Return to Transcripts main page
Joy Behar Page
Interview with Hank Williams Jr.; Michael Jackson Death Trial; Interview With Paula Deen
Aired October 12, 2011 - 22:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
ANNOUNCER: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Hank Williams, Jr. is here to set the record straight about the comments that got him fired from "Monday Night Football".
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HANK WILLIAMS, JR., COUNTRY SINGER: Isn`t this stupid? This whole thing.
JOY BEHAR, HOST: Yes.
WILLIAMS: So now this whole thing is gone because of that (INAUDIBLE).
BEHAR: The song?
WILLIAMS: Yes.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then an expert in the Conrad Murray trial said it was highly unlikely Michael Jackson self-administered the fatal dose of Propofol. But with the prosecution digging into the science behind Jackson`s death are they risking overdoing it and confusing the jury?
Plus celebrity chef, Paula Deen, responds to Anthony Bourdain`s blistering attacks on her cooking style. And she`ll talk about preparing dinner for the first lady.
That and more starting right now.
BEHAR: Hank Williams Jr. isn`t spending Monday nights singing about football anymore but he is spending the other six days discussing his abrupt exit from ESPN and the controversial remarks that led to his firing.
Please help me welcome to the show Hank Williams Jr.
Ok. Hank, all right. So Hank, let`s start -- before we get into this whole, let`s look at a clip from "Fox and Friends" last week that started the whole controversy. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAMS: Remember the golf game they had, ladies and gentlemen? Remember the golf game? That was one of the biggest political mistakes ever.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You mean when John Boehner played golf with President Obama?
WILLIAMS: Oh, yes. Yes. And Biden and Kasich, yes. Uh-huh.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you not like about it? It seems to be a really pivotal moment for you?
Williams: Come on, come on. That would be like Hitler playing golf with Netanyahu. They`re the enemy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who`s the enemy?
WILLIAMS: Obama and Biden. Are you kidding? The three stooges.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Ok. Before we go any further, who`s the third stooge you`re referring to?
WILLIAMS: There`s actually four.
BEHAR: Ok. Tell me who they are.
WILLIAMS: Kasich, Boehner, Obama and Biden.
BEHAR: Ok. So it`s bipartisan at the very least.
WILLIAMS: Well, you know --
BEHAR: Right?
WILLIAMS: Like Elizabeth said, why don`t we have Yankees fans and Red Sox fans get together and we`ll have a nice love lunch. You know, the absurdity and just completely inappropriate. Everything`s for sale, for lease, out of a job, we need work, do you have anything you can help us with? We lost everything. It was just absurd and just really dumb.
BEHAR: Of?
WILLIAMS: Of both parties to do that. It was dumb. It was a slap in the face to the public.
BEHAR: To have the golf game?
WILLIAMS: Yes.
BEHAR: Oh, I see. I thought maybe the question.
WILLIAMS: No, no, no, no. The game. The game.
BEHAR: The game?
WILLIAMS: The game was a huge mistake.
BEHAR: Why? I don`t really agree with that. Why can`t they play golf together?
WILLIAMS: There`s a lot of people out there that look at it like that, Joy.
BEHAR: We`re always saying that people should get together and talk to each other from both parties. They`re playing golf. Men love to play golf.
WILLIAMS: So should the Yankees fans and Red Sox fans but it don`t work that way.
BEHAR: In an ideal world, it would.
WILLIAMS: I guess in an ideal world it would.
BEHAR: But we don`t live in an ideal world, do we, Hank?
WILLIAMS: We don`t live in an ideal world. No, we don`t. We have to watch the news.
BEHAR: In this conversation you had with "Fox and Friends" --
WILLIAMS: Yes.
BEHAR: You say that you`ve been misunderstood. Explain why you think that.
WILLIAMS: There are some magic words, you know, "it would be like" --
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Yes. That`s an analogy.
BEHAR: Right.
WILLIAMS: It would be like so-and-so and so-and-so playing golf. That`s an analogy.
BEHAR: Right. I know that.
WILLIAMS: Yes. Of course you do.
BEHAR: I actually said that on "The View", that it was an analogy.
WILLIAMS: And they started stirring it.
BEHAR: Who?
WILLIAMS: "Fox and Friends", they started stirring it.
BEHAR: Well, Gretchen said who`s the enemy? So in other words, do you think that they were trying to trap you?
WILLIAMS: You know what? This song that I`ve got out says two can play that gotcha game, just wait and see, don`t tread on me.
BEHAR: Uh-oh.
WILLIAMS: That`s exactly what it says. Two can play that got you game. Everyone needs to listen to that song.
BEHAR: Why? What are you planning?
WILLIAMS: My song. That`s my song.
BEHAR: But are you planning more than that?
WILLIAMS: It`s just a song. It`s been out less than 48 hours.
BEHAR: Yes. But just a song can be very --
WILLIAMS: And they can download it free.
BEHAR: But a song can be very subversive.
WILLIAMS: Well, it`s going to be very big, because it already is.
BEHAR: Ok. And it`s against Fox? The song?
WILLIAMS: You know, you need to listen to the -- I guess to the whole -- to the whole song.
BEHAR: I have the song here.
WILLIAMS: Good.
BEHAR: Some of it.
WILLIAMS: I can read the lyrics to it.
BEHAR: Ok. Let`s play it.
WILLIAMS: I mean, I wrote it. So I can read the lyrics.
BEHAR: Let`s play a little of it.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(HANK WILLIAMS, JR. PERFORMING)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: It`s a very, very -- good song. But the thing about it, you say the united socialist states of America. What do you mean by that? Tell me. What does it mean? Do you think --
WILLIAMS: Where we`re headed. Let`s nationalize everything. You know, let`s nationalize car companies. People know what I mean.
BEHAR: I don`t know about that. Hank, you know something about Obama, he`s so pro business in many ways that he has lost a lot of his own base, the left liberal base.
WILLIAMS: Yes. That`s true.
BEHAR: That`s not socialist. You know, I have a dictionary here.
WILLIAMS: Well, everybody does have their opinion and the song is --
BEHAR: I want to read you a definition of socialism just so we can clear it up for everybody who`s watching. We dragged out a dictionary this morning for the analogy.
WILLIAMS: Sure. Absolutely.
BEHAR: Here`s the definition of socialism: a political and economic theory advocating state ownership and control of the means of production, distribution and exchange. It`s a little paranoid I think to think that the state is going to own General Motors and Apple and IBM. It`s a little paranoid, I think, to think that, don`t you?
WILLIAMS: Well, then there`s a lot of paranoid people in this country because if you take a poll, this song has really exploded. Everyone, I think they understand. I`ve got too many letters from too many people. You are our spokesman. You are the only one that has the guts to get up there and say what`s going on out here in the real world, blah, blah, blah. Some other shows will be doing that should be our anthem and on and on. It was easy to write.
BEHAR: Uh-huh. All right.
WILLIAMS: But the other verse, "So "Fox and Friends" want to put me down, ask for my opinion, twist it all around, supposed to be talking about my father`s new CD. Well, two can play that gotcha game, wait and see, don`t tread on me." Just a good old song.
BEHAR: All right. But you know, ASP -- I was going to say the ASPCA -- ESPN, they have cut their ties with you. Do you think you should have been fired?
WILLIAMS: I quit.
BEHAR: You quit?
WILLIAMS: When they pulled that Monday night, I called my manager and I said you can tell ESPN "adios".
BEHAR: Really?
WILLIAMS: Oh, really.
BEHAR: Well, this is their statement, "We have decided to part ways with Hank Williams Jr." I don`t think they realized you quit.
WILLIAMS: Good. Do you think they did the day after what I said on "The View", like the Spanish-American war, we are history, I`m out of it.
BEHAR: Yes. You took a shot at Mickey Mouse today, too.
WILLIAMS: Yes, Mickey is a mean mouse.
BEHAR: What was that about? The Mickey Mouse?
WILLIAMS: Because I had Mickey Mantle.
BEHAR: Well, you weren`t talking about Mickey Mantle. You were talking about Mickey Mouse.
WILLIAMS: Yes, but the other Mantle is a good. Yes, he`s a mean mouse. I let them know pretty well unequivocally, me, my song, ABC, Disney, ESPN have parted company and as of May of 2012, me and -- I`m a free agent. I have choices and that`s what America is about, choices and options.
BEHAR: You have a right -- to me, you have a right to speak your mind.
WILLIAMS: Thank you.
BEHAR: Say what you want to say.
WILLIAMS: That`s the key right there, everyone has the right to opinion.
BEHAR: I believe that. Of course, when you take the name -- the word Hitler and you throw it into a sentence, you are going to start trouble.
WILLIAMS: Oh, yes.
BEHAR: You know, you can`t just -- there are certain buzz words in this country that make everybody crazy.
WILLIAMS: Yes. Oh, yes.
BEHAR: I used it myself one time and I`m on a list of enemies also.
WILLIAMS: I understand perfectly. There`s a thing that just came out on Politico, and they said, isn`t this stupid? This whole thing, so now this whole thing is gone because of that stirring. It`s gone.
BEHAR: The song?
WILLIAMS: Yes. The Monday night. That made me feel really good. I must say, I really feel more alive in the last eight days, a lot of things have happened, the song hit me. We recorded it in a matter of hours, the wonderful, the technology today, bang, it`s out there, bang, 120,000 downloads which is going to be somewhere near a quarter of a million in the next two days?
BEHAR: I was thinking since they`re not going to use it anymore for ESPN, maybe you can adapt the song for my show.
WILLIAMS: For where?
BEHAR: For this show, I need a song.
WILLIAMS: Well, I am just the guy to write a song for you. I have a lot more than just -- I can write a song for you.
BEHAR: Can you write it during the break? We`ll be right back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still to come, Joy talks with the queen of southern cuisine, Paula Deen.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with Hank Williams, Jr. who has been busily writing a song for me. So you want to sing it?
WILLIAMS: You got to watch Joy Behar if you`ve had a day kind have been hard. She will lighten up your mood make you laugh and find your groove. you`ve got to watch you`ve got to watch, you`ve got to watch.
BEHAR: I love that. Thank you. Very, very like a rap star you are. Country music rap star.
WILLIAMS: Well, you`re not far off.
BEHAR: That`s it, that`s it.
WILLIAMS: You know, some of my rowdy friends are kind of go from rock to Snoop Dog.
BEHAR: Yes. Why not?
WILLIAMS: Why not?
BEHAR: You know, I want to tell you something, a "USA Today" poll has -- they did a poll to see who might replace you.
WILLIAMS: Yes.
BEHAR: To sing the Monday night football song? Ok.
WILLIAMS: Well, number one they can`t sing that song anymore. That`s number one.
BEHAR: No. But they have to sing another one.
WILLIAMS: There you go, yes.
BEHAR: But you got the most. It says make up with Hank Jr. and keep the original, 53 percent.
WILLIAMS: We all know that.
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Come on, Joy, 53 percent.
BEHAR: That`s pretty damn good.
WILLIAMS: Thank you very much.
BEHAR: Oh yes.
WILLIAMS: 53.
BEHAR: I mean, Bruce Springsteen only got 14 percent, Dolly Parton, poor thing, only two percent. Well, that`s because she`s a girl.
WILLIAMS: Well, I don`t know what to say there.
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: You know, the bottom line, I have been one of the most blessed guys out there. I walked on the stage in 1957 for the first time.
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Your father`s gone. I`m 8 years old. Get out there and do something. I`m scared to death.
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: With my hand in my pocket, "Good-bye Joe, we`ve got to go, me-oh-my-oh and they`re -- they`re losing it because this god-like musical icon Daddy died at 29 years old.
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: And so here`s an 8-year-old kid trying to figure this stuff out. God, why are they all crying?
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: It was weird. It was weird.
BEHAR: Yes, yes. And you`ve had a tough time. You had a near death experience back in the `70s, a mountain climbing accident.
WILLIAMS: Oh yes, that`s why -- the glasses are not to be cool.
BEHAR: Is that why you wear glasses to cover up some injury?
WILLIAMS: Yes. It`s not exactly -- I`ve had 17 operations. My brain was exposed. I went 400 something feet down the Rocky Mountain/Idaho border and caught a rock from here between the eyes, brains out, teeth gone.
BEHAR: Oh, my gosh.
WILLIAMS: Oh yes. Now I had an able doc. He said, I worked on a lot of boys in Nam. And I hate to say this, but they were -- some were pretty compared to you. And I remembered the medic that they -- when they got the chopper in. One guy looked at the other guy and he said, he`s not going to make it. He`s not going to make it. And I said, you know, this is it, God.
BEHAR: You didn`t pass out from something like that?
WILLIAMS: I never passed out.
BEHAR: See that`s -- that`s my greatest fear you would have incredible pain and you couldn`t pass out.
WILLIAMS: I never felt anything. I had an H ring on, that I was 18 years old --
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: -- when my mother gave it to me. I kept the beat in that snow with that. Watching and I said, I`m going to meet -- this is it, Jesus, I`m gone.
BEHAR: Yes you`re going to meet Jesus.
WILLIAMS: And then in the hospital, I said, you know, I said, I never want to sing again. And I think he fixed me real well.
BEHAR: But you did.
WILLIAMS: It`s a lot more serious than people realized.
BEHAR: Well, it sounds pretty --
WILLIAMS: Yes, 17 operations. But can I tell you the good news?
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: From the neck down, everything works great.
BEHAR: Yes, thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. Listen --
WILLIAMS: Yes. Thank you. Yes.
BEHAR: That`s important.
Now -- now did you -- did you start to take drugs and things after that? Because who wouldn`t?
WILLIAMS: They -- well, they -- God what was the stuff they gave me?
BEHAR: I mean, medication must have been --
WILLIAMS: A horse -- a horse thing of -- they said, if that was going to bother you, it would have done it then.
BEHAR: A horse what?
WILLIAMS: Decadron whatever. My -- my -- I saw my head. They didn`t want me to see my head. I happened to be shuffling along right before Johnny Cash and June Carter got to my room, who flew out there.
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: It was me and John -- June Carter is my godmother.
BEHAR: Oh yes?
WILLIAMS: Yes. Her and mother were close. And I saw my face in that mirror, Joy --
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: -- it was -- it was -- it was past Frankenstein. It was huge.
BEHAR: How old were you then?
WILLIAMS: It was just huge. Huh?
BEHAR: How old were you then?
WILLIAMS: 26 years old. Strong as an ox, thank goodness.
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: And it really -- I shifted mentally when -- when I saw myself, I really shifted into an "it`s over" thing.
BEHAR: Yes. But did you -- but did you then become addicted to drugs?
WILLIAMS: No.
BEHAR: You did not? Alcohol maybe?
WILLIAMS: No.
BEHAR: No? No.
WILLIAMS: I`m the luckiest no -- not hardly, no. They -- you know, it was a painful thing. I had a lot of operations. But they said boy you can handle that good. Now I`m real -- anybody that knows old Bocephus --
BEHAR: Bocephus?
WILLIAMS: I`m going to have my cigar -- that`s what my daddy called me.
BEHAR: Bocephus?
WILLIAMS: Bocephus.
BEHAR: And what`s that about?
WILLIAMS: He got -- Rod Brassfield was on the Grand Old Opry. He had a dummy. He did a -- like ventriloquist.
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: I`m named after a dummy.
BEHAR: Oh that`s so sad.
WILLIAMS: That`s the name of it. That`s where -- that`s where it came from.
BEHAR: And your father called you Bocephus.
WILLIAMS: That`s exactly what he called me.
BEHAR: He did that affectionately, I presume?
WILLIAMS: Oh, absolutely.
BEHAR: Yes, you know before you -- this happened when you were 27 --
WILLIAMS: Would you have this copyrighted, please? Ok.
BEHAR: Before you turned 30, you were 27 when this happened. And then when you -- before you turned 30, I read you attempted suicide at that point?
WILLIAMS: Yes. It wasn`t good.
BEHAR: So you were so depressed by what had happened to you?
WILLIAMS: Yes.
BEHAR: Yes, sure.
WILLIAMS: It wasn`t good, it wasn`t good Joy. You can -- you can really -- you know, daddy had something called the lovesick blues.
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Lovesick blues not a good place to go. You can really, really hit a -- if you ever -- if you can ever get over that very serious hump that some of us in the entertainment world get over and some of us don`t.
Well, we`ll have more with Hank Williams Jr. in just a minute.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with Hank Williams Jr. Your father was a big star. A major, major name in country music.
WILLIAMS: Oh, yes. More than country, Joy.
BEHAR: Was it hard for you to be in his shadow? I mean --
WILLIAMS: Absolutely. Challenges, your name is Hank Williams Jr. There`s the first one.
BEHAR: But Isn`t your son named Hank Williams III?
WILLIAMS: Hank III.
BEHAR: So he has the same name --
WILLIAMS: He has two.
BEHAR: Yes. How`s he handling it?
WILLIAMS: He`s really talented. Really talented.
BEHAR: Maybe you shouldn`t have saddled him with the third name. Maybe you should have called him --
WILLIAMS: Well, I call him Shelton. His name is Shelton. Shelton, that`s what I call him.
BEHAR: Shelton.
WILLIAMS: Yes. S-h-e-l-t-o-n.
BEHAR: I know. But he`s Hank Williams III.
WILLIAMS: Yes. He can`t get away from that.
BEHAR: How did you come out from the shadow of your father?
WILLIAMS: Well, ok. I grow up in a household. You know, you`ve got Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino, Johnny Cash.
BEHAR: I dated him.
WILLIAMS: These people are over there in your house at your father`s piano.
BEHAR: Phenomenal.
WILLIAMS: Because all of them had number one hits on his song. Ray Charles.
BEHAR: Yes.
WILLIAMS: His personal assistant said, you know, Ray told me he really wants you to be at that funeral. But that`s big stuff.
BEHAR: So even though it was tough for you.
WILLIAMS: That was a challenge.
BEHAR: You`re proud of your father, though, I can hear it.
WILLIAMS: Look, a lot of us -- there`s a lot of us out there -- a lot of people say Elvis is. A lot of people think that man that was going all over that stage at hey good looking, he was the first sharp dressed honky- tonk rambling man. He might be the first rock-a-billy, hank.
BEHAR: I understand you`re selling Hank Jr. for president T-shirts. Before we go, tell us what you would do if you were president. What would you do?
WILLIAMS: Oh, gosh.
What would I do first? Yes. I just can`t do it. I want to go fishing.
BEHAR: Why don`t you sell Hank Jr. for fishing? Those T-shirts.
WILLIAMS: Now, you`re talking. You know what I would do? When they swore me in, I would put my hand there and look at everyone, I promise to promise you nothing.
BEHAR: Ok. You heard it here, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, Hank Jr. very much for coming on this show.
WILLIAMS: Thank you.
BEHAR: Now, I`m going to plug something for you. You can go to hankjunior.com for a free download of Hank`s new single, "Keep the Change" and the boxed set, bring it out here, Bob, of Hank`s father`s music.
WILLIAMS: Now, that`s special. That`s special.
BEHAR: "Hank Williams, The Legend Begins" is in stores now. Wow, that is -- that`s nice.
WILLIAMS: The first one is 1938.
BEHAR: That`s a beauty.
We`ll be right back.
Thank you, Hank, very much. Let me have my song.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later, Paula Deen tells Joy how it feels to be named "Maxim" magazine`s hottest female TV chef.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: For all of you out there who think you`re having a bad week, things could be a lot worse. You could be Dr. Conrad Murray. He`s really having a bad week. Today, another medical expert went after him. Watch.
(VIDEO CLIP)
DR. ALON STEINBERG, CARDIOLOGIST: When you monitor a patient you never leave their side, especially after giving Propofol. It`s -- it`s like leaving a baby that`s sleeping on your kitchen countertop. You look at it and it`s probably going to be OK and you`re just going to put some diapers away or go to the bathroom but you would never do it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Joining me now to talk about this are HLNs own Jane Velez- Mitchell, host of Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell, and Dr. Sandeep Kapoor, Anna Nicole Smith`s former doctor. Jane, this cardiologist, Dr. Alon Steinberg, he testified today and basically threw Murray under the bus, citing examples of gross negligence. What -- tell us what he said. Let`s hear it.
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES": Well, he boiled down all this complex medical terminology into a half dozen gross deviations from standard care he said you should never give Propofol as a sleep aid. Mistake number one. You should never give Propofol without the proper medical equipment, which Dr. Conrad Murray didn`t have. He didn`t have an assistant there as well to help out the doctor.
BEHAR: Right.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Then, this -- this cardiologist also said don`t leave the room, as you just heard, and leave the patient under sedation. And then when he came back, he said he did absolutely the wrong thing by not calling 911 immediately and then actually doing the wrong things to try to resuscitate him. Instead of trying to get him oxygen, he improperly performed CPR and, finally, didn`t leave notes. So, a slew of mistakes.
BEHAR: All right, and he -- he shouldn`t have been on the phone, he said, or texting. He didn`t keep records. All of that, I mean, there`s so many things that he did wrong and the -- we still can`t get over that the guy didn`t know how to do CPR. We still haven`t figured that one out, so, you know.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, well, first of all, he wasn`t even supposed to do CPR because what this cardiologist said was that he -- he wasn`t having heart failure, he was having trouble breathing.
BEHAR: Yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: .so that he should have gotten an Ambu bag in there and gotten oxygen into him. Instead, he does this half-hearted CPR on a bed, which is the wrong way to do it.
BEHAR: Yes. OK, let`s listen to another part of Dr. Steinberg`s testimony today.
(VIDEO CLIP)
STEINBERG: He should have never started chest compressions. He should have called 911. First of all, it makes logical sense to call 911. He doesn`t have any of the appropriate equipment, any help. He needs to get help. You call 911 first, OK, because he -- obviously, waiting didn`t work.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Doctor, might Michael have lived if Murray had called 911 first?
DR. SANDEEP KAPOOR, ANNA NICOLE SMITH`S FORMER DOCTOR: Arguably, yes, I think he may have -- have done that because minutes do count and the doctor today testified and mentioned about just minutes, seconds and minutes, and the first thing you do -- it doesn`t matter if you are a physician or if you are trained in CPR, you call 911 first. You scream it out, you say get help, do something, and then you tend to your patient.
Because, you know, I had a case in the field that I had to resuscitate a woman at Denny`s of all places but she -- I -- I was there. She was alone. I asked the manager to call 911 and they were there in three minutes and this woman lived.
BEHAR: Yes.
KAPOOR: So time does matter in the case of heart failure and the issue about whether or not, you know, he had a heartbeat or not or he was breathing or not breathing or what he did improperly, really, the protocol for CPR is to call 911 first.
BEHAR: Well, you know, because we were talking here about how sometimes you call 911 and they ask you so much information, where are you, et cetera, et cetera, that maybe you`re wasting precious time. If you`re a doctor wouldn`t you do something first? I guess not. We`re just learning this now.
KAPOOR: Well you can just -- you can just say get here, we`ve got a patient that`s unresponsive and get here. Here`s the address. I mean, that`s really all you need to give. They`re not going to give you an interview or it`s not like being on rounds at a hospital where they`re going to tell you. You just need to know, and it`s any lay person can say this, the patient`s unresponsive, not breathing, whatever, not -- doesn`t look right, get over here.
BEHAR: I see. OK, Jane, the defense dropped their theory that Michael drank Propofol. Tell me about that.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, first of all, I think it might be a tough sell that in the couple of minutes that Dr. Murray told police he was out of the room Michael Jackson takes a juice container and mixes it with Propofol and then mixes it with the anti-burn lidocaine and then chug-a-lugs it and then gets back into position.
But, also, there are studies that seem to indicate that drinking Propofol will not kill you. So, I think that they`re switching more to he took eight lorazepam pills as the defense is alleging and also that he self-injected the Propofol, there was some kind of injection port on his body.
KAPOOR: And they`re going --pills -- ingesting the pills would be the furthest thing, I would think, they would try to go because it`s not going to kill anybody instantly. It`s going to take that time for that to get in the circulation. So, there seems to be a lot of shift in theories on the defense side. It seems like they can`t seem to understand which way to go here with theories about whether or not he drank it. Now he`s putting it through the IV in his leg. These are all -- they all seem to be shifting, even before the defense has put on their case yet.
BEHAR: OK. Doctor, do you find it suspicious that Conrad Murray kept no records while treating Michael?
KAPOOR: It`s high -- it`s -- it`s highly -- it does deviate extremely from the standard of care because the -- what the doctor had said today was that if it isn`t written down it didn`t happen. And that `s true of everything in medicine.
If you don`t document consent, it doesn`t mean -- it didn`t happen. If you don`t document every single thing you do, especially in a patient that you`re treating that`s critically ill, then you are basically trying to remember it secondhand. That`s why we write things down and we write things down for, yet, a court of law in case we have to defend ourselves.
But, we write it down, you know, yes to keep notes for ourselves but it is also for so someone else can look at it and say, hey, well this is what happened, this is what happened. Remember, again, hindsight is just not right. It`s not ethical and it deviates from the standard of care.
BEHAR: Yes, well, he was getting $150,000 a month so maybe he didn`t want to keep medical records.
KAPOOR: Well, you`d think he might have some time to do it, I -- I -- you know, if you have, I mean, if you have one patient, you know, and you need to document it. I mean, I don`t like documenting, none of us do, it`s just a pain and that`s why we try to do electronic records or whatever but the idea is is that it`s a mandatory part of our profession to document what we`re doing with patients.
BEHAR: You know, it`s like if he had an assistant there, as you said, Jane, someone else could have called 911, someone else could be taking notes. You know, at $150,000 a month he could have come up with a few -- a few dollars for an assistant. Now, today, was today a win for the .
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, he may have wanted to keep the money for himself.
BEHAR: .apparently he did. Now, was today a win for the defense or the prosecution, Jane?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, I think it was -- they knocked it out of the park for the prosecution.
BEHAR: Yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: This cardiologist, who, by the way, is handsome, articulate, great eye contact with the jury, just hit one fabulous note for the prosecution after the other because we had been mired in a lot of medical gobbledygook of half-lives of various medications and showing up in their liver and -- and Michael Jackson`s stomach and everybody was just kind of getting confused and now he boiled it down to people terms of this reckless behavior on the part of Dr. Conrad Murray in a way that we could relate to.
Hey, yes, I`ve been in surgery once and I filled out this form and the nurse asked me what I was allergic to and all this stuff. Dr. Conrad Murray apparently didn`t do any of that and didn`t take any notes. So, he did it in a relatable way.
BEHAR: Yes. OK, thank you guys very much for joining me tonight. Up next, the Maria Callas of the deep fryer, Paula Deen. By the way, that sound you hear -- my stomach, it`s my stomach.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: Paula Deen is known to have great southern cooking but what`s really heating up is the feud between Paul and fellow chef Anthony Bourdain. Joining me now is the queen of southern cuisine, the one and only Paula Deen with wonderful new cookbook called Paula Deen`s Southern Cooking Bible because she is the Bible writer when it comes to southern cuisine, aren`t you my dear?
PAULA DEEN, CHEF: You know, it`s -- it`s the handbook. I hope that it`s going to be the handbook but -- but anybody that enjoys getting in their kitchen.
BEHAR: I know, there`s a few - -there`s some great things in here that I think I`m going to make. Jambalaya? I want to make jambalaya.
DEEN: I was going to say, Joy, I`ve tried to touch on, you know, anywhere you go there`s different -- in different regions there`s different styles .
BEHAR: Yes.
DEEN: .so I tried to touch on Louisiana.
BEHAR: Yes.
DEEN: There`s nothing like Louisiana cooking. Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, North Carolina...
BEHAR: Yes.
DEEN: .along with Georgia because there`s constant feuds going on about what kind of barbecue sauce do you use and no, I do a dry rub, you know, so, I`ve tried to include.
BEHAR: Well, you know what, in the next segment, we`re going to talk -- I want to eat the food, you brought something for me.
DEEN: .I did.
BEHAR: But, right now, I want to talk about the fight you`re having with or he`s having with you, Anthony Bourdain.
DEEN: Yes, he .
BEHAR: So, first of all, here`s what it is. He called you the most dangerous person in America.
DEEN: Evil I think.
BEHAR: No, dangerous. More dangerous than even Piers Morgan. OK. It`s that -- you know what I mean, that`s dangerous. And, he said that your cooking is (expletive) bad for you. That`s what he said.
DEEN: Well, let me tell you something, girlfriend, maybe it is bad for you but I don`t go around eating or serving unwashed anuses of wildebeest.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Is that -- that`s not in this book, I guess.
DEEN: No.
BEHAR: Because.
DEEN: Call me crazy.
BEHAR: .didn`t you call him also an elitist? That was very nice of you.
DEEN: No, I did not.
BEHAR: But -- but elitist, that`s not such a big insult, an elitist.
DEEN: No, I -- you know, I -- let him go his way, I don`t care. Look in here and see if you see anybody that gives a crap.
BEHAR: The evil eye.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: And he also said that "you revel in unholy connections with evil corporations." Do you know what he`s talking about? What is he talking about?
DEEN: I don`t know.
BEHAR: I don`t know what he`s talking about. And he goes after not only you but Rachel Ray and Sandra Lee. What does he have against beautiful women who cook?
DEEN: Thank you. You know, I -- I -- I don`t know if it`s a publicity thing on his part.
BEHAR: Yes.
DEEN: .because we don`t know each other. He`s never had his feet under my table. I don`t -- I don`t know him.
BEHAR: No. But he also -- he doesn`t go after like Gordon Ramsay or Mario Batali.
DEEN: Oh my God, they`d kill him.
BEHAR: What -- what`s his gripe with you?
DEEN: I -- I don`t know. I`ve never done anything to the man.
BEHAR: Well, isn`t it about the fact that your food is fattening? Isn`t that what it is?
DEEN: Well.
BEHAR: You know it`s fattening, so just say it.
DEEN: .some of it is, some of it`s not. You know, I think people have a misconception of southern food. I think that people think we eat fried chicken, biscuits, and gravy every day when, in fact, we don`t. In the last 10 years, Joy, I`ve had a chance to travel and see what other sections of our country do. We eat more vegetables than any other area I`ve ever been to.
BEHAR: But do you deep fry the okra?
DEEN: Of course.
(LAUGHTER)
DEEN: And -- but we also put it on our pot of peas in the last 15 or 20 minutes. You know, we eat collard greens and turnip greens.
BEHAR: Yes.
DEEN: .and we grow our own tomatoes. I have my own chickens. I get my, you know, organic eggs.
BEHAR: You`ve get your own chickens?
DEEN: Well, I don`t kill chickens.
BEHAR: No. No. Someone else does that for you.
DEEN: Oh, no, not my chickens. They ain`t touching my chickens.
BEHAR: No, your chickens are pets?
DEEN: Yes.
BEHAR: Oh, they`re pets.
DEEN: I go out and I rock them and I sing to them.
BEHAR: Once you give an animal a name you can`t kill it, right?
DEEN: That`s right.
BEHAR: That`s true. Now, Maxim Magazine.
DEEN: And one was born with like a little harelip.
BEHAR: Who had a harelip? One of the chickens?
DEEN: .one of my chickens.
BEHAR: Oh.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Really?
DEEN: Yes.
BEHAR: That`s interesting.
DEEN: Isn`t that interesting? Y`all stay tuned for more.
BEHAR: I`ve never seen -- I`ve never quite of a harelipped chicken but you never know what you`re going to learn -- learn on this show.
DEEN: You never know.
BEHAR: Now, here`s what the guy learned, that Maxim Magazine called you the sexiest female TV chef. How about that, Paula?
DEEN: I think they`re tricking me. I think they`re playing with my mind.
BEHAR: Well, they had a picture of you in the magazine.
DEEN: Ah, yes, (inaudible).
BEHAR: But, instead of your face they put a stick of butter. That was rude.
DEEN: Well, I guess that`s the picture that people have in their mind of me when they hear my name. But, I -- I called Jamie this afternoon, my oldest soon, and I said, "Jamie, did you hear about Maxim Magazine?" He said, "Momma," he said, "I asked somebody to stop the merry-go-round and let me off."
BEHAR: Now, I want to ask you about Michelle Obama.
DEEN: Yes.
BEHAR: Because you spent some time with her.
DEEN: I did.
BEHAR: And, is it true that you -- that her favorite, or his favorite, maybe the president`s favorite meal is what?
DEEN: They love hot wings.
BEHAR: Hot wings. Those are like buffalo wings, right?
DEEN: Those are buffalo wings.
BEHAR: Yes.
DEEN: And, you know, they like things that are really all American, you know, that everybody loves.
BEHAR: Well who doesn`t love a buffalo wing. That is a delicious, oh my God, and then you dip it in the -- in the -- the -- the thing. The Roquefort cheese thing.
DEEN: If you -- if you and your new husband.
BEHAR: My husband.
DEEN: .your husband will come down and see me I`ll make y`all some chicken wings that will make you slap your momma.
BEHAR: Make me jump out of my brassiere.
DEEN: And your socks and everything.
BEHAR: OK, but the First Lady, she`s been doing a whole campaign about being fit and everything so how does this fit into her program of being fit.
DEEN: You know, she`s like anybody else, Joy. She enjoys good food and it`s all about moderation. The day that I had Michelle on my show I taught her how I fry shrimp.
BEHAR: Yes.
DEEN: Honey, that lady did not even stop during the break.
BEHAR: Yes.
DEEN: She was popping those shrimp.
BEHAR: Is there a special way to fry shrimp?
DEEN: No, they`re just good, you know, a good fresh, fried shrimp is hard to beat and we were so -- we have so many where I`m from.
BEHAR: Shrimp?
DEEN: Yes.
BEHAR: Oh, yes.
DEEN: Yes. Michael will go out and just cast right off our dock.
BEHAR: And the shrimp are right there at the side of your house?
DEEN: Yes. Yes.
BEHAR: That`s so great.
DEEN: And he will put out the crab traps and we crab and we`ll have a big old crab boil and .
BEHAR: But, you know, Michelle Obama, it seems to me that she`s always getting -- she`s always getting a bad rap because wherever she eats, wherever she goes, whatever she does -- like last week or two weeks ago she was at Target shopping.
DEEN: Right.
BEHAR: .and the press was all over her about it.
DEEN: Right.
BEHAR: Why do they do that to her?
DEEN: I don`t know. I don`t know why people would care, you know, if she`s shopping at Target or not. You know, she`s just like the rest of us, she`s human.
BEHAR: Yes.
DEEN: And, I don`t know. I -- I think people should live and let live.
BEHAR: You do?
DEEN: Yes.
BEHAR: And what about being fat. How do you feel about people being fat because this guy, Governor Christie from New Jersey.
DEEN: Is the cutest guy.
BEHAR: .he does have a cute -- he has a cute face, he does.
DEEN: .oh, he`s got that face you want to go up and you just want to say, "You want a biscuit?"
BEHAR: Yes, whatever. But, he`s a real (inaudible). He`s a chubette. There`s no question about it.
DEEN: Oh my gosh, and TV really puts it on you. I run into people all the time.
BEHAR: It adds a hundred pounds, Paula.
DEEN: .that`s what I`m saying, Joy. People will come up to me and they`ll say, you ain`t nearly as fat in person as you are on TV. And I`m trying to decide should I say thank you or kiss my ass, you know, I can`t make up my mind.
BEHAR: OK, we`ll have more with Paula Deen in just a minute. Don`t go away.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with Paula Deen and who is happier than me right now because Paula has made two dishes from her new book, Paula Deen`s Southern Cooking Bible. OK, what did you -- what did you make for me, Paula?
DEEN: All right, this is a peach upside down.
BEHAR: Peach or pineapple?
DEEN: .cake right here.
BEHAR: Oh, it is peach.
DEEN: No, it`s peaches.
BEHAR: Oh.
DEEN: Everybody loves pineapple upside down cake but in the south, you know, we`re really known for our peaches so, taste it and tell me how you like it.
BEHAR: Well, I have something - that`s desert.
DEEN: Yes, I know. You don`t eat desert first?
BEHAR: Well, life is short, eat desert first. But, I`d like to eat this first. What is that?
DEEN: OK, please.
BEHAR: This is beautiful, by the way, I love the way it looks.
DEEN: This is the way we serve it at The Lady and Sons. It`s our Chicken Pot Pie.
BEHAR: That is delicious.
DEEN: Thank you. Thank you. And it`s just one of the ultimate comfort foods.
BEHAR: It really is. It`s good for company too.
DEEN: Yes it is. Anything you can prepare ahead, Joy.
BEHAR: Somebody told me that your issue with food is your weakness is potatoes and cigarettes. Do you do it at the same time?
DEEN: Yes. Doesn`t everybody?
BEHAR: How much do you smoke?
DEEN: Oh, it depends on how long my day is.
BEHAR: Yes.
DEEN: Dr. Oz.
BEHAR: Like how many cigarettes.
DEEN: Probably a pack and a half.
BEHAR: Well, that`s ridiculous.
DEEN: I know.
BEHAR: You must stop.
DEEN: I know.
BEHAR: How do you smoke a pack and a half today nowadays my dear? (inaudible).
DEEN: Well, that`s what I say, it`s -- they`re making it harder.
BEHAR: And the potatoes? I love a potato. Who doesn`t love a potato?
DEEN: I love a potato.
BEHAR: Oh my God, (inaudible) potato.
DEEN: Yes, because of everything you can do with a potato. I make the most wonderful potato soup with a little ham in it, a baked potato, French fries, scalloped potatoes. A potato. I love them.
BEHAR: No, a potato is a beautiful thing for sure.
DEEN: It is. It is.
BEHAR: What`s your -- what`s your red light food, like, if you eat it you`re going to not stop. Like, mine is pizza to tell you the truth.
DEEN: Really?
BEHAR: Yes, if I start with one piece I will eat the whole pie, I will.
DEEN: And, see, that`s kind of the way that I am with a French fry. You know, I`ll think well now I`ll order me the little hamburger and the little fry and I`ll eat like three. Wrong.
BEHAR: So .
DEEN: I am licking the paper that the fries came in.
BEHAR: .yes, that -- that`s true. But, I mean, let`s say you`re on death row. OK, let`s say you kill Anthony Bourdain .
DEEN: And I`m sent to the electric chair?
BEHAR: .and you`re about to go to the electric chair and they say you can have one last meal. What would it be?
DEEN: A very, very, very long buffet.
BEHAR: OK. Be sure to pick up the latest Paula Deen Southern Cooking Bible, it`s really a good book. Up next, Showbiz Tonight. We`ll look at the fallout from the release of Michael Jackson`s autopsy photo. Thank you for watching. Good night everybody. Bon appetit.
END
