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Update on the Baby Lisa Case; Crossing Over with John Edward
Aired October 31, 2011 - 22:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE ANNOUNCER: Coming up on the "Joy Behar Show." As we near a month in the disappearance of baby Lisa, there`s a shake-up in the Irwin Family`s legal strategy. Joy will find out why one attorney dropped out of the case.
Plus, it`s Halloween and psychic medium John Edward is taking your calls about the other side.
That and more starting right now.
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: It has now been 27 days since little Lisa Irwin disappeared from her Kansas City home. And while reports say police are chasing a number of lead, there are still many unanswered questions.
Here with me to discuss the latest in this case is CNN reporter, Jim Spellman.
Jim, what`s the latest on the ground in Kansas City?
JIM SPELLMAN, CNN REPORTER: Well Joy, there have been a number of developments over the weekend. Along with Baby Lisa going missing that same night, Deborah Bradley, the mother, reported three cell phones missing.
We knew that call was made a 50 second phone call from one of those calls that night. We`ve also learned that that call was made to a woman named Megan Wright who is the ex girlfriend of a man often seen in this neighborhood doing yard work. People described him as a drifter, a handyman, someone who often was homeless. So, that obviously a very interesting development and casts a different light on that phone call.
BEHAR: So, one of the phones just called this woman, what you know?
SPELLMAN: That`s what we know according to what she`s told us.
BEHAR: OK. And three phones were found? You`re telling me, right?
SPELLMAN: Three phones were found. We only have information that the call was made from that single phone.
BEHAR: Well, that`s interesting. OK. What would they are making of that? Anything more to tell me about that woman?
SPELLMAN: Well, I mean it`s very interesting. She used to live in this neighborhood and as they said, her ex-boyfriend is a drifter. He was really the focus of this investigation the first week or so. He is in been in and out of jail for robbery and some car theft stuffs. We don`t know where he is right now.
Now, a couple weeks ago, the police picked him up with an unrelated warrant and he said he doesn`t appear to be part of this case but with this woman coming forward and describing this phone call and her interrogation by the FBI and police about it, it certainly does raise a lot of questions to you know what is their relationship.
She also said police told her in this interrogation that Deborah Bradley, the mother of baby Lisa had her phone number written on her hand. Now, we know police don`t have to tell the truth during this but that`s certainly an interesting details well, Joy.
BEHAR: So, the mother, Deborah Bradley and this woman know each other and the phone rings this drifter, that`s what happened? And this drifter, could he be the one that these three witnesses saw walking in the woods with the baby in the middle of the night and a diaper? Is that possible?
SPELLMAN: Well, it certainly is possible. Nobody has identified him. But just to be clear, the phone call was to this woman`s phone, this woman Megan Wright, and Megan Wright says she does not know Deborah Bradley, except she knows this neighborhood and a lot of people seen her with this man, his name is John Tanko (ph), also known as Jersey, that was kind a nickname. But she says she doesn`t know Deborah Bradley.
BEHAR: OK. All right. Thank you Jim for the update.
I`m now joined by Bill Stanton, the private investigator working for Lisa`s parents. Bill, the family - let me ask you this question, they say that a phone was missing from the house and it called someone the night of the disappearance. Do we know who made that call?
BILL STANTON, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well first, let me take a quick step back. I`m not working for the parents. I`m actually working with the parents, meaning that I`m not retained by them. And if I find information that leads me to them, I will give that to law enforcement. So, I`m not working for them, I`m working with them.
BEHAR: So, you don`t have a clue about that question?
STANTON: Ask me the question again.
BEHAR: I said they say a phone was missing from the house and called someone the night of the disappearance. Do we know who made the call?
STANTON: No. I don`t necessarily know that a phone call was actually made. It`s my understanding, and I have all indication to believe that their bill was -- their service was partially cut off, meaning they could receive incoming. They couldn`t make out-going you know. That`s part of the problem out there a lot of you know disinformation and partial truths. The fact that there is report that someone received a call, you know, I don`t know where that came from.
BEHAR: OK. But let me talk about what you do know. The family has been moved, right? Why did they move?
STANTON: The family was moved, just to give some space. You know it`s very cramped quarters. And things you know -- there`s a lot of tension. So, it`s just to get them out for a couple of days to, you know, get a little space, to be with the kids.
BEHAR: Yes. But the family -- you don`t want them to be talking to the media possibly, right? Do you want to lay off the media right now?
STANTON: Joy, that`s not my call, but it does make sense. I mean I fully hope, from my standpoint, I want them to fully cooperate with the K.C.P.D. and the FBI. I`m not a defense attorney. As far as talking to the press, yes, there is a time and place to talk to the press.
But as you know, you guys do a great job and sometimes you ask questions that would be leading a witness in a court case. And if they take that question and say, well maybe, well possibly, could be, then it`s by the time it trickles down you know to the talking heads, it gets all twisted out of proportion.
BEHAR: But if you don`t talk to the media, you don`t keep this case alive. I thought that was the whole point.
STANTON: Well, what are we doing right now, Joy?
BEHAR: Keeping the case alive.
STANTON: Exactly.
BEHAR: OK. But the-
STANTON: And that`s one of the things, and that`s one of the things I`m out here to do, is to keep the focus on Lisa. You know, not about which lawyer was left and for what reason, all that other stuff. The main thing here is to find this kid, find this baby and bring her home. What I want is for someone to collect 100 grand, no questions asked, tell us where this bouncing baby of joy is and we`ll go get her.
BEHAR: OK, are the police ever going to talk to the two brothers? Because they -- the parents gave permission to talk to them and then they pulled it back. So, are they ever going to get to talk to those kids?
STANTON: Right. Well, I mean that`s a Joe Tacopina question, that`s a defense attorney question not a Bill Stanton question.
BEHAR: You know there`s a lot of concentration going on the family. What about this guy seen in the middle of the night carrying a baby with a diaper. I mean there were three eyewitnesses to that. Are there no leads on that?
STANTON: Joy, thank you so much for bringing that up, so I didn`t have to. Right over my shoulder is the house, right? And I will give you a quick time on 11:30, was the last the lights were out anybody saw that house, no one coming in or out. At 12:30, there are two eyewitnesses literally less than 100 yards from where I`m standing, and they saw a man, not a woman, a man carrying a child in a diaper, nothing else.
At 12:30, then let`s move forward to the last sighting, at 4 a.m., similar description, three miles from here, man on his motorcycle. And he sees a man carrying a baby like on his shoulder. A baby in a diaper, nothing else, in chill weather. This to me is right out there. This is where we should be focused on who this person is. No other sightings before or after, just on that day.
BEHAR: So, where are the leads on this time? Nothing.
STANTON: Well, I do believe there are leads but I do not feel comfortable. I don`t want to interfere. I`, stepping so careful not to interfere with the K.C.P.D. and FBI. I think they`re doing a fine job by the way and I got to believe they`re following up on this.
BEHAR: Alright, thanks, Bill. Thank you. We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: My next guest is a world renowned psychic medium who claims to have helped thousands with his uncanny ability to communicate with those who have crossed over which is another way of saying, you`re dead.
Please welcome John Edward.
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BEHAR: Hi, John.
JOHN EDWARD, PSYCHIC MEDIUM: Hi Joy. Thanks for having me.
BEHAR: Always a pleasure to see you. But you know, how exactly do people communicate with you in this new technology age? Do they tweet you? Do they e-mail?
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EDWARD: Well, it`s actually funny you should say that. Because for years, I`ve always use the knowledge when people use the term, where are they? I say it`s kind of like the internet, where`s the internet? It`s a place of the destination that you can`t get to the physical body. You need to have something a condiment to connect with it. There is some good place, and there are some not a good place but it`s an ultimate place of communication. So, to me, that`s how I look at the other side. So, I`m kind of like a blackberry.
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BEHAR: Kind of like the atmosphere out there, somewhere?
EDWARD: Some readings are butt dialing and some readings are quite a spot on, you meant to make the phone call.
BEHAR: Alright, why do you say that psychics say there`s the mean joy and the nice joy?
EDWARD: Because there is the mean joy. Let`s be clear. I love you, you know that. I`m a fan. You beat in a poker like, we`re good. But at the same time, when I`ve sat with you collectively on the other show where there might be a few other personalities involved, you know there`s a different version of you. I prefer this version.
BEHAR: Regarding psychics.
EDWARD: OK.
BEHAR: Not that I`m mean in general. With psychics, because I don`t buy the whole thing, I`m a skeptic.
EDWARD: OK. I`m down with that. I think it`s important to be skeptical but you are not cynical because to be cynical it means that you don`t have a feeling or faith or you don`t have a belief. And I don`t think that`s where you`re coming from. Am I wrong?
BEHAR: You know I`m so reality based. I`m so pragmatic that it`s the kind of thing - to me it`s like religion, which I consider a lot of religion is superstition.
EDWARD: Right. Or business.
BEHAR: Yes, or a business. So, I mean and I know that these kinds of things can be readily explained.
EDWARD: you have feelings. You are a human, you have feelings.
BEHAR: I am human, John. Contrary to public opinion. EDWARD: You are human and have feelings and can express those feelings or you can get a gut instinct feeling or B.S. feeling about of something and you can react to that. So, love is a feeling. Love is what mediums are connecting.
BEHAR: But you have this gift, John.
EDWARD: Not gift, its ability.
BEHAR: Is it ever a curse?
EDWARD: I think there are moments when it`s very, very difficult to have this ability when you are dealing with the a parent who lost a child and you don`t want really have to dealt with that or if you are dealing with being attacked because somebody is trying to personally define who you are when they don`t know you and they are defining what their fears are and they are coming at you with arrogance and intolerance and ignorance and try to save that something that you believe.
You know it`s funny when you talk about skepticism or cynicism. People who are skeptical or have cynicism never give the same opportunity for possibility as physic. If somebody said say I don`t believe, I go, OK, I don`t attack them. I never attack the person for not believing.
BEHAR: Are you attacked to this? I don`t do that to you.
EDWARD: No, no. But people do attack.
If they`re coming from a place of fear, they will be like it`s making them look at something they don`t want to have to deal with. That`s whether a skeptic or lost someone who lost someone who wants to be able to connect but yet feels like they still have to deal with their grief first.
BEHAR: OK. All right. There are people on the phone who would like to speak to you.
EDWARD: I will do my best.
BEHAR: We have a call, Mary from Texas. What`s your question for John?
MARY, CALLER, TEXAS: John, what do you do about reincarnation?
EDWARD: Well, it`s funny you said that. This past weekend I took over Sirius for like three days. I had a whole station there.
BEHAR: Sirius radio?
EDWARD: Sirius radio. It was the psychic channel and one of our hosts came on and had on Doctor Brian Wise (ph). I believe you met Doctor Brian Wise (oh).
BEHAR: Yes. I did a past life regression with him supposedly.
EDWARD: You did attempt past life, you were dealing with past life stand-up.
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EDWARD: I was there. There are people who have very successful experiences. One of the things brought up to him, what happens if a person has come back? So, I want to say I do personally believe.
BEHAR: You believe in reincarnation.
EDWARD: I do.
BEHAR: I`ve never seen any proof of that.
EDWARD: What kind of proof do you need?
BEHAR: Some kind of proof that - some scientific proof. There`s no scientific proof of it.
EDWARD: Well, there`s data. There`s data in the sense of if you look at right, if you were to actually have a panel of people on, right there, people who are like Doctor Brian Wise who do this work, --
BEHAR: Yes.
EDWARD: -- who have done years and years of cases, where they have done stuff with people and they`ve seen and researched. If you have conversations with people credible at doing this type of work, I think you might shift your opinion slightly.
BEHAR: We now have 7 billion people in this world. We don`t need them to come back.
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BEHAR: it`s like you`re finished, you`re done, that`s it. Now, the next crop comes in.
EDWARD: Right.
BEHAR: We don`t need them to rotate. Unnecessary.
EDWARD: It takes a lot of actors in the world right, and they are playing different roles. So, these actors might play roles where they are playing different people.
BEHAR: OK. All right. I like these people calling in. So, let`s go to Vicky from Alabama.
Hi, Vicky.
VICKY, CALLER, ALABAMA: Hey. My husband was recently killed in a horrific accident and everything happened so quickly, I have tons of unanswered questions.
EDWARD: Vicki, can I say this? Besides your husband, I`m very, very sorry from your recent loss. Did somebody pass from a suicide?
VICKY: Not that I can think of. Off the top of my head.
EDWARD: OK. I`m actually getting the feeling, so just to explain the process to Joy, as I`m talking and opening up, right? I`m getting the feeling of somebody passing from a gunshot to the head which to me means yes, which means that something that they did caused their passing but I`m feeling them taking on the responsibility for this. But I`m seeing this being like an impact to their head that they caused. So for me, an impact to the head that somebody caused would be a gunshot in some way.
BEHAR: She says no.
EDWARD: Can you hear me?
BEHAR: All this from my husband passed?
EDWARD: She asks me the question and opens up like turning the radio on. It`s like what`s there? So --
BEHAR: Vicky, does anything John saying sound right to you?
VICKY: Not yet. I don`t know anybody -- I can`t think of anybody has -- I don`t know if I`ve ever know anybody that committed suicide.
EDWARD: I`m actually feeling like somebody is telling me like they caused their passing, they caused their own passing.
BEHAR: Did he die in an auto accident? How did he die?
VICKY: He did die in an auto accident.
EDWARD: Well, Joy is going to do the reading now. Keep going.
BEHAR: No. I`m just asking you questions.
EDWARD: Why did you ask if he died in an auto accident?
BEHAR: I was giving you more detailed.
EDWARD: No, no. But how did you know?
BEHAR: No, I did not know. I just assumed that it was an auto accident because that`s the most common.
EDWARD: Did you assume it or get it?
BEHAR: I assumed it.
EDWARD: You assumed it. But how do you know? Keep going. Let us something else.
BEHAR: I assumed it because most people who say -
EDWARD: I am so dead serious right now, it`s Halloween. Go with me. Work with me. Tell Mary something else. Assume something else.
BEHAR: If someone says their husband died in an accident. I`m very sorry for you, Vicky, by the way, we`re not making light of this, I assume it was an automobile accident the most common. That`s all.
EDWARD: OK. But I think there might be something else that happened.
BEHAR: Was he alone in the car?
VICKY: He wasn`t and there was something more it to that John was saying, not just an accident.
BEHAR: What is it? What was it? Do you want to tell us?
VICKY: Well, does John want me to go ahead and tell him?
EDWARD: No. I want you to know I`m getting somebody. I want to be clear, I`m very, very sorry. I say I have OCD in my head and get stuck on stuff. There`s somebody that`s connected to you and this person passed and they caused their own passing and it has to do with an impact to their head and it`s what they did caused how they got there. So, I don`t know if this is your husband or not. I am not seeing a vehicle. I am seeing a gun. And I`m seeing somebody crossing --
BEHAR: She is saying there is more to the story. But is anything that he`s saying, does anything he`s saying relate to what you say is more to the story, Vicky?
VICKY: Not to my husband`s passing, no.
EDWARD: OK. Connected to you, Vicky, is there anybody who passed over where they literally passed because of a gunshot?
VICKY: No.
EDWARD: Would you do me a huge favor? Would you contact the show and let them know if you figure out what this is? I appreciate that.
VICKY: I promise I will.
EDWARD: Thank you.
BEHAR: What`s the extra thing that happened that you haven`t told us? I would like to know what it is.
VICKY: He actually blew up and he burned, so his car, that`s what, caused his death.
BEHAR: Maybe that`s what you`re feeling, something like that.
EDWARD: No, it`s not.
BEHAR: A gunshot, something like that.
EDWARD: Somebody crossed themselves over with a gunshot to the head. I`m positive.
BEHAR: OK. Thank you, Vicky. We will take a break and when we come back, we`ll have another couple of readings for you.
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BEHAR: I`m back with Psychic Medium John Edward and we`re joined by Trish, one of the crew members here in HLN. He`s going to be reading Trish.
EDWARD: Apparently.
BEHAR: Yes. Before we do that, I have to ask you, you do also not predictions, what do you call them, projections?
EDWARD: Projection. Like if I`m doing a reading for somebody, sometime their family is on the other side and we will talk about what`s coming up on the line of probability. And say like, here what`s happening now if you`re might be coming --
BEHAR: I thought you were going to tell us about "Dancing with the Stars."
EDWARD: No. I think you should do it, though.
BEHAR: That`s not really the question.
EDWARD: I know but I think you should do it.
BEHAR: really? I think you should do it.
EDWARD: I can`t do it. I have to teach.
BEHAR: I`m too busy, too. OK.
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BEHAR: Anyway, all right. Did you predict Kim Kardashian would get a divorce so quickly after a month and a half of getting married?
EDWARD: its break institution for me right here.
OK. BEHAR: Trish, go.
Hi. How are you?
EDWARD: This is a lot of pressure. Here`s what I`m going to tell you. I will not going to look at her. I am going to say that before she even came out here, I was getting a father figure from the past. So, I have a father figure who would like to be acknowledged. I will not go on the Record that I think the gentleman standing over here has the person who passed from the --
BEHAR: Who? Bobby?
EDWARD: This gentleman over here.
BEHAR: Bobby? Come in this frame so we can see who you are.
EDWARD: You have the gunshot, correct? Person who crossed over?
BEHAR: You knew someone that got shot.
EDWARD: Who has not blood related, connected to your family though knew your mother and its birthday in August. We talked about that off- camera. I`m not crazy.
BEHAR: OK. So, what`s handed the gunshot --
EDWARD: The only thing I was wrong it wasn`t to the head to the chest, correct? I only take credit for what they show me. Is Joseph connected to you? Where`s the J or G name connected to you.
I`m not supposed to look at you.
BEHAR: You can a little bit.
EDWARD: Where`s the J or G name connected to you, either living or passed?
TRICIA DITROIA, CNN EMPLOYEE: J or G?
EDWARD: Like Joe. I think there`s a J or G in the past that had lung cancer.
BEHAR: Somebody have lung cancer?
DITROIA: I have a lot of cancer, so --
EDWARD: Did one of them affect the lung?
DITROIA: They did.
EDWARD: Is your dad passed?
DITROIA: Yes.
EDWARD: Is there a connection to the month of April or 4th of the month, either birthday or anniversary?
DITROIA: Yes.
EDWARD: And did somebody marry after your dad passed? If not, there`s a wedding or anniversary in some way, this would be a projection of what they would want to talk about.
DITROIA: OK.
EDWARD: And did somebody marry after dad passed? If not, there`s a wedding or an anniversary in some way, this should be projection of what they would want to talk about.
BEHAR: Who, the dead person?
EDWARD: Yes, the dead person.
BEHAR: We are talking about a dead person.
EDWARD: We are talking about a person that`s energy. To classify them dead is as though they`re not alive but in the energy sense. I will talk about a male contemporary there a brother figure and acknowledging this person I think passed by their own birthday or passed by something normally celebrated. I just don`t know if I`m with you. So, does that make sense with you as well? I kind of want go over there. Three people just went -- don`t come over here.
BEHAR: What does he have right so far?
DITROIA: There is a J name that has recently passed from lung cancer.
BEHAR: Oh.
DITROIA: I don`t know the month of April.
EDWARD: Fourth month April or 4th of the month.
DITROIA: It`s my birthday is April 1st.
EDWARD: OK.
DITROIA: But there is other -- I don`t want to like give it away. I want you to give it to me.
BEHAR: We`re out of time, so give it away.
DITROIA: And I have -- I am getting married.
BEHAR: She`s getting married. Did you say that?
EDWARD: Yes.
BEHAR: You talk so fast, didn`t hear you say that. Very good, John.
Thank you, Tricia, for doing this and, John, thank you. We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain went on Fox News to address allegation that he sexually harassed two women -
* BEHAR: Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain went on FOX News to address allegations that he sexually harassed two women while he was head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s. Watch.
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HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have never sexually harassed anyone, let`s say that. Secondly, I`ve never sexually harassed anyone and, yes, I was falsely accused while I was at the National Restaurant Association, and I say falsely, because it turned out, after the investigation, to be baseless.
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BEHAR: OK. Let`s find out more about this from Ken Vogel, chief investigative reporter for Politico, who broke the story.
OK. Ken, how did this information come to your attention?
KEN VOGEL, CHIEF INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, POLITICO: Well, we got it from a source, Joy, who tipped us off to the broad contours of the story, we subsequently talked to dozens of people, board members and former board members of the National Restaurant Association, former staffers, people who knew the women who made these allegations, and corroborated all of the details, verified them to the point where we felt comfortable publishing them regardless from where we got the original tip
BEHAR: OK. Now I`m curious about a couple of things, like, was it two separate women who complained on two separate occasions? In other words, they didn`t get together and make the complaint?
VOGEL: That`s right. Our understanding is it was at least two separate women who complained separately to various folks at the National Restaurant Association. We reported in one case that a board member got involved, was told about the complaint, went and asked one of the women about the complaint, and was told that Herman Cain had invited the woman up to his hotel room.
And we are going to report here shortly, and in fact, he, once in the hotel room, made a sexually explicit suggestion to her. This woman was very uncomfortable, she felt as if her job was at risk if she didn`t comply. She subsequently told the board member that she was angry and frustrated about it.
This is one of the women who, we understand, reached a settlement with the National Restaurant Association, a five figure settlement that basically ended her employment and barred her from publicly discussing any details of the allegation.
BEHAR: That`s interesting. So what does the association who conducted the investigation, what exactly did they find in the investigation?
VOGEL: Well, we`re not hearing a whole lot about the investigation. In fact, you heard Herman Cain say that there was a thorough investigation. That`s not really consistent with our understanding. If there was an investigation, it was extremely closely held. He said in the clip that it was -- an investigation was conducted by the general counsel and the head of human resources of the National Restaurant Association.
We actually talked to the head of human resources at the time for the National Restaurant Association. She said this is the absolute first that she has heard of it. So if there was an investigation, it was very, very closely held and did not extend to either the head of human resources or some of the key members of the board of directors.
BEHAR: OK. Now, you know, because he claims he`s innocent. But I`m think if he`s completely innocent, then why would these women have to leave the company? Why not just stay if it was completely a false accusation?
VOGEL: Right. And why would they have these settlements not to talk about it if it was -- if there was nothing to talk about, why pay them not to talk about it?
BEHAR: OK. He also claims -- well, we`ll talk about this in a minute, but he also claims it`s like the liberals who are out to get him. But, you know, I think Anthony Weiner was not attacked by conservatives as much as the liberal themselves.
So thank you very much, Ken, and keep on the story. It`s a very interesting one and an important story.
VOGEL: I agree. Thank you, Joy.
BEHAR: OK, Ken.
With me now to talk about this and other pop culture stories in the news are Bruce Campbell, actor from "Burn Notice" and "The Evil Dead" trilogy; Judy Gold, comedian and star of "The Judy Show: My Life as a Sitcom"; and Joe Levy, editor-in-chief of Maxim magazine.
OK. Guys, so what do you think? I mean, we can`t assume that -- anything yet 100 percent, because it`s still an allegation. But it doesn`t look good for Herman Cain.
JOE LEVY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, MAXIM: Well, you know, with Clinton, the thing turned on "it depends on what your definition of `is` is." And here, I think it depends on what your definition of "extra cheese" is?
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: You mean because of the pizzas?
JUDY GOLD, COMEDIAN, ACTOR, "THE JUDY SHOW": Right. Yes.
LEVY: Yes, that`s what I meant.
BEHAR: Nice stretch.
GOLD: He did say to her, would you like to see my pepperoni?
(LAUGHTER)
GOLD: All right. Mine was better. Anyway, but isn`t this kind of behavior sort of required if you`re going to become a politician?
BRUCE CAMPBELL, ACTOR, "BURN NOTICE": It seems like the shoe is going to drop at some point for somebody, especially if you`re a male candidate. And everybody tries to get a pop that`s a step up from the others. So he got it now.
BEHAR: He got it.
CAMPBELL: So if it`s true, he`s doomed, because sexual boo-boos, you`re out. If this was France, 50-50.
GOLD: And they paid them off. And I don`t know if you heard, the name of the settlement was the "69 Plan." So.
BEHAR: All right. Anyway, Joe.
LEVY: Well, the Politico is very, very careful to point out, and Ken was just careful to point out, it`s at least two women. And Cain himself admits that there is an allegation that he says was successfully defended and the woman ended up paying his legal fees.
So there may be -- the political story has that as well, there may be a third allegation out there that we don`t know yet that they haven`t confirmed. But we`re talking about at least two. And that`s what makes it so, shall we say, suspicious.
BEHAR: Well, look at the restaurant association settled the claims and Cain claims he was unaware of that. I don`t believe that. Do you believe that?
LEVY: Well, he`s unaware of his own policy regarding abortion, so I don`t think that this is that much of a stretch.
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BEHAR: I mean, he has got those smoking ads out and the crazy Western ads.
LEVY: Well, not only that, did you see the press conference where he ends by singing, spiritual style, I`m innocent? I mean, he has a great basso profondo voice. What the hell is he doing singing at a press conference?
CAMPBELL: And what the hell was that -- what was the ad with the smoking guy? That was one of the stupidest -- let me get a guy who needs to take a nap and talk to us. And then he`s.
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BEHAR: And then takes a drag.
GOLD: And then he takes a drag on.
CAMPBELL: But it seemed like it was a joint, it was this crappy rolled-up cigarette. I`m like, dude, that`s the best you`ve got?
BEHAR: And then the look, I mean, if you watch it, the look that Herman gives at the end, this kind of like.
CAMPBELL: Hey, hey, baby.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: You know what I`m saying? OK. Moving on, after just 72 days of marriage, Kim Kardashian has filed for divorce today from Kris Humphries, citing irreconcilable differences. You know, 72 days, "The Macarena" lasted longer than that, did you know that? It`s a fact, I saw it today online.
Joe, they have been swirling, these rumors, all of sudden, what do you think?
LEVY: I don`t know why it`s happening today, on Halloween. I do not know. Maybe we passed the legal limit of when they have to give the gifts back. But they were married for, I did the math, 1,728 hours. That`s how many hours they were married. And that`s also how much programming the E! Network got out of the whole thing, so.
CAMPBELL: But can I say something? A happy marriage is nothing to a reality show. A disaster of a marriage is everything.
BEHAR: That`s true.
CAMPBELL: So I think they had a meeting and went, what do you think, about three or four days, and then let`s pull the plug on this?
GOLD: You know, this is what pisses me off about marriage. I don`t know if you know, I`m gay. But, you know, gays.
LEVY: Wow, that really ruins my plans for later.
GOLD: Yes.
(LAUGHTER)
GOLD: You know, we cannot legally -- the federal government will never recognize a homosexual marriage.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: What do you mean, never? Never say never.
GOLD: Well, doesn`t now.
BEHAR: It`s on its way.
GOLD: But even if you`re married in a state that approves -- but these are -- they all talk about the sanctity of marriage.
BEHAR: I know.
GOLD: And this, 72 days and they`re fighting over where they`re going to live? Like don`t you discuss that before you`re getting married?
BEHAR: He wanted her to, allegedly, supposedly.
GOLD: In Minnesota.
BEHAR: . to live in Minnesota. Why would Kim Kardashian ever live in Minnesota? I mean, he`s delusional, this guy.
GOLD Right.
CAMPBELL: I think the whole thing is delusional. It`s a parade.
GOLD: And it was $10 million, that wedding, $10 million..
LEVY: Right, and the question is, are people finally going to have enough of being manipulated in this way? Everybody knew that this was happening for the cameras. Maybe they were in love. But everybody knew this was happening for the cameras. They were milking it for everything that it was -- that they could. All the money they could, all the programming dollars, the special. I mean...
BEHAR: Yes, so it was never love.
LEVY: I can`t say never love, but it sure seems that way now.
BEHAR: He is saying -- Kris is telling TMZ that it`s Kim`s idea. So it makes her look like the bad guy. And what about the ring? She has got a $2 million 20-karat engagement ring, should she give it back?
GOLD: Yes, give it back. Give it to me.
BEHAR: She should give it back. OK.
CAMPBELL: Give it back to the producers who bought it for her in the first place.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: OK. All right. Here`s another story. George Clooney`s Italian ex-girlfriend, Elisabetta Canalis, says in a new book that she and Clooney had more of father-daughter relationship than a romantic bond. Who is your daddy?
(LAUGHTER)
GOLD: Which father-daughter would that be like, John and Mackenzie Phillips?
BEHAR: Oh, no! Woody and Soon Yi.
GOLD: Exactly.
BEHAR: No. More like, you know, it`s a hot relationship but it`s based on a parental thing, which those type of things are only hot for about a month.
LEVY: That`s what you took out of that, really?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: What did you take out of it?
LEVY: I took out of it something like maybe there was something arranged about this relationship?
BEHAR: No.
LEVY: Maybe it was.
(CROSSTALK)
LEVY: . very hot to me. It didn`t sound -- no one has ever understood my feminine side better, we had a father-daughter relationship, that`s what she said.
BEHAR: What is she, a transvestite?
LEVY: I don`t know.
BEHAR: Why would she say that? She is a woman, isn`t she?
GOLD: And I heard after sex, he would help her with her homework.
(LAUGHTER)
(CROSSTALK)
CAMPBELL: Was anyone really expecting them to have a normal relationship with a movie star?
BEHAR: Well, he has a shelf life with women about two years. And now she`s gone and now he`s onto the next one, who also a contestant with "Dancing with the Stars." Why does George like women who go on "Dancing with the Stars"?
CAMPBELL: Maybe he likes that show.
LEVY: It`s the Home Shopping Network now.
CAMPBELL: Maybe he wants them to dance.
BEHAR: You know who the next girlfriend could be, Cloris Leachman.
(LAUGHTER)
GOLD: Or Nancy Grace.
BEHAR: She was on -- Nancy is next. All right. We`re out of time. Thank you guys, very much. Happy Halloween.
And you can catch Bruce Campbell in the new season of "Burn Notice," premiering Thursday on USA.
By the way, I`ll get more dirt on the Kim Kardashian divorce when I speak to Kris Jenner on Thursday, her mother. Her mother. Thank you. Coming here.
ANNOUNCER: Next on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, the legendary Elvira is here for some Halloween horrors.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: For most people, Halloween is a day of fun, costumes, and candy. But not for Elvira, who has to work like a dog every October 31st. Joining me, "The Mistress of the Dark," Elvira.
Welcome to the show, Elvira.
ELVIRA, THE MISTRESS OF THE DARK: Hi, Joy.
BEHAR: You only have one name, like Cher and Madonna.
ELVIRA: I know, it`s fabulous. A one-name wonder.
BEHAR: Yes. Before we go any further, I have to ask you, because let`s get it out of the way, are those real?
(LAUGHTER)
ELVIRA: That`s usually the pick-up line guys use with me, which doesn`t work.
BEHAR: I know. But I`m a curious woman.
ELVIRA: You`re talking about my nails, of course.
BEHAR: Oh, those are gels, right?
ELVIRA: Yes, they are -- well, they`re acrylic, OK. But, yes, the rest of me is real.
BEHAR: The boobs are real.
ELVIRA: Yes, they`re "boink, boink."
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: That`s impressive.
ELVIRA: I`ve had them since I was like 14.
BEHAR: Really?
ELVIRA: Well, actually, earlier my mom thought I was twins when I was born.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: So this is a big time for you, Halloween, this is your day, Elvira.
ELVIRA: My month.
BEHAR: This is your month.
ELVIRA: Oh yes. I`ve been working every day for a month. You know, of course, Halloween is my favorite holiday, but I`m starting to really like November 1st, too.
BEHAR: Why, what is that? The day after, so you can relax.
ELVIRA: So I can relax.
BEHAR: So what do you do the day after, you just take everything off and.
ELVIRA: Oh yes, I just relax and go to a spa. Get a facial. I get a massage. You know, I lay down for the first time in a month.
BEHAR: And you become somebody else?
ELVIRA: No, I stay this way, I stay this way. I start working like the next day on other -- you know, licensing, merchandising, and, you know, making money.
BEHAR: It`s interesting, you have created this character all by yourself.
ELVIRA: I have. I had a little help from friends, I must say. But.
BEHAR: Weren`t you in that -- or, not you, but your alter ego, Cassandra, wasn`t she in a Fellini movie once?
ELVIRA: She was. She has done more things than -- I mean, I don`t know, she makes my life look boring. But, yes, she has done all sorts of things.
BEHAR: Like -- what was it like to be in a Fellini movie? Did she tell you?
ELVIRA: She tells me stuff all the time. She`s like -- I don`t know, I guess for her, it was exciting. For some people, it may be. I don`t know. But, yes, it was exciting for her. But, you know, it was a big deal. I mean, Fellini, I love Fellini, that`s for sure. My life is like a Fellini movie.
BEHAR: It is. And you`re perfect for a Fellini movie -- or she is, rather.
ELVIRA: Yes.
BEHAR: Do you go trick or treating? Like tonight, would you go knocking on doors?
ELVIRA: Well, yes, I go knocking on doors looking for treats. You know, I hope somebody has -- the things that I really like in my trick or treat bag, you know, like keys to a Mercedes, you know, good treats, the things I really, you know, appreciate.
BEHAR: Do you have a man?
ELVIRA: Several of them, whenever I can.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: You are a vampire, am I right?
ELVIRA: No, you know, I think I`m kind of a, I don`t know, cross between a witch, vampire. I don`t know, I always think if Vincent Price RuPaul had a child, it would be me.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: It would be you.
ELVIRA: Yes.
BEHAR: OK. But my favorite holiday is Christmas. Halloween is fine but it`s too much work to put on these outfits.
ELVIRA: Yes. I know. I`d like to move into other holidays, you know? I wish I could do something. I was thinking -- I just heard Purim, that if you`re an Orthodox Jew, you -- actually they go door-to-door and dress in costumes. Is that true?
BEHAR: Really?
ELVIRA: Yes.
BEHAR: I don`t know. I don`t know.
ELVIRA: I was thinking maybe I could get in on that holiday somehow. I don`t know. That would be more work.
BEHAR: That would be a bonanza for you. Do you know how much you would make going door-to-door during the entire season?
ELVIRA: And I would do something like a new licensed product, like a "bra-mulke," I thought about that.
BEHAR: A "bra-mulke"?
ELVIRA: A "bra-mulke." It would be.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: That would be good.
ELVIRA: OK. Never mind.
BEHAR: So when you go out on a date, Elvira, what kind of guy do you go out with? I mean, are they interested in getting their neck sucked?
ELVIRA: Well, I`m not even going to go there. But I do like guys with like a big bulge in their pants, I have to say. Yes, where they keep their wallet, hello.
(LAUGHTER)
ELVIRA: Yes, they have got to have some money, you know what I`m saying? I`m tired -- I`m done with the broke hot guys.
BEHAR: What was the longest relationship you`ve ever had with a man?
ELVIRA: I`d say two days.
BEHAR: Two days.
ELVIRA: I`m almost like what`s her name that just dumped the husband.
BEHAR: Kardashian.
ELVIRA: Yes, Kardashian.
BEHAR: She kind of -- in a way, I mean, she`s not really as, how shall I put this? As much of a character as you are, but she has.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Doesn`t she have a little bit of Elvira, Kim Kardashian? Just a little touch. She has got the boobs going on, and the dark hair, you know?
ELVIRA: A lot of people, her.
BEHAR: And I haven`t seen your butt yet, but when you leave, I`ll check it out.
ELVIRA: Oh, it`s fabulous.
(LAUGHTER)
ELVIRA: It`s pretty fantastic.
BEHAR: Now what do you think of a person who got married like a hundred and -- how many days was it?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seventy-two.
BEHAR: A hundred and seventy-two days, she was married. And she had the gigantic wedding that cost a million bucks or something.
ELVIRA: Well, first of all, I think she`s an idiot for getting married at all. Why would you do that? But then that is better than staying married for 50 years, I suppose.
BEHAR: Yes, I guess so. That`s one very nice way to look at it, i guess.
(LAUGHTER)
ELVIRA: In my book it is.
BEHAR: Yes. But, I mean, what do you have against marriage?
ELVIRA: You know, well, the whole thing, you have to be with somebody more than a day.
BEHAR: No, you don`t.
ELVIRA: Yes.
BEHAR: Well, you don`t have to start.
ELVIRA: Not if you`re Kim Kardashian.
BEHAR: Well, you don`t have to spend that much time with them in a day.
ELVIRA: No. I like to, you know, play the field, keep my, you know, whatever going out there. Life is short, not for me, of course, but for the rest of you.
BEHAR: You`ll never die, is that the thing?
ELVIRA: Exactly.
BEHAR: You will always be alive looking gorgeous like you do, and that`s it?
ELVIRA: Thank you. I do. I think so. I`m hoping so, anyway.
BEHAR: Well, wouldn`t -- do you think if everybody never died, if they always stayed alive forever, it would be a good world? We already have too many people in the world. Don`t you think some of them should just drop?
ELVIRA: Yes. I think they should all die except for me.
BEHAR: Except for you?
ELVIRA: Yes.
BEHAR: That`s very sweet.
ELVIRA: Thank you.
BEHAR: We`ll have more with Elvira in just a minute. Stay right there.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with the queen of Halloween, Elvira.
Elvira, I understand that your alter ego, Cassandra, also dated Elvis Presley at one point.
ELVIRA: Yes, him, and everybody else. I don`t want to say she`s a tramp, but.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: But, I mean, how was Elvis? Did she share the experience with you?
ELVIRA: Oh yes. She did. You know, she was at the time the youngest show girl in Las Vegas. It`s in the "Guinness Book of World Records," by the way. And if it wasn`t for Elvis giving her advice, among other things, she would still, you know, be in Vegas. She`d probably be the oldest show girl in Vegas right now.
BEHAR: You know, she`s your age, Cassandra.
ELVIRA: Well, a little bit older than me.
BEHAR: Although you`re ageless because you`re not going to die.
ELVIRA: That`s true.
BEHAR: But I would think that that was -- he died many years ago.
ELVIRA: Yes, well, that was actually in 1969. How do you like that?
BEHAR: Well, how old was Cassandra, 4?
ELVIRA: Seventeen.
BEHAR: She was 17.
ELVIRA: She was.
BEHAR: Oh, yes, he liked them young.
ELVIRA: Yes, he did, I know.
BEHAR: And, you know, what`s interesting, his wife.
ELVIRA: Priscilla.
BEHAR: Priscilla has your look. She had it.
ELVIRA: She did. She had the hair style. You know, I kind of copied her a little bit. Priscilla and The Ronettes all kind of rolled into one.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Yes. That`s it. So you copied her. And you know, it`s funny, because Snooki is copying yours a little bit. Because she has that thing, the "doop" (ph) on top of the head there.
ELVIRA: I know. I know. Snooki is copying my hair and Lady Gaga is copying my outfit. Have you seen her wearing my outfit lately?
BEHAR: Who? Lady Gaga?
ELVIRA: Yes, or Ga, as I like to call her.
BEHAR: Lady Gaga does homages. She has done. She was doing the mermaid thing Bette Midler was doing. And she`s doing now Elvira. These are homages.
ELVIRA: That`s true.
BEHAR: She does a little Madonna, I think.
ELVIRA: Yes. I have to say, you know, it was flattering for me, you know, I mean, if she happens to be out there, I hope she stays away from the front of my car. But just saying.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: But she says, "I was born this way." Were you born that way?
ELVIRA: Yes, I was born this way. I just popped out, hot.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: And does it bother you that maybe Snooki is stealing your look?
ELVIRA: Well, Snooki -- I don`t know, Snooki can try hard to steal my look. She needs to grow about three feet, first of all. She looks more like one of the munchkins I think from "Wizard of Oz."
BEHAR: Why do you suppose vampires are so popular right now?
ELVIRA: I don`t know. You know, vampires have always been really hot, really sexy. I don`t think they`ve ever gone away. I mean, since I`ve been born, you know, way back in the ancient times, vampires were hot even then.
I mean, Anne Rice had "Interview with the Vampire," and, of course, Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise did the movie later. But I think every generation there are more vampires coming along and it`s just always there.
BEHAR: I`ve heard they`re kind of losing their mojo, though, because they`re a little bit sissified, if you get my drift.
ELVIRA: Oh yes, hello, sparkling.
BEHAR: They just give you a little hickey now. They don`t even suck your neck anymore. And you have to two to the other -- the more dead, the dead ones, what are they called?
ELVIRA: The zombies.
BEHAR: Zombies.
ELVIRA: Exactly.
BEHAR: I was one this morning.
(LAUGHTER)
ELVIRA: Yes.
BEHAR: It slipped my mind.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Anyway, thank you, Elvira. Happy Halloween.
ELVIRA: Thank you, Joy. Happy Halloween to you.
BEHAR: Lovely to have you. And thank you all for watching.
Good night, everybody. Have a great night.
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