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CNN International: Zelenskyy Praises Aid Bill, Urges U.S. to Send Weapons Quickly; TikTok Bill Heads to Senate Following House Approval; Environmental Advocates Push for Drastic Plastic Reduction; Power Line Project May Threaten Norway's Reindeer and Herders; WADA Accused of Mishandling Chinese Swimmers' Drug Tests. Aired 4:30-5a ET

Aired April 22, 2024 - 04:30   ET

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MAX FOSTER, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome to CNN NEWSROOM, I'm Max Foster. Here are some of today's top stories.

Donald Trump will be in a New York courtroom today for opening statements in the first ever criminal trial of a former U.S. president. Trump has pleaded not guilty to 34 felony counts for his alleged role in a hush money scheme to conceal an affair with an adult film star.

Hundreds gathered on Sydney's Bondi Beach yesterday to remember the six people killed in last week's Westfield Mall knife attack. Australia's Prime Minister was there, paid tribute to the victims. Twelve others were injured in the attack, including a nine-month-old baby whose mother was killed.

Tokyo held its annual Rainbow Pride parade on Sunday. Supporters of the LGBTQ+ community are calling for more rights and marriage equality. Marriage equality has been a controversial issue in Japan, but it's the only G7 nation without legal protection for same-sex couples.

After months of Republican infighting, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a crucial foreign aid package on Saturday. The $95 billion package is now heading to the Senate and is expected to be approved this week.

The White House is applauding the bill, with President Joe Biden saying he'll sign it. It includes $8 billion for Taiwan and other partners in the region, $26 billion for Israel and $61 billion for Ukraine.

The Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is urging the U.S. to send weapons to the front lines as soon as possible. He says it will help Ukrainians make gains on the battlefield, which has been dominated by Russia now for months. CNN's Fred Pleitgen has more.

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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The Ukrainians are saying that after the House of Representatives passed that Ukraine aid package that they now need to get their hands on those weapons and also on ammunition as fast as possible. Of course, they understand it still needs to go through the Senate, still needs to be signed by the President. But the Ukrainians are saying they are in drastic need of artillery ammunition and especially also anti- aircraft missiles as well.

They say that right now is a very difficult situation in many areas of the front line. In fact, Ukrainians acknowledging they lost a key village in the east of the country, which is very important to the defense on the eastern front. And in part, I've been in that area, they were saying that they are very much starved for artillery ammunition in those areas.

And so therefore the President of this country, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, he actually came out and he said that it's absolutely key from when political decisions are made to things being delivered to the Ukrainians, that that process speeds up as fast as possible.

Now, here in Kyiv, I was able to speak to Wladimir Klitschko, who is, of course, the former world boxing champion, the brother of the mayor of Kyiv, and also someone who's still very much involved in the defense of this country. And he told me what he thinks, why this aid package is so important to the Ukrainians.

WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO, FORMER WORLD BOXING CHAMPION: There's great potential to change the front line so we can, in Ukraine, defend us better. It sends also a very important signal to Putin's Russia that you're not going to win this war. This senseless war that has been started over two and a half years ago, almost two and a half years ago. It sends a message of motivation for us Ukrainians that we are not alone.

It did send also for Republicans and Democrats in the U.S. in these critical moments to stand together and make this decision together to protect democracy in this world.

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PLEITGEN: The Russians, for their part, obviously not happy that this aid package was now approved by the House of Representatives. In fact, the Foreign Ministry of Russia, accusing the United States of using Ukrainians as what they call, quote, cannon fodder. The Ukrainians obviously see all of that very differently. They say that for them, for their survival, it is absolutely key to get their hands on more American weapons and more American ammunition.

Of course, one of the things that the president of this country, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, has said in the past is that if this aid package hadn't gone through, there was a real chance that the Ukrainians might lose the war against Russia.

Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Kyiv.

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FOSTER: Joining us now, Clare Sebastian. In terms of the impact this has on the ground, it's going to be pretty transformational, isn't it?

CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I mean, President Zelensky is saying, you know, I'll believe it when I see it, basically. He says he won't make an assessment on whether Ukraine can win until the aid actually starts arriving.

But this, the analysts are saying that what this will do essentially is help stabilize the front line. Ukraine will be able to sort of reconstitute its forces, build back up, continue those deep strikes, possibly within Russian territory and occupied regions, which will help degrade Russia a little bit more. But they're not talking about Ukraine going on the offensive this year, more about using this year to sort of recover and build back up from the profound impact of the delay in this delivery of aid, and then perhaps launch some kind of renewed counteroffensive in 2025.

President Zelenskyy obviously mixing this fulsome praise for the U.S. and gratitude with a clear call to even faster action here. Take a listen.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): This aid will strengthen Ukraine and send the Kremlin a powerful signal that it will not be the second Afghanistan. The United States will stay with Ukraine, will protect the Ukrainians, and they will protect democracy in the world.

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SEBASTIAN: So I thought it was really significant that he suddenly brought up Afghanistan, because obviously the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, along with all the criticism that came with that around the U.S. leadership role in the world, was just six months before the invasion of Ukraine. And he was sending a message there, he said to the Kremlin, but I think also to the U.S. to get their attention.

And what's really significant is that the Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova, also brought up Afghanistan in a press conference on Sunday, but she said the opposite. She said that what she called the U.S. hybrid war against Russia, of course, the Kremlin continually making the point, they say that the U.S. is using Ukraine essentially as a proxy to fight Russia. She says that will turn into the same loud and humiliating U.S. fiasco as it did in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

So there's a lot of talk of, you know, how this proves on the Ukrainian side that the U.S. is back in this leadership role. But of course, speed is of the essence on the U.S. side. The Pentagon has said that they can move if needed within days. The precedent has shown that they can do that.

And we have Senator Mark Warner, the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, saying on CBS on Sunday that he hopes Ukraine will get ATACMS, those critical long-range missiles, he says, at the end of the week. FOSTER: OK, Clare, thank you.

As part of that wide-ranging aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, a bill that could ban TikTok is also heading to the Senate for approval. This new bill gives TikTok nine months up from a previous six to separate from its current Chinese parent company, ByteDance. The social media app is seen as a national security risk by many in Congress.

So if the Senate approves the legislation and President Joe Biden signs it, TikTok could be forced to find a new owner or be banned entirely from the U.S.

CNN's Marc Stewart joins us live from Beijing. I mean, this is a real challenge, isn't it, for ByteDance because it's, you know, it's basically being fast-tracked. And ByteDance needs to know if it's, what it's going to do if it's faced with this, you know, serious decision about whether or not to sell it or have it closed.

MARC STEWART, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The fate is very much murky, Max, as you have pointed out. In fact, I was talking to one expert, one longtime observer of the Chinese tech sphere. And as he put it to me, this is a moment of truth for Beijing.

We have reached out to China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs. We are still awaiting a response. But based off of our past reporting, I think it is more than fair to say Beijing is not keen on this idea of selling off TikTok.

In fact, it would not like the -- it doesn't like the idea of American lawmakers telling them what to do. So it's something that certainly would be frowned upon.

It was just a few weeks ago that I asked a ministry spokesperson about this possible move by the United States Congress about this potential sale of TikTok and about some of the distrust that has been expressed by American lawmakers and by the American public.

And the response was this is an act of bullying by America and would backfire on the United States.

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The opinion, though, of the Chinese government is very important here. If we look at Chinese companies, they are required by law to have what essentially amounts to be a panel, a committee of Communist Party members within their staff. Now, they are there in an observing type of role, but it's very likely that that kind of rubs off and impacts decision making.

So in reality, this is going to be a very long legal road if the United States Congress moves forward as expected.

Finally, Max, I think some context here is also important. Here in China, where I live, if I want to go on to Google, if I want to go on to Facebook, Instagram, X or YouTube, all of those platforms are blocked by the Chinese government.

So this is a big contrast and it's going to be a big philosophical confrontation by the United States and by China moving forward.

FOSTER: I wonder if they are also aware, ByteDance, that there will be a huge backlash in America, particularly amongst younger people, if TikTok is taken away and perhaps that might help resolve this.

STEWART: Well, the backlash is real from young people and from business owners. So that is why I think there will be a long legal road in the United States to see if some kind of agreement can be reached.

FOSTER: OK, Marc, thank you so much for joining us from Beijing.

Still to come, environmental advocates are calling for a drastic reduction, plastic reduction -- or production rather, to save the Earth. Here their call to action in this year's Earth Day.

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FOSTER: Today is Earth Day, where more than 50 -- for more than 50 years, activists and educators have worked together to drive positive action for the planet.

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Planet versus plastics is this year's theme, with earthday.org pushing to raise awareness about the harm that plastic does, both to humans and to the environment. They say recycling is not the answer. Instead, the group has set a bold goal for the planet, reducing plastic production by 60 percent by the year 2040.

Some of the ways they think this can happen include phasing out single-use plastics by 2030, advocating for policy to combat the impact of fast fashion or clothes that include fabrics made of plastic. And finally, the group is calling for larger investments in technology to find alternatives to plastic.

In Norway, a project to build a nearly 54-kilometre or 34-mile power line could threaten the summer pastureland where reindeer give birth and raise their young.

Supporters say it'll bring down the country's carbon emissions, but Indigenous herders say they've already lost too much land. Isa Soares has that story.

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ISA SOARES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On the snowy Finnmark Plateau in northern Norway, hundreds of reindeer circle their enclosure.

But a few hundred kilometers away, the coastal areas where these beautiful creatures call home during the summer may be in jeopardy. The Norwegian government plans to build a power line through that land, to supply Western Europe's largest liquefied natural gas plant. But native herders, called the Sami, are fearful that this construction will scare them away from their grazing area, disrupting the animals' behavior.

NILS MATHIS SARA, REINDEER HERDER (through translator): Yes, to cut emissions is great, and all the talk about the green energy sounds great to me. But to start digging in the wilderness and call that a green transition, that doesn't make sense to me.

SOARES (voice-over): On this land, female reindeer give birth and fawn, eat grass and other growth to build up enough weight to survive the cold winter months.

The power line will connect the natural gas plant to the national power grid, helping reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Norway has pledged to reduce greenhouse gas emissions at least 55 percent by 2030, compared to 1990 levels.

KJETIL MYKLEBUST, DIRECTOR, EQUINOR PROJECT: The Norwegian gas has become really important for the energy security in Europe. Around six and a half million European households rely on the energy from this plant.

SOARES (voice-over): The natural gas plant project director says they are confident they will be able to create good solutions for those affected.

MYKLEBUST: We understand their uncertainty. There could be dilemmas when we are developing energy infrastructure in close to the reindeer herders.

SOARES (voice-over): Not only are the reindeer potentially threatened, but the proposed power line also threatens a way of life for the Sami people. Reindeer are essential for the Sami culture and life, providing everything from clothes to food.

Demonstrating the actions countries are taking to cut emissions can lead to tough choices.

Isa Soares, CNN.

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FOSTER: The U.S. anti-doping agency says its global counterpart and Chinese officials have swept positive drug tests under the rug. More on that in just a moment.

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FOSTER: The global sports anti-doping watchdog is under fire for a case involving a group of Chinese swimmers testing positive for a banned drug in the lead up to the Tokyo Olympics, where some of the accused athletes wound up winning gold as well. Our Kristie Lu Stout has the latest from Hong Kong. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The World Anti-Doping Agency has slammed allegations that it mishandled a case involving more than 20 elite Chinese swimmers who tested positive for a banned performance- enhancing drug. On Saturday, WADA confirmed reports that 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned drug before the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, and it accepted China's findings that this was due to substance contamination.

Multiple media reports said that the swimmers tested positive for TMZ. This is a heart medication that has been banned by WADA since 2014. China's swim team went on to win six medals, including three golds at the Tokyo Games, which began in July 2021 due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Now, WADA said that it, quote, carefully reviewed a decision from the Chinese anti-doping agency to allow the swimmers to compete. WADA said it was notified in June 2021 of the agency's ruling.

In a statement on Saturday, WADA said this, quote: As part of its review, WADA collected additional, unpublished scientific information on TMZ and consulted with independent scientific experts to test the contamination theory and also whether low doses of TMZ could have benefited the athletes during swimming competition event.

WADA ultimately concluded that it was not in a position to disprove the possibility that contamination was a source of TMZ and it was compatible with the analytical data in the file, unquote.

World Aquatics, the sports global body, said it was confident that the positive tests were diligently handled. The U.S. anti-doping agency chief accused WADA and Chinese officials of mishandling the case and failing to follow the rules around drugs in sport.

On the social media platform X, the chief of the U.S. anti-doping agency, Travis Tygart said this, quote: When you blow away their rhetoric, the facts remain as have been reported. WADA failed to provisionally suspend the athletes, disqualify results, and publicly disclose the positives. These are egregious failures, even if you buy their story that this was contamination and a potent drug magically appeared in a kitchen and led to 23 positive tests of elite Chinese swimmers, unquote.

Now, TMZ affects the metabolism. It's believed to help with endurance and physical activity. It came to the fore during the 2022 Beijing Winter Games when the Russian figure skater, Kamila Valieva, tested positive for the drug and was given a four-year ban.

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Now, CNN has reached out to the Chinese Olympic Committee for comment.

WADA says it stands by the results of its investigation of the Chinese swimmers. It has slammed Tygart's allegations as outrageous, completely false, and defamatory.

And earlier, WADA said that it had, quote: No choice but to refer this matter to its legal counsel for further action.

All this comes ahead of this year's Paris Olympics, where China is expected to contend for more medals and compete under more scrutiny.

Kristie Lu Stout, CNN, Hong Kong.

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FOSTER: Formula One champion Max Verstappen has another victory under his belt, this time in China. The Red Bull driver had a comfortable lead in Sunday's Chinese Formula One Grand Prix in Shanghai, finishing 14 seconds ahead of the second-place driver.

It was the first race in China since before the pandemic and also the home debut of China's first F1 driver, Zhou Guanyu. Max Verstappen has won every race this season, except the Australian Grand Prix. He was forced to pull out of that race early due to mechanical issues.

And finally this hour, I want to show you this incredible video of an American surfer who won her first World Championship tour event on Sunday, all whilst riding a wave next to a pod of dolphins. 22-year- old Gabrielle O'Brien called the winning wave and the dolphins absolutely magical.

Thanks for joining me here on CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Max Foster in London. CNN "THIS MORNING" up next after this break.