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Keeping up with Kris Jenner; Herman Cain`s Campaign; Interview With Matthew Broderick
Aired November 03, 2011 - 22:00 ET
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ANNOUNCER: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Kim Kardashian`s mother, Kris Jenner, opens up about Kim`s failed marriage.
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KRIS JENNER, MOTHER OF KIM KARDASHIAN: She has a lot of guilt because she feels like she disappointed a lot of people.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then Matthew Broderick is here and he`ll tell Joy what it`s like being in a celebrity marriage that actually works.
Plus a third woman claims she was sexually harassed by Herman Cain. So is the Cain candidacy toast?
That and more starting right now.
JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: As the matriarch of the Kardashian clan, Kris Jenner is mom and manager to Kim, Kourtney, Khloe, Kendall and Kylie and Rob -- what they ran out of K names. She also is the executive producer and star of their hit E! show, "Keeping up with the Kardashians". Let`s take a look at that.
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KIM KARDASHIAN, REALITY STAR: My mom is like all business all the time when we`re hanging out with her, and that`s not how it should be, and it didn`t used to be like that.
JENNER: Awesome.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Awesome.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Awesome.
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JENNER: That was a business call.
I`m working hard right now, so I can set everybody up for the rest of their lives. My job is to take care of their future.
Ok. Focus.
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BEHAR: Her new book, "Kris Jenner and all things Kardashian" details how she went from running a household to running an empire.
With me now is the very lovely Miss Kris Jenner -- I should say Mrs.
JENNER: Yes, I`m a Mrs.
BEHAR: There was a rumor you were going to become Kris Kardashian. We asked your daughters about it and they were like, "Oh, yes. She`d love that."
JENNER: Yes. Well, I thought about it for a minute. Khloe said, "You know, you`re such a fame whore." I said, "You`re right. I`ll keep Jenner."
BEHAR: I love Khloe.
JENNER: Isn`t she great. She loves you.
BEHAR: Yes. We`re like -- we`re very compatible.
JENNER: Kindred spirits.
BEHAR: Yes, I know.
JENNER: The two of you.
I had fun with you this morning, by the way, or yesterday morning. When we did "The View".
BEHAR: Yes yesterday morning. We had fun.
JENNER: Yes. I want to clear something up with you. And apologize. Where is my gift for Miss Joy? You mentioned you need your blender back, and I promised you, I would double it. So here are your two blenders.
BEHAR: Well, thank you very much.
JENNER: I want you to have a blast with these.
BEHAR: Well, you know, you send a wedding gift, 72 days later it`s over. You want the blender back. Can I say it?
JENNER: That`s right. So here you go. And I upped you one, ok?
BEHAR: I know. I`ll re-gift this one.
JENNER: Perfect.
BEHAR: Can you take this please.
Thank you very much, Kris. That`s so thoughtful of you.
JENNER: Perfect. No worries, just wanted you to be happy, Joy. That`s all I care about.
BEHAR: I am. Listen, you know. What`s her name, Kim --
JENNER: Yes.
BEHAR: I get them all mixed up.
JENNER: I know. Me too. How do you think I feel?
BEHAR: But the girl`s been having a terrible week. The whole family -- in a way it`s not a terrible week, look at all the publicity you`re getting.
JENNER: You know what; what`s important to me is that Kim`s ok, and that she`s happy.
BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: And that she`s going to get through this. And as I told her and I said to you the other, you know, she`s not the first person to go through a divorce, she`s not going to be the last. Yes, this is a horrible time. She had a very difficult decision to make --
BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: And it`s for me to stand by her. Who am I to judge her or tell her what she should and shouldn`t do?
BEHAR: Right.
JENNER: This is what she felt was necessary right now, and I just want her to be ok, you know.
BEHAR: When she was dating the guy, like they dated only a few months, right? Did you say to her, listen, Kim you need more than four months or whatever before you get to know somebody and marry them. Did you say anything like that to her?
JENNER: Well, I would have, if I hadn`t met and married Bruce Jenner in five months.
BEHAR: So the apple doesn`t fall far from the tree?
JENNER: Exactly. I mean I am here to tell you that was 21 years ago. You know 20-and-a-half years ago and we`ve been married for 20 years. I have an amazing relationship and marriage. And I think Bruce and I found a way to make marriage work.
I wasn`t as lucky the first time, I wasn`t as mature. I didn`t understand myself, you know. I made stupid decisions. But Khloe met Lamar and 30 days later they were married. She got married; and nine days she gave me to plan a wedding.
I waited for one of my girls to get married for a very long time. And then one of them says ok, you have nine days. I`m like "Thanks a lot".
BEHAR: So it`s like it`s a tradition in the family.
JENNER: It must run in the family. You know, it never dawned on me that if she felt the way she felt, and she was telling me this was the guy, it wasn`t for me to second guess her because I had done the same thing.
BEHAR: But you know, 72 days, did Kim give it a shot? Did she try to save it? Did she do anything to try to keep it going?
JENNER: I don`t know about that. She`s in Australia. This has happened so fast. She`ll be home in a couple of days and we can get into that.
BEHAR: She`s coming back?
JENNER: Yes. It`s shocking that she is but she`s a very brave girl.
BEHAR: Because I thought, you know, not that I would be so cynical but I thought, you know, get out of town before -- while this is all going on. It seems a little bit convenient that she`s in Australia right now.
JENNER: Doesn`t it? Honestly, and honest to God, she had these things planned and these obligations months and months -- probably 6 to 8 months ago. You know this was all planned, it`s part of her line of stuff. And she didn`t want to disappoint anybody else.
She has a lot of guilt, because she feels like she disappointed a lot of people. And she didn`t want to keep going on -- she just wants to make, you know, everybody happy. And that`s part of Kim`s problem is she has such a big heart.
BEHAR: Yes. Well, you know, Kris I could see people chatting about this. They`re suspicious, they think it`s a big scam. They don`t buy it. They don`t believe it. It`s a reality show. Everybody`s buzzing about it.
What I don`t really get is how people are taking this so personally. It`s so -- it`s like they betrayed -- I don`t get that exactly. It`s not like you know these people personally.
JENNER: Well, you know, Kim has a very special relationship with her fans. She`s on Twitter and her blog. She really is passionate about them. And they have invested a great deal of time and energy. They have started -- they signed up -- on this train with us from day one. And they have gone all the way through these relationships and the kids growing up.
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JENNER: Kendall and Kylie grew up on the show.
BEHAR: So they take it very personally.
JENNER: Yes.
BEHAR: Yes, I understand.
JENNER: And we`ve shown them the birth of my grandbaby, and we`ve shown them the things that have happened in our lives and weddings and what-not. They believed in Kim and this love that she had. She`s a hopeless romantic, she wears her heart on her sleeve.
And suddenly this, none of us really saw it coming. And so she feels like she owes them not only an apology for, you know, but she wants to be honest.
BEHAR: Do you as a mother feel -- is it hard for you to hear negative things about your daughter? Does it break your heart?
JENNER: Well, of course it breaks your heart. It depends on what you`re hearing. But, you know, it`s very devastating first of all to see your child go through something like this. This isn`t easy for Kim. It`s not like she just woke up and said, guess what, this is going to happen today. This was very difficult. And she knew she was going to create some turmoil and some unhappiness and a lot of people were going to be disappointed.
BEHAR: So am I to understand that she had no clue this marriage was going to end very quickly?
JENNER: That is for -- that`s a Kim thing.
BEHAR: You don`t know?
JENNER: I don`t know. I have to be honest. I don`t know everything that`s inside Kim`s head.
BEHAR: But you have a clue to that, if you even had a glimmer of an idea I`m not sure. Why go through this big, big, extravaganza, expensive wedding. Everybody`s watching, everybody`s invested in it. I mean --
JENNER: Yes, I know. I know.
BEHAR: You know, the gays are mad. The gay community is angry.
JENNER: Oh, she loves the gay community.
BEHAR: Well, they`re not angry with Kim, exactly. But their angry with the idea that here`s a heterosexual marriage that went for -- in 72 days or whatever the word is, you know.
JENNER: Right. Yes.
BEHAR: And they can`t get married in most states.
JENNER: And that`s wrong. But Kim she supports that whole marriage - - she wants everybody to be happy. And everybody to have equal rights and everybody to get married if they want to.
She wants to be married and have babies and raise a family and have the ideal all-American dream life. That`s what she wants. So the fact that it didn`t work out I`m sure is devastating for her.
BEHAR: So did she think this would be it? She thought this would be it with this guy?
JENNER: Yes. I mean, she married for love, and that`s what she said in her statement. You know, I`m going also by what she said and what she released. And she feels like she doesn`t want to be in this position at all.
But I give her a lot of credit for -- it`s a brave thing to do, when you know there are going to be people that don`t understand your decision.
BEHAR: Do you feel now that -- since this whole thing came down, that maybe you don`t want to keep putting put your lives on TV as much?
JENNER: I don`t feel that way at all, actually.
BEHAR: No?
JENNER: No. I feel like this is something that`s clearly an isolated incident. I don`t think that this happens to everybody. I feel like we`ve been given a gift. And what we do, and the jobs that we have, the shows that we do, I feel like I`m so blessed, and I`m very grateful for everything that we`ve been given. And the way that our show has been received in 150 different countries around the world.
We are so happy working together as a family. I get to get up every single day and work with all my kids.
BEHAR: Yes, that`s nice.
JENNER: It doesn`t get any better than that for me.
BEHAR: And especially if you get along with them.
JENNER: Yes, yes. Some of them.
BEHAR: Let me clear up something -- when we come back, I want to clear up something. Ok. We`ll have much more with Kris Jenner, don`t go anywhere.
Thank you for those blenders.
JENNER: My pleasure.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still to come, what`s it like to live a marriage in the public eye? Joy talks with Matthew Broderick who`s been married to Sarah Jessica Parker for 14 years and counting.
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BEHAR: I`m back with the head of the Kardashian empire, Kris Jenner.
You know one more question about the wedding, and then I`ll move on to something else. But there`s been a lot of talk about how much money this wedding cost. And you said on "The View" yesterday that you guys didn`t make any money on it.
JENNER: Well, she didn`t profit from that wedding.
BEHAR: She didn`t profit but then why would you do it? Why do it, you`re a businesswoman.
JENNER: Well, no she`s going to get married.
BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: We shared it with -- you know we wanted our Network -- who was very generous to us by the way and helped us do that.
BEHAR: Right.
JENNER: We were asked, will you put it on the show? And of course. So she was going to get married anyway. She`s going to -- you know they`re going to spend money on a wedding one way or another, it doesn`t matter if it`s televised or not.
But the point was that she did receive some money for certain things and that money was put toward the cost of a wedding, and then she then added more money into that. So she didn`t walk away with anything in her pocketbook you know per se. And I think that because all of those reports that were out there from day one, you know, people were like pulling numbers out of the air. I don`t know where some of those figures came from.
And the bottom line is, they didn`t profit from it, and that -- you know, it was on the front page of a New York newspaper recently.
BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: And that`s just really unfair to print things when people in the general public thinks it it`s in a magazine, or it`s on the cover of something it`s absolutely the truth. And that`s just not accurate.
BEHAR: Don`t believe everything you read.
JENNER: Exactly.
BEHAR: President Obama recently said that he didn`t want his daughters to watch the Kardashian`s show. Does that feel bad, when you hear that?
JENNER: Well, I think what it was, was Michelle and the girls were watching the show in the White House and he said, you know he`s not sure that`s his favorite programming that they should be watching.
BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: My take on it, is they`re watching the Kardashians in the White House. So that was kind of a compliment, you know I thought, wow. Go girls.
BEHAR: That`s great, it`s all the way you frame things.
JENNER: Well you know and that -- and actually, my son was on Jay Leno recently. And he reiterated the same thing. And Jay asked him, are the girls watching the show in the White House? And he said, you know, yes, they are. And he said, you know, have you seen it? And President Obama said no I haven`t.
BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: And Jay, would you recommend it? And Jay said, yes, it`s a good show, I`ve recommend it.
BEHAR: See.
JENNER: So it was really interesting how --
BEHAR: Everybody wins.
JENNER: Every -- yes, why not. The girls are watching the show, so - -
BEHAR: Ok now in the book, you also talk about your experience with O.J. Simpson and Nicole Simpson.
JENNER: Yes.
BEHAR: It`s really interesting, you were very close to Nicole over the years when you were married to Robert Kardashian.
JENNER: I was -- very close family friends.
BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: The day I met Robert, I basically met O.J. because that was his best friend and they were all buddies.
BEHAR: They were buddies. But just to cut to the chase of what happened that day, that horrible day when Nicole was killed. She called you that day?
JENNER: She called me the day -- well, we talked every day.
BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: Especially that week, because we had a friend who was in rehab that we were checking in on constantly. And she called me and said, I want to talk to you, can you meet me and I couldn`t so we scheduled it for the next day.
BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: Which is unfortunately the day she died.
BEHAR: What do you think that -- what do you think -- she said she wanted to show you something? What did she want to show you pictures of --
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JENNER: I think she wanted to show me what was in her safety deposit box.
BEHAR: Oh.
JENNER: So you`ll read about that in the book as I go into detail about what she intended on telling me and talking about because I got that from --
BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: -- somebody else who told what she wanted to talk about. And it`s just you know, I think anybody in that -- in Nicole`s world at that time, and who was friends with Nicole, really felt responsible. You know that, you know you feel like, well, wow, I could have done something to prevent it.
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BEHAR: Do you think you could have done something?
JENNER: I feel like had she told me what was going on, maybe I could have helped her. Or you know, I`m a mom and I`m a caretaker.
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BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: And I feel like I can heal the world.
BEHAR: You didn`t see -- no clues there like did she say, he was hitting her or abusing her in any way?
JENNER: Not to me, not to me.
BEHAR: Did you see any signs of it, any bruises or anything like that?
JENNER: There were some times that you`ll read about, different occasions that now, you know in hindsight had made perfect sense. Like I was -- I was so confused about certain issues.
BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: And then it all was crystal clear when I figured out what was going on.
BEHAR: Hindsight of course.
JENNER: Yes and so that does make you know -- have a sense of sadness and guilt, because you didn`t see things that you should have seen.
BEHAR: Of course, Ron Goldman was an innocent bystander who just went over there to drop some sunglasses off and he got in the middle of it.
JENNER: So tragic.
BEHAR: It`s tragic, it could have -- it could have happened to you.
JENNER: Yes, anybody.
BEHAR: If you had gone over there?
JENNER: Yes. Yes.
BEHAR: Do you think O.J. killed her?
JENNER: That`s a complicated -- it`s not a yes or no for me. So that`s two.
BEHAR: Why not?
JENNER: Because it`s just too -- you`ll have to get into it, and really read exactly what was going on and what I felt. But I think I am very clear in the end about how I come to that conclusion. But for me, it`s just not a yes or a no.
BEHAR: Well, I remember when he was looking for the -- for the real killers.
JENNER: Yes.
It was -- It seems, you know, so -- so distant yet so yesterday for me sometimes. And you know I think that all of us feel like we, in hindsight --
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BEHAR: Yes.
JENNER: -- could have -- you know, you see it so clearly when something`s already happened. And when you look back on it, it was a lot of closure for me to write the book.
BEHAR: Well I guess it was -- it was hard for people to say something, because he was a big -- big star.
JENNER: Sure.
BEHAR: And probably -- they must have argued with each other a lot so it seemed like what they call a folie (ph) a deux, you know.
JENNER: Yes.
BEHAR: And maybe you didn`t know. I don`t know, I mean, it`s a hard one to call.
JENNER: Yes.
Well, I think what it says to me is you know pay attention to your girlfriends.
BEHAR: But you`re husband Robert --
JENNER: -- and see, you know keep an open eye. If somebody`s having problems maybe there`s a reason for that.
BEHAR: But Robert Kardashian defended him.
JENNER: Yes.
BEHAR: You know did that -- when he got a not guilty verdict did you freak out?
JENNER: I think everybody was stunned, you know, considering the evidence that they had.
BEHAR: Hello.
JENNER: And all of that. You know we all saw it unfold in front of our very eyes.
BEHAR: That`s right.
JENNER: And all of us, I mean to this day you`re just like, what happened?
I think that Robert did what he did as a friend. I actually share a letter in my book that Robert wrote me and my children the night before the trial and brought it over and it was the eve of the trial and he addressed it to me and my kids. And it was a very interesting explanation for why he was doing what he was doing.
BEHAR: Robert?
JENNER: Yes.
BEHAR: I mean, did you notice when you were hanging with them as a young couple; that he was livid, he was like raging, for instance? Any anger moments on O.J.?
JENNER: No, no.
BEHAR: You didn`t notice? So he kept it under wraps.
(CROSSTALK)
JENNER: He was charismatic and amazing and funny and you always wanted to be around him. He`s one of those magnetic personalities
BEHAR: It could be like a Jekyll and Hyde thing.
Ok, we`re going to have even more with Kris Jenner in just a minute.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still to come, a third woman has now come forward accusing Herman Cain of sexual harassment. Is the Cain candidacy doomed?
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BEHAR: I`m back with my new best friend Kris Jenner.
JENNER: Oh, yes, baby.
BEHAR: So Kris, first of all --
JENNER: Yes.
BEHAR: -- Lindsay Lohan. I have to ask your opinion on this because she`s headed back to jail again. Do you have any advice for her. They call her -- the momager (ph) -- is that how you call it. Her mother is her manager like you are of your girls?
JENNER: Yes. Yes she is.
BEHAR: Do you have any advice for her as a momager.
JENNER: Well, I think you know, Dina`s in a very difficult position. Sometimes we have these adult children, and you can`t always control everything that`s going on. And so, therefore, I think she gets blamed for some things that maybe she doesn`t have any control over. And I think that for me, I don`t want to sit in judgment of somebody else, because I`m not walking in her shoes.
But I definitely know on some level of when crazy things start to happen. You feel horrible for your children. And I know that Dina feels horrible for any one of her kids that are going through a really hard time.
So you just have to love your kids and make sure that they`re given all the support that you can possibly give.
BEHAR: She just posed for "Playboy" just like Kim did before, right. Didn`t Kim pose for "Playboy".
JENNER: Kim did pose for "Playboy".
BEHAR: And it helped her career. So maybe it will help Lindsay.
JENNER: I think it was -- for me, I wanted Kim to do it because it was iconic, and Marilyn Monroe had done it and all these famous actresses who did it very tastefully and gorgeous. So I`m excited to see Lindsay`s photos.
Lindsay, I watched the movie she did, "The Parent Trap" the other day, and I laughed until I cried and then I cried. She`s just a delicious little actress.
BEHAR: She is.
Ok. Let`s talk about your neck lift.
JENNER: Yes.
BEHAR: How`s that for a transition?
JENNER: Ok. That was pretty good. That was amazing. That`s why they pay you the big bucks.
BEHAR: Yes. Because you`re one of the only people that will talk about plastic surgery.
JENNER: Why not? I mean it`s not like it`s not obvious.
BEHAR: I do botox and stuff, and I always say it. I don`t --
JENNER: Yes.
BEHAR: All the comedians will tell you. (INAUDIBLE) will tell you. Joan Rivers will talk about it, but regular actresses do not.
So your neck is flawless.
JENNER: Thank you.
BEHAR: What is it that they do.
JENNER: What they do -- it`s still healing. So I`ve still got this little line but what they do is they do -- they cut a little muscle here which I didn`t even know they were going to do. My doctor is Garth Fisher who`s an amazing surgeon --
BEHAR: Garth Fisher, write that down.
JENNER: Garth Fisher in Beverly Hills. And they pull the neck up and kind of attach it back in here, so that you have this suddenly, a little bit more youthful appearance. Kim used to walk around and call me a turkey gobble-gobble. And it wasn`t Thanksgiving. You know what I`m saying?
BEHAR: Yes. But it`s better than a facelift because if you pull it up like this, you tend to look like the "Joker".
JENNER: Well, yes. No, he pulled it up, he`s a genius. He took his time. It was like a 10-hour surgery.
BEHAR: I hope so. He could slit your throat.
JENNER: Yes. Hello. Literally.
BEHAR: What I said was don`t touch my eyes. Don`t touch my nose. Don`t touch my mouth. My skin is my skin. I`ve been taking care of it really well my entire life. So when you do -- I wanted to pick one thing, you know.
And I think by talking about it for people, and I do write about it in my book, that it helps women understand that we all have flaws. We all want to make ourselves look and feel better. It`s ok to do something. And by the way, share it with somebody else so they can go to this fabulous doctor or they can do something that you`ve done.
BEHAR: Have you had anything else done?
JENNER: Well, in 1988 I had my boobs done. Does that count? That was a long time ago.
BEHAR: Implants or lifted?
JENNER: Oh, honey, they had to use a crane. I had four kids. And they just pulled those suckers up.
BEHAR: Oh, that`s so.
JENNER: That`s what I`ve done.
BEHAR: And that`s it?
JENNER: That`s it.
BEHAR: Well, you look great.
JENNER: Thank you. I know you`re going to be wanting that doctor`s number. I`ll give it to you after the break.
BEHAR: My assistant wrote it down. Did you not? She wrote it down. Good. Ok.
Thank you Kris for doing this.
JENNER: Thank you.
BEHAR: And good luck for whatever.
JENNER: I appreciate it. Thank you. My girls love you.
BEHAR: They`re coming on, I think -- they`re coming on my show, the whole batch of them.
JENNER: They`ll probably come on once a week and be the co-host.
BEHAR: They should come on more -- just come on all the time.
Ok. Her book is called "Kris Jenner and all Things Kardashian". It`s out now.
We`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: It looks like things are going from bad to worse for GOP front-runner Herman Cain. As a third woman has now come forward claiming Cain engaged in inappropriate behavior while she was at the National Restaurant Association. Cain`s camp calls the allegation baseless, of course. He`s still leading in the polls, but how much longer can that last? Here to discuss these latest developments are Armstrong Williams, TV and radio talk show host and author of "Reawakening Virtues" and Marc Lamont Hill, cultural anthropologist and host of "Our World with Black Enterprise". Thank you, guys for joining me. OK. First there were two, now three. So, Marc -- Marc, that`s you.
MARC LAMONT HILL, HOST "OUR WORLD WITH BLACK ENTERPRISE": That`s me. You`re a pro.
BEHAR: I know you, Marc, so well. So, there`s three of them now.
HILL: This is bad business.
BEHAR: OK.
HILL: This is like Tiger Woods territory, I think. I mean every week is going to be a new woman. You know ...
BEHAR: Yes.
HILL: And even if you didn`t do it, it just looks bad. You know, it`s not good for this campaign.
BEHAR: No, it`s not good for this campaign. And this GOP consultant Chris Wilson says that he witnessed inappropriate behavior by Cain at a restaurant when Cain was the NRA head. Now, that means that there were other people at the table. Armstrong, what do you believe about that?
ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS, TV & RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: You know, there are accusations, there are allegations that people make. I think candidate Cain can look at the lives of former president Bill Clinton and what Justice Thomas had to endure to make him on the stand, as long as he comes clean, he`s forthright, and he properly accuses himself, that the American people are willing to put this behind him. He continues to lead in the polls. I think this could strengthen him and make him into a better person than he was in the past. I think it shows a weakness in his organization that is still coming together. He doesn`t have the right pieces in place. I think he`s really surprised by the kind of overwhelming support he`s gotten from the GOP base. I think it`s a test of leadership for him. And I think he can come through it with flying colors.
BEHAR: Really? How do you feel about the fact that he didn`t know that China had nuclear weapons since 1954? Does that bother you at all?
WILLIAMS: Excuse me. You know - you know, you may find laughter in it, but I`m sure there are questions ...
BEHAR: That`s nervous laughter.
HILL: That`s fear for me.
BEHAR: That is fear.
HILL: That is outright scary.
WILLIAMS: There are questions that you can ask the current occupant of the White House, there are questions that you can ask any of us, and we wouldn`t know the answer to it. I mean he`s on a learning curve, that`s why he would have a cabinet and ...
BEHAR: A learning curve?
WILLIAMS: ... to get him up to speed. Just like any of us.
HILL: But there are lots of things you don`t know, you know, off the top of your head, but this is not random trivia like the capital of Djibouti. Knowing that there`s not nuclear weapons in China seems like a pretty big deal if you would have to hold your hand on the button, doesn`t it?
BEHAR: I mean did he miss the Cold war? We were all there for the Cold war.
WILLIAMS: Look, Joy, you and I both know that sometimes when you`re on the spot. And people ask you questions, sometimes you know the answer, you can forget, you get nervous. And Herman Cain is on a learning curve. I know you guys wanted him to be kind of perfect, but he`s imperfect. But you know, at least hold out the hope that he can get there, and he can be refined and answer the kind of questions in a way that you guys think that would him credible.
HILL: I want him to do that. I just don`t want him to run for president while he`s doing it. He can learn all that stuff over the next four, eight, 12 years. But right now he`s trying to have the toughest job in the world. And he`s completely incapable of doing it, and this scandal isn`t the only reason why he is incapable, but it just adds another thing on the pile.
BEHAR: Let, you know, two former employees of the Restaurant Association, they got -- one got $45,000 and $35,000 as a settlement. So, does that - do those amounts tell you anything, about what might have happened?
HILL: Well, they don`t sound like nuisance payouts. If they got $5,000 or $10,000 -- we`re talking about years ago, you know, I would have said, you know, maybe they just did it to get them to go away. The truth is we don`t know what happened.
But this sounds like there might be some fire with the smoke. And either way, just the claims that we know to be true are dangerous for him. The one thing that saves him is that Republicans don`t care so much about this stuff. You know, women`s rights, women`s bodies, they -- no one is going to lose the nomination for that. Even on the -- I mean how many candidates really lose elections for this type of staff? Anthony Weiner lost exactly--
BEHAR: Not on the right.
HILL: Not on the right. Not that much on the left either. You can get -- you cant get by with a small scandal, with sexual harassment, or even infidelity, as long as it`s not creepy. Anthony Weiner was creepy, that`s why he lost his job.
BEHAR: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
HILL: Yeah, yeah, but in general you don`t--
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BEHAR: I see.
WILLIAMS: Joy, joy, come on. Listen, obviously, sexual harassment is a very serious charge and we don`t trivialize it and take it lightly. Obviously, there may have been some inappropriate things that were said. And you know, 20 or 12 years ago, many things were being said inappropriately. Sometimes people just don`t realize where they`re going to be later on in life. But are you saying that if these allegations are true, it`s a reason for him to drop out of the race, and for him not to continue to have the overwhelming amount of support that he`s having, thought, I don`t think so. I think there is -- I don`t think, most Americans really care about this. I think ...
HILL: That`s a problem. Don`t you think that`s a problem that most Americans don`t care about sexual harassment?
WILLIAMS: The real issues that they care about like jobs, the economy. What`s going on in the world. That is the focus of the American people.
BEHAR: These kind of things happen on the job.
HILL: I was going to say, it`s a job issue, sexual harassment.
JB : Yeah.
HILL: Every time you go to work, he`s photocopying pictures of his buttocks -- that`s kind of -- just for example, I`m not saying he did that.
BEHAR: For example. Yes.
HILL: Yeah, but those are the types of things that people would say with sexual harassment cases.
BEHAR: It`s interesting, isn`t it, that Herman Cain`s camp is now pointing fingers at Rick Perry. What happened to the high tech lynching?
HILL: Right.
BEHAR: ... that he was getting from the left?
HILL: Well, now they`re saying the lynching is coming from that ranch of Rick Perry`s. And that`s not a bad strategy, though. He`s basically saying, look, this is a political issue, not a personal issue. This has nothing to do with women, it has something to do with workplace behavior, it has everything to do with politics, and by doing that, it`s easier for people on the right to rally around him and support him, even if he`s doing the wrong thing.
BEHAR: Let me ask you a question, Armstrong.
WILLIAMS: Sure.
BEHAR: He said that he thinks race is a factor in the publicizing of sexual harassment allegations. Do you agree with that?
WILLIAMS: I absolutely disagree with that. I absolutely disagree with the high-tech lynching. I think it was -- they went after the Bachmann husband. I think they were going after Perry, Romney, anything, I think this is what the media does. I think Cain is fair game. And I think what he does, he weakens himself when he tries to play the race card. He needs to acquit himself, he needs to just tell what the facts are, and lay this situation to rest and move on to the real issues.
HILL: Yeah, I love the way Republicans bring up the race issue when it`s convenient for them. Just a month ago, Herman Cain said black people need to stop complaining. They need -- that`s the greatest country ever.
BEHAR: Yeah, I know.
HILL: Race doesn`t matter. Now, all of a sudden when he is caught with this hands in the cookie jar, now all of a sudden race is an issue. Now, all of a sudden people like Ann Coulter are worried about, you know, how conservative blacks are treated? They are color-blind until it affects their blacks.
BEHAR: What do you think about that remark, when she said our blacks are smarter than your blacks? It sounds like slave trade.
HILL: It does sound -- that did sound a little problematic, you know.
BEHAR: That is unbelievable.
HILL: And it`s not true. I mean just look at Herman Cain, you know, empirically, it`s not true.
BEHAR: I know.
HILL: But on top of that, it`s problematic.
BEHAR: Yeah, you know, but -- go ahead. Go ahead.
WILLIAMS: Joy, listen. One of the things that we have to realize -- I mean it doesn`t matter who the candidate is -- they make such sacrifices to be of service to this country. I mean, enduring campaigns, enduring these intense questions, these intense debates. A lot of times these guys are tired.
I mean, listen -- I celebrate people who want to run and want to occupy the White House, because that is a tough job. Listen -- no one -- listen, it`s Cain this week. It maybe somebody else this next week. But at least the American people realize that people can have the right to err and make mistakes. And their past can come back full circle, but the great thing about this country is I think they`re the best judges of character. And what they want is somebody who can restore greatness. And the once American symbolism ...
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HILL: But you`ve got to own it. You have to own your mistake. It`s not as if he`s come out and he said, look, I made a mistake, I have sinned. He didn`t do a Jimmy Swaggart, even a Bill Clinton. What he`s done so far is denied. He came up in the beginning and said, I don`t know anything about any claims, then the claims came out and they were proven, and suddenly he kind of remembered them. Then he kind of remembered a settlement going out. He`s dipped and dodged every step of the way. The same way he did with his nine, nine, nine plan. The same thing he did with the electric fence from Mexico. Whenever he gets caught in a political mistake, he fumbles. And it shows that he`s not ready for prime time.
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WILLIAMS: Joy and Marc. Herman Cain at the press conference this week was not his finest hour. He did not handle that situation well. I think we will all agree, but it`s not a reason to just totally dismiss him and say that he`s not credible in the race. I think he deserves a chance, we should -- I think he`s going to -- I think he`s `s been solemn for the last 24 hours, but I think when he re-emerges, you will see a different Cain and he will address this issue once and for all.
BEHAR: You know, first of all -- first of all, he and his camp just seem so unprepared to respond to the allegations. And according to what I read, he had like ten days to prepare a response.
WILLIAMS: Yes.
BEHAR: Doesn`t that tell you something about something? I don`t know what.
HILL: He`s not ready for prime time, and he doesn`t have a team that`s ready for prime time.
BEHAR: Yes.
HILL: He entered this race as a marginal figure, and all the main political honchos, and, you know, the people who are really smart about campaigning are on other people`s teams. And now all of a sudden he`s leading the polls, he has a team of also-rans and second-string political strategists who can`t prepare him for the big time. And he also seems to have a pattern of ducking and denying rather than owning up of his mistakes.
WILLIAMS: I am just so shocked that you and Joy are so nervous about Cain`s running.
HILL: Well, Joy`s not saying much. She`s kind of asking the questions here.
BEHAR: We`re not that nervous. Personally, I`m not ...
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HILL: You think I`m nervous? Listen to me. If Herman Cain were going to the nominee -- please, I hope Herman Cain is the nominee.
BEHAR: Right.
HILL: Barack Obama can book Kool & the Gang for the inauguration right now, if Herman Cain is going to be the nominee. I promise you Barack Obama will be reelected. Please, Herman Cain, win!
WILLIAMS: Keep making the promise, brother.
BEHAR: Who do you consider the best nominee for the job? Is it Romney, who is it?
WILLIAMS: I think -- and this is just my opinion, and I just think for right now, depending on what you are reading, the tea leaves on who`s leading, it would either be Cain-Romney or Romney-Cain.
BEHAR: I don`t think the Republicans like either one of them, to tell you the truth.
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BEHAR: The party elders, you know, the Roves and those guys.
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HILL: That`s why they wanted Rick Perry.
WILLIAMS: The good news is, let the GOP grassroots and the people that really count make that decision. If they make that decision, I think we can all live with that.
HILL: I know I can`t.
BEHAR: Would you vote for Obama in 2012, Armstrong, if they put up any of these guys?
WILLIAMS: You don`t want to know my answer to that.
BEHAR: I do want to know.
WILLIAMS: I`m a journalist today, I`m not taking any sides.
BEHAR: Really? It`s a little late for that, isn`t it?
HILL: That`s a Herman Cain answer.
WILLIAMS: OK, thank you.
BEHAR: All right, thank you, guys, we`ll be right back.
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BEHAR: In the film, "The Producers," Matthew Broderick played a guy who helps perpetuate a financial scam. In his new movie "Tower Heist" he plays the victim of a scam. That`s what I call range. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was on the job a few days ago when my homey got shot in the face.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s kidding, right?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you get shot in the head, it`s over.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You get shot in the head, it`s over. If you get shot in your face, the bullet will go in your cheek and then come out the other side. Then what are you going to do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Die. I`m going to die. I saw a television show once about a guy who got shot in the head with a nail gun. He couldn`t even remember how to chew any more. They had to put everything in a blender.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He couldn`t figure out how to chew, but he could operate a cuisinart?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t think he operated it himself.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, can we just focus, please? It`s 16 degrees.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s right, let`s focus.
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BEHAR: Matthew Broderick is with me now. Ladies and gentlemen. OK. So Matthew.
MATTHEW BRODERICK, ACTOR: Yeah.
BEHAR: You`re very funny. You`re such a funny actor. And in this movie you play a character that is sort of like a -- sort of a nebbishy. Do you enjoy that type of role?
BRODERICK: I would rather be heroic and very sexy.
BEHAR: Last time I saw you in person, I think it was in the summer, on Labor Day or something.
BRODERICK: Yes.
BEHAR: We did something called celebrity autobiography. For those of you out there who don`t know what that is, we read from celebrity`s autobiographies, verbatim, what they actually have written, and they`re so ridiculous, some of them that they`re funny just to read. You did Tommy Lee.
BRODERICK: Yeah, I was Tommy Lee.
BEHAR: You were Tommy Lee and Nathan Lane was Sylvester Stallone. It was like a duo. It was filthy.
BRODERICK: It was disgusting. I know.
BEHAR: And because you just said these filthy words straight, you were hilarious.
BRODERICK: I know. I don`t know if I was hilarious.
BEHAR: You were.
BRODERICK: It`s funny, those things, I don`t know why they come out so funny. The more seriously you take it, the funnier it comes out for some reason.
BEHAR: Yeah, I know, some of them -- I did Madonna. Who shares in one of her books that she had sex with a young boy. And I relate that story.
BRODERICK: Yes, it was very good, and I remember the stunning ending. Do you recall how it ended?
BEHAR: The stunning ending where he gives her a certain disease?
BRODERICK: Yes.
BEHAR: Oh, yeah. I mean, these books are just beyond the pale, you don`t have to write it, it`s right there.
BRODERICK: I know. I`m not sure the celebrity in question did write it, though. You know what I mean? I`m always a little concerned --
BEHAR: Well, one of them who shall be nameless just tells you what he eats. The whole book is about it. And then for breakfast I had this. And then at night I often have this.
BRODERICK: Egg whites. Yogurt. He describes what`s in his fridge. Gogurt, yogurt, another yogurt, eggs.
BEHAR: And when I want Chinese food-
BRODERICK: I order from-
BEHAR: It`s the book. For serious. But this movie is very funny, and it`s a star-studded cast. You have Eddie Murphy, Ben Stiller, Alan Alda. Any divas in the pack?
BRODERICK: Everybody was behaving pretty well.
BEHAR: They did? Even Eddie Murphy?
BRODERICK: Even Eddie Murphy. He was very -- he was great. He seemed to be happy.
BEHAR: He seemed happy?
BRODERICK: Yeah. I wouldn`t get too close. But he seemed very happy.
BEHAR: You`re a little scared of him?
BRODERICK: A little scared, you know.
BEHAR: A little scared, yes.
BRODERICK: Only because he`s so great, and I grew up watching him. So - but I got used to being --
BEHAR: Do you ever tell him that and make him feel old?
BRODERICK: No, because we`re both the same age. And we used to discuss how incredibly old we both are, or were. You think you would like me saying that?
BEHAR: No, I`m just kidding. I grew up watching you.
BRODERICK: I know, I don`t mean it quite like that. I mean, I grew up at the same time. We aged together.
BEHAR: Yes. That`s true. But you come from -- your father was a famous actor, we were talking about that before. James Broderick, who was in the great show, "Family," which I loved.
BRODERICK: Thank you. Yes, with Christie McNichol (ph).
BEHAR: I wonder if people can still get that somewhere?
BRODERICK: I think you can get a DVD of it, you can get a set. You could probably also download it or something, I don`t know.
BEHAR: Remember there was one where he had an adulterous affair and almost broke up the marriage.
BRODERICK: With Linda Lavin (ph) maybe.
BEHAR: He had the affair with Linda Lavin.
BRODERICK: I think so.
BEHAR: That was a really good show.
BRODERICK: It was good. It was kind of a slightly serious soap opera, I guess. At nighttime, one of the first of those, you know. And Sadie Thompson (ph), wonderful actress, and it was very good.
BEHAR: Didn`t you name your son after your father?
BRODERICK: Yes. James.
BEHAR: Your father`s name is James, right?
BRODERICK: That`s right.
BEHAR: What about the twins, how old are they now?
BRODERICK: They`re 2.5.
BEHAR: How cute.
BRODERICK: They`re extremely cute. They talk.
BEHAR: They talk?
BRODERICK: Yeah, I guess that`s a good thing at 2.5.
BEHAR: I read somewhere Einstein didn`t speak until he was three.
BRODERICK: Well, they`re no Einsteins. I don`t think they`d mind me telling you that. I don`t think they`d understand me telling you that.
BEHAR: Not right now, no, but they`ll watch this tape years from now and turn on you. The movie reflects what`s going on in the country. That`s what`s good about this movie. Alan Alda plays a kind of a Bernie Madoff guy who rips off all these people.
BRODERICK: Yes.
BEHAR: Are you aware of what`s going on down on Wall Street?
BRODERICK: I heard something about it.
BEHAR: Yeah, it`s really kind of --
BRODERICK: I know, I know. I don`t know if I understand it all that well, but it sure is. I think, you know, obviously, there`s a growing inequality that people are mad about.
BEHAR: The 1 percenters are against the 99 percenters. You and I are in the 1 percent.
BRODERICK: So are they going to take our stuff? That`s my main concern.
BEHAR: No, they`re not going to take your stuff.
BRODERICK: Then it`s OK.
BEHAR: But all the people that I know who are in the 1 percent, and believe me there`s the 1 percent and then there`s the 1 percent.
BRODERICK: Right. We`re not in that either.
BEHAR: Yes. Those people like Barry Diller and all those very rich, David Geffen, I see them in the Hamptons. They all say raise my taxes.
BRODERICK: Yes, that`s right. And nobody wants -- will do it.
BEHAR: No. They don`t want to do it. It`s like take it, and no, we don`t want it.
BRODERICK: I know. And even most of the 99 percent say, no, don`t take his money, take the government`s money. Or something--
BEHAR: Not quite. They want to take everybody`s money. Because they have to balance the budget.
BRODERICK: I know. I heard that`s how it works. They`ve got to balance the budget. It must be very hard.
BEHAR: It`s very hard to do.
BRODERICK: You have to bring in pretty much the same amount you spend, as I understand it.
BEHAR: Exactly. That`s exactly right. You should run for Timothy Geithner`s job.
BRODERICK: That`s complicated, that job.
BEHAR: Very complicated. We`ll have more with Matthew Broderick in just a moment. Stay there.
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BEN STEIN: Joy, I hear my old pal Matthew Broderick is going to be here tomorrow. Can I give him a shoutout? Hi, Matthew. Matthew, I haven`t seen you since we did "Ferris Bueller." I have no idea what you`ve been up to, but I work all the time. Joy is very well wired. Maybe she can find you a gig.
BEHAR: I`ll try. I`ll try.
STEIN: And if you`re having problems with your mortgage, you know how to reach me.
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BEHAR: That was Ben Stein, who was here yesterday with a shoutout to his friend Matthew Broderick.
BRODERICK: That`s nice. That`s great.
BEHAR: He was in "Ferris Bueller" with you.
BRODERICK: Yes, I know. He`s -- I run into him from time to time. He`s so nice.
BEHAR: Yes, he`s very nice.
BRODERICK: I like him.
BEHAR: He`s very conservative.
BRODERICK: I know, but he`s nice.
BEHAR: But he`s nice. I know.
BRODERICK: That sounds worse than I meant it. Am I going to lose conservative fans?
BEHAR: It doesn`t matter.
BRODERICK: OK.
BEHAR: Now, your lovely wife Sarah Jessica Parker said something about you to "Parade" magazine about you recently. I`d like to read it for you.
BRODERICK: About me?
BEHAR: About you. She said -- well, it`s sort of about you. I hope it`s about you. I like having some mystery in our relationship, she said. I like not knowing everything about my husband. I think it`s good to have some privacy and some secrets in our lives. What kind of secrets? Is it like Herman Cain secrets, or what kind of secrets do you two have?
BRODERICK: I don`t know. I don`t know.
BEHAR: You don`t know what she`s talking about?
BRODERICK: No. Should I be concerned?
BEHAR: I can`t tell if the two of you have secrets together, or she has separate secrets from you.
BRODERICK: It might be the latter. I think she just means to keep it romantic and not just all open book. You know, I guess maybe it`s more we could look at it that way.
BEHAR: Well, you know, the Kardashians have this big wedding and now they got a divorce.
BRODERICK: I heard that.
BEHAR: In 72 days.
BRODERICK: They were married how long?
BEHAR: 72 days.
BRODERICK: 72 days, gee.
BEHAR: But I mean, they had a big splash. Did you have a big splash when you got married?
BRODERICK: We had not a huge splash, but a fairly big --
BEHAR: Really?
BRODERICK: Yeah.
BEHAR: How many people?
BRODERICK: 100, 200, or 1,000 maybe. I don`t remember. 181.
BEHAR: OK.
BRODERICK: I always have an answer. But don`t check it, because it might not be right.
BEHAR: All right. We have fact checkers here. OK, Matthew, don`t screw around?
BRODERICK: I`m sure you do. I`m being very careful.
BEHAR: I only have 30 seconds left? We flew. Before we go, just -- can you do this for me? Just do the Brando impression. Can you do it?
BRODERICK: Which part of it? I don`t remember how.
BEHAR: Just I`ll ask you a question. How did you get to be such a big star?
BRODERICK: What is a big star? What do you mean? Do you mean a flaming orb of gaseous material? Floating in space? Or a popular show business personality?
BEHAR: And you can catch Matthew Broderick in "Tower Heist" in theaters Friday. Thank you for watching. Good night, everybody. Thank you.
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