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Israeli PM Criticizes Potential U.S.-Iran Nuclear Deal; Interview with Fmr. Ambassador Edward Djerejian; Federal Report on Racial Bias in Ferguson PD; Turkish Plane Skids Off Runway; Ben Carson's Controversial Gay Views; Clinton Defends Using Personal Email Account

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BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: This is a bad deal. It's a very bad deal.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES: The prime minister didn't offer any viable alternatives.

NEWT GINGRICH, FMR. SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: When we talk about national security, Israel talks about survival.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A Turkish Airlines flight skidded off a fog- covered runway.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The front area seems to have collapsed

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The State Department does not have all of Secretary Clinton's e-mails.

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The policy allows individuals to use their personal e-mail address.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the race to be president.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Ben Carson.

DR. BEN CARSON: A lot of people who go into prison, go into prison straight and when they come out they're gay. Did something happen while they were in there?

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota, and Michaela Pereira.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It's Wednesday, March 4th, just before 8:00 in the east. Angry words and tension between the U.S. and Israel now being pulled apart over Iran's nuclear ambitions. President Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu taking relations between the two allies to an all-time low, the flashpoint, the prime minister's controversial speech to congress, the president dismissing it as nothing new.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: But this morning Republicans plotting to turn around a bill that would give the Senate signoff powers on any nuclear agreement with Iran. The president already planning to block that. So we have complete coverage. Let's bring in CNN's senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta. What are they saying there, Jim?

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Alisyn, it is getting complicated over here. The White House knows the president may have a tougher selling job after the fiery speech FROM Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The president has to convince lawmakers up on Capitol Hill to loosen some of the sanctions that would come with any nuclear agreement with Iran, which is why the president presented his own 11-minute rebuttal to Netanyahu's speech from the Oval Office yesterday. The president dismissed the prime minister's speech as nothing new. Here's what he had to say.

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BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: On the core issue, which is how do we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, which would make it far more dangerous and would give it scope for even greater action in the region, the prime minister didn't offer any viable alternatives.

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ACOSTA: And now there's potential new complication for the Iran nuclear talks. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell made fast track a measure that would give the Senate the ability to sign off on the nuclear deal. A senior administration official told me last night the president would veto that legislation.

Meanwhile, the White House, they showed us what the president was up to during Netanyahu's speech. They offered up this picture of the president holding a video conference with other European leaders talking about the situation in Ukraine. But, Alisyn, make no mistake. If it was the prime minister's job up here on Capitol Hill to gum up the works when it comes to this nuclear agreement in Iran, it may be mission accomplished. There are a lot of skeptical Republicans and even a growing number of skeptical Democrats about this agreement.

CAMEROTA: It sure does sound like a possible mission accomplished. Thanks so much, Jim Acosta.

Netanyahu's speech was delivered on U.S. soil, of course, but his target audience may have been 6,000 miles away in Israel. Voters decide whether or not to replace him in less than two weeks. CNN's Oren Liebermann live from Israel for us. What's the latest there, Oren?

OREN LIEBERMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And of course, Alisyn, that speech made big news here, pretty much everybody watching, following it, and paying attention to it. not once did Netanyahu mention the elections, but there's certainly no doubt at all that he talked about Iran and security, which are his best subjects and his strongest topics going into these elections.

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LIEBERMANN: A split reaction in Israel over Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's impassioned speech to Congress on the dangers of a nuclear deal with Iran.

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: We've been told that no deal is better than a bad deal. Well, this is a bad deal. It's a very bad deal. We're better off without it.

LIEBERMANN: Critics of the speech calling it political theater, a non-starter offering no new viable alternative to a U.S.-Iran deal still being negotiated, but rather an attempt to woo Israeli voters in the crucial upcoming Israeli elections projected to be very close. Netanyahu's main rival slamming the speech as deepening the rift in already strained U.S.-Israeli relations.

ISAAC HERZON, HEAD OF THE ZIONIST UNION PARTY (via translator): The painful truth is that after the applause Netanyahu remained alone. This speech, therefore, greatly undermined the relationship between Israel and the United States.

LIEBERMANN: While supporters of the speech, which garnered dozens of standing ovations throughout, called it one of the best of the prime minister's career.

YUVAL STEINITZ, ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE MINISTER: I think it was a very important speech, historic speech, and it's very important that Israel speak up about its national security and what might affect its very existence.

LIEBERMANN: The divide in Israel mirrored in U.S. Congress itself, the GOP welcoming Netanyahu while some 50 Democrats boycotted the speech altogether.

NETANYAHU: Even if Israel has to stand alone, Israel will stand.

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LIEBERMANN: Netanyahu landed back on Israeli soil a few hours ago. His office put out a statement immediately. That statement reads in part, "I presented a practical alternative which would impose tougher restrictions on Iran's nuclear program, extending Iran's breakout time by years."

Chris, the wording there is certainly no coincidence. Practical alternative is a direct response to President Barack Obama.

CUOMO: It's very clear these two are at odds with each other. What's not clear is what's the way forward.

Let's bring in Edward Djerejian, the former U.S. ambassador to Israel and Syria, now director of the James Baker Institute at Rice University. Ambassador, thank you for joining us. I know that you are a diplomat, and yet I must ask this. Do you agree that negotiating with Iran is the right move?

EDWARD DJEREJIAN, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO ISRAEL AND SYRIA: I do believe that. I think we have to give diplomacy a chance here. What President Obama and his administration have decided is to engage Iran strategically on this critical nuclear issue to determine whether an agreement can be reached, a real deal, not a false deal, that would cap Iran's nuclear capabilities, that would put into place a very intrusive inspections regime under the aegis of the international atomic agency.

Let's not forget, Chris, that Iran is a member of the nonproliferation treaty, and under that treaty it has, according to the treaty, one of its articles, the right to have, develop, research a civilian, peaceful nuclear program. What's interesting in Netanyahu's presentation is that while he didn't use these words, he just said that this deal will give Iran multiple nuclear weapons. He is getting to the very heart of the administration strategy, saying no nuclear enrichment, no 10-year timeline, you need a higher time line, and that sanctions should not be linked to any deal but to Iran's overall policies in the region -- terrorism, relations with its neighbors and relations with Israel.

CUOMO: Do you believe that the prime minister did offer a practical alternative, or is more sanctions and deny everything you've said for the last 20 years, is that a nonstarter?

DJEREJIAN: I think it's a nonstarter. I mean, the purpose of Bibi Netanyahu coming was to bring a considerable political pressure through the Congress on the administration to not do this deal. He made a very forceful, excellent presentation. He's a great orator. But fundamentally he is saying this is not a deal that should be consummated by the administration. And he did not provide a viable alternative going forward. He did not say here's a deal that Israel and the United States can work on. Here are the parameters of a deal that Israel thinks would be acceptable to it and perhaps the United States. I didn't hear that.

CUOMO: What is the outcome or the fallout of this dispute between these two men? Is it just two men differing? Is it two leaders of two countries differing? Is it two countries differing?

DJEREJIAN: Chris, it's both. The United States is a global power. We have our national security interests. Israel is a very strong regional power. It has its interests. It looks upon Iran as an existential threat. The United States looks upon Iran as a real regional threat, but as a global power the United States has its own interests and is pursuing its interests by engaging in a strategic negotiation with Iran.

This is not the first time that the United States and Israel have seen the region in different terms. We can remember U.S. support and military equipment to Saudi Arabia which the Israelis in the past opposed. So this is not the first time we're having a substantive dispute with Israel, a very close ally, one of our closest allies in the world. So that's not new. But it's based on a policy difference. The president feels very strongly that a strategic negotiation and agreement with Iran is better than the alternatives, which would be increased sanctions and the possibility of going to war. And Netanyahu doesn't see it that way.

CUOMO: Well, the concern is about an arms race, right? I mean, you know, one of the weaker arguments is, well, Israel has nukes, why shouldn't Iran be able to have them? The answer to that is because Israel hasn't made outward gestures that it wants to erase any memory of Iran from the face of the earth. But where do you draw the line in terms of who has these weapons and who doesn't because it seems to be a very sticky business and only getting worse?

DJEREJIAN: Well, U.S. policy is to really stop any state getting nuclear weapons. We all already have, you know, about seven states that have -- declared states that have nuclear weapons. Israel has not declared that it has nuclear weapons, but everyone assumes that it is a nuclear weapons state.

Under the nonproliferation treaty, again, any country that signs up to it has the right to develop civilian peaceful nuclear energy. The trick there is to control that civilian program no matter what country it is in in order for it to not break out and become a nuclear weapon state. So the -- there's always a danger that Iran could become, if there is an agreement, a threshold state, and what that means is like, for example, Japan, in a short period of time it could transform its civilian nuclear capabilities into a weapons program. That would have to be inspected, and if that happened, then the international community would have to take the necessary measures, which are always there.

CUOMO: Now I guess the next issue that we'll have to follow will be whether or not Netanyahu while not convincing the president did functionally the same thing by getting into Congress's head about this because now they may be what stops the president from moving forward. Ambassador, thank you very much for the perspective, much needed and appreciated. Alisyn?

DJEREJIAN: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: OK, Chris, a scathing justice department report triggering new outrage in Ferguson, Missouri, this morning. The fed's investigation of police practices reveals a widespread pattern of discrimination against African-Americans. The full report will be released this morning. CNN's Sara Sidner is live for us in Ferguson. Do we know what it says, Sara?

SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We're expecting the DOJ report to focus in on traffic stops and racial discrimination in those traffic stops. I want to give you a look at some of the statistics that we think will be inside of that report. They are basically saying between 2012 and 2014 the statistics show that while the population was 67 percent, 85 percent of all the people subject to vehicle stops by Ferguson police were black, and 90 percent of those who received citations were black. And that's not all. I mean, there are more numbers there that are pretty damming if you look at the statistics in comparison with the population. But there is also something else that was brought out that has really gotten people angry, and that is some of the e-mails the Department of Justice says they found either in the court system or at the department, one of which made a racist joke about the president and a woman. The one about the president was basically saying, well, you know, President Obama won't be in office long because blacks aren't known to hold jobs for as long as four years. And so those kinds of comments have really angered folks. I want to let you listen to what someone from the Ferguson commission has said about this, this is the government-appointed commission member.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If they would say that about the president of the United States, what do you think they would say about poor black men and poor black women living in a racialized area of this city? It is disgusting and it should be dealt with harshly.

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SIDNER: And one of the ways that people are asking for it to be dealt with is to disband the department or to have the police chief resign at the very least. That's what we're hearing from some of the members who have been out here protesting. I've been covering this story for seven months, and I can tell you, though, that the Ferguson police department and the city has been cooperating with the DOJ and we are expected to hear from city officials after we hear the final and official report from the Department of Justice in just a couple of hours. Back to you guys, Michaela.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Sara Sidner, thank you for that.

Hillary Clinton's camp slamming "The New York Times" report about her exclusive use of personal e-mails at the State Department. While Clinton made no mention of the flak during a speech last night, well, Republicans certainly had plenty to say. CNN senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar joins us live from Washington with the latest reaction. Good morning to you, Brianna.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Michaela. Republicans are just hammering Hillary Clinton on this. A Clinton aide telling me there was nothing nefarious at play with her using solely a personal e-mail account instead of a state department e-mail account while she was secretary of state, but it's certainly unusual, and there are many Republicans but more importantly critics questioning why someone would do this unless it was to exert tight control over e-mails that are supposed to be housed in a government system, suggesting that at least when it comes to the spirit of the law governing these records that that was violated in this case.

You talk to Clinton supporters and they say, oh, this is not a big deal. This is just sort of a manufactured crisis. And you do have to note that they have certainly been through a lot worse over the years in this.

But the big question is going to be does this matter to voters? As Hillary Clinton now is maybe just weeks out from starting her campaign, it's really too soon to tell, but it certainly plays into an existing narrative that Hillary Clinton is someone who really values her privacy to the point of maybe being even sneaky here or skirting the rules. Chris?

CUOMO: And the Benghazi theories are back with a vengeance as well. Brianna, thank you very much.

So, authorities have a suspect in custody for a shooting that damaged a building near the NSA headquarters in Fort Mead Tuesday. Earlier in the day, a landscaping truck came under fire. No one was seriously hurt in either incident. Investigators do say the suspect may be linked to three other shootings in just the past eight days.

CAMEROTA: Amazing pictures taken immediately after a Turkish airlines flight skids off a fog-covered runway in Nepal with more than 200 people on board.

CNN's Sumnina Udas is live in New Delhi following the latest for us. What happened?

SUMNINA UDAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Alisyn, it's something so many of us fear, don't we? A crash landing. And the pictures are really quite amazing, especially in places like Kathmandu, which is relatively high altitude, surrounded by very, very high mountains. We're talking about the Himalayas, eight of the ten highest mountains in the world are here.

Normally, this is a time when a lot of climbers, a lot of trekkers from all over the world go to Nepal to view the Himalayas. But this time, there seems to be a bit of a change in the weather. It's been raining nonstop so a lot of the officials are blaming this on low visibility.

One of the passengers there telling us that the plane circled around Kathmandu Valley several times trying to land and the second attempt crash landed and that those are the pictures we're seeing, crash landed onto the runway and on to that grass area.

Now investigators are looking into exactly what happened. One Turkish official has said that there could have been a technical problem as well, but the remarkable thing is all passengers and all the crew members have been rescued and no injuries have been reported.

PEREIRA: We are so glad to hear that. What a sight to behold.

Thanks so much for that, Sumnina.

So, we know 40 days of Lent are typically a time of sacrifice and reflection for Christians. But rather than give something up, a married mother of two, Jesse Egan of Illinois is walking in the footsteps of her Muslim friends by wearing a hijab. She says she wanted to remind herself what appears like to be a, quote-unquote, "outsider" and to help her friends who are white Christians learn how to see a difference and embrace it. She said she wanted to remind others of Christianity's teachings of love.

CAMEROTA: What a fascinating experience.

PEREIRA: I would love to talk to her.

CUOMO: I hope it doesn't wind up being an ugly lesson for her.

PEREIRA: She had some, but she's staying strong.

CUOMO: That's -- I gave up for Lent.

PEREIRA: You gave up?

CAMEROTA: Gave up.

You gave up lent?

CUOMO: I'll never give up.

I gave up booze, which was a huge mistake, but also we try to make sure that --

CAMEROTA: For us or for you?

CUOMO: We also make sure that we try to do something. You're supposed to try to do something affirmative.

PEREIRA: Yes. Yes.

CUOMO: That's why what she's doing is very spot on.

PEREIRA: Not just a self-sacrifice.

CUOMO: Not just diet time.

CAMEROTA: What are you doing for others?

CUOMO: Some would say not drinking.

CAMEROTA: That's right.

CUOMO: But it's not helping me, I'll tell you that right now.

CAMEROTA: All right. That's great.

Well, meanwhile, outspoken conservative Ben Carson makes it official. He's formed a presidential exploratory committee. But could his views on gay people derail his Oval Office ambitions before they even start?

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CUOMO: You think being gay is a choice? DR. BEN CARSON, AUTHOR, "ONE NATION": Absolutely.

CUOMO: Why do you say that?

CARSON: Because a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight and when they come out, they're gay.

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CAMEROTA: That was Chris's interview with GOP presidential hopeful Dr. Ben Carson, saying he believes that not only is being gay a choice but that prison can turn people gay. How will this comments affect his campaign?

Let's bring in Paul Begala. He's our CNN political commentator and Democratic strategist. He's also a senior adviser to the super PAC Priorities USA Action, which supported President Obama in the last election, and he is expected to support Hillary Clinton in the 2016 race.

And Anna Navarro, she's CNN political commentator and Republican strategist. She worked for Governor Jeb Bush and is a supporter of his.

So, you guys are the perfect people to talk about the 2016 race.

CUOMO: For many reasons.

CAMEROTA: For many reasons.

Paul, let me start with you. What do you think of Dr. Carson's comments on homosexuality?

PAUL BEGALA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: He's a medical doctor, OK? And I'm not so, you know, it's an eccentric view, certainly. I will say this pulling the lens back, obviously that comment, I think, was unintentionally really hurtful and ignorant, but he does speak. I travel around a lot.

Dr. Carson speaks for a lot of the Republican base. I would not rule him out. I know he says that this was a very unfortunate, I think, almost nutty comment, but I would not rule him out. I think he could really impress people in the Iowa caucuses.

CUOMO: Anna, defend your people. Do you believe that Republicans think that being gay is a choice in any significant numbers?

ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You know, I think there are some people, not only Republicans who think being gay is a choice. I don't think being gay is a choice. I can tell you that I joined over 250 prominent Republicans this week in signing an amicus brief in support of marriage equality at the Supreme Court.

And, look, frankly I think Ben Carson should not have been led down this path, should not have gone down this path. This is one of the things he's got to learn as he's running for president. If you're running for president, talk about ISIS, talk about the economy. Please do not talk about prison sex and don't make me talk it at 8:20 in the morning.

So, Ben, darling, turn off Netflix, stop watching "Orange is the New Black", go we work it out with Laverne Cox, and let's talk about the issues facing this country.

CAMEROTA: But, Ana, what do you think about his presidential bid? Does it have any effect?

NAVARRO: No, it probably doesn't. The people that support Ben Carson are probably not terribly bothered by this and they're going to think that it was a Christopher Cuomo gotcha question.

CUOMO: Don't put it on me, Navarro. I'm changing topics.

Begala, you have trouble of your own --

NAVARRO: Thank God.

CUOMO: Hillary Clinton and these e-mails smells bad. You make the case for why it doesn't -- it's not a big deal.

BEGALA: Well, she obeyed the law. She obeyed the regulations. She followed the same practice as her predecessors from the Bush administration. We all remember the Republicans freaking out when they learned that President Bush's secretaries of state used private e-mail accounts. Oh, wait, they didn't.

It's completely partisan. This is not -- believe me, they're not one voter in America is going to base her vote or his vote on whether Hillary had an archival compliant e-mail system. That's not what the next presidential election is going to be about. It's just --

CUOMO: But it's a narrative that the Clintons don't play by the rules. It's not my opinion, but you know it's a narrative. And when they find out that not only was she using a private email, it wasn't like hillaryrocks@gmail.com, she had her own domain and she her own server had her home that were sending those out.

It does show that this was a systematic approach to keep these quiet. That's been reported where, the "AP" has it.

BEGALA: The systematic approach is every time she did government business that was to a government employee and that was kept in a State Department server. That's what the law required.

CUOMO: Do we know if that's true?

BEGALA: Well, we'll certainly see. My guess as a Republicans, they're going to investigate this on the Hill.

CUOMO: And should they?

BEGALA: Politically, no. This is a disaster for -- I hope they do politically, but if I were a Republican, of course not. They need to talk about jobs once in a while, talk about foreign

policy, talk about real issues.

But no, what Hillary did was completely compliant. It's exactly what everybody else has done who's had that job and Republicans are now hyperventilating one hour and wetting the bed the next. So, get them a brown paper bag or Depends or something.

CAMEROTA: Wow. You're welcome over your breakfast cereal, America.

Anna --

NAVARRO: Right.

CAMEROTA: Anna, do you think this is all on the up and up?

NAVARRO: Listen, since Paul is such a huge Willie Nelson fan, let me just say that this feels like we are on the road again with the Clintons. It's got familiarity to it and it does need a narrative which is part of the problem for Hillary Clinton here.

We've got it on the same week we are talking about foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation, that we're talking about business deals that may or may not have been vetted by the State Department, foreign donations that may or may not have been vetted by the State Department. And now, this.

Actually, it wasn't Republicans who freaked out when Republicans didn't use official e-mails, it was Democrats, including you and my friend, Paul, John Podesta, who was very critical when some of the Bus folks did not use official emails and he's now the guy that's going to run Hillary Clinton's campaign.

So, yes, it's a problem because it feeds the narrative that they're a little tricky, they're a little slick, they don't really follow the rules. Rules are for the little people but they're not for the Clintons.

CAMEROTA: Paul, just help us understand this. Why would she run her own e-mail server possibly out of her home in Chappaqua. Why not use a government e-mail? Why did she do that?

BEGALA: It's not like she was doing it herself. I doubt very strongly she was down in the basement hooking up routers.

CAMEROTA: Well, somebody was doing it in her house, according to the "AP".

BEGALA: Of course. Of course. She had -- I won't say -- she had a BlackBerry. She went into the government and she kept the blackberry which was exactly what her predecessors had done. And this is kind of human nature, like what was the prior practice --

CAMEROTA: That's the device, Paul, you're talking about.

BEGALA: Right. CAMEROTA: We're talking about something bigger. There was a bigger

systemic, as Chris said, issue where it was her own e-mail server. The people who do this are either tech geeks or people who don't want all the material on their ever seen by somebody else.

BEGALA: No, no, but see, it was all -- first off, she's turned over 50,000 pages of e-mails to the Republicans on the Hill. This is why we even know that she had this e-mail account. So, she has broadly complied with all the requests that have been made of her.

And, you know, I think everybody in the government should use a government e-mail account, I really do. But then again, she was secretary of state when WikiLeaks came out. Cables had been compromised so it's not like -- by the way, we haven't seen any of her private e-mails hacked or compromised, so we don't know it was any worse.

CUOMO: Anna, let me --

NAVARRO: Paul, you're asking us --

CUOMO: Go ahead.

NAVARRO: You're asking us to trust that she and the Clinton, you know, cronies machine has turned this over. We don't know this because the only people who looked at this were her people.

BEGALA: It's not true.

NAVARRO: I think another of the problems that comes out of this is that, you know, there's got to have been people in State Department because God knows they've got enough legal folks there, pointy headed lawyers pointing out what the legal and non-legal things are that must have raised red flags at some point.

BEGALA: If they had violated --

NAVARRO: For four years, she sent e-mails from a private e-mail account and there's nobody who could have said to her, hey, Hillary, you know what, maybe you should follow the rule and the rule established says this, that you should be preserving the e-mails and should be using an official account?

CAMEROTA: All right, guys.

CUOMO: Where was a moral giant like Paul Begala to say, this doesn't smell right, let's do it the right way? Where was the rectitude, Mr. Begala?

BEGALA: They did it the right way.

NAVARRO: She needs a Paul gala to tell her, that doesn't say yes every time.

CAMEROTA: All right, guys.

BEGALA: Legions of pointy headed lawyers that said it was compliant with the law.

CAMEROTA: All right.

CUOMO: I'm a pointy headed lawyer.

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NAVARRO: Listen, darling --

CAMEROTA: Paul, Ana, great to talk to you. Thanks a lot.

CUOMO: Why do I always get insulted?

CAMEROTA: Because you have a pointy head.

PEREIRA: Yes.

CUOMO: That's hurt.

PEREIRA: You had to ask that?

CUOMO: That's hurt.

PEREIRA: All right, ahead here, we are going to hear from the father of the ISIS terrorist dubbed "Jihadi John." Wait until you hear the shocking things he says about his son. Will it give us more insight into the masked man we've seen on those ISIS videos?

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