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Ferguson Grand Jury to Reconvene Today; Extension for Iran Nuke Talks; Cosby Accuser Speaks Out

Aired November 24, 2014 - 06:00   ET

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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: What happens next? The grand jury in Ferguson may meet for the last time today and word of an indictment or not could follow Darren Wilson's fate in the shooting of unarmed teen, Michael Brown hangs in the balance with the city and the nation on edge.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Another woman coming forward, accusing Bill Cosby of sexual assault. At least 15 women claim to be victims of the comedian. The latest accuser explains her motives for speaking out.

Campus in crisis, shocking details of rape on University of Virginia campus revealed the horrifying allegations that have now forced the university to suspend all fraternity activities. Did UVA foster a culture of sexual violence?

CUOMO: Your NEW DAY starts right now.

Good morning. Welcome to NEW DAY. It's Monday, November 24th, 6:00 in the East. Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota, and Michaela Pereira here, and we want to welcome back our viewers watching us on the Dish Network, don't we?

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All right. We have a lot of news for you this morning, starting with the situation in Ferguson. To be sure, it has come to a head. A grand jury is expected to reconvene today. They should be near a decision on whether to indict Police Officer Darren Wilson or not for the fatal shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown. One major development is that an announcement could come quickly after they decide. Remember, authorities were thinking that the decision should be held maybe for a couple of days. That will not happen now.

CAMEROTA: And Chris, tensions remain high in Ferguson about what will happen if Wilson is exonerated, and we're hearing that, if Wilson is cleared, grand jury evidence may still be kept under wraps.

CNN's Ana Cabrera is following developments for us. She's live in Clayton, Missouri. What's the latest, Ana?

ANA CABRERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn and Chris. We are outside the justice center here in St. Louis County, where all

the attention is focused today. This is where those grand jurors are expected to reconvene sometime in the next few hours. At least nine of the 12 grand jurors have to agree for there to be an indictment in this case. What will their decision be? When will there be an announcement? These are lingering questions keeping the community and, really, the country on edge.

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CABRERA (voice-over): Overnight protesters marched, blocking traffic in Ferguson, relatively calm but for this incident.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm just trying to go home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know, but you're going to be here for a minute, bro.

CABRERA: While shooting this video, "L.A. Times" reporter Matt Pierce was rushed to the hospital after being struck in the head by a small object.

MATT PIERCE, REPORTER, "L.A. TIMES": So I didn't see anybody throw anything. I didn't see what it was. It just felt like a conk on the head.

CABRERA: The fire still burning in the hearts of protestors awaiting a decision from the St. Louis County grand jury. The group of 12, made up of five women and seven men, nine white and three black, is expected to meet again today after ending the day Friday with no decision.

Outside the courthouse law enforcement have put up barricades to brace for backlash. Inside, the grand jury weighs the following options: indict Officer Darren Wilson on 1st or 2nd degree murder, voluntary or involuntary manslaughter, or deliver a "no true Bill," saying there isn't enough to go forward with the charges against Wilson, who fatally shot unarmed teenager Michael Brown.

BOB MCCULLOCH, ST. LOUIS COUNTY PROSECUTOR: Ultimately, the transparency will be that everything the grand jury hears, the public will ultimately hear, one way or the other.

CABRERA: Prosecutor Bob McCulloch says if Wilson is charged, the evidence comes out at trial. If there is no indictment, he plans to make all the testimony, reports, diagrams and more public. But a judge has the final say on what gets released and when.

Michael Brown's parents have urged calm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just want you all to be careful. Don't agitate them. Don't let them agitate y'all. I don't want nobody getting hurt.

CABRERA: The president, on ABC's "This Week," joined the call.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is a country that allows everybody to express their views, but using any event as an excuse for violence is contrary to the rule of law and contrary to who we are.

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CABRERA: A reminder that, regardless of the outcome of this grand jury decision, this is still not the end. There are still those two federal civil rights investigations that are ongoing: one that is specifically probing the death of Michael Brown, the other that's taking a look at the broader police conduct issue involving minorities in Ferguson -- Chris, Alisyn.

CUOMO: Absolutely, Ana. A lot of variables to go. If there is an indictment, what that trial process looks like; if there isn't an indictment, does [SIC] the prosecutors decide to go ahead with the case anyway? That's within their discretion. A lot of things could happen.

There are also developments in terms of what's going on the Ferguson that are very relevant here. Let's bring in Tom Fuentes, CNN law enforcement analyst, former assistant director for the FBI.

Tom, it's good to see you.

TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Thank you, Chris.

CUOMO: These arrests sound pretty scary. They found people with the materials to make pipe bombs. What do you know about the arrests and also the actors involved? Are they some of these out-of-town bad-guy anarchist types, or were these seen as locals?

FUENTES: No. It sounds like out-of-towners that have come in. And I think that from the beginning, this has been the FBI and other law enforcement agencies' primary concern, are not the peaceful protesters from the community of Ferguson but the outside agitators, you know.

This would include other domestic terror groups in the United States. We have neo-Nazi groups. We have, you know -- we have organizations like the KKK and the Aryan Brotherhood, and you know, others that may come that are whites to cause trouble against African-Americans. And then you have African-American groups that may want to come and foment violence just to attack the police and create a riot situation just to show, "See how bad the police are?"

So that's been the concern, that outside people would come in and try to take advantage of the extreme tension, the high emotion and elicit a backlash of violence.

CUOMO: For the wrong people, that spells opportunity, and that's why...

FUENTES: Exactly. CUOMO: ... we have 100, we hear 100 FBI agents working at these arrests to -- function of a undercover fake buy that they did to catch these guys. Let me ask you, other than their typical investigating, can the FBI officers help in the situation that this does spill over into violence? Can they help in an ongoing protest situation?

FUENTES: Well, they can. But normally, that -- that aspect is up to the local police. The uniformed police operations, local SWAT teams and all that would be trained and ready to do that kind of street- level policing, which the FBI would not normally do.

What the FBI's main role will be is to gather intelligence and coordinate intelligence that could come in from all over the world. You know, the FBI tracks hooligans with other countries. When I ran international operations, every time the IMF meets or World Bank meets anywhere in the world, there are a group of hooligans that travel internationally just to fight with the police and cause mayhem at those events.

So that's the concern here, is that you will have people coming from all over the world, possibly, to go to Ferguson, cause trouble, that could care less, that have no interest in pro-police or anti-police or Michael Brown or Officer Wilson, that have no concerns like that. All they concern -- are concerned with is there's a potential for violence, and they want to help bring it on.

CUOMO: And I'm reading right now the FBI is putting out that alert, obviously, nationwide for officers to be ready for any reaction to the grand jury's decision, again, because it could be an opportunity.

Let's stick specifically in Ferguson, though, and let's bring in Liz Brown. She's a columnist for "The St. Louis Dispatch [SIC]."

Liz, it's good to have you. I know we're working on your microphone. Glad we got it set.

LIZ BROWN, COLUMNIST, "ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH": That's right.

CUOMO: Good. You sound beautiful. You sound beautiful.

So with what's going on on the ground there right now, the first big development that we're dealing with this morning is authorities were going to hold this decision. Maybe that was if it came during the week to get the school kids into safety. That was rethought. Do you think it was good to rethink that decision? And do you think it's good that we hear about the decision as soon as it comes out?

BROWN: I think that it was good to hold the decision, but it also is kind of a curious thing, Chris, as to why are they holding at this point? Because it kind of made sense to announce it on a Sunday. That way kids are out of school. You have a short school week. And if things -- if things needed to be tended to for the entire week, kids wouldn't lose that much school. So it was a smart decision for Sunday. I don't know if it's a good decision for Monday. I don't know that it would make sense for Tuesday, because since there are so many events going on all over the country -- we have Black Friday coming up. We have Thanksgiving coming up.

The question is, is does it make sense to announce this during that time? So I'm not even certain that it may -- that the decision may happen this week.

CUOMO: So, look, we don't -- we don't even know the full body of information that's been given to this grand jury.

BROWN: That's correct.

CUOMO: But we're working off the -- one, this has been a long period for the grand jury.

BROWN: Correct. Exceedingly long.

CUOMO: They have been actively meeting. And there have been given some indications that they've been asking for less things, et cetera.

But you're right. There is no good time for something that's going to be as divisive as this.

Now one of the things that's bubbling up more and more -- and I want your take on this -- is this dissatisfaction with the grand jury, that this didn't need a grand jury, that this prosecutor should have known that there was an ability to charge here, and that this is more of a distraction than it is of a giving it over to the people, which is what the prosecutor says. What do you see on that line?

BROWN: Well, I think that the announcement that came this week -- and it's something that I have been saying all along -- when Bob McCulloch made the statement on two different radio stations that, one, "I will release all of the information." Two, "I've talked to a judge about releasing the information." And, three, "A judge has agreed that I can release this information," all of that is not true. So that gets to the whole issue of the distrust of the process and the distrust of the prosecutors.

CUOMO: Which part -- which part is untrue? Has he not spoken to a judge? There is an application.

BROWN: That is correct. A judge has released a statement. The county prosecutor's office or the county court's office has released a statement saying that the judge has not said anything. Because a judge has to make a ruling.

CUOMO: Right.

BROWN: You can't just walk down the hall and say, "Judge, I want this." There has to be a ruling, and then that's written down on a piece of paper and turned into an order.

So there are three statements that have been made that are not -- simply factually not true. And that gets to the distrust that the community and that the region has about this particular prosecutor being able to be fair and impartial. CUOMO: All right, Liz, that's going to be an important thread to

follow through on, though look, in the immediate aftermath, people aren't going to want to be reviewing the record. It's going to be very deep; it's going to be tedious.

And we also have to remember there is a pending federal investigation. That could be a basis. It's not that they don't want us to know what's in the record. It could be that the federal authorities want it kept quiet.

Tom Fuentes, we'll be talking to you more about that as we go forward on it.

Liz Brown, I'll be seeing you in Ferguson, soon.

BROWN: Thank you.

FUENTES: Thank you, Chris.

CUOMO: Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK, Chris, we have some breaking news. Talks on Iran's nuclear program have been extended into next month. The sides are citing good progress. So are they really getting closer or is this just a stalling tactic?

Let's bring in CNN chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto. He's live on the ground for us in Vienna. What's the latest, Jim?

JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Alisyn. A western diplomat tells CNN that there will be no nuclear deal by the midnight deadline tonight here in Vienna, that the sides will issue a statement citing good progress. Not a legal statement, just simply a statement citing that progress and the talks will continue at a lower level. Not at the level of foreign minister, secretary of state, in the coming weeks.

It is an extension by any other name. And it means that Secretary Kerry, the foreign ministers of Iran, the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, who have been working so hard here, really, over the last 12 months, not just these last few days in Vienna, to come to a final comprehensive nuclear agreement, that they will leave Vienna before that deadline without that final agreement.

And frankly, all these sides will go home to a very difficult political environment, to return home essentially empty-handed here. Yes, they have made progress. They will release a statement saying they have made progress, but they will go home without that deal. And frankly, Alisyn, that's going to be something that's difficult -- going to be difficult to sell at home politically, both in Iran and in the U.S.

CAMEROTA: So what does happen now if they have to go home empty- handed?

SCIUTTO: More negotiations. Not with Secretary Kerry here, the foreign minister of Iran, Javad Zarif, but at a lower level, the ministerial level. I'm told that that will begin in the next couple of weeks. So they will work at it, technical details, et cetera.

But what this reflects is that those big gaps that Secretary Kerry and others have been referencing in recent days have not been closed. It means that they believe they still might be closed. And that's why they're making an effort at this. It doesn't mean that they will. But they certainly have more work to do to close those gaps, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: All right. Jim Sciutto, thanks so much for the update on that breaking news. Great to see you.

There's other news to talk about. Let's bring in Michaela. Good morning.

PEREIRA: All right. Good morning, guys.

Good morning to you at home. Breaking overflight, a lockdown at Ft. Sam Houston in San Antonio has been listed now. The Army base was placed on lockdown Sunday after a driver blew through an entrance checkpoint without stopping. That driver was captured after a brief manhunt. An explosives team found no bombs in the vehicle. Police say the man was alone. No word yet on a possible motive.

Afghanistan's parliament approving agreements with the U.S. and NATO, allowing troops to remain in the country beyond the end of the year, when the mission was supposed to end. The new agreements will keep some 12,000 international troops in Afghanistan. The vote came after President Obama approved new guidelines allowing American troops to engage Taliban fighters in addition to al Qaeda.

A British banker accused in a double murder is fit to stand trial. Twenty-nine-year-old Rurik Jutting's trial has been adjourned until July, because prosecutors need more time to prepare their case. Jutting was charged earlier this month after police found the bodies of two women in his apartment in Hong Kong, one of them inside a suitcase on the balcony. So far, Jutting has not entered a plea.

Today, student leaders at the University of Virginia are speaking out about a growing sexual abuse controversy. This comes days after the UVA suspended all fraternity activities until January 9, following disturbing allegations of an apparent culture of sex assault. One student reports she was sexually assaulted by seven frat members. Be sure to stay with us. Later this hour, we're going to speak with two UVA students that are taking on that issue.

And did you see this? Amazing, incredible, unbelievable! There may not be enough superlatives to describe that catch made by Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. Sunday night. His team lost to the Cowboys. Oh, they lost, by the way. They are calling this leaping, twisting, one-handed touchdown grab the best ever. And it almost surely will be the catch every other great catch will be measured against going forward. Oh, my goodness.

CAMEROTA: He's limber.

PEREIRA: Yes, he is.

CUOMO: He's limber. Chris Collinsworth was the voice you heard there, saying, "That's amazing." He was an amazing receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals.

PEREIRA: Right. An amazing receiver.

CUOMO: We should keep showing this...

PEREIRA: Over and over and over.

CUOMO: ... just so you can understand, whether you love football, whether you played football, whether you're never touched a football, you can appreciate how amazing this is. He's running full speed. He has to turn. He reaches back over his head where he can't see the ball and grabs it in one hand.

PEREIRA: And what's amazing is, he doesn't need a chiropractor after that.

CUOMO: And he holds onto it. Probably going about 20 miles an hour.

CAMEROTA: He must do yoga.

PEREIRA: He must.

CAMEROTA: Because that was a back bend.

PEREIRA: It was. Namaste.

CUOMO: That's not what he does. It's not what it's about at all.

CAMEROTA: It's not? No yoga in football?

CUOMO: There's no yoga. That is just amazing athletic prowess. And it may be. The only thing it's missing to be the greatest catch ever, context. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't like the game was on the line; it was the last second.

PEREIRA: If the team had won.

CUOMO: Right.

CAMEROTA: That would have helped.

CUOMO: You know, or the giants.

CAMEROTA: He should try it blindfolded next time.

CUOMO: All right. On to meteorologist Indra Petersons. He shouldn't try that. Keeping track of the latest forecasts for us. What's the science, Science?

INDRA PETERSONS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Only a woman, right, will take it from football to yoga. I'm still laughing about this whole aspect here. Yes, Buffalo, we're definitely watching Buffalo today. Temperatures

expected to soar today, reaching to 60 degrees plus an additional rainfall is expected. So keep in mind the flooding concerns remain high there.

But by tomorrow, the pattern already switches. We're talking about a threat for snow and temperatures just dropping down to the 30s. If all this isn't bad enough, there's still talk about winds today gusting in the region, 50, even 60 miles per hour. So a lot to deal with in that region. It is at no point over just yet.

What are we watching in the Northeast? We're watching a front make its way through, so some showers will be in the forecast. On the back side of it, where you have the cold air. Snow showers today into the Midwest, so places like Wisconsin, Michigan, looking about five inches of snowfall. Up towards Marquette, about seven inches is expected.

So from here on forward, we have the cold front. It's bringing us the rain today. Temperatures, they are diving down. Look at D.C., 72 degrees today. Really -- yes, of course it doesn't last. Talking about 30s by the time you get through Wednesday. So once again, that roller coaster is going back down.

And it doesn't end there. We know it's the biggest travel day of the year. Watch this low. It's going to make its way up the coastline. It's all about where this low goes. It hangs close to the coastline or far away will depend on how much rain and even snow we could see in the forecast in all these major hubs.

And of course, that's not bad enough, so Chicago, we have to throw that in the mix, as well. We're going to be talking about a chance of flurries. Of course, I have to fly through the Northeast and Chicago. So that will be a fun day.

CAMEROTA: That's the flurries.

PETERSONS: The stress is already here.

CAMEROTA: I understand. At least you know what's coming.

PETERSONS: Yes, that's very true. I'll take that.

CAMEROTA: Thanks so much.

All right. Allegations of rape and sexual assault against Bill Cosby keep mounting. More than a dozen women coming forward. I spoke with one of Cosby's accusers. Why is she speaking out after 45 years? That's next.

CUOMO: And we will all shuffle back to Buffalo, because the only thing that's worse than seven feet of snow is all that snow melting in flash, as well. Where is all that water going to go? What can it do to that community? Can you be ready for something like this? We have a live report from up there. You're going to want to see it.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) CAMEROTA: In the past two weeks at least 15 women have come forward accusing comedian Bill Cosby of sexual assault or rape. Some of these women, like the one you're about to meet, kept the alleged assaults secret from their closest friends and family for decades.

Now, on social media, people are skeptical. Many have suggested the women are doing this for money or for fame. I sat down with Christina Ruehli for her first national interview. She says Cosby assaulted her in 1965. I asked her whether she has ever tried to get money for her story.

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CHRISTINA RUEHLI, ACCUSES COSBY OF SEXUAL ASSAULT: I am a very -- woman that's very comfortable financially. I'm really happy. I have everything. I don't want his money or anyone else's.

CAMEROTA: So then why are you coming forward?

RUEHLI: Two reasons: one, I don't like to see these other women who had similar experience called liars and trashed in the media when I know that I can speak for them. And the second reason, it was that it might encourage others, because I thought these are all new that I didn't know about, and there may be dozens or hundreds of other victims.

CAMEROTA (voice-over): Seventy-one-year-old Christina Ruehli says her encounter with Bill Cosby took place in 1965 when she was 22 years old, making hers the earliest known alleged case. She was working as a secretary at a talent agency, when she says Cosby invited her and several co-workers to a party at his house.

(on camera): You get to the party for the beginning of what you think will be...

RUEHLI: Think will be.

CAMEROTA: ... a party, and he prepares a cocktail for you?

RUEHLI: Yes. A bourbon and 7. That was sort of the standard thing for me to drink at that time.

CAMEROTA: You have two drinks?

RUEHLI: I had two drinks that I'm clear about.

CAMEROTA: And then what happened?

RUEHLI: I don't remember a thing. I -- it went blank. When you're in that kind of a foggy state, you don't think of anything but that you had drunk too much.

So I must have passed out again, because when I awakened again, I found myself on a bed.

CAMEROTA: And then what happened? RUEHLI: He was there. He had his shirt off and I believe he had his

pants off. It's pretty groggy, and he had his hand on the back of my head.

CAMEROTA (voice-over): She says he then tried to force her to perform oral sex.

RUEHLI: And so I lifted my head away. I think it surprised him. I lasted my head away and pulled myself away immediately, and I went into the bathroom and I threw up. And I know I threw up a couple of times. When I finished, I came out and he was gone.

CAMEROTA: Christy that believes it could have been worse, that Cosby could have raped her. A few months after the incident, she says she told her boyfriend at the time what happened.

(on camera): Did you tell anyone else other than your boyfriend?

RUEHLI: I might have. I might have, but it's something that something that sort of maybe you would tell your boyfriend but not girlfriends. Things were different. You talked about different things. You didn't talk about date rape with a girlfriend.

CAMEROTA: Did it over occur to you to go to the police?

RUEHLI: No, he had not injured me. What had he done? He had exposed himself to me, but this was the '60s. And it never occurred to me to go to the police. I just went on with my life.

CAMEROTA: People are skeptical...

RUEHLI: I know.

CAMEROTA: ... that Bill Cosby did this to you and to the other women. Bill Cosby was a likable, beloved celebrity...

RUEHLI: He was likable.

CAMEROTA: ... back in the '70s, '60s and '70s, so why did he have to resort to drugging women?

RUEHLI: I don't think he's very attractive or sexy. I guess that's just my viewpoint. Maybe he isn't adequate inside. But I've heard this was a routine of his all the time.

Rape is about power, not sex. Rape is about anger, not sex. And until he had the series "I Spy," which was the series that he had then, he was just a comedian. And the power that he pound found in his hands, he abused.

CAMEROTA (voice-over): In 2005, 40 years later, Christina read about another alleged victim, Andrea Costand. She'd filed a lawsuit against Cosby, and Christina wanted to help, becoming one of the 13 Jane Does in the case, which was settled for an undisclosed amount with Ms. Costand.

(on camera): So you basically volunteered...

RUEHLI: I did.

CAMEROTA: ... your services and your memory...

RUEHLI: Yes.

CAMEROTA: ... to this other lawsuit. But you did not stand to gain financially from being a part of it?

RUEHLI: Oh, no, I didn't need it. And I didn't need the aggravation. But I thought, what's the worst thing that can happen to me? That somebody calls me a liar?

CAMEROTA: I want to read you a statement from Bill Cosby's attorney. "Lawsuits are filed against people in the public eye every day. There has never been a shortage of lawyers willing to represent people with claims against rich, powerful men. So it makes no sense that not one of these new women who have just come forward for the first time now ever asserted a legal claim back at the time they allege they had been sexually assaulted."

RUEHLI: Well, lawyers can be hired by rich powerful men to speak for them when they are silent. That's my answer.

CAMEROTA (voice-over): Cosby's attorneys did not provide CNN with a response specific to Christina's claims.

(on camera): What do you think is going to happen next? Do you think that there is such a din now that's being created by these more than dozen women, yourself included, who have come forward, that he must respond?

RUEHLI: I think more will come forward. Whatever you follow here, it doesn't end with me.

CAMEROTA: Do you think it's time for Bill Cosby to come forward and say something?

RUEHLI: I do. I wish he had the courage. I wish he had the balls. Who would want 15 minutes of this kind of not fame, shame?

So I'm here, not that I think I'm this great courageous character person but to say to the others, who have come forward and who I hope will come forward, it's courageous -- it takes courage.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CAMEROTA: So much like all of the accusers that we've talked to, I found her credible. She makes -- she's very candid. She doesn't need money. She doesn't need, certainly, this notoriety, but she's doing it because, as we've heard from others, she wants to show solidarity with the other accusers.

PEREIRA: What a powerful statement: who would want this 15 minutes of shame? And that's a very good point: to come forward and have people tear you apart, call you all sorts of horrible names, people don't want that. So you have to be coming from a place where you feel you have something to say.

I find it's really interesting that we're seeing women in their 50s, their 60s, their now 70s coming forward with these stories.

CAMEROTA: Yes. It's as though they have nothing to lose now; now they have the courage to come forward. Their lives -- you know, they want to speak out for truth they say, now.

CUOMO: Well, this also hasn't been discussed a lot. So this may be the first time for a lot of these women that they're hearing the suggestion that Bill Cosby did this, being seen as unsubstantiated, maybe not true. And that could be motivating them.

For all the women who have come out, it takes a lot of bravery. We see the beating that they're taking in social media, if you care about social media.

But the lawyer who came out this weekend who said, "I made the payments to the girls for the thing" -- that was the strongest piece of contextual proof I've seen of the situation so far. Because people can dismiss all these women if they want. I don't know why they would. But they could. Why would he say that?

CAMEROTA: He says he said he made payments of thousands of dollars over the years, mostly for consensual relationships. Well, that was his argument.

CUOMO: But it just -- it shows this dynamic. Because you're never going to get that -- a prosecution of Bill Cosby on things past the statute of limitations.

PEREIRA: I like the way each of these women are saying, "I'm coming forward because I want to support those other women in that." And that's, you know, a really powerful statement.