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Source: Federal Agent's Gun Used in Pier Murder; Hillary Clinton Attacks Republican Rivals; Cosby Admits Buying Drugs to Give to Women for Sex. Aired 6-6:30a ET

Aired July 08, 2015 - 06:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An undocumented Mexican immigrant pleading not guilty to murder.

[05:58:36] MATT GONZALEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Very well could be a completely accidental discharge of a firearm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The gun that was used in this case, actually traced back to a federal agent.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I, myself, was drugged by Cosby.

DREW PINSKY, HOST, HLN'S "DR. DREW ON CALL": The Quaalude is a medication that causes memory difficulty, severe intoxication.

WHOOPI GOLDBERG, CO-HOST, ABC'S "THE VIEW": In America, you actually were innocent until proven guilty.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am 100 percent behind comprehensive immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: What is your comment to his recent comments that some Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals?

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota, and Michaela Pereira.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: You all right over there?

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: I dropped something.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning. Welcome to your NEW DAY. It is Wednesday, July 8, 6 a.m. in the East.

Up first, the undocumented immigrant who shot and killed a San Francisco woman used a gun belonging to a federal agent. Reports this morning that he got his hands on the weapon after breaking into the agent's car last month.

CAMEROTA: The suspect, Juan Francisco Sanchez, pleading not guilty in court, despite that videotaped confession that we all saw. Now, that admission is in question this morning after he apparently had a hard time understanding English in court.

All of this as the blame game intensifies over why the five-time deportee was released from jail.

Let's begin with CNNs Dan Simon. He is live in San Francisco with all the latest. Good morning, Dan.

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Morning, Alisyn.

What a twist this story has taken. Here you have the suspect, who has been the impetus for a major public policy discussion in this country on federal immigration, is accused of using a federal agent's weapon to commit this crime. How he got a hold of this weapon is under investigation. All this now as the suspect had his first appearance in court.

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JUAN FRANCISCO SANCHEZ, CHARGED WITH MURDER: Not culpable.

SIMON: Undocumented immigrant Juan Francisco Lopez Sanchez pleaded not guilty at his arraignment Tuesday.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you shoot Kate Steinle?

J. SANCHEZ: Yes.

SIMON: But just three days ago, he told a reporter that he did shoot and kill Kate Steinle on this popular California pier last week. His attorneys contend that he may not have understood the reporter's question.

GONZALEZ: Mr. Sanchez is not a student of the law. He has a second- grade education.

SIMON: Also developing, a source close to the investigation says the gun that killed Kate belonged to a federal agent. "The San Francisco Chronicle" reports the 40-caliber pistol was stolen out of an agent's car back in June.

J. SANCHEZ: Heard a boom, boom, three times.

SIMON: Sanchez, who has never been convicted of a violent crime, claimed in that same interview that he found the gun wrapped in a T- shirt by a bench, and he didn't mean to fire it.

GONZALEZ: This very well could be a completely accidental discharge of the firearm.

SIMON: The seven-time convicted felon has been deported five times to Mexico.

SEN. RON JOHNSON (R), WISCONSIN: He was released in general society to make a murder. Does that make any sense to you? SIMON: At a Senate hearing, Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson, who chairs

the Homeland Security Committee, berated an immigration enforcement official over why Sanchez wasn't handed over to federal authorities.

JOHNSON: Tell me specifically, what is preventing us, when we have people in this country illegally, and they have had seven prior felony convictions, why aren't we able to deport those individuals?

PHILIP MILLER, ICE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: In that particular place, our detainer was not honored. San Francisco Sheriff's Department did not honor the detainer that we lodged.

SIMON: San Francisco, with its so-called sanctuary law, doesn't comply with detainers to keep undocumented immigrants in custody.

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SIMON: Both of California's senators, Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, are questioning whether new laws are needed to prevent something like this from happening again. Feinstein herself, a former mayor of San Francisco, is calling on the current mayor, Ed Lee, to start cooperating with federal authorities. Alisyn, the shooting happening exactly one week ago today. And every day seems to bring a new development.

CAMEROTA: It does. Dan, thanks so much for that. and we will have much more on who was responsible for his release and this murder investigation in just a few minutes.

PEREIRA: Hillary Clinton talking exclusively to CNN in her first national interview for the 2016 race. The Democratic frontrunner attacks her Republican rivals and weighs in on the San Francisco murder reigniting the immigration debate.

CNN senior political correspondent Brianna Keilar joins us live from Iowa City with the first part of her interview. Quite a wide-ranging series of topics, Brianna.

KEILAR: It certainly was, Michaela. But it was significant that Hillary Clinton really laid out the battle plan on immigration reform for her 2016 run.

What's interesting is the hallmark of her second run for the presidency. We've seen her embracing this coalition of voters that propelled President Obama into the White House twice. Women, young people, the LGBT, African-Americans, and notably, Hispanic Americans. So we've seen her tack to the left on immigration reform.

Yesterday, during this interview, we saw her say, essentially, that even though there are a number of views in the Republican field on immigration reform, everything from supporting a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants to simply only securing the border, Hillary Clinton plans to lump all Republicans together as anti- comprehensive immigration reform.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) KEILAR: Donald Trump is also creating quite a lot of commotion on the other side. He's a friend of yours, has been over the years. He donated to your Senate campaign, to The Clinton Foundation.

What's your reaction to his recent comments that some Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals?

CLINTON: I'm very disappointed in those comments, and I feel very bad and very disappointed with him and with the Republican Party for not responding immediately and saying, enough, stop it.

But they are all in the -- you know, in the same general area on immigration. They don't want to provide a path to citizenship. They range across a spectrum of being either grudgingly welcome or hostile toward immigrants. And I'm going to talk about comprehensive immigration reform. I'm going to talk about all of the good, law- abiding, productive members of the immigrant community that I personally know, that I've met over the course of my life, that I would like to see have a path to citizenship.

[06:05:14] KEILAR: But what about Jeb Bush's approach to that?

It's different, certainly, than Donald Trump's and...

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CLINTON: Well, he doesn't -- he doesn't believe in a path to citizenship. If he did at one time, he no longer does. And so pretty much they're -- as I said, they're on a spectrum of, you know, hostility, which I think is really regrettable in a nation of immigrants like ours, all the way to kind of grudging acceptance but refusal to go with a pathway to citizenship.

I think that's a mistake. I think that we know we're not going to deport 11 or 12 million people. We shouldn't be breaking up families. We shouldn't be stopping people from having the opportunity to be fully integrated legally within our country. It's good for us. It's good economically. It's good for the taxes that will be legally collected. It's good for the children, so that they can go as far as their hard work and talent will take them.

So I am 100 percent behind comprehensive immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship.

KEILAR: Last week an undocumented immigrant who had been deported five times killed a 32-year-old woman, Kate Steinle, in San Francisco, a sanctuary city where local law enforcement does not enforce federal immigration laws.

When you last ran for president you supported sanctuary cities.

In light of this terrible incident, does that change anything about your view on this?

CLINTON: Well, what should be done is any city should listen to the Department of Homeland Security, which as I understand it, urged them to deport this man again after he got out of prison another time.

Here's a case where we've deported, we've deported, we've deported. He ends back up in our country, and I think the city made a mistake. The city made a mistake, not to deport someone that the federal government strongly felt should be deported.

So I have absolutely no support for a city that ignores the strong evidence that should be acted on.

However, there are -- like if it were a first-time traffic, you know, citation, if it were something minor, a misdemeanor, that's entirely different. This man had already been deported five times. And he should have been deported at the request of the federal government.

KEILAR: What's changed when it comes to your approach with the media?

We've seen now -- you're doing this interview here today. It's been since you declared that you've done a national interview like this. We saw sort of a visual representation of the arm's length with the rope incident this weekend in New Hampshire.

What's changed? Why now?

CLINTON: Well, nothing's really changed. I just have a different rhythm to my campaign. I'm not running my campaign for the press. I'm running it for voters. I totally respect the press and what the press has to do. But I wanted and was determined to have the time that I needed to actually meet and listen to people.

You know, I had not been involved in domestic politics while I was secretary of state, and I just wanted to get my own feel, my own time, face-to-face with people; and I learned a lot, Brianna. I mean, if I had not been listening in those small groups where people told me about substance abuse and the toll it was taking on their families or untreated mental health problems or the struggles of just to get paid sick days, I would have been concerned about them, but I wouldn't have made them as absolute front and center in my campaign. And there are number of other issues that are like that.

So I've always believed that I would spend the first 90 days and that -- it'll be 90 days on Sunday -- kind of getting my feel of what was going on in the country, feeling that I understood what people wanted and how they perceived this election so that, as I began to roll out my policies, I'm doing it in a way that really connects with where people are thinking and what they're expecting.

So obviously, I'll be doing a lot more press. I did local press all along, the last three months because, again, it was interesting to see what questions the local press would be asking me.

So you know, everything has its own time; and I'm on my own rhythm and I feel very good about it.

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KEILAR: Hillary Clinton's campaign is entering a new phase here. This was the first nationally-televised interview that she did. But we are expecting that there will be more in the coming weeks as she unveils them of her policy proposal. That will begin on Monday when she gives a speech on her economic policy proposals.

And Chris and Alisyn, it's important to note this new phase starting up, as we see Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, a self-described Democratic socialist, surging in the polls in Iowa, New Hampshire, even though Hillary Clinton is still very much the front-runner.

[06:10:06] CUOMO: A key component of all decisions is usually pressure from the opponent. Brianna, thank you very much for bringing us the interview.

CAMEROTA: Really interesting. Interesting interview, Brianna, thanks.

CUOMO: All right. So what did we learn, and more importantly, what did you learn about what Hillary Clinton could offer you as president of the United States. Let us discuss. We have CNN political analyst, Maggie Haberman, of course of "The New York Times."

It's great to have you with us this morning. So it's an interesting paradox we have here. We've been bashing Hillary, because she doesn't talk to the media. She decides to talk to the media, and we decide it's like a huge concert. It's like a Springsteen concert, which is such a great, big deal that she talked to us. What was learned in here that people can count on?

MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Springsteen without T-shirts and without hand waving. Look, I think that she said -- there were certain things she said that we have heard her say before. She talked about the e-mails. She did a large press conference about that.

What I was really struck by in this interview, and Brianna touched on this before, was how much she talked about immigration. That is really going to be a centerpiece of her campaign. She's using that issue to sort of appeal to Hispanics. She is using that issue to grab onto Donald Trump's inflammatory comments and paint the entire Republican field with it.

I was very struck by what she said about Jeb Bush, if he wants...

CUOMO: Is she scared of Bush?

HABERMAN: She's accurate. I mean, he has been sort of, you know, back and forth on this.

CUOMO: But to say that he is lumped in with the rest of the GOP when he's married to a Mexican-American.

HABERMAN: That is -- I think that that was different than what she said about pathway to citizenship, where I think he has had some trouble articulating his view in the last two years.

But yes, look, if Jeb -- you are correct. If Jeb Bush runs, he is going to make the case that "I am a moderate on immigration reform. I am not like the rest." And she is clearly aware that that could make him very strong.

CUOMO: Was she honest about her own position, where she says she's always been for a path to citizenship? She's been quite consistent.

HABERMAN: She has been consistent on most issues, really, of immigration. What tripped her up in the 2008 campaign was a 2007 debate over Eliot Spitzer's plan for...

CAMEROTA: Driver's licenses.

HABERMAN: ... driver's licenses.

CAMEROTA: For illegals.

HABERMAN: Correct. The issue, actually, was not her position on it. The issue was that she waffled in the debate. And then she actually ended up, you know, where liberals would want her to be. This is not an issue where she has had a huge problem. You are going to see some criticism of her from some in the Hispanic community who would like her to be more vocal and have more ties (ph).

CAMEROTA: And from Jeb Bush. Let me just read to you what Jeb Bush said after this interview came out on immigration. Jeb Bush said, "Hillary Clinton has once again changed her position on an issue for politically expedient purposes. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected, and her numerous flip-flops on immigration prove it."

So you're saying she actually has not had flip-flops?

HABERMAN: No. And I think -- and I think that part of why Jeb Bush is saying that is because Jeb Bush has actually faced accusations that he has flip-flopped on this issue. However narrowly, he has not received the same criticism that Scott Walker of Wisconsin has on this issue. But Jeb Bush has gotten some heat.

Remember, what Jeb Bush said that was very controversial in 2014 was that immigration -- illegal immigration was an act of love on the part of families. That tone is very different than what he is taking now. And that's what she's trying to...

CUOMO: Are people served -- do you think the interests of the people watching this show, watching the election, are served by the strict adherence to who changes the position and who doesn't? I mean, isn't there something to be said for evolving your ideas as situations and circumstances change?

HABERMAN: If you're talking about gay marriage, almost everybody is a flip-flopper. Almost everybody was against it at one point. And then, you know, the tide of public opinion changed.

If you're talking about something like immigration, that tends to be thornier. But look, voters do tend to believe that a lot of politicians are flip-floppers. Right? So that accusation has to relate to something else.

In Hillary Clinton's case, there has been this issue about character, about trust that has been building against her. Brianna raised that with her. And that was a -- that was a real sort of tense moment in that interview.

CAMEROTA: Because basically, what Hillary Clinton said -- I mean, correct me if I'm wrong -- was that she sort of blamed the right-wing conspiracy again, by saying that it's the Republicans who have cast her as untrustworthy. She's always been trustworthy. And it's just this massive Republican program to make she and her husband seem otherwise. Was that the right -- is that a winning answer?

HABERMAN: Well, I mean, look, she -- it's a winning answer for your base. It's a winning answer for your supporters to say, "Look, I'm under attack."

Remember, Hillary Clinton has tended to fare very well politically when she is viewed as a victim. She's not wrong when she says that "This character attack playbook was used on me twice in New York and by the Republicans." This is a blue state. It's not quite the same thing as running nationally. But that is going to be her main answer. Because that's sort of the only answer you can give.

The emails, she was very defensive answering questions about that. I was very struck by it. She still, I think, thinks this is an unfair issue. She's clearly very angry about the congressional hearings into this topic; thinks that it has gone too far.

But she had one line at one point where she didn't have to turn over anything. I'm paraphrasing. But it was basically that point. That's not a great answer to that question, considering she was using a private email for government-related business.

CAMEROTA: Maggie, great information. Thanks so much for dissecting it all with us. We'll be playing much more of the Hillary Clinton interview in our coming hour. Thanks.

HABERMAN: Thank you.

[06:15:03] CUOMO: And a big part of why this is going to be interesting to you is we're going to be -- because of how people react to it. You've got Jeb Bush says what he feels about what Hillary said about him. And also Donald Trump. For whatever reason, he's still getting attention on this immigration issue that he's teed up that existed before him, as far as I can tell.

But if you are interested in what he has to say in defense of himself, Anderson Cooper is going to sit down with him at 8 Eastern, on CNN, of course.

CAMEROTA: And for all the latest political news, go to CNNPolitics.com, where you can find it -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right. Another top story. Strong reaction and mounting fallout this morning for actor Bill Cosby. Disney removing the actor's statue from one of its theme parks. And now at least two TV networks are pulling reruns of "The Cosby Show." All of this after court documents show that Cosby admitted under oath

that he acquired drugs with the intent of giving them to women he wanted to have sex with.

CNN's Boris Sanchez is here with all of the very latest. More developments overnight.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Michaela.

The fallout continues for Cosby. That 2005 deposition the strongest evidence for more than two dozen woman that claim the 77-year-old comedian drugged and raped them.

While Cosby has denied those accusations, many are distancing themselves from him. Disney removing a statue of Cosby from their Hollywood Studios theme park, not commenting on that decision. And two networks, Bounce TV and Centric, pulling reruns of "The Cosby Show."

While many are turning their backs on Cosby, his friend, Whoopi Goldberg, defending him on "The View" yesterday.

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GOLDBERG: In America, still -- I know it's a shock -- but you actually were innocent until proven guilty. He has not been proven.

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B. SANCHEZ: Again, Cosby has denied those accusations. And Chris, his attorney, declined the chance to comment on that 2009 deposition.

CUOMO: Changing the strategy there a little bit in the case of the most recent allegations. Boris, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Big news this morning coming out of Greece. They are applying for yet another bailout from Europe. The country is facing a hard Sunday deadline to resolve this debt crisis or face bankruptcy and expulsion from the Europe system. This crisis is certainly putting world markets on edge. Let's look at China. It's at a seven-week low. They've stopped trading on a lot of major stocks there.

We're going to have more on the global economic turmoil going on as a result later this hour.

CAMEROTA: President Obama briefing Senate Democrats at a White House meeting Tuesday night on the ongoing nuclear Iran talks. The State Department says they have made substantial progress in every area. The new deadline for a deal is Friday. But tomorrow may be a more important day for the president. If a deal is not done by then, Congress' time to review it doubles from 30 to 60 days.

PEREIRA: Investigators are trying to figure out just how an Air Force jet -- fighter jet collided in midair with a small private plane, killing two people. It happened yesterday just north of Charleston, South Carolina. The Air Force pilot survived. He ejected himself from the F-16 just in time.

Debris, we're told, from the mid-air crash spans some seven miles. So many questions about how this happened. There was a little bit of cloud in the area. But there's a lot of questions.

CAMEROTA: Terrible.

PEREIRA: A big investigation ahead.

CAMEROTA: All right, Michaela. Thanks, so much.

New revelations in the murder of a woman on that San Francisco pier. The crime reportedly carried out with a federal official's stolen weapon. And now there's the responsibility blame game between local and federal authorities. A former immigration official will tell us who was responsible for this illegal immigrant.

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[06:22:27] CUOMO: Here's what we know. A beautiful young woman was shot and killed in San Francisco by a man who should not have been in the country. Who's responsible for being on the street? The feds? The local authorities? They give us this. (SHRUGS) Now, that's not a surprise, but it matters here, because if this doesn't get fixed, it will not be prevented the next time.

So let's bring in Julie Myers Wood. She served as assistant secretary of immigration and customs enforcement, also known as ICE, for the Department of Homeland Security.

It's good to have you back as this story evolves, because our understanding is not. Here's my first question. We have part fact, part policy. Fact: ICE had this guy in custody, served his sentence. They then transferred him to California for this minor drug offense. Why? Why didn't ICE use the supremacy of federal law and go ahead with deportation right there instead of carrying through a criminal justice process which was irrelevant?

JULIE MYERS WOOD, FORMER ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY: Well, Chris, actually, it was the Bureau of Prisons that had him in custody for immigration charges...

CUOMO: Right.

MYERS WOOD: ... criminal immigration charges, that's true. And drug charges. I mean, it's a great question why the DOP didn't honor ICE's detainer, which was placed with the DOP at that time, but instead referred him to San Francisco for that old drug charge.

What I've heard from insiders at ICE is that the city of San Francisco had initially indicated they were going to prosecute that old drug charge. Otherwise, there would be no reason for the Bureau of Prisons to send the individual to the city.

And also, I think the Bureau of Prisons needs to rethink, you know, should we continue to pass folks on for city warrants if ICE detainers are not being honored?

CUOMO: Julie, please, feel free to push back on this. This doesn't smell right to me. It's always somebody else. ICE is in charge. This is what you do. This is why you were created. This is why INS was changed so that you would have plenary authority, as we say in the law, over these matters. The Bureau of Prisons...

MYERS WOOD: Oh, I would love that. I would love that, Chris. But plenary authority is not -- is not what ICE has.

CUOMO: Except that -- except that ICE and, if you go to the bureau prisons, they're going to say ICE was aware the guy was here. They could have acted whenever they wanted. You go to San Francisco, San Francisco's sheriff, you know, the man there in charge of these types of actions says that detainer, they know that that's meaningless. They know they need a court order. They were in charge. They didn't.

It seems as though this, what we saw with this man is a reflection of ICE not getting it done and blaming others. Fair criticism?

MYERS WOOD: I don't think -- I don't think that is a fair criticism. Let me say, I think there's plenty of blame to go around here. You know, there's big questions about why this individual could come into the U.S., kind of all those times, stay here during all those times.

In this instance, however, ICE did place a federal criminal warrant on the individual. He was then convicted of deportation -- of excuse me, reentering after deportation, and then served that time.

[06:25:11] In 2009, ICE identified this was an individual that they wanted to have him criminally prosecuted and then deported. And one of the reasons that you bring criminal charges first is that often, that's a bigger deterrent. Hasn't work well with this guy. But often, it's a bigger deterrent.

So ICE in 2009 put that federal criminal warrant on the individual and then also placed an immigration detainer with the Bureau of Prisons in 2011. When he was moved to San Francisco, ICE knew that San Francisco wouldn't just hold him. So they said, "Hey, just pick up the phone. You don't need a court order. Pick up the phone and let us know if this individual is..."

CUOMO: And he says -- he says, "No. It's not -- that's not how it works. We can't just pick up the phone. We do need a court order."

The reason these sanctuaries -- you know people don't like that phrase, right, sanctuary laws, sanctuary cities. And the reason they don't like it is because this isn't about people wanting to protect the undocumented from the law. It's that, very often, ICE asks for things to be done with individuals that the municipalities wind up getting sued for, losing and paying.

So this evolved out of ICE, or INS previously, being inefficient with how it dealt with these things. Isn't that fair?

MYERS WOOD: And there's no question that ICE and the former INS were -- are inefficient.

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CUOMO: But that's why these sanctuary city was developed. It's not about just being a mushy lefty who wants to protect everybody who comes to this country. It's that there was exposure to liability. The law wasn't working well. ICE wasn't getting it done, and these municipalities had to find their own way.

MYERS WOOD: Well, Chris, let's be fair.

CUOMO: Yes.

MYERS WOOD: San Francisco has had these policies long before there was any criticism on the formal detainer process.

CUOMO: But why?

MYERS WOOD: ICE evolved and moved. You know, I'm not sure of all the reasons. I think some reasons...

CUOMO: Yes.

MYERS WOOD: ... are that -- that individuals don't like immigration enforcement at all. And so they want to push back on any kind of immigration enforcement. I think it's fair to say that...

CUOMO: But that's -- but where is the proof of that, even in San Francisco? I know the reputation of the city. But you have it in New York, Chicago. If all these big cities are doing the same thing, is it that they all want to keep...

MYERS WOOD: Actually, they're not doing the same thing. Actually, they're not doing the same thing. It's a -- it's a misnomer that they're all the same way.

In many cities, there are effective workarounds or there are effective ways to cooperate when we're talking about convicted felons. So the sanctuary city, as you said, is not a defined term. And many, many cities cooperate with ICE to some degree.

What ICE is asking here is that could the city sit down with ICE and they come to an agreement on individuals that both sides agree shouldn't be walking the streets? That's what's happened in Houston. That's what happens in a workaround in Chicago. That's what happens all over the country.

And the reason for that is at the end of the day, we've got to stop pointing fingers and we've got to focus on public safety. And I think what's missing here is how can we get to public safety?

If ICE had unilateral authority, this individual would be out of the country. But it doesn't. It has to work within the system we currently have.

One of the suggestions I have seen is to change the law. Maybe we should do that. Maybe we should look at ways to incentivize cities to cooperate, by taking away funding, for example, if they don't cooperate; or to encourage them in some way to cooperate with ICE. Because we've got to change this. Currently, it's not working.

CUOMO: That is certainly something that everybody is going to agree with. The question is how and who. And we will stay on this story to find those answers. Julie, thank you for helping us.

MYERS WOOD: Great. Thanks, Chris.

CUOMO: All right. Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK, Chris. There's more fallout this morning from Bill Cosby's admission he got sedatives to give to women he wanted to have sex with. Two women who accused Cosby of sexual assault join us with their reaction, next.

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