Return to Transcripts main page
Joy Behar Page
Conrad Murray Trial; Catching Up With Kate; Interview With Jimmy Fallon
Aired August 12, 2011 - 22:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
ANNOUNCER: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, lawyers hunker down for jury selection in the Michael Jackson death trial, but Joy wants to know how Conrad Murray will play to the jurors. Plus, is the Jackson family holding a tribute concert to balance out the bad press that will emerge during the trial?
Then, Kate Gosselin opens up to Joy about raising eight kids on her own all while trying to date and starring in a hit show.
Plus, late night wunderkind Jimmy Fallon is here to talk pop culture, the late night wars and sample his Ben & Jerry`s ice cream flavor.
That and more starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HOST: There`s less than a month to go before the trial starts in the case of Conrad Murray, the doctor who`s charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson. Prosecutors and defense attorneys were in court this week to hammer last minute details in the case.
Here to talk about the latest developments are Brian Osmond, attorney for Joe Jackson; Don Lemon, CNN anchor, and Rikki Klieman, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor.
Rikki, Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter as I said. What does the prosecution plan to argue?
RIKKI KLIEMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The prosecution is going to say that when he injected this drug into Michael Jackson --
BEHAR: Propofol?
KLIEMAN: Propofol, which is one of the drugs that we would expect to be injected under hospital conditions or certainly in other conditions than in a home, that that was a reckless act that therefore caused the death of Michael Jackson, and he should have known that it was possible to cause the death of Michael Jackson. So that`s the essence of the trial.
BEHAR: Ok. So Don, apparently lots of other doctors were allegedly supplying Michael with prescription drugs on demand. Isn`t that going to help the defense?
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Well, it is. And it was revealed today that Arnie Klein (ph) who we`ve heard so much about during this -- he was also Michael Jackson`s doctor -- his assistant -- this guy`s name is Jason Pfeiffer, also has filed some sort of legal action saying that Arnie Klein asked him to get prescription drugs or some sort of painkiller or tranquilizer for Michael Jackson during the time just before his death. Get it in his name, and, Joy, then meet up with Michael Jackson and give him the prescription drugs after that.
This guy`s saying, you know what, I said no to that. And now he`s just come out. It was revealed that he is filing this legal action.
BEHAR: Ok. Brian, the defense has suggested that Michael could have given himself the fatal dose of Propofol while Murray was out of the room. What do you make of that?
BRIAN OSMOND, ATTORNEY FOR JOE JACKSON: No way, Joy. No way. Propofol burns. It`s a very toxic kind of substance and it has to be mixed with lidocaine. The police found bottles of lidocaine, and there was, in fact, a mixture of it.
If Michael self-injected it, he would have taken it out of the bottle of Propofol, put it through the catheter that was involved in his leg. And it would have burned so bad, he would have just yanked that catheter right out. There is no way he self-injected. And furthermore, to do a full syringe by the time you get this much in you, you go to asleep.
BEHAR: I see.
OSMOND: It just wouldn`t have happened.
BEHAR: So as you say, it`s not possible. Go ahead --
(CROSSTALK)
OSMOND: Not possible, Rikki.
KLIEMAN: Well, it`s just not and I, of course, agree with Brian. It`s not the right defense. And I think the ultimate defense is going to be Arnie Klein, Arnie Klein, Arnie Klein, Arnie Klein. We`re going to hear that name of the doctor and any other enablers of Michael Jackson to show that it was not necessarily only Conrad Murray who participated here.
BEHAR: I see.
KLIEMAN: It`s a chain of event.
LEMON: And Joy?
BEHAR: Yes?
LEMON: Joy, you`re going to hear from other people, as well. You`re going to hear from the Chopras. I spoke to them in both of my documentaries I did about Michael Jackson --
BEHAR: Chopras.
LEMON: Deepak.
BEHAR: Oh, really?
LEMON: Deepak Chopra, yes. And Gotham Chopra, who both say that Michael knew the system. He could get basically prescription drugs of anyone he wanted because he was a celebrity and he had that sort of pull. He could do it.
And Deepak even said that Michael asked him for Propofol. He said Michael, no way. Do you know what you`re doing? You should not be doing this drug. So you`re going to hear from not only Arnie Klein but other names -- other doctors` names.
(CROSSTALK)
OSMONDS: Lots of doctors. Lots --
BEHAR: What you`re saying is it took a village to kill Michael Jackson.
KLIEMAN: Well, that`s the defense. There is no question about that.
OSMOND: It did.
LEMON: And here`s the thing. Also when you`re administering a drug like Propofol, when you get it at the dentist or whenever you go in for a procedure, the doctor and assistants they`re usually there the entire time when you`re on this drug. So even if the drug was present and Michael Jackson got the drug, the doctor should have been there to watch him.
BEHAR: And wouldn`t you need an anesthesiologist for this type of drug, no?
KLIEMAN: Not necessarily, though that`s the way we think of it. But the reality is I think that what has just been said is correct. What about the monitoring?
OSMOND: A lot of monitoring.
KLIEMAN: You just don`t go out and to make a phone call. You don`t go out to get a sandwich. You have to be there.
BEHAR: Ok. Now, Don --
(CROSSTALK)
OSMOND: It`s going to be an empty-chair defense, Joy. It`s that there`s other doctors there who should be in that courtroom. There`s other people, the producers. It`s called the empty-chair defense, and it might work for Conrad Murray. We`re very worried about it.
BEHAR: Ok. The empty-chair defense.
The prosecution wants the judge to review the medical records of Murray`s other patients. Don, why would they try to do that? And wouldn`t that be a violation of privacy? Go ahead, Don.
LEMON: Well, I mean it is. They don`t have to reveal the information about the other people. It doesn`t have to be revealed to the rest of the court. But they do want to talk about, and obviously they want to see if there were some inconsistencies or any wrongdoing with other patient; if there were some impropriety with other medications. I think it`s obvious why they want to do it.
But that HIPAA laws that you were mentioning, that`s going to pose a problem. But maybe the people who are looking into it, the prosecution and all people in court can look at this, and the records may not be given to the general public.
KLIEMAN: I cannot believe that ultimately that these records are going to come into evidence. It`s always the problem when a prosecution, particularly in California, they have this need to overreach. They`ve got a simple case here.
They don`t have to add on all of this other stuff that, number one, if it does get in, if there`s a conviction, can be reversible error. Number two, we don`t really know that any other drug administration or prescriptions that he may have given to other patients has anything to do with what he did or didn`t do with Michael Jackson.
BEHAR: Right. Ok. Brian --
OSMOND: I have to agree with that.
BEHAR: Go ahead, go ahead.
OSMOND: I have to agree with that. I agree because you have this -- I don`t care what Dr. Murray did with his other patients. It makes no difference to me. And I don`t think that a jury, be it in Los Angeles or anywhere else, really gives two hoots about that.
They want to know what happened here, and they want to concentrate on the evidence in this courtroom, in this case.
LEMON: But Brian, it shows a pattern. In any legal case -- and I`m not an attorney, but any legal case that I`ve covered, if you can find something in someone`s history that shows the type of behavior in the case that you`re fighting, it shows a pattern.
OSMOND: That would be true, Don. I would agree with that. But I don`t think we`re going to find a pattern that`s like Michael Jackson. It`s just not going to be there.
KLIEMAN: I agree with Brian. But then again, I often agree with Brian.
BEHAR: You do?
Ok. Brian, at one point, the defense had over 100 people on their witness list including Michael`s kids. What will they be able to speak to, the children? What are they --
OSMOND: Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. We`re going to have little Paris come into this courtroom --
BEHAR: Little Blanket.
OSMOND: And they`re going to ask her -- Blanket might be there, too. But Paris really has the compelling testimony. Remember seeing her at the tribute where she cried for her daddy. She`s so emotional. She is going to testify, "My daddy was so cold, he was so cold. He was by the fireplace at night, in the middle of June. We tried to get him to warm himself up. We were afraid he was going to fall into the fireplace." This is what she cried to La Toya at the emergency room. "And now look at my daddy. He`s so cold on the table."
Michael Jackson was sick. He was ill. He was anemic. He could not get warm, and this is going play a big part in Conrad Murray`s defense that Michael Jackson was taking drugs from other doctors that made brain swelling, gave him chronic bronchitis and pneumonia. Conrad Murray is going to use little Paris to prove Michael Jackson was sick.
LEMON: And don`t forget -- don`t forget, the children were in the home when Michael Jackson died. He called -- according to the search warrant affidavit -- he called one of the children up to see, to come and help him and do CPR on Michael Jackson. So the children are going to be -- they`re going to be forefront in this trial.
KLIEMAN: They`re witnesses, they`re in the house.
BEHAR: Yes. Let`s talk about the jury for a second, Rikki. Lawyers are still working on a jury questionnaire that has 117 questions. What are they trying to find out from prospective jurors?
KLIEMAN: Well, they want to find out what real facts. That is, what drugs that the prospective jurors may have used in their own life. I`m talking about legal drugs. They also may want to know how the jurors feel about Michael Jackson himself. What they know in terms of pre-trial publicity. And those are the kinds of questions that are really directed to find out about this specific case.
But they`re also general questions that we lawyers like to know because it tells us something about them, including the fact of what TV programs they watch. These -- this questionnaire we are led to believe certainly does want to know what -- if these jurors have -- prospective jurors have been watching the Casey Anthony trial, if they`ve watched Nancy Grace. There are things that these lawyers want to know, and frankly, I think they`re entitled to know.
BEHAR: Well --
LEMON: Yes. And they want to know, too, if their lifestyle can sustain a two-month-long-trial.
KLIEMAN: Sure.
BEHAR: You know, it didn`t hurt Casey Anthony to be watching Nancy Grace.
KLIEMAN: Well, not only didn`t it hurt Casey Anthony, it also didn`t hurt Michael Jackson when he was on trial for alleged child molestation. And both Nancy Grace and Diane Dimond were saying "guilty, guilty, guilty" and ultimately he was acquitted too. So you know, if the jurors --
OSMOND: But we had to deal with that.
BEHAR: I see. Go ahead, finish up there.
OSMOND: We had to deal with that. It`s part of the entire environment. And in fact, it cause says jurors to react adversely as a bottom line. They don`t want other people telling them what to do.
BEHAR: Right.
OSMOND: And that`s the real impact of the media.
BEHAR: I can see that.
LEMON: Yes.
BEHAR: Ok. Thanks, everyone.
LEMON: Thanks.
BEHAR: And make sure you watch Don Lemon when he sits in for me the week of August 22nd because I`ll be on vacation. We`ll be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: Kate Gosselin is raising eight kids, filming a reality show and trying to find a man. Good luck with that one.
Ok, here`s a clip from the new season of "Kate plus 8".
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you guys decorate all the cupcakes you want in whatever colors. And then we`re going to tack them on to the head bands.
KATE GOSSELIN, STAR, "KATE PLUS 8": These cute adorable precious little cupcakes that I swear have zero calories in them, Sophie and Katherine decided to attach them to head bands.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We put cupcakes on to head bands. It didn`t really work.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh you have no idea what`s happening on top of your head, child.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Ok, I`m happy to welcome back to my show Kate Gosselin. Hello Kate.
GOSSELIN: Hello.
BEHAR: Why can`t they wear barrettes like other children?
GOSSELIN: What? What are you --
BEHAR: Cupcakes on their heads?
GOSSELIN: I know, seriously. Sophie and Katherine came up with that. I was very disturbed because I was thinking someone was going to end up with sticky hair but --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Remind me again how many kids you have.
GOSSELIN: What am I at now -- 800? Oh, I mean eight.
BEHAR: You have eight.
GOSSELIN: Yes, right.
BEHAR: You had -- you had -- you had them all -- no. You didn`t have them all at once.
GOSSELIN: Twins and then six.
BEHAR: Twins and six. That`s it, I get you mixed up with the octomom - -
(CROSSTALK)
GOSSELIN: No, no.
BEHAR: Ok. People are critical of her, you know, the octomom. I had her on the show. And she`s -- she`s kind of in a tough spot, I think, don`t you think?
You don`t care.
GOSSELIN: I`m -- well, I don`t know her. I don`t know.
BEHAR: Well, we don`t know her.
GOSSELIN: I mean I think all moms with kids are in a tough spot. But --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Yes.
But no, she has eight children and she had another. What does she have, four more there?
GOSSELIN: No, I think, didn`t she have six and then eight?
BEHAR: Something like that. But see -- she says that she`s asked to do a reality show but she won`t do it because she exploits the children. Does that insult you when you hear something like that?
GOSSELIN: I just -- if -- if that`s what your opinion is, it`s clearly because you`ve never done it and I control it quite nicely and the kids are enjoying it. And so she just doesn`t know what she`s talking about just like most anybody else who has never done a reality show.
BEHAR: Right, who is looking at it from the outside? Ok. So how is the show going?
GOSSELIN: It`s going great.
BEHAR: Yes.
GOSSELIN: We`re still having fun. We have some pretty interesting things coming up. A little bit of stress and drama.
BEHAR: As you always.
GOSSELIN: Yes -- some organizational nightmares.
BEHAR: Like what?
GOSSELIN: Murphy`s Law applied and --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: How -- what is Murphy`s Law again?
GOSSELIN: You know, whatever can go wrong will.
BEHAR: Will go wrong.
GOSSELIN: Yes. So --
BEHAR: With all those different people. I mean, they`re adorable children though. They`re so cute.
GOSSELIN: I love them.
BEHAR: Of course you do. They`re your baby. But do you have say to yourself, oh what did I do? Do you ever think of that?
GOSSELIN: Every day. But -- why are you asking?
BEHAR: Because I think you look so great. You`ve been running and running. And where are you running to, Kate?
GOSSELIN: You know, I`m not sure but I know what I`m running from. So that`s good.
BEHAR: Like the deluge of cupcakes maybe right? So -- no -- but the reason I asked you about the show is because it`s not on the fall line-up for TLC. Is there -- is there a danger that it could be canceled?
GOSSELIN: I know, everybody is saying that.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Oh they are?
GOSSELIN: But I don`t control TLC`s programming and I don`t understand. All I need to do is do my thing on camera and then when it leaves me, I don`t know what happens.
BEHAR: You can always switch to "Hoarders". Do you know what I`m saying?
GOSSELIN: Yes, I`m not so much about collecting.
BEHAR: You don`t collect.
GOSSELIN: No.
BEHAR: Just kids. But no --
GOSSELIN: Yes. Pretty much that`s it.
BEHAR: Yes.
GOSSELIN: That collection is finished though.
BEHAR: Are you a purger or a hoarder? Because I`m a purger.
GOSSELIN: I`m a purger. Oh my gosh, it feels so good.
BEHAR: Isn`t it the greatest?
GOSSELIN: To just go there and pitch stuff. Yes.
BEHAR: I know. I would go over to people`s houses and clear their stuff out and just get rid of it. People hold on to stuff.
GOSSELIN: I know. I can`t even stand -- I can`t even like watch those hoarding shows. Because it`s like -- I feel like --
BEHAR: Yes, especially with the dead cats all over the place.
GOSSELIN: Oh?
BEHAR: Oh yes, some people just have dead cats. I won`t go there. I`m sorry I brought that up.
So how are the kids adjusting now? You know, you were in the news last year. The divorce, da, da, da; how are they doing now?
GOSSELIN: They are doing wonderfully. I mean honestly, at this point, I feel like we are all just settled into this really good sort of normal.
BEHAR: Yes.
GOSSELIN: And it feels like regular that I`m the only parent there running the whole thing. Of course I`m really running around all the time and I`m quite stressed out and probably --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: It`s hard.
GOSSELIN: Yes it is really hard. I mean, it is just hard to be a single mom, period. Let alone having eight kids and all of the responsibilities that go with that.
BEHAR: But you know, truthfully, I was a single mother for a while. And I liked it because you don`t have somebody telling -- disagreeing with your child-rearing techniques.
GOSSELIN: Well, but that bites you, too, because you don`t have somebody to back you up that says, "Did you just hear what your mother said? Go do it."
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Yes that`s true.
GOSSELIN: I need that.
BEHAR: Oh.
GOSSELIN: And I don`t have that but I do -- I mean, there is nobody - - I forget what the first project I did to the house. And I was like, yes, I think I`m going to do that. Shall I? I don`t have anybody to ask. Yes. I`m going to do it.
BEHAR: Oh yes.
GOSSELIN: And I -- I did really like that. But I mean, now I`m to the point where it is getting sort of lonely. The kids are asking a lot. You know, when --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: You`re looking -- you want a new guy? You would like a new man.
GOSSELIN: Well, they were listing qualifications the other day and unsolicited. I was driving along and my seven-year-olds were saying, we want a daddy that lives with us and he has to play Barbies with us. And they like went down this whole list.
BEHAR: Oh. Well, Arnold Schwarzenegger is available. He plays with Barbies.
GOSSELIN: Oh my God.
BEHAR: But you know, we have -- we have a clip of you flirting with a guy in Washington, D.C. Can we see that? Want to watch this?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GOSSELIN: At one point I looked up and there was a guy across the street. And he had like really awesome sunglasses on. He had like speckly hair that was like good hair.
Seriously? It`s like I don`t do this.
I saw you from across the street and I decided to make a cupcake for you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ok, thank you. I was watching for you.
GOSSELIN: There you are. What`s up?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are these gluten-free cupcakes?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Oh, my God. Is it gluten free? Who would date a guy who is gluten free?
GOSSELIN: Well, watch -- watch further.
BEHAR: What happens after that?
GOSSELIN: I don`t know. You`ll to have watch. But I did make a comment to that effect.
BEHAR: About the gluten-free?
GOSSELIN: Yes.
BEHAR: If it causes sterilization that might help you. I love to tease her.
We`ll have more with Kate Gosselin after a quick break.
Stay right there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still ahead, Jimmy Fallon serves up some late night dish and some ice cream, too.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: All right. I`m back with Kate Gosselin.
We were talking about hooking a guy. Now, this is going to be hard because what guy -- most guys when they see you with one kid run the other way. What about all the eight children? That`s tough. Where are you looking? The Friars Club?
GOSSELIN: I`m not really -- I mean I`m not out and about anywhere where I can look. But I mean you`re right. We have trouble keeping baby sitters.
BEHAR: Even the baby -- how many baby sitters?
GOSSELIN: We go through them, you know. It`s all right.
BEHAR: But do you go out to meet guys? Anybody try to fix you up? Anything. Because you look great and I think you`ll find a guy. But a guy who is really devoted to you and your children -- that`s tough.
GOSSELIN: It is tough. It is tough because they`re my kids and it`s tough. To bring somebody else in, all I can say is if he sticks around, he`ll have to be super tough.
BEHAR: He will have to be super tough. Have you met anybody in the ballpark like that yet?
GOSSELIN: Not really. I`m open to it, obviously, but it is -- it is a daunting task. I mean I can`t really do the usual routes of finding somebody. I don`t --
BEHAR: I think you would be better off going with lesbianism because a woman would be probably easier.
GOSSELIN: Oh, my gosh.
BEHAR: More maternal. Do you know what I mean? Try it. You never know.
GOSSELIN: Yes. Not so much for me. Thanks though.
BEHAR: Not your thing. Just a suggestion.
I read that you were -- you`ve been cautioning prospective parents against fertility treatments. Why is that now? Are you anti-fertility treatments now?
GOSSELIN: No. I don`t think I`ve been -- this must have come out of a tweet from a viewer or a Twitter fan.
BEHAR: No, no, no. This is you.
"I will say fertility is not a perfected science. I`m a perfect example of the doctor had it under control and we ended up with sextuplets. We were shocked to death and so I just tell everyone to be extra super, super cautious."
GOSSELIN: Yes. I`m definitely not against it. I mean my whole thing is if you have diabetes, you receive the treatment. If you have cancer, you receive the treatment. If you have fertility issues, it is in the same ballpark for me. I just remind people to be careful because it is not perfected, clearly. I mean they said we had three to four possibilities and we ended up with seven originally.
BEHAR: Why? Don`t they know what`s in there? They`re sonogramming up the Wazoo these days.
GOSSELIN: Yes. But they missed -- obviously missed them. That`s why I`m telling people like I was shocked, obviously to find out that I was carrying so many. Had they told me "Here`s the risk, you could have seven," I wouldn`t have gone through with it. But we weren`t hearing seven. We were hearing three to four which is usually about half takes.
(CROSSTALK)
GOSSELIN: Yes. But that was a great thing.
So going through what I went through, I`m just telling people, I was not aware of what could happen. So sort of slow down, think and be extra cautious.
BEHAR: Yes. I mean I think that`s true. Before you go, I want to ask you, you have some kind of a reaction to the Casey Anthony trial. People were telling me. You tweeted about that? Was it the verdict that upset you?
GOSSELIN: I forget what I said.
BEHAR: You said "This mama`s heart is hurting along with many mama`s hearts everywhere."
GOSSELIN: Yes. It`s just -- I mean it`s a hard situation. I remember when it first happened. I saw it on one of those shows and I thought, oh, my gosh. And I think that I was shocked along with everybody else. And I just feel, that little girl, we`ve all seen her picture.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Once you have a child, it breaks your heart to see something like that. I know.
Well, your kids are just adorable. And I wish you all the luck and thanks for coming on and subjecting yourself to my abuse.
GOSSELIN: Any time.
BEHAR: She likes it. And you can catch "Kate plus Eight" Mondays at 9:00 on TLC. We`ll be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: He`s a former cast member of "Saturday Night Live" as well as the host of his own Emmy-nominated late night talk show. His new book is called "Thank-you Notes." So let me thank you, Jimmy Fallon, for doing my show and saving me from having to talk about J.Lo`s break-up and the debt ceiling.
JIMMY FALLON, TALK SHOW HOST: Oh my God. Wait, we`re not getting on that topic.
(LAUGHTER)
FALLON: Thank you for having me.
BEHAR: Thank you.
FALLON: I think we`ve had it up to here with those topics.
BEHAR: We`re sick of it. I mean, J. Lo`s married. Who cares.
FALLON: They weren`t that interesting. Yeah, I mean, the debt ceiling was like, please.
BEHAR: The debt ceiling is really boring.
FALLON: Get to the end already. And now it`s all over with and now we can talk about enjoying the summer.
BEHAR: Exactly. Now your show, an Emmy nomination.
FALLON: Yes.
BEHAR: Leno didn`t get it. Letterman did not get an Emmy nomination. Just you.
FALLON: No, it was freaky. It was a crazy thing. We thought we were going to get zero nominations, because if you look at it, oh, well, the Daily Show will get one, and Colbert will get one, and you know, and Letterman.
BEHAR: And Maher.
FALLON: And Bill Maher. So it`s like they`re all taken up. And "Saturday Night Live." So we just go like, well, whatever. Either way we`re proud of our show, we`re happy to be doing what we`re doing. It`s fine.
BEHAR: Well, you have a lot of competition. But of all of them, I would say you are the most amiable.
FALLON: I like that.
BEHAR: Yes.
FALLON: I`ll take that.
BEHAR: Meaning you`re funny and amiable. So therefore the committee might say, hey, we like him. He`s good looking, he`s funny, he`s sweet.
FALLON: I like this. So maybe, so you think we have a shot at maybe something.
BEHAR: You do, you do.
FALLON: See, you just ruined the whole night for me now. I was just going just to get drunk and just not remember what happened. And either way I was going to run on stage when "Modern Family" wins. And just go, hey guys, I just want to give a shout out to -- no. But no, last time--
BEHAR: You can thank Jesus. That`s always a pleasure.
FALLON: But I don`t think -- people don`t thank Jesus when they lose. They don`t go, hey, thanks a lot, Jesus. Could have helped that a little bit more, huh? Could have -- so I think we`re just going to go with the idea. I mean, I guess one in six nominees, so one in six chances of winning.
BEHAR: Yes, you got a chance.
FALLON: So you should actually think about what we`re going to say. I hate it when people get up there and go, I didn`t think we were going to win. It`s like, you had a better shot than I did. I was sitting at home, I didn`t even get nominated. So one in six chances of winning, yes.
BEHAR: Yes, exactly.
FALLON: So at least have something prepared. But we`re just going to go, we`re already having a party out there. It is going to be fun. And honestly, we didn`t even stress. When we first found out the nominations, I said to everybody, like, look, it doesn`t matter if we get nominated or not, we`re happy. So proud of our show. We have great people who work really hard. Then when it came in, everyone was like crying and hugging and screaming. Oh, my God!
BEHAR: Everybody`s excited.
FALLON: A bunch of mushes. Yeah, (inaudible), oh, my God, I hugged like 30 people before I made it to my office.
BEHAR: I love it when people cry. It`s just a statue, get over yourself. Let`s talk about the Jersey Shore for a second, because this premiered on Thursday and I know you love to spoof them. So let`s take a look at some of your work here.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
FALLON: The Jersey Floor is all about the lifestyle.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Back on the Jersey Floor, baby, whew!
FALLON: It`s like freaking paradise. I feel like I`m home here, I can be myself, I can dress the way I want to dress. You know, I do shots, I tan and I drink. STDs.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FALLON: Shots, tan and drink. Yes.
BEHAR: That`s hysterical. That hairdo, though.
FALLON: That`s pretty awesome. Paulie D -- we have the best hair and make-up on our show. We work so hard. We do different like sketches, which is a lot of the other shows don`t do it. You don`t have to. We`re a talk show, really, so we don`t just have to. But we do things besides talk. We do sketches--
BEHAR: But that`s your thing.
FALLON: Yes. That`s what we -- I mean, from Saturday Night Live and all that stuff. Like Jersey Shore, I`m obsessed with that show. I think it is fantastic.
BEHAR: What do you like about it?
FALLON: They`re just so unlike me. It`s like watching sometimes going, I would never do that, I would never make those choices. I would never like -- you know, they drive by a club and it`s packed. And they go, that place is packed, we`ve got to go there. I`m like that`s the opposite of me. If I drive by a deli and I go, that has too many people in that deli. I want to go to a place where no one is. I don`t want to go to a bar and talk to anyone. I don`t want to -- so that`s the opposite of me. But I love them, I`m obsessed with them. We had a couple of them on the show, you know, Paulie D and Snooki and those guys. And I think they actually have good attitudes. I like Paulie D.
BEHAR: You like him?
FALLON: I like him. I think he`s got a good attitude, like look, everything might go away in like ten minutes from now. I don`t know. I`m just making all the money I can make now, you know?
BEHAR: He`s smart.
FALLON: Yes. It could all go away.
BEHAR: Doesn`t The Situation, or whatever his name is, doesn`t he say the same thing? They copy each other.
(CROSSTALK)
FALLON: A lot of people say that Paulie D`s abs are better than The Situation`s abs.
BEHAR: Stop it.
FALLON: That`s the real situation.
(CROSSTALK)
FALLON: I know, the end of the world. One of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.
BEHAR: Now they want to Italy, to Florence, and you know, the Italians are like, get the hell out.
FALLON: I`m obsessed with it. It was great. Did you watch it? You don`t watch it.
BEHAR: I don`t really like the show that much.
FALLON: You don`t, no.
BEHAR: I grew up with kids like that, and they tried to beat me up, so I don`t like to watch them.
FALLON: It is like, it`s like watching -- but it`s interesting to see them on, in Italy. I think what MTV should do is just keep them for two months for the rest of their lives just going on some show, either on Jersey Shore or something, just see how they age and who they become. It`s like an experiment, like a social experiment. Remember that movie "Seven- Up?"
BEHAR: Yeah. "Seven-Up?"
FALLON: It was like some guy did -- it was almost like these little kids were 7 years old, and every seven years he would interview them again.
BEHAR: Oh, yes.
FALLON: And he kept doing it until one of them passed away recently. I mean, he`s running out of -- he`s getting to the end of their run.
BEHAR: It`s going to be called seven down.
FALLON: Fascinating, yes. Once it`s seven down, the movies are over with. No, yes, it`s all retrospect. It is a fascinating documentary to see how these kids grow up, who they ended up being. They kind of blamed the fame of these movies on how their lives ended up.
BEHAR: Wait a second, that`s a great sketch for you. Like do like 30 years from now all bloated and fat.
FALLON: Here`s The Situation. Like I got a real situation now.
BEHAR: That`s a great sketch for you. I love the fact that you can do sketches, because Letterman and Leno, to name but two, are just, they are stand-up comics. They are not like -- you have your whole experience as a sketch comic.
FALLON: Yes. I mean, yes -- Saturday Night Live and--
BEHAR: And yet you`re very charming and you can do monologues, so you really have a leg up.
FALLON: Well, I think it`s like even like Carson did sketches, too. Good or bad. He did you know--
BEHAR: His were hilarious.
FALLON: Yes, I mean, I loved them, so that`s -- have a thing like -- you have so much time to fill at night. So it`s like -- do you ever see when Ed Ames throws the tomahawk on Carson and he goes to pull -- the tomahawk lands between the cowboy`s legs. And Carson -- Ed goes to grab it, and Carson grabs him, like, oh, no, we`ve got an hour to kill, buddy. We`re going to milk this, we`re going to milk this for a long time. Oh, yes, yes. We`re going to look at that for a long time. He`s so smart. You have so much time to fill. So you think of these different weird things just to keep people awake. And I have great, great crew writers. Like we`ve been doing a lot of musical -- I do musical impressions. I used to do that in my standup act.
BEHAR: Like what?
FALLON: Well, I used to do, like say -- I do a Neil Young impression which a lot of people do.
BEHAR: You happen to have a guitar here.
BEHAR: I have a guitar. Yes. I can just show you the difference between like a Neil Young and a Bob Dylan impression.
BEHAR: OK. Oh, Neil Young is kind of like a depressant.
FALLON: Well, they`re -- Neil Young also it`s like, his harmonica is different too. Neil Young could be like, so say I`ll do the theme song of Fresh Prince of Bel Air as Neil Young.
BEHAR: Sure. Why not. As Neil Young. OK.
JIMMY FALLON (singing as Neil Young): This is a story all about how my life got flip-turned upside down. Like to take a minute just sit right there, tell you all how I became a prince of a town called Bel Air.
Now Bob Dylan, he just takes the highest part of the harmonica and just screeches it. And just keep blowing out. That`s all he does, that`s how he plays harmonica. So here is Bob Dylan doing a different theme song.
(singing as Bob Dylan): New boy in my neighborhood lives upstairs and it`s understood, he is just there to take good care of me like he`s one of the family. Charles in charge of our days and our nights, Charles in charge of our wrongs and our rights, Charles in charge -- (inaudible) -- Charles in charge, (inaudible). I want Charles in charge of me.
That`s the difference right there.
BEHAR: Very funny.
FALLON: So like, you know, I have got to give it to the writers on that. Like Mike DeSanto (ph) is the writer that wrote those ideas. Because I`ve done those impressions of those people. I can do impressions of a bunch of other people. But it`s the idea of--
BEHAR: You need a concept.
FALLON: You need a great concept. Where do you put them? It`s like, so he was like, what if Neil Young sang Will Smith, you end up -- or if I sang Willow Smith. I sang "Whip my Hair Back and Forth" as Neil Young. And then we got Bruce Springsteen to come on and put on a beard and wig and do that -- he used to go like, I was Neil and I`m going like, Whip my hair back and forth. He goes, you`ve got to whip your hair, got to whip your hair. Whip your hair!
And he was -- it was the most bizarre thing ever to get Bruce Springsteen to put a wig on. Or anything like -- I ended up using -- we did "Born to Run," I hosted the Emmies and we did a spoof of "Born to Run," like a Glee version.
BEHAR: Oh, really?
FALLON: Yes. It was fun. It was written by Amy Olsos (ph), a great writer. And so we did this bit. And it was a success for us. And then Bruce saw that and he was like, I want to come on Jimmy` show and we`ll do a little thing. What he wants to do, a bit or something? And then it was about 12 hours later, he is still talking. And then my dad -- he used to call me on the phone--
(CROSSTALK)
FALLON: To tell you he did an encore on the phone. And so then he said, he goes, I`ll bring like a, just get me like a floppy hat -- I used to wear a floppy hat in the `70s. And I`ll bring my own sunglasses. We`ll do that and it will be fun. So he came on the show and he brought his actual sunglasses from the "Born to Run" tour. And then we got him a floppy hat and he did it. And it was--
BEHAR: He`s the best. The Boss is the best.
FALLON: It was one of the most amazing --
BEHAR: OK. We`ll have more with Jimmy Fallon on the way. Sit tight.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
FALLON: It`s glamour time.
(CROSSTALK)
FALLON: I sound like MC Hammer. (inaudible). I`m having a ball right now. Can`t touch these. Or this.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: You`re a stunning female.
FALLON: Yes, right.
BEHAR: Some guys put a wig on and they are really such a brute, but you are so gorgeous.
FALLON: It`s tough. Let me just say, just dressing up as a woman, I never had to do it on Saturday Night Live. It is so tough. I feel for you.
BEHAR: I know, believe me.
FALLON: The fake eyelashes and--
BEHAR: Holding the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) up is a -- is a major production.
FALLON: I mean, just the bra, I mean, you have got to put it on backwards and then turn it around. And then it`s all sorts of ways to get in your outfits. It`s like secrets. The whole thing is an absolute nightmare. Earrings are pressing against your earlobes. That has got to be some kind of acupuncture problem. I don`t know what it is, but I had flats, it`s like walking on cardboard with a gold medallion on the front. I go, this is nothing, I`m not getting any support here. It was a -- honestly, spanx. I mean, it was the whole thing. This was just to perform a comedy sketch. This is like--
BEHAR: This is just to go to bed.
FALLON: Not even going out anywhere. Exactly. I feel for my wife, my mother. I feel for everybody, my sister.
BEHAR: You know, before we talk about the book, which I think is hilarious, "Thank You Notes." I love this book. It is so funny. They were reading it beforehand and laughing out loud. It`s a wonderful, funny concept too. But before we go there, I want to talk about the late night situation, because George Lopez was on -- what was he on, "Piers Morgan" the other night or something, yes? And he was bashing Leno mercilessly. He put your name in there too, that you don`t like him, that Craig doesn`t like him. And nobody likes him. What is up with George Lopez attacking Jay Leno? Why?
FALLON: I don`t know. I like Leno a lot.
BEHAR: Of course you do.
FALLON: Leno`s great.
BEHAR: There seems to be -- ever since that whole thing with Conan, there has been a war against Leno, I perceive. What do you think?
FALLON: I don`t know, you know, I kind of jumped out of it. Because I`m just like--
BEHAR: Smart.
FALLON: Yes. Exactly. I don`t know what it is going to do. I think everyone ended up --
BEHAR: Let the old guys fight with each other.
FALLON: Everyone ended up -- they have got great jobs, everyone is happy. I think they should be happy. They`re all working. Everyone is doing stuff. It`s like I -- I just kind of pulled out of that. It wasn`t -- it is sad that they had to fight in the first place, but again, it wasn`t my fight to fight.
BEHAR: So there is no competitiveness going on backstage between all the late night hosts?
FALLON: Maybe there is. Not with me. I`m not competitive at all. I`m friends with -- we`re playing kickball against the Daily Show tonight.
BEHAR: And you hope they win?
FALLON: I don`t hope they win. I hope to beat them at something. Yes.
BEHAR: How is it that you`re so non-competitive? What kind of mother did you have?
FALLON: I don`t know. I think I wasn`t -- I do like have a competitive spirit, but I feel like when it comes to ratings and show and all that stuff, you just do the best show you can do.
BEHAR: What else can you do?
FALLON: There`s nothing else I can do. Really, I can`t -- it`s all about -- it`s about your lead-in too, I feel like, I feel it goes from your lead-in. So I feel like people are gradually just falling asleep. So that`s like -- they put on NBC, they watch whatever they watch, then they watch Leno, then they start drifting, and I just happen to be on by the time you wake up for the Today Show. They go, hey, what? Where was I for the past 12 hours? So the ratings go down. I feel like it is gradual. That`s just the way it`s going to be. Our ratings have been great and all that stuff.
BEHAR: But you`re a hit. You`re a success.
FALLON: Yes. Things are working. Which was tricky for us, because when you`re replacing someone who has been around for 16 years, Conan was on for 16 years.
BEHAR: Really!
FALLON: Isn`t that crazy?
BEHAR: My God.
FALLON: So if you were used to that face on their television at that time of night, to have a new face in there, it`s like, I don`t know if I like this guy.
BEHAR: But they like you enough to keep you there so people can get used to your face.
FALLON: Yes. The Internet helped out a lot with that.
BEHAR: Oh yes?
FALLON: We did a lot of stuff because you know, Conan had to say goodbye, his farewell month. And all that stuff. And we`re just kind of waiting to go on and do stuff. So I don`t know how to practice. I don`t know how to do a talk show unless I practice. So I went on the Internet. Lorne Michaels and I were actually talking. He said you should go on the Internet. And I said, yes, and he actually sent it to the press, so that means we had to go on the Internet. So we went on the Internet. I had a video camera. We had two writers. And I would just talk to the video camera just like kids can do it right now from their house.
BEHAR: That`s a great idea.
FALLON: Live and just talk, hey, everybody. Today we`re setting up - - we are hiring writers. So here are the four packets, here`s one idea we thought was funny. You know, and just talk to my audience.
BEHAR: How did you get people to know -- to find you?
FALLON: Twitter, which was growing at the time. We said, hey, you guys, we`re going to go online. At 12:35.
BEHAR: So the fans came.
FALLON: Yes, the fans started coming, and then they were commenting. They were saying, like, hey, you know what, I don`t like the way your hair looks there. Or I don`t like this -- or I wouldn`t do that bit if I were you. And it`s like, and we took what they said. You don`t like my hair like that? I`ll put my hair like this. No, wait, that`s worse, go back to the old hair. OK, I`ll do that. So you know what, but then they will say like, you know, you should lose a few pounds. Or whatever -- but they can say whatever, but it`s like they can get harsh but whatever. It`s like, that`s what you get when you go into that world.
BEHAR: Well, they never get really that mean until you express your political positions. Then they turn on you.
FALLON: That`s a weird thing. Because I sent out -- we sent out jokes for the monologue. And we hit everybody. We hit Sarah Palin, we hit President Obama, we hit Joe Biden, we hit--
BEHAR: You have to go across the board when you`re a good comedian. Otherwise they turn. Now, listen, we`ll have more with Jimmy Fallon in just a minute.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with the host of late night, Mr. Jimmy Fallon. Let`s talk about this lovely book of yours. First of all, what made you decide to write a book that had thank you notes? Where did that come from?
FALLON: Every Friday, we do thank you notes. Where I write these sarcastic thank you notes. We did it as a one-off, and I just write these sarcastic thank you notes about mundane stuff in life that bothered me. And the audience loved it, and Twitter loved it, and FaceBook, they were like, you`ve got to do thank you notes again. So I was like, you guys, I think we have a hit, we have something, it`s wild. So we started writing--
BEHAR: How long have you been on the air?
FALLON: Two and a half years.
BEHAR: So it took you that long to come up with the bit.
FALLON: Yes.
BEHAR: It takes a while.
FALLON: It`s not easy, yes.
BEHAR: So tell me a couple.
FALLON: Sure. I`ll give you a couple. I brought--
BEHAR: Now, these are different ones from what you said on "The View," right?
FALLON: Yes. Of course. Yes. I brought some. You get exclusive ones here, Joy.
BEHAR: I want exclusives.
FALLON: Do you have any music? Or no, no music? Thank you.
BEHAR: There`s the music.
FALLON: Fantastic. Thank you very much.
Thank you microbreweries for making my alcoholism seem like a neat hobby. You got pumpkin ale.
Thank you, Real Housewives of New Jersey, for defending the one truism of the universe, that idiots like me will always watch idiots like you fight on TV. You will forever be on my Tivo. Thank you.
Thank you, guy with the $10,000 sound system in his $800 car for driving down Broadway this afternoon. You`re loud, you`re proud. You`re in a `93 Tercel. Thank you.
I have one more.
Thank you, dad, for discovering text messaging. I really like that text you sent with the smiley face, but not as much as the 27 blank text messages you sent right after. Kept me awake all night. Thank you so much, dad. Really appreciate it.
BEHAR: Oh, very funny. And you know something, Jimmy, the thing that`s funny about you is that when you deliver it on camera, you actually pretend you`re writing it.
FALLON: Am I faking anyone out?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: The audience thinks you`re actually writing it.
FALLON: Yeah, come on. I know it. I think it`s all show business, right? Come on.
BEHAR: OK. Ben & Jerry`s I understand has named an ice cream, made an ice cream for you.
FALLON: Yes.
BEHAR: So we have it here.
FALLON: You want to try it? Be honest.
BEHAR: Let`s test this.
FALLON: So, here we go, this is -- guess what`s in it first. Have you eat it and guess what`s in it and then I`ll tell you what`s in it. It`s really good.
BEHAR: I see a nut. I see a nut. Not just --
(CROSSTALK)
FALLON: Ah, beat me to it.
BEHAR: That`s good. It`s not a nut.
FALLON: No. That`s the best part. You can play this game at your house. Is it a nut or not a nut? That`s the name of the game.
BEHAR: We play naked charades at my house, OK?
FALLON: Again, is it a nut or not a nut? You know--
(CROSSTALK)
FALLON: It`s a potato chip crushed up and covered in fudge so it doesn`t get soggy. And then a salty caramel swirl.
BEHAR: What`s it called?
FALLON: It`s called Late Night Snack. It`s by Ben & Jerry`s.
BEHAR: That is fabulous.
FALLON: And then the money, the proceeds that I was going to get for this is all going to Fair Trade Universities, because the fudge in this, the ice cream and the vanilla bean is fair trade. So it`s good for like developing countries that can`t hack it with the giant farms.
BEHAR: Very good. His book is called "Thank You Notes," and of course see Jimmy every night on "Late Night With Jimmy Fallon" on NBC. Thank you.
FALLON: Love you, Joy.
BEHAR: Thank you for watching. Good night, everybody.
FALLON: Good night, everybody.
END
