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Christie to Heckler: "Sit Down and Shut Up"; Jeb Bush Takes on Hillary Clinton; Maine Filing Order to Enforce Nurse Quarantine; ISIS Using Women as Sex Slaves

Aired October 30, 2014 - 07:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Your man, Governor Chris Christie in New Jersey, let's play what happened when he was confronted with a protester about something that he cares a lot about, Hurricane Sandy relief. He does not like to get criticized about it and that's exactly what happened.

Let's take a look.

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GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: I got the picture; I read it, OK? So, you're - yes, you do yours, too, buddy. So we -- we know -- yes, we know. We know.

Now, listen -- you all know me, so if we're going to get into a debate here today, it's going to get very interesting and very fun. So, yes, I understand.

I've been more than happy to have a debate with you any time, you like, guy, because somebody like you doesn't know a damn thing about what you're talking about, is except to stand up and show off when the cameras are here.

I've been here when the cameras aren't here, buddy and done the work. So -- I'm glad had your day to show off. But we're the ones who are here to actually do the work. So turn around, get your 15 minutes of fame and then maybe take your jacket off, roll up your sleeves and do something for the people of this state. So we'll see. Now listen, everybody, what we need -- I grew up in, good.

There's been 23 months since then when all you've been doing is flapping your mouth and not doing anything. You want to have the conversation later, I'm happy to have it, buddy. But until that time, sit down and shut up.

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CUOMO: Truth is, John, as you well know, Sandy relief has been woefully inadequate. There are tons of families still displaced, but this is also not that unusual. There's a lot of hostility in campaigns right now out on the hustings and that's where you are.

JOHN KING, CNN HOST, "INSIDE POLITICS": And this is Chris Christie style, Chris, as he hits the road, campaigning it looks like he's going full steam ahead to run for president in 2016. This is the big test. He won re-election in New Jersey so people around Chris Christie -- the governor tells us people like this, it's endearing.

They like that he's combative, proud of his state. He gives it as well as he gets it. In the state of New Jersey it's worked for him, right. He just won a big re-election campaign just last year. The question is, when he comes here, to the state of New Hampshire, where do you a lot of town halls, where he goes out to Iowa and campaign in the caucuses and you do a lot of town halls.

Will it seem presidential? Will it travel with him if you will? It might be appealing to enough people in New Jersey to win re-election. But do the people of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and beyond, do they find it presidential or bullying?

Do they find it endearing and a new kind of politician or a fresh face or do they find it, you know, kind of too much, too tough? That will be the big question for Chris Christie is, can he take what has worked for him in New Jersey and does he have to change it as he goes on to Iowa and New Hampshire?

You see less of that when he travels now, helping candidates in 2014, but make no mistake about it. The Democrats know this. They think it's a weakness, even though Christie has used it as a strength. They think it could be a huge weakness.

Guess what, opponents of Christie, both Republicans and Democrats are going to show up at those town halls if he runs for president and try to provoke him.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: I've never known if New Jersey plays in Iowa. I've always actually wondered that because it really plays in New Jersey, but you know, maybe it is only unto itself.

CUOMO: Does that explain why you're so harsh with me at times?

CAMEROTA: A little bit, yes.

KING: People are so tired of politics as usual. In some ways it's authentic and refreshing, like everything, there's a line and there is a limit. How does he bottle what's worked in one environment and take it into other different environments and decide how much of it to use.

CAMEROTA: OK, let's talk about your environment, you're in New Hampshire, what are you finding on the ground? What's the mood?

KING: This is one of again, one of the more fascinating states. There's, we're going to have wonderful chess play next Tuesday night because we started the year thinking huge Republican advantage when you look at the map especially when you look at the key Senate states.

The biggest prize in the election next Tuesday night is control of the United States Senate. But New Hampshire is one of the blue states. President Obama won here handily twice. You have Scott Brown and essentially a dead heat, the former Republican senator from Massachusetts has moved to New Hampshire. He's in a dead heat with the Democratic incumbent, Jean Shaheen.

She is -- you know, she is the governor before this in New Hampshire. She was very popular in the state. Here she finds herself in a dead heat with a few days to go.

Like here in New Hampshire, Iowa is another blue state the president carried twice. Colorado is a state the president carried twice. I called them the blues, at first they were the bonuses for Republicans.

If earlier in the year, if Republicans could pick up those that meant they were having a huge night. Now though when you have places like Kansas, places like Georgia and even places like Kentucky, potential Republican seats that could be taken away by Democrats, these blue states are critical.

Republicans need to get at least a couple of them to protect their math. And it's interesting in the dead heat state, people get the license plates in New Hampshire, the motto is live free or die.

Listen to Rand Paul here trying to come to the rescue. He is very different from Scott Brown, but Rand Paul with this ad here trying to help Scott Brown in the final days. Listen.

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SENATOR RAND PAUL (R), KENTUCKY: If you're a freedom-loving, liberty- loving, leave me the hell alone voter, I urge you to get out and vote for Scott Brown this Tuesday to change Washington, change your senator.

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CAMEROTA: Wow.

KING: One of many examples where guys who have an eye on 2016 trying to build a name in 2014 as well.

CUOMO: I wonder if he is going to try to steal Christie's thunder and combine it. Leave me the hell alone, sit down and shut up. Now but are you seeing something interesting emerging.

John's the pro. But so many praises, so close, it's bringing in the big names. If you can sway something right now, that's momentum into 2016.

Hillary Clinton in Iowa, talking jobs and Jeb Bush coming back and talking to her, it's a nice little preview of what's going on there. A nice little sidebar we're seeing.

KING: Do we have, do we have the Jeb Bush sound?

CUOMO: Yes, let's play the sound first, I wanted your comment. I care more about you. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JEB BUSH (R), FORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR: I saw something that was breathtaking, a candidate, a former secretary of state, who was campaigning in Massachusetts, where she said that don't let them tell you that businesses create jobs. Well the problem in America today is that not enough jobs are being created.

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KING: Now Secretary Clinton to be clear later corrected that comment. She said what she meant was she doesn't like Republican policies of just giving tax breaks to businesses hoping they'll create jobs.

She said of course businesses create jobs, but she doesn't like the Republican tax policy. She did correct herself, but Republicans are seizing on that.

The big question is Jeb Bush taking Hillary Clinton on directly. That's something we've seen Rand Paul do. That's something we've seen Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz do.

Is Jeb Bush taking her on directly? Should we take that as a tea leaf? He's been leaning a little bit forward to running, is that a sign he's going to run or is he just having fun on the trail --

CAMEROTA: And what's the answer?

KING: I think he's leaning more in. But you don't find anybody, the key for me is, do you find somebody here who is an active organizer in the Republican Party who says I got a call on my birthday from Jeb Bush or anniversary? Is he starting to do that yet? No.

Is he meeting with fundraisers? Is he starting to organize? His son says that the family is OK with it. So he's moving forward. But he hasn't taken the big final plunge yet.

I think we're almost out of time. I want you guys to know, the bookers got Hillary Clinton on the show today, President Obama to come on the show today.

I'm at the Institute of Politics. We're having a little fun. You have to be bipartisan. You guys have any questions?

CAMEROTA: No, your bookers are impressive. Wow.

CUOMO: Your bookers are really good. They're at cross-purpose there is, the two of them.

KING: I hope I like the cardboard candidates or not. They don't answer questions.

CAMEROTA: They don't say much. John, thanks so much. Thanks for all the information. It was great to see you on "Inside Politics."

All right, quarantine controversy -- a Maine nurse fighting her in- home quarantine, saying her civil liberties are being violated. Is that state going too far? We'll talk live with an expert who has been training health care workers in West Africa.

CUOMO: Plus women kidnapped and raped by ISIS. You're going to hear one young victim's heart-wrenching story coming up in a live report. What's at stake in this war?

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KACI HICKOX, QUARANTINED NURSE: I completely understand that the state's purpose is to protect the state of Maine. I have worked in public health for many years and that has always been my purpose as well. But we have to make decisions on science.

And I am completely healthy. You know you could hug me, you could shake my hand. There is no way that I would give you Ebola.

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MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: That was nurse, Kaci Hickox, vowing to challenge any attempt by the state of Maine to isolate her against her will. She says she has been symptom-free as you heard since returning from Sierra Leon where she was treating Ebola patients.

She believes her civil liberties are being violated by forcing her into quarantine. Joining me now from Dubai is Sean Kaufman. He has been training health care workers to combat Ebola in Liberia.

He also head up infection control at Emory University Hospital during the successful treatments of Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol.

Sean, it's really, really great to see you. I want you reaction first. I'm curious, given the work that you've done in West Africa and you returned here to America, you're now in Dubai right now.

I wonder, Sean, as a man who trains health care workers, what would you do if you were in Kaci Hickox' position?

SEAN KAUFMAN, RESPONSE TEAM MEMBER, ANTHRAX ATTACKS/SARS OUTBREAK: Well, I think the very first thing I would do is maybe you know kind of give the instigator a little bit of a lesson, saying, why don't you sit down and shut up and listen to your own advice.

You know, look, Governor Christie started a very, very dangerous trend here. And we are now having public health decisions being made by lawmakers and politicians.

And to be honest with you, I sure wish that I could give up my public health experience and start making political decisions as well because I think it's horrible.

We are chasing shadows and ghosts and not making decisions based on fact. So I absolutely am shocked at what I'm seeing. PEREIRA: I'm going to play devil's advocate and push back on you a little bit here. The fact is the medical bodies, the CDC for example, they can't enforce their guidelines. They're not an enforcement body.

So it is going to rely on the political realm and the legal realm to enforce those things. You have said on our show originally that the CDC guidelines were too lax. Help me understand the disconnect.

KAUFMAN: Well, look, CDC's guidelines are something that aren't too lax. In fact they're based in science. And it's what we see in the states that are becoming a little bit too rigid.

I mean, for goodness sake, let's put barbed wire fence around the houses, bring some tanks out and secure the individuals coming home from West Africa, because they're such a huge risk to the general public.

Look, the reality is, they're not. The greatest risk right now to us is the fact that the states are taking away our civil liberties. They're taking our right away to live a life. We're not a risk to people.

Yet they're basing their decisions on things that are not factual. They're basing it on fear and they're taking away our civil rights.

PEREIRA: Is there a chance that Kaci Hickox could develop a symptom within the 21 days and be sickened from Ebola? Do you believe that? Is there a chance?

KAUFMAN: Look, absolutely, Kaci could very well get sick. But that's not the best question that needs to be focused on is Kaci a risk to others if she gets sick?

Based on what I've seen and what I know about Kaci, she would be the very first to isolate herself and prevent her illness from spreading to anyone else.

PEREIRA: I mean, there's a lot of lingering confusion. I think some of the confusion comes from some of the messages that we're receiving. I want to show a picture, I know you might not have a monitor. I'll try to describe it as best I can, Sean.

Sanjay Gupta first showed us this picture, it was from an event yesterday where the president was addressing health care workers and have them standing right behind him.

These are health care workers who are within that 21-day period and are asymptomatic, and on the other side is Kaci Hickox quarantined at her home, well, that was when she was in the tent.

She is now in quarantine. There is so much confusion and discrepancy. Why do you think that is and how do we get past it?

KAUFMAN: I'm extremely proud of our president for making a statement. Look, you know, Thomas Huxley once said, it is not who is right, but what is right is of the greatest importance. What is right is when public health policy is being decided by scientific fact. So I applaud the president for doing what he did because that's leadership, standing up and making a statement.

Not out of fear because I'm sure the president respects Ebola and is afraid of it. But he's making a decision in public health out of facts and I respect that tremendously.

PEREIRA: Sean Kaufman, we appreciate you. You're very vocal about the work that needs to be done both here in the United States and in Western Africa. We appreciate you joining us as always -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Michaela, a very disturbing story to tell you about. Women taken hostage by ISIS, the terrorists using them as sex slaves. Wait until you hear the torture that one young victim says she endured.

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CUOMO: ISIS says it is about Islam, but the truth is, it is mainly about the worst of human behavior -- women, often very young, humiliated, battered, kidnapped and worse, raped repeatedly by members of ISIS and used as sex slaves.

CNN's Ivan Watson spoke to a young victim and brings us her horrifying and even worse, not uncommon story. He is live from Istanbul this morning -- Ivan.

IVAN WATSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. This is not an easy story to tell. Not only because it's so barbaric, but also because the scale of it.

Back in August when ISIS attacked into new areas and drove hundreds of thousands of Iraqis from minority Yazidi group fleeing in exodus, they also took thousands of Yazidi women, hostage.

Many of them have still been held. We got to speak to one woman who was rescued.

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WATSON (voice-over): Jana was a 19-year-old high school senior with dreams of becoming a doctor when ISIS first came to her village.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): They came to the village and said you have to convert to Islam and we will kill you.

WATSON: Jana, not her real name, is from the village of Kocho, a community of ethnic Kurds from the Yazidi religious minority, which was surrounded and occupied by ISIS early last August.

Soon after, Jana says ISIS ordered the entire village to go to the school where they separated the men from the women.

According to a United Nations report, ISIS gathered all males older than 10 years of age, took them outside the village by pick-up trucks, and shot them. A different faith lay in store for the women. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): They separated the girls and women who had children and the old women. They took us girls to Mosul, to a big, three-story house.

WATSON: Jana says there were hundreds of girls in the house and they got visits from the men of ISIS.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): They came to the room and looked around at the girls and if they liked one, they chose her and took her. If the girls cried and didn't want to leave, they beat the girl.

The guy who chose me was 70 years old and he took me to his house. There were four Yezidi girls there already. They hit us and didn't give us enough to eat or drink. They told us we were infidel.

He put me in a room and put a gun to my head and I was on the ground and he said I will kill you because you won't convert to Islam. That night, they came and took an 11-year-old girl away and when she came back, she told me they raped her.

WATSON: Dr. Nazand Begikhani is an adviser to the Kurdistan Regional Government and an expert on gender violence. She said ISIS kidnapped more than 2,500 Yezidi women last August. She says since then, the women have been bought and sold across Iraq and Syria like cattle.

NAZAND, BEGIKHANI, ADVISER TO KURDISTAN REGIONAL GOVERNMENT: They have two main aims, first to recruit youngsters by giving them these young girls and women, and secondly, to humiliate and expose these women into slavery and systematic rape.

WATSON: Since August, Kurdish authorities succeeded in rescuing only a fraction of the thousands of kidnapped Yezidi women. Begikhani says all of those rescued, say they were raped.

(on camera): If you could say something to the men who took you to his house, what would you want to tell this guy?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I don't want to tell him anything. I just want to kill him.

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WATSON: So, of the thousands of women who have been held hostage in this way since last August, the Kurdish authorities have only been able to rescue about 100 in part by playing ransom to Arab tribes men who act as middlemen.

There is no white knight coming to save these women. There is an active war being fought. ISIS is still holding on to its front lines.

When I met that 19-year-old girl, Jana told me before ISIS came to her village, she had dreams of becoming a doctor. Those dreams are gone.

Her father and eldest brother believe to have been executed by ISIS and get this, her mother and two of her brothers are still being held hostage -- Alisyn and Chris.

CAMEROTA: Ivan Watson, what an incredible story. Thanks so much. It's important to remember how appalling the things that are happening over there.

CUOMO: The war has a lot at stake. There's a lot going on and that's what we have to stay focused on.

CAMEROTA: Absolutely. Also another top story today, an Ebola battle, Nurse Kaci Hickox is fighting quarantine. She says her civil rights are being violated, this after she tested negative for Ebola, twice.

Our chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta is going to share his opinion on this case and we'll talk to Kaci Hickox's lawyer about what she plans to do today.

CUOMO: Meantime, the president blasting strict quarantine measures as states are putting restrictions in place more and more. Hear both sides and decide for yourself, next.

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