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Aired July 28, 2021 - 21:00   ET




REP. ANDREW CLYDE (R-GA): I stand by that exact statement, as I said it.

REP. JAMIE RASKIN (D-MD): OK. Do you agree, or disagree with the officers, who spent four hours, or five hours, battling that medieval mob that had baseball bats and lead pipes and so on?

Do you stand by the statement that the people that they were fighting were tourists? Or would you agree with them that they were terrorists?

CLYDE: That statement did not say that those people were tourists.


ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: There's your answer! Despite gut-wrenching testimony, about physical abuse, and racist taunts, from four Police officers, yesterday, he apparently still believes it.

The news continues. Let's hand it over to Chris for "CUOMO PRIME TIME." Chris?

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN HOST: No. He just wants certain people, who he wants to influence, to believe that he can tell them what he thinks they want to hear. It's a little convoluted. But that's how we got where we are, brother.

Anderson? Always good to see you.

I am Chris Cuomo. Welcome to PRIME TIME.

Look, you want the truth? Here's the truth. We got a long way to go with this pandemic. It's not going to be over soon. Our fall is going to be screwed up. And there is fault in that. We made ourselves sick. It is our denial. It is our division.

"Wear a mask." "No." Cases and deaths skyrocket. "Take the vaccine." Waves of people do, the virus abates, but then rebounds why, because there was a population that refused to get it. Variants came, as predicted. Cases go again, up, up, up, forcing what?

What they're telling us now. Now, it's a different form of the virus. Things changed. It's how science works, right? Facts, analysis, knowledge.

Now you got to mask up. So, the same people, who refused the vaccine, and refused the mask, before it, are now refusing the mask again.

Now, here's where I'm about to qualify my statement, because I know, I know, what you're doing right now. I know you're rolling your heads, and "What are you talking to me for?" I know.

There is a new "We." They are the vaccinated. And this pandemic has become about the vaccinated and the vacuous. And now, more specifically, here's where we are. How much more are the vaccinated going to take from the vacuous and their enablers?

I know that you, within that group, the vaccinated, are a majority. And unlike what we've been dealing with, the rest of the time in our political poison environment, you're different races, places, Right, Left, but overall, reasonable, reasonable enough to respect the guidance, respect the science, reasonable enough to see bravery in protecting your families and others.

And yet, 60,000-plus cases a day, when so many of you have been doing what you were asked to do, even though it's not easy.

A variant strain so contagious, the CDC says even the vaccinated can spread it. Why? Because the virus changed, not the science. The science reflects the facts. This variant is different than the one we had, because it has been allowed to replicate at a rate, and in a way that it has gotten more resistant to being killed off.

The vaccinated didn't cause this. And they may have to mask up but they will have to live with the pandemic, and all the problems for work, and family, largely because of shortcomings, you had nothing to do with.

Now, those causing the problems say they are "Confused by the guidance." Really? The guidance is and was simple.

Listen to Dr. Fauci, from here, just last night.


DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES, CHIEF MEDICAL ADVISER TO PRESIDENT BIDEN: We're not changing the science. You know what changed, Chris? The virus changed. And the science evolved with the changing virus.


CUOMO: I know people in the media are talking down to you, if you didn't get vaccinated. That's not me. But I don't believe that you're confused. I believe you're being baited, by your enablers, to see it as confusing, as a way of rationalizing your resistance. But you know you got it. Get the vaccine, and you won't need the

masks, and we'll stop the virus. Remember? That was Trump's promise. That was the promise of Operation Warp Speed. Yes, he overhyped it. But the vaccine came. It was his vaccine. And then you didn't take it!

And when people did take it, what happened? The need for the masks went away. But then those who refused to get the vaccine allowed the virus to spread, and change, so now we need masks again.

So, get vaccinated. Why? If you get vaccinated, we can slow this thing down because it can't replicate the same way. We can contain it. That's it. Is that confusing?


But the strong and wrong, enabling you would rather state that "It's confusing. It doesn't make sense."

Kevin McCarthy declaring this CDC decision "Wasn't based on science, but conjured up by liberal government officials, who want to continue to live in a perpetual pandemic state." Why? Why would they want that? It's bad for Biden.

Conjured? Take a look at the map, my brothers and sisters. Does this look conjured? Hospitalizations up all over, younger people now getting sick. That familiar refrain, "Well, it's really just the old people," not anymore, thanks to you. Do you know why that is? Unvaccinated people and the people enabling the reticence, or outright resistance, as if it were some misplaced righteous cause. "It's freedom!"

I'll talk to one of you tonight. We got him on the show.

"It's freedom not to take the vaccine." You've got the right. But we're learning every day how not right that decision is. It's not confusion. It's a contamination of toxic thought.

And now, in this era of animus, the kind of talk of McCarthy gets a new response. And here it is.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Leader McCarthy -- Leader McCarthy says it's against the science.

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): He's such a moron.


CUOMO: Does that help? "No," should be the answer.

But then you see a Chip Roy of Texas, Member of Congress, file a motion, to adjourn Congress, over the mandate. Listen to this.


REP. CHIP ROY (R-TX): We have a crisis at our border. And we are playing footsie with mask mandates in the People's House.

We have people infected with COVID coming across our southern border into Texas, and you all put masks, masks, upfront here?

Which is it? Vaccines or masks? Do the vaccines work or they don't work? Do the masks work, or they don't work?

This institution is a sham. And we should adjourn and shut this place down.



CUOMO: Oh God, give us strength! I mean, could it be any more perfect, I guess, in its perversity that Marjorie Taylor Greene, the QAnon kook, is the one who stands up?

Look, I've had Chip Roy on this show. I'm trying to get him back. He can't believe what just came out of his face. "Do the vaccines work or not?" The vaccine works but not as well when you allow the virus time to grow and change, which you did, by not pushing people to get vaccinated.

And just the illogic of it! So, Chip Roy was one of those guys who say, "Look, man? Don't shut us down. Don't shut us down. You know? If you shut us down, it's going to hurt people's lives. It's going to hurt our economy." And that was always true. Nobody wanted to shut down.

But now, he is insisting, with his refusal, to make it more likely we'll have to do that again. What illogic? That's confusing!

What's confusing, is choosing to see unvaccinated people as a problem, but only if they enter the country illegally. You saw him throw it in there, right? Because he's from Texas.

Why? Because it's a boogeyman. It is not true that migrants, who cross the border, from Mexico, are not tested. They are. "Oh, I heard there's been a surge of cases in the detention centers." There has. Two reasons.

One, our immigration system sucks. And nobody wants to fix it. The laws aren't right. The resources aren't right. The remedies, in terms of how we deal with countries of origin, is not right. Nobody's fixing it. They just want to complain about it. We were never a wall away.

But there's another reason that cases are popping in those detention centers. You know what it is? Because they're popping everywhere, all over the country. So, don't look for a scapegoat. Look at yourselves, if you're the unvaccinated.

And yet, there is hope. The vaccinated and their allies are closing ranks. Big companies, Google, Facebook, Netflix, The Washington Post, Lyft, they're requiring employees to be vaccinated, in order to return to the office. Do I like that people are being forced? It's irrelevant. I'm not

making policies. Do I think they have the legal ability? Yes. Do I think it needed to come to this? No. I don't think people should be forced to do what's smart. Do we have precedent? Yes, although this vaccine is different.

Biden administration, not having this FDA-approved, I told you it was a problem. I said it was going to become more of a problem. And now it is going to be more of a problem, because you're going to have people forced to take a vaccine that's not FDA-approved. You better make the case!

Now, but the best case for hope is that maybe this scare, maybe this variant, maybe seeing that we really can go backwards, is sinking in. Because despite all the enablers saying "This is confusing, and remember, you're free not to take it," more are joining the ranks of the vaccinated than we've seen in a while.


The White House says almost half of -- almost half a million, so right around 400-and-something-thousand Americans got their first shot today. It's the highest daily pace in almost a month. Good for them!

If your doctor says it's OK, and you can handle it health-wise, good for you. Now, we just need these Trump enablers to stop trying to make America sick, again.

For more on the way out, let's bring in a better mind, David Leonhardt, Senior Writer, at "The New York Times."

Good to see you, brother.


CUOMO: Did I get anything wrong?


CUOMO: So, when we look at--

LEONHARDT: I mean, look, I think--

CUOMO: Go ahead, bud.

LEONHARDT: No, I mean, look, I think there's just so much going on, at this point, right?

There's some things are clear, which is the lack of vaccination, among a very large share of Americans, about a third of those, who are eligible, is the dominant reason that the pandemic is growing.

There are also some things we don't understand, right? I mean, you can see in England, that with Delta, it surges, and then it recedes. So, there are aspects of this pandemic that we don't fully understand. But in terms of what the main problem is, it's exactly what you said.

It's that a huge portion of Americans are not vaccinated.

CUOMO: I take solace, by the way, in that peak diminishing return curve of this variant. It does suggest that if you do the right things, it can be shortened duration, in terms of how rapidly it spreads. But again, there's a caveat in there that you have to do the right things.

Corporate mandates, mandates in general, within government, and now private sector, good, bad? Right, wrong?

LEONHARDT: I would say effective. So, I would separate a little bit.

I mean, I think there are people out there, who are saying "President Biden needs to enforce a national mandate." I think that's wishful thinking. I think it would get tied up in the courts. I think it might be ruled unconstitutional. It's just not something we have any history with, in this country. So, I don't think we're going to see a national mandate.

But I think corporate mandates are going to have an effect. We know from polls, and from experience, that there are a significant number of people out there, who are skeptical of the vaccine. But if you tell them that you need to get it, in order to keep your job, they're going to get it. And so, I think corporate mandates can really have a big effect.

And the fact that Google and Facebook and Netflix have done this, what this means is that if you're a small company, and you wanted to do it, but you were afraid, you're a lot less afraid now, because you're not going to be on CNN, as the company that put a mandate in, because Google and Netflix and Facebook have all already done it.

CUOMO: Now, let's talk about the Biden administration, for a second. As you may be aware, I have been big on the "Get it approved" train.

No, I'm not saying to rush the approval, fake the approval, manipulate the approval. But if it's what Tony Fauci says, which is they're basically just dotting the I's and crossing the T's, have more people with pens, get the work done.

Because not only do I think that it is a, you know, it is ammunition, in terms of why it's not legal, to force people to take it, but also, it hurts people, who have hesitancy that it's not approved. And I think that dovetails with what we're seeing, in some gaps, from the CDC, here about information.

We can show up where the cases are. But show us the breakthrough infection data. Show us that cases have given an opening in places for this, about why you need to change guidance. Show data.

Am I right? Or am I looking at it too closely?

LEONHARDT: No, I think you're on to something important here, which is clear communication is a vital public health strategy. And it's not enough.

Look, the people who work at the CDC, and the FDA, and the NIH, where Dr. Fauci works, these are dedicated public servants, who are trying to do the right thing. And I want to say that because I'm about to say some things that are more critical.

These are dedicated public servants trying to do the right thing. But when they communicate unclearly, and then they hide behind, "Well, that's our process, and so we have to do it," but it doesn't make sense, to the rest of us, they're not doing their jobs as well as they could.

And so, the FDA has not maintained a policy of neutrality. The Head of the FDA, and other senior people, at the FDA, have come out and said "The best thing you can do is get vaccinated." So, they're not neutral on this. They're out there advocating.

And yet, they've fallen short of approving the entire vaccine, which has precisely the problems that you've laid out. It raises some doubts among people, who maybe they're looking for reason to have doubts, but it raises doubts. And second of all, it makes it harder for some companies and organizations to mandate the vaccine.

So, if the FDA said, "Look, we just don't know yet. This is an emergency product. We are not sure whether it's safe or not," that would be one thing.

But instead, their leaders are out there endorsing the vaccine loudly, at the same moment that they're not doing the most important thing that would lead people to do exactly what they're telling people to do, which is get vaccinated. And that's just not clear-speaking.


CUOMO: David's also written about the need for clarity with breakthrough data, which is -- by the way, and I apologize, not to David, he knows everything, but to you, watching wherever you are. That is a confusing term. We've never used it before. And we just threw it into all our conversations in the last week or so.

It's an infection that somebody who is fully vaccinated gets. It breaks through the vaccine protection. And that data, they haven't really been on it. They haven't really been controlling how much of the infections are variants, and who gets them, and how. They need to do better.

And the reporting of people like David Leonhardt, specifically him, will help guide the way to accountability.

So David, thank you, and come again.

LEONHARDT: Thank you so much, Chris.

CUOMO: All right, be well and stay healthy.

So, I say "The unvaccinated, and their enablers," why? Because a lot of the people, on the Right, who are telling you, "You don't need to take it, you know? It's safe, but, but, but, but, but," they don't even tell you if they've taken it.

And now, we know some Republicans in Congress do need to take vaccines more seriously, like, I would argue, my next guest. Why? Because he's a doctor. He's respected. He advocated early, for COVID, and taking it seriously. And I believe he needs to ascend in his party, right now. Next.









CUOMO: You notice how many House Republicans are so loud about having to wear a mask? A lot of them are the same people who won't tell you if they've been vaccinated. What do you think that's about? They won't even champion the "Trump vaccine?"

"It's up to you and your doctor." Of course, it is. But they have no problem speaking up about everything. Why aren't they more full- throated about that? Why this suggestion of resistance?

Let's discuss the new rules, and the state of play, with a House Republican, who sits on the Rules Committee, and is also a physician.

Now look, last time I had Burgess on, I've had him a couple of times on. And some of you say "Why? Why?" I'll tell you why. Because Burgess is a doctor. I respect him. I respect his service.

He was early, on the truth of "See COVID for what it is." He made multiple motions on the basis of it. He made motions to push the FDA, for a faster approval process. All right? So, don't lump everybody in together, all right?

Doctor, thank you for being back on the show.

REP. MICHAEL BURGESS (R-TX): Hey, Chris? I ask myself the same question. Why am I back on your show?

But look, it's important to get the message out there. This is a disease that has evolved significantly. It is a bad disease. The Delta variant is real. And it is hurting people.

The good news is, if you've had either the Moderna or the Pfizer Vaccine, maybe the J&J plus a booster shot, you are well-protected against serious illness and death from the Delta variant. And I think that's the message that people need to hear tonight.

The choice is yours, to be sure. I'm not a fan of mandates. I think mandates drive oppositional behavior. We certainly saw that in Texas, when the governor mandated the HPV vaccine. And yes, there were a lot of resistance to it. And, to this day, I don't think there's been the uptake that there should have been. But look, educate yourself.

And here's the other place where you and I agree. If you haven't had the vaccine, yet, go talk to your doctor. The vaccines are available in doctors' offices now. Some of the cold storage requirements have been relaxed, so your doctor can have it on board, have it available.

Call first to make sure it's available, or you can just go in to schedule the appointment, to have the discussion. And then, after the discussion, then you can decide whether or not you want to take the vaccine.

The private companies can, as a condition of employment, can certainly require the vaccine. And I respect that.

I do think it's strange that -- and this was testimony, last May, that Dr. Fauci at NIH and Dr. Marks at -- Dr. Marks at the FDA, and the Head of the CDC said only 50 percent to 60 percent of their employees were vaccinated. And that was late May.

So, that's concerning to me. And I've asked questions as to what they've done to follow up on that. I'm not getting any answers. I've had to call into the CDC, for over a week, to talk about just the very thing you talk about.

What is this breakthrough data? What is -- are people being tested for some other reason, and then found to be positive? Or are they, in fact, symptomatic, which is what leads them to testing? At this point, I cannot tell you, I don't know what the answer is there.

But I also know this. The Delta variant is bad. It can't -- serious complications do seem to be reliably prevented by taking one of the vaccines, and following the advice of your doctor.

So, I think I told you we ended last time, "Don't get your health care advice from a cable news show." Talk to your doctor.

CUOMO: Right. But look, at the same time, you know what I said the last time, which is you're an elected representative, you're a physician. You know what you're talking about. We need your voice right now. I'm not telling you to pretend you're everybody's doctor.

But look, when you have someone, like Chip Roy stand up?

And again, I've had him on the show. He's welcome on the show.

He's from your state. He's in Congress. He stands up. He goes, "What is it? Is it the mask or is it the vaccine?" You know that that is an asinine thing to say. BURGESS: Well?

CUOMO: You know that the guidance is simple.

BURGESS: No, I didn't hear -- I didn't hear his statements.

CUOMO: Well so, he stood up, and he said "Well what is it?"

BURGESS: But he is -- he is correct. And this has concerned me for some time, the spread of the virus, even before all of this started, the spread of the virus, in places like the Lower Rio Grande Valley, in El Paso, up in West Texas, it has been extremely concerning.

And is it in fact coming across the border? That, of course, was a concern of the Trump Administration.

CUOMO: Come on!

BURGESS: Why they instituted the Title 42 restrictions.

CUOMO: Right. But look, I'm saying--

BURGESS: And remain to Mexico policy (ph).

CUOMO: But look, we know it's a little bit of a boogeyman issue. We know there're cases all over the place. It doesn't have to be the migrants.


And you know that part of the protocols is that they test. But it's screwed up, just like everything else is screwed up, in our immigration system that never gets fixed. I don't see that as--

BURGESS: I've advocated that we should -- we should provide the vaccines. Now that vaccines are generally available for American citizens in our population, it's time. And you've got the single-shot J&J vaccine. I think that should be administered.

CUOMO: Look?

BURGESS: As upon entry.

CUOMO: Fine. But I'm saying you have much bigger problems than people coming through our immigration system, and--

BURGESS: Had 20,000 people last month.


BURGESS: I mean it's a big deal in Texas.

CUOMO: I understand. But you have -- you have a third of the population that hasn't taken the vaccine yet, Doctor, all right? Let's--

BURGESS: Oh, I don't think that number is correct.

CUOMO: Really?

BURGESS: Look? And here's the thing. On the mask mandate we heard from--

CUOMO: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Why don't you think that that number's correct? That's the number we're being given by the government.

BURGESS: No, look, I can't argue that point. But I've--

CUOMO: Well you just said you don't believe it.

BURGESS: And I knew that--


BURGESS: Well I don't, because in the area that I represent, with a big vaccine hub that they stood up at Texas Motor Speedway, and the county folks, FEMA was in there, the National Guard, we vaccinated a ton of people, in Denton County, Texas, a historically very vaccine- hesitant part of the world.

CUOMO: Look, that's good. But that--

BURGESS: I mean, when I was in practice, in the 1980s, people didn't take measles vaccines.

CUOMO: That -- right. But that that's -- look, that's good. It's empirical. But it doesn't let you understand whether or not the, you know, to question the overall number. Call the CDC. See what their basis for it is. We haven't had anybody else.

BURGESS: The CDC won't talk to me.

CUOMO: Well, listen?

BURGESS: I'd love to talk to the CDC. Get them on the phone.

CUOMO: I'll--

BURGESS: Let's have a discussion.

CUOMO: I'll call them right after this. And I'll see what I can do. Because I think you should be in the loop on this.

But my point about Chip was this, Roy, and I'll speak to him directly, if he'll come on the show, especially from your party, because these people listen to you, OK? They listen to you in a way that they won't listen to the media, they won't listen to people from the Democratic Party, but they'll listen to you.

And him saying, "Well, what is it? Do vaccines work or not?" We know they work.


CUOMO: The data proves they work. And him suggesting something, like that is fueling hesitancy, and we don't need it?

Will you say on this show that -- yes, on the Left, but they're already doing it. And on the Right, you don't need to balance the suggestion to get the vaccine, "Go talk to your doctor" with, "but remember, you don't have to take it."

Is it time for the people in your party to say, "Talk to your doctor. Get the vaccine if you can?"

BURGESS: Sure. But look? And I told you, at the outset of this, I'm not a big fan of mandates. I do think mandates drive oppositional behavior. I saw that, at the ground level, when Governor Perry mandated the HPV vaccine, for school girls in Texas.

CUOMO: Right. But what do you do when you have the oppositional behavior already?

BURGESS: Well this--

CUOMO: What are we supposed to do right now?

BURGESS: Look, I've told you this before. The area that I represent, and I've long understood this, from when I was in practice, there are -- there's a segment of the population that just does not, is not going to, take a vaccine. I can't make them take it.

But what I can do is vaccinate myself and my family. And guess what? They get sick? They're not going to bother me.

CUOMO: Well, but we got to take care of them because they're our brothers and sisters. And that's why we got to find a better way.

BURGESS: Yes, they are, absolutely.

CUOMO: Congressman Michael Burgess? I hope you don't really regret coming on the show that often. It's important.

BURGESS: Ah! Just a simple country doctor trying to do the Lord's work!

CUOMO: Well, listen, as we all know, what the Lord says is "The love of me is the love of truth." So, keep telling people what they need to do. And don't play into these suggestions of some of the other people in your party. It's not helping!

But I appreciate you being here. Thank you, Doctor.

BURGESS: But don't be divisive. My advice to you is, let's bring people together. Let's not divide them. We've had enough division.

CUOMO: Hey, Doctor? I want nothing more. That's why you're on my show tonight. Be well.

BURGESS: All right. Good deal! Thank you.

CUOMO: All right.

It ain't easy doing the right thing, I'll tell you that. It's not a praiseworthy job. But you know what? It matters. And I believe in that, OK? People will listen to him. And they should listen to him.

Go talk to your doctor. Don't listen to Chip Roy. Don't listen to Kevin McCarthy. I don't know why the hell that they are suggesting to you that "This is suspect and you shouldn't do it." I don't know why.

Now, a very notable admission, from Congressman Jim Jordan, you know him. Nancy Pelosi wouldn't allow him to be seated on the January 6 select committee. Should he now expect a subpoena from the panel?

The media loves subpoenas because it's like a gotcha contest. I don't really see it that way. I see it about what the best avenue is, to move the needle on January 6, and the understanding, in our society.

Congressman Adam Schiff is here to make the case, next.









CUOMO: We have some new troubling information about January 6th. Let's bring in Congressman Adam Schiff.

Good to see you sir, as always.

REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA): Good to see you.

CUOMO: Congressman Mo Brooks says he wore body armor to the January 6th rally because he was "Warned on Monday, there might be risks associated with the next few days."

Were you aware?

SCHIFF: Was I aware that he was wearing body armor?


SCHIFF: Or was I aware of the risks?


SCHIFF: Certainly, I think that we had information that there was a heightened security environment, over the last several months, beginning sometime before the election.

But, in terms of any expectation of violence, on that day, I was focused on the arguments, on House floor. I had little knowledge of what was going on, down the mall, until I noticed people were starting to look at their phones, and watching something, and I asked them "What are you watching?"

I didn't think I knew there was going to be that kind of a big rally going on. And I certainly wasn't expecting anything that happened thereinafter.

CUOMO: Relevance that he did?

SCHIFF: Well, I think it's very relevant. What information did he have? What was the source of that information? And was that information in connection with these white nationalist groups that were coming to that rally?

And if he had advance notice of it, did people in the administration, and those who were organizing the rally, what did they know, in advance of that, and why didn't they do something to stop it?

CUOMO: Subpoenas for documents routinely would be the first phase, let you develop your understanding, and then figure out what testimony you want to access it.

Is a potential exclusion to that sequencing, Jim Jordan, on the basis of what he had said about speaking to the President, on the day of January 6th?

I'll play his response for the audience, to give context.



REP. JIM JORDAN (R-OH): I spoke with him on January 6th. I mean, I talk with President Trump all the time.

TAYLOR POPIELARZ, WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, SPECTRUM NEWS: On January 6th, did you speak with him before, during, or after, the Capitol was attacked?

JORDAN: I'd have to go -- I spoke with him that day after, I think after. I don't know if I spoke with him in the morning or not. And I just don't know. I'd have to go back and -- I mean, I don't -- I don't -- I don't know that when -- when those conversations happened.


CUOMO: Why would it be worth having Jim Jordan come to testify, knowing the circus of victimization that would ensue? SCHIFF: Well, first of all, we haven't made decisions yet on witnesses, apart from the hearing that we just had. And my expectation is we'll develop an investigative plan. We'll focus on the issues that need to be addressed and the questions that have been raised.

But Jordan seems to be indicating that he talked with the President that day. And if that conversation involved what was happening on that day, or it happened on that day, that obviously could be very pertinent to our investigation.

So, I don't want to make any declaratory statements right now. It'll be up for the Chairman to make.

But certainly, what you've described, in terms of both Jordan, and my other colleague from Alabama, they both seem to be quite pertinent to what we're looking at.

CUOMO: As you know, I have a rule, I'm not going to push you to speculate on things, and get ahead of your own fact pattern and plan.

As you progress, you are always welcome back on this show, to make the case, for where things stand, and why. Congressman Adam Schiff, thank you very much, sir.

SCHIFF: Thank you.

CUOMO: All right.

So look, one of these things I laid out, I know that there's a lot of response to what I said tonight.

Look, it is a tale of two societies. You have the vaccinated, and you have the vacuous. What do you want me to tell you? I'm not trying to insult them. I want them to get vaccinated, if they can. But they're not. And people are enabling them not to. And, in this alternate universe, it's the vaccinated that are being given a hard time.

You're about to meet the owner of a restaurant, in California, who wants proof that you haven't gotten a shot, in order to be served there, and no masks allowed. Why? Next.








(END VIDEO CLIP) CUOMO: OK, you have vaccine-resistant, -skeptical, -hesitant. And then you have just "I'm not taking it."

A restaurant owner in California posted signs, calling on customers to show proof that they have not gotten the vaccine. He's also banned diners from wearing masks inside, and put up this massive billboard that says "Leave the Mask Take the Cannoli."

Of course, it has to be an Italian guy, and he's using the "Godfather." Anyway!

Tony Roman is the Owner of Basilico's Pasta E Vino, and he joins me now, from inside his restaurant.


TONY ROMAN, OWNER, BASILICO'S PASTA E VINO: Man, you said the name perfectly. You said it perfectly. Good job! Now I know you're Italian.

CUOMO: It's because I speak the language. Let me guess? You don't!

ROMAN: I love it.

CUOMO: But here's what I'm asking you. Tony?

ROMAN: I love it.

CUOMO: Is this a little bit of a joke? Can you give--

ROMAN: Good job. Fire away.

CUOMO: --can you give me some hope that you'd really don't want people--


CUOMO: --to not get vaccinated, so they can come to your restaurant?

ROMAN: That's a good -- that's a good question. You're a smart guy.

It's an IQ test. And like I say -- say to people, when they ask me, if they're so blinded with their rage and their hate, I tell them "You know what? If you just don't understand it, maybe we should put up a sign up that says "You're too stupid to come into the restaurant."

I mean, it's very simple, just like you said. I think you figured it out. Am I right?

CUOMO: I don't even know what you're saying right now. Tell me.

ROMAN: We're making a point.

CUOMO: So, what's the deal?

ROMAN: I'm saying, we're making a point.

CUOMO: And so?

ROMAN: You answered the question.

CUOMO: So, you haven't been vaccinated? Nobody in your family has been vaccinated?

ROMAN: If I answer that, are you -- you're going to answer that one I ask you?

CUOMO: Yes, sure. Ask me whatever you want. Now answer my question.

ROMAN: I'm not vaccinated. Are you?

CUOMO: I am. How about your parents, your wife, your kids?

ROMAN: You're hesitant.

CUOMO: No. I got vaccinated.

ROMAN: I'm going to ask -- I'm going to ask you the same -- I'm going to ask you the same thing. Is that all right?

CUOMO: Yes, go ahead.

ROMAN: Has your -- no. Is your family vaccinated?


ROMAN: See what you're not getting -- what you're not getting -- you're failing the IQ test. What you're not getting, which I expected, what you're not getting is that this is not -- this is not an anti- vaccine stand. It's a pro-freedom stand. That's what you're not getting.

CUOMO: What is the difference when you are ignoring the science that suggests that if you get vaccinated, you protect yourself, you protect the people around you, and you help us get out of this pandemic a little bit faster?

ROMAN: So what's next then? Are we all going to lock ourselves in our homes, whenever there's what a flu outbreak, or there's an outbreak of a cold, a common cold? Are we going to lock ourselves inside our homes and wear a moon suit?


ROMAN: I mean, where does it end?

CUOMO: It ends with you getting the vaccine, so that this virus doesn't keep replicating, and creating variants that we need to find ways to combat.

ROMAN: Really?

CUOMO: The whole reason this is happening is because people won't protect themselves, Tony. I mean, what are you thinking? ROMAN: Then why did you leave your house, when you had COVID? I mean, you had it, and you left your house. I mean, it's been documented, right?

CUOMO: First of all, it has been documented--

ROMAN: So, I want to tune into that.

CUOMO: My ass, it's been documented!

ROMAN: A stranger (ph).

CUOMO: I quarantined. I went out. My wife got accosted by somebody.

ROMAN: I don't know, man.

CUOMO: And I know you don't know, so I'm trying to help you.


CUOMO: The science is clear, Tony.

ROMAN: You're trying to help me? I'm trying to help you. The science is clear?

CUOMO: I don't want you to get sick the way I was sick.

ROMAN: Oh, you care about me all of a sudden, huh?


CUOMO: Enough to have you on the show because I don't like people making bad decisions for themselves and their family. I was hoping it was a little bit of a stunt.


CUOMO: You have the freedom not to take the vaccine.

ROMAN: Well then maybe you should ask--

CUOMO: I just don't know why you think it's a good move.

ROMAN: Maybe -- maybe we should ask your brother about protecting people, right? I mean--

CUOMO: Hey, look? That's his job. And if he doesn't do it well, people won't vote for him.

ROMAN: That's a whole -- that's a whole -- whole new can of worms.

CUOMO: But don't. Look, Tony? Look--

ROMAN: Listen?

CUOMO: --I don't know if you know me too well. ROMAN: My -- my stand is not a political stand.


CUOMO: I'm asking you about you.

ROMAN: Yes, good. I appreciate that too. Because I know you talk a lot so.

So, my -- my stance here is a pro-freedom stand only. It's not political. You'll never going to -- if you come down here, you're not going to see a Trump flag flying over the roof, OK? You're not going to see campaign's signs. You're not going to see campaign slogans or political slogans ever, OK?

You're only going to see pro-freedom messages. And that's it.

And you're not going to drag me down the hole, talking about the science. This is not about whether I'm pro-vaccine or not. I'm pro- freedom, anti-tyranny, OK? And maybe the conversation should really be between me and your brother.


ROMAN: That what I'm thinking.

CUOMO: Maybe so. You're pro-freedom, but people can't wear masks. Tony, it doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. I gave you a chance to make the case. I wish you well. I hope your family stays safe.

ROMAN: I made my case. You didn't have much to say. You didn't have much to say.

CUOMO: I mean, honestly, you sound like an idiot.


ROMAN: So, I appreciate it, thank you.

CUOMO: So, there's not much to say. But Tony, good luck with it. See you!

ROMAN: And so do you.


ROMAN: And so do you.

CUOMO: I -- only for having you on the show. That was my only mistake.

Look, it's just stupid! "I'm pro-freedom. I'm not anti -- it's not about the vaccine. It's about freedom." What the hell is he talking about? Of course, you have the freedom not to take it. The question is, is it a good move?

He doesn't know the science. He doesn't want to know the science. This is my problem with the enablers of guys like this. I hate that he's Italian American, by the way, because it plays into a stereotype.

Look, this suggestion that somehow there is a strength in the resistance to the science, to the mandate, to being told, "You don't tell me. I'll do," it just doesn't make any sense. It is such a false sense of strength. It is such a stupid ethnic stereotype masculine moronic thing to be.

You want to talk about my brother? Fine. Fine. I back away from nothing. I just can't cover it because it doesn't make any sense. You'd never believe me anyway!

But guys like this? I was hoping it was a stunt. It's not. Joke's on me! But I'll tell you what? Don't be like him.

We'll be right back.









CUOMO: The news this week should make one thing clear. I hope. Pain is pain. There is no mental or physical health. There's just health. It's why we need to be clear about what's happening in Tokyo.

The greatest gymnast we have ever seen is not healthy enough to compete, whether as a member of a team, or as an individual. That sucks for her because she was about to establish something I believe that nobody may have ever equaled, and it would have been amazing for our country.

But she's hurting. Head, heel, heart, hamstring, what difference does it make? It's all health. It's all hurt. It's all about pain, and what you can handle and still perform. She showed that even though we've seen her fly, of course she's still human. They all are.

The Olympics serve as a reflection of the moment. This one is shining a bright light on the need to deal with the reality that we all live. Body health, mind health, emotional health, it all plays the same role, deserves the same respect.

Do we say someone has a leg health or kidney health issue? Then why say mental health, like it's something separate from the body? Stigma, stigma that we all know is wrong for our own lives. You or someone you care about has a health issue involving their mind

and their emotions, like Tony, that boob I just had on the show. No medicine for that!

It's a glaring reality. And now, we can own it. And Biles has been a gift in that way. It's the torch that Naomi Osaka, the tennis player, was carrying, before she ever lit the cauldron.

It's the same point Dominique Dawes was making on this show, when sprinter Sha'Carri Richardson was left off the U.S. team. Remember this?


DOMINIQUE DAWES, U.S. OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST: These athletes are human. And you got to recognize that they are going to be affected greatly by the questions that you ask.

And it really brings light to mental issues, and not just something that someone is possibly born with, but when they're going through a tragedy in their life, and how they respond to it. And that's something that we should address.


CUOMO: Brilliant! Pain is pain. World watched every moves Biles made, up to these games, stress, pressure, anxiety, cameras waiting at the airport, arrival, in Tokyo.

But you weren't listening to her, were you, on Instagram, when she talked of feeling the, quote, "Weight of the world," on her shoulders, when she told "The New York Times," the happiest moment of her legendary career was her time off?

Yet notice who it is that's rushing to call her "A quitter," or "Selfish." Same voices on the Right that want to play on the frustration we all feel, about needing to put a mask back on, when they have done more to prolong the pandemic than anyone, and now they want to extend to stigma.

And shame on them! I guarantee you, them, and their own family, and people they love about, they suffer.

They're the same ones, who would belittle the wounds that are still carried by Capitol Police officers. "Suck it up!" They need to shut up. They want you to believe the pain of January 6th ended when the terrorists went home.

Hear the truth for yourself.


OFFICER MICHAEL FANONE, D.C. METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT: I've been left with the psychological trauma, and the emotional anxiety, of having survived such a horrific event.


And my children continue to deal with the trauma of nearly losing their dad that day.


CUOMO: Pain is pain. And let me tell you something. It is strength to admit it.

We marvel at athletes who take the field despite injury. Remember, Kirk Gibson, in the '88 World Series? Willis Reed in the 1970 NBA Finals?

Kerri Strug, remember her? You know what she did what she heard about Biles? Supported her, why? Because pain is pain.

And I'll tell you what. It's easier to work with a hurt joint or a limb than it is a hurt head and heart, where everything is telling you that you can't go on, because remember what gets you through the physical, is the emotional and the mental, mind over matter. What about when the mind's not straight?

Injuries can incapacitate. And if you're battling bad things, you're going to have bad outcomes. Mind, body, it's all connected. All the hurt, the pain, is real, and deserves respect. And that is a gift that Biles gave us that's bigger than any gold medal.

We'll be right back with the handoff.


CUOMO: Thanks for watching.

"DON LEMON TONIGHT" with its big star D. Lemon starts now.

DON LEMON, CNN HOST: How's it going sir?

CUOMO: Peachy!

LEMON: I still am flummoxed by the misinformation over the vaccine.