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Deadly Storms Tear Through Midwest; Manhunt Intensifies for Memphis Cop Killer; White House Announces Deal to Clean Up Power Plants; Senate to Vote on Defunding Planned Parenthood; Joe Biden to Enter Presidential Race?; Why Won't Investigators Say Part is Definitely from MH-370? Aired 7-7:30a ET

Aired August 03, 2015 - 07:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow, look at that. That is just something else.

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST (voice-over): A stark white tornado against a black sky, evidence of what's been slamming the Midwest. Illinois bearing the major brunt of these storms: one man killed, three seriously injured, and more than a dozen hospitalized after large hail and 60 mile-per-hour winds ripped through a festival in Wood Dale, Illinois, uprooting a commercial-sized tent and toppling it onto the crowd.

[07:00:09] In Chicago's Grant Park, severe weather forced a temporary evacuation of the famous Lollapalooza music festival.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's crazy right now. There's so many people here that just evacuated the whole situation. It's pretty wild.

MYERS: Tens of thousands of concert goers spilling out on the streets of downtown Chicago to only three emergency shelters. The festival resuming performances an hour later.

In Michigan, a tornado touching down north of Detroit. Large hail, torrential downpours and wind gusts exceeding 60 miles per hour, pounding several communities there.

Widespread power outages across the state, leaving thousands in the dark.

The dramatic video of this stunning tornado near Nevinville, Iowa, a reminder of nature's destructive power. The residents here got lucky; no one was hurt.

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MYERS (on camera): And we still have big storms going this morning. Typically, we don't have them going at this hour. But this is very close to Covington, Kentucky, just south of Cincinnati. Still, 40,000 feet tall. Look at the structure of this story. Even as we speak right now, still tall, still severe, still making hail in some of these areas. We will have severe weather all the way from upstate New York all the

way down south again to Cincinnati and Columbus, Ohio, later on today. Damaging winds, large hail, isolated tornadoes. Because there's a cold front coming. That cold front is going to push the humid air that's already in place up into the sky. It's humid. It's hot. In New York City today, it's going to feel like 97. And it's going to be cooler by Wednesday. It will feel like 84. The dry air is coming in. But when that dry air replaces the humid air, you can get severe weather popping up. I think we'll have that later on this afternoon, as well.

Guys, back to you.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: And that's the concern as we watch it across the country. Chad, thank you very much. We'll check back with you in a little bit.

I want to put up a picture for you. There's a manhunt on right now for this guy. He is an accused cop killer in Memphis. The officer involved, Sean Bolton. He was gunned down Saturday night. A reward is on the table to bring his murderer to justice.

CNN national correspondent Boris Sanchez here with the latest. And this was a cop who had a family and a history of service.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right. He was a Marine. Investigators now on the hunt for 29-year-old Tremaine Wilbourn. He's believed to be at large and armed and dangerous.

Investigators tell us that Sean Bolton approached the car that was illegally parked on Saturday night. He shone a light on it. And that's when Wilbourn confronted him and opened fire. Investigators tell us they believe Bolton interrupted a drug deal. They later found a digital scale and a small bag of marijuana in that car.

To clarify, Wilbourn was the passenger in the car. The driver took off after the shooting, but later turned himself in to police. He is not being charged right now. Officers clearly still on the hunt for Wilbourn. They say he acted recklessly and ruined lives.

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TONEY ARMSTRONG, DIRECTOR, MEMPHIS POLICE DEPARTMENT: When you look at this individual, you're looking at a coward. He's a coward. He literally destroyed a family. Look at the impact that that's had on this department, this community, this city for less than two grams of marijuana.

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SANCHEZ: Memphis Police clearly emotional there. There is a $10,000 reward for any information that leads to the capture of Tremaine Wilbourn. One important thing to note: Officers tell us he was actually on supervised release. He had been serving a ten-year sentence for robbery.

CUOMO: It makes it that much worse. This man an Iraq vet. He's got a family. He's doing his job, and now he's gone.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: And he is wanted, this man, this other man is. But police are on the lookout, and they'll be spreading that picture as much as you can. Boris, thanks so much for that.

Well, the gloves are off on Capitol Hill this morning. President Obama unveils an ambitious new climate-change plan that Republicans are already threatening to fight in court.

And the Senate votes on a bill to cut funding for Planned Parenthood. The issue is expected to be in focus on the campaign trail. Got the team coverage starting for you this morning with CNN White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski.

Good morning, Michelle.

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Michaela. Yes, you read the title of this, "Clean Power Plan." But you also might as well be reading in big letters, "legacy."

Here's what the administration says this plan is going to do. Cut carbon emissions specifically from power plants by 32 percent over 2005 levels by the year 2030. The administration also says this is going to have sweeping effect even medically, that it's going to reduce the number of premature deaths because of emissions by some 90 percent over 2005. Childhood asthma attacks by some 90,000 cases. Economically, they say it's going to reduce energy costs and grow jobs, because now there's going to be this additional focus on clean energy.

But that is the opposite of what critics say it's going to do. Anyway, here's President Obama in this video that was released on social media.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Power plants are the single biggest source of the harmful carbon pollution that contributes to climate change. But until now, there have been no federal limits to the amount of that pollution those plants can dump into the air.

[07:05:10] If you believe, like I do, that we can't condemn our kids and grandkids to a planet that's beyond fixing, then I'm asking you to share this message with your friends and family.

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KOSINSKI: So yes, the pushback has already started from Republicans, from candidates, from climate change doubters/deniers. Certain states are planning on taking the administration to court over this. Over the weekend, Jeb Bush called the plan irresponsible and overreaching -- Chris.

CUOMO: Michelle, you have what the plan, the policy is, and then what it means politically. That's going to play out. And there's another issue just like it on the table: controversial

Planned Parenthood videos. Arguably doctored; have nevertheless put the practice of selling fetal tissue for medical research front and center, fueling a new fight to get rid of Planned Parenthood, essentially.

Senate Republicans have a bill and a threat to shut down the government on the table.

CNN senior Washington correspondent Joe Johns has more details. They need 60 to be veto-proof. Probably don't get it. But the dialogue, very shifted because of these videos -- Joe.

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: That's right, and it's going to go on and on, Chris. That vote expected to occur around 5:30 Eastern time. It is fallout from those controversial videos that put a spotlight on the practice of providing fetal tissue for researchers.

Of course, the subtext here is certainly all about abortion. Planned Parenthood says only about 3 percent of its services involve abortion. And you can only use federal funds in cases of rape, incest or where the life of the mother is at stake. That's something Planned Parenthood has been pointing up in recent videos it has put out. Listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was diagnosed with Stage IIB breast cancer.

If I didn't have Planned Parenthood, I probably never would have gotten my breasts checked.

I can honestly say that I am here today, healthy and alive, because of Planned Parenthood.

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JOHNS: Now, supporters of this bill are facing an uphill fight, because the White House has said the president will veto any such measure if it reaches his desk. But the stage is set, because there is a big upcoming spending bill in the fall. And the question is whether Republicans will try, at least, to shut down the government over this issue -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: All right, Joe. Yes, we'll be watching for that.

And all of this is sure to impact the 2016 presidential race. Hillary Clinton looking to soften up her image with her first TV ad of the election season. But word now that Vice President Joe Biden could be weighing a challenge against her.

CNN senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny has more for us on all of this. I saw the new ad. What are your thoughts?

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Hey, good morning, Michaela.

I mean, those new ads certainly are interesting. But let's start with Joe Biden first. I mean, he really is carefully watching this presidential campaign and deciding if he should jump in to challenge Hillary Clinton and the rest of the Democratic field.

Over the weekend, several of his close friends and advisers told me that they are urging him to do it. They believe he would be a stronger Democratic nominee than Hillary Clinton. They worry her favorability ratings have already taken a bit of a hit and could continue to fall.

Now, all of this is happening as the intrigue is growing, as she is launching her first campaign ads this week. As you said, Michaela, intended to soften her image and remind voters of her life story, including how she went to work for the man who defeated her back in 2008. Let's take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The senator who made sure the heroes and families of 9/11 got the care they needed. The secretary of state who joined the cabinet of the man who defeated her, because when your president calls, you serve. And now a new title, grandma.

CLINTON: I believe that when families are strong, America is strong.

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ZELENY: Now, these ads were filmed two months ago, aides tell me, so they're not in direct response to the flurry of speculation about Joe Biden.

But one of the reasons he's giving this a careful look is the conversation he had with his son, Beau, before he died of brain cancer back in May. Now, he urged his father to run for president. And now, we're learning one of Beau's top political adviser has joined the "draft Biden" movement to round up support if the vice president decides to jump into the race.

But Chris, I'm told he feels no pressure to make a decision quickly and could wait until September or even later and make that decision known.

CUOMO: Well, Jeff, as you know and anybody who watches politics knows that Joe Biden, more than most, is a man of conscience. He's going to do what he feels is right. The question is when? That's why we're talking about it.

ZELENY: That's right.

CUOMO: All right, let's discuss. There are three big headlines this morning. Let's bring in CNN political commentator, Republican consultant Margaret Hoover; and CNN political analyst and editor in chief of "The Daily Beast," John Avlon. Good Monday to you both.

MARGARET HOOVER, CNN POLITICAL CONSULTANT: Good morning!

JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Good Monday.

CUOMO: We must discuss the Biden factor, and we will. However, there are two other big headlines that we should "chick chick" before we move on to that intrigue.

[07:10:04] One, the plan. Put up the punch points for what the president's power plan is about. All right. This is what it's supposed to do. All right. You see this, how it cuts the emissions; what it does; what it rewards; what it punishes; why he thinks we should do it. But it's about something else, isn't it, Mr. Avlon? This is about who you want to play to politically.

And you could argue, as Ron Brownstein does in a fairly compelling article he put out some weeks ago, that this is an issue that will divide red and blue maybe more than anything else.

AVLON: Well, certainly, if you come down to states in coal country: West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, which is one of the reasons that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has basically declared war on this provision by the president. It's another example of this president in the fourth quarter of his term really saying, "You know what? We're going all out." This is about specifics on a previously announced plan. But watch this not only become a political hot potato and deeply divisive between red and blue states, but make its way to the Supreme Court. There's going to be some very controversial measures, which already state attorneys general are saying they're going to fight.

But it's a bold on the part of the president to make good on that second inauguration promise to pursue climate change.

CUOMO: Hooves, the speculation is that this is something that may make it easier for you to capture congressional seats by fighting it, but makes it less likely for you to get the White House because of who these types of issues play to in terms of what we should do about the environment. Do you buy that? If so, why?

HOOVER: That may be true, Chris. Unless they're on the local politics. As much as you will see a divide in the Republican Party in terms of just talking about planet change and the best way to go about regulating it.

What President Obama is doing here is issuing broad regulations, because he can't get any bills through his Congress. The Republicans will have a better -- a strategy that will be more legislative rather than rule making. And the rule making here is a legacy play. I mean, that's really what this is about. This is so President Obama can say he has done something about global warming to interact with the global communities. This so he can get into a conference in Paris with other countries in December.

CUOMO: Some say it's also a political move, because he's boxing Republicans into basically being anti-climate change. HOOVER: Force? No, he's going to force them to talk about what you're

going to see the Republican side, because there are 17 candidates running, is that they are not all climate change deniers, as many would have us believe.

AVLON: Just the vast majority are. But I think that...

HOOVER: That's not true.

AVLON: I think that functionally, yes.

CUOMO: She's calling you a liar right to your face.

HOOVER: Right. And the Senate has actually taken votes. And senators who are running for president have actually said...

AVLON: The vast majority.

HOOVER: ... that they believe that the climate is changing and that humans have something to do with it.

AVLON: but they don't know...

HOOVER: How you go about...

CUOMO: It proves that they're cooking the books.

HOOVER: ... how you go about doing it...

CUOMO: Cooking the books, the way Ted Cruz cooks bacon on a machine gun.

HOOVER: How do you go about doing it is different. We have different policy ideas about how you do...

AVLON: It's another way of saying, "I'm not going to commit to any kind of concrete plan." And we see that over and over.

But look, you know, I -- what -- the dynamic you describe, states versus -- make it easier to win House seats, more difficult to win presidential. That's the story of the two parties right now. People who really are going to hate this are those remaining West Virginia Democrats. You know, Jack Conway, running for governor of Kentucky right now, this makes his life exponentially more difficult.

CUOMO: Hooves, you gave me the eye roll when I was talking about Ted Cruz. Will you play the ad of Ted Cruz making bacon on the muzzle of a machine gun, please?

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SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Welcome to Texas. We cook bacon a little differently than most folks. There's grease coming down. That's bacon.

(END VIDEO CLIP) CUOMO: On the muzzle of a machine gun.

HOOVER: I still don't know what that has to do with global warming.

CUOMO: That's Ted Cruz eating it.

HOOVER: I'm not sure what that has to do with global warming.

CUOMO: I thought the metaphor was clever and gave me a segue. So you see that.

AVLON: I appreciate it. And I didn't know they did that in Vancouver.

CUOMO: Planned Parenthood -- oh!

HOOVER: Oh!

CUOMO: Denier.

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CUOMO: Where's Trump? He's going to bankroll you. Trump will bankroll your efforts.

Planned Parenthood.

HOOVER: Yes.

CUOMO: Another metaphor issue.

HOOVER: Yes.

CUOMO: Is the truth that they are selling baby parts for profit? I know you can use the right terminology, fetal tissue. I know you can say it's about medical research. I know you can say this has been going on for a long time. But this is the state of play. Is this what they're doing? And is it enough to change how it gets funded?

AVLON: Look, I mean, there is an open question. We will know later today whether they've got enough votes to hit 60. Some, you know, anti-abortion Democrats seem reluctant to sign onto this bill.

CUOMO: Let's say they don't. Do they shut down the government?

AVLON: You know, Ted Cruz and people running for president, some of them, are going to want to do that. Because they apparently don't learn from history, and see that as a political win. Every time Republicans force a shutdown of the government, ultimately, it benefits the president and the Democrats.

CUOMO: Do they have high ground here? Rand Paul...

AVLON: ... stop backing that.

HOOVER: Here's what's interesting. You're probably not going to get your 60 votes to defund Planned Parenthood, because you have three Republicans, key Republicans who aren't going along with it. Lisa Murkowski likely won't go along with it, but Mark Kirk and Susan Collins have already indicated that they won't.

Rand Paul has said he's not going to shut down the government over that.

CUOMO: Bob Casey's not going to do it.

HOOVER: And -- and Rand Paul has said that, even though he's for defunding Planned Parenthood, he's not going to do it to shut down the government. That's not what he's for.

AVLON: Correct.

HOOVER: In terms of the moral argument here, harvesting and selling fetal tissue or fetal organs has struck a chord in the American electorate and certainly on the Republican side of the field. It's quite interesting.

[07:15:06] CUOMO: Now, is that what struck a chord, or is saying that you're selling baby parts for profit and doctoring videos to show it?

HOOVER: The videos. It's the videos that struck a chord. And that has elevated it.

CUOMO: But is that fair? Or were they altered in a way that makes it seem like something that it isn't?

HOOVER: Regardless of whether they were altered or not, it has brought attention to the fact that fetal tissue is being sold, and people are thinking about it. They weren't before. And what it's done is even the pro-choice, pro-Roe v. Wade Republicans candidates on the 2016 side...

CUOMO: Have to think about it.

HOOVER: ... are for defunding Planned Parenthood.

CUOMO: So wait. Let's leave that right there for a second. Put up the Hillary and Biden numbers. By the way, we're going to talk to Representative Black. She's one of the women in Congress who's pushing to defund Planned Parenthood. We'll test it with her.

Do you think Joe Biden gets in the race, John Avlon, and if so, what are the chances that he beats Hillary? No, don't go sideways on me. Got your wife sitting right next to you, hold you to account. Does he get in, can he win?

AVLON: I think right now, it looks like he gets in, and no, he doesn't win.

CUOMO: Why?

AVLON: Part of the dynamic right now -- first of all, he's a very good contrast with Hillary. But let's be real and pull back for a second. He's 72 years old. One of the reasons the press (ph) is cheerleading this is there's an enormous amount of affection for Joe Biden, and Hillary's relationship with the press is not always good. It's a bit of a double blind, because we want to see a strong competition. We want this narratively not to be a one-party, you know...

CUOMO: True.

AVLON: ... a dominated race. So he's getting brought in, but, you know, that leech he has, while not insurmountable, is unprecedented.

CUOMO: Well, trustworthiness is the Achilles heel...

AVLON: Yes.

CUOMO: ... that your party is hitting like a pinata. He plays to a very strong...

HOOVER: ... independence. I mean, not only does he play to trustworthiness; he plays to other vulnerabilities of Hillary Clinton. I mean, part of her problem is that there's too much of a -- you know, she's too polished; she thinks too much. I mean, this is the guy who is just a gas machine when he's on the campaign trail, because he's so loose-lipped and so authentic as a person. Right? So you really have polar opposites, and many of the things that are vulnerabilities for her are real strengths.

Also, middle class. Who's going to connect to the middle class? Hillary Clinton, the centemillionaire (ph) now? Or Joe Biden from Scranton?

AVLON: Who's authentically middle class, yes.

HOOVER: Actually from Scranton.

AVLON: I will say the Constitution...

CUOMO: Final word, John Avlon.

AVLON: The Constitution does not forbid a vice president from serving more than two terms.

CUOMO: Really? You're going to have to teach me what that means. Margaret, John, thank you very much, as always -- Mick.

HOOVER: OK.

PEREIRA: Well, some news here for you this morning. Officials are scouring the shores of Reunion Island in hopes of finding clues into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. This as experts in France are said to begin testing this week on a wing part found on a wing that was found last week on a remote island in the Indian Ocean. Malaysian officials say the debris does belong to a Boeing 777. Investigators are working to confirm if it, indeed, belongs to MH-370.

CUOMO: There is a state of emergency in California where nearly two dozen wildfires are raging right now. The largest one is called the Rocky Fire, northwest of Sacramento. It's already consumed more than 54,000 acres. Only 5 percent contained. It is threatening thousands of homes this morning. Statewide, more than 9,000 firefighters are battling the wildfires, with over 12,000 people facing evacuation orders. We'll stay on it.

PEREIRA: Remember how dry it is there, with that drought.

The FBI is investigating explosions outside two New Mexico churches ahead of Sunday services. The first explosion tore apart a mailbox outside the Calvary Baptist Church in Los Cruces. The second explosive was in a trash bin outside the Holy Cross Catholic Church. ATF and Homeland Security also involved in the investigation. Thankfully, no injuries reported.

CUOMO: Investigators are set to examine debris widely believed to be from MH-370 that washed ashore last week. Why can't they just say it's from 370? It's from a Boeing 777. Well, it's more complicated than that. And we'll tell you why, right after the break.

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[07:22:22] CUOMO: All right. So here is what we know. Malaysian officials confirm a wing part found on a remote island in the Indian Ocean last week is from a Boeing 777. That's also what MH-370 was. Where's the next part? Why aren't we hearing an answer? Let's discuss.

Mary Schiavo, CNN transportation analyst and a former inspector general of the Department of Transportation; and David Gallo, director of special projects at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution. Both relevant to this discussion.

Mary Schiavo, I start with you. What am I missing? How can it not be from MH-370?

MARY SCHIAVO, CNN TRANSPORTATION ANALYST: Well, I think everyone knows that it most likely is from 370, but to conclusively tell, besides Boeing saying yes, it's the part number; yes, it's a flaperon. It looks like a flaperon. There will also be identifying information, including the part number, serial numbers, et cetera, inside.

But before they do that, they're going to do a lot of analysis on that part. I mean, everything from X-rays to sonograms. I mean, this is going to be a very examined part.

And then when they finally cut it open, it has to be filmed. All the parties to the investigation. There are seven nations in this investigation. They all need to be present. So before they definitively say yes, it is, even though they have intuitively it is, they have to have everybody present and do it in a scientific way.

CUOMO: David Gallo, Mary Schiavo, cogent, intelligent. Yet, I don't get it. What is this sonogram, cutting it open, autopsy of the wing thing? What is all this circumspection going on? If that's what it is, is a flaperon from a 777, and there's only one missing, why the intrigue, David Gallo?

DAVID GALLO, DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL PROJECTS, WOODS HOLE OCEANOGRAPHIC INSTITUTION: That's the way the BEA rolls, the French version of the NTSB. They will be extremely careful about what they say and don't say. And there won't be any leaks coming out of that group. And as Mary said, it's going to be scientific. It's a piece of evidence in a crime -- criminal investigation at this point. And so they're going to take it apart bit by bit.

CUOMO: All right. But it just -- it doesn't breed confidence in this process. That you find a wing. It's from this kind of plane, and now there seems to be confusion. I get what road you're taking us down, Mary. That they want to know as much as they can to try to figure out what happened, not just say it from the plane. How much do you think they can tell? What is this distinction between a deliberate act that they're looking to be able to pinpoint from looking at this wing and what would be deemed nefarious or a bad act?

SCHIAVO: Well, the only way they're going to be able to determine if it was a nefarious fact is if they find some evidence of a crime. For example, if they find characteristic pitting in the wing structure, in the metal or in composites that indicate there was some sort of an explosive device, or if they find residue, which is not likely this long in the ocean.

[07:25:06] So it's possible to find positive evidence of a criminal act. And of course, they can find the absence of that.

But they can tell whether the plane was -- this part came off as the plane was spiraling or hit on impact. There was an air winds directive on this part. It's possible it came off on -- in the crash sequence and never really did go down with the plane. So they can tell those kinds of things, but they'll probably not be able to tell why the plane went down, only that it did in the manner in which it did.

CUOMO: All right. So maybe not from the wing itself. But then, David, we get this U.S. intelligence report on Friday that says that someone in the cockpit deliberately caused -- "deliberately" in quotes -- caused, in quotes, the aircraft's movements. What does that mean?

GALLO: Yes, Chris, you know, I'm still dumbfounded by that. I don't know why say anything and why say it now? And what does that tell us? And what -- how do they know and what more do they know? And so I just don't know what to make of that. I mean, how else -- you know, I thought we had already gotten past that point that this was at the hand of some human.

CUOMO: I don't like that you're asking all the questions that I want to be asking, and you're supposed to be giving me the answers. You're not giving me the answers. You're giving me the questions. What's going on with this guy Gallo, Schiavo?

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GALLO: ... you're just back from vacation, Chris. CUOMO: This is what happens when you put these Italian guys on TV. You can't trust them.

SCHIAVO: Well, you know, this guy Gallo...

CUOMO: So the intel report comes out. It makes people go down this road again. This is what we want to avoid with the MH-370. That's why we will indulge what seems to be an over-abundance of caution before identifying this particular part. But where do you go from here? If it is from the plane, how is this beneficial in the overall understanding of what happened?

SCHIAVO: Well, it's beneficial to, first of all, confirm that the searchers are looking at least in the right part of the world. They're looking in the ocean, and it's washed up on the ocean. So they confirmed that. The plane isn't, you know, on the northern arc, for example. Remember the Inmarsat ping?

CUOMO: Yes, yes.

SCHIAVO: So it confirms that.

But the problem is, is now, for example, the other junk that they picked up on the beach and people are scouring the beach. And that's wonderful that everyone wants to help. But remember, whatever it is deposited on that beach, if the search area is right, it has to float there in the giant gyre. The big whirlpool of garbage. So something heavy like that piece of metal wouldn't be from the float -- from flotsam and jetsam in this gyre.

So at this point, they're going to have to sort out things very carefully. And a lot will be turned in, because the public does want to help.

CUOMO: The public wants to help. There's a lot of conspiracy theories. Maybe this will quiet a little bit some of the "the plane is sitting in a hangar in Afghanistan" tweets that you get every time it comes up.

But, let's not forget why we really care the most. There are families who are waiting for answers. And this is tantalizing out there. And yet, they're not getting their closure, and that's why we keep up the pursuit.

Mary Schiavo, thank you very much.

David Gallo, always a pleasure to have you on the show -- Mick.

PEREIRA: All right, Chris.

Hillary Clinton has unveiled her first ads of the 2016 presidential race. What does it tell us about the kind of race that Hillary and her GOP rivals want to run? John King takes a look "Inside Politics."

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