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Three Detainees at Guantanamo Bay Take Their Own Lives

Aired June 10, 2006 - 17:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: Three Guantanamo detainees apparently commit suicide. We have a live report. You are going to hear from the head commander down at Guantanamo Bay.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are reports of thousands of women being transported to Germany for sex during the World Cup.

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LIN: That's the State Department talking about soccer, sex and human trafficking. The seamier side of the World Cup.

And...

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LT. GEN. KARL EIKENBERRY, COMBINED FORCES COMMANDER, AFGHANISTAN: We have an obligation to one day either kill or capture bin Laden for the purpose of justice to the American people, and, indeed, to the entire world, for the misery that this man has inflicted.

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LIN: Hunting Osama -- the search for the world's most wanted terrorist presses on.

Hello and welcome to CNN LIVE SATURDAY.

I'm Carol Lin.

All that and more after this quick check of the headlines.

What you are looking at is a scene out of Guantanamo Bay. Three detainees apparently commit suicide at GITMO. The Pentagon is holding a briefing this hour. In fact, any moment now we are going to bring you to that. And a report from Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr.

Also, possible trouble in the Caribbean. We are keeping an eye on the first tropical depression of the season. It could become a tropical storm and hit the United States by Monday.

Now, after a couple of days of quiet, violence is returning to Baghdad, and with a vengeance. In one incident, a roadside bomb ripped through a market in the Iraqi capital, killing three people and wounding 28 others. At 7:00 p.m. Eastern, tonight, CNN's Wolf Blitzer takes an in- depth look at the situation in "IRAQ: A WEEK AT WAR."

And a wildfire is burning across 15,000 acres in Alaska. One home so far has been destroyed. Train travel has been suspended and they're warning of delays on the highway between Fairbanks and Anchorage.

But up first this hour, the apparent suicides at Guantanamo Bay.

CNN's Barbara Starr has the very latest from Washington.

BARBARA STARR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Carol, we are now awaiting a news conference by the U.S. Southern Command, which is in charge of Guantanamo Bay. That is headquartered, of course, in Florida. They are expected to offer the latest details.

But the announcement coming officially from the United States military just a couple of hours ago that earlier today, apparently three detainees at Guantanamo Bay were found to have committed suicide.

That is two people from Saudi Arabia, one Yemeni. They were found in their detention cells by guards. The military telling us they rendered immediate emergency medical assistance, tried all possible life saving measures before they were pronounced dead by a physician.

Now, we can also tell you that the State Department has been brought into this matter to deal with the governments of Saudi Arabia and Yemen about making arrangements, presumably, to return the remains of the dead detainees back to their country.

We are also told that there is a so-called cultural adviser assisting the U.S. military in this matter because, of course, under the Islamic faith, those who have died must be buried as quickly as possible, even within hours of their death.

At the moment, there is no official word from the U.S. military as to how these men apparently committed suicide. That may come out at the press conference. But, of course, several detainees over the last many years at Guantanamo Bay have attempted suicide, many of them by hanging or hoarding their medication and trying to overdose.

To this date, none of them have succeeded in that until today. This is likely to spark a good deal of discussion around the world, Carol, because many organizations, of course, have called upon the Bush administration to close down that facility -- Carol.

LIN: That's right.

In fact, Barbara, the president even, in a speech over in Europe, I think, back in May, had actually specifically mentioned that he would like to see Guantanamo closed, but that he was waiting for a Supreme Court decision on whether detainees would be held in a civilian trial or in a military trial. Any resolution on that?

STARR: There is not, at this point. And the administration, including Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, has been fairly consistent about that. What they say is the U.S. does not want to be the world's jailers for these terrorists who they strongly believe must be held because they do pose a threat. There has, in fact, been a very significant effort over the last several years for those who do no longer pose a threat or have any intelligence value, to return them to their home countries or to return them to detention in their home countries.

The U.S. very much would like to get out of this business of having a permanent detention facility. But until this legal matter is resolved -- and no one can really say when exactly that will be -- some 400 to 500 detainees being held by the U.S. military at the facility on the island of Cuba.

LIN: Barbara Starr, thank you very much.

I know you're standing by to wait and hear this audio press conference that's going to take place out of Miami, Southern Command.

We're also going to be hearing from the commander down at Guantanamo to see what he has to say about this investigation.

And we also have one of our CNN military analysts, Don Shepperd. He actually visited Guantanamo, took a tour through there. He's going to have tremendous insight on what might have happened, how they're going to handle this investigation.

So I invite all of you to stay tuned.

In the meantime, we do have some background in case you haven't heard about this story in quite some time.

I want to tell you a little bit more about the facility down there and why the U.S. has been holding what it calls enemy combatants at Guantanamo, actually, since 2001.

Now, before today there had been 41 suicide attempts by 25 different inmates. As many as 759 detainees have been held at GITMO and there are about 460 there now.

We want to take you now to the latest out of Iraq. A shot in the arm for the war in Iraq. The notorious terrorist, Abu Musab al- Zarqawi, killed Wednesday in the U.S. air strike. Al-Zarqawi had sworn allegiance to Osama bin Laden and Washington insiders consider his death a big blow to al Qaeda.

All right, but so does the death of al-Zarqawi make us safer here at home?

Maybe not.

As CNN's Gary Nurenberg reports, the nature of threat has changed dramatically.

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GARY NURENBERG, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The arrest of Canadian nationals in an alleged Toronto terrorism plot earlier this month is a stark reminder to American law enforcement.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that if we do see a terrorist attack in the coming years, the chances are probably higher that it will be a homegrown one.

NURENBERG: It's largely the result of a successful campaign against the heart of the old al Qaeda.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because al Qaeda itself has seen its capabilities degraded, we've seen the rise of what we call self- starter terrorists.

NURENBERG: That's how authorities describe Torrance, California prisoner Kevin James. The government says he recruited other inmates and planned a series of Los Angeles terrorist attacks funded by gas station robberies. Those robberies led police to the plot last fall.

JOHN MILLER, ASSISTANT PUBLIC AFFAIRS DIRECTOR, FBI: The date was set, the weapons were obtained. I mean all they had left to do was go forward.

NURENBERG (on camera): FBI Director Robert Mueller calls attacks on transportation systems in London and Madrid homegrown plots and says: "You have to be concerned the same thing could be happening in the United States."

PETER BERGEN, CNN ANALYST: Union Station would be one of, you know, many such targets. You know, we've seen Washington, of course, New York are major targets in Washington and New York. And, of course, they want to kill a lot of people.

NURENBERG (voice-over): Terrorism expert Peter Bergen says the lack of international resources limits homegrown terrorists.

BERGEN: These sort of self-starting groups are capable of significant terrorist attacks, but not catastrophic attacks, as we saw on 9/11.

NURENBERG: CNN analyst Richard Falkenrath is a former deputy Homeland Security adviser to President Bush.

RICHARD FALKENRATH, CNN SECURITY ANALYST: I'm very concerned. I think it's a real risk. It could happen any day. And the hardest terrorist plot to detect is one without any connections to the outside world.

NURENBERG: So the FBI is looking inward, training local police.

MILLER: So that they know what to look for. I think we've made tremendous strides there. And the place where we need to continue to strive is on the community relations piece, particularly with the Muslim community.

NURENBERG: Because homegrown terrorists are most likely to be caught with a homegrown tip.

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NURENBERG: The experts we talked to agree that homegrown terrorists are a genuine concern and in North America now, a growing threat -- Carol.

LIN: Clearly.

Gary, thank you so much for that.

We've got more on the war on terror right now.

Rayed Mohammed Abdullah Ali has been deported from New Zealand, where he signed up for flying lessons.

Now, why do you care about this?

Well, Rayed Abdullah lived and trained with 9/11 terrorist Hani Hanjour, who flew a hijacked plane into the Pentagon. He was interviewed by the FBI, but never charged. New Zealand said today that it sent him to Saudi Arabia last month.

Wednesday's deadly air strike on Abu Musab al-Zarqawi reignites another often asked question -- why has it taken so long to find public enemy number one, Osama bin Laden, who is still on the run- nearly five years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

CNN's Barbara Starr once again reporting here tonight, filed this report before she left for Afghanistan.

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STARR (voice-over): U.S. troops got Abu Musab al-Zarqawi the old-fashioned way -- tracking tips and assembling intelligence. And that is why four-and-a-half years after the 9/11 attacks, it is still so hard to get Osama bin Laden.

EIKENBERRY: We will keep after him until one day he is either captured or killed.

STARR: Lieutenant General Karl Eikenberry commands 23,000 troops in Afghanistan, but they are not allowed to cross the border into Pakistan, where bin Laden is believed to be sheltered by loyal tribes and Taliban fighters. If there are tips, the U.S. either has to rely on Pakistani troops or armed drones to act on them. So far, neither has worked, although many al Qaeda leaders have been taken out.

As the hunt has continued, the war in Afghanistan has taken a grim turn.

(on camera): The U.S. military says it's fighting an insurgency now here in Afghanistan. And a counter-insurgency campaign, they say, could take years to succeed.

(voice-over): The Taliban are stronger now than anyone expected, especially in the south and east along the Pakistan border.

MAJ. GEN. BENJAMIN FREAKLEY, COMBINED JOINT TASK FORCE 76: The fight has not diminished. It -- but they have had time to reorganize. They've had time to recruit more. They've had time to get the funding.

STARR: Eikenberry knows that could make getting bin Laden even tougher. But that's his mission.

EIKENBERRY: We have an obligation to one day either kill or capture bin Laden for the purpose of justice to the American people and, indeed, to the entire world for the misery that this man has inflicted. And we keep faith with that.

STARR: Intelligence officials tell CNN they continue to get unverified reports of bin Laden sightings. If one of those tips ever pans out, the greatest likelihood is that the CIA would quickly launch a predator drone carrying a missile and attempt to kill the world's most wanted man.

Barbara Starr, CNN, the Pentagon.

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LIN: More great reporting on this. You don't want to miss "THE WORLD'S MOST WANTED," a "CNN PRESENTS" special that airs tonight and tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. Eastern. It includes in-depth reports on al- Zarqawi as well as Osama bin Laden and Ayman el-Zawahiri.

And tonight at 7:00 Eastern, Wolf Blitzer hosts "IRAQ: A WEEK AT WAR." CNN's team of correspondents around the world brings you an in- depth look at major events in the war on terror.

Again, that's tonight at 7:00 Eastern, only on CNN.

ANNOUNCER: You're watching CNN, your severe weather headquarters.

LIN: We have a developing story in the Caribbean, where the first tropical depression of the hurricane season may strengthen and intensify into Tropical Storm Alberto.

So let's check in with CNN meteorologist Jacqui Jeras for the very latest on the storm -- Jacqui, I just want to warn you, I may interrupt you for this live briefing that we're getting from Southern Command in Miami on the detainee situation.

But please go ahead.

JACQUI JERAS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Sure.

Well, we just got information from the National Hurricane Center. They're keeping this a tropical depression status, at least for now. The hurricane hunters are continuing to fly into the storm and collecting data. And we'll let you know if there are any changes.

Right now, it's still pretty disorganized as a tropical depression, but very heavy with the convection on the east side of the storm. And that's what's bringing all of this heavy rain across western Cuba. Rainfall amounts of 10 to 20 inches expected. And in the higher elevations, they could see as much as 30 inches of rain.

So this is the big threat with this storm system.

It's also been slowing down its forward speed a little bit throughout the afternoon hours. It was moving about 10 miles per hour, 12 miles per hour earlier today, and now it's slowed down to about six miles per hour. So that gives it a little time to change its configuration a little bit.

Right now, the forecast is continuing to have it strengthen slightly into tropical storm status, and that would make it Tropical Storm Alberto. That will probably happen later on tonight or into tomorrow.

But it's going to encounter a couple of problems as it gets into the Gulf of Mexico. We've got some very dry air in place and we also have a little bit of wind shear coming in from the southwest. And with those factors coming into play despite very, very warm, ripe ocean water temperatures of at least 80 degrees -- about 80 to 85 degrees right now in the Gulf.

Those two other factors are going to keep this, we think, at tropical storm strength and not allow it to become a hurricane. So hopefully that will continue to happen.

Computer models in fairly good agreement here, bringing it toward the west coast of Florida. But the timing still pretty uncertain. Our best estimate right now is going to be late on Monday and into Tuesday for landfall on the west coast. But everybody from the Panhandle down to Fort Myers needs to pay close attention, because even if you're not getting direct landfall, everybody should be getting in on some very heavy rain.

The Keys have been seeing some occasional showers throughout the day today, as well as the Miami metro area. That's quieted down a little bit at this hour, but rainfall amounts between now and Monday could range between four and eight inches from the Keys along the west coast of Florida. And that rain will be the big key over the next couple of days -- Carol.

LIN: And, Jacqui, thank you so much.

Jacqui Jeras is going to be on top of this all weekend long with us.

JERAS: You bet.

LIN: In the meantime, we are waiting any moment now to hear from the Southern Command in Miami about the circumstances around the suicide of three Guantanamo Bay detainees. These are terror suspects awaiting whatever their fate may be. That is going to be up to the Supreme Court.

But in the meantime, lots of questions about how this happened and who these detainees are.

When that happens, we are going to bring it to you.

In the meantime, coming up, military families are mad about the investigations of some of their boys. A live report from Camp Pendleton.

But first, how can detainees commit suicide?

We are going to talk with General Don Shepperd, who was at the base one year ago.

And, once again, waiting for that briefing.

All right, let me get some clear direction.

Do you -- is the briefing going on?

All right, the briefing is starting, folks.

Let's take you down to Miami, where we are going to hear from the head of the Southern Command, the United States Southern Command, General Craddock, as well as the commander of the Joint Task Force at Guantanamo, Rear Admiral Harry Harris.

GEN. JOHN CRADDOCK, COMMANDER, U.S. SOUTHERN COMMAND: I would like to inform you of what happened earlier today at Joint Task Force Guantanamo.

We have on the speaker phone here Admiral Harry Harris, the commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo.

Following my opening statement, Admiral Harris will have a chance to make a statement and then we will both be available to answer your questions.

Today, the United States Southern Command announced that three detainees died of apparent suicides earlier today, two Saudis and one Yemeni, each located (AUDIO GAP) were found by guards unresponsive and not breathing.

Medical teams responded quickly and all three detainees were provided immediate emergency medical treatment in attempts to revive them.

The three detainees were pronounced dead by a physician after all life-saving measures had been exhausted.

At this time, the names of the detainees are not being released.

The State Department notified and is ongoing -- in ongoing discussions with the governments of Saudi Arabia and Yemen. The remains of the deceased detainees are being treated with the utmost respect. A cultural adviser is assisting the Joint Task Force to ensure that the remains are handled in a culturally and religiously appropriate manner.

The United States Naval Criminal Investigative Service, NCIS, has initiated an investigation per standard operating procedures to determine the circumstances surrounding the deaths.

Detainees are held at Joint Task Force Guantanamo because they are dangerous and continue to pose a threat to the United States and their allies. They have expressed a commitment to kill Americans and our friends if released. These are not common criminals. They are enemy combatants being detained because they have waged war against our nation and they continue to pose a threat.

But if I may, let me briefly summarize. These were the first three detainee deaths at Guantanamo, despite numerous previous attempts by detainees to commit suicide. In accordance with the Department of Defense policy, an investigation by the (AUDIO GAP) Investigative Service to determine the circumstances surrounding the deaths is underway. Autopsies will be performed to determine the exact cause and manner of death.

The Joint Task Force is already reviewing an adjusting procedures, as appropriate, to private the recurrence of an incident of this nature.

Finally, the mission of detention and interrogation at Guantanamo continues. The mission is vital to the security of our nation and our allies, and is being carried out professionally and humanely by the men and women of Joint Task Force Guantanamo.

I will now give Admiral Harris an opportunity to speak and then we will take your questions.

Harry?

REAR ADM. HARRY HARRIS, COMMANDER, JOINT TASK FORCE GUANTANAMO: Thank you, sir.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

I'm Rear Admiral Harry Harris.

I appreciate this opportunity to talk with all of you to tell you of what happened earlier today.

General Craddock has given you an overview of the events of the last 18 hours.

Let me give you an inside the wires view.

Our guard force is committed to the safe and humane care and custody of the enemy combatants that are held here. An alert professional guard noticed something out of the ordinary in the cell of one of the detainees. The guard's response was swift and professional to secure the area and check on the status of the detainee.

When it was apparent that the detainee had hung himself, the guard force and medical teams reacted quickly to attempt to save the detainee's life. The detainee was unresponsive and not breathing.

While medical teams (AUDIO GAP) the guard force began to check on the health and welfare of the other detainees. Two detainees in their cells had also hung themselves.

Again, the guard force and the medical force acted to save the lives of these detainees. To no avail (AUDIO GAP) the three were pronounced dead by a physician after all life saving measures had been exhausted.

When I arrived (AUDIO GAP) unit (AUDIO GAP) after the detainees were pronounced dead. I could see on the faces of the doctors, nurses, medics and corpsmen that they were mourning the loss of a patient. Our medical staff is top notch. They worked hard to provide these men, who were determined to take their own lives. And I believe the guard force also performed magnificently in responding to a demanding and potentially dangerous situation. They did exactly what they are trained to do.

As General Craddock mentioned, the detainees we have here are dangerous men. They're committed to killing Americans on the battlefield and in Guantanamo, and they're obviously willing to kill themselves (AUDIO GAP) their extreme (AUDIO GAP). They are smart, they are creative, they are committed. They have no regard for human life, neither ours nor their own.

I believe this was not an act of desperation, but, rather, an act of (AUDIO GAP) warfare waged against us at Guantanamo.

Thank you.

And now I'll join General Craddock to take your questions.

CRADDOCK: OK.

LIN: All right, we're listening in on this conference call.

It was a really -- I don't want to say a last minute decision by the military to give this press briefing. There are about 100 people on the telephone right now. They're trying to figure out how to take questions. And we are monitoring this behind-the-scenes here.

But in the meantime, I want to bring in Elaine Quijano at the White House right now -- Elaine, this was put together so quickly.

How concerned is the administration about these three suicides?

ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, certainly this is not welcome news, as you know. It was just yesterday, in fact, that President Bush, after a meeting with the prime minister of Denmark, in fact, said that during their meeting, the prime minister of Denmark actually raised the question of the future of Guantanamo.

And at that time, the president made clear something that he has said before, certainly, that he feels U.S. officials certainly would like to see Guantanamo empty, that detention center empty, and that the United States was in the process of working with other countries to repatriate people.

At the same time, you heard some of the same sentiments echoed just now by military officials that some of the detainees who are being held at Guantanamo, they believe, are, in fact, dangerous, they say, and that they ought to be tried in the United States, is what the president said yesterday.

Now, the president also went on to say yesterday that his administration is certainly waiting for the United States Supreme Court to make a decision on whether or not his administration, in fact, went too far in ordering that detainees be subject to U.S. military tribunals.

But what we heard from the military officials, essentially giving a little bit more detail from the statement that was released earlier this afternoon, as my colleague, Barbara Starr, has been reporting all afternoon, about how, in fact, these three detainees were found.

and we heard, interestingly enough, a great deal of attention being paid to the fact that they wanted to point out a cultural adviser, in fact, has been brought in to help officials deal with these remains. We heard the military officials say that these remains of these detainees are being treated with the utmost respect. Also, this cultural adviser working to ensure that the remains are handled in a "culturally and religiously appropriate manner."

Obviously, this is a very sensitive issue, Carol, and they are taking great pains to show that they are being sensitive in dealing with this -- Carol.

LIN: Well, great pains to show, but there are people overseas who have doubts about the administration and what their intent is at Guantanamo.

In fact, I'm going to be talking with one of out military analysts, General Don Sheppard.

He has toured through Guantanamo. He knows that place inside out. He's going to be my guest coming up.

We're going to take a quick break, but a developing story.

Please stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LIN: A developing story out of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba today, where three detainees have apparently committed suicide. Two are Saudi nationals and the other is Yemeni.

Now, the legal status of those detained at Guantanamo, locked up, has long been a point of contention. In fact, just in the last hour, Attorney Joshua Denbreaux, who represents two Guantanamo prisoners, talked to us.

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JOSHUA DENBREAUX, ATTORNEY: These people are not enemy combatants, even by the government's own definition. And the government can only claim that they are enemy combatants, only because the government forbids these people from any protections of judicial process. This lack of judicial process intentionally denied by the government is what the government then uses to say, hey, look, they're enemy combatants because we say so. And they're not.

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LIN: All right, so retired Air Force Major General Don Shepperd is my guest tonight.

He's one of our military analysts -- Don, you have spent time down at GITMO. You know how that operation runs.

These detainees, when we heard the briefing out of the Southern Command, they were very careful to say that these are dangerous inmates who pose a threat to this country.

Do you really believe that to be true?

MAJ. GEN. DON SHEPPERD, U.S. AIR FORCE (RET.): I believe of the 460 plus that are there right now, Carol, that that's the view of the American government. Whether that's totally true or not, if you're -- if they were brought to trial, I'm not sure what the results of the trial would be.

But at the time I went there, about a year ago, and up until now, there have been about 800 detainees, not from Iraq, but from Afghanistan. And they were described to us as a mixture of lower level people all the way up to very high level people, all the way from compliant prisons to very, very dangerous prisoners.

Now, we have a problem releasing -- we've released about half of them -- but we have a problem releasing the rest of them for -- not only for legal reasons -- because we want to prosecute some of them, but also because if we repatriate them back to places that want them, they may be tortured and perhaps killed.

So we're trying to sort through all that as Guantanamo has become a symbol. It's a burden on the U.S.

LIN: Don, I'm going to ask you to seriously wear both hats.

SHEPPERD: Yes?

LIN: You're a military analyst right here at CNN. You're familiar with journalism. You're obviously very experienced in the life of a military man and how these military operations are conducted.

When you take a look at how quickly they scrambled to get this press briefing -- it had to be a teleconference because they didn't even have time to get cameras there. And then you listen to the language in the briefing, the Rear Admiral, the commander down there at Guantanamo, called it an act of warfare, these suicides.

What do you make of the language and the timing of this briefing?

SHEPPERD: Carol, they're doing about what I would do if I were still in uniform. It's the only thing you can do.

Guantanamo has become a, as I say, a symbol of the United States. Zarqawi was a symbol and Guantanamo is a symbol. And it's a very burdensome symbol on us.

And so what they are basically doing is trying to get out as much information as possible, letting them know letting us know what happened, but trying to be sensitive on this and trying to get ahead of the story, rather, because they know what's coming with this.

they know that the international community is going to be incensed -- did we kill these people? Were we careless? This is clearly an act of defiance, whether it's an act of warfare. That's a choice of words. But it's clearly an act of defiance by the prisoners here.

So they're doing about what I would do and about the only thing you can do when things turn up bad for you.

LIN: Don, Octavia Nasr, our Arab affairs editor, just came back from several meetings all across the Middle East. And I asked her what are they saying? What do they think of Americans?

She said Americans -- it's the first time she has gone back home and said Americans have no credibility.

So, for many people in the Middle East, when they look at an incident like this, it doesn't matter what the military comes out and says about the circumstances, there are going to be vast populations of people overseas who are going to think that those detainees were murdered.

SHEPPERD: Absolutely. No question in my mind, Carol.

You know, the fact that we are in Iraq, viewed as occupiers by the Iraqi people and by surrounding nations is tough. The Middle East is not going to think well of us, even after we leave from Iraq. This is going to take a long time to turn this view around. And the success, or lack of it, in Iraq, is going to be very important to the view of the world and particularly the Middle East on the United States.

This is a tough situation -- Carol.

LIN: Don Shepperd, thank you so much.

SHEPPERD: Thank you.

LIN: We're going to go to Havana live when we come back.

We've got a tropical depression heading to the United States.

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