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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Hey, I'm Chris Cuomo and welcome back to another special live late night hour of Primetime. It is now 1:00 a.m. in the East.

And we're breaking down President Biden's first address to a Joint Session of Congress. Crisis and opportunity, that's what the President said he came to talk about and he laid out a sweeping vision for new opportunities, including a $1.8 trillion package for families and education and a jobs plan that he calls a blue collar blueprint. Take a listen.


JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: American jobs plan is a blue collar blueprint to build America. That's what it is. And it recognizes something I've always said from this chamber and the other. Good guys and women on Wall Street but Wall Street didn't build this country, the middle class built the country and unions built the middle class.


CUOMO: Less about the woke and the bespoke and more about blue collar. How did it do? Seven and 10 who watched told CNN that Biden's speech left them feeling optimistic. Now, remember, people who respond in these polls and watch the speeches tend to be in party with that President. So he's preaching to the converted. But that's still a good number. What did the better minds think? Let's ask Mark Preston and Zolan Kanno-Youngs, good to have you both.


CUOMO: So Mark, did he make the most of the moment?

PRESTON: Yes, no doubt. I mean, tonight, he'll be praised for giving a speech. But it was more than a speech, right? It was more of a talk to the American people. Something that I've seen him, you've seen him do up close, you know, it was more of a town hall atmosphere discussion for him.

And by doing so, he was able to like show his strongest, you know, the strongest tool that he carries, and that's empathy. And the empathy that he showed tonight, I think he's going to carry what he is trying to sell to the American people. And he's trying to sell to Congress to really write the biggest check possible to try to get the country back. And the folks who are going to pay for it, he says it's going to be the wealthy, it won't be the middle class.

Now to the middle class, there'll be help, you know, there'll be very glad to hear that, but the proofs in the pudding. And this is the high watermark right now for Joe Biden, at least for the next few months, because this is going to be a rough and tumble fight over this bill.

CUOMO: Zolan, what do you think worked for him? What do you think didn't?

ZOLAN KANNO-YOUNGS, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Chris, I thought that you at the start of the segment mentioned a key point, the key line from the President's speech, him describing, saying that, stating that it was both crisis and opportunity, right?

I mean, he started this with some of the early victories in his administration, talking about the 200 million vaccine shots that he's distributed thus far to Americans. Obviously, he wants to mention that and get ahead of that. But also seizing the opportunity, not just touting these different spending proposals, but the way in which he described them seem to be almost an appeal to not just Republicans, not just hesitant moderate Democrats, but as you mentioned, blue collar America.

Instead of just describing, you know, a more than trillion dollar infrastructure plan, instead of just describing how the part two of this bill would go to public benefits. He described these bills it as job creators. A good example is something like climate change. A big part of this investment goes to climate change. And we've heard the President describe that not just in -- not just describing the need to combat something that presents an urgent danger to the world, which is, of course, is valid, but that's something that can create jobs.

And that's what you saw him do tonight, seize that opportunity to try and appeal a bit, trying to have some bipartisan appeal. And you even heard it in the adlibs, right? I mean, did you see him also, at times sort of point towards the other side of the aisle, the Republicans, even on some social things, some domestic issues like police reform, he mentioned how there's ongoing negotiations on that topic, probably a nod to Tim Scott, who of course, had the rebuttal against him.

CUOMO: Now, how big a deal is it that Tim Scott said America is not a racist country? The backfill on that is that his point was that the country as an ideal is not set up to be racist not that we don't have racists in our midst and racist policies and problems with racism, does that work as a cleanup?


KANNO-YOUNGS: You know, I think if you talk to many members of this country, if you talk to criminal justice advocates, if you talk to many folks who have watched as police violence has continued, they are going to hear that comment. And they -- at that point, would question whether or not he is in tune with those incidents that have occurred.

But of course, for the Senator, he, of course, is trying to appeal to inframe that in his own sense of unity, appealing to the law enforcement community, appeal to some of those advocates that we stated just a second ago. What I also thought was interesting just in terms of the police reform debate, though, I have to say I was a bit surprised that the President himself in his speech, didn't talk a bit more about what his administration is doing.

Yes, he did talk and say and talk about the George Floyd Policing Act, the White House often when you ask what they're doing on police reform, they say they're trying to give Congress the room to pursue that legislation. But the administration has also announced recent pattern practice investigations into the Louisville Police Department, the Minneapolis Police Department. There's also things that the White House, the administration can do without legislation in Congress, such as pursuing more investigations into police departments and even pursuing consent decrees.

And I was a bit surprised that the President himself didn't describe some of the recent acts that we've seen when it comes to police violence. I mean, my colleagues today are reporting on another shooting that has occurred in Chicago that was caught on body camera footage. This is going to be an issue that obviously has a lot of attention going forward. There's been a lot of attention on the pandemic, and vaccine distribution. It'll be interesting to see if this is the next priority going forward.

CUOMO: I had heard that early on that people like he should have said more. I think Tim Scott want to bail him out on that issue, though. Because in terms of the space of the politics of race, Scott is going to take a lot of heat for what he said, even though, you know, he'll make the obvious point. You don't get to come at me, Tim Scott, and tell me I don't understand racism in America. But I think that that's going to take a lot of the energy away from Biden, and what he did or did not do.

Now, Biden's problem, Mark, is you can't get any of this done. Yes, you can get a lot of it through on reconciliation. Not without Joe Manchin, you can't. And I keep thinking that Joe Manchin is set up as a false Boogeyman here. I don't think he's the only one who has problems with the price tags. How does Biden navigate the politics here to get these things done even through reconciliation?

PRESTON: Yes, so a very difficult position, right? Because Joe Biden needs to try to take the whatever momentum he has right now. And the fact that he has the real progressive liberal side of the party with him, he's kind of got to charge it through and really try to push it through Congress. Because as you and I both know, he has a very limited time, right now in Congress to get anything done specifically, in Washington now, which, you know, certainly the most polarized I've ever seen it since I've been here.

I mean, we can go back in and debate it over history. But what he's got to do is that he's got to try to convince Joe Manchin, that there's one opportunity to try to make this happen. He's got to try to convince Kyrsten Sinema out in Arizona. There is one opportunity for us to make this happen. And really, you know, there's going to be a lot of talk of them trying to woo Republicans over.

In the end, Republicans are very likely going to stay with themselves. They are not going to break with the party. I don't think that's going to happen. But I do think that this is going to happen. I do think that Joe Biden is going to be more liberal than liberals thought he was going to be. And I do think that we will see action on these things here in Washington, it's going to be ugly, but we will certainly see action on it.

CUOMO: I think the trick Zolan will be, will Schumer put this through the legislative process? I think that's the mistake that the Democrats could make is --


CUOMO: -- that you make it too easy for the Republicans to say, how could you put this on us? They didn't work with us.

PRESTON: Right, right.

CUOMO: You know that if it doesn't go through committee, if you don't have the amendments, I know it takes time, but it doesn't take that much time, you lose your high ground, because you allow them to say they wouldn't work with us. They didn't work with us at all. Look at them. They just forced it down our throats. Do you think they'll put it through that process, even if it takes a little bit more time, because it gives them their best chance to get their full ranks through the risk -- to get on board for reconciliation?

PRESTON: I think they'll talk about it. And I think that they'll pay lip service to the Democratic Committee Chairman who want to say that they are very much involved in making this happen. But in the end, if they do go, you know, through the reconciliation process, which is really a convoluted word for all our folks to say it's a process that's never ever really used. And it's a way to get things done to usurp the rules that are --

CUOMO: Right.

PRESTON: -- currently in place, right? But if you're going to do that, then you're all in. You're all in at that point. So I think that you throw the politeness out the window, Chris.

CUOMO: Zolan, let's play some sound of Biden about how he's going to pay for this and how this will play in terms of how he will pay, here.


[01:10:09] BIDEN: How do we pay for my jobs and family plan? I made it clear we can do without increasing the deficits. Let's start with what I will not do. I will not impose any tax increase on people making less than $400,000. But it's time for corporate America. And the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans, they've just began to pay their fair share.


CUOMO: You know, what's coming, Zolan. They pay all the taxes. What is this guy talking about? He's going to kill the economy, tax and spend, tax and spend. You know, it took the guy as old as Biden to bring back old school Democratic tax and spend. That's what they're going to hit him with. Where's the country in terms of how this will be brought across?

KANNO-YOUNGS: You know, it's fascinating, just because I think that right there, that subject right there that sound bite is what you can point to, when and especially when you talk to people on the Hill, where it becomes a -- it's even more convincing that the Democrats are pretty much going to pursue reconciliation when it comes to pushing this kind of legislation.

Because when it comes to the Republicans, as you were just saying, Chris, they are going to question well, wait a minute, how are you going to pay for this? I thought it was interesting that even Senator Manchin on his way out tonight did say, I thought that the speech was well delivered. However, I am interested in the details a bit more now.

The country, well, I mean, early polling seems to indicate, does support some -- they've supported the rescue plan. They are supporting, obviously improvements to infrastructure as well. But we'll have to see really when it comes to somebody like Senator Joe Manchin, whether or not he once he looks into the details and how far the White House will go to really talk to him and convince him to get on board with this.

CUOMO: Fellas, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Preston, good to see you. Zolan, it's nice to have you on the show. It's good to have you.

KANNO-YOUNGS: Thanks so much.

CUOMO: Thank you very much.

KANNO-YOUNGS: Good to be here.

CUOMO: All right. This night is about the Biden agenda. But there's a rebuttal and the Republicans made a strong play. OK, they put Tim Scott out there. He is the sole African American member, but he has lived the American reality. He knows what race looks like in his life as racism. But at the end of it, do you see any room for where these two sides can go from left and right to reasonable? Our political pros, next.



SEN. TIM SCOTT (R-SC): President Biden promised you a specific kind of leadership. He promised to unite our nation, to lower the temperature, to govern for all Americans no matter how we voted. This was a pitch. You just heard it again. But our nation is starving for more than empty platitudes. We need policies and progress that brings us closer together. But three months in, the actions of the President and his party are pulling us further and further apart.


CUOMO: How did this line from Senator Tim Scott of the Republican Party go with reasonable people from the right? Charlie Dent and Amanda Carpenter, good to have you both. So Amanda, the idea of Biden as great divider, does that work?

AMANDA CARPENTER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Listen, I could see what Tim Scott was trying to do here. In the traditional role, when you give the Republican response you put on your partisan hat and you give a rebuttal about why the blue team is bad and why the red team is good. And it just felt off here because it's not what is dividing Republicans and Democrats. It's what's been dividing Republicans.

I don't know how you can say those words after the insurrection and Trump supporters stormed the Capitol. And there's just zero reflection on that point. And I think it takes a certain amount of obtuseness to say those words.

CUOMO: Charlie, what do you think?

CHARLIE DENT, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, overall, I thought Tim Scott's response was pretty good, pretty measured, pretty conciliatory. But on that point that you just referenced in that clip, I think Biden has actually turned down the temperature, he has tried to normalize things as best he can. He's responded to COVID pretty well. So I think, in that sense, I thought Tim Scott was a little off.

But overall, I thought he made some good points. You know, he, you know, he talked more about race, frankly, than the President, which I thought was interesting. He also spoke in defense of the Georgia election law, pointing out that that law is more liberal than New York and Delaware and for that matter, Pennsylvania. And so I thought that was interesting.

And on police reform, it was interesting that he took a jab at the Democrats who were filibustering his police reform bill last Congress, which now and they now when the Republicans use it, of course, it's a racist human rights violation. So he pointed out some hypocrisy. But overall, I thought both Tim Scott and the President were pretty conciliatory.

CUOMO: Amanda, it is an interesting place for the Republican Party right now. They put forth Tim Scott. He is supposed to be their best step forward in terms of meeting the New America. And then he says America is now racist.

CARPENTER: Yes. It is funny to watch not only these pair of speeches, but just the overall conversation that's going on between the two parties. I mean, consistently on the left, you have Biden and other Democrats serving up policy after policy and goodies that they want to give out to Americans. And we can talk about, you know, why Republicans would oppose that.

But Republican articles in that, right, like that sort of the thing. They are insistent on having this entirely different conversation about the cultural word. I think that is what Tim Scott was doing with, you know, talking about the racism, because this wasn't -- this was a play, to say, hey, remember, the Democrats make everything about race. They want to divide us up and turn every conversation into Republicans are racist. And we're fed up with that.


And that message is extremely appealing to the Trump base. And so I think Tim knew exactly what he was doing. He was feeding that message, but it just seems out of place, because Biden is trying to have a policy discussion, you know.

CUOMO: Also, look, I mean, it's a weird moment in our history, you know, you couldn't have had a white man give that speech. If a white man came out and said, they make everything about race, America is not racist. The left would immediately tag the guy as racist, Charlie, you know, who said that. But you're not going to call Tim Scott, a racist, obviously. He lived the negativity of the experience. He overcame it. He's got the life story. And he's got the pigment that he's had to pay a price for.

So he can say whatever he wants. But it is an interesting play. I don't think that the current GOP can handle a member of its ranks saying this is a racist country and reward that with support, do you?

DENT: Yes. I would agree. I think, you know, I heard what Tim said. You know, I mean, it's fair to say there are -- certainly there are racists in America, but he said that America is not a racist nation. And I think he was trying to, you know, move beyond the race conversation. And like I said, he pointed out, you know, he did point out, you know, the hypocrisy sometimes in the Democrats on these issues, when they say the filibuster is racist. But when they used it, you know, it was for a noble pursuit to block his police reform bills, for example.

So I think he was trying to point out some of that hypocrisy. And again, he can get away with it much easier than a white Republican would have been able to. So I think you're right about that.

CUOMO: Amanda, the idea of them working with Democrats on anything as terms of the policy discussion, as you put it earlier, what is the chance of that?

CARPENTER: Well, I mean, there's so much to choose from, right? What I find curious is that everyone pretty much acknowledges what Biden is proposing is transformational FDR kind of change that will fundamentally change the relationship that Americans have with the government. And then immediately turn around and say, well, where's the Republican support?

Well, that kind of answers its own question. There's not a lot to bring Republicans to the table. Could I pick out some things? Yes, I could. For example, Tim Scott, as Charlie pointed out, is interested in police reform. I was disappointed that he didn't push the conversation on getting rid of qualified immunity. That is something that he is working on in the Senate. And there is ripe opportunity to get something done. But he put on the partisan hat. I just want to talk about how Democrats blocked him last year when there's plenty of interest in the subject now.

And so, you know, you can pick and choose things, but if the thing on the table is we want a $2 trillion bill, you're not going to find any takers. Republicans are going to say, go ahead. Do that in reconciliation. We'll campaign against you in the midterms.

CUOMO: Yes. Look, I think that that's the exact right play, by the way. And the Democrats will make it even easier for you guys if they don't follow ordinary process. Now, Charlie, what's your instinct on whether or not Schumer who's supposedly known for being savvy to this kind of game, puts it into Committee, puts it on the floor so you can see the markups, you can see what amendments people put forward, and then you'll get a sense of whether or not the resistance from the right is specific in principle, or if it's just the politics of opposition?

DENT: Well, if you're talking about the infrastructure bill, you know, I do think that Joe Biden tonight actually, you know, laid out an olive branch for Republicans on infrastructure. He made a passing reference to Shelley Moore Capito's alternative proposal. So I think that they're going to -- I think they may try to do infrastructure through regular order on a more bipartisan basis. I do believe that.

Now, I think that anything they're going to do on taxes, they will try to jam through reconciliation. So I think that you can separate those two issues out. I think the challenge for Republicans though, is they have to put forward a serious infrastructure proposal that actually has some pay for us that are credible. They just simply can't say we're for infrastructure ignore pay for us, then that just opens it up for the Democrats to use reconciliation for their tax agenda.

CUOMO: Amanda, how big a deal was it to have two women in the positions, the literal pole positions of power behind the President in obviously Speaker of the House Pelosi and V.P. Harris?

CARPENTER: I mean, it was pretty cool. I'm jealous they're not Republicans. I wish they were Republicans. But one moment for Republican women that I did like and I did appreciate was the Joe Biden fist bump to Liz Cheney when he walked in.


CUOMO: What do you think that means? CARPENTER: I think it means he recognizes what she's doing. And he respects it. I do.

CUOMO: Charlie, in terms of where this is going to be headed. Yes, the era of big government is back. And Biden will say it has to be because we're in such a hard time so let's make opportunity out of it. Do you think that that's just going to be the line, and no one on the right is going to step anywhere near it because that is anathema to the politics of the midterms?

DENT: Yes, actually, I think that Joe Biden is misreading his mandate. I think his mandate was to --


DENT: -- normalize and stabilize the country and the way we govern ourselves, which he's done effectively deal with COVID. Again, you can give him high marks for that. I don't think the mandate was to go this big, $6 trillion in spending in the first year. So I think he's misreading that. And I do think that these proposals are not quite as popular as he thinks they are.

So I think that he's taking a great risk, given the fact he's got such narrow majority in the House and the narrowest majorities in the Senate. So I think he's taking a great risk and is willing to go this big because he's willing to forsake the House because he figured he's not going to get anything in the second two years of his term. So I think he's taken an enormous gamble here, with these go big proposals, because I don't think that's what the American people voted for.

They wanted to get rid of Trump. They wanted rest, not a revolution. That's what I thought not the -- and I think they get a little bit more of a revolution than they bargained for.

CUOMO: Different flavor of revolution was a little bit of the emphasis tonight, Amanda, on January 6th. And January 6th is a weak spot for the right in terms of caring about law and order. And I say it on my show all the time. I don't want to hear about you saying that blue lives matter if you don't own what happened on January 6th to over 100 officers.

There's clearly a decision on the right to ignore that and play it down while any other act of violence can be called terror quickly enough, especially if it involves a Muslim. How big a deal do you think this could play in the culture of war? And does it have to be an adjustment on the right?

CARPENTER: I think it's the single biggest shadow hanging over the Republican Party. I think the GOP is frozen, not only in terms of policy, but in terms of what kind of candidates they run because this looms so heavy. Donald Trump still has not conceded, he has not conceded. People have not come to terms with what that led to. There has been no reflection. But a lot of voters remember and a lot of Republicans remember. And this continues, the big election lie continues in the states, in the state of Georgia, in Arizona, with this audit and this relentless campaign to restrict voting, make it harder to vote in many ways because of what the lies that Donald Trump told.

And so this is -- that is ongoing. And I really, you know, there's a lot of reasons I want COVID to be over. I wish it would have been over today. So all those Republicans could have been in the room and Joe Biden could have made a harder case to them about it to their face.

CUOMO: Charlie Dent, Amanda Carpenter, thank you very much. Appreciate you both.


CUOMO: All right, we have more --

DENT: Thanks Chris.

CUOMO: -- coming up on the speech.


But also, this is a really interesting turn on the investigative side with this raid on Rudy Giuliani. It is unusual, the search warrant is probable cause, right, same level for an arrest. So it's not the highest burden in the world. But it's very rare to see someone's lawyer get hit with a search warrant. And you know who the last lawyer we saw get it? Cohen. What does this mean for Donald Trump? Next.



CUOMO: We saw today an extraordinary move by the Department of Justice, this raid by federal agents at the apartment and Office of Rudy Giuliani. The move is part of a two year investigation into Giuliani's activities in Ukraine. Let's discuss the investigation with former FBI Special Agent Asha Rangappa.

So, getting a warrant for someone who is presumed to be the attorney for the former president, how hard, what does it mean?

ASHA RANGAPPA, CNN LEGAL & NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: It's very hard, there's a high bar that would have had to have gone to main justice. And in fact, we know from the reporting that executing this warrant was denied before the election. So this has been kind of in the works for a little while. But because of the 60 day window that the DOJ observes before an election, you know, that the FDNY wasn't allowed to execute this.

But because of attorney client privileges, this is a very high bar. But to get a search warrant, you have to demonstrate to a federal judge that you believe that you're going to find evidence of a crime at the location and, you know, in the specific devices or locations that you are, you've indicated in the affidavit. And this is something that comes much later in the investigation. In other words, you have to have accumulated a lot of evidence in order to justify taking the intrusive step of the search warrant to begin with. So this does not look good for Mr. Giuliani. And, you know, we'll see what goes forward from here.

CUOMO: So the warrant is more likely to be a middle towards the end of a process than it is an initiator because obviously you have to get some sufficiency for judged by that you know what you're going to find out or at least the universe of what you might find. OK, so then it becomes, what would they exposure be? We keep hearing about, he didn't register as a lobbyist to a foreign national. So that's the FARA Act and that's what they're going to get them on. What does that mean to Trump? Does Trump have any exposure here?


RANGAPPA: Yeah, so people have been throwing, you know, FARA around. But let's talk about what that means, the Foreign Agent Registration Act, seeks to basically create some transparency in our government functions. So if someone is acting at the direction or control of a foreign principal, in their dealings, for example, lobbying, or other, you know, in influencing government, they need to disclose that to the Justice Department, because the people who are on the receiving end of that need to know that this is actually a foreign government or, you know, foreign official who's trying to get these things done. And so what would be the concern behind a foreign violation is that there was foreign influence in the activities that Giuliani was engaged in.

Now, during this time, he was engaged in seeking dirt on Hunter Biden, in order to, you know, basically help Trump's election efforts. He was also seeking to have Ambassador Yovanovitch ousted from Ukraine. So there are official steps that he was trying to get. And the question is that was he doing that? If this is a far investigation, was he doing that at the direction and control of, you know, foreign governments or officials?

CUOMO: What does any of this mean to the former president?

RANGAPPA: So I think it depends on what did the President know. You know, we know that, for example, President Trump had the ambassador to Ukraine recalled, we know that he was asking for the newly elected President of Ukraine to start investigation, Joe Biden, you know, was he aware that his attorney was, you know, engaged with these officials? I think that's the link that needs to be established.

I will say that in his impeachment proceedings, the perfect call, if you'll remember, Chris, when he's talking to President Zelenskyy, he is referring Zelenskyy to talk to Giuliani, to get things in motion and do all these things. So they're, you know, Giuliani was definitely a middleman here. But I think the President's exposure with this and just by the way, there could be other things also that, you know, the FBI is investigating, we don't know, but this would seem like the most obvious thing, at least the tip of the iceberg for sure.

CUOMO: If people try to wave it away by saying, well, we saw this with Michael Cohen, and I never got Trump in any trouble. Is that apples to apples?

RANGAPPA: I think it really depends on what they find. That was, you know, it was a different violation, first of all, that was a campaign finance violation. And one thing that I think we have seen with Trump is that he's quite good at, and I think Michael Cohen testified to this, at getting others to execute plans that he wants done, but maybe not without, you know, having direct orders or paper trails or money trails and things like that. So, there could be a lesson there. But I think that in many ways, we know, for example, particularly with Ukraine, because of his impeachment proceedings, he was directly involved in at least some aspects of the end goals of Giuliani's efforts. So I think that he may be less further removed in this situation than he was, perhaps with the Cohen investigation.

CUOMO: I liked the point that you made, I'm at a time but it's a good point to tell the audience that all this talk about it not happening before the election, not only is that consistent with the 60 day pre- election window, but maybe Barr and his guys didn't want to do it. And that may be a good thing in the interest of justice, because had they served it, might have triggered Trump to pardon him, so.

RANGAPPA: Get a pardon, yes.

CUOMO: And now unless he did a pocket pardon, which I think we'd know about at this point, Mr. Giuliani cannot avail himself of that relief. Asha Rangappa, good to see you.

RANGAPPA: Thank you.

CUOMO: President Biden urged a joint session of Congress to pass a police reform bill in George Floyd's name in time for the anniversary of his death. The Lone black Republican in the Senate who delivered the response says he is meeting with negotiators tomorrow on policing legislation. Does our policing pro see compromised coming? Next.




JOE BIDEN, (D) U.S. PRESIDENT: We have to come together to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the people they serve, to root out systemic racism in our criminal justice system. And to enact police reform in George Floyd's name that passed the House already. I know the Republicans have their own ideas and are engaged in productive discussions with Democrats in the Senate. We need to work together to find a consensus. But let's get it done next month, by the first anniversary of George Floyd's death.


CUOMO: President Biden putting forth that urgently to rebuild trust between police and the communities they serve. His message came on the same day in North Carolina judge ruled that video from four body cameras and last week shooting death of Andrew Brown Jr. will not be released publicly for now. Let's discuss it all with Anthony Barksdale.

Bark, you know, the first barrier is, the premise that there is a need to rebuild trust, you listen to a lot of people on the political right and they'll say the only reason there's a trust issue is because it dummies like you, Cuomo, you keep bringing up all these bad situations in policing that have as much to do with compliance as with the cops, and why do you think there's no trust? It's on you, not the police?

ANTHONY BARKSDALE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I believe that the police and those focusing on reform must figure this out. We're seeing cops leave numerous departments in droves. And the reform issue is on the table. The cops need to acknowledge that some of the things that we, the world that you've been pointing to are real. This is happening and we need to restore the trust, the trust of the community, the trust of those that pay their salaries, those that they are supposed to serve. And you know, you too far to the left, too far to the right. But if you speak the truth, then you're the problem. It's a tough spot for this country, but we've got to figure it out.

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CUOMO: So for those of you who haven't been watching Anthony, on a regular basis on this show, he was the former Acting Commissioner of Police in Baltimore. So he understands investigations that can be politically sensitive. I don't understand what happened in North Carolina today. I get a judge saying, hey, the locals want to go slow here, because it may hinder the investigation. All right, I get it. But first of all, I thought that the case was taken from them and given to the state. And then the state, the entity there is called the state Bureau of Investigation, the FBI in North Carolina, they say, well, we'll defer to the locals on this. Well, then what was the point of taking the case from them?

BARKSDALE: It's a joke. I don't know what's going on in North Carolina. This is something where I see the federal government really is the ones, it's going to be the Biden administration that is going to have to push for justice in North Carolina, it is unbelievable.

CUOMO: The governor said he wanted it, Anthony. He said I want the videos out. The FBI is under his direction. Why are they deferring to the locals?

BARKSDALE: It's it seems like there's a game of keep away, Chris. It is -- it's just not acceptable. And the Brown family and the world deserves better, especially that community.

CUOMO: The sheriff said this, Sheriff Tommy wouldn't, again, he's not supposed to be running this anymore. I'm not criticizing him. This is what the state decided. They decided to take the case. So I don't know why we're still following his feelings about this. But here's what he said. I wanted the body camera footage to be released to the public as soon as possible. And I'm disappointed it won't happen immediately. As soon as all the important facts are given to me, I will act quickly to ensure accountability. And I'll be as transparent as I possibly can with the public.

Now, he said he wanted the footage released in its entirety out of fear that it might cause some issues. If you don't, why not? BARKSDALE: Tell us what you saw. If he's seen the videos, if he's seen this thing, you go ahead and tell us what you saw. You tell us, the judge has seen it, tell us what you saw. There's something wrong here. And it's like an episode of, you know, a Dukes of Hazzard, where it's just, it's corrupt. And we're going to do what we want to do. And you guys get over it. We don't need to get to the citizens of North Carolina can't just get over it. So it's not making sense.

CUOMO: And the DA said, you know, the DA says yeah, we don't want the tapes out. But by the way, Andrew Brown ran into him with his car, then why wouldn't you release the tape? If you if you want it to see that they needed to do this because he posed an imminent threat, then show us because you know what's going to happen now, Bark, the family is going to watch it. And you and I are going to have to rely on the family's recitation of what they saw, no disrespect to the Brown family, but they shouldn't be put in a position of being a fair broker on what their loved one did or did not do in a situation and what police did or did not do in a situation that ended in his death

BARKSDALE: 100% correct. You're spot on one. And if the officers were acting properly, why not show it, why put it -- why hold this away from the public risking riots, risking the trust, the transparency that you said you want with the public? It's not making sense. And we have to do something.

CUOMO: Anthony Barksdale, we will do something. We will stay on the story. I will keep rolling on your expertise and we'll piece it together best we can. I don't want to do it this way. I wanted the body camera footage to come out and, you know, it'd be like hey, Bark, this was the wrong reckoning that we have, we know how this ended, we didn't know how it began. Look at this and this and this. Now what's the analysis?


CUOMO: This, we just wanted to be fair and open, transparency is trust is truth. Bark, be well, I'll see you soon.

BARKSDALE: Literally.

CUOMO: Almost all of the President's speech was scripted. So what, that's what they are. However, a moment off prompter was one of the most powerful that also can happen. Now what was its impact? We discussed, next.



CUOMO: President Biden did go off script. It was about a tribute Mitch McConnell made to Biden's late son, Beau, in 2016. That was the year after Biden lost his 46 year old son to brain cancer. McConnell called on the Senate to rename a bill aimed at accelerating Cancer Research after Beau. The President made it a point to say thank you.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BIDEN: I'll still never forget when we passed the cancer proposal in the last year as vice president, almost $9 million going to NIH. You'll excuse the point of personal privilege. I'll never forget you standing, Mitch, and naming it after my deceased son. It meant a lot. But so many of us have deceased sons, daughters, and relatives who died of cancer. I can think of no more worthy investment. I know of nothing that is more bipartisan. So let's end cancer as we know it. It's within our power. It's within our power to do it.


CUOMO: Thank you for watching. I want you to stay tuned because the news continues here on CNN.