful ignorance about the avalanche of hard evidence, not allegations, John, but hard evidence now coming out in these e-mails of collusion and pay for play politics. The American people are just tired of it.

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JOHNS: Both the State Department and the Clinton campaign had denied any pay for play allegations. CNN can't independently verify the authenticity of the e-mails, and the Clinton campaign has neither confirmed nor denied whether they're authentic, Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right, Joe Johns thanks so much in Washington.

All right, claims that they rigged election. E-mail hacks, leaked tapes. Policy has certainly taken a backseat recently. So up next, a lesson on the two candidates' tax plans. Who pays and who benefits? Stay with us.

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[16:40:30] WHITFIELD: While allegations of sexual misconduct and possible hacked e-mails had dominated the presidential candidate's campaigns. Taxes, who will pay more or who will pay less is something voters want to hear about? CNN Money Correspondent Christina Alesci compares Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump's tax proposals.

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CHRISTINA ALESCI, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT: Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton clash over most policy issues including taxes.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: See, I understand the tax code better than anybody that is ever are you for president.

HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And it is sort of amusing to hear somebody who hasn't paid federal income taxes in maybe 20 years talking about what he is going to do.

ALESCI: But that is bluster. The question is. What do the candidate's tax plans mean for your wallet? The plans represent two very different philosophies. Trump cuts taxes across the board, but the wealthy and corporations enjoy the biggest reduction.

CLINTON: I call it Trumped up. Trickle down.

ALESCI: Clinton wants the opposite.

TRUMP: And I will tell you Hillary Clinton is raising your taxes, folks.

ALESCI: That is not exactly true. She wants to raise taxes on the highest earners, to help pay for small tax cut for low to middle income Americans. Look at the impact on the 1 percent of earners. Trump cuts their tax bills by about $215,000. That is more than 200 times what the average middle income American would save on his plan. In fact, Trump's plan might actually end up raising taxes on millions of middle income families. Clinton's proposal would have those high earners paying about $117,000 more. In fact, the 1 percent shouldered the bulk of Clinton's tax hikes.

CLINTON: I want to have a tax on people who are making $1 million. ALESCI: And what about businesses? Trump slashes the corporate tax

rate from 35 percent to 15 percent, the thinking there? The money companies save will go to hiring more people or making investments.

TRUMP: That is going to be a job creator like we haven't seen since Ronald Reagan.

ALESCI: Clinton doesn't touch the rate, but she will try to close loopholes that currently let companies lower their taxes or avoid paying them all together.

CLINTON: And I think it is time that the wealthy and corporations paid their fair share to support this country.

ALESCI: There are many more differences. For example, Trump would eliminate the so-called estate tax on inherited wealth, something you really only need to worry about if you're handing down more than a couple million dollars, while Clinton would expand it. But how much would these plans cost the American people?

The tax policy center estimates that Trump's proposal would add $7.2 trillion to the national debt over ten years, while Clinton's plan wouldn't cost anything. In fact, it would decrease the debt by $1.6 trillion over the same amount of time. Trump's campaign calls this analysis catastrophically flawed, because it doesn't count the economic benefit of his plan. But critics warn, when you raise the national debt, as something Trump's plan would do, it would negate any positive impact.

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WHITFIELD: CNN Money Christina Alesci joining us now, for Christina, when you look at the differences in the candidate's plans in terms of the national debt, it is staggering. So what are the economic benefits that Trump is expecting to see under his plan that would keep from, you know piling on the nation's deficit?

ALESCI: Well, what he says is you put more money in the pockets of average Americans and they'll spend it. It's not necessarily true. Rich people do typically save more than spend. They save about half of their tax savings. And they do spend half of it. Lower to middle income Americans do spend more. There is some merit to that argument. But also, corporations what he says is if you -- his plan results in corporations saving money on taxes. What they'll do is they will take the money and they'll invest it in hiring people or buying new equipment, buying other companies and that generate economic growth. It creates jobs and therefore more people paying taxes and paying into the system. Now a new analysis from the Tax Policy Center may come out this week and we may see some of the factors added into the analysis as it goes forward.

WHITFIELD: As it pertains to middle class Americans, which tax plan has them coming out better?

[16:45:00] ALESCI: Well, I mean, Trump and his advisers take a lot of issue with this, but the reality is, both the tax policy center and the more conservative tax foundation say millions of low to middle income people may see their tax bill actually go up under Trump's plan, because he gets rid of exemptions and deductions that really benefit them right now. And the response is, look, from the Trump side of the equation, Trump's campaign and its advisers say you're not counting things like, you know, these tax, these dependent child benefits, the savings account for childcare that we're offering. The reality is that, poor to middle income people don't have the money to actually put in those accounts. So all of this is really complex and there's a lot of moving parts so you kind a have to factor in.

WHITFIELD: All right, Christina Alesci, thank you so much.

All right, coming up, name calling and conspiracy theory dominating the campaign trail right now. So what do voters think about the mudslinging? CNN's Chris Moody is on the campaign trail. Chris?

CHRIS MOODY, CNN POLITICS SENIOR DIGITAL: Fred, we've heard from the politicians and the political class. Now, let's hear from the voters. I've been traveling across the country for the past three weeks. We'll find out what they have to say about this whole campaign.

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[16:50:00] WHITFIELD: All right welcome back. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. So, two national polls out today show Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump. But what do voters really think about the candidates? CNN's Campaign Camper has been on the road all month talking to people all over the country. Digital correspondent Chris Moody is at today's stop in Denver, Colorado. So, Chris, what are the issues you're hearing about?

MOODY: Well, Fred, the past three weeks, CNN Vanessa Yurkevich and I had been on the road. And yeah, we're now in Denver. We spoke just last week to a group of border ranchers in Arizona. These are people whose land goes right up to the current border fence with Mexico. We talked to them about the issues that are important to them. We asked them about Donald Trump's wall and whether that'd fix the problem. They said no, that is not going to fix the problem, but they see Trump's wall as a symbol for more border enforcement. And then we asked them about both candidates to see what they thought about this election. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hillary wants open borders more than anybody. I mean, when you look at her film clips when she was running against Obama, she talked just like Trump does now. We need to secure that border and now, there's no talk.

MOODY: You think Trump is going to secure the border?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

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MOODY: Now after, before that, we were in Tennessee, where we met a man named Davy Crockett that is his real name. Tennessee is a pretty deep red state, probably going to go for Trump. But Davy Crockett, who suffers from a form of multiple sclerosis, said that he couldn't support Trump and listen to the reason why.

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DAVY CROCKETT, NOT VOTING FOR TRUMP: I'm Davy Crockett. I have a MS. Donald makes fun of people with stuff like I have, the MS I don't want to vote for his man. And I said I hope Hillary gets it.

VANESSA YURKEVICH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What would you say to Donald Trump if you got to meet him?

CROCKETT: Well, if I got to meet Donald Trump, I would say, what in the world is wrong with you? What makes you think that you should deserve to be president?

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MOODY: Fred, we've met a lot more people along the way. We'll be sharing with you in the future. We're heading to Las Vegas now, for the final presidential debate, Fred?

WHITFIELD: All right, can't wait to hear from more voices. Thanks so much. Safe travels to Vegas, Chris Moody. Thanks so much in Denver. And of course you can hear from the candidates when they do square off in their third and final presidential debate this Wednesday. Live coverage begins at 4:00 Eastern right here on CNN.

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[16:56:36] WHITFIELD: Car accidents are the leading cause of death among teens in the United States more than cancer and homicide combined. For this week's CNN Hero is battling that shocking statistic. Teaching kids how to properly handle themselves on the road in every day and emergency situations. Meet Jeff Payne.

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JEFF PAYNE, CNN HERO FEATURE: A lot of parents would never toss their kid a loaded gun and say, have fun, but many of them just don't think twice about throwing them the car keys. We just throw the kids out there on the road and we expect them to be prepared to handle every situation, and that is not just the case. We're doing our job so we can make a difference out there and make the road safer for all of us.

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WHITFIELD: To see the extreme driving situations Jeff has put thousands of kids through, go to CNN heros.com.

Bob Dylan was award the Nobel peace prize in literature this week, which has some wondering what he had to say about the presidential race or if he is already had some things to say. Here is CNN's Jake Tapper with this week's "State of the Cartoonian."

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JAKE TAPPER, AMERICAN JOURNALIST CARTOONIST: Bob Dylan has never shied away from politics.

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Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the halls.

TAPPER: But what can you say about politics this year, and a campaign in which the size of a candidate's manhood was discussed on the stage in a debate?

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The times, they are a changing.

TAPPER: Wind has been a favorite Dylan motif.

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... blowing in the wind.

TAPPER: Blowing through songs from subterranean home sick blues.

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Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows.

TAPPER: To idiot wind.

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Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth.

TAPPER: A song that has lyrics Donald Trump might indentify with.

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Whoever it is, I wish they'd cut it out when they will, I can only guess.

TAPPER: Over in the halls of congress, House Speaker Paul Ryan is trying to run from Trump.

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How does it feel to be on your own with no direction home?

TAPPER: While Hillary Clinton's campaign claims they cannot authenticate whether e-mails exposing her political tactics are authentic.

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Oh, no, no, it ain't me. It ain't me you're looking for, babe. TAPPER: But perhaps the Dylan pro's we're most thinking about today

have to do with, how most Americans might be feeling at this point in the election.

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It's not dark yet, but it's getting there.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Thanks for that, Jake.

All right, there is still so much more ahead in the next hour. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. Thanks for being with me today. "Newsroom" with Poppy Harlow is next.

Hi, everyone, you are here in CNN Newsroom, I'm Poppy Harlow joining you from New York, 5:00 pm Eastern. Today Donald Trump on a stating the election is rigged against him. And his latest rhetoric is so clear, so matter of fact, there is zero room for spin or interpretation.