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Badly Damaged Voice Recorder Recovered; 8-Minute Descent Key Mystery in Crash; U.S. Lawmakers Dismiss Israeli Spying Report; Ted Cruz to Sign up for Obamacare. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired March 25, 2015 - 06:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The crash site, a picture of horror.

[05:59:02] RICHARD QUEST, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: We have no idea what happened.

MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: There was no mayday call. Why would the pilot continue to descend into the Alps?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All 150 souls on board presumed lost.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody could believe it, really. You don't want to understand it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We've taken steps to insure that the negotiations remain private.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: U.S. officials complaining that Israel is spying on the Iranian nuclear talks and leaking details to Congress.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If they were sharing information, it wasn't on our side of the aisle.

DANA BASH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So you will be getting Obamacare?

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, I'll get my insurance through my job.

BASH: That means you are going to take a government subsidy?

CRUZ: I believe we should follow the text of the law.

BASH: The law that you want to repeal?

CRUZ: Yes.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY, with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR, "NEW DAY": Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It's Wednesday, March 25th, 6:00 in the east. The horrible reality now revealed -- in the French Alps, helicopters back in the air searching for victims and what little is left of the plane.

Here's what's clear -- that Germanwings plane literally disintegrated on impact.

[06:00:03] But from there, the mystery only grows. Investigators still trying to figure out how it crashed mid-flight, taking all 150 lives with it. The all-important voice recorder was recovered, but badly damaged.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: French authorities analyzing it now, hoping to find out whatever caused the jet to descend 32,000 feet in just eight minutes with no distress signal from the cockpit.

Germanwings forced to cancel other flights yesterday after some crew members expressed concerns about getting on board, this as family members of the victims head to the crash site.

We have this story covered the way only CNN can. Let's begin with senior international correspondent Nic Robertson. He is near the crash site in the French Alps.

What's the scene there, Nic?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Alisyn, a scene of activity this morning, the helicopters moving quite frequently. We've seen a lot of French police helicopters, the occasional Italian helicopter flying in here.

The interior minister here saying that the operations were delayed and slowed overnight. The recovery operations now appear to be in full swing. The interior minister spokesman saying that right now the focus and the effort is all towards recovering the victims of the crash.

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ROBERTSON (voice-over): This morning, thousands of feet up in the French Alps, recovery of the obliterated Germanwings Flight 9525 continues. The crash site, a picture of horror, says Germany's foreign minister. Wreckage from the plane strewn across nearly ten acres of rocky terrain. All 150 souls on board, including 16 school children and two babies, presumed lost.

A storm front pushing rain and possibly snow into the higher elevations today may hinder the recovery effort.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mountain weather often creates clouds, it's a very challenging situation for the rescuers.

ROBERTSON: Around 10 a.m. local time Tuesday, the Airbus 320 was on the ground in Barcelona, its takeoff delayed by nearly 30 minutes. The company says it was air traffic control issues, not the plane itself that delayed departure. Once in the air around 10:45 a.m., headed towards Dusseldorf, Germany.

The plane reached a cruising altitude of 38,000 feet. Then, suddenly, Flight 9525 descended rapidly for eight minutes, the pilots making no distress signal.

DEBORAH HERSMAN, FORMER NTSB PRESIDENT: There was a controlled descent. It doesn't appear that it was a loss of control in flight.

We don't know if there was problems with their equipment, with their radios.

ROBERTSON: At 6,000 feet the Germanwings flight lost contact with French radar, crashing into the side of this mountain. The flight's cockpit voice recorder has been recovered but is damaged, according to the French interior ministry, who are now reconstructing the elements.

"It's devastating," says the CEO of Germanwings' parent company. "There are very small pieces of debris, which let you deduce the energy with which the plane hit the ground."

Now some Germanwings crew are reluctant to fly, horrified after this mysterious crash, the airline forced to cancel a small number of flights.

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ROBERTSON: So it's on this field here that the first -- the first -- the victims' bodies will be brought back to by the helicopters. It is French police with mountaineering equipment that are being dropped into the site to secure it. And again, the interior ministry spokesman saying right now the priority: to recover the bodies of the victims -- Chris.

CUOMO: And Nic, we do know they're making a massive human effort on that level. About 200 or so on the team now, expected to get to about 500. Again, that terrain very forbidding there and slowing things up.

We'll check back in with Nic in a little bit.

Now, 150 people were on that doomed flight, and they came from nearly 20 countries. There were a group of German schoolkids on board, as well as dozens of victims believed to have come from Spain.

So let's get to CNN's Karl Penhaul, who's live just outside Barcelona this morning. That's where 9525 originated -- Karl.

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, absolutely, Chris. And we're at a village here just north of Barcelona, and this is where 16 German secondary schoolkids had spent the last week in a language and cultural exchange program. Those kind of programs are so common across Europe. You drop into classes in Spain, learn a little bit of the language, stay with a host family, and friendships are forged. Friendships that could last a lifetime.

And it was here now -- here now that students are having to come to terms with the loss of friends. This was the return leg, because Spanish students, three weeks ago, were in Germany. And so over the last few minutes in a short simple and very private ceremony, friends, parents and teachers have been remembering those German friends who are now dead.

[06:05:10] But of course, it wasn't just Germans, nor just Spaniards who were on board that flight. Lufthansa is now trying to put together a list of the numbers of nationalities that were on board. I counted at least eight or nine different nationalities. Besides the Germans, the Spaniards, we've counted Mexicans, Argentinians, Colombians, Japanese, Australians. This is a tragedy that is transcending nations and generations.

Because also remember Barcelona, a very cosmopolitan city. It is a tourist center, people coming for vacation and also for short weekend breaks; retirees from northern Europe coming down here, looking for a bit of winter sun. It's also a commercial hub, as well. And we understand that some of the people on board that flight were also businessmen heading to trade fairs in Germany.

Back to you, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Karl, just terribly, terribly sad. Thank you for that report.

We want to bring in now Mary Schiavo. She's a CNN aviation analyst and former inspector-general of the Department of Transportation.

Good morning, Mary.

SCHIAVO: Good morning.

CAMEROTA: I know you've had a chance now to look over the available data. What stands out to you about this crash?

SCHIAVO: Well, to me what stands out are two things. One, that there was no radio communication, no distress call, no mayday, no squawking of any transponder codes to indicate a problem was going on. So no communication. And that there was no deviation in the path. Once whatever happened at 38,000 feet occurred, the plane continued on a descent with no change in direction, no deviation up and down.

So you know, based on prior crashes that I've worked on, it certainly sounds like they either had some sort of a loss of capacitation of the pilots, or a loss of the ability to steer, control, change the pitch or the attitude of the plane, if you will, or the direction. So there have been accidents like this in the past, but they're quite rare at this altitude.

CAMEROTA: In fact, as we understand it, there were two other airports that were close to the flight path that, if there was an emergency, the pilots could have deviated to. And the fact that they didn't do that, it does speak to your theory of incapacitation.

SCHIAVO: Right. And you know, there have been accidents in the past, crashes in the past -- I'm remembering Alaska Air back in 2000 -- where they had a problem with the plane, and they passed up some airports. And they were doing an in-flight, en route trouble shut is what we'll call it. And there was a lot of discussion after that, and pilots were instructed, you know, take the first available runway if you've got a problem. Don't try to fix it in the air.

So I think pilots are pretty well-trained to take an airport if they've got a problem, not try to fix something in the air. And I think if they knew it and they had the ability to go back to that airport, they would have.

CAMEROTA: What causes pilot incapacitation?

SCHIAVO: Well, usually, not usually -- it's rare. But there are a couple of things. One is if you have a rapid decompression, and the pilots are not able to get on their auxiliary oxygen masks fast enough. Or that it's just such a catastrophic depressurization, depending on where the -- you know, where it occurred in the plane, and so they pass out. Hypoxia, lack of oxygen.

The second reason could be some kind of a smoke or a fume event, a fire on board, which again, the pilots have emergency oxygen, but sometimes it's so quick, and the plane can fill up with smoke and fumes from a fire very quickly. So those are the two things that have happened in the past.

CAMEROTA: The European Air Safety Commission recently issued a warning about something they discovered that could put a plane into a descent. Do you know anything about this?

SCHIAVO: Yes. What they had looked at -- and the United States Federal Aviation Administration also flagged this -- but what they looked at was it was an attitude indicator. In other words, it tells you if your -- to put it really simply, if your plane's nose is up or down, what is the exact position of your plane with respect to the horizon. Are you pitched up? Or are you pitched down?

And this is a tube on the port of the plane, on the side of the plane, and it reads this by having air flow into the plane. And there were some problems with others. Air France 447 also had some indication that there might have been these tube problems. And one is called a pitot tube, and the other is a port that takes in information.

And the airline, though, did come out with a statement, saying that they had made those changes to this plane and other planes in their fleet. That they had done their changeover on the fleet to comply with this warning. Whether that's true or not, of course, the French BEA, the investigators will find that out, because the first thing they do, in addition to try to assess if there are any survivors, is start grabbing the records of the maintenance of that plane.

CAMEROTA: We know that both black boxes have been found -- they've been recovered -- but the voice recorder is damaged. Does that mean that they will not be able to get information off it?

SCHIAVO: Not necessarily. And it's a good thing it was on land. If it had been damaged, if the heavy, heavy container -- it's sealed up in a very heavy metal box, and it's capable of withstanding tremendous impact. But not all impact. And had it been underwater, for example, and had saltwater damage, in addition to having the casing breached, it can be very difficult. What they're going to try to do, of course, is get any kind of data off of that that they can.

But if it's a mechanical, the flight data recorder, I feel very confident, will have it. Because it literally records hundreds of parameters of data. It will have the air speed, the attitude, the positioning of the engines, the positions on the engines, how, what were they set at. And just all sorts of data.

It looks kind of like a very extensive EKG. You know, you have an EKG at the doctor, and you have these lines of data running across the paper. That's what it looks like when you print out a flight data recorder, and then, of course, experts are able to take each piece of that and reconstruct the flight to see exactly what was going on. So as long as the flight data recorder is intact, I think that they will solve this mystery very quickly. Very sad mystery, but they will figure it out.

CAMEROTA: And quickly, Mary, Germanwings had to cancel several flights yesterday, because flight crews didn't want to get back on board. Is that -- certainly, we can all understand the feeling of being overwhelmed by emotion. Is that true on American airlines as well? Have you seen -- is that commonplace?

SCHIAVO: It's not commonplace, but this is a very -- you know, a very strange mystery.

I think that probably the closest analogy is, back about -- oh, it's probably about 20 years, and we had an odd situation on 737s -- older 737s, not the current ones that are flying -- but on 737, I think 200 model. And there were mysterious, what they called hard-overs. The plane would make a dramatic veering. It was a rudder hard-over. And no one could solve the mystery. It remained one of the largest unsolveds for a long time, and people were very skittish about that.

Back in the late '80s, early '90s, people were skittish about the DC- 10, because it had an engine loss over Chicago. Literally, an engine fell off, not an engine shut down.

But to actually refuse to fly, no. But when you think about it, if this is your plane, and this is a huge mystery why this would happen -- I mean, to -- on a clear day, the pilots, if conscious, would have seen the mountains. So we know that they didn't intentionally, or they couldn't do this -- if there was any way to control the plane, they would have changed the course of direction. So it's a very frightful thought to a pilot, and I can certainly understand their -- the emotion.

CAMEROTA: It is all so troubling. Thanks so much for helping us understand some of it, Mary. Nice to see you.

Let's get over to Michaela.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Alisyn. We'll get back to our top story, but other news that we're keeping an eye on. Somewhat predictably, certain members of Congress are dismissing a "Wall Street Journal" report that basically -- that they basically benefitted from Israel's spying on U.S. nuclear talks with Iran. President Obama, for his part, not commenting. However, the administration is reportedly not happy that classified information was shared.

CNN's Michelle Kosinski live at the White House this morning. Not commenting, but is there a connection between recent tension and what White House knew was going on?

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: I mean, there really seems to be. And even the way this came up in the press is weird. I mean, this is now leaks about the leaks in nuclear talks with Iran. Allegations of spying that were allegedly discovered through spying.

But it's not even the spying that has the administration questioning or particularly upset. It's the putting out there of sensitive information, seen as further damaging this relationship.

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KOSINSKI (voice-over): Did Israel spy on its allies' negotiations with Iran? That's what anonymous official sources quoted in "The Wall Street Journal" are accusing: full-on eavesdropping on communications and pulling sensitive details out of informants, all allegedly discovered by the U.S., in turn, spying on Israel.

Publicly, the administration won't talk about it.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't comment on intelligence matters in a big room full of reporters.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're not going to comment on intelligence matters.

KOSINSKI: Israel denies it, calling the allegations "utterly false. The state of Israel does not conduct espionage against the United States or Israel's other allies," which in itself is interesting, since it's well-known that allies does spy. And Israel isn't denying spying on Iran, which allies are working directly with.

But the U.S. officials in the article are most angry about what they say was Israel's sharing of confidential details with Congress, which members of Congress deny.

REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Frankly, I was a bit shocked, because there was no information revealed to me whatsoever. I'm baffled by it.

REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA), HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: And in none of those cases have the Israelis discussed with me anything that I would consider classified or even all that sensitive.

KOSINSKI: We heard that again and again from a number of members, some of whom suspect it's the White House that used that article to add another slam on Israel's attempts to derail a deal with Iran. OBAMA: This can't be reduced to a matter of somehow, let's all hold

hands and sing "Kumbaya." This is a matter of figuring out how do we get through a real knotty policy difference that has great consequences for both countries and for the region.

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[06:15:12] KOSINSKI: You know, a couple of weeks ago, we started to see these leaks come out of the talks. Very specific details. Things like the negotiation -- negotiators were looking for a ten-year timeframe on a potential deal, that there was a one-year breakout period, the approximate number of centrifuges, this seemed to take the White House by surprise. They clearly blamed Israel, saying that putting information out there like that betrays the trust between allies. And that's not how allies are supposed to behave -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: It sounds like that is true. Michelle, thanks so much for that.

Let's talk presidential politics, because one of the biggest crusaders against Obamacare now signing up for Obamacare. GOP presidential candidate Senator Ted Cruz says he is simply following the law.

CNN's chief congressional correspondent, Dana Bash, sat down one-on- one with Senator Cruz. Fascinating interview.

BASH: It was. Look, I actually wanted to ask this question because on CNN.com, M.J. Lee had reported that Ted Cruz was needing health insurance. Because he was getting it from his wife's company, Goldman Sachs. She was leaving to help him with his campaign. So I just asked the simple question, "How are you going to get insurance?" And this was his answer.

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CRUZ: So she's taking an unpaid leave of absence from her job. And so we're transitioning. We'll be getting new health insurance. And we'll presumably do it through my job in the Senate, and so we'll be on the federal exchange, like millions of others, on the federal exchange.

BASH: So you will be getting Obamacare, effectively.

CRUZ: It is one of the good things about Obamacare, is that the statute provided that members of Congress would be on the exchanges without subsidies, just like millions of Americans. So there wouldn't be a double standard.

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BASH: So frankly, I didn't expect him to say that. I didn't know what the answer was going to be. I thought maybe he would say, "We would do COBRA," which a lot of people do when they leave their job. They extend their health insurance.

CAMEROTA: His wife's insurance. BASH: His wife's insurance. Certainly, you can buy insurance through the private sector, outside of the exchange, through the individual market. Their campaign argues that the individual market is decimated because of Obamacare.

So you know, he's investigating this and looking into it. Afterwards he was pretty clear, firm that he was doing Obamacare afterwards. His people were like, "Well, he's still considering it." So...

CAMEROTA: And you also asked if he would be taking the sort of -- so- called subsidy or employer contribution. Something like $1,000 for a family, per month that you get from the federal government. Did he answer if he would be accepting that?

BASH: He didn't answer when I asked that question. But his campaign got back to me afterwards and said, "No, he is not going to do it." A lot of Republicans who do take Obamacare, because that is the law of the land, kind of protest by saying, "At least we're not going to take the employer contribution," which is effectively a federal subsidy.

CAMEROTA: Well, it was a fascinating interview. We're going to be debating it later on, on NEW DAY. Thanks so much, Dana. Good to see you.

BASH: You, too.

CAMEROTA: Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right. President Obama now says 9,800 U.S. troops will stay in Afghanistan through the end of the year. The administration had planned to reduce that number to 5,500 in the same timeframe. The revisal of the troop drawdown comes at the request of Afghanistan's new president, Ashraf Ghani. He is wrapping up his first official visit to the U.S. Later this morning, he is set to address a joint meeting of Congress.

CUOMO: Today the U.S. will lead much-needed airstrikes in Tikrit to take out remaining ISIS positions. Surveillance and reconnaissance air missions began Tuesday. This is the first time the Iraqi government has asked for American assistance in the region. An offensive up until now waged largely by Shiite militia with backing from Iran. The snag here has been that the U.S. position is, it does not coordinate directly with Iran.

CAMEROTA: Secret Service director Joe Clancy gets another earful from angry lawmakers criticizing him for not letting agents testify about a March 4 incident, where two agents allegedly drove a government vehicle through a bomb threat investigation and nudged a barrier after a night of drinking.

Lawmakers also got their first look at surveillance video of the incident from the Washington Metropolitan Police Department. The Secret Service footage of the incident has been not been released.

PEREIRA: The footage will be key, right?

CAMEROTA: Sure. What's the difference, did you push a barrier out of the way, did you nudge it?

PEREIRA: It's interesting how the story has sort of morphed. And the footage will really tell a big piece of the picture.

CUOMO: A lot of guys and women in the Secret Service weren't happy about this from the beginning, because they said the story had gotten ahead of the facts. It started off, the first word that we got, was that they'd smashed through; and they were ripping drunk. And here's another example. And the story is getting walked back. Sometimes it's better to wait. We'll see what happens.

CAMEROTA: Yes. They never took a field sobriety test. So that will be...

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PEREIRA: There are questions, sure.

CUOMO: All right. So what do you think the cause is of this tension between the U.S. and Israel? Spying to tip off Congress, right? Maybe not. Not a single lawmaker will confirm ever being contacted. So we're going to dig deeper.

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CUOMO: There is a twist in the Israel spy scandal. The accusation is that Israel snooped on the Iran nuclear talks and shared sensitive information with members of Congress. That's what the "Wall Street Journal" reported in citing political chaos. But Israel denies, no member of Congress will fess up, and the White House doesn't really seem to be up in arms, if you think about it. So what is going on here?

Joining us now is CNN counterterrorism analyst, former CIA counterterrorism official, Mr. Philip Mudd.

Mr. Philip Mudd, the direct question is, do you believe this to be a spy scandal?

PHILIP MUDD, CNN COUNTERTERRORISM ANALYST: No, I don't. I think there's a big difference between intelligence collection and spying. Intelligence collection, you can walk into a room in the foreign ministry in Britain or in the foreign ministry in Paris, if you're an Israeli official and say, "Hey, what's going on with these talks?"

Maybe somebody says, "You have a valid interest, Israeli official, in acquiring this information. This is what's going on." That's collecting intelligence openly. That's not spying.

I suspect the Israelis collected a lot about this. They have a national interest in understanding this, and I suspect they went to the Congress and said, "Here's some of what's going on, if you want some ammunition to go after the administration."

[06:25:15] But there -- in my world of intelligence at the CIA, there's a big difference between collecting that stuff and spying on Americans, and you might be seeing the gap between that right now.

CUOMO: Well, help us understand this, Mr. Mudd, because to the rest of us that just sounds like some kind of spy doublespeak. Collection versus spying. Do you believe that Israel was doing anything sneaky and then giving it to Congress, like your brothers and sisters in the U.S. intelligence committee have suggested in "The Wall Street Journal"?

MUDD: I think there's a decent chance, almost a certainty the Israelis were picking up intelligence by collecting against the Iranian target. That is, they might have had technical collection, intercepting communications from Iran, that indicated what was going on in the talks.

By definition, if they're collecting on the talks from the Iranians, they're picking up what the American side is suggesting. So you don't have to spy on the Americans and use spy techniques to pick up on what's going on in the talks. You can spy on the Iranians and say, "Now I know what the Americans are saying. I just heard the Iranians talk about it on a telephone call."

CUOMO; Then what do you...

MUDD: Sure, there was spying. If -- sorry, go ahead.

CUOMO: So you say you're sure there was spying, but it's what kind of spying and why they were doing it? That's what you're saying.

MUDD: Correct. And who they're targeting. There is something in the intelligence business called passive collection. That is, if you're spying on the Iranians, and they're talking to the Americans, passively, you pick up what the Americans are saying. That doesn't mean you targeted the Americans for collection.

When I saw this story, I immediately wanted to say, "Show me the money." Were the facts that they were actually targeting an American and not just picking up knowledge or intelligence from another source? Big difference.

CUOMO: So why did your brothers and sisters in the U.S. intel committee say, "They were spying on us, and we know it because we were spying on them and caught them spying on us"?

MUDD: I want to know who said that and whether they know what they're talking about.

This story looks to me to be pretty straightforward. I'm guessing my friends in Langley are sitting back saying, "Congress and the White House is fighting. We don't have anything to do with this."

What's happening here is Congress has a lot of knowledge about the talks. A lot of members of Congress don't like the talks. They're going to put that knowledge on the street to undercut the talks. The White House doesn't want to talk to Congress, because they're afraid they're going to leak. This is Republicans versus Democrats, White House versus Congress. This is not a spy story. CUOMO: You don't even mention Israel in your analysis of what this

problem is.

MUDD: I think Israel probably provided some knowledge to members of Congress. I don't think that knowledge is necessarily highly classified. Again, they might have picked it up by talking to diplomats in western Europe. This is about political impasse in Washington and partisanship. It's not about Israel and it's not about spying.

CUOMO: Speaking -- speaking of that, you were in Washington, D.C. Is that true, Mr. Mudd?

MUDD: Do you have any confirmation of that?

CUOMO: I do. We have multiple bar receipts that we want to talk to you about. You weren't there -- you were there to testify before the Congress. And you were there to give a message that you believe, in the fight against extremism, there is a very neglected front, which is on the Internet. What is your thought about this?

MUDD: When I started out, after returning from the White House to the CIA in 2002 -- I had been on a White House assignment -- we owned intelligence and technical knowledge that is information like email and phone knowledge about al Qaeda. The U.S. government owned that knowledge.

Today, 15 years later, this war has changed hugely. Kids in places like Denver -- we saw some 15-year-old girls from Denver, recruited on social media into al Qaeda several months ago. That knowledge is owned by people like Twitter and Facebook. The U.S. government doesn't own the data world any more, any more in the intelligence world than they do in the public world. Silicon Valley owns that.

What I was saying is, we need a better relationship where we talk to Silicon Valley about what's appropriate to collect about Americans' activity in social media and what is technically -- what we're technically able to collect.

Back 15 years ago, the U.S. government owned that stuff. Today, I think Silicon Valley does, and I think the roles are reversed. We ought to go to them and say, "Help us understand how we can do better to prevent a 15-year-old kid from joining ISIS on the Internet. And let's make sure we do it so that we protect American values and American privacy."

CUOMO: And we see the lack of that coordination in one of the headlines this morning out of Australia, that as many as 200 of their youths were recruited to extremism through the Internet. So clearly, we don't have the right handle on how to combat that.

Mr. Mudd, that seemed like a worthy effort on your part down there in Washington. Let's see if it bears fruit.

Thank you for joining us on NEW DAY, as always.

MUDD: All right. I'll send you the bar bill, thank you.

CUOMO: Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right, Chris. Be sure to stay with CNN. We've got continuing coverage of the crash of Flight 9525 in the French Alps. Ahead, authorities, we know, have now recovered one of the so-called black boxes from the crash site. What clues does it hold?

We'll also take a closer look at low-cost airlines like Germanwings. Are they just as safe as other carriers?

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