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Ariel Castro Sentenced to Life Plus 1,000 Years; Ariel Castro Speaking in Court
Aired August 01, 2013 - 20:00 ET
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JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez in for Nancy Grace. Thank you so much for joining us tonight.
The monster who tortures three young girls for a decade finally goes away for life. Michelle Knight, Gina DeJesus and Amanda Berry sustained torture beyond comprehension, described in court today for the very first time, Ariel Castro sentenced on 937 counts, life in prison plus 1,000 years, no parole.
But he doesn`t go away quietly. Court watchers and America are stunned when Castro speaks his mind in court. This is so outrageous, you`re not going to believe it! Take a listen.
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ARIEL CASTRO, GUILTY OF 937 COUNTS: First of all, I`m a very emotional person, so I`m going to try to get it out. I stated before that I was a victim of sex acts when I was a child. This led me to viewing pornography for my whole life.
Eventually, after I held jobs -- because I always worked -- what I`m trying to get is that these people are trying to paint me as a monster, and I`m not a monster. I`m sick. I mean, I`ve been -- my sexual problems have been so bad on my mind that I`ve become (ph) compulsive (ph).
But eventually, I married, had four children, lived a long life. But I still practiced the art (ph) of touching myself and viewing pornography. I believe I am addicted to porn to the point that it really makes me impulsive, and I just don`t realize that what I`m doing is wrong.
I know it`s not an excuse. I`m not trying to make excuses here. I know (INAUDIBLE) forever. I`m not contesting it. I`ve been a musician for a long time, 25, 30 years. And to be a musician and to be a monster like they`re trying to say that I am, I don`t think I can handle that.
I`m a happy person inside. I drove the school bus for 21 years. I did a very good job. Towards the end, I started slacking off, trying to get fired, because I knew it was just too much. This job is too stressful. And coming home to my situation -- you know, I just couldn`t juggle both of them.
But I have never had a record until I met my children`s mother. My son was the other day saying how abusive I was, but I was never abusive until I met her. And he failed to say that in the end, before she passed away, that them two weren`t even talking.
So what I`m trying to say is, she`s saying I was a wife beater. That is wrong because this happened because I couldn`t get her to quiet down. I would continually tell her, The children are right there. Would you please? And she responded, I don`t care if the children are there. And she would just keep going and the situation would escalate until the point where she would put her hands on me, and that`s how I reacted, by putting my hands on her.
I know that`s -- after living with her for 12 years, we were separated. And then I was single for about five years. In that time, I continued to practice the art of masturbation and pornography. And it got so bad that I used to do it, like, maybe two or three hours a day nonstop. And when I was finished, I would just collapse right there.
When I picked up the first victim, I wasn`t -- I didn`t even plan it that day. It wasn`t something that they`re trying to make it look like I did it and planned it and I was thinking about it. I didn`t do that. That day, I went to Family Dollar, and I heard her (INAUDIBLE) say something about she needed to get somewhere, and I reacted on that.
But when I got up that day, I did not say, Oh, I want to go out and try to find some women because it`s just -- that wasn`t my character.
But I know it`s wrong, and I`m not trying to make excuses here. I know I`m 100 percent wrong for doing that. But I`m saying -- they`re trying to say that (INAUDIBLE) violent person. I`m not a violent person. Like I said, I drove the school bus. I`m a musician. I had a family.
I do have value for human life because every time I came home, I would be so glad of the situation, as crazy as it may sound. And my daughter, she just made it -- made every day for me after she was born. She never saw any violence going on in that house, your honor.
Anyone who would question her, she would say the opposite. She`d probably say, My dad is the best daddy in the world, because that`s how I tried to raise her for those six years, so she wouldn`t be traumatized or anything like that. She had a normal life in those six years.
I tried to take her out into public and give her a normal life -- Look, this is how it works. I would take her to church. I would come home and just be normal, like a normal family. These accusations that I would come home and beat her, beat them -- those are totally wrong, your honor, because, like I said before, I am not a violent person. I know what I did is wrong, but I`m not a violent person. I simply kept them there without them being able to leave.
I know when I picked up the second victim, which was Gina, I don`t understand how I passed (ph) up my own daughter to pick her up because I was driven by sex. And no, I did not know who she was. I saw her walking with my daughter, but I did not know that she was in the DeJesus family because I know her dad. We went to school together. We didn`t see much of each other at school, but I know him from school.
Amanda, she got into my vehicle without even knowing who I was. I don`t blame -- I`m not putting the fault on her, but I`m just saying -- I`m trying to make a point across. I am not a violent predator like they`re trying to make me look like a monster. I`m not a monster. I`m a normal person. I`m just sick.
I have an addiction, just like an alcoholic has an addiction. Alcoholics cannot control their addiction. That`s why I can`t control my addiction, your honor.
But most of the sex that went on in the house, probably all of it, was consensual. This -- this -- these allegations about being forceful on them -- that is totally wrong because there was times that they would even ask me for sex. Many times.
And I learned that these girls are not virgins from their testimony to me. They had multiple partners before me, all three of them.
But that`s basically -- I just want to clear the record that I am not a monster. I did not prey on these women. I just acted on the sexual instincts because of my sexual addiction. And God as my witness, I never beat these women, like they`re trying to say that I did. I never tortured them.
Finally, I would like to apologize to the victims, Amanda Berry and Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight. I am truly sorry for what happened. To this day, I`m trying to answer my own questions. I don`t know why -- a man that had everything going on for himself. I had a job. I had a home. I had vehicles. I had my musical talent. I had everything going on for me, your honor. I had a good history of working, providing.
I just hope they can find it in their hearts to forgive me because we had a lot of harmony going on in that home. And if you`ve seen the YouTube video of Amanda this weekend, that right there itself proves that that girl did not go through no torture, did not go through no torture, because if that was true, do you think she would be out partying already or having fun? I don`t think so.
I`ve seen Gina through the media. She looks normal. She acts normal. A person that`s been tortured does not act normal. They would act withdrawn and everything. On the contrary, your honor, the opposite. She`s happy. The other victims are happy.
I haven`t seen much of Michelle because Michelle -- since day one, no one missed her. I never saw flyers about her. But I feel that the FBI let these girls down because they -- when they questioned -- when they questioned my daughter, you know, that`s OK, but they failed to question me. I`m her father. If they would have questioned me (INAUDIBLE) missing, it`s possible that it would have ended right there.
So -- and also, they forgot to mention that I did mention to the girls that I was addicted to porn...
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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez, in for Nancy Grace. More now of Ariel Castro`s disturbing and outrageous statement to the court. Let`s listen.
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CASTRO: I am truly sorry to the DeJesus family, Michelle and Amanda. You guys know all the harmony that went on in that home. I ask God to forgive me. I ask my family -- and I apologize to my family also for putting them through all this. I want to apologize to the state of Ohio, the city of Cleveland for putting a dark cloud over the city. I just want to apologize to everyone who was touched by these events.
But I do also want to let you know that there was harmony in that home. There was harmony in our home. I was a good person (INAUDIBLE) I never had a record. I just hope that they find it in their hearts to forgive me and to maybe do some research on people who have addictions so they can see how their addiction takes over their lives.
So again, I`m sorry to all the victims. I`m sorry to my daughter because I know that -- God bless her, she`s a miracle child. And God bless the women, too.
But she -- you know, there was a time when she -- when she was born, I know I could have taken her -- that`s why she`s a victim also. I could have taken her to the ER, and I chose not to. Thank God that nothing happened bad (ph) because just last year, she started getting toothaches. And I said to myself, I`m not going to let her die, because I know an infection could possibly take her life!
I was just -- the situation, your honor -- I don`t have (ph) the words. But that`s part of the problem that I have also. I`ll start talking, and I just go blank.
So I apologize to you, your honor, for bringing this case even into your court. And again, thank you, everyone. And I`m sorry for everything. I know that true judgment day is when God comes and judges me. But I`ve been reading the Bible and praying and asking for forgiveness. And due to the fact that I do have a sexual addiction, I don`t know how he`s going to judge me. I don`t know.
The comment that the lady made for the DeJesus family at the end, that was uncalled for.
So again, thank you, everyone. Thank you, victims. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me. Thank you.
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CASTRO: I am not a monster. I did not prey on these victims. I just acted (ph) on (ph) (INAUDIBLE) sexual incidents.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have not been a victim. You`ve been a victimizer.
MICHELLE KNIGHT, VICTIM: He told me that my family didn`t care (INAUDIBLE)
CASTRO: With God as my witness, I never beat these women like they`re trying to say that I did. I never tortured them.
KNIGHT: You said, At least I didn`t kill you. You took 11 years of my life away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You will be confined for the remainder of your days.
KNIGHT: I will live on. You will die a little every day.
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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez, in for Nancy Grace. Today, this hearing, sentencing hearing of Ariel Castro, you have got to hear some of the facts that came out today.
I want to go out to Tom Moore, who is joining us from Cleveland, Ohio, news anchor and reporter, WTAM 1-1-0-0 -- 1100 Tom, he talked about that he practiced his art, his addiction. I think he forgot the point here, the modus operandi, because what I heard in court today was that the modus operandi was you abduct the young girl, you take her to the basement, you tie her to the pole, you put plastic ties on her, you put a motorcycle helmet on her, and you sexually assault her. That is how they were initiated into his home.
Tom Moore, tell us about all the chains throughout the home.
TOM MOORE, WTAM RADIO (via telephone): I couldn`t believe what I heard, how long and lengthy and how much the chains -- we`re talking, like, over 90 feet of chain and weighing over 90 pounds.
And at points he was saying things like, Well, this is a typical family. By why would a typical family keep around, let`s say, all those chains and put a motorcycle helmet over the head of a woman like that?
I don`t know. It was just -- to me, it was too hard to believe all that.
CASAREZ: Ninety-two pounds of chains were found in that home, and taken by investigators.
Brett Larson joining us tonight, investigative reporter. Tell us about the wigs that were found.
BRETT LARSON, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: I mean, it just -- it`s like -- Jean, it`s like a house of horrors inside this place, as they uncover more and more of these details. There`s wigs. There`s toilets, like, plastic toilets in the room where they`re supposed to -- these women were supposed to be living...
CASAREZ: Everybody, you are looking at right now a model of the home that the FBI prepared that was shown today in court, colors matching the colors of those rooms in that home. That`s the house of horrors.
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CASTRO: I`m not a monster. I`m a normal person. I`m just sick.
KNIGHT: Ariel Castro, I remember all the times that you came home talking about what everybody else did wrong, and act like you weren`t doing the same thing.
CASTRO: I continued to practice the art of masturbation and pornography.
KNIGHT: I spent 11 years in hell. Now your hell is just beginning.
CASTRO: There was harmony in that home. There was harmony in that home.
KNIGHT: I will live on. You will die a little every day.
CASTRO: I`m not a monster. I`m sick.
KNIGHT: As you think about the 11 years and atrocities you inflicted on us.
CASTRO: Most of the sex that went on in the house, probably all of it, was consensual.
KNIGHT: The death penalty would be so much easier. You don`t deserve that. You deserve to spend life in prison.
CASTRO: There was times that they would even ask me for sex. Many times.
KNIGHT: I can forgive you, but I`ll never forget.
CASTRO: I never beat these women like they`re trying to say that I did. I never tortured them.
KNIGHT: I will prevail and help others that have suffered at the hands of others.
CASTRO: I am truly sorry for the DeJesus family, Michelle, and Amanda. You guys know all the harmony that went on in that home.
KNIGHT: After 11 years, I am finally being heard, and it`s liberating.
CASTRO: Thank you, victims. I hope you find it in your hearts to forgive me.
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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez in for Nancy Grace.
Three young girls survived a decade inside a house of horrors in Cleveland, Ohio. One of the survivors, Michelle Knight, bravely faces her captor in court. The monster who tortures her for 11 years. Take a listen.
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KNIGHT: My name is Michelle Knight. And I would like to tell you what 11 years were like for me. I missed my son every day. I wondered if I was ever going to see him again. He was only 2 1/2 years old when I was taken.
I look inside my heart and I see my son. I cried every night. I was so alone. I worried about what would happen to me and the other girls every day. Days never got shorter. Days turned into nights. Nights turned into days. Years turned into eternity.
I knew nobody cared about me. He told me that my family didn`t care. He tormented me. Even on holidays. Christmas was the most traumatic day, because I never got to spend it with my son.
Nobody should ever have to go through what I went through, or anybody else. Not even your worst enemy.
Gina was my teammate. She never let me fall, I never let her fall. She nursed me back to health when I was dying from his abuse. My friendship with her is the only thing that was good out of this situation. We said we will someday make it out alive. And we did.
Ariel Castro, I remember all the times that you came home talking about what everybody else did wrong and act like you wasn`t doing the same thing. You said, "At least I didn`t kill you."
You took 11 years of my life away. And I have got it back. I spent 11 years in hell. Now your hell is just beginning. I will overcome all of this that happened, but you will face hell for eternity.
From this moment on, I will not let you define me or affect who I am. You will live -- I will live on, you will die a little every day. As you think about the 11 years and atrocities you inflicted on us.
What does God think of you hypocritically going to church every Sunday coming home to torture us? Death penalty would be so much easier. You don`t deserve that. You deserve to spend life in prison.
I can forgive you, but I will never forget. With the guidance of God, I will prevail and help others that have suffered at the hands of others.
Writing this statement gave me the strength to be a stronger woman. And know that there`s good -- there`s more good than evil. I know that there is a lot of people going through hard times. But we need to reach our hand and hold them, and let them know that they`re being heard. After 11 years, I am finally being heard, and it`s liberating.
I thank you all. I love you. God bless you.
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CASAREZ: America put their arms around all of these victims today, led by Michelle Knight.
I want to go out to Tito DeJesus, who is joining us from Cleveland, Ohio. He was a very close friend of Ariel Castro.
Mr. DeJesus, thank you for joining us. You know, I want to ask you, one of the things that your former good friend, Ariel Castro, said in court today was that after he captured Gina, that everybody was asking where Gina was, but nobody came to question him. And if anybody had come to question him, it could have ended very quickly.
Do you know a different story, Mr. DeJesus?
TITO DEJESUS, CLOSE FRIEND OF ARIEL CASTRO: Well, what I can say, I don`t think that would have happened. The last time I saw Ariel last year he came to my home to rehearse with me. The songs were what we had, and he blatantly asked me, hey, did they find your cousin Gina? I`m like, no. And he said well, I hope they do. I hope they find her.
What he said today, he was -- said it to make himself look like he was really sorry or anything. I don`t think, even if they would have come to him and asked him, you know, about Gina he would have said OK, they`re here at home. I`ll let them go. You know, simply, he says sorry because he was caught. He`s sorry because he was caught. Simple as that.
CASAREZ: Mr. DeJesus, didn`t he actually either pass out flyers or go to the vigil of Gina DeJesus when they would have that yearly anniversary that they hadn`t found her yet?
DEJESUS: Yes, he did. And I find that to be very morbid. For him to know that he had these girls, specifically Gina, and go out there and act like he`s a concerned citizen, trying to look for her and wishing the family all the best in finding her. I find that to be very morbid. That`s why I don`t believe in his apology today. He said he`s not a monster? You know what, he is a monster.
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CASTRO: I am not a violent predator like they`re making me look, like a monster. I`m not a monster. I`m a normal person. I am just sick.
KNIGHT: Nobody should ever have to go through what I went through, or anybody else. Not even your worst enemy.
CASTRO: Most of the sex that went on in that house, probably all of it, was consensual.
KNIGHT: He`s told me that my family didn`t care. He tormented me. Even on holidays.
CASTRO: These allegations about being forceful on them, that is totally wrong. Because there was times that they would even ask me for sex.
KNIGHT: After 11 years, I am finally being heard, and it`s liberating.
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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez in for Nancy Grace.
Michelle Knight right there that gave the victim impact statement today. In the last decade, she became pregnant at the hands of Ariel Castro. He kicked her in the stomach and beat her and starved her, and threw her down the stairs, and she had a miscarriage, what he intended her to have. That was one of the things she went through.
You know, I want everybody to look at some video that happened right when Ariel Castro came into the courtroom today. I have never seen anything like it. Of course, I`ve never seen anything like anything that we saw today. But I want you to watch this. He comes in. Look at him scanning the gallery.
He is looking and he`s looking and he`s looking. He`s at his seat. But he`s not sitting down. He wants to look. Who is he looking for?
I think he`s looking for his victims.
I want to go out to Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst who is joining us tonight from Los Angeles.
Bethany, I`m worried about these young, young women. I`m very worried. Because we heard the FBI today testify that they have the best psychological care right now that this country can give them. And also we heard a psychiatrist say that he hopes they can lead normal lives. I`m very concerned about them.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Well, we hope they can. But look at all the torture. I mean, being impregnated, punched in the stomach, thrown down the stairs. You know this whole victim -- this whole impact statement that Castro made, it was a disgusting continuation of his offending pattern.
First of all, he starts by saying that he worked as a school bus driver and as a musician, so he confessed from the get-go that he chose jobs that gave him proximity to victims. Then he talks about the art of touching himself? And we know that all the -- horrible, heinous, sadistic things he did to these victims. So he totally minimizes his offenses, like he`s trying to manipulate the courtroom and manipulate the judge.
And then he really goes in for the kill by blaming the victims. He blames his wife, he throws his wife under the bus, saying that it was her fault that he had to hit her. Then he says that the victims were not virgins when they came to his house and that they were sexually experienced and that it was consensual.
This is one big long offense. But hopefully it will be his final one.
Jean, one other quick thing, if he`s really intact, he`s not delusional, he`s not psychotic, he has no formal mental illness.
CASAREZ: No.
MARSHALL: That`s clear.
CASAREZ: No, what we know --
MARSHALL: So he did this of his own volition.
CASAREZ: That was made clear in the hearing today.
And everybody, the pictures you`ve just been seeing are pictures from that home when those girls were chained and suffered at the hands of Ariel Castro.
Kim Padowitz, joining us, former homicide prosecutor joining us out of Miami.
You know, a lot of people are saying, and Bethany is saying also, it just went on and on and on. He just kept talking, he interrupted the judge, he asked questions. But tell everybody that a record has to be preserved. Although he has forfeited his right to appeal, you have got to preserve that record.
And also you`ve got the issue of punishment, and also the issue of deterrence of other people committing these types of crimes. They`re all important in this process.
KIM PADOWITZ, FORMER HOMICIDE PROSECUTOR: Exactly. And this man is a despicable excuse for a human being. But even monsters, although he says he`s not one, even monsters get due process. Even monsters have an opportunity to spew their filth and disgusting excuses in court, prior to them being sentenced.
You know, when he said he`s not a monster, I mean, that`s just so ridiculous. I envision Godzilla eating a human being`s head and then saying, you know, I`m not a monster, I`m just attracted to eating people. I mean, it`s ridiculous.
If this man is not a monster, if you believe that, then I`ve got land to sell you in the Everglades. But he`s entitled to due process. So he`s entitled to spew this filth in court prior to the judge deciding what the sentence is going to be.
And even though it`s a plea bargain, an agreement between the prosecutor and the defense, the judge has the final say. The judge doesn`t have to accept the plea bargain.
CASAREZ: You know, Kim, I want to stop you right there. I want to show everybody this house. This is the model of the home, the FBI constructed this to scale. And you can see all the different rooms. They are color- coded. Those are the colors of the home at the time that these three young women lived.
And one other thing we realized today, there are four victims, not only the three young women, but a daughter that was born to Amanda Berry with Castro being the father.
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CASTRO: To this day I`m trying to answer my own questions. I don`t know why.
KNIGHT: There`s more good than evil.
CASTRO: Sexual problem is so bad in your mind.
KNIGHT: Days never got shorter. Days turned into nights. Nights turned into days. Years turn into the eternity.
CASTRO: I believe I`m addicted to porn to the point that it really makes me impulsive.
KNIGHT: We said we would someday make it out alive. And we did.
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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez in for Nancy Grace.
Defense attorney Joe Lawless, you know that Ariel Castro had the gall to question the judge in regard to the 6-year-old daughter that he had with Amanda Berry. He wanted visitation. He didn`t understand why there could be a no contact order with this child.
It was one of the many shocking things today.
JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT": Well, it was one of the many shocking things and even the suggestion that he would get visitation is absurd. No lawyer would certainly file the petition. And whatever he would file pro se would be thrown out as a matter of course.
I think it`s just another illustration of the fact that this guy is a predatory animalistic monster who is living in a world he`s created for himself and I don`t know if he`s ever going to come out of it. Had I been his lawyer I would have advised him to say nothing today because what his concern should be now is what`s going to happen in the environment he`s about to go into. They can only keep him in isolation if they do for so long.
And I guarantee you, inmates in whatever institution he goes to are watching this on television and that`s going to just give them more of a reason to want to do something to harm him when he gets there.
CASAREZ: Talking about general population.
All right. Let`s go to Josh in Pennsylvania who has been holding on the line.
Hi, Josh.
JOSH, CALLER FROM PENNSYLVANIA: Hi, Jean. I just actually have a question. Was this the victim who did not want a full trial? I mean there was no death penalty ever on the table?
CASAREZ: You know, Josh, this is a -- I`m glad you brought this up. All right? He was -- the state had never formally given notice that they were going to seek the death penalty. But it was believed they would. And so this was the deal that struck so he got out of the death penalty.
Now we learned today that two of the three victims did not want to speak in court, they didn`t want to come to court. And maybe for their mental psychological health it was better. But yes, this spared Ariel Castro`s life.
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CASAREZ: We remember American hero, Marine Lance Corporal Francisco Jackson, 24 years old, from Elizabeth, New Jersey. He was awarded the Purple Heart and Combat Action Ribbon. He leaves behind his widow, Maxima, his son Giovanni, two sisters and one brother.
Francisco Jackson, a true American hero.
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CASTRO: Because of my sexual addiction.
JUDGE MICHAEL RUSSO, CUYAHOGA COUNTY, OHIO: You don`t deserve to be out in our community. You`re too dangerous because your -- in your mine you`re a victim again as opposed to those who actually did suffer the victimization.
KNIGHT: I spent 11 years in hell. Now your hell is just beginning.
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CASAREZ: We had mentioned to you that Amanda Berry who was held captive for a decade gave birth to a child, Ariel Castro being the father. The initial officer on the scene, Officer Johnson of the Cleveland Police Department, testified today in court. And she talked about that birth. Watch.
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BARBARA JOHNSON, CLEVELAND POLICE DEPARTMENT: I do remember at one point looking at Amanda and asking her, well, how about when you get your daughter? Didn`t you go to the hospital? And she said oh, no. She said, I had my daughter here at the house. And she said Michele delivered her for me. And I was just dumbfounded. I couldn`t believe that. And they said yes, we put a big -- place a pool underneath her to help her with the clean up so it wouldn`t make such a mess.
I remember Michelle saying, yes, he told me if that baby died he was going kill me. If I did ask if anybody else had ever been pregnant and Michelle said, oh, I was. And she said, I was several times and every time he found out I was pregnant he`d starve me and he`d punch me in the stomach. And --
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CASAREZ: Tito DeJesus, former close friend of Ariel Castro, joining us from Cleveland, Ohio, tonight. You were in the home, is that correct, during the time that these three young girls lived there?
DEJESUS: Yes. That was approximately two years ago.
CASAREZ: Did you ever see any sight of them at all, or the little daughter?
DEJESUS: No. Absolutely not. The house looked normal, although I never been upstairs or downstairs. I was just on the first floor but never did I see anything unusual or abnormal or any sign of girls.
CASAREZ: All right. Thank you to all our guests. Thank you to Tito DeJesus, former close friend of Ariel Castro.
Dr. Drew, everybody, he`s coming up next.
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