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Trump Stumbles on Foreign Policy Questions; Biden: 'I Would Not Hesitate' to Run if Family Approves; Video Could Hold Clues to Illinois Cop Killing; British Officials Open to Take More Syrian Refugees; Drowned Boy's Image Becomes Symbol of Migrant Crisis. Aired 6-6:30a ET

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have signed the pledge.

[05:58:12] UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has no legal standing.

ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: His running as a third party would be throwing a hand grenade.

TRUMP (via phone): That's a gotcha (ph) question.

HUGH HEWITT, RADIO HOST: I don't believe in gotcha questions.

TRUMP: That is a gotcha question.

JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm sure he'll bone up on this now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joe Biden, candid and emotional about the possibility of running for president.

JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Can I do it? The honest to God answer is I just don't know.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Tom Brady, still perfect.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tom Brady deserved this vindication.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Goodell dug himself a hole.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a witch hunt against Brady.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The standoff that's going on. The conditions on board this train are obviously deteriorating by the minute this train is simply not being allowed to move forward.

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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Alisyn Camerota and Michaela Pereira. ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to

your NEW DAY. It is Friday, September 5, 6 a.m. in the east. John Berman is in for Chris today. Michaela is on assignment. Anything can happen.

We begin with Donald Trump. Political insiders saying that Trump stumbled when asked about a foreign policy questions [SIC] -- and questions in a radio interview. This as Trump hits new highs in the latest national poll. And he officially promises not to run as a third-party candidate.

BERMAN: On the Democratic side, Vice President Joe Biden, he gave his most revealing comments yet about whether he will jump into the race for president. He says he is ready for the challenge, but it is family who will ultimately decide. We're following all the latest political developments, beginning with our senior Washington correspondent Joe Johns -- Joe.

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: John, another Trump public relations victory, with the chairman of the Republican National Committee going to Trump's office in New York to get him on the team. It was just last month that Trump said he would not pledge allegiance to the eventual Republican nominee.

But for now, the billionaire businessman is on board. The pledge is not legally enforceable, but at the very least, it gives the Republican establishment a little emotional assurance that he won't launch a third-party run if he loses the nomination.

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TRUMP: I have signed the pledge.

JOHNS (voice-over): Trump, promising not to run as a third-party candidate, and in the process, gaining a political benefit for himself.

TRUMP: I will be totally pledging my allegiance to the Republican Party.

JOHNS: The move means Trump would have the backing of all the GOP candidates if he wins the Republican nomination in 2016.

BUSH: I mean, this is not a guy who's a conservative.

JOHNS: It could also combat one angle of attack from Jeb Bush about Trump being a phony conservative, like in this ad depicting Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton as, quote, "two sides of the same coin."

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Under Democratic presidents, people do better.

TRUMP: The economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.

JOHNS: Jeb coming out swinging in New Hampshire Thursday.

BUSH: When he attacks me personally, or disparages my family, damn right I'm going to fight back.

JOHNS: And on Twitter, pointing out he's voted Republican since 1972.

But, a potential Achilles heel for Trump could be exposed during the next GOP debate if asked about foreign policy, as it was during this radio interview Thursday.

HEWITT: I'm looking for the next commander in chief to know who Hassan Nasrallah is, and Zawahiri, and al-Julani and al-Baghdadi.

Do you know the players without a scorecard yet, Donald Trump?

TRUMP (via phone): No, you know, I'll tell you honestly, I think but by the time we get there, they'll all be changed. They'll be all gone.

JOHNS: Trump slamming debate moderator Hugh Hewitt for asking, quote, "gotcha questions" after flubbing his answers.

HEWITT: The difference between Hezbollah and Hamas does not matter to you yet but it will.

TRUMP: It will when it's appropriate. I will know more about it than you know. And believe me, it won't take me long.

(on camera): Did you vote for Trump? Did you vote for Trump?

JOHNS: Trump continues to dominate the GOP pack, but he's not the only one with rising support. A new national poll shows that, in a head-to-head with the other GOP candidates, second place retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson is the only one to best the Donald.

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JOHNS: The spectacle involving the pledge is a big win for Donald Trump, though one of the things that's made him attractive to voters is that he was seen as running against establishment politics. Tea Partiers who support him are already expressing concern that he's now given up some important political leverage -- John.

BERMAN: Interesting to see how that plays out with his supporters. Joe Johns, thank you very much.

For Democrats, two major story lines unfolding this morning. Vice President Joe Biden making his most candid comments to date about a potential presidential run, saying he would not hesitate, if his family can handle it.

This as Hillary Clinton's team is facing new questions about her use of a private e-mail server.

CNN senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny traveling with the former secretary. He is live in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Good morning, Jeff.

JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, John.

Hillary Clinton is coming to Puerto Rico today for the first time during her presidential campaign. But she's not dogging [SIC] this controversy that has been following her ever since she announced her candidacy for the president.

Her former chief of staff at the secretary of state at the State Department, Cheryl Mills, spent more than nine hours on Capitol Hill testifying, saying none of those private e-mails were marked classified. None of them have been withheld from this committee.

But John, this is just the beginning of this. So many more aides are set to testify, and of course, the secretary will testify in October.

And this has raised questions about whether Joe Biden will actually jump in. We heard a window into his thinking during a speech last night in Atlanta. Let's take a listen.

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BIDEN: The factor is, can I do it? Can my family undertake what is an arduous commitment that we'd be proud to undertake under ordinary circumstances. The honest to God answer is, I just don't know.

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ZELENY: He's still set to decide by October whether he will actually jump into this campaign. He is weighing all this very carefully over the next few weeks. And this is one of the reasons that Hillary Clinton, of course, has a head start on him. It's why she is in Puerto Rico today, part of her pledge to fight for every vote. Of course, voters here in Puerto Rico can participate in the primary elections, but not the general elections in November -- John and Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK, Jeff. Thanks so much.

Joining us this morning to discuss all of the political doings is our political analyst and editor-in-chief of "The Daily Beast," John Avlon; and CNN political commentator and former Reagan White House political director Geoffrey Lord.

Gentlemen, great to have you here on this Friday. We have a lot to talk about.

Let's play a little clip from "The Hugh Hewitt Radio Show." He's a conservative radio talk show host, and he was trying to ask Donald Trump about Donald Trump's knowledge of different political leaders -- well, sort of international relations questions. So listen to this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

[06:05:17] HEWITT: Are you familiar with General Soleimani?

TRUMP (via phone): Yes. But go ahead, give me a little, go ahead, tell me.

HEWITT: He runs the Quds Forces.

TRUMP: Yes, OK. Right.

HEWITT: Do you expect his behavior...

TRUMP: I think the Kurds, by the way, have been horribly mistreated by us.

HEWITT: No, not the Kurds, the Quds Forces, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Quds Forces.

TRUMP: Yes.

HEWITT: The bad guys. Do you expect his behavior to change as a result of...

TRUMP: I thought you said Kurds. Kurds.

HEWITT: No.

TRUMP: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said Kurds.

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CAMEROTA: OK. So is that a gotcha question, John Avlon?

JOHN AVLON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: It's not a gotcha question, but I also don't think this is a massively unbearing (ph) gaffe on the Trump scale. I mean, you know, A, it's a radio interview. Sounds similar.

B, fairly obscure point. This isn't like he doesn't know who the prime minister of Britain is. But look, the bottom line is also Trump seems Teflon right now. And the conservative movement needs to reconcile itself to the fact that it doesn't seem like ideas or policies matter when they're trying to pick a president.

BERMAN: It wasn't just that. It wasn't just that maybe he misheard "Quds" or "Kurds."

CAMEROTA: He did it by phone. I mean, he wasn't in person with him.

BERMAN: But he went on. It wasn't clear whether he knew the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah. Geoffrey Lord, it wasn't clear whether he knew any of the leaders of what we consider to be some of the terrorist organizations around the world. And not just that, when he was given an answer, he said, "You

know what? I don't need to know, because they're all going to be dead or gone within a few years," which I happen to think is probably not true.

So Geoffrey, do we live in a world, the way things are, where this may not hurt Donald Trump, or the world where the way things should be, where maybe you want your people running for president to know about this kind of stuff?

GEOFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I would -- I would remind everyone of the occasion in 1999 when a reporter for a Boston television station-- I think his name was Andy Hillard -- asked this kind of question of George W. Bush; and Bush could not name three of the four people that he was being asked about in terms of foreign leaders. He still got elected president, twice. Whatever you -- whatever people think of George W. Bush.

I mean, this is -- I have to -- I like you, Hewitt, but I have to say, I think this is gotcha stuff.

At the end of the day, if you're president of the United States, you'll get up to speed pretty quick. Donald Trump is a smart guy. He's a good, quick study. I don't think this is going to hurt him. Not at all.

BERMAN: And Jeff, just to be clear, 1999 and today, 1999, he was not a foreign policy moment. Been a long time since foreign policy was the most important issue to the country. But a lot of terrorist activity. We've had the nuclear deal with Iran, General Soleimani very much in the news right now. So it is a bit of a difference.

AVLON: and I think to that point, we are more than a decade after 9/11, the conservative movement rallied around that moment. When you have a problem with Hamas and Hezbollah, I mean, it really -- it really does mean that, you know, you just haven't been paying that close attention to foreign policy, which is the primary job of a president. The question is whether, even from a credible source like Hugh Hewitt for conservatives, whether this will seem anything like a negative or whether his supporters will simply write it off and say, you know, that's kind of the brash ignorance I'm looking for in an executive.

CAMEROTA: I mean, Geoffrey, there were moments where Hugh Hewitt sounded like some sort of overzealous T.A. in an international relations class at, you know, some place that John Berman went to school, known as Harvard.

BERMAN: Donald Trump's poll numbers just went up ten points because you said "Harvard."

CAMEROTA: This is my point. Exactly. Which is, for his supporters, does this stuff matter?

LORD: You know, for his supporters, I can tell you they will look at this and say, well, in essence, to borrow a Reagan phrase, there they go again, you know, the establishment types, trying to do him in.

CAMEROTA: Hugh Hewitt.

LORD: And you know, I don't frankly think it's that big a deal. But if it does do anything, it will help him.

CAMEROTA: There you go. So why are you scoffing at this, John Avlon?

AVLON: Look, I'm saying that Trump is Teflon on this point. But, you know, Hugh Hewitt is not exactly, you know, supposedly a representative of the "lamestream media." He is a card-carrying conservative commentator.

So, you know, at some point, you know, if anyone asking him a question becomes part of the mainstream media, you know, the people you can trust fit in a phone booth, folks.

CAMEROTA: Yes, but that is an interesting point. What was Hugh Hewitt doing? Since he is a conservative radio...

AVLON: He's asking a legitimate question.

CAMEROTA: Or was he trying to expose Donald Trump, because he doesn't think that he is a legitimate candidate?

AVLON: It's the job of a journalist to ask tough questions at times when someone is seeking the office of the president. I think it was a tough question. It fits a format of, quote unquote, "gotcha" questions. But they're legitimate questions.

BERMAN: Can I say something else? Hugh Hewitt's going to be one of the moderators...

AVLON: That's right.

BERMAN: ... on the CNN debate. And Donald Trump is lucky. Donald Trump is lucky this question was on a radio show, because if this had come up in a debate, it could have been a much different situation.

CAMEROTA: And it may. I mean, right, Jeffrey? And he should probably expect it, because he is one of the moderators.

LORD: But again -- again, I think that Donald Trump's supporters are, you know, they sort of eye roll at this kind of thing. I mean, you know, when you're president of the United States, you get up to speed pretty quickly. You pick the right people, you know, and you'll go from there. I mean...

[06:10:10] CAMEROTA: That was John's point.

AVLON: Don't look behind the curtain, folks.

BERMAN: I just want to -- before we move on, I want to take a walk down memory lane and remember back four years ago, to Herman Cain. It's a little bit later in the cycle, but Herman Cain was doing very well in the election. He was asked a foreign policy question. Listen to what he said.

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HERMAN CAIN (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm ready for the gotcha questions. And they're already starting to come. And when they ask me who's the president of, Ubekibeki-bekibeki-stanstan, I'm going to say, "You know, I don't know. Do you know?"

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BERMAN: So that's how Herman Cain said he was going to handle it. But Donald Trump taking a page out of the Herman Cain, you know?

AVLON: Herman Cain nostalgia is, you know, one of my favorite things right now. I want a candidate to quote Pokemon.

BERMAN: Let's just quickly -- I want to go on to Joe Biden right now, because it was very, very interesting to see him talking out loud on camera last night at much greater length than we've seen before about whether he'd run. Can we play that one more time, what he said? Let's play it one more time.

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BIDEN: The factor is, can I do it? Can my family undertake what is an arduous commitment that I would be proud to undertake under ordinary circumstances? The honest to God answer is, I just don't know.

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BERMAN: John Avlon, he just doesn't know.

AVLON: Yes, look. You know, that is such an emotionally raw moment. And it both underscores why people like Biden, especially as he's working his way through grief and because he's honest, he's open.

But the death of his son, Beau, is still weighing very heavily, as it inevitably would, on him and his family. And it can -- it can only influence decision making if you're being honest about where you are in the cycle of grief and the seriousness of undertaking this kind of a task.

CAMEROTA: That was a real window into his decision making.

AVLON: It really was.

CAMEROTA: And I think that he just sort of let us all in. Geoffrey, what did you think?

LORD: Yes. Absolutely. I mean, I feel for him. You know, I mean, running for president is a, needless to say, major undertaking. He's done it twice. He knows exactly what's involved. He is the sitting vice president. I mean, this was a real blow here. And you can just say he is an honest guy. I may not agree with him, but I think he's an honest guy to begin with. And you can tell he's struggling with this.

CAMEROTA: John, Geoffrey, thanks so much. Have a great weekend. Great to see you guys.

LORD: Thanks, guys. You, too.

CAMEROTA: We will talk about all this with Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum later this morning. Stick around for that. Also, be sure to watch the CNN Republican presidential debate. This is Wednesday, September 16. It starts at 6 p.m. Eastern. All of these issues will be on full display.

BERMAN: Indeed they will.

The Kentucky clerk who repeatedly refused to issue same-sex marriage licenses waking up in a jail cell this morning. A judge ordering Kim Davis to jail for defying a federal court order. Davis claims issuing the licenses violates her religious convictions. It is unclear how long she will stay behind bars. Her deputy clerks have agreed to issue marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples.

CAMEROTA: A possibly breakthrough this morning in the hunt for those three suspected cop killers in Illinois. Home surveillance video may show the suspects.

CNN's Rosa Flores is live in Fox Lake, Illinois, with the very latest. What's on this video, Rosa?

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Alisyn, good morning.

Let me tell you why this is so significant. Right now, the only description that investigators have of these suspects is that they are two white males and a black male. So imagine what crisp home video obtained by investigators could do. It could give these suspected cop killers faces.

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CHIEF GEORGE FILENKO, COMMANDER, LAKE COUNTY MAJOR CRIMES TASK FORCE: We don't believe in coincidences. However, we still don't know and can't verify exactly whether this video is relevant to the case. But at this point, it's probably one of the most significant ones we've recovered.

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FLORES: Now here is the other thing that they've recovered, and that is the officer's weapon. Now, this is also significant, because investigators had been very tight-lipped about that gun. Now CNN sources also tell us that that gun was actually fired.

Now as for Lieutenant Gliniewicz's funeral, that's set for Monday -- John.

BERMAN: All right, Rosa. Thanks so much.

We're following more breaking news this morning. Britain's prime minister, David Cameron, vowing to accept thousands more Syrian refugees. This as a volatile situation unfolds in Hungary between the police and migrants there. CNN senior international correspondent Nic Robertson following all this for us with the latest.

Good morning, Nic.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, good morning, John.

Well, David Cameron's been under a lot of pressure from his European partners for Britain to step up and do more to take in migrants. He's been under pressure at home, as well, not to take in more migrants. He's caught between a rock and a hard place, if you will.

But the recent pictures of the dead boy on the beach in Turkey has also given rise to a lot of sympathy here in Britain. David Cameron not immune to that sympathy himself, saying earlier this week, as a father, how he felt seeing this child washed up on the beach.

[06:15:08] What we have heard from David Cameron in the last hour is that Britain will accept what he says are thousand -- thousands more refugees to Britain. He said already Britain had accepted some 5,000 Syrian refugees into Britain for asylum. He said that this will be done working to take those people who will come to Britain, to take them from camps bordering Syria. He said that's to make sure that their transit and passage to the U.K. is safe, so they don't risk their lives at sea.

He said that what Britain is doing here is to work with its head and its heart to give refuge to those people in need -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Nic, so happy to hear that there is some progress being made on this crisis. Thank you.

Well, this morning, four U.S. troops injured in an explosion in the Sinai Peninsula. The soldiers are part of a multi-national peace- keeping force supporting a treaty between Egypt and Israel. U.S. officials increasingly worried about security in that region. Israel calling on Egypt to get tougher with jihadi groups in that area.

BERMAN: Three football fans hurt when a bolt from a stadium's retractable roof came crashing down into the stands. This happened at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis during halftime of the Colts preseason game with the Cincinnati Bengals. A stadium official says the roof was being opened when the bolt was sheared off. Two of the three fans taken to the hospital. The injuries not believed to be life-threatening.

CAMEROTA: Scary.

BERMAN: Scary.

CAMEROTA: Breaking overnight, the last of those three Americans who helped thwart that suspected terror attack on a French train have arrived back on U.S. soil. You can hear the welcome there as Spencer Stone landed at Travis Air Force Base in California. He was greeted by a large crowd. Meanwhile, here in the U.S., expect ramped-up security on trains this Labor Day weekend. Homeland security deploying TSA officials on the rails nationwide.

BERMAN: All right. Europe's growing migrant crisis seems to have taken a turn now that the desperation and the danger have a face, they have a name. Will the heartbreaking picture of the drowned Syrian boy be a catalyst to maybe help stop the suffering? That's next.

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[06:20:56] BERMAN: Welcome back. A little 2-year-old Syrian boy has become a symbol now of the migrant crisis facing Europe. Not just Europe, the entire world.

The boy has a name, Aylan. He was found dead on a Turkish beach after the boat that he and his family were escaping in, it sank. His mother, 4-year-old brother, they were also killed. Aylan's death has become a rallying cry for those asking Europe's leaders, world leaders to let in more migrants.

Peter Beinart joins us now. He's a CNN political commentator and associate professor at the City University of New York.

Peter, there is some breaking news this morning. Britain has just announced they are going to let in more Syrian refugees. Again, this is the picture that has so -- along (ph) the world. Aylan Kurdi, just two years old. Do you think that David Cameron, in Great Britain would have made this decision if not confronted with this horrifying picture?

PETER BEINART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: No, I don't think so. I think a kind of dam burst publicly, you might even say morally, at this picture. This migrant crisis has been going on and getting bigger and bigger for months now. And there's been a lot of fear by Cameron and other European politicians that there will be a political backlash against them if they let in more people. But I think, with this picture is a feeling that now there will be maybe some public support for a more humane, a more moral policy.

BERMAN: Because if we look, we all look. We look at, you know, a 2-year-old kid. We look at a family, and we think that it could be ours. And now, we hear the anguished pain from a father. So let's listen to that.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Is there someone's children who is not valuable to them? Everything is gone. I plan to sit by the grave of my wife and children. And that is it.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BERMAN: He plans to sit by the grave of his wife and children.

By the way, back in Syria, at this point, he doesn't want anyone's help. Because he doesn't feel like any nation helped him when he needed it.

BEINART: Right, and what's so tragic about this story in particular, that he had a legal claim to go to Canada. He had relatives in Canada who said they were going to take care of him. They would pay for him. But he couldn't get the right document in Turkey, because it's so chaotic there. And so he was so desperate that he tried to get on this boat, which ultimately capsized.

It's become a big political controversy in Canada now, and I think it hopefully will lead Canada to do more of the right thing and let more people in, too. And the United States should be next.

BERMAN: You know, there's that stark picture of young Aylan on a beach. There's another picture we're seeing, which also puts it in perspective. This is how Hungary right now is dealing with this problem. Granted, Hungary has thousands of refugees and migrants flooding in, but one of the ways they're dealing with this is putting up this barbed-wire fence. Is a fence going to solve this problem?

BEINART: No, no, not at all. I mean, what's happening is people are coming through Hungary. They're not trying to stay in Hungary. They want to get to Germany or Austria. Germany, to its credit, is allowing in about 800,000 refugees. So it's allowing a lot in. And it has become the magnet.

But what happened is the Hungarians are actually required by the European Union to keep people in Hungary and process them there. And the Hungarians, in Eastern Europe in general, you're seeing a very strong backlash against the presence of refugees, especially Muslim refugees. One of the very potent issues here.

BERMAN: Well, look, you know, Poland has essentially said, "We'll take Christians. We'll help out. We'll take Christians, but only Christians."

BEINART: Right. It's really shocking. And you're seeing something of a division here between countries like Germany and Sweden on the one hand, who are saying, "Our history, even our Christianity, requires us to actually reach out to people in need, and especially leaders in Eastern Europe who are saying, "No, Europe is a Christian place. We don't want any more Muslims."

I think we as Americans should not be too self-righteous here. We ourselves do not have a great record in terms of letting in Syrian refugees. But we're seeing a real division in Europe between people who want to do something for these people on humane grounds and people who don't.

BERMAN: Again, humane grounds. Let me just show you a picture of what it's like for people trying -- trying to flee. And it's not just Syria. They are also fleeing other countries -- Eritrea, Libya, Afghanistan. There is a crisis right now, because there are so many war-torn regions in the world, so many hopeless places where people are willing to leave and risk it all for the chance, the chance, and not even necessarily a 50 percent chance they can get a better life.

[06:25:07] BEINART: Right. And I think the answer has to be a much more generous policy vis-a-vis migrants but also a renewed effort to end the civil war in Syria.

The civil war in Syria has been such a disaster in producing migration throughout the world. And I think there's at least a glimmer of hope. But because of the Iran nuclear deal and a different kind of relationship between the United States and Iran, we can have a new diplomatic process to potentially end that ghastly war.

BERMAN: Look, I don't want to make it seem like this is simple, because it's not. It's going to require a heart, a heart to deal with problems like young Aylan but also, you know, a brain. You know, European leaders, E.U. leaders are meeting. Because they have a logistical problem. I mean, you simply -- this is the train station in Budapest, in Hungary. You can see the thousands of people going through. And Hungary, you know, is not a country doing economically brilliantly right now. So they have their own domestic problems. All of Europe needs to band together and figure out some logistical way to handle this.

BEINART: Right. One of the real remarkable stories that's come out of this is the grassroots movement of ordinary Europeans who have said on -- through a Facebook movement, we will open our home. In Iceland, they've had 10,000 people who said they will open their homes to refugees. So right. Partly, it's the ability of the European governments to coordinate a response, which is very difficult, given their different politics. But we're also seeing a remarkable movement among ordinary people throughout Europe saying, as human beings we have some moral responsibility and we will do something for these people.

BERMAN: Not just Europeans who have a moral responsibility.

BEINART: Absolutely.

BERMAN: Great to have you with us. Really appreciate it -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: OK, John. Well, that Kentucky county clerk is waking up behind bars this morning, choosing that fate over issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. What's next for her? That story, coming up.

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