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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The manhunt for Daron Wint is over. The prime suspect that rocked the nation's capital.

[05:59:02] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we were able to safely pin the vehicle and place him under arrest. It was a very fluid situation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He worked for the company where Mr. Savopoulos was a CEO of.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hundreds of pages of e-mails released from Clinton's time as secretary of state.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was there any classified information?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The judge ruled that they can be released on a rolling basis.

MARILYN MOSBY, BALTIMORE CITY STATE'S ATTORNEY: My team has been presenting evidence to a grand jury that returned indictments against all six officers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The grand jury has now returned 28 charges.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was very surprising to me was what wasn't charged.

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: And good morning everyone. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Friday, May 22, 6 a.m. in the east, and Chris is off this morning.

And we do begin with breaking news for you, because the man suspected in the murders of four people at that upscale home in Washington, D.C., was captured overnight, after a week-long manhunt taking police from Washington to New York and back again.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: U.S. Marshals nabbing Daron Dylon Wint during a late-night traffic stop along with five other people. Their connections to Wint are being examined very closely this morning.

Let's begin our coverage with CNN senior Washington correspondent Joe Johns. Quite a development, Joe.

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: That is for sure, Michaela. For the past 24 hours, authorities have described what is essentially a cat and mouse game with this suspect, starting here in the Washington metropolitan area, going all the way up to Brooklyn and New York and then back here to the Washington, D.C., area where he was taken into custody.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were able to take him down and arrest him.

JOHNS (voice-over): Breaking overnight, the multi-state manhunt is over. Police arresting six people, including 34-year-old Daron Wint in what they call a great takedown in D.C. around 11 p.m. It's unknown who's being arrested here. Wint, on the run for a week, charged for the slayings of a prominent CEO, his wife, their young son and housekeeper. Allegedly torturing the 10-year-old, killing all four of them before setting the house, located in an upscale neighborhood, on fire.

ROBERT FERNANDEZ, U.S. MARSHALS: New York Police Department did a fantastic job getting us vital information last night.

JOHNS: U.S. Marshal Robert Fernandez says investigators worked for 48 hours straight, first tracking Wint all the way up to New York City Wednesday night, just barely missing him.

Police believe Wint saw himself identified on the news and took off. Investigators then located the suspect back in D.C. the following night at a Howard Johnson's hotel 20 miles north of the White House.

FERNANDEZ: When we were approaching, we realized he was in a vehicle. They started going northbound on Route 1. We followed them for about four or five miles.

JOHNS: The task force, including 20 vehicles and a county helicopter tailing two vehicles, a sedan where Wint was identified in the backseat, and this small moving truck. Sources told CNN affiliate WJLA a large amount of cash was found inside. Police arresting a total of four men and two women.

FERNANDEZ: They're the most amazing investigators I've ever seen. It's incredible what these guys are capable of doing.

JOHNS: Forty-six-year-old Savvas Savopoulos was the president and CEO of American Iron Works, a multimillion-dollar building materials manufacturer. Wint once worked for that same company and, according to one source, allegedly stole $40,000 that was delivered to the home before setting it ablaze.

(END VIDEOTAPE) JOHNS: So now the question is whether any of those individuals

who were taken into custody with Daron Wint had anything to do with the murder here at the house in upper northwest Washington. Authorities still mum on that as they try to sort it all out.

Back to you.

CAMEROTA: OK, Joe. Let's try to get some of those answers, because joining us now is Commander Rob Fernandez. He is with the U.S. Marshals. He helped capture Daron Wint late last night.

Commander Fernandez, thanks so much for being on NEW DAY. You must be exhausted. We understand that you and your fellow agents have been working this for 48 hours straight.

FERNANDEZ: Yes. We started working it Tuesday night once a suspect was identified. And we worked almost straight through for the last 48 hours until we had him in custody last night.

CAMEROTA: So when many of us went to bed last night at about 8 p.m., the latest thinking was that he was in Brooklyn, New York. And in fact, agents went there to the house where he was supposed to be and had learned that he had just left. Then what happened?

FERNANDEZ: Well, we -- through investigation yesterday, we determined that he was possibly in New York -- not yesterday. I'm sorry. Wednesday. And we have a sister regional fugitive task force up in New York where we sent the lead to. We had investigators there go to the location, but he had just left. But they did a fantastic job.

All that night, the next day getting information and passing that information to us, where we were able to combine that with the investigations that we were doing down here to be able to track him to that location in College Park.

CAMEROTA: Right. So you tracked him to a Howard Johnson in College Park, Maryland. And just as, as I understand it, the task force with about 20 vehicles is pulling into the parking lot, you spot him. And then what happens?

FERNANDEZ: Well, we believed he was in the Howard Johnson. We weren't sure where. We were formulating a plan to go locate which room he might have been in and then go into the room and take him down.

As our advance teams were approaching the hotel, they noticed two vehicles. And they suspected that he was in one of the vehicles. The vehicles then left the Howard Johnson and went up north of Route 1. The rest of the teams that were there for the takedown joined in on the surveillance, and we tailed the vehicles for about five miles before we finally took them down.

CAMEROTA: And what was the takedown like? There were four other people that he was with. So what was that takedown like? [06:05:05] FERNANDEZ: Well, it was a moving truck, as you showed

on that -- on that graphic. And there was a small sedan following the moving truck. They -- we could tell that they were together. They were going northbound. They did sort of a strange U-turn, and we suspected that they may have thought they were being tailed. We were trying to get to a location where we could successfully take them down without putting anybody in danger.

We also called the Prince Georges County, Maryland, Police Department, and they had a helicopter in the air in five minutes.

Once we reached the location in D.C. where we felt we could take them down, then we did a vehicle pin maneuver on both vehicles and were able to arrest everyone.

CAMEROTA: So who are these other people? Do you think that they were involved in the original crime?

FERNANDEZ: I don't know who they are. And that's up to the D.C. police homicide detectives who are handling the investigation.

CAMEROTA: Can we look...

FERNANDEZ: All we handle is the manhunt.

CAMEROTA: OK. Can we look at Daron Wint's rap sheet for a second? Because there are some interesting things on here.

In 2005, the family filed a restraining order. I believe his family filed a restraining order against him. In 2006, he was charged with second-degree assault. 2009, second-degree assault with fourth degree sex offense. 2009, second-degree assault. 2010, charged with fourth-degree burglary and property destruction.

Commander, I mean, you've been doing this for a long time. What kind of criminal murders a family and their housekeeper, tortures them, tortures a 10-year-old boy, stops long enough to eat some pizza at the crime scene, and then sets the house on fire?

FERNANDEZ: Well, I can't really comment on any of the specifics of the case. We don't really get involved in any part of the investigation as to the actual crime. But the allegations are heinous. And it really motivated and inspired our entire team who worked relentlessly to track him down.

CAMEROTA: Yes. We can imagine. Did he have cash on him? There have been reports that there was a bag of cash. The reports are that he took off with maybe $40,000 worth of cash from the crime scene. Did you find cash last night?

FERNANDEZ: We didn't do any search on the vehicles. All we did was stop them, take them down, arrest the individuals. And then the scene was turned over to the D.C. Police Department and the homicide detectives and crime scene search was there. So I can't comment on anything that was located. I don't know. CAMEROTA: Well, Commander, it sure looks like great police work.

I mean, just figuring out exactly where he was and then everyone descending on him without more bloodshed. You just -- you and your team have to feel good this morning.

FERNANDEZ: Oh, it was -- it was quite an investigation. It is a satisfaction to finally put hands on and get this guy in custody. I was -- I'm just in awe at the ability of the investigators on our task force. And we're a multi-agency task force.

We have 40 just in the D.C. area. The Capital Area Regional Fugitive Task Force has about 40 federal, state and local agencies that assign people full-time. We have about 200 total members. So these are just some of the best investigators I've seen. And it's just amazing to see them get all this information, all of the different techniques that we were using to be able to figure out where this individual could be, predict what his next move was going to be.

And then we have to put on the other hat. We take off the investigative half, and we have to put on the tactical hat and be able to, you know, effect an arrest like this and do a successful vehicle pin without firing a shot, without hurting anybody, without the public being in danger. And I'm just very proud to be part of this team.

CAMEROTA: Just such great police work. Commander Rob Fernandez, go get some sleep. Thanks so much for being on NEW DAY.

FERNANDEZ: Thank you very much.

CAMEROTA: Let's get over to Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right, Alisyn. Senators may be cutting into their week-long Memorial Day recess as they scramble to save key provisions of the Patriot Act that is set to expire June 1. Showdown looms over competing surveillance proposals, including one that would extend the NSA's controversial bulk collection of phone data.

CNN's chief congressional correspondent Dana Bash live as the clock counts down. Nothing like a deadline to get people talking.

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You know, Michaela, the fact you say that it's certainly noteworthy, because we have done this before when it comes to government funding, to keep the government open, a potential shutdown, a fiscal cliff.

But when it comes to national security, a program that people on both sides of the aisle say is crucial to keeping this country safe, this is as a level of dysfunction even I haven't seen. And I talked to a member of the intelligence committee in the Senate, Angus King, and he said he was pretty stunned.

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[06:10:05] SEN. ANGUS KING (R-ME), INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: Frankly, it's disappointing to me. Here we are at the deadline. I guess the only excuse is, you know, which among us, who among us did our book report before Sunday night? But, you know, this is serious stuff. And we've known about this deadline for years. And this should have been taken care of a long time ago. But here we are.

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BASH: So especially now when you have total Republican control of Congress, Republican leaders on both sides of the capital agree. They believe that this surveillance program is critical. So the obvious question is why are we here?

And the answer is we talked about Rand Paul and his talk-a-thon the day before yesterday. It's not just him on the Republican side. The Republicans as well as Democrats are really split on the idea of whether or not these programs are appropriate, whether they go too far into people's civil liberties or even necessary. As Rand Paul says, you know, "What if it expires? Oops, we'll just use the Constitution to go ahead and deal with this."

So the question is what now? The Senate is all but sure to be in session tomorrow. And that is Saturday. But they're probably, at this point, sources say, not even going to be able to pass a House bill. So they might just do a patch.

So, Alisyn, what does that mean? That means that the House, which is gone already for their Memorial Day recess, will come back on that deadline day, June 1, in order to, if they don't get things together, pass that patch the day of this deadline. And you have law enforcement officials saying that this is absolutely terrible for the program and it worries them a lot as you can imagine.

CAMEROTA: Man, they sure like pushing it to the eleventh hour there at Capitol Hill. That seems to be a pattern. We're going to talk to Senator John McCain about all this later in the program, Dana. Thanks so much.

Well, ISIS making advances, taking over the last Syria-Iraq border crossing controlled by Syrian troops. They continue to advance around the Syrian town of Palmyra just days after they seized the key Iraqi city of Ramadi, sparking a mass exodus of civilians.

CNN's senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh is live in Beirut for us. What do we know this morning, Nick?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We mentioned that border crossing. It's key, now that it's in ISIS's hands, because it's very symbolic for them. They've always been about trying to break down the borders in the current Middle East. And now they seem to control all of that between Syria and Iraq.

And they don't recognize it, really, because they consider it to be part of what they declare as their caliphate. So another symbolic move for them. The residents in Palmyra and Syria, they're bracing themselves for life under ISIS now. Gruesome pictures emerging of those loyal to the Syrian regime beheaded some, ISIS going door-to- door looking for others. And it begs the question, really, now some are saying that ISIS

holds half of Syria. Are we seeing a dramatic return in their fortunes? Well, in the past few months, they have had to concede many losses.

Now it seems in the last 72 hours, they're having victory after victory. I think to some degree that's always the information message they're always trying to give out. They're moving forward. They have the momentum. It seems to be irreversibly the case at this stage.

Back to you.

PEREIRA: We're going to take a look at this a little closer with some of our military experts. Nick, thank you so much for that.

Back here at home a grand jury in Baltimore indicting, rather, six police officers in connection with the death of Freddie Gray. The list of charges evolving, some charges have even been dropped. But all six officers, you see them on your screen. They now face an additional charge of reckless endangerment. Officer Goodson, driving the van with Gray in the back, still faces the most severe charge of second-degree depraved heart murder.

CAMEROTA: New threats of retaliation after that biker shootout in Texas, but this time police are said to be the target. CNN's Alina Machado following the developments, live from Waco.

Give us the latest, Alina.

ALINA MACHADO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Alisyn. The Texas Department of Public Safety has issued this warning, saying that certain Bandidos members are giving the group C-4 explosives and grenades to be used against police for what happened here over the weekend.

Now, the bulletin is pretty specific. It names some locations as possible targets, including the McClennan County Jail here in Waco, as well as several cities throughout Texas, El Paso, Houston, Austin just to name a few.

It also warns of plots targeting high-ranking law enforcement officials and their families possibly with car bombs. Now, this morning comes as the law enforcement community here in Texas has already been on edge for days. They've been on alert. They've also been taking care of themselves to make sure that they are protected.

A spokesperson for the Waco Police Department tells us that they are aware of this new threat. But they also would not elaborate on what, if anything, they are doing to protect themselves -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Thanks so much, Alina.

PEREIRA: Let's turn to California now, where crews are working around the clock to clean up from that massive crude oil spill near Santa Barbara. [06:15:02] The EPA's investigating the spill, the company as well

at the center of it. That company, Plains All American Pipeline, has a history of infractions. In fact, the EPA and the Justice Department ordered the company to pay out more than $40 million stemming from ten spills in four states during just a three-year period.

CAMEROTA: So Chris got a jump on his Memorial Day weekend.

PEREIRA: Yes, he did. Apparently he's gardening.

CAMEROTA: Is that right?

PEREIRA: Uh-huh.

CAMEROTA: OK. I'll look forward to an update on that. He's not alone. More than 37.2 million Americans are expected to travel this weekend. And that's the most in ten years.

PEREIRA: Isn't that interesting? Chad Myers, our meteorologist, giving us a forecast of this holiday weekend. How does it look for people hitting the road?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: For the northeast, I don't think it could be better. For the Midwest flood warnings. It's a tale of a couple different countries here. The rain moving out of the northeast now, it will be gone soon. But the rain not moving out of the Midwest, not until Monday or Tuesday.

Flash flood watches, warnings all the way through Oklahoma, Texas and even into parts of Kansas.

Look at this: through Sunday some spots from Wichita to Kansas City and Oklahoma City will pick up 4 to 8 inches of rain. That's just in the next three days.

And then look at the northeast. Not a drop. Sunshine the entire time. I know all sunshine and no rainfall makes a desert, and I haven't even started planting my tomatoes yet. So I don't know what Chris is doing up there. But let him -- you know, it's time to plant. The sun is out. It's no more frost out here across the country, and the rain will help you. But you don't need that kind of rain for your Sunday picnic, I'm afraid. It could be quite wet.

Nice days in New York, D.C., Boston for the weekend. A little bit wet down here across parts of the Deep South. The Midwest and West looking great from Oklahoma City back through Denver and Salt Lake City and even great for you. I don't think you're traveling to L.A., Michaela, but a beautiful weekend in L.A., as well in the 60s. Exactly where you should be with that cool coastal water. Obviously, warmer in the inland empire.

PEREIRA: Now much like you I will be here on Monday so it doesn't make time for travel this weekend. I think I'll do a staycation.

CAMEROTA: We'll manage to have fun on Monday. PEREIRA: Yes, we will. Tune in for that.

CAMEROTA: All right. Thanks so much, Chad.

MYERS: You're welcome.

CAMEROTA: Well, here is an update to a much-anticipated story. The State Department is set to release Hillary Clinton's e-mails, including those about the deadly attack on Americans in Benghazi. Our political panel weighs in on this next.

PEREIRA: And as we mentioned, now that some charges have been changed against those six Baltimore officers involved in Freddie Gray's death, how strong is the case against them? We'll put that question to our legal experts.

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[06:21:34] CAMEROTA: All right. The State Department expected to release the first batch of Hillary Clinton's e-mails as soon as this morning. "The New York Times" got an early look at some of them, so we can talk about that.

Let's bring in John Avlon, CNN political analyst and editor on chief of "The Daily Beast" and Margaret Hoover, a CNN political commentator and Republican consultant.

Great to see you guys.

MARGARET HOOVER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Good morning.

JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Good morning.

CAMEROTA: So finally, we're going to see what's in these long- disputed e-mails. And one of the things that is interesting that has come out already in the "New York Times" is that she had a whole series of communications all the time with Sid Blumenthal, who is one of her top advisers. And the day after the Benghazi attacks you know Republicans have been waiting to see what she knew about Benghazi. Here is a clue.

Let me read to you what the exchange was with Sid Blumenthal. "Mr. Blumenthal sent Mrs. Clinton a more thorough account of what had occurred" the day after. "Citing sensitive sources in Libya, the memo provided extensive detail about the episode, saying that the siege had been set off by members of Ansar al-Shariah, the Libyan terrorist group. Those militants had ties to al Qaeda, had planned the attacks for a month. 'We should get this around ASAP,' Mrs. Clinton said in an e-mail to" one of her aides, "Mr. Sullivan. 'Will do,' he responded."

So she knew and she said that they should -- she knew it was a terrorist, not just a demonstration. And she suggests we should let people know about this. I mean, isn't this the opposite of what the GOP has been saying about her? That she kept it -- tried to keep it secret? AVLON: Yes. I mean, this is the problem with conspiracy

theories. They often run into -- they run into conflict with human beings, basically trying to do their best in real time. And what you saw, actually, from the e-mails we now see, and there will be more released later today, is that Blumenthal originally corroborated the whole idea that this was a video.

CAMEROTA: The first day.

AVLON: Correct. And then all of a sudden, the fog of war recedes and you start to get actual intelligence. And part of the complication with Blumenthal is his relationships with interest in Libya at the time.

So you start to see in real time a sense that they're figuring this out and that they were trying to get the story right piece by piece. Like human beings do.

CAMEROTA: Doesn't this dispute the narrative that has been around for two years that she was trying to cover something up?

HOOVER: Well, what it does is it helps her for sort of any election. I mean, the Republican accusation and the problem, it complicates the relationship with the Obama administration, because then Susan Rice went on TV seven days later and said this was about a video. This wasn't a terrorist attack when other members of the administration wouldn't go on TV and say that. Maybe there's a reason she wouldn't go on TV and say that. I mean, all of us are wondering why is Susan Rice on television saying this? Where is secretary of state. Well, maybe they didn't want to. Maybe they want to...

CAMEROTA: From this e-mail seems like she knew the truth and she didn't want to say the untruth.

AVLON: It does increase scrutiny on Susan Rice's comments, because they come so many days after the fact.

PEREIRA: To the overall issue of the e-mails, as we have said, some of them are -- have already been leaked. More are expected to be released today. It's interesting that some of these e-mails they're called SBU, sensitive but unclassified, John. Is that an issue to you? Because that's kind of a gray area. Even when you think about the kind of e-mails that we all send, I e-mail you and Margaret for an invitation to dinner, we might actually talk about work. There's bleed over.

AVLON: There is bleed over. And it's all the more reason to actually try to do things on consistent servers as opposed to private servers. The issue doesn't appear to be one of legality or even ethics. It's one of judgment.

And for the Clintons especially, they know politics is perception. There's no way they could have set up that separate server and not understood that at the very least it would look bad. So while it appears that no classified information was passed, that's a relief because these probably weren't secure servers at the end of the day. It is -- it is still a question of judgment.

[06:25:05] PEREIRA: Many are saying that this was about control for her.

AVLON: Yes.

PEREIRA: A lot of us have two devices. Right? I have two devices.

HOOVER: She did too, apparently.

PEREIRA: She did, too. But this has been about control, and that's one of the issues a lot of people have with this.

HOOVER: And who's the arbiter? I mean, all these 55,000 pages e-mails, pages of e-mails are e-mails that she decided the public should have. I don't think there's going to be -- if there's a smoking gun to be had, it's not going to be in the 55,000 pages that she handed over for the public to see. So I don't know if there's going to be much to learn from them.

CAMEROTA: OK. Let's talk about another perception issue, and that is what's happening this morning in "The Washington Post" with the Clinton Foundation. They're announcing that there are yet another $26 million worth of revenue from foreign...

AVLON: Who among us has not displaced...

CAMEROTA: How big of a deal is this?

PEREIRA: Love to have it misplaced.

HOOVER: Hillary Clinton when she testified before the Senate when she was confirmed before the Senate in 2009 said that every single dollar of funding that comes into the Clinton Foundation, regardless of whether it needs to be disclosed or not, will be disclosed just to avoid the appearance of impropriety. They wanted to get the optics right.

So that's what they said. What they have done consistently shows that it's the opposite. The first time was with the Canadian affiliate of the Clinton Foundation, which had over $30 million undocumented. The second time the Boston Clinton Health Initiative that had more than $10 million that was undocumented.

Now you have these $26 million of revenues not donations. It's like three times the pattern of something. And you wonder why there is this inconsistency of being able to be fully transparent when that's what they have said all along is that we aspire for full transparency.

HOOVER: Well, it's easy to say. It's harder to do, obviously. And in this case you can understand from an accounting perspective why this isn't a donation, literally. It is revenue. Speeches on behalf of the foundation. But given the sensitivity of the secretary of state, given an

upcoming presidential campaign, you've got to make a consistent effort to go above and beyond the call of duty. And they did not in this case. Again, politics of perception, they should know better.

PEREIRA: All right, guys. Quickly want to pivot to the deadline. Wait, we're here again. Another deadline for Congress. Imagine that. The potential expiration of a part of the Patriot Act June 1. It is looming. They're set to go on break today. Do you think this is going to happen? Will they have to extend their session? Why is this such a sticking point?

HOOVER: Actually, you know, in my view I think Rand Paul is a real hero here, along with Ron White and all of these three Republicans, eight Democrats or about ten altogether elevating this issue as a real constitutional issue that effects Americans.

This shouldn't be voted on. This should not get a rubber stamp on the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act was passed in the days right after 9/11. There is -- there is reason to reform it if the 2nd Court of Appeals says that this is an unlawful act. Then it has to be reformed. It's Congress's job to do it.

CAMEROTA: Should it expire on June 1? That's what's going to happen, right?

HOOVER: Unless Congress writes a new provision for it.

AVLON: Or there's a short-term extension to get it open to debate. The House has already passed an amended version. Margaret's absolutely right. You already had the federal court of appeals make this judgment. You cannot simply extend it.

But the fact we're here again with Congress, we're -- they're tricycling up to a cliff again, something that was totally anticipatable for months and months and months. That's the frustration with this Congress. You've got trade promotion. You've got NSA. These are big deals. They deserve open debate. It needs to be done. Do your damn job.

PEREIRA: I love the tricycle.

CAMEROTA: I appreciate it.

PEREIRA: That's how they roll.

Margaret and John, we always appreciate it. Have a great long weekend if you can have one. We're going to dig more into this very issue with GOP Senator John McCain. He joins us live here on NEW DAY, 8 a.m. Eastern.

CAMEROTA: Well, the Houston Rockets coming up just short in game two. What am I doing, doing sports? Game two of their western conference final battle with Golden State.

PEREIRA: Oh, I can't wait to talk about it. CAMEROTA: Whoever that is. Andy Scholes...

PEREIRA: That's the brown ball that's orange and bounces up and down.

CAMEROTA: Basketball?

PEREIRA: Then they toss it into...

CAMEROTA: I like it. Even I know that was bad what just happened. That was bad.

See?

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