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Pope Francis to Address World Leaders at U.N.; White House to Welcome Chinese President; Trump's Rivalry with Rubio Intensifies. Aired 7-7:30a ET

Aired September 25, 2015 - 07:00   ET

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JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: They will all be here, the American president, the Iranian president, the Russian president. And this Pope will have a tough message for them.

[07:00:01] But this is New York City, his audience not just the world, no question, but New York, New Yorkers. This Pope will not leave this city without a chance to connect with them. He's going to see them in Central Park today. That is how this people's Pope operates.

And we're going to be watching that today.

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SCIUTTO (voice-over): This morning, tens of thousands of people are gearing up across the Big Apple to witness Pope Francis on day two of his New York tour.

The Pope, waking up at a townhouse on the Upper East Side donated to the Catholic Church decades ago. Shortly after 10 a.m., he'll address leaders from around the world at the United Nations. Some in attendance, Cuban President Raul Castro and Nobel-Peace-Prize-winning activist Malala Yousafzai. The speech expected to be one of his toughest yet, likely urging action on climate change and the ongoing refugee crisis in Europe.

JOHN ALLEN, CNN VATICAN ANALYST/AUTHOR, "THE FRANCIS MIRACLE": He makes a difference. He's utterly revitalized the political and diplomatic relevance of the Vatican in our time.

SCIUTTO: The Pope will then travel more than four miles downtown to Ground Zero, where he'll meet with families of victims from 9/11 before going inside the World Trade Center Museum for a remembrance service. Afterward, the Pope heads nearly eight miles uptown, visiting a Catholic school in Harlem serving 300 children, mostly black and Latino, some of them immigrants.

DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: He continually repeats the fact that he, too, is an immigrant, that he is the son of immigrants.

SCIUTTO: The people's Pope will also meet with immigrants and refugees from Latin America, Africa and Asia. In the early evening, Pope Francis will ride his open Popemobile through Central Park, where nearly 100,000 people are expected to see him.

The Pope then ending his day back in the heart of Manhattan at Madison Square Garden, where he'll lead a mass for some 20,000 people, all hoping to be blessed by the leader of the Catholic Church, like this young wheelchair-bound girl at St. Patrick's Cathedral Thursday night.

STEPHANIE GABAULD, NEW YORK RESIDENT: Just to get an actual blessing from him was just so amazing.

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SCIUTTO: This is, of course, a big job for the U.S. Secret Service, for Vatican security, for the New York Police Department. But it's a job they can handle, they've done before. The NYPD made the point yesterday that there will be 100,000 people in Central Park today. But Chris, on New Year's Eve they handle crowds of a million people. They know how to do this. It's a challenge. We know how to do this.

And you and I have talked about this a lot. Yes, this Pope is somewhat uncomfortable with all the security, in part because he likes to get close to the people. In part because he doesn't like to make a spectacle of himself, right? But he knows it's necessary.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Right. The Vatican was coordinating and communicating about the security. And you have to deal with less than the ideal sometimes, especially when you have more world leaders than ever here in the city.

And again, if Francis wants to go rogue, who's going to stop him, Jim? You?

SCIUTTO: The Holy Father? Certainly not you.

CUOMO: Only the Holy Spirit. Not me. I would say, "Go ahead. Go ahead."

All right. So if you're going to watch us for the big moments today, one of them is always when Pope Francis heads out of where he's staying to get to his next event. Where will that happen in New York City and what's going to happen after the major message here at the U.N.? For that we go to CNN's papal stalker, Don Lemon, live outside the papal nuncio on Manhattan's Upper East Side.

DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: The news ciature (ph). The news ciature (ph).

CUOMO: Morning, Don.

LEMON: I'm not going to stop him. Good morning. No one's going to stop him.

Chris, you said the largest gathering of diplomats. Really, it's the largest gathering of police officer security that I've ever seen just in front of me, amazing. And if we pan to the right a little bit here, you'll see some of the people here.

This is Madison Avenue and 72nd. 72nd and Madison, we're in one of the richest areas of New York City, richest areas of New York City. Of course, it's very expensive to live here anyway.

But the Pope is behind me still, in this 11,000 square-foot townhouse on the Upper East Side, $17 million if you can afford it. Of course, this was donated by one of the youngest mayors of New York City, Hugh J. Grant, back in his -- his widow, at least, back in 1914. That's where the Pope is staying.

The last time the Pope was here, when Pope Benedict was here back in 2008, there was a dinner for 52. None of that this time with this Pope because, according to his doctor, strictly fish and white rice that he's being served.

So he got here pretty late last night for the Pope, 78 years old. He got here around 8 or 9 p.m. And then he is up now, I assume getting ready to head out for a very busy day.

He's got more stops today, Chris, than a bicycle messenger in New York City. So a lot to do here, and we'll be watching it for you from the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

And Chris, the -- I picked up my "New York Post" this morning. And, you know, we always look through "The New York Post" to capture the moment. And they did, really, this time. And it was very respectful: "Heavenly! Francis Takes NYC by Storm." I can agree with that. I think you can, too.

CUOMO: Well, I'm happy you agree with it, and it's nice that you compare the Pope to a bicycle messenger. The control room is saying that when the Pope comes out...

LEMON: I said more stops.

CUOMO: ... you should hop the fence and try and get a picture a little bit closer. You know, you should try and just see what happens.

[07:05:10] LEMON: I'll do that. I'll do that.

CUOMO: Just test it, see how good the security is.

All right. Thank you, Don. Appreciate it. See you soon, my friend.

All right. Let's bring in Melissa Mark-Viverito, the New York City council speaker. She represents the district in Harlem where Pope Francis is going to visit a school later today. We're also joined again by Jim Sciutto, and we're going to have CNN Vatican correspondent Delia Gallagher with us, as well.

It's very nice to have you with us this morning.

MELISSA MARK-VIVERITO, NEW YORK CITY COUNCIL SPEAKER: Buenos dias.

CUOMO: Buenos dias, si.

So when the Pope comes, it means something to the Catholics; it means something to the politicians; it means something to the people. But do you think all three are coming together on this special occasion with this special man?

MARK-VIVERITO: Without a doubt. His message is universal. It transcends religion. I think it is a message of hope and that we have a responsibility to each other.

In many different ways he speaks about that. We're stewards of the earth. We have a responsibility to Mother Nature and concerns about climate change. We have a responsibility to our neighbors, when we talk about the immigration challenges that we face and refugees. I mean, it really is a universal message and it really transcends all of that.

So I'm very excited for his visit. I'm very excited that he's coming to my neighborhood, to a barrio (ph), and that he is a Pope of Latin America. And it's not just about speaking Spanish in his native tongue. And he's speaking to a large sector of the Catholic Church that -- it continues to grow, which is the Latin American population.

CUOMO: Oh, yes. The most robust, no question about it.

What do you think it means to your constituents and the people up there in Harlem that the Pope is seeking them out, because he believes the attention is warranted, that they matter every bit as much or if not more than those who tend to get more?

MARK-VIVERITO: No. I mean, it's been -- energy has been unbelievable. People are welcoming him with open arms. And East Harlem is really reflective of the kind of communities he wants to uplift.

CUOMO: Yes.

MARK-VIVERITO: It is an economically challenged, it's a poor district; health disparities. It abuts the wealthiest district in this city, in terms of the Upper East Side. And so I think it really is a contrast of the haves and have nots, is very relevant in that district. And I think it's the kind of community that he's actually been speaking to.

So he's going to be in some more intimate settings, speaking to some immigrants across the city of New York, and really talking about issues that matter and that we have a responsibility as government, as well, to really respond to the call that he set up.

CUOMO: And Jimmy, we know that part of the reason that the Pope has been taking time to be with the less fortunate is to allow people who are in positions of power to remember what matters most. How have you seen him knitting that message together so far? SCIUTTO: Listen, a very tough message to Congress. And we're

going to hear that against today, about a global responsibility to effect change with poverty. Right?

And some of those words yesterday struck me. And I think we'll hear some similar strong language today, talking about not being a slave to the economy and finance. That's a very strong message when you come to the home, really, of unbridled capitalism in America. And I think you can expect similar strong words today when he's speaking to a global audience, as well.

CUOMO: Now, and that message, Delia, you know, by default you think, well, he's speaking to the Melissa Mark-Viveritos of the world, the leaders. You know, take care of these people. But he's speaking to the church, as well. He actually owns the criticism that the Catholic Church itself, while it does a lot, should do much more for those in need, both in terms of intentionality, focus on the mercy, the love, not so much the rules and politics but also with what they do every day.

GALLAGHER: Absolutely. That's why you see that, in addition to going to speak to political leaders, he is also speaking to his own priests, and nuns, and bishops and telling them to have the courage to continue to do good work and to continue along the lines that he is setting in humility, in being close to the poor.

He said yesterday, you know, it's good to rest, but rest with the poor. Rest with the people. That's a different kind of rest than sitting at home watching the television. So that's his message to them. But it's also his message, of course, to the rest of the world.

And today is his pulpit for the environment. It's his favorite topic. And what he says there is, integral ecology. Integral ecology means we are not separate from the environment. We are part of the environment, and therefore, what we do to the environment, we are doing to ourselves. And especially to the poor.

CUOMO: Care, concern, interconnectedness, community, it weaves as a tapestry through everything that he says. So (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE), por favor. Haciendo un lio, what does it mean to you? It's Pope Francis's signature phrase. For us in English it's making a ruckus. But what does it mean to you, and how do you think you should use it in your work and life?

MARK-VIVERITO: It's about toiling. It's about work. It's about really getting your hands -- rolling up your sleeves and getting to work. And he talks about the value of that ethic.

And as such, we have a responsibility to make sure that we take care of the environment, right, that we take care of the less -- the least among us. And it's a reminder.

And so I think, in going to Congress yesterday, for instance, I talk about it as maybe a little bit of a scolding. Right? We maybe are losing our way. Potentially, we can lose our way. But we need a corrective action, and we need to kind of not forget why we're here and what our responsibilities are.

[07:10:04] CUOMO: When you're hearing his message, New York City politics are tough. They've been especially tough recently. You're often in the middle of it. You're a fighter. Everybody knows it.

When you hear him saying, "You people are at your best when you're together, that's what makes America special," he's talking to the leaders. He's talking to the politicians and saying, "This negativity is killing you guys." Do you think it's resonating?

MARK-VIVERITO: I hope so. You know, we have a lot of work to do. There is a lot of work to do here in New York. I think he's coming at the right time. He is a leader of the moment and very much needed, that voice of reason and reminder of why we are doing what we're doing.

And so it is about coming together. There's a lot of work to do here in New York City. I'm glad that he is here. He's very welcome. And I look forward to getting to meet him later on today.

CUOMO: Jim, final point. You've been speaking very eloquently to me this morning, trying to help me as I fumble my way through the broadcast. The juxtaposition of Trump versus anybody and the level of negativity in the name of candor in the GOP race right now, and the race in general, frankly, versus Pope Francis being here at the same time with such an opposite message. How do you see it?

SCIUTTO: No question. Listen, this has been a divisive political race so far for 2016. I mean, think of the words, the comments about Muslims, the comments about immigrants, and not just Trump. But it's part of the broader debate on both sides, really.

And then you have this -- this message of unity. Right? And from a voice that all sides can't help but listen to. That's a pretty remarkable contrast. And it's something you just wonder.

This is -- we talked about this before. The U.N., it's got a big mission. But it's had some problems delivering on that mission. Right? It's hard to get the world together to act. Congress has a big mission. It's hard to get them together to work. Does that aura last? I hope so. Just as an American, a New Yorker, as a world citizen, I hope so.

CUOMO: And Delia, from Francis, it's not just "Be nice." There's a strength to it, a conviction of it: This is your duty; this is your responsibility, whether you believe or not.

GALLAGHER: Well, the word he uses most is common good. This is your responsibility as leaders to take care of the common good. And it strikes me as we were talking that, you know, in this country, we want to do better. We have a kind of natural tendency to want to improve and to do better. And so we tend to listen more and say, "Oh, yes, we should come together."

But when Francis speaks to his own church in the Vatican or to Europeans, or even perhaps to South Americans, there's sometimes a sense of, well, yes, but I'm still right. And there is that element there. That I think the American public and the American people are particularly receptive to somebody saying, "Hey, work together. Try to work together." That's part of our nature.

But sometimes his message is also for those within his own Vatican, for example, where there are great divisions.

CUOMO: They got the right man if they wanted somebody to shake it up. That's for sure.

Melissa Mark-Viverito, thank you so much.

MARK-VIVERITO: Thank you.

CUOMO: Enjoy today. And I can't wait for the reception up there in Harlem.

MARK-VIVERITO: Yes.

CUOMO: It's great to have you with us.

All right. So also coming up this hour, we're going to be joined exclusively by the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Samantha Power. What does she see as the message from the Pope? And what responsibility might it convey on the United States?

Please stay with us throughout the day. We're going to cover this like nobody else can. We'll have all the Pope's events. We'll have the big arrival part when he exits. And hopefully Don jumps the fence. We'll see what happens.

And then, in the 8 a.m. hour, we're going to take you all the way up to the moment of the address, and then we'll show you the address live.

And then tomorrow, we're going to have a special weekend edition of NEW DAY live from Philadelphia. It's a big moment. You know, big point of inflection for the Pope, Alisyn, is the family. And he sees that as a positive and a negative, to reinforce the need and the support. And also to criticize moves against the family: the rights of the unborn. All of that's going to be part and parcel.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: Even Don Lemon's boyish enthusiasm may need to be contained by security when this all happens.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Is there a cage big enough?

CAMEROTA: Yes, that's right. Thanks, Chris. We'll check back with you.

CUOMO: If he jumps that fence, that will be my moment of the trip.

CAMEROTA: Please don't encourage him. I feel that you're planting this idea with him. All right. We'll see what happens, Chris. We'll check back with you. Meanwhile, the White House ready to roll out the red carpet for

Chinese President Xi Jinping. Though the two, President Obama and he, do disagree on some hot topics. CNN White House correspondent Michelle Kosinski has more.

What are we expecting, Michelle?

MICHELLE KOSINSKI, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Alisyn, for the second time in a week now, we'll see this big welcoming ceremony here at the White House, this time with a 21-gun salute. And befitting what the White House calls the most consequential bilateral relationship in the world.

So we'll see that meeting, a press conference, a state dinner. But it's in the more subtle events that we might see the most work get done.

I mean, last night, President Obama and President Xi were able to sit down for a private dinner, 2 1/2 hours long. Last time they did that in that setting, it was five hours. And the White House says it's in that kind of zone, more informal, where there tends to be the most progress between these leaders.

To be a fly on the wall, though, when they discuss, yes, cyber security. Because the intelligence community believes that China is responsible for that massive OPM hack that affected the private information of more than 21 million people. The White House still hasn't acknowledged that, and China alternates between denying it and saying, well, all nations spy on each other.

[07:15:05] And that might be true to some extent, but the U.S. insists it doesn't spy on other countries for financial gain, which it believes China does.

Other touchy topics will include trade, maritime security, maybe even human rights. We know that there has been progress already, though, on climate change. So expect some announcements on that today, as well as what could be a pretty interesting press conference involving both of these leaders -- Michaela.

PEREIRA: Yes, waiting to see here what comes out of those talks. Michelle, thanks so much. We'll be watching with you.

Meanwhile, President Obama has agreed to a face-to-face meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin next week at the U.N. The two leaders haven't talked formally in more than a year. The White House stressing it was a desperate Putin who requested this meeting. The administration says the focus will be on Russia's incursion into Eastern Ukraine. The Russians, though, don't see it that way, insisting the war on Syria -- or in Syria, rather, will be the top of the agenda.

CAMEROTA: Well, with the threat of a partial government shutdown, a measure to fund everything but Planned Parenthood fails in the Senate. Democrats objecting to Republican efforts to defund the group following a series of sting videos. Congress has until Wednesday to pass a bill to keep the government running.

PEREIRA: Another hit for Bill Cosby, Fordham and Marquette universities, rescinding honorary degrees awarded to the comedian. Officials for both schools say the decision was made in light of court depositions where Cosby admitting to giving Quaaludes to women that he wanted to have sex with. It's good to point out here it's the first time both Jesuit universities have pulled such honorary degrees.

CAMEROTA: Incredible update there.

Well, meanwhile, Donald Trump still on top in latest poll as two competitors, Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio, gain some ground. We will talk to team Trump about this all, next.

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[07:20:32] TRUMP (via phone): I know how to win. These guys don't know how to win. Marco Rubio, he's like a kid. He shouldn't even be running in this race as far as I'm concerned. He's a kid.

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CAMEROTA: Well, that was Donald Trump calling the 44-year-old Marco Rubio a kid, to which Marco Rubio struck back at Trump last night.

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SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When the debate turned to policy, he stood silent for 23 minutes. And that's why he had such a bad debate. That's why he's now reacting like he is, and continuing to offend anyone who criticizes him. He's very thin- skinned, obviously. He's very sensitive to criticism. But he can't have a conversation about policy, because quite frankly, he doesn't know anything about policy.

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CAMEROTA: Joining us this morning to respond, executive vice president of the Trump Organization and special council to Donald Trump, Michael Cohen.

Michael, great to see you.

MICHAEL COHEN, EVP, TRUMP ORGANIZATION: Hi, Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Why this spat now with Marco Rubio? What does Donald Trump get out of going after Marco Rubio?

COHEN: I don't think Mr. Trump went after Marco Rubio. I think Marco Rubio went after Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump responded, and then, of course, Marco Rubio then responded back.

CAMEROTA: You're saying that Donald Trump never throws the first punch?

COHEN: No, he doesn't. He -- and he'll tell you himself that he's a counterpuncher. He doesn't want to pick a fight, but if you pick a fight with him, you're going to lose.

CAMEROTA: Does it have anything to do with Marco Rubio's poll numbers have been going up lately? And possibly, Mr. Trump possibly seeing him as a threat? Let's put up the latest poll numbers for everyone. This is what has just happened in New Hampshire.

Here you see Donald Trump still on top, of course. He has gone from 24 percent to 26 percent in New Hampshire. Carly Fiorina has gone way up from 1 percent to 16 percent, Marco Rubio from 3 percent to 9 percent. Is that what's going on here, Michael?

COHEN: Oh, wow. I mean, these numbers are just astronomical for Marco Rubio. If there's a debate tomorrow, Donald Trump is still front and center. He's still eight times higher in the polls than Marco Rubio. He doesn't think about Marco Rubio. Marco Rubio doesn't mean anything to him. And as far as foreign policy, what gives Marco Rubio the right to talk about foreign policy?

CAMEROTA: He's on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

COHEN: And look at where we're at as far as this country is concerned. We are -- we are a disaster in this country as far as foreign policy. We're not respected by any country in this world. We're treated terribly by our own -- you know, by our enemies, who we make into allies. And our allies we treat them like enemies. This is not a man who belongs in the White House.

CAMEROTA: In terms of the poll numbers, pundits always predicted that Donald Trump would have a ceiling. Has he hit the ceiling at 26 percent?

COHEN: They said that when he hit 18 percent. Then they said it again when he hit 20 and then 25. They called it the summer fling.

Donald Trump is the all-American. He is the man that will make America great again. He has awoken the silent majority, and they're not backing down.

CAMEROTA: Let me show you an interesting poll. This is a poll of recent trends. This is where CNN and WMUR, I believe, have crunched together -- sorry, "The Washington Post" -- have crunched together all of the most recent four national polls.

And what they say is that it shows a trend. So here you see if you look at the polls together, that Donald Trump is actually seeing a bit of a decline. His trend line is going down. Carly Fiorina's is shooting up. Marco Rubio is going up. What do you see when you look here?

COHEN: Well, first of all, I don't agree with that. And when you go from 1 to 7 percent, yes, statistically, it's a big shoot up. I'd rather be in Donald Trump's position than Carly Fiorina's position. I'd rather be in Donald Trump's position than Marco Rubio's position.

You don't have to win by 40 percent in order to win this race. You need to win by 1 percent. The guy is literally 18 points higher than anybody else.

CAMEROTA: Let's talk about policy, and let's talk about substance. Donald Trump, as you know, was on NEW DAY yesterday. And I asked him about his plan that he says he will deport 11 million illegal immigrants. And I asked him specifically how he plans to do that. So listen to his response.

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CAMEROTA: How would you, specifically, go about doing 11 million mass deportations?

TRUMP (via phone): Through good management and through a process. And the process is the bad ones go, and they never come back.

CAMEROTA: Would you use the National Guard? Would you use the police, the Army?

TRUMP: I would use different forms. And it will take place, and it will be done effectively and warmly and humanely. And a lot of people will be very happy about it.

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CAMEROTA: Michael, why won't he give specifics about how he plans to deport 11 million?

[07:25:01] COHEN: Well, I think he will give specifics when he's ready to give the specifics. As far as the fact that the media and these pundits want an answer from him today, I don't think he...

CAMEROTA: And voters. This is for the voters.

COHEN: OK. First and -- just -- Alisyn.

CAMEROTA: Don't the voters want to the know if the National Guard is going to go in to extract people from their homes and send them back?

COHEN: Let me tell you what the voters know. The voters know that Donald Trump is a doer. He knows that when -- they know that when he says he's doing to do something, it's going to get done.

You know, it's interesting. A friend of mine, we were sitting in his backyard the other day. And he has a fence, right, between his property and his next-door neighbor's property. I said to him, you know, under the same theory, "Why do you have a fence?"

"Because this delineates my property from yours."

It's the same thing with the country. CAMEROTA: Sure.

COHEN: And the notion, the notion that there are coalitions that say that, just because you come into the country illegally and now you're not even allowed to say that, undocumented immigrants, as opposed to illegal immigrants, they come in and they declare that this is their home. Why do you have a door? Why do you have a lock on your door? Because this is mine, and that's yours. Donald Trump...

CAMEROTA: Everyone agrees that this is an issue and a problem.

COHEN: Alisyn, Donald Trump will do what he says. And he'll do it under his -- under his time line, not yours and not the rest of the media's.

CAMEROTA: Very quickly, I want to get to this feud that he's having with FOX News. Because it was announced yesterday that Roger Ailes will sit down with Donald Trump. What does Donald Trump want to get out of this meeting?

COHEN: Fairness. It's always been fairness. And this isn't the first go-around of this dance. He wants to be treated fairly.

CAMEROTA: And that means never having pundits on that criticize Donald Trump?

COHEN: This isn't an issue about pundits. And this isn't an issue about criticism. They say Donald Trump has thin skin. Look, I sit across the desk from the man. And I've watched this guy, who's the greatest dealmaker in the history of the world. I'm amazed each and every deal, things that he does.

But here's the -- here's the point onto it. What he does is he turns around, and he does not want anything more than for them to be fair to him. And they're not. What they're doing is they're marginalizing him. They're criticizing him. They're trying to figure out how to get this man out of the race.

CAMEROTA: That's what you believe FOX News is doing, trying to get Donald Trump out of the race?

COHEN: I don't know if it's FOX News, as opposed to some of their anchors, but I do believe that they do not report Donald Trump fairly, and they do not report him accurately.

CAMEROTA: Michael Cohen, thanks so much. We always appreciate you coming on NEW DAY.

What's your take on all of this? Tweet us using the hashtag #NewDayCNN, or you can post your comment on Facebook.com/NewDay.

Coming up in our next hour, we will talk with Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum. Stick around for that.

Let's go back out to U.N. and Chris. CUOMO: All right. We're waiting on Pope Francis. He will

literally take the world stage. Never has there been more world leaders than will be at the United Nations today, never in its 70-year history. We're going to talk exclusively with U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power about the Pope's address, what she expects to hear, and what responsibility the United States may have to take on.

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