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Manhunt Intensified for Illinois Cop Killers; Hearing for Officers Charged in Freddie Gray's Death; Stocks Nosedive on China Fears; Cheney Slams Obama in New Book. Aired 6:30-7a ET

Aired September 02, 2015 - 06:30   ET

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[06:32:48] MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Choppers and dozens of K9 teams are assisting in a search for three suspects cop killers on the loose in Illinois. The FBI and U.S. Marshals are joining the manhunt some 60 miles north of Chicago. Those suspects gunned down a 30 year Fox Lake police veteran Joe Gliniewicz Tuesday morning as he pursued them on foot. Several school districts, we're told, are shut down this morning as this manhunt widens.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Police also bracing for potential unrest outside the Baltimore City courthouse, as pretrial hearings get under way for the six police officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray.

Among the motions to be considered on whether to try them together or separately and whether the State Attorney Marilyn Mosby should be removed from the case over conflicts of interest. Gray died, you'll remember, in police custody back in April from a spinal injury.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: The family of a woman who was shot and killed in San Francisco allegedly by an undocumented immigrant has a filed a wrongful death claim against the city's sheriff and two federal agencies. Kathryn Steinle was randomly shot in July as she walked with her father along the waterfront. The suspected gunman, convicted felon Juan Francisco Lopez Sanchez has been deported to Mexico five times but was still somehow on the streets.

PEREIRA: Well, it is not just fever sweeping the Kansas City Royals clubhouse. It was chickenpox. Two players on the Kansas City Royals are infected with chickenpox and quarantined at home. The team says it is monitoring other players watching for symptoms of the virus, which, by the way, just a reminder for all of us doesn't just infect children. In fact, many in the clubhouse actually had to call their moms to find out, hey, mom, did I have chickenpox as a child, or they were still at risk. I had to do that. I had them at 21.

BERMAN: Most of the other royals have had it, so they are OK.

PEREIRA: I know. It was a surprise. Sometimes mom doesn't remember accurately, too.

She had five kids, come on.

CAMEROTA: I remember having the chickenpox. That was hard, even at 5.

Meanwhile, it was a brutal day on Wall Street. The Dow plunging 470 points.

Let's bring in chief business correspondent Christine Romans.

Christine, what's up?

[06:35:00] CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Well, chickenpox, I guess. Chickenpox is better than what's happening in the market.

Let me show what's happening right now, though. It looks as though we are going to have a bounce here. Futures are pointing a little bit higher, and that is a great, great improvement from what we saw yesterday.

What did we see yesterday? This. Ugliness. And almost 500 point decline for the Dow Jones Industrial Average. That is just so ugly.

When you look at the Dow over the past six months, you are down 11.5 percent. That means, folks, over the past year, if you bought stocks, you are under water. What's happening right now with world markets, where you had Europe open for a few hours now, they are all bouncing a bit. But it was another ugly day in Asia.

Chinese stocks plunged 4 percent and had this crazy recovery. Now, that market is closed for four days because they are having these big parades after -- to honor the end of World War II. So, these big parades are closing down the markets for the next four days. So, that could provide a little bit of relief.

I wanted to show you commodities here, one of the big drivers yesterday in the plunge. It was a plunge, again, in oil prices. Oil company stocks falling sharply. ConocoPhillips cutting 10 percent because of those falling oil prices. You got oil prices down another 2 percent this morning, guys.

PEREIRA: You warned us of volatility. Hang on and not really enjoy the ride or be prepared for it. So, we will.

Thanks so much, Christine.

So, we know this manhunt is widening in Illinois. Police are on the lookout for three suspects who shot and killed a veteran police officer. Are police nationwide being targeted? We are going to look at discuss it, ahead.

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[06:40:48] PEREIRA: Three suspects remain on the loose this morning after the fatal shooting of a veteran police officer outside Chicago. Nationwide, officers are reporting feeling concern for their safety.

We want to discuss all of this with two of our guests that we've had here a fair amount. A CNN law enforcement analyst and retired NYPD detective Harry Houck, and CNN political commentator and host for "Huff Post Live", Marc Lamont Hill.

I know you debate issues here robustly. But I think there's not a lot of debate when you see officers being gunned down in the line of duty. I think all of us approach the conversation with a heavy heart.

Marc, I want to ask you, we have been seeing a push for crimes against police officers, attacks on police officers to be included in the hate crime laws nationwide. The Federation of Police I believe have been pushing for that over ten years.

Do you think we are any closer to getting traction on that issue?

MARC LAMONT HILL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I mean, when ever you have a national crisis or controversy, when ever hearts are heavy, to use your language, you are more than likely to see legislation pushed through. We saw it post-9/11. We've seen it in other moments.

Whether or not that's the best approach to this is a different conversation, but surely, it's more likely to happen right now. I think the key is how to address the issues. Not in ways to punish people who kill cops, but in some ways that stop people from killing cops. That's the most important issue right.

PEREIRA: That's a good point. You are right. There has to be responsibility -- people need to be held responsible. We have to stop the bleeding, literally and metaphorically.

Harry, I want you to see this. I'm sure you can relate to this. This is something from "The L.A. Times", they spoke to a 17-year veteran of the force in Arizona. He said day-to-day, you are more aware of your surroundings. You are a little more skeptical of people. These days, if I don't know you, I'm going to be extra guarded around you. It's a different world.

I mean, that is sobering to think that officers are more guarded, they're more skeptical of people especially when they are charged with being, you know, officers of peace. How are they able to do that? Essentially, they are watching their six, feeling paranoid and under attack?

HARRY HOUCK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, you know, this is our job. This is what we deal with every day. Now, as a police officer, you know, with all the police officer that is have been shot at out there, especially the last one that was assassinated pumping gas, police officers are going to feel hesitant when people approach them.

I know that when I used to sit in my radio car, I had my holster in my lap. If somebody walked to my car, my hand was on my gun in the event somebody would pull a gun. That was back in the times when we had 10-12 New York City police officers killed every year.

Now, the fact that we have this problem out there, if someone approaches them, if a police officer can't see somebody's hands, they are going to be really hesitant to tell them to back off and show us your hands, because we don't know -- as far as Officer Goforth was concerned, if that guy walked up to him and maybe ask a question first --

PEREIRA: Yes, we don't know that.

HOUCK: -- and the officer turned around? So, we don't know that. That makes officers very, very wary now.

PEREIRA: Let's look at some statistics. I think we have this from the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund. Sobering when you think about the number of fallen officers. We know it's a dangerous job, obviously. But firearm-related deaths, so far, remember, it's only September, 26 officers have died this year as compared to 2014.

The entire year, there were 30. So, the numbers are down a bit. If we keep on pace, we are going to surpass that number.

HILL: Well, we might. I mean, one thing to remember, if one officer gets killed as the officer in Texas did, we say it's one too many. So, we are not suggesting any is a good number.

PEREIRA: Absolutely.

HILL: However, last year was the lowest number we had seen in a very long time. Before, it was 32 last year. The year before, it was in the 50s. Over the last -- we are down in officer killings over the last ten years, or the last five years, or the last three years.

Last year was unusually low. So, even if this year goes up a little bit, I don't want to assume there's a nationwide, sort of spike in officer killings. I think this may be statistically fairly consistent.

PEREIRA: OK.

[06:45:02] HILL: But again, one is too many. We still need to figure out what we can do to stop it.

PEREIRA: That's the key, right? Because we see there is a sentiment that is getting fomented by rhetoric in the country. I want to show you this graffiti that was spotted in Houston.

Remember, Houston is mourning the loss of one of their own officers just this week. This was spotted on the street. This, you know, heartless and thoughtless and just foolish graffiti. This kind of thing, Harry, I mean, it's senseless. This is not helpful in conversation we need to have nationally.

HOUCK: You know, you've got a certain percentage of lunatics out there that hate the police, that will -- say it was graffiti artist who did this. He's trying to send a message. Do I think that the graffiti artists themselves would probably kill a police officer? No, I don't think so.

But, you never know. In fact, is he trying to intimidate someone or put a message forth that somebody should be out there killing police officers? I think that's what's going on.

And I think it's going on with a lot of rhetoric out there. You know, a lot of people telling we have the demonstration in New York. What do we want? Dead cop. When do we want them? Now.

We have the demonstration in Minneapolis about pigs in a blanket. You know, things like this and other rhetoric out there. I'm sorry --

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HOUCK: Some lunatic might get this --

PEREIRA: Might get in his head and we don't want to see it happen.

Marc, I want to give you a final thought. I know you want to respond to Harry's last comment.

HILL: Yes, I think we have to be careful not to overstate this idea of rhetoric. We are paying attention to matters of police in the community right now. So, we notice these protests more. We also notice police misbehavior and misconduct more.

I think the truth is, we have to have a sustained conversation that on the one hand does not accept police should not be killed but on the other hand still holds police accountable for the thing that started this movement in the first place. Let's not scapegoat anybody.

PEREIRA: I think we have to end it there, gentlemen. We are going to pick this up again. I'm sure.

Harry Houck, Marc Lamont Hill, always a pleasure to have you, thanks so much.

Of course, you can get in on the conversation as well. You can use #NewDayCNN on Twitter, or you can post your comments on Facebook.com/NewDay.

John?

BERMAN: All right. Dick Cheney not a fan of President Obama. That is putting it mildly. The former vice president sits down with CNN to weigh in on the latest policy and politics coming out of Washington. Believe me, you don't want to miss what he has to say.

Stay with us.

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[06:51:28] CAMEROTA: So, here is a shocker -- Dick Cheney is no fan of President Obama. What does he think about the other candidates running to replace President Obama?

Well, the former vice president is out with a new book. It's called "Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America."

And CNN's new special correspondent, Jamie Gangel, sat down with Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz for a wide-ranging interview.

And, Jamie, welcome to NEW DAY.

JAMIE GANGEL, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm thrilled to be here, guys. I watch you every morning.

PEREIRA: Welcome to the family.

GANGEL: It's great.

CAMEROTA: Great to have you on CNN as well.

GANGEL: Thank you.

CAMEROTA: Tell us about the interview.

GANGEL: So, there's no love loss obviously between Dick Cheney and the White House. When we spoke, he was candid. He pulled no punches. We talked about Donald Trump, we talked about the 2016 race. As you will see, we started with the man he likes to go toe-to-toe with.

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GANGEL: I say President Obama, you say?

DICK CHENEY, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: I say a president whose policies are doing lasting damage to the United States of America.

GANGEL: The Iran nuclear deal?

D. CHENEY: Terrible deal. Definitely ought to be rejected by Congress.

GANGEL: Should Guantanamo stay open?

D. CHENEY: Yes.

GANGEL: Any regrets about going into Iraq?

D. CHENEY: No, it was the right thing to do then. I believe it then, and I believe it now.

GANGEL: No apologies?

D. CHENEY: No apologies.

GANGEL (voice-over): It is classic Dick Cheney, unleashed, unapologetic, and once again taking on President Obama. This time with a new book, co-authored with his daughter, Liz, a former deputy assistant secretary of state.

D. CHENEY: We wrote it because we were deeply concerned about the fact that we're in a world where the threats for the United States are increasing.

GANGEL: How much damage do you think President Obama has done?

LIZ CHENEY, DICK CHENEY'S DAUGHTER/CO-AUTHOR: I think it's been devastating. He strengthened our enemies, he strengthened our adversaries, he's abandoned our allies. And I think his tendency and his determination to apologize to the nation consistently and repeatedly around the world has been devastating.

GANGEL: Rate President Obama for me.

D. CHENEY: I think he's a man with a world view that doesn't fit reality, that he has a set of beliefs, ideology, if you will, that doesn't equip him to deal with the kinds of problems that we are faced with today. So, he -- in terms of trying to rank him as a president, it would be very low on the list of presidents.

GANGEL: You think he's the worst president ever?

D. CHENEY: Well, certainly the worst in my lifetime.

GANGEL: That said, on President Obama's watch, we got Osama bin Laden. He's used the drone program aggressively. There have been no major 9/11-style attacks on American soil.

Is it possible that even though you disagree with him that his foreign policy is keeping America safe?

D. CHENEY: One of the reasons we got Osama bin Laden is because of the enhanced interrogation program that we put in place and he canceled. The drone program, he's used effectively, was invented by George W. Bush.

GANGEL: You write that America is at a hinge point in history and it's vital voters carefully pick the next president. I know you're not endorsing anyone, but who do you think is the best person to turn things around?

D. CHENEY: Well, we have not endorsed anybody and don't plan to today, Jamie.

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GANGEL: When you look at the Republican field, are you confident that everyone out there could get the job done?

D. CHENEY: I wouldn't go that far, but I think it's a good field.

GANGEL: Mr. Cheney, you were Jeb Bush's father's secretary of defense.

[06:55:04] You were his brother's vice president.

D. CHENEY: Right.

GANGEL: Some people would wonder why it's just not natural for you to endorse Jeb?

D. CHENEY: Well, I was happy to serve in those prior administrations. Both President Bush's say they gave me great opportunity and I was happy to serve them. I like Jeb. He's a good man and good governor in Florida.

I have not endorsed him for president. I watch with interest how the campaign develops.

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CAMEROTA: That's interesting. What's the subtext there? Why not endorse Jeb Bush?

GANGEL: So, right now, he's not going to endorse anybody. He's out raising a tremendous amount of money for the Republican Party for everybody. But, they are going to wait a while.

But if you ask me who he's closest to, I would say national security issues, Marco Rubio.

BERMAN: Interesting. They are all in fund-raisers with Rubio, of course, sometimes with Cheney as well.

Let me ask you this -- yesterday, Paul was here and called Dick Cheney a sociopath. Granted, you are going to get that take from people on the left, from Democrats. But it does raise the question, you spent time with Dick Cheney -- any self-reflection? Does he have any doubts about his time serving as vice president and the policies they put in place?

GANGEL: Look, I think to conservatives he's a hero. To Paul Begala, he's Darth Vader. You are never going to bring those people together.

Dick Cheney is unapologetic because he believes after 9/11, it was their responsibility to keep America safe and they did. And he has no regrets about it. He thinks he has a lot of reflection and that his is, his job was to keep the country safe. So -- but, you are never going to get the two sides to come together.

PEREIRA: He certainly is looking hale and hearty.

GANGEL: He is. It's three years since his heart transplant. He is in great health. It's turned his life around. He had five heart attacks. It's quite amazing.

CAMEROTA: We know you're going to come back in about an hour with more.

GANGEL: Yes.

CAMEROTA: Can you give us a little tease?

GANGEL: Absolutely. So, we asked him about Hillary Clinton's e-mails and he is very harsh about that. He goes a place nobody else has gone, yet.

We asked him, coming up on the 14th anniversary of 9/11, he has a very dire prediction. He is afraid there's going to be another attack even worse. He talks about that as well.

CAMEROTA: OK. We'll watch that in our 8:00 hour. Jamie, thanks so much. See you then.

GANGEL: Thank you. Thank you.

CAMEROTA: All right. So, we are following a lot of news this morning. Let's get right to it.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A manhunt for the killers of a veteran officer in Illinois.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It can't be us against them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nobody has the right to pick up a gun and shoot police officers.

BERMAN: The city of Baltimore is on edge this morning as the Freddie Gray case enters the pretrial stage.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This time around, we want to make sure that we're doing everything to protect the citizens.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are going to treat a protest like a protest and a riot like a riot.

CAMEROTA: Jeb Bush stepping up his attacks against Donald Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bush's strategy exposed Trump as a phony Republican.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have no idea.

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He supports Democrats.

TRUMP: Well, I'm more of a counter punch here. Jeb went after me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bush could have done it earlier.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kentucky county clerk continues to deny marriage licenses to gay couples.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are not issuing marriage license today.

REPORTER: Why? Who's authority?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Under God's authority.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota, and Michaela Pereira.

CAMEROTA: And welcome back to your NEW DAY.

We do begin with some breaking news. There is a manhunt for three men who gunned down a veteran Illinois police officer. Schools north of Chicago are shut down this morning as the search widens.

BERMAN: Meanwhile, in Baltimore, police bracing for protest. Pretrial hearings about to get under way for six officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray.

CNN has these developing stories covered all over.

We start with Rosa Flores live in Fox Lake with the latest for the search and the suspects in the death of that officer -- Rosa.

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: John, good morning.

Here we are 24 hours after a police officer was shot and killed and those cop killers still on the loose and no trace. But here is how it all started -- authorities tell us that about 8:00 a.m. Tuesday morning, Lieutenant Gliniewicz was out in this community about a mile from where I am standing and he was investigating suspicious activity.

Now, he radioed into dispatch he was on a foot pursuit of three individuals, then, here is his last exchange with dispatch.

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DISPATCH: Could you start for Fox Lake for an officer down, 128 Honing Road.

We'll create the call? They were responding to a report of a suspicious a male black and a male white. It appears the officer's gun is missing now.

All the county units are responding down Fox Lake.

Subjects are to be considered armed and dangerous. Air one has been advised.

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FLORES: That unleashed a massive manhunt involving state, local and federal authorities.