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Casey Anthony Returns to Florida; Missing in Aruba; Jackson Trial - Impact on Kids; Comedians Talk About Celebrity Gossip; Soleil Moon Frye Discusses Her New Book; Sandra Bernhard Discusses Her New Comedic Album

Aired August 25, 2011 - 22:00   ET

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ANNOUNCER: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Casey Anthony reported for probation in Florida. So now that everyone knows she`s there will she be safe and can she possibly get a job as the probation office requires her to do?

Then cops in Aruba release the last known photos of Robyn Gardner with Gary Giordano. And new reports say she was drunk at a bar just before the time Giordano says they went snorkeling. We`ll have an update.

Plus how will the testimony in the Conrad Murray trial affect Michael Jackson`s children. We`ll talk to family friend Rabbi Shmuley about the impact.

That and more starting right now.

DON LEMON, HLN GUEST HOST: Casey Anthony is officially on probation. Anthony quietly reported to authorities Wednesday evening in Florida but the state`s Department of Corrections is keeping her exact location under wraps. So will Casey have to stay in Florida? Will she be safe and will she have to get a job?

Here to discuss all of it is Brad Conway, criminal defense attorney and the former lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony; Judge Karen Mills- Francis, former Miami-Dade County judge and host of "Judge Karen`s Court"; and Ashleigh Banfield, ABC News correspondent.

I`m going to start with you Ashleigh. She`s in Florida now. Is she going to have to stay the entire year there on probation?

ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, ABC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Yes and no. She can leave but it`s not easy. It`s not easy to transfer your probation and the other state wherever she wants to land has to agree it to. There has to be a job in place or a schooling plan in place. So there`s some paperwork and by the way, it isn`t going to happen fast. So probably a couple of months at the very least.

LEMON: Yes. It looks like nothing happens fast in this case. And I hear the judge, laughing, there. Judge, the Department of Corrections isn`t saying exactly where in Florida she is going to report to or she`s reporting to. How concerned are they about safety?

JUDGE KAREN MILLS-FRANCIS, FORMER MIAMI-DADE COUNTY JUDGE: Well, you know, they`re worried about mob justice. She`s been voted one of the most hated people in America. And so it`s unusual for the Department of Justice not to release this information, as a matter of fact, it`s public information. But I believe that the concern for her safety overrides our concern to know where she is. So it makes sense to me.

LEMON: And there was a poll done very recently saying that she was the most hated or at least, at the top of the list when it comes to being the most hated person in America.

Brad, she was supposed to start on Friday. Why did she show up two days early? Was this -- sort of to keep it under the radar?

BRAD CONWAY, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR CINDY AND GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, Don, it makes perfect sense that the attorneys would make those arrangements. You don`t want to have Casey Anthony walking into a Department of Corrections` office with other probationers there, seeing her walk in and creating a safety problem for the officers, the public and for Casey Anthony. So it makes perfect sense that they would try to do this under wraps.

LEMON: Judge, we`re told she hasn`t asked to serve probation in another state but what would happen if she -- could she do that?

MILLS-FRANCIS: Well, yes. Because there is an interstate agreement. But the other state would have to agree to accept the supervision of her. She would have to have some sort of job or -- she has to have some proof what she`s got a stable life going on there.

But I have a feeling that Caylee Anthony (SIC) and her lawyer are going to sit back for a while and weigh their options. They`re probably talking to folks about book deals and figuring out who they`re going to give their first interview to. They`re not worried about this probation.

LEMON: Ashleigh, she`s going to have to report once a month for probation. She`s going to be required to get a job of she`s going to be pursuing a degree. One or both?

BANFIELD: She has a bit of a choice here. The job is pretty tough. I mean are you going to hire Casey Anthony?

LEMON: Yes. Who would hire Casey Anthony? Yes.

BANFIELD: Are you going to want that attention? Some people might. A lot of people wouldn`t. They do say that you can take classes. But, there again, going to school. She has indicated to her attorney that she might actually take school online. So that is something that she could pursue.

It`s not going to be particularly easy but then again but then again, I`ve seen probation deals that are a lot tougher. No drinking, no bars, no firearms. That`s not her situation. She`s just not allowed to drink to excess.

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: She`s not allowed to be in places where they illegally serve alcohol or drugs as opposed to places where they serve alcohol.

LEMON: Where they serve -- we saw her with the corona.

BANFIELD: Yes. And no mention of either.

LEMON: Yes. Yes. Go ahead, Judge.

MILLS-FRANCIS: I believe that she has the standard probationary restrictions. It`s a boilerplate form. When I looked at it earlier today, I mean she can`t hang around with undesirable people. She is supposed to stay away from drugs and alcohol. But this is all standard stuff.

I mean, they didn`t create anything new for her. The only exception for her is --

BANFIELD: We have some competing information then because definitely, what her spokesperson or at least the Florida spokesperson said today that these are a little bit different. It`s just simply drinking to excess, which I, I`m actually (INAUDIBLE) -- I don`t think I`ve ever seen that before. I`ve seen no drinking or no bars.

MILLS-FRANCIS: Well, I have never seen that. Exactly.

BANFIELD: It`s odd, isn`t it?

MILLS-FRANCIS: It is.

BANFIELD: I thought it was --

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BANFIELD: But then, also, that she`s not allowed to be in establishments where alcohol or drugs are illegally being served, which is, again, unusual.

LEMON: If she`s at a friend`s house and the friend has --

BANFIELD: I don`t think anybody is allowed to be in a place where alcohol or drugs are illegally given.

LEMON: You`re not supposed to right. That`s just a little odd.

BANFIELD: They`re not on probation.

(CROSSTALK)

MILLS-FRANCIS: I don`t think we`re going to see her out anyway. We`re not going to see her out in public for a while.

LEMON: I think so. I think you`re right. Let`s let Brad get in on this. Brad, Jose Baez has said that Casey had limited contact with her parent. Do you know anything about that?

CONWAY: You know Don, everything that Mr. Baez says lately is designed to benefit his client. He`s trying to rehabilitate her in the public eye. And so to say that she`s got that limited contact with her parents, of course, would be a positive thing, given the way that she treated them through trial and for the last three years, really. But if it is true, I got to believe that was one heck of a meeting because she no longer has an excuse not to tell the truth. And she`s got to account for the fact that she accused her dad of molesting her and getting rid of her child with no more ceremony than just dumping a bag of trash in a dumpster.

LEMON: Well, Brad, that leads to the question, do you think her parents will be involved in her probation at all? Is that possible?

CONWAY: Don, this kind of goes back to what Ashleigh and the Judge were saying is, this is a very easy probation to make. I`ve seen probation a lot tougher. So I think it`s time for the Anthonys to tell Casey to put on her big girl pants, stand up, take responsibility and get through the probation on her own. She can do it if she puts her mind to it.

LEMON: It`s interesting. Even though we sort of come to the consensus that she`s not going to be seen a lot I think that still the whole world is watching anyway. Where is Casey? Where is Casey?

BANFIELD: And I`ll tell you what. It was just mentioned that maybe she would be out working on her book deals and everything but I really have to take issue with this. At first blush, sure. It sounds like she could get a million-dollar book deal. Let`s not forget O.J.`s disaster of a book, "If I did it".

That thing fell absolutely into the gutter and Rupert Murdoch had to apologize. The head of the imprint company that put that thing out had to -- lost her job. It was ugly. And so I`m not sure that the kind of organizations that can afford to pay the ticket are going to pay the ticket for a Casey Anthony book.

(CROSSTALK)

LEMON: The question was -- could she get a job. Go ahead, real quickly, Brad.

CONWAY: I agree with Ashleigh. I don`t think anybody really wants to hear her story. What`s she going to say, anyway? It`s already been said in trial and she sure as heck is not going to get out there and tell the truth.

MILLS-FRANCIS: Somebody wants to hear that story --

(CROSSTALK)

BANFIELD: They want to hear it but they don`t want to pay for it.

CONWAY: But the money is not there.

LEMON: Ok. Any company that would want to put Casey Anthony, you know, have anything to do or relate to her company, that`s a huge, huge risk.

BANFIELD: A brand killer? Want to see a brand killer? It`s blood money.

LEMON: Yes.

BANFIELD: And listen, there was a Hollywood producer who was talking about putting forth a deal and shopping it out to networks but those networks would have to buy it and I think therein lies the problem.

LEMON: Ok. Stand by guests, because I want to move on.

Let`s move on now and -- because there`s some new developments in the Aruba case in the disappearance of American Robyn Gardner. Police have released the last photos of Robyn Gardner including one with suspect, Gary Giordano.

Ok. So where were these photos taken and who took them?

BANFIELD: Well, it`s actually a simple story. Although it seems unusual that someone would be taking these photographs these were just employees of the restaurant and it was as innocuous as them liking her tattoos and they snapped those shots and gave them to police.

LEMON: I`ve seen some of them have time stamps. Are there surveillance photos that are out there?

BANFIELD: If there are surveillance, they have not been released to the public or to the press yet. In fact the police are kind of cagey about this one. They will and they won`t talk. They`ll leak things but then usually their public spokesperson is about five days behind that.

LEMON: Judge, Giordano is in one of the photographs. How incriminating is this photo?

MILLS-FRANCIS: I think it`s very incriminating because his statement to the police was that they left that bar and went snorkeling. Look how this woman is dressed. She has on a full dress, great big handbag, platform shoes. Where is all this stuff?

I`ve read all the reports and I didn`t where they say, we found her stuff on the beach. She was carrying all this stuff here, where was it? So, yes, I think that these pictures really hurt this guy.

LEMON: What about the reports that Giordano had financial issues? Tell us about that.

BANFIELD: Yes, actually he was struggling, you know. Just in the months before he took this trip to Aruba, he had petitioned the court to lower his child support payments. There`s a report in the "Washington Times" that he was paying $616 a month. But at the time in 2009 that these payments were set, he was making about $5,000 a month. He was denied. He was not allowed to lower those payments.

And then he also tried to sue a company and it did not go well. Reports that he was actually in fraudulent behavior, forging documents, on which to base his own suit and the suit was dropped by him. So things were not going well in his financial world.

LEMON: Judge, Brad, thank you. Ashleigh, good to see you in person instead of by satellite. Yes.

BANFIELD: Always good to see you.

LEMON: Yes. It was good to see you. Thank you.

BANFIELD: Thank you.

LEMON: Thanks guys. We`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LEMON: There is just a month to go until the start of the Conrad Murray trial and lots of testimony is expected about Michael Jackson`s erratic behavior and prescription drug use. But what impact will those score of details and the high-profile nature of the case have on the Jackson kids?

Well, Prince, Paris and Blanket that`s who we`re talking about. And here to talk about this, are Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, former spiritual advisor to Michael Jackson and Dr. Charles Sophy, a psychiatrist and medical director for the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services.

Ok so thank you both for joining us. Listen, why do you think -- have you -- have you been in touch with -- with the children? And how are they dealing with this upcoming trial, Rabbi?

RABBI SHMULEY BOTEACH, FORMER SPIRITUAL ADVISOR TO MICHAEL JACKSON: I have not been in touch with the children since they were children. And to see that they seem to be a little bit up unsupervised in terms of the debates they`re entering into and with people who are disparaging of Michael or their -- their lineage. It`s a little bit disturbing because this is -- everything about -- concerning Michael`s high-profile. And these are kids who need to retain their innocence, their vulnerability.

Interestingly, Michael`s raison d`etre was to try to proclaim the innocence of a child. It was something he spoke about so often eloquently in the lyrics of his songs and that`s why he was so careful as a father to monitor his children`s progress.

(CROSSTALK)

LEMON: But in your observation just as a casual of observer like many of us. Do you think they`ve adjusted?

BOTEACH: I don`t know as an outsider. What I do know is that there are -- whether or not they`ve adjusted to some of the facts of the case, certain things have to proceed. Number one, someone has to be held accountable for what happened to Michael. Whatever actions he took, he`s responsible for and he`s not around unfortunately, he suffered the ultimate consequence.

But there were people who facilitated his demise. And we`ve seen so many of these celebrities who inspire us but who have handlers around them --

(CROSSTALK)

LEMON: Yes.

BOTEACH: -- who are just feeding at the trough and they never turn off the spigots and its judgment day. Because if not we`ll see more Amy Winehouses and more Michael Jacksons -- someone has to be held accountable.

LEMON: And I think you`re saying that -- and that the children are going to be exposed, that it doesn`t get better for them until something gets better when it comes to this situation.

BOTEACH: I`m saying that -- that no matter -- whether they`re exposed to the aspects of the trial or not, somebody has to pay the price for why Michael had a mountain of pills around him always.

LEMON: Got you.

Dr. Sophy, let`s stick with the kids here. It`s been two years since --

(CROSSTALK)

DR. CHARLES SOPHY, PSYCHIATRIST: Right.

LEMON: -- since their father died. Do you think this is going to be a setback emotionally for them? Because you know this is going to be all over the place. You`re going to see it everywhere.

SOPHY: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely, they`re in the process of mourning, yes. But this will set them back. They`re going to hear things, they`re going to see things and they`re going to feel things that they really didn`t expect to do.

So I think the family has to be really wise. They have to really be aware of the fact that these children cannot be exposed, should not be exposed. Making sure that they know there is TVs on in people`s homes and cars and all that kinds of stuff and when they`re with their friends. So being well aware of protecting them because the wound is not healed yet.

LEMON: Yes and you know -- it`s -- you`ve -- it`s hard to shield children now especially w. the Internet and I mean, and you go to the airport and the television is on. You go into a restaurant, the television is on. Do you think and I know you said someone should -- should answer the -- the questions, why Michael Jackson had so many drugs around him.

But do you think with all of these details coming out in the trial, that the children are going to know about it? And -- and how much do they already know about their father`s drug use?

BOTEACH: It`s impossible to sequester these -- the children from the information that`s going to flow through every media avenue. And what really needs to be done is to put that -- those facts in context.

LEMON: You think they know now though?

BOTEACH: Of course they know.

SOPHY: Of course.

BOTEACH: And the -- and the fact is that Michael, in the conversations that he related to me that became the book of Michael fame, he wanted the world to know about the lonely aspects of fame. He wanted the world to know the level of pain that he`d lived with. Because you have to understand, everybody wants to be loved and Michael felt so demonized and hated.

And the kids have only heard all of this stuff and it`s never been put into context. I would not sequester them, I would not shield them. I would say to them you father was a very special man who inspired millions of people.

But by his own admission, he allowed himself to cross certain lines and -- and he lived with a lot of emotional pain and he turned to doctors in order to ameliorate that pain when in reality, what you have to -- the three of you have to learn but Blanket is probably is too young, but certainly Prince and Paris you have to learn from his original message which is that people have to be a blessing to others and when you feel purposeful, that`s when the pain goes away.

LEMON: Ok.

BOTEACH: And it`s not about fame and money.

LEMON: Ok. Ok. Listen, the kids as you said, they have to know something. But it`s different coming from Katherine or Janet or whoever is telling them about their father.

BOTEACH: Right. Right.

LEMON: To hear about it in a courtroom --

SOPHY: Right.

LEMON: It`s going to be pretty tough and hear and on the television, that`s going to be tough to hear.

SOPHY: Absolutely. It`s painful. It`s going to devastate them, it`s going to create a lot of stuff because at the end of the day, let`s remember, every child loves their parent. No matter how bad we may think they are they love their parent.

So the bottom line is what they see, what they hear, do your best but they have to have a place to be able to deal with their emotions. They have to be able to be told, it`s ok to feel that way but let`s deal with it this way.

We see your dad didn`t deal with it necessarily in the right way maybe because he used meds or use whatever. Let`s teach these children better ways to deal with their feelings. Not that they`re bad to have but a better way to deal with it.

LEMON: And the reason I`ve -- I`m going to go on to continue with that question, because as we sit here defense attorneys are predicting that this is going to be the most publicized trial in history, even bigger than Michael and the huge ratings when Michael died. And the children, of course, are going to be party to that and they`re young kids.

SOPHY: Right.

BOTEACH: Look Don, a lot of this comes down to media responsibility as well. I mean what --

(CROSSTALK)

LEMON: The media is responsible for Michael Jackson`s kids?

BOTEACH: No, no of what value was there for the media to speculate as to the patrilineal descent of these children. I mean, if anyone person on this network or a sister news network which is to speculate as to the eternity of Barack Obama`s children, Michele Bachmann`s children, it will be seen and shown in the same way.

Why was it open season on Michael? To the extent that he makes mistakes to the public arena and he was a public figure, he deserved to have been scrutinized.

But when it came to his kids, I saw whole programs about people going on and saying, I was a sperm donor for these kids. And I saw news anchors interviewing him about this and that was just disgusting. It was loathsome.

These children have every right to believe that this is their father. Should the family come forward and say something, that`s their business. But I mean, there are areas that still have to remain private. Michael Jackson was not a cartoon character, he was not a caricature, he was a real human being. He died tragically. No one has really dealt with the tragedy --

LEMON: I understand that but in many ways and even -- I think if Michael were around, he might admit it and even some of his family members would admit it now, that he was sort of a cartoon character in the way that he led his life -- in the way that he transformed --

(CROSSTALK)

BOTEACH: Not in the way he thought --

LEMON: He transformed his face and what he did in order to stay relevant.

BOTEACH: Then talk about those things, but not in the way he raised his children. He sequestered his children from public view. He even went to an extreme for which I criticized him. You can`t wear veils but he certainly never exploited them. Never made a buck off of them. Never shoved them in front of cameras.

So why have they become --

(CROSSTALK)

BOTEACH: And by the way, the family -- the family then shoved them in front of the world at the funeral which again, Michael would have gotten up from his coffin and objected to that.

LEMON: Ok. Rabbi, hold that thought. Not never because we all know the balcony thing. The balcony thing was not shielding his children from the press.

Hold that thought though. We`re going to talk more in just a minute. We`ll be back in a minute.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LEMON: I`m back with my panel talking about the upcoming Conrad Murray trial and its potential impact on Michael Jackson`s kids.

I want you to finish your thought here because I think the sort of general nature of what you`re saying about Michael trying to show these kids was correct. He had his moments where he didn`t always do that but usually he put veils on them. He didn`t want them to be seen.

BOTEACH: You spoke about the dangling incident. I was not there. I can tell you that on your sister network, CNN in April of 2004, I said that Michael Jackson, God forbid, will not live many more years. The professional handlers around him knew what he was consuming and it was devastating.

So I don`t know what frame of mind he was in when he took -- when he was such an overprotective father and he takes his baby and dangles him. In fact, the people around him should have just gotten him help when that happened. But instead, they booked 100 concerts for him because they needed him to make money.

But the fact is that Michael was in the right frame of mind he was always an extremely responsible parents. He always gave his children their privacy. And I think Prince and Paris and Blanket deserve that.

LEMON: You thought that was one of wake-up calls for Michael Jackson, that incident?

BOTEACH: If that wasn`t a wake-up call, then there was an alarm clock that was bursting his managers` ear drums that they didn`t hear. It is not normal for a father to dangle his baby, even as some sort of prank over a patio.

LEMON: Let`s talk about this because Michael Jackson is gone. We know that. But these kids will potentially be called as witnesses. It was said, they were in the house, they usually came up at this time. He asked me to call on the telephone. He asked one of the young kids to call on the telephone and to come into the room. So they could be called as witnesses.

SOPHY: Absolutely. That`s a legal decision but if that does happen, please, I hope someone prepares these kids for this kind of stuff. The ability to be scared is going to overwhelm them. It`s unbelievable.

Practice with them. Talk with them. Give them something to know so they know what`s coming and they can predict because these are scary times for these kids to open up old wounds and to create new ones.

LEMON: Paris was a victim of cyber-bullying. You know what surprised me about that is that Paris would even have a Twitter or a Facebook account. When I started to think about it, I said, you know what, maybe Katherine Jackson just wants them to be as normal as possible like their friends.

SOPHY: Some normalcy.

BOTEACH: There`s nothing normal about that. All kids need to be supervised on the Internet. Michael would be in shock if he knew his children had that level of access especially to people who could harm them or bully them.

Michael hated bullies, by the way. He hated bullies in his professional. He hated being bullied in his personal life. He always withdrew from that and that made him even more -- he felt bullied whenever he was called "Whacko Jacko". Whatever errors Michael Jackson made, he was actually in many aspects an exemplary father.

What the Jackson family now needs to do -- because this is a family that in general has been ravished by celebrity. It wasn`t just Michael who had a lot of issues, the family has had issues. They need to regroup. They need to understand that they have to get back to basics and they need to supervise these kids.

LEMON: And some of the kids are going to be appearing at this controversial Jackson concert. In your estimation, good idea, bad idea for them to be doing this?

SOPHY: Look, they want to honor their father, I understand. It may be not the best timing but the bottom line is they love their dad, they want to honor their dad. There`s nothing wrong with that.

BOTEACH: Terrible idea and whoever is doing it, I want to know what money they`re making off. The kids should be allowed to have a private life. Leave them alone, for God`s sake.

LEMON: Thank you both.

SOPHY: Thank you.

LEMON: We`ll be right back.

ANNOUNCER:: Still ahead, Will Smith and wife Jada were seen out shopping together. Was it just a stunt to quell rumors of their troubled marriage?

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: After tonight multiple reports this week that their marriage is on the rocks. Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith were all smiles while out shopping in this paparazzi video. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you comment on the ridiculous rumors?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s good, I like that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You guys are the best couple ever.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t believe it at all for one second.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: All right, let`s talk some pop culture now. Everything in the news -- yes, woo is right. Joe Linny is the editor in chief of "Maxim," Sandra Bernhard, comedian, singer, and actress, and Tommy Davidson, comedian and star of the upcoming Cartoon Network animated series "Black Dynamite." Why did you go "Woo"?

SANDRA BERNHARD, COMEDIAN: I`m just always amazed at the Pinkett- Smiths because they`re constantly talk about their sex life and advertising it and trying to convince you they had the best sex last night. I`m just why doth the lady protests so loudly? Why do we care?

TOMMY DAVIDSON, COMEDIAN: If they broke up, I think they`re really, really smart. I think we wouldn`t know for like five years.

LEMON: Do you think this is damage control? Like two days, a day or so and the rumors come out and you rarely see them out, then all of the sudden they were out in public.

JOE LEVY, EDITOR IN CHIEF, "MAXIM": This was completely natural. Jada needed art supplies. When you`re a multimillionaire, you don`t send somebody out for that. You take your husband out to buy pencils and crayons.

DAVIDSON: Where do we find them during the day? Let`s go to the mall they go to.

BERNHARD: Their kids aren`t doing any drawing, that`s for damn sure.

LEMON: Do you think their marriage can stand all this extra scrutiny that`s going on now? Do you think so?

DAVIDSON: Oh, yes. You`re talking about one of the most powerful Hollywood couples. Like I said, they`re really, really smart. If they broke up we won`t know until like Haden graduates.

LEMON: You think so?

DAVIDSON: Yes.

LEMON: There`s a rumor that she hooked up with Marc Anthony who is in her show, this steamy seen from "Hawthorne." Sandra, should Will Smith -- does he have anything to worry about?

BERNHARD: This is getting more ridiculous by the minute.

(LAUGHTER)

This is craziness. She is not hooking up with Marc Anthony? She might be in a slightly different direction but we won`t get into that tonight with you.

LEMON: OK. We`ll let -- I`ll let you have the last word on that, Joe.

LEVY: I am officially starting the rumor that it was me hooking up with Marc Anthony, and it was totally worth it. It was completely worth it.

LEMON: Let`s move on to something more that Sandra can relate to, another actor-comedian. And 22-year-old actress Emma Stone has a not so secretive admirer. His name is Jim Carey and he posted this video love letter to her on his website. It is kind of creepy. Take a look.

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JIM CAREY, ACTOR: Emma, I just wanted to let you know that I think you`re all the way beautiful. Not just pretty, but, you know, smart, and kindhearted. And if I were a lot younger, I would marry you. But I`m not. I`m 49. I have lines on my face, sometimes a little grey in my beard. And it takes me a lot longer to pee than it used to.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(LAUGHTER)

LEMON: Sandra --

BERNHARD: Shocking.

LEMON: Is this cute, funny, or creepy?

BERNHARD: It`s just dumb. It`s just insane. I mean, maybe Emma Stone would dig him if he would like, if they had met in a bar or something. He said what`s happening, Emma. You`re groovy, let`s make this happen?

LEVY: This is not a good way to meet-cute, make a video?

BERNHARD: Joe, Joe, you know it`s not.

(LAUGHTER)

LEVY: OK.

BERNHARD: Joe, you`re so much smarter than that.

LEMON: Well, here`s my question. When I saw it, I said, just because you have a cell phone with a camera on it does it mean you should use it?

BERNHARD: Don`t use it. I beg of you, don`t use it. It doesn`t make anybody look good, let alone -- and he has to throw in the whole thing about the prostate. This is enough to make anyone run screaming from the room.

DAVIDSON: How many hits did he get?

BERNHARD: He might have gotten a lot of hits, but to what end?

LEVY: There may be another plan. This is up on his site where he has serious videos about his trip to Haiti and his plan to help grow more rice there. This could be a stunt to get people to the Jim Carey true life side where he has serious stuff.

LEMON: I don`t want to though water on the whole conversation but if I fan did this wouldn`t they get a restraining order for this fan?

BERNHARD: I don`t think they`d even bother with that. I hope Emma has a sense of humor and she can rise to the occasion. I`d like to see her response to this.

DAVIDSON: You might not want to bother. She wasn`t that hot. I saw the picture.

(LAUGHTER)

LEMON: Does Carey at least get props for admitting he has lines on his face and he has trouble peeing?

BERNHARD: No.

LEVY: I`m going to give him a little bit of respect for letting the world know that his vision of the completely great life together includes Yahtzee.

(LAUGHTER)

LEMON: What would that be, a May-December or like a May-April? It`s 22-40, and that`s not unheard of. That would be --

(CROSSTALK)

BERNHARD: It would be like, you know, if you`re wearing a low-cut shirt with a star of David and swinging.

LEMON: Star of David, I like that.

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LEMON: Moving on, David Letterman returned to the air this week for the first time since receiving a death threat from an Islamic extremist, and he did a whole monologue on it. Here it is.

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DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST, "THE TONIGHT SHOW": Tonight, you people are more to me, honestly, more than an audience tonight. Really. You`re more like a human shield.

(LAUGHTER)

Little late coming out. Backstage I was talking to the guy from CBS. We were going through the CBS life insurance policy to see if I was covered for jihad.

(LAUGHTER)

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LEMON: Did the jihadist choose the wrong guy to pick on?

DAVIDSON: I think it`s cool that he got a monologue that everybody is looking at.

(LAUGHTER)

BERNHARD: That`s good.

LEMON: All right, is it ever a good idea to take on radical Islam, even the in humor, Joe?

LEVY: I refuse to comment. I`m too terrified to say anything. I`m too scared they`re going to come to get us.

BERNHARD: You`ve got two Jews sitting next to each other so we`re just going to ride this one out.

LEVY: If they thought Letterman was Jewish, I`m really spooked.

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

LEMON: You saw that Ashton Kutcher went on and he a bullet-proof vest and he was wearing a helmet.

DAVIDSON: That letter he got was pretty deep, the whole cutting the tongue out thing. Comics will still go on.

BERNHARD: It doesn`t really --

LEMON: Not so much? It doesn`t do it for you?

BERNHARD: Are we laughing?

DAVIDSON: We`re going like, you`re the hot dude. You`re the hot dude, already. OK, dude.

LEMON: Can we talk about marriage and, really, now about gay marriage? It`s becoming legal in more and more states, a lot of folks including myself are suddenly feeling the pressure to settle down. But should all gay couples run out and tie the knot? I wrote a column and it got a lot of response, because people were like, when you getting married? I haven`t contemplated that question in 25 years.

BERNHARD: Marriage is just like -- I don`t know, for me, overall, like growing up, I never fantasized about marriage at all. I always liked the idea of just like being free-wheeling. I think you can have a very nice, committed relationship. And until we get federal acceptance, we`re not getting out of this, so why even bother?

DAVIDSON: It`s supposed to be fun.

(LAUGHTER)

LEVY: You`re so nasty.

BERNHARD: It`s not any fun.

LEMON: But quiet as kept, as they say, it used to be like you were a swinging bachelor and you didn`t have to really say it in the larger society. So is this an unforeseen circumstance of now being able to get married?

LEVY: Why are you looking at me?

LEMON: Because --

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LEVY: Yes, yes. We represent swinging bachelors. The weird thing is people feel entitled so ask anything and everything. You know, people will ask you now, getting married? Getting married? If you get married? Are you having kids? Are you thinking about having kids? Where does the line between my business and your business? Where is that line? Can`t you just leave us all alone? It`s my business or your business whether you want to be married or not.

BERNHARD: I agree. I think, just keep it, like, really tasteful.

LEVY: Even though the ring you`re wearing --

LEMON: Speaking of wedding rings, we let that go past. Bob, can you bring in the wedding cake here? Have you guys seen this? This is something to see. Joy Behar`s last tweet says gone fishing. She and Steve, 29 years.

BERNHARD: She deserves to get married.

LEMON: A gorgeous couple.

BERNHARD: That`s lovely.

DAVIDSON: Quick announcement, ladies in the crew, there`s cake!

LEMON: Here we go. I`ll cut the cake and we`ll serve it. Get a close-up of that.

(LAUGHTER)

DAVIDSON: Wait a second -- you practiced that. Get out of here!

LEMON: We split them apart. Everybody come in and get some cake.

BERNHARD: He cut that cake as only a gay man could.

DAVIDSON: He`s a neurologist on the side.

LEMON: Here`s what I want to say, Mazel tov to them. May they have a long and happy life. So many people in this business are so insecure they never let people see them. Joy, thank you, thank you for letting me sit in here. It`s been an absolute pleasure.

BERNHARD: Just because she picked a black gay man and not me. But that`s OK.

DAVIDSON: And don`t hate, appreciate. And a very swanky suit.

(CROSSTALK)

LEMON: Thank you, guys. I appreciate you guys joining us. Be sure to check out Sandra`s new album "I love being me, don`t you?" And if you`re in New York, Tommy Davison is headlining Caroline`s on Broadway tonight through Sunday. And, of course, you know this guy. Thanks, everybody. We`ll be back. Cake, everyone. Come and get it!

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LEMON: I remember that. I`m feeling really old now. That was Soleil Moon Frye as spunky, Punky Brewster. Nearly 30 years later she`s all grown up. She`s married, a mom of two, entrepreneur with her parenting blog and author of a new book called "Happy Chaos, from Punky to Parenting, and My Perfectly Imperfect adventures in Between." It`s a great book and your two kids are on the front.

SOLEIL MOON FRYE, AUTHOR, "HAPPY CHAOS": Thank you so much. I`m so excited to be here with you. You are such a sweetheart. I`ve been chatting with you and telling you my crazy stories, and I just love you. I want to hang out with you.

LEMON: You were watching that smiling. And the reason I asked, because I meet some celebrities who have iconic rolls but they don`t like it when people recognize them as that. Do you mind when people say hey, "Punky Brewster?"

FRYE: No. I had so much fun playing her. She was part of my soul. We were so much alike in some of the ways. I think I turned out to be much like Punky would have turned out to be. She had so much heart and I think she broke so many boundaries and she really inspired people to just be. And here she came from a totally broken home. And, yet, she was so inspired and unique and fun and playful. So I hold her very close to my heart.

LEMON: We all love Punky. But let`s talk about this book. What made you write "Happy Chaos?"

FRYE: As a new mom I had so many questions. I was like, did everyone in the world get this secret manual that I somehow, didn`t read? There was such chaos. I had my babies. It was at the hospital and they handed an ice pack and some numbing stuff. And I was like, where does this go? None of my friends told me the kind of things I was going to enter into. They told me the nice things. But what about the craziness?

And as I was becoming a mom and this new mom and I saw the chaos that was happening around me, I was like, OK. Am I the only one living in this alternate universe and I wanted to start embracing the chaos.

LEMON: They don`t come with a manual, do they?

FRYE: You learn how to drive, you get your driver`s license. Comes to parenting, you don`t get a license.

LEMON: I`m wondering if we should call child services. You let them eat cupcakes before breakfast?

FRYE: Here`s the thing. They go on to eat their big meal in front of them. What I`m saying with happy chaos. It`s a family operating at its best. The messiness, the ups and downs. But if we can find the job in those moments, when we`re together instead of being so hard on ourselves and on each other, you know, my husband and my two baby girls, they`re amazing.

LEMON: Makes you smile, right?

FRYE: I love them so much and we`re having so much fun. The girls are here with me right now.

LEMON: I said she runs her family like a CEO. You have weekly meetings with them.

FRYE: We sit around and talk and communicate. When we`re going through a hard time, myself included, we draw it out. I ask them to draw and share their frustrations. And we really try to keep communication intact. I`m a big believer in communication.

LEMON: It`s been in the news, the mom who disciplined her kids with the hot sauce. Where are you on discipline? Do you believe in corporal punishment? As a kid, if my parents said, time out? I`d be like, great, I`ll go in my room.

FRYE: Timeouts didn`t work so well. What works for best for me is when I really get on their level, because if we`re both yelling and upset, then it doesn`t make any sense. But if I say, hey, what are you going through, we really try to talk it through, or if I`m having a really hard time to getting through to them. I`ll say, draw it out. Paint it out. It gives them a place to put it. It`s so much better than the yelling and screaming.

LEMON: I helped to raise my nieces and -- but I didn`t try that on them. They were too smart for me.

FRYE: Communication is key.

LEMON: But you say mommies need a timeout from time to time.

FRYE: I believe that mommies need a little "me" time, the time to take a breath, enjoy a bath, to write or read, to escape a little bit, because genuinely I think it makes us better parents. And I don`t think we should feel guilty about it. I`ve read so many parenting blogs that made me feel like, am I not good enough. Am I doing something wrong? There`s markings on the wall, my cushions are flipped upside down.

LEMON: Can we do lightning round?

FRYE: Sure.

LEMON: You write about Michael Jackson being the babysitter. Conrad Murray trial is coming up. What`s the story about y`all in a hot tub?

FRYE: You have to read the book. It`s funny. I had friends who were friends with Michael. I went to an awesome Bruce Springsteen concert with him as well. I loved people. I asked a million questions. I was incredibly inquisitive. I didn`t realize it was strange --

LEMON: Do you miss him?

FRYE: Do I miss Michael? I didn`t know him for many years after, but I have very Monday memories of that time.

LEMON: I say that you are a trailblazer with this because you actually had a breast reduction and you were quite vocal.

FRYE: Yes. I had showed so much about my life. It`s one thing growing up and it`s another thing growing up in the public eye. I really felt look could I help so many people. But it was also at a time when people really didn`t talk about surgery that way. It was really important for me to be able to share. So much of my life I`ve grown up with people and we`ve had that community.

LEMON: And it`s all right here.

FRYE: Yes, "Happy Chaos." Thank you, appreciate it.

LEMON: It`s a pleasure meeting you. And the book is called "Happy Chaos." Thank you, Soleil. We`ll be right back.

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LEMON: She was with me earlier and she`s back to talk about her new comedy album and tour "I love being me, don`t you"? Sandra Bernhard, thanks for sticking around. So you just finished a sold out Red Cat.

BERNHARD: It was a great review in the "L.A. Times," which was so perfect for me right now.

LEMON: The "L.A. Times" said -- this is a quote, they called you the Mick Jagger of yentas.

BERNHARD: Isn`t that perfect? Of course the way I move on stage and my lips that mick and I have shared for many years, I always get right to it.

LEMON: Can I say that you look fabulous.

BERNHARD: Thank you.

LEMON: And it`s the first time we`ve met in person. I`ve been a huge fan for a long time. You don`t have this weird thing about your age.

BERNHARD: No. I`ve always hung out with people across the spectrum. I try to cover the whole range of age. And when people are young and they`re plugged into their hipness, they`re always that way.

LEMON: It comes through on stage, though, because you can play any single character. You`re timeless. You do this Lady Gaga thing that I thought was hilarious. And I have to say that lady gaga reminds me of one of your former best friends.

BERNHARD: Yes.

LEMON: Do you think it`s a rip off that people say?

BERNHARD: I think Lady Gaga makes Madonna look laconic, to be perfectly honest. She makes Madonna look lazy. She`s constantly out there.

LEMON: Do you see the similarities?

BERNHARD: Between?

LEMON: Between Lady Gaga and Madonna. You`d have to be crazy not to.

BERNHARD: I think we`ve all taken from our predecessors. Lily Tomlin came to my show in L.A. Lilly and Bette Midler were two people I borrowed heavily from. When you`re finding your persona you`re always going to go to the greats if you want to aspire to greatness.

LEMON: Arnold Schwarzenegger hit on you?

BERNHARD: I was down at the beach in my probably 20s. He was at Gold`s gym on the beach and he came over. He was cool.

LEMON: I also think your voice is amazing. "Without you I`m nothing" really changed my life.

BERNHARD: Music was and is my first love. I`m lucky I get to sing in my shows. I`ll be doing a lot of shows over the next few months. I`ll be in P-town Labor Day weekend at the Crown and Anchor. I`ll be in Boston in November. Come see me live.

LEMON: Hopefully I`ll be spending a lot more time up here. The hurricane is probably going to keep me here a while. Thank you, Sandra.

BERNHARD: Thank you.

LEMON: Make sure you check out Sandra`s upcoming tour "I love being me, don`t you?" It`s making stops in New York and Massachusetts. Go to Sandrabernhard.com for more information. Thanks for watching, everyone. Goodnight.

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