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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A Brian pass.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Goal!

[05:58:25] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The U.S. women, they are champions of the world!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Being able to be a World Cup champion is just an unbelievable moment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: USA! USA! USA!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: USA! USA! USA!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: USA! USA! USA!

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: The Greeks vote no on a bailout.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Country's finance minister says that he is resigning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can Greece even remain a part of the Eurozone?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At this point, it appears to be a random shooting incident.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The suspect, an undocumented immigrant and repeat felon.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you shoot Kate Steinle?

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: And good morning, everyone. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It's Monday, July 6, 6 a.m. in the East. Chris Cuomo is off this morning. John Berman joins us on an exciting morning.

BERMAN: Oh, yes! MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: He did that on purpose, I think.

CAMEROTA: I bet he did. Because it was a thrilling night for Team USA. The U.S. women's soccer team are World Cup champs after dominating Japan in a record-setting game, avenging a heartbreaking loss to the same Japanese team four years ago.

PEREIRA: I love that we can use the word "avenge."

BERMAN: Avenge me!

PEREIRA: Carli Lloyd scored the first ever hat trick in that fairy tale rematch, all three goals coming in the first 16 minutes as Team USA pulled away.

CNN's Coy Wire is live in beautiful Vancouver with highlights on the historic win. And I'm sure nobody else has gotten a bit of sleep in Vancouver tonight.

COY WIRE, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Team No Sleep. You know how we do it, guys.

Look, outstanding, commanding, demanding, it was an intriguing interpretation of soccer. Team USA did what no other country has done: win a third Women's World Cup title.

Carli Lloyd is straight legendary. She scored a hat trick in the final, three goals in one game against Japan, who by the way, had only allowed three goals in the entire tournament up until that point. She's now the second person and first woman, ever, to accomplish that feat.

That was a 5-2 win, guys. Again, that's their first win since 1999. Winning that third, first time ever third World Cup title. There was a lot of tweets going around last night. You had President Obama, who sent out a tweet talking about, "Great game, Carli Lloyd. Your country is proud of you," asking the team to come visit the White House.

Governor Christie even sent out a tweet, too: Team USA. They sent a tweet saying how they want -- they're putting in a bill for Carli Lloyd and Hope Solo to get on the new ten- and one-dollar bills.

Hey, guys, I am so pumped right now. Who needs sleep when you have that amount of energy that we experienced. We witnessed history last night. And you know what? It was much needed. At this time right now, a truly historic moment in America's women's sports -- guys.

CAMEROTA: That's so great, Coy. We can feel the excitement from there. Thanks so much.

So here to discuss all the big moments from that historic win is the editor in chief of MLSsoccer.com, Greg Lalas; and CNN sports analyst Christine Brennan. Great to see both of you guys this morning.

Christine, what a game. I mean, tell me about the moments that had you pinching yourself.

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST: Well, that start was incredible, Alisyn. Of course, Carli Lloyd getting that hat trick in the first 16 minutes of the game. I mean, most U.S. fans know that soccer games are usually 0-0, 1-0. To see that barrage and Lauren Holiday getting a goal in the midst, as well, four to nothing. I mean, extraordinary start for the United States.

And when you think about the devastation for the U.S. of losing the World Cup to Japan, a game they should have won in 2011, I think we're talking about serious revenge here.

Also, 16 years after the 1999 team, which really was the benchmark, not only for women's soccer, but women's sports, Title IX, et cetera.

CAMEROTA: Yes.

BRENNAN: A steppingstone in our nation's history. And that was 16 years ago. Sixteen minutes. Very fitting that the U.S. would put that game away so quickly.

CAMEROTA: I like the symmetry of that, Christine.

So Greg, it took just three minutes...

GREG LALAS, MLSSOCCER.COM: Three minutes.

CAMEROTA: ... for Carli Lloyd to score that first goal. So at that point, did you think...

LALAS: Game over. Right?

CAMEROTA: Did you really?

LALAS: No. Absolutely not. I actually expected this Japanese team to come back very, very strong, and quickly. It was the second goal, I think, that really put it over the top and started saying, "Whoa, this U.S. team is so pumped up, and they're moving so well. And they're dominating in the place where they're known to dominate, which is set pieces."

We saw it on the corner kick when Carli Lloyd scored the goal. It's amazing that they did on set pieces. They always had that ability to dominate there. Once they did, game over.

CAMEROTA: Christine, how about that kick that she did from, like, mid-field? How did that -- how did she know that that was -- at that point was she just feeling so pumped that she went for it?

BRENNAN: Carli Lloyd scored the winning goal in the 2008 Olympics. I covered that in Beijing. She scored both goals in the 2012 U.S. gold medal victory over Japan. So this person is a gamer. She's going to be 33 next week. Lloyd absolutely just is on top of her game, scoring goals at the most important moment in U.S. soccer history. So that's -- that's a given. I think in this case, she'd already scored the two goals. She saw the

keeper come way off her line, way out of the goal. And there she was at mid-field, kicking the ball. And when things go right, Alisyn, things go right. Carli Lloyd was on fire at that moment and obviously leading a big, American birthday party. That's what that was.

CAMEROTA: Absolutely. So Greg, what went wrong for the Japanese?

LALAS: Well, I think, the main thing is that the U.S. played so well early on. They dominated. There was a lot of pressure that the U.S. applied. We didn't see it early in the tournament, but Jill Ellis, the coach, made some changes and pushed Carli Lloyd forward a lot more.

CAMEROTA: So she hadn't been playing Carli Lloyd as much?

LALAS: She had been playing her, but not playing her as far forward as she normally likes to be. And as soon as those adjustments were made, Alex Morgan was healthy again. She played up top, they were able to press a lot. And you saw it in the knockout stages against Germany. You saw it in the final against Japan. It all clicked perfectly.

CAMEROTA: And Christine, was there also a problem that the sun was in the eyes of the goalie?

BRENNAN: I think the most important thing that happened, Alisyn, might have been that coin toss at the beginning of the game, the United States getting a chance to pick which way it was going.

You didn't hear a lot about it. But there's no doubt that that weird patchwork of shadows and the sun being so bright in the Vancouver sky at that point, that had to have an impact.

My question is, I know the outdoors is great, and I've been in that stadium many times. The Olympic opening ceremonies and closing ceremonies were actually there in 2010.

But, the notion of maybe closing that dome, just a thought -- doesn't matter now. The U.S. won the game fair and square, of course. This is not a controversy. But if the dome had been closed for viewing on television, it would been a lot better, and I wonder if it would have been better for the players, as well.

Again, minor point, a footnote, but it does happen that in that position with the Japanese goalkeeper looking into the sun, the United States had that goal barrage, the likes of which we have never seen before.

CAMEROTA: Yes, no I think you make a good point, because it was obvious even at home that the sun was in her eyes and that that was a disadvantage.

But let's talk about -- you were saying, Greg, that it's not just Carli Lloyd that we should be celebrating -- obviously, the whole team -- but also Hope Solo. LALAS: I think Hope Solo really in some ways redeemed herself in the

eyes of many people. She came into this tournament with sort of a controversy surrounding her. She was so huge in the very first game of the tournament against Australia. She made two incredible saves I think we should be talking about that as much as we're talking about the goals. And those saves set her up to really be that rock in the back. She was the rock to that defense.

Although I will also give a lot of credit to Becky Sauerbrunn, who I thought was incredible from point one to point whatever it is at the end, when she helped to lift that trophy. Because Becky Sauerbrunn was probably the best defender in this tournament for me.

CAMEROTA: Christine, we only have a few seconds left. But what -- does this change the game of women's soccer? What does it do now for this country?

BRENNAN: Well, I have to say that Hope Solo, with the domestic violence charges coming, that is a big story here. I think that, once again, Title IX is going to be the most important law in our country over the last 43 years. We have fallen in love with what it has created, including women's soccer.

CAMEROTA: That's great. Christine, Greg, great to see you guys on such a fun morning here. Thanks so much for being here.

And coming up in our next hour, we are going to speak live with Carli Lloyd, who scored all those goals, and Hope Solo, Team USA's amazing goalkeeper. Stick around for that -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right. To some very somber news from the West Coast. A Mexican national deported from the U.S. five times has confessed to shooting and killing a 32-year-old woman on a busy San Francisco pier. Katie Steinle's murder is reigniting the debate about illegal immigration. Why was a repeat convicted felon released from jail and back on the street?

CNN's Dan Simon is in San Francisco with the very latest for us.

Dan, what are we learning?

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, good morning, Michaela.

This story is galvanizing critics of America's immigration system. Here you have a repeat felon who was deported five times to his native Mexico, and yet somehow, he was able to roam the streets of San Francisco, get a hold of a gun, and kill a young woman in a popular tourist area.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you shoot Kate Steinle, the lady who was down on Pier 14?

FRANCISCO SANCHEZ, MURDER SUSPECT: Yes. SIMON (voice-over): Confessing to homicide, 45-year-old Francisco

Sanchez is behind bars in California this morning. But he shouldn't be in the United States at all. Sanchez is an undocumented immigrant and repeat felon. The victim is 31-year-old Kate Steinle, killed with a single gunshot to the chest at a popular San Francisco pier last Wednesday.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was fighting and gasping for every breath.

SIMON: Kate's father, who was with her at the time, says no words were exchanged between Sanchez and his daughter. Officials say this was a random act of violence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have a little solace that I was with her, but I also have the overwhelming grief of a father (ph), the moment she was shot.

SIMON: Sanchez has been deported five times to Mexico. In a jailhouse interview with CNN affiliate KGO, he says the lure of a paycheck kept him returning.

SANCHEZ: I'm looking for the jobs in the restaurant or roofing, landscaping or construction.

SIMON: The shooting quickly seized on by Donald Trump. The GOP presidential hopeful, who made headlines for his inflammatory remarks about Mexican immigrants, said the tragic shooting is, quote, "yet another example of why we must secure our border immediately."

Sanchez was held on an outstanding drug charge back in March, but that charge was dropped; and San Francisco officials said they had no legal basis to hold him. Under the city's so-called sanctuary law, they didn't transfer him back to immigration officials either, because there was no warrant or judicial order for his removal. So on April 15, Sanchez was released.

SANCHEZ: I'm sorry for everybody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Including Kate Steinle's family?

SANCHEZ: Yes.

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SIMON: Sanchez says he found the gun wrapped in a T-shirt near a bench. And he says the gun just went off accidentally, though he reportedly told police originally, that he was aiming at sea lions.

Michaela, the question is whether something like this is going to cost San Francisco and other so-called sanctuary cities to rethink their policies.

Back to you.

BERMAN: Well, no matter what the controversy is, it is tragedy for that family. Dan Simon, thanks so much. New this morning: Chicago is reeling from a deadly holiday weekend. In just three days, seven people were killed, dozens injured in a rash of shootings across the city. A 7-year-old boy is among the dead. And now the city's top officer is blaming the whole justice system for the bloodshed.

[07:10:15] CNN's Ryan Young is live in Chicago with the very latest. Hello, Ryan.

RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, John.

A lot of people are exasperated about this one. Forty-seven people shot, and that's since Friday. A lot of folks are focusing, though, on Amari Brown, the 7-year-old who was shot and killed while watching fireworks.

Now, police believe his father was actually the target, but everybody can identify with the idea that a 7-year-old would want to watch fireworks, and then all of a sudden, the gunfire hits him. It hits him in the chest, and he dies. Another woman was shot during that same shooting, but she survived.

So everyone is talking about the gun violence in the area. In fact, police tell us over those last few days, they've been able to confiscate an illegal gun off the streets of Chicago every single hour. They have increased police forces out there, 12-hour shifts. But still, the superintendent is very upset about the violence here on the streets.

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SUPERINTENDENT GARRY MCCARTHY, CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT: If we don't hold criminals accountable, people do not go to jail for illegal guns. If they do not fear the criminal justice system. If they feel repercussions from the gang that they belong to, losing the gun outweighs the criminal justice sanctions that they would be subject to, we're going to stay in the position that we're in.

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YOUNG: And just living in the area, people are very upset about the shootings over the weekend. Look, 67 people were shot last year during the Fourth of July. So you see the numbers dropped just a little bit. But there was a headline June 1 I want to read you. June 1 there was a headline: 161 people killed in 151 days. People are asking for changes. And it's a conversation that a lot of folks are having throughout the city -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: We're going to be having it this morning on NEW DAY, as well. Ryan, thanks so much for that.

Well, the fallout beginning in Greece, following the country's decision to reject Europe's latest bailout offer, Greece's finance minister abruptly resigning overnight. The country now on a path that could force it to abandon the euro.

Global markets reacting to this news, and CNN international correspondent Isa Soares live in Athens with the latest for us.

Good morning, Isa.

ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Alisyn.

Good morning, Michaela.

Let me give you the latest, coming out of Greece, because Greeks are waking up this morning to a new economic reality and a bit of an economic hangover of sorts.

Resounding "no" yesterday, 61 percent people backing "no" vote, saying no more austerity. No to the European proposal. We have had enough of so much cuts. But the reality is, this is a country deeply divided about the next step for Greece.

Now, though, the ball is clearly in a different court. That is the Greek prime minister. He is meeting and has been meeting this morning with opposition parties, trying to get the support of other political parties as it goes to Europe and asks for a bigger bailout and for better conditions for the Greek people.

But Alisyn, take a look behind me, because that is the reality. People still queuing from very early in the morning to very late at night. I left at 1:30 yesterday in the morning, and people were still queuing to only get their 60 euros a day. And that's what people are facing.

It can get much worse, because now it depends on the European Central -- the European Central Bank, the ECB. They are meeting today, and they're deciding whether to up the financial equity. Will it keep more money flowing into the Greek banking system.

If they decide they don't -- they won't do that, Alisyn, what will happen is that that 60-euro limit will go down to 20-euro limit. Can you imagine living on 20 euro limit, with really just trying to find food, electricity, petrol and, really, medicine for many families -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: A lot of anxiety there. Isa, thank you so much for that. We'll check back in with you.

Nuclear negotiations with Iran coming down to the wire again. Tuesday is now the new deadline for an agreement to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons in exchange for sanctions relief.

Secretary of State John Kerry is pushing hard for a deal, but admits the talks could go either way. CNN's Sunlen Serfaty is live at the White House with the latest for us on this Monday.

Hi, Sunlen.

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Michaela.

Well, both sides say they have never been closer to getting a deal. But they are just not yet there. Many of these issues are still unresolved one day before the deadline.

Now, there was some tentative agreement coming out of those string of meetings over the weekend in Vienna. But the secretary of state really going out of his way, really trying to lower the level of optimism from Vienna, downplaying expectations.

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JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: If hard choices get made in the next couple days and made quickly, we could get an agreement this week. But, if they are not made, we will not.

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SERFATY: Now, several of the most difficult issues still remain on the table. The same ones that really bedeviled all of the negotiators throughout this process, like the level of inspections at Iran's military sites they need to still resolve.

The questions over Iran's past use and also the timeline -- this is a big one -- for when sanctions relief would come for Iran.

[06:15:04] Now, Republicans in Congress are already skeptical about the contours of this deal coming together. The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee really cautioning the administration, warning because this is such a big legacy issue for President Obama, not to rush into a bad deal.

Now the secretary of state, he brought the door open just a little, just a crack, saying that although the deadline is tomorrow, that is still the goal, there seems to be a little wiggle room, if they need a little extra time -- John.

BERMAN: All right. Sunlen Serfaty for us at the White House. Either way, the clock is ticking.

Today, South Carolina lawmakers, they will debate moving the Confederate flag from capitol grounds. The flag at the center of controversy following the church massacre in Charleston. A two-thirds majority vote in both legislative chambers is necessary to remove the flag. And, you know, this is no sure thing, with many vocal supporters of the flag remaining adamant in their arguments.

CAMEROTA: It will be interesting to see what happens there.

Meanwhile, David Sweat back behind bars this morning in a maximum- security prison. Officials say he was transferred from that Albany, New York, hospital on Sunday to Five Points Correctional Facility in Romulus, New York. Sweat being evaluated and placed on active suicide watch. He and Richard Matt eluded capture, as you'll remember, for three weeks after breaking out of another upstate New York...

PEREIRA: You know what else is going to be evaluated?

CAMEROTA: What?

PEREIRA: Security at Romulus.

BERMAN: I heard some people this morning talking about whether they're nervous that he's there? And they're all saying, "We feel pretty good about it." We think they might watch him pretty closely...

PEREIRA: Yes. He's not going anywhere.

BERMAN: ... inside that prison right now.

CAMEROTA: It's not only about him. I think it's the other things that have been exposed.

PEREIRA: Well, that's true. I'm sure a hard look is being taken at that, but I'm sure the other inmates of Romulus, too, are looking at this guy a little with the side eye. "Thanks for ruining things for us here."

CAMEROTA: But they do say that he's going to be in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day.

BERMAN: And that's not going to change for some time.

PEREIRA: No, it sure won't.

We're going to take a look ahead here at this horrifying story out of San Francisco. The confession of the accused San Francisco killer firing up renewed debate over illegal immigration on the heels of inflammatory remarks by Donald Trump. So we'll look at what the political fallout could be.

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[06:20:54] BERMAN: Presidential campaign, which means Donald Trump's campaign. His comments about illegal immigration that caused so much controversy. And now the murder of a young woman in California by an undocumented immigrant with five deportations and seven felonies is adding fuel to the fire here, adding so much to this debate. Trump wasted little time weighing in. And now the question is where might this new tragedy, where might this now take the discussion?

Joining us to discuss this this morning, CNN political commentator, Republican consultant Margaret Hoover and CNN political analyst and editor in chief of "The Daily Beast," John Avlon.

Friends, thank you for being with us.

MARGARET HOOVER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Good morning.

BERMAN: This is a tragedy. A young woman lost her life, and we grieve for her; and our thoughts go out to this family.

Donald Trump quickly entered this discussion about what happened in San Francisco. Let me read you his statement. He said, "This senseless and totally preventable act of violence committed by an illegal immigrant is yet another example of why we must secure our border immediately. This is an absolutely disgraceful situation, and I am the only one that can fix it."

So, Margaret, we have here Donald Trump essentially saying, "I told you so."

HOOVER: Look, Donald Trump is right: we do need to secure the border. But Donald Trump is also not the only one who's saying we need to secure the border. Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush. It's just that Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush and some of these other people who have actually been elected to something before have actually waded into what is a really fraught debate, tried to pass comprehensive immigration reform, or sought to take bold positions on how you achieve that end. Whereas Trump is just blab -- like, he just says it. "I can just -- I can just make it happen."

What was really tragic about this is that San Francisco is a sanctuary city. And that's why, if you're going to be a sanctuary city, you have got to comply with federal enforcement. They said they had no -- the San Francisco Police Department said they had no legal authority to hand this criminal over to the Immigration Customs Enforcement.

CAMEROTA: He was in custody before this event.

HOOVER: If you have -- five times. If you have a detention order on a criminal, what do you mean, if you're a police department, that you have no authority to hand them over to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement? That is what's so despicable.

JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes. There are two disgraces here. I mean, I worked for a mayor of New York. New York is classified by many as a sanctuary city. There is no procedure in place, and this is close to being true in San Francisco, as well, where if an individual has an outstanding felony, that you do not communicate that to the federal authorities. That's supposed to be standard operating procedures. So if San Francisco is not following those procedures, that's a disgrace.

What's also a disgrace, obviously, is trying to politicize and paint with a broad brush on a specific tragedy, which is senseless. And that's, of course, what a shameless guy named Donald Trump does professionally at this conference (ph).

CAMEROTA: But hold on a second, John, because is that a disgrace, or does he say, "Here's Exhibit A. I'm taking heat for what I said on immigration. Here is Exhibit A"?

AVLON: I think the issue is about focusing on individual cases and specific solutions, and painting with a broad brush, and labeling an entire group of people rapists, drug dealers, et cetera, et cetera.

Now, the way to constructively pivot on this from the context of the presidential campaign is to have a real debate. Because if you're going to get angry and politicize a broken immigration system, you damn better propose solutions.

BERMAN: But you're saying -- you're saying the issue with Trump is one of tone. And I think Trump would say, "You know what? I don't care about tone."

HOOVER: But guess who else disagrees with Donald Trump? Not just Jeb Bush, not just Marco Rubio. Rick Perry. I mean there are -- what you see now is a lot of nuance on the Republican side about how to handle immigration, how to handle these issues. Which, by the way, very different from 2012 where the nominee of the party said the best solution is self-deportation. Now you see not a monolithic response on the Republican side but real texture, real nuance.

AVLON: What I think you see too much on the part of the Republicans is the sense that "Donald Trump is being very destructive about our attempts to reach out and broaden our base. However, it's still politically too dangerous to back immigration reform on the part of too many candidates." And that's got to change.

CAMEROTA: Well, over the weekend, what did change is that the Republican candidates did come out more forcefully and speak more vociferously against Donald Trump. So here is just one. Here's what Jeb Bush had to say over the weekend.

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JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Trump is wrong on this. He's not a stupid guy, so I don't assume he, like -- he thinks that every Mexican crossing the borders are rapists. I mean, so he's doing this to inflame and to incite and to draw attention, which is -- seems to be his organizing principle of this campaign.

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[06:25:10] CAMEROTA: OK. There you go. I mean, that's what people were hoping he would have said ten days ago.

AVLON: Yes.

HOOVER: Like, I think -- I think Jeb didn't want to dignify the comments with a response. But here he is saying, "This is not going to be the stance of the Republican Party." And good on Jeb for taking on that mantle. I think Jeb has been reluctant to say, "I am going to be the standard bearer. I am going to say what the Republican Party stands for." But somebody's got to do it. And, you know, good for him for doing it. Good for Marco Rubio for doing it. good for Rick Perry for doing it.

And by the way, border state governor. I mean, these guys understand this is a complex issue. And it's frankly refreshing to hear this from a Republican guy.

BERMAN: Let's talk about the other side, at least for a second. The presidential campaign is not all about Donald Trump, I understand.

Hillary Clinton was in New Hampshire campaigning this weekend, doing the Fourth of July festivities, doing the parades, like so many candidates do.

And the Clinton campaign ended up putting up a little bit of a rope line to keep the press a little bit back from her in the parades right there. You can see disgruntled reporters. There's nothing the reporter hates more than being told, "Stand back, stand back." Well, the media, we are not happy about this. We don't like it so much. So is this a sign, you know, of a campaign that wants it its way or the highway?

AVLON: It absolutely is. Reporters are not cattle, contrary to popular reputation. And look, apparently, this is a play to Clinton's use in the 1990s. Here's the thing. It doesn't work in the smartphone era. Here's the other thing: Politics follows the lines of physics, that every action creates and equal and opposite reaction. And if you treat the press corps with contempt, you're going to get contempt back. So the Clinton campaign is going to have to change its tone here, or you're going to reap what you sow, ultimately.

CAMEROTA: I mean, Margaret, the optics, as they say, of this. She keeps reporters on a short leash, literally. She has them on a rope leash. So I mean, what is that?

HOOVER: What's -- what's interesting is there was supposed to be this new era of relations between the Clinton campaign and the press. And you have Mark Miller, who's been covering the White House for 30 years, tweeting out, "God, it feels like 1990 again." Because this is sort of the tactic, the strategy, that they...

BERMAN: I will say I'm not sure you're going to see millions of voters in the swing states jumping to the defense of reporters around America right now, but -- but I get your point.

Margaret Hoover, John Avlon, great to have you here. Thanks so much.

CAMEROTA: Good to see you guys. We do have the countdown clock, because we like to keep you guys informed.

PEREIRA: Where are we at?

CAMEROTA: It's 490 days, Michaela, 18 hours, 32 minutes and 50; -- wait for it -- one seconds.

PEREIRA: Can we get a watch that actually just has the countdown? Don't you think those would be good standard issue for CNN?

CAMEROTA: We need that.

PEREIRA: Right. It goes down, you can tell. I think it's a good plan.

All right. So, ahead here, Pope Francis getting quite the rock star treatment in Ecuador, his first stop on a seven-day tour of South America. We're live on the pontiff's trip, next.

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