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Michael Jackson Surrenders; President Bush Condemns Attacks in Turkey

Aired November 20, 2003 - 19:00   ET

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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST (voice-over): The one-time King of pop booked and out on bail.

A terror bombing abroad: a British diplomat among the dozens dead.

Violence in Miami: cops at trade talks bring out the riot gear.

Predator and prey: an in-depth look at pedophilia.

And the sexiest men alive: who made the cut and who didn't.

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ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

COOPER: Good evening. Welcome to 360.

What a day it's been. We lead off tonight with some stunning images of Michael Jackson, his mug shot taken just minutes after surrendering to face charges of child molestation in Santa Barbara, California.

And this is how he arrived at jail: in handcuffs. That was the image. This is the image that is just into CNN now, Michael Jackson moments ago. This is the first time we are seeing these images.

He has arrived back in Las Vegas. That is him getting of his private jet after giving himself up to authorities in Santa Barbara.

We are also showing a live shot right now in Las Vegas, the entourage from Michael Jackson on the way from the airport. He is in the black Suburban you see on the left-hand side of your screen. Obviously they are stopped either by traffic or at some sort of a light. They will be moving from the airport outside or near Las Vegas, where they arrived just moments ago in that private jet.

We're going to continue to follow that entourage as we move through the course of this next hour. There is a lot to tell you about. We'll be reporting on Jackson from a number of angles throughout the program tonight, beginning with two reports from the scene of a media frenzy. Frank Buckley outside the jail where Jackson turned himself in, and David Mattingly at Jackson's Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara County.

First, Frank Buckley -- Frank.

FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, today, as expected, Michael Jackson turned himself in to face charges of child molestation. He also signaled that he intends to fight those allegations in court.

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BUCKLEY (voice-over): Michael Jackson returned to Santa Barbara in a private jet to surrender to authorities. But the pop star denied photographers the shot they were waiting for, of Jackson being taken into custody. His jet pulled halfway into a hangar, keeping his arrest hidden. Then a scene reminiscent of O.J. Simpson's slow-speed chase.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now they're getting closer to the sheriff's department.

BUCKLEY: The major difference: Jackson was already in custody, headed for jail, where one of the world's most famous people emerged from a car (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

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BUCKLEY: Is that the tape? Sorry about the tape there. Apparently we've got some sort of a technical problem.

We can tell you that Michael Jackson came here to the Santa Barbara County inmate reception center. He was booked, he posted $3 million bail. He was photographed. You've seen the booking photo now, and then he was released.

His next court date is set for January 9. That's when he'll be arraigned. Also as part of his bail arrangement, he had to surrender his passport -- Anderson.

COOPER: Well Frank, we are looking at a live picture right now. You cannot see it, probably. It's a live picture outside Las Vegas of Michael Jackson's entourage, some black Suburbans. They've just gotten off a plane.

I guess he took a private jet from Santa Barbara to Las Vegas, arrived just a short time ago. You see some people kind of actually just walking up to the vehicles, trying to get some photographs or some autographs of the like.

Frank, how long did the entire procedure take when he went to the Santa Barbara courthouse today?

BUCKLEY: Well, the actual booking procedure only took about 30 minutes to 45 minutes, but the anticipation, if you will, of his arrival here took quite a bit longer than that. There was a great deal of anticipation at the airport. A number of jets landing. Everyone wondering was this one the one that had Michael Jackson in it.

Finally, when the plane arrived that did have him in it, everyone thought that they'd finally see Michael Jackson. But instead, he pulled into that hangar; as you saw, the plane halfway into the hangar. We're told that that's when he was actually taken into custody inside the hangar immediately upon his arrival back here in Santa Barbara County.

COOPER: And Frank, these images we're looking at, clearly they are stopped in traffic, and the Suburban is basically being besieged by a couple of camera crews, but also just individuals who seen to want to be going up to it. There looks to be a number of security personnel dressed in black on either side of the vehicle kind of pushing some people away. I guess encouraging them not to get too close. Obviously, they are all hoping that traffic jam will clear up so they can get moving.

It's not clear at this point where Michael Jackson is headed. Prior to this incident, he had come from Las Vegas. We have been told he was there apparently shooting a music video. Highly unlikely that he will go back to shooting that music video, as a lot of his enterprises, the CBS special that was to air a week from today, I believe it was, that will not be airing.

We just lost that live picture, but we'll come back to it as soon as we can. I want to check in -- actually, let's go back to that picture if we can. I'm just told we've restored it.

We also have David Mattingly standing by outside the Neverland Ranch. David, what a day it has been.

DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Indeed, Anderson. A little bit of excitement here a little while ago, in fact. There was a Mercedes with darkened windows and a van in front and behind it moving at a high rate of speed going right into the gates. And at the time we thought it could have been Michael Jackson. But then we get the pictures of Michael Jackson in Las Vegas.

So the question of where is Michael Jackson being answered at least for now. But what next for Michael Jackson, however, is still very much up in the air.

COOPER: It certainly does seem to be that. And right now, again, we're just looking at a tighter image. We see about two camera crews zooming in. It looks like the traffic is moving a little bit.

David, legally, what does happen next for Michael Jackson?

MATTINGLY: Well, next he has an arraignment. He has a preliminary hearing. And then could be months -- we could be waiting month for discovery to be taken by the defense attorneys and by the prosecutors. There's a lot of work to do on this yet before he ever gets in front of a jury.

COOPER: We also have Frank Buckley standing by. Frank, Mark Geragos, a very high-powered attorney representing Michael Jackson, spoke a little bit today. What did he say that really stood out to you?

MATTINGLY: Well, I think he did what any attorney in a high- profile case like this will do. He's doing his best to get out in front of the allegations, doing his best to say, Michael Jackson is going to fight this vigorously.

He called it -- he specifically quoted Michael Jackson in saying that Michael Jackson considers this a big lie. That's also the information that came from Michael Jackson's spokesman in describing Michael Jackson's reaction to all of this. In fact, Michael is quoted as saying in a statement that "Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons. The truth will win this marathon in court."

That's Michael Jackson being quoted by Stuart Backerman, his spokesman. So similar words being used that this is a lie, that these allegations are lies. That is sort of what stood out for me.

COOPER: It has certainly been quite a dramatic day not only for Michael Jackson but for much of the world's media who have been following this thing extraordinarily closely. We're going to continue to follow it throughout the evening. David Mattingly and Frank Buckley, we'll check back in with you shortly.

Here's a bit more of that statement that Frank Buckley was talking about issued on behalf of Michael Jackson. And I quote -- we're going to put it on the screen -- "The big lie is against Michael Jackson is anchored in the most vicious allegation imaginable, one that resonates across every culture: the spectacle of harming a child. That spectacle invites outrage, and it should, but this spectacle is rooted in a lie."

Now there are many other important stories to tell you about tonight.

In London, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Bush stand side by side condemning the attacks, vowing the attacks that happened earlier in the day in Turkey against two double explosions against British targets. They have vowed that they, regardless of this attack or any others that may come, they will stay the course in Iraq and elsewhere against the war on terror.

CNN's White House correspondent John King has that story.

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JOHN KING, CNN SR. WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Istanbul attack added urgency to the talks at 10 Downing Street and brought fresh commitments to press ahead in the war on terror.

PRIME MINISTER TONY BLAIR, GREAT BRITAIN: We are not going to back down or flinch at all from this struggle.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Today, once again, we saw their ambitions of murder.

KING: Both governments suggested al Qaeda and its allies are again to blame, and both leaders say a thriving democracy in Iraq would be a powerful deterrent to terrorism.

BUSH: The spread of freedom and the hope it brings is the surest way in the long term to combat despair and anger and resentment that feeds terror.

KING: That the British were targeted by terrorists while the president was in London was viewed as no coincidence. Mr. Blair bristled when asked if it was the price for standing firm with Mr. Bush.

BLAIR: It's not the president of the United States. It's not the alliance between America and Britain. What is responsible for that terrorist attack is terrorism, are the terrorists.

KING: And Britain's foreign secretary cited the September 11 attacks, taking issue with those who suggest the war in Iraq and, more specifically, Mr. Bush, are provoking the terrorists.

JACK STRAW, BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY: It was planned under the presidency of Bill Clinton even if it were executed under the presidency of George W. Bush.

KING: Protesters took to the streets of London by the tens of thousands, and many made clear they do blame Mr. Bush for inciting terror and would prefer he meet the same fate as Saddam Hussein.

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COOPER: And John King joins us now. John, obviously those dramatic images, that effigy of President Bush being pulled down. Protests organizers are claiming as many as 150,000 people turned up to protest against the president. How is the president responding to these demonstrations?

KING: Well Anderson, police giving us an official estimate of about 110,000 as well. So large demonstrations, by far the largest of the president's visit.

Mr. Bush shrugging it off, trying to put a positive light on it, saying it is proof of the thriving democracy here saying, even saying they now can protest in Baghdad. Of course, though, what the administration worries about -- and we should say, President Bush did see a small bit of the protest as he drove through London -- what the administration worries about is the effect of those pictures back home.

Mr. Bush hoping this trip proves that he has a key ally in the war on terrorism heading into a reelection campaign. What the White House hopes does not happen is that these pictures convince the American people to be even more skeptical of the president's efforts in Iraq -- Anderson.

COOPER: All right. John King, thanks very much.

Now, John's piece mentioned the deadly bombings of British targets in Turkey today. At least 27 people were killed, hundreds wounded by double explosions, as we mentioned just a short while ago, in Istanbul's financial district.

CNN's Chris Burns filed this report.

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CHRIS BURNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Witnesses said they thought it was another Istanbul earthquake. And then they saw the body parts. The limbs, the bits of flesh, strewn far from the blast sites.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I was in front of a bar and suddenly we heard a huge explosion. We didn't understand what was going on. All we could see was blood, glass and wreckage.

BURNS: The late morning bombs went off just minutes and slightly more than two miles apart, apparently aiming for the maximum casualties in this bustling port city and financial capital. The targets, the British Consulate and the world's second largest bank based in London. Among the dead, the British console general. An obvious strike at Turkey's close ties with the West, as well as against a country deeply involved in the U.S.-led war on terror.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let us also be clear that these attacks are attacks on the whole humanity. Yes, today this was a direct attack on the British post here in Istanbul and a British-based very large (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Last week, here in Istanbul, it was synagogues, but many Muslims were killed. Tomorrow who knows, because these are people who are full of hatred. They are fanatics.

BURNS: Turkish officials say they believe the attacks were linked to Saturday's dual bombings of two synagogues. Attacks that officials say involved two Turkish suicide drivers who spent time in Afghanistan. Prime Minister Erdogan has sought to maintain close relations with the West, despite coming to power last year, leading a party with Muslim fundamentalist roots. By striking at Turkey's financial heart, the attack appeared not only aimed at destabilizing the government, but also Turkey's already tenuous economic recovery.

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BURNS: And tonight, the U.S. and British governments are telling their citizens to proceed with caution here in Istanbul. And the U.S. embassy is even saying there could be more terrorist attacks here. They are telling the U.S. nationals to be very careful and to try to avoid Western-oriented businesses and religious institutions -- Anderson.

COOPER: Ominous words. Chris Burns in Istanbul. Thanks very much, Chris.

Well, back here at home, not everyone was watching Michael Jackson coverage today. There was other news as well. Let's take a look "Cross Country."

La Hambra, California: Spector arraigned. Phil Spector, legendary music producer, was charged with murder in the shooting death of Lana Clarkson (ph) -- this woman right here -- at his mansion back in February. He denies killing the movie actress, suggesting in a magazine interview that she may have killed herself.

Virginia Beach, Virginia: life or death. That's what the jury will begin deliberating tomorrow in the penalty phase of the trial of convicted sniper John Muhammad.

And Washington, D.C.: why women make less, at least according to Congress. A congressional study says women receive less salary than men partly because they generally work fewer hours and are likely to leave the labor force for longer periods. In 2000, women on average earned about 20 percent less than men. The pay gap has pretty much stayed the same over the past 20 years.

And that is a look at stories "Cross Country" tonight.

Chaotic clashes with police on the streets of Miami. Find out why free trade talks are causing violent protests.

And the case against Michael Jackson. He has high-powered attorneys, but will that be enough? We're going to talk with 360 legal analyst Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom and Court TV anchor Lisa Bloom about the battles ahead.

First, let's take a look, however, "Inside the Box" at the top stories on tonight's network newscasts.

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COOPER: Dramatic images from Miami today. Police and protesters trading blows all day. Thousands of demonstrators literally up in arms over trade expansion talks that they believe could lead to fewer American jobs.

Susan Candiotti was in the thick of it.

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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Intelligence predicted trouble on the fourth day, and it was right on the money. Protesters who authorities say did not have required permits, mixing it up with police. At one point, they used hooks trying to tear down an eight-foot high fence erected near the hotel where trade ministers are meeting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They threw an explosive device at the officers, as well as gas. They actually poured gas against the officers.

CANDIOTTI: Self-described anarchists quiet earlier in the week, protesting a free trade agreement. The shoving matches and so far a limited use of tear gas not coming close to riots that rocked similar trade summits in Seattle, Canada and Mexico.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Knuckleheads being knuckleheads. They can't help themselves. CANDIOTTI (on camera): Now, Chief, should you be calling them knuckleheads?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, what else would I call them? They are not legitimate protesters.

CANDIOTTI (voice-over): Unions led by the AFL-CIO were able to stage a peaceful protest, arguing free trade zones hurt workers worldwide. Yet their message somewhat lost among these images.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a lot of sort of trigger happiness, I think, among the police here. But even that having been said, I think they've restrained themselves pretty well, although not entirely.

CANDIOTTI: Ministers posing for a class photo so far untouched by the mayhem a few blocks away. More than 40 arrests this day, bracing for more trouble after dark.

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CANDIOTTI: However, police say they hope the worst is over with word this night that a trade agreement has been reached, at least a good framework for it, they are saying. And so this summit is winding up a day earlier than expected. This creating the world's largest free trade block in North, South and Central America, and consumers should start feeling the effects of it some time after that, much to the chagrin of protesters who have tried in vain to scuttle it -- Anderson.

COOPER: All right. Susan Candiotti, stay out of the thick of it. Thanks very much, Susan.

Flashback for you now. As Susan mentioned, Seattle was the scene of another large, loud, anti-globalization demonstration. Remember these images? 1999, 50,000 protesters crammed into downtown Seattle, shut down meetings of the World Trade Organization.

Overwhelmed police fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd. There were some 600 arrests and $3 million in property damage.

That's the flashback for you.

Quickly, we want to take you overseas for a couple of stories we're following right now. Here's the "UpLink."

Iraq: a new search. A team of former CIA analysts is now going through volumes and volumes of raw pre-war intelligence data to see if there were any missed clues about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

On a lighter note, Beaujolais, France: popping the cork. There was icy wind in the spring, then record heat in the summer. But the bad weather is said to have actually brought out some of this town's best wine in years. And they all seem to be celebrating.

I think they've had a couple of glasses. You can call it Mother Nature's version of tough love. London, England: the Banger Racing Championships. I've never heard of this thing, but it's all bang and crash. And that's what the people come for, apparently.

Forty-three cars, 25 laps later, it is one big crash site. A winner is announced. In this case, a guy named Dave Vincent (ph), just in case you were wondering or have placed a bet.

And that is tonight's "UpLink."

The crime is unthinkable, coming up, but not to pedophiles. What drives people to molest children? We'll look at that with Dr. Sanjay Gupta, who joins us live.

And a little later, Michael Jackson gives himself up to police. Hear what Jermaine Jackson, his brother, had to say about his brother's troubles.

And what do you think? Today's "Buzz": can Michael Jackson get a fair trial? Vote now: cnn.com/360. Results at the end of the program.

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COOPER: And welcome back to 360.

Just a few moments ago, we showed you video of Michael Jackson landing in Las Vegas. He is now en route to a destination unknown, frankly, but his Lincoln Navigator is moving quickly. It had been stopped in a traffic jam just a short while ago.

At the time it was stopped, besieged by about two news cameras and a number of people who just seemed to want to get close, and security officials and black-suited men got out and stood on either side of the vehicle, keeping people away. Clearly, the traffic has cleared up. He is moving swiftly down the highway, destination unknown.

In the past, of course, Michael Jackson is well known to have stayed in various Las Vegas hotels, has lived in hotels for long periods of time in Las Vegas. He had been in Vegas prior to these charges for which he had to appear today. It's not clear how long he'll be staying in Vegas. But we'll be continuing to follow this over the next several minutes.

Now, the allegations against Michael Jackson. And we have to stress the word "allegations," because they are that at this point. They have brought the puzzle of pedophilia into the spotlight this week.

Now, to a doctor, pedophilia is a clinical condition, one that has proven very resistant to any easy remedies. Dr. Sanjay Gupta reports.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): An adult attracted to older children or teenagers is a febaphile. That's sometimes confused with an adult who's attracted to prepubescent children, called a pedophile. Many use the term interchangeably. But the line between either of these and child molestation can be confusing.

The pedophile may or may not act on fantasies, but once he acts, he becomes a child molester and a criminal. Most psychologists don't fully understand what causes pedophilia, but they do know that there's not really a cure, even if there are effective treatments. Some think of pedophilia on the spectrum of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and treat it with medications, like antidepressants. Studies show strong hormones may be used and work up to 80 percent of the time.

To be clear, the American Psychiatric Association uses the following criteria to define chronicle pedophilia: First, over a period of at least six months, a person has recurrent, intense sexually-arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors involving sexual activity with a child age 13 or younger.

Second, the fantasies' sexual urges cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning.

Third, the person is at least 16 years old or at least five years older than the child or children they fantasize or have sex with.

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GUPTA: And Anderson, one of the things that's sort of most striking, the Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Thinking of this along that spectrum really puts this into the realm of possibly a biological disorder -- Anderson.

COOPER: Well, yes. I mean -- and I guess the bottom line is doctors really don't know at this point whether it is biological or whether anyone can suffer from it.

GUPTA: Yes. And really, when you think about a lot of these sort of disorders, there's a biological component to it. Oftentimes, there's also a psychosocial component to it. A lot of these children -- one of the psychiatrists pointing out to me a lot of these children, a significant percentage, actually being abused, molested in some way themselves as children, and possibly having that recurrent behavioral pattern as adults.

But if there's a biological component to it that can be treatable, possibly with antidepressants. Also, possibly with medication known as strong hormones, like Deprovera (ph) or Lupron (ph), possibly treating these types of disorders as well.

COOPER: Yes. Stress the word "possibly" there. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, thanks very much tonight.

GUPTA: Thank you. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER (voice-over): Michael Jackson and his legal battles ahead.

And the sexiest men alive. Who made the cut and who didn't?

We'll be right back.

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COOPER: Let's check some of our top stories tonight in "The Reset." London, England, united in grief and determination. President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair condemned today's double bombings in Turkey and vowed to defeat terror. The attacks in Istanbul targeted the British consulate and a British based bank, killing at least 27 people and wounding more than 450 others.

Worceter, Massachusetts, not guilty plea came from a Guantanamo Bay translator in federal court today. This man is accused of having secret documents from the prison when he was arrested at Boston Logan International Airport in September. He had just gotten off a flight from Egypt.

Arlington National Cemetary, World War Ii MIA's found and buried. The 7 Navy crew members of a U.S. bomber, similar to this one right here, crashed in eastern Russia on a mission in World War II. They were supposed to hit Japanese targets when they went missing in foul weather.

Russian authorities found the wreckage in 1962, but didn't share the information until just three years ago when steps were taken to recover the bodies, and they have been.

Cincinnati, Ohio, no contest, that's the plea from the Catholic Archdiocese of Cincinnati on charges of failing to take actions against priests accused of sexual abuse. Now faces a $10,000 fine.

And that is tonight's "Reset."

Well, as the world looked on, Michael Jackson, the fizzled king of pop, surrendered to authorities in Santa Barbara, California. The charges: child molestation. He was booked, photographed -- there it is -- and fingerprinted.

The 45-year-old entertainer was led inside the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department in handcuffs. He was released after posting $3 million bail. His attorney, Mark Geragos spoke on Jackson's behalf and protested his innocence.

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MARK GERAGOS, JACKSON'S ATTORNEY: He's come back specifically to confront these charges head on. He is greatly outraged by the bringing of these charges. He considers this to be a big lie. He understands the people who are outraged, because if these charges were true, I assure you Michael would be the first to be outraged.

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COOPER: As one can imagine, this has been a difficult ordeal for the Jackson family. Michael's older brother, Jermaine Jackson, says he is outraged by the charges as well as by the media. Earlier he spoke exclusively to CNN.

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JERMAINE JACKSON, BROTHER OF MICHAEL JACKSON: Well, first of all, I'd like to say, the whole family supports Michael 100 percent, 1000 percent. Michael is innocent. And just to let you know how I feel, I'm very disappointed in the system in which things were done. At the same time, Michael is in very strong spirits, because he is innocent.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: What has he -- what has he told you?

JACKSON: We are tired of people -- I'm sick and F-ing tired of people speaking on my brother's behalf, on my family's behalf who do not know us. So you put these people on national TV, on international TV. And they say these things. And the public is saying, oh, wow, is he really like this?

My brother is not eccentric. We had an incredible, wonderful childhood. And what they're doing is bringing him down with the very thing that he loves, his children and family. My brother is about peace. They don't know us. But this will reveal itself, but I am sick and (EXPLETIVE DELETED) tired of everybody saying these things about my family.

And we will fight. And we will stand up. And everybody that knows this family around the world will support us, because, at the end of the day, this is nothing but a modern-day lynching. This is what they want to see, him in handcuffs. You got it. But it won't be for long, I promise you.

PHILLIPS: Jermaine, I...

JACKSON: I'm sick and tired.

PHILLIPS: And, believe me, I -- I -- I mean...

JACKSON: Sick and tired of it.

PHILLIPS: I have no idea what you are going through. I am definitely not in your shoes.

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JACKSON: You do not know, because you don't walk in my shoes or my family's shoes.

PHILLIPS: No, you are right. You are right. You are absolutely right.

JACKSON: You don't walk in our shoes.

But you put these people on national television to say things. They don't know our family.

PHILLIPS: And that's why we have you.

JACKSON: We are a family. And we will continue to be a family. That's my love right there. And we support him 1,000 percent. I have nothing else to say.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

COOPER: That was Jermaine Jackson talking earlier to CNN. Now, you get a somewhat different perspective from his former brother-in- law. Jack Gordon was married to Michael's sister LaToya Jackson. He joins us now live from Springfield, Illinois, with his reaction. Jack, thanks very much for being with us. Do you believe Michael Jackson is a pedophile?

JACK GORDON, FRM. BROTHER-IN-LAW OF MICHAEL JACKSON: I do. I do. Absolutely.

COOPER: You say that based on what? Any evidence?

GORDON: I spent a great deal of time at the Havenhurst House and I saw little boys constantly going through the house. I never saw little girls. And I...

COOPER: If you believe this, why didn't you speak up, do something at the time?

GORDON: Well, I was just a guest at their house. I really had nothing to do with Michael or what he did.

COOPER: Did you ever see Michael touch a child in any inappropriate way?

GORDON: No. I never saw Michael touch a child, hurt a child or fondle a child, no, no.

COOPER: So you still say you think he's a pedophile?

GORDON: Oh, absolutely. Not even a question.

COOPER: I guess I don't understand quite on what you base that?

GORDON: Well, first of all you have to understand that I was there. I was Michael's brother-in-law. I stayed at that house often and I stayed there more than a couple of years. I saw and witnessed a lot of small little boys. I never saw a little girl. I used to ask the question, why are there all little boys here and no little girls? I never got an answer. I would ask LaToya, I would ask Janet, Michael, Joseph, Kathryn and nobody ever responded to that question. COOPER: Let me ask you Jack, in 1993, your then wife LaToya Jackson said, "I cannot and will not be a silent collaborator of his crimes against small innocent children. I think Michael needs help." Basically she saying what you are saying now. She has since backed off that, I think recently on Larry King, she said that it was basically your fault. She blamed it on management that she was being controlled to say those things. Why do you think she has backed off?

GORDON: Well, LaToya, let me make a response. LaToya has to forget about me and kind of put me in the background and go on with her life. I never told LaToya to say anything at all. In fact, LaToya, if I recall, I watched Larry King too and said I had written down that entire speech. If I had written down that entire speech it would be as big as this television studio.

COOPER: Why do you think she's backed off these allegations why she once made?

GORDON: Well, I think Michael is supporting her. I feel very strongly Michael supports her.

COOPER: Is that the case you think ith with other family members as well?

GORDON: I think every single one of them. The only monies coming into that family are through Michael Jackson. The rest of them certainly aren't earning anything at all.

COOPER: So, you are saying you think Michael Jackson is paying his family members and you believe that is why they are supportive of him?

GORDON: I believe that Michael supports the entire family, Jackson family, including the mother, the father, the brothers and the sister, other than Janet.

COOPER: I just want to jump in. We are looking at live pictures right now of Michael Jackson's Lincoln Navigator as it is stuck in traffic heading towards somewhere in Las Vegas. I imagine some hotel where he is staying at. Describe if you will the inner circle that this man lives in, or lived in at the time you were associated with the family. The people he has around him, is he in control of things?

GORDON: Michael used to be. When I knew him, very much in control. Nothing ever happened to Michael Jackson unless Michael Jackson had absolute control over everything that was going on. And that means everything.

COOPER: Jack Gordon, appreciate you joining us tonight, adding your perspective.

GORDON: That's right. Thank you very much.

COOPER: I want to turn to justice served. The troubles for Michael Jackson are many: financial, personal and certainly the most significant right now, legal. Here's more from Michael Jackson's attorney, Mark Geragos, who spoke out after Jackson surrendered to the authorities.

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GERAGOS: I'm here to tell you today, and Michael has given me the authority to say on his behalf, these charges are categorically untrue. He looks forward to getting into a courtroom as opposed to any other forum, and confronting these accusations head-on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: His arraignment date is scheduled for January 9. There will be a lot of legal maneuvering before then. Joining us is Court TV anchor Lisa Bloom and 360 legal analyst Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom.

Kimberly, I want to begin with you. The charges were not actually filed today.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE NEWSOM, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, this is slightly unusual. What we had done today is basically Michael Jackson was cited and released. He posted bond today for the $3 million bail. The D.A.s office, just moments ago, released this press release stating no charges will be filed until Thanksgiving. So, that's slightly unusual.

COOPER: But he would have been informed of the charges against him today.

NEWSOM: Correct. They would have that on the booking form when he was cited saying it would be penal code section 288 subsection A, this particular crime that he has been accused of.

COOPER: All right, Lisa, Jackson was cited under California prohibits lewd and lascivious acts.

What does that tell you about the case?

LISA BLOOM, COURT TV ANCHOR: Fascinating to me, because prosecutors had a range of choices in charging him. They chose a statute that's broad, that basicly includes all sexual activity with a minor under the age of 14, but not forcible sexual conduct. Unlike Kobe Bryant, for example, who is accused of forcible rape, Michael Jackson, is accused of lewd and lascivious acts, but not the use of force. That parallels the 1993 allegation against him. And that affidavit which has been made public, the minor accused him of seducing him, but not using force, not using a weapon.

COOPER: As we know, Kimberly, that 1993 allegation was settled out of court. Michael Jackson denied all the charges. No charges were in fact ever brought. Jackson denied the allegations. But the laws have changed now.

NEWSOM: Yes. The laws have changed. Now there are certain evidentiary tools available to the prosecution, if a victim is not cooperative. In 1995 we saw a legislative change that allows hearsay statements to come in as evidence. But in this is it is markedly different because we have a victim that is cooperative, is willing to testify in this case. I think that is why the D.A. went forward with the charges at this time.

COOPER: When this does get to trial and it's going to get to trial. I mean, the D.A. said there's not going to be a settlement this thing. All these videos of Michael Jackson with children, even though documentary in which he talked about and we met in that documentary one of the young men who he says was sleeping in his bed.

Is that all going to be brought into evidence?

BLOOM: Absolutely. Any statements Michael Jackson made about sleeping with children, about time spent with children, especially alone in his bed can be used against him at trial. Outtakes of those videos, videos he made and kept. All of that is discoverable. And I suspect that may be part of what the police were looking for when they raided his ranch a couple of days ago.

COOPER: Kimberly, what happens -- and I am not sure anyone really knows the answer to this at this point, what happens to Michael Jackson's children in all of this?

NEWSOM: Well, we can assume for now the children will be staying with Michael Jackson under his care and custody. Keep in mind that Michael Jackson has been accused here. He's innocent until proven guilty. And I think the strong statement that Mark Geragos made today hit the note perfectly, which I have to say was markedly different from the press conference that the D.A.'s office had, that was a lot of levity and laughter for something that is actually a very serious charge. If he is convicted of this he'd have to register as a sex offender, and you are looking at a lot of time in jail. So it will be interesting to see how this develops.

COOPER: Lisa, would anyone else in these circumstances still have their kids still staying with them?

BLOOM: Absolutely. And think it's appalling...

COOPER: That would have their children...

BLOOM: The children would be taken away immediately, at least temporarily. Now he would have a chance to have a hearing immediately and have an opportunity to get his kids back. But three children in the custody and control of someone accused of child molestation of a minor under the age of 14, absolutely under ordinary circumstances those kids would be immediately removed from the home.

COOPER: And as we look just a bizarre scene happening. I mean, frankly, this is a scene we've seen before in other instances. This is a Lincoln Navigator, Michael Jackson is inside it. He's landed in Las Vegas. They are stuck in traffic. And you have just people coming up top the car. The window opens a little bit. There you see it.

BLOOM: And this is the celebrity worship factor the prosecutors have to contend with. There are millions of people who would sleep over night on a cold sidewalk just to catch a glimpse of Michael Jackson going by. COOPER: Now, earlier we saw these images. Basicly we saw security personnel in black suits trying to keep people away from the car. This thing is clearly moving beyond the control of some people right there. Everyone, people just getting out of their cars, swarming this vehicle. There you see some security...

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COOPER: Go ahead Kimberly.

NEWSOM: It is a media circus. I just came off of Modesto, the Peterson case. Before that I was in Eagle for Kobe and there are twice as many media vehicles and satellite trucks here. It's unbelievable and I think this is just the beginning of what is really going to be a crazy frenetic case.

COOPER: Yes, one can only imagine how long this is going to go on for. Now, you see the vehicle moving away. You did see some security guards, obviously Michael Jackson's security coming, getting people away. The vehicle is now moving. Not really known where Jackson is going to be staying in Las Vegas. If you saw that Martin Bashir documentary of him. You saw him in hotels in Las Vegas where he seems to sort of be camped out for long periods of time. He was in Las Vegas prior to this incident. Legally he can stay there until at least January 9th when he reappears?

BLOOM: Well, the bail he posted today allows him apparently to leave apparently to leave the state of California and go to the state of Nevada, which he did immediately afterwards. Apparently there's been an agreement that allows him to do that, as he returns for the arraignment in January. Apparently that would be acceptable to prosecutors.

COOPER: Kimberly, as we watch these images, we are just going to continue watching them, you know, Mark Geragos certainly has a lot on his plate. I mean, to say the least he's been representing Scott Peterson all along.

How is it possible you think for him to do all this?

NEWSOM: Well, I've known Mark for many years now, nine years in total. He's ran excellent lawyer. He did an amazing job in the courtroom on the Peterson case. I think that family is happy with his performance. And sources close to the defense tell me they are not upset about the fact he's taken on the representation of Michael Jackson. In this case I expect he's got a full staff and a lot of resources. He wouldn't take it on if he wasn't able to handle it.

COOPER: Lisa, it's just incredible to think of him on two of the most important court cases, this year at least.

BLOOM: I disagree with the adoration of Mark Geragos. Two words, Winona Ryder, he lost that case. She was convicted of shoplifting. A very beloved public figure. He got a lot of continuances in that case and ultimately was unsuccessful. He said there were going to be receipts produced, they never were. Susan McDougal a former client of Mark Geragos is incarcerated for many months. Gary Condit, another client of his never charged, maybe that's a victory. And now he's defending Scott Peterson who was just bond over to trial. So, I am not seeing enormous victories in the court room that Mark Geragos has succeed in. He is a high profile attorney in a sense he is associated with celebrities like Winona Ryder, and now like Michael Jackson. I think it remains to be seen what kind of performance he's going to do in this case.

COOPER: Kimberly.

NEWSOM: Well, Anderson, keep in mind that the Winona Ryder Trial, she was on videotape stuffing everything into her coat and into her garments. So I don't know how much he could have done with that. What I do know, even though she was convicted of two felonies, he argued successfully to keep his client out of custody, which is a plus. No charges on the Gary Condit case, that again was a big deal. He represented him. Susan McDougal is pleased with his representation. I've had cases against him, so I can speak well to his ability as a lawyer and in terms of...

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COOPER: Kimberly, let me talk to you as a prosecutor, what do prosecutors set about doing today? I mean, you say they aren't going to be filing these charges until after Thanksgiving, but they have a lot of work ahead of them.

What are they targeting in the next couple of weeks, months, days?

NEWSOM: Well, these are tough cases to prove and win. This is going to come on down to a one on one. They are going to have to develop their facts and case and in fact find corroborating information to substantiate this boy's statement and his allegations against Michael Jackson. That's why you saw the extensive search warrants being executed at the residents when Michael Jackson wasn't there. They are going to be looking for paraphernalia or other entertainment information, et cetera, videos, anything he has in his possession that would show an inappropriate interest toward children. Any pornographic material. And all of that could come into play. They'll have to prove the issue of intent. The intent to cause sexual arousal or gratification of the minor or the adult, in this case, Michael Jackson. These very tough cases and they are serious charges.

COOPER: Lisa Bloom, defense attorneys, I mean, Mark Geragos, what advise do you think he is giving to his client. This is a client unlike any other. A level of celebrity, that dwarfs just about anything we can sort of imagine and a lifestyle which is fair to describe as odd living in hotels.

BLOOM: Adamant. I'd go so far as to call Michael Jackson the most famous man in the world. If you travel worldwide, everyone knows Michael Jackson. And there's a level of adoration for him that's unprecedented. I'm sure Mark Geragos is telling Michael Jackson to do what he did today, to lay low. The entire scene today was manipulated so the press could not really get a good look at Michael Jackson. And you got to wonder why. We call know what Michael Jackson looks like. The mug shot was made public. And everyone knew it would be.

Why was he hiding from the cameras? Why did the plane sneak into the hangar and Michael Jackson out into the shadows. This is not John Q. Public whose face is made public for the first time in connection with some allegations. We all know what Michael Jackson looks like. So, I wonder why he was hiding today.

COOPER: Well, there we saw a little hand...

NEWSOM: No, Anderson, I don't think he got special treatment at all.

COOPER: Just so we know what we're looking at. We are looking -- if you are just joining us, Michael Jackson's Lincoln Navigator stuck in traffic. We saw a little hand out there flashing a "V" for victory or peace. We are not quite sure what it was. But people, as they have been now for several minutes, any time this vehicle is stopped, people coming up to the vehicle. Surrounding it, trying to touch him. It is a spectacle no matter how you do it.

BLOOM: It shows how loved he is. And it shows why parents would send their children to Neverland to spend the night with Michael Jackson. Many people ask, how can parents do that because there's a level of worship of Michael Jackson that's unlike anything else that most of us understand. People will run out to the car to get close to the car to touch the car because it's Michael Jackson's car. That's the real issue that prosecutors are going to have to confront in this is the level of public worship for this figure.

COOPER: Kimberly.

NEWSOM: Lisa's right about that. The biggest challenge in this case is going to be jury selection. Where can you take this case where anyone isn't going to have this hero worship of Michael Jackson? And the D.A. will have to overcome that public image and belief of Michael Jackson as being this humanitarian, a great lover of children, someone who cares deeply about children and has done charitable things on behalf of children. Compared to the image that the DA has portrayed, as this child predator, someone who uses children for his own gratification.

And that is a big jump, and they are going to have to combat that in trying to get a juror to come forward to say they don't have a preconceived notion about the case or an opinion one way or the other about Michael Jackson.

COOPER: Just to play devil's advocate here, though, Kimberly, the defense also has a battle against them. The images of Michael Jackson dangling a small child over a balcony seared the mind's eye of many jurors out there. I think it probably cuts both ways, no?

NEWSOM: No, it does. That's going to be the problem. People are going to have firm opinions about this. They're either going to love him and believe this couldn't be true or your going to say, hey, I watched those Martin Bashir videos, et cetera, and the specials where Michael was saying it's a beautiful thing to be in bed with a young child.

So, people are going to try to make sense of that and it's going to be literally next to impossible to get a jury that doesn't have an opinion one way or another.

COOPER: As we continue watching this strange image of this Lincoln Navigator winding its way to some destination in the city of Las Vegas, Lisa, I can only wonder, what are his days going to be fills with from here until January 9 court date? I mean, everywhere he goes, I can guarantee you we won't continue this level of coverage past today.

BLOOM: You're not going to keep following his Navigator wherever it goes?

COOPER: Some may, not on this program. This, I think, is it for us tonight. But, of all the days for us to do it, I think this is the day to do it. We'll probably give it up. But people are going to be watching him and watching him with a different eye. Any movement toward a child, anything is going to be interpreted differently.

BLOOM: Well, I tease you, but we followed it all day on Court TV, too, as well, Anderson, as did everyone else. It is riveting. It is fascinating. But like Kobe Bryant, I'm sure that Michael Jackson will try to go back to his normal life as an entertainer, as someone who records videos who records music, who is out there doing specials like Kobe Bryant is back in the basketball court.

Of course his attorney will be making statements. He will have to show up and appear for his court dates. But he'll try to go on with business as usual.

COOPER: Again, we're not sure where this vehicle is headed. I'm not sure what hotel or residence Michael Jackson is headed toward. We had read on the wires, I guess he was in Las Vegas last Saturday and Celine Dion, there was a program, her show was playing. They actually delayed her show an hour so that Michael Jackson could come attend the program. I guess people in the audience were upset until they realized it was Michael Jackson. He was introduced

BLOOM: And that's his typical life. And when you read accounts of children who spend time with Michael Jackson, he gets Disneyland kept open for extra hours just for him and his child guests. That's the life of a child with Michael Jackson. That explains why so many children are drawn to him, why parents allow their kids to spend so much time with him.

COOPER: Kimberly, I talk to, yesterday, someone who was once in Michael Jackson's inner circle and, who said, that the D.A. in particular, to those in the Jackson camp, this D.A. is viewed, well, that they believe that this D.A. has been targeting Michael Jackson for a very long time. How tough a job does the D.A. have?

NEWSOM: 10 years.

COOPER: Kimberly, can you hear me? NEWSOM: Yes, I can. He's been going after him basically for 10 years, keeping this investigation open, seeing if anyone else would come forward. And one of the interesting things at his press conference was he encouraged other people, anyone else that potentially had been victimized to come forward. It begs the question, is he going to try to proceed by way of grand jury, try and build a bigger case?

And why didn't he have the charges ready to go today. There really is no need, if he knows what kind of case he has, to put it off until after Thanksgiving, usually that's done right away. So, nothing in this case has made complete sense. Or been done by the books. And I don't think he got special treatment either.

BLOOM: I wouldn't think he's been going after him for 10 years.

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BLOOM: In 1994 there was a settlement and the victim at that time, the alleged victim, decided not to pursue criminal charges and so the D.A. had little alternative, but to leave the case open. But the D.A. could have pursued witness bribery investigation against Michael Jackson, if, in fact, Michael Jackson paid money by way of a civil settlement for that child not to pursue criminal charges. He never pursued that and he said, the case has been dormant for the last 10 years.

COOPER: We're going to leave it there. Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom, 360 legal analyst. And Court TV's Lisa Bloom, thanks very much.

We still have a lot ahead. We spent a lot of this time program on one pop star's drama. Now we want to check on the lighter pop culture news in tonight's "Current." Let's take a look.

No graphic, hey, let's just go for it anyway.

Mel Gibson's people are mad at the "New York Post." On Gibson's behalf, according to "Variety" the "Post" somehow obtained an unauthorized copy of Gibson's movie based on the Biblical account of Jesus' life and wrote about it without permission. Gibson's attorneys are handling the matter and it's not clear whether they'll sue the paper or simply turn into a pillar of salt.

The USA Network is developing a "Scarface" miniseries based on the 1983 movie. Some industry insiders expressed concern that if the film portrays Scarface in a negative light it could actually airing on "Showtime" instead.

KFC says it is ending a controversial add campaign, portraying KFC chicken as a healthy meal. The ads have been criticized for portraying KFC chicken as healthy healthy. The ads were also considered funny by some, for portraying KFC chicken as a healthy meal

Comedian Yakov Smirnov, and I use that term lightly, is getting a new venue in Branson, the entertainment capital of southwestern Missouri. The new Yakov Smirnov theater will hold 2,200 people, at least until they manage to escape.

Coming up next, the last word On Michael Jackson, not only the characters involved but this long-running saga. What's ahead? We'll take that to the "Nth Degree."

And first, here's today's "Buzz" question. "Can Michael Jackson get a fair trial?" Vote now, cnn.com/360. We'll have results when we come back.

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COOPER: Time for "The Buzz." We asked you, "can Michael Jackson get a fair trial?" It's been a split vote all day. 45 percent of you said yes. 55 percent voted no. Not a scientific poll, just viewer buzz.

Tonight, taking Michael Jackson media coverage to the "Nth Degree." Tonight we stand on the historic cusp of a bold new day in journalism. The dawn of a Jackson media frenzy, even bigger than the previous Jackson media frenzy.

It's going to get confusing, so we want to offer a handy viewer's guide to some of the characters you'll no doubt be hearing a lot about in the months ahead.

This is Michael Jackson, millionaire. He owns a mansion, a ferris wheel and a monkey. Well, he used to own a monkey, it's name was bubbles. Some say Jackson is so self destructive he cut off his nose despite his face.

This is Michael's father, Joe. He says he did not beat Michael per se, unless you count whipping someone with a switch as beating, which I do.

This is Michael's's sister Janet. She sings. This is Michael's other sister LaToya. She used to look like Michael looked then. Now she looks like Janet looks now.

Now, you may not be sure what role you'll play in this national drama. But remember, there's going to be an awful lot of air time to fill. If you are not already serving your nation as a Michael Jackson expert you may be asked to soon enough. So, please, stay by your phones. A cable news booker will be call calling you for an interview. It is just a matter of time.

And that wraps up our program tonight. Coming up next, "PAULA ZAHN NOW."

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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST (voice-over): The one-time King of pop booked and out on bail.

A terror bombing abroad: a British diplomat among the dozens dead.

Violence in Miami: cops at trade talks bring out the riot gear.

Predator and prey: an in-depth look at pedophilia.

And the sexiest men alive: who made the cut and who didn't.

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ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

COOPER: Good evening. Welcome to 360.

What a day it's been. We lead off tonight with some stunning images of Michael Jackson, his mug shot taken just minutes after surrendering to face charges of child molestation in Santa Barbara, California.

And this is how he arrived at jail: in handcuffs. That was the image. This is the image that is just into CNN now, Michael Jackson moments ago. This is the first time we are seeing these images.

He has arrived back in Las Vegas. That is him getting of his private jet after giving himself up to authorities in Santa Barbara.

We are also showing a live shot right now in Las Vegas, the entourage from Michael Jackson on the way from the airport. He is in the black Suburban you see on the left-hand side of your screen. Obviously they are stopped either by traffic or at some sort of a light. They will be moving from the airport outside or near Las Vegas, where they arrived just moments ago in that private jet.

We're going to continue to follow that entourage as we move through the course of this next hour. There is a lot to tell you about. We'll be reporting on Jackson from a number of angles throughout the program tonight, beginning with two reports from the scene of a media frenzy. Frank Buckley outside the jail where Jackson turned himself in, and David Mattingly at Jackson's Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara County.

First, Frank Buckley -- Frank.

FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, today, as expected, Michael Jackson turned himself in to face charges of child molestation. He also signaled that he intends to fight those allegations in court.

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BUCKLEY (voice-over): Michael Jackson returned to Santa Barbara in a private jet to surrender to authorities. But the pop star denied photographers the shot they were waiting for, of Jackson being taken into custody. His jet pulled halfway into a hangar, keeping his arrest hidden. Then a scene reminiscent of O.J. Simpson's slow-speed chase.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now they're getting closer to the sheriff's department.

BUCKLEY: The major difference: Jackson was already in custody, headed for jail, where one of the world's most famous people emerged from a car (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

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BUCKLEY: Is that the tape? Sorry about the tape there. Apparently we've got some sort of a technical problem.

We can tell you that Michael Jackson came here to the Santa Barbara County inmate reception center. He was booked, he posted $3 million bail. He was photographed. You've seen the booking photo now, and then he was released.

His next court date is set for January 9. That's when he'll be arraigned. Also as part of his bail arrangement, he had to surrender his passport -- Anderson.

COOPER: Well Frank, we are looking at a live picture right now. You cannot see it, probably. It's a live picture outside Las Vegas of Michael Jackson's entourage, some black Suburbans. They've just gotten off a plane.

I guess he took a private jet from Santa Barbara to Las Vegas, arrived just a short time ago. You see some people kind of actually just walking up to the vehicles, trying to get some photographs or some autographs of the like.

Frank, how long did the entire procedure take when he went to the Santa Barbara courthouse today?

BUCKLEY: Well, the actual booking procedure only took about 30 minutes to 45 minutes, but the anticipation, if you will, of his arrival here took quite a bit longer than that. There was a great deal of anticipation at the airport. A number of jets landing. Everyone wondering was this one the one that had Michael Jackson in it.

Finally, when the plane arrived that did have him in it, everyone thought that they'd finally see Michael Jackson. But instead, he pulled into that hangar; as you saw, the plane halfway into the hangar. We're told that that's when he was actually taken into custody inside the hangar immediately upon his arrival back here in Santa Barbara County.

COOPER: And Frank, these images we're looking at, clearly they are stopped in traffic, and the Suburban is basically being besieged by a couple of camera crews, but also just individuals who seen to want to be going up to it. There looks to be a number of security personnel dressed in black on either side of the vehicle kind of pushing some people away. I guess encouraging them not to get too close. Obviously, they are all hoping that traffic jam will clear up so they can get moving.

It's not clear at this point where Michael Jackson is headed. Prior to this incident, he had come from Las Vegas. We have been told he was there apparently shooting a music video. Highly unlikely that he will go back to shooting that music video, as a lot of his enterprises, the CBS special that was to air a week from today, I believe it was, that will not be airing.

We just lost that live picture, but we'll come back to it as soon as we can. I want to check in -- actually, let's go back to that picture if we can. I'm just told we've restored it.

We also have David Mattingly standing by outside the Neverland Ranch. David, what a day it has been.

DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Indeed, Anderson. A little bit of excitement here a little while ago, in fact. There was a Mercedes with darkened windows and a van in front and behind it moving at a high rate of speed going right into the gates. And at the time we thought it could have been Michael Jackson. But then we get the pictures of Michael Jackson in Las Vegas.

So the question of where is Michael Jackson being answered at least for now. But what next for Michael Jackson, however, is still very much up in the air.

COOPER: It certainly does seem to be that. And right now, again, we're just looking at a tighter image. We see about two camera crews zooming in. It looks like the traffic is moving a little bit.

David, legally, what does happen next for Michael Jackson?

MATTINGLY: Well, next he has an arraignment. He has a preliminary hearing. And then could be months -- we could be waiting month for discovery to be taken by the defense attorneys and by the prosecutors. There's a lot of work to do on this yet before he ever gets in front of a jury.

COOPER: We also have Frank Buckley standing by. Frank, Mark Geragos, a very high-powered attorney representing Michael Jackson, spoke a little bit today. What did he say that really stood out to you?

MATTINGLY: Well, I think he did what any attorney in a high- profile case like this will do. He's doing his best to get out in front of the allegations, doing his best to say, Michael Jackson is going to fight this vigorously.

He called it -- he specifically quoted Michael Jackson in saying that Michael Jackson considers this a big lie. That's also the information that came from Michael Jackson's spokesman in describing Michael Jackson's reaction to all of this. In fact, Michael is quoted as saying in a statement that "Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons. The truth will win this marathon in court."

That's Michael Jackson being quoted by Stuart Backerman, his spokesman. So similar words being used that this is a lie, that these allegations are lies. That is sort of what stood out for me.

COOPER: It has certainly been quite a dramatic day not only for Michael Jackson but for much of the world's media who have been following this thing extraordinarily closely. We're going to continue to follow it throughout the evening. David Mattingly and Frank Buckley, we'll check back in with you shortly.

Here's a bit more of that statement that Frank Buckley was talking about issued on behalf of Michael Jackson. And I quote -- we're going to put it on the screen -- "The big lie is against Michael Jackson is anchored in the most vicious allegation imaginable, one that resonates across every culture: the spectacle of harming a child. That spectacle invites outrage, and it should, but this spectacle is rooted in a lie."

Now there are many other important stories to tell you about tonight.

In London, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Bush stand side by side condemning the attacks, vowing the attacks that happened earlier in the day in Turkey against two double explosions against British targets. They have vowed that they, regardless of this attack or any others that may come, they will stay the course in Iraq and elsewhere against the war on terror.

CNN's White House correspondent John King has that story.

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JOHN KING, CNN SR. WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Istanbul attack added urgency to the talks at 10 Downing Street and brought fresh commitments to press ahead in the war on terror.

PRIME MINISTER TONY BLAIR, GREAT BRITAIN: We are not going to back down or flinch at all from this struggle.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Today, once again, we saw their ambitions of murder.

KING: Both governments suggested al Qaeda and its allies are again to blame, and both leaders say a thriving democracy in Iraq would be a powerful deterrent to terrorism.

BUSH: The spread of freedom and the hope it brings is the surest way in the long term to combat despair and anger and resentment that feeds terror.

KING: That the British were targeted by terrorists while the president was in London was viewed as no coincidence. Mr. Blair bristled when asked if it was the price for standing firm with Mr. Bush.

BLAIR: It's not the president of the United States. It's not the alliance between America and Britain. What is responsible for that terrorist attack is terrorism, are the terrorists.

KING: And Britain's foreign secretary cited the September 11 attacks, taking issue with those who suggest the war in Iraq and, more specifically, Mr. Bush, are provoking the terrorists.

JACK STRAW, BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY: It was planned under the presidency of Bill Clinton even if it were executed under the presidency of George W. Bush.

KING: Protesters took to the streets of London by the tens of thousands, and many made clear they do blame Mr. Bush for inciting terror and would prefer he meet the same fate as Saddam Hussein.

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COOPER: And John King joins us now. John, obviously those dramatic images, that effigy of President Bush being pulled down. Protests organizers are claiming as many as 150,000 people turned up to protest against the president. How is the president responding to these demonstrations?

KING: Well Anderson, police giving us an official estimate of about 110,000 as well. So large demonstrations, by far the largest of the president's visit.

Mr. Bush shrugging it off, trying to put a positive light on it, saying it is proof of the thriving democracy here saying, even saying they now can protest in Baghdad. Of course, though, what the administration worries about -- and we should say, President Bush did see a small bit of the protest as he drove through London -- what the administration worries about is the effect of those pictures back home.

Mr. Bush hoping this trip proves that he has a key ally in the war on terrorism heading into a reelection campaign. What the White House hopes does not happen is that these pictures convince the American people to be even more skeptical of the president's efforts in Iraq -- Anderson.

COOPER: All right. John King, thanks very much.

Now, John's piece mentioned the deadly bombings of British targets in Turkey today. At least 27 people were killed, hundreds wounded by double explosions, as we mentioned just a short while ago, in Istanbul's financial district.

CNN's Chris Burns filed this report.

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CHRIS BURNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Witnesses said they thought it was another Istanbul earthquake. And then they saw the body parts. The limbs, the bits of flesh, strewn far from the blast sites.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I was in front of a bar and suddenly we heard a huge explosion. We didn't understand what was going on. All we could see was blood, glass and wreckage.

BURNS: The late morning bombs went off just minutes and slightly more than two miles apart, apparently aiming for the maximum casualties in this bustling port city and financial capital. The targets, the British Consulate and the world's second largest bank based in London. Among the dead, the British console general. An obvious strike at Turkey's close ties with the West, as well as against a country deeply involved in the U.S.-led war on terror.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let us also be clear that these attacks are attacks on the whole humanity. Yes, today this was a direct attack on the British post here in Istanbul and a British-based very large (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Last week, here in Istanbul, it was synagogues, but many Muslims were killed. Tomorrow who knows, because these are people who are full of hatred. They are fanatics.

BURNS: Turkish officials say they believe the attacks were linked to Saturday's dual bombings of two synagogues. Attacks that officials say involved two Turkish suicide drivers who spent time in Afghanistan. Prime Minister Erdogan has sought to maintain close relations with the West, despite coming to power last year, leading a party with Muslim fundamentalist roots. By striking at Turkey's financial heart, the attack appeared not only aimed at destabilizing the government, but also Turkey's already tenuous economic recovery.

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BURNS: And tonight, the U.S. and British governments are telling their citizens to proceed with caution here in Istanbul. And the U.S. embassy is even saying there could be more terrorist attacks here. They are telling the U.S. nationals to be very careful and to try to avoid Western-oriented businesses and religious institutions -- Anderson.

COOPER: Ominous words. Chris Burns in Istanbul. Thanks very much, Chris.

Well, back here at home, not everyone was watching Michael Jackson coverage today. There was other news as well. Let's take a look "Cross Country."

La Hambra, California: Spector arraigned. Phil Spector, legendary music producer, was charged with murder in the shooting death of Lana Clarkson (ph) -- this woman right here -- at his mansion back in February. He denies killing the movie actress, suggesting in a magazine interview that she may have killed herself.

Virginia Beach, Virginia: life or death. That's what the jury will begin deliberating tomorrow in the penalty phase of the trial of convicted sniper John Muhammad.

And Washington, D.C.: why women make less, at least according to Congress. A congressional study says women receive less salary than men partly because they generally work fewer hours and are likely to leave the labor force for longer periods. In 2000, women on average earned about 20 percent less than men. The pay gap has pretty much stayed the same over the past 20 years.

And that is a look at stories "Cross Country" tonight.

Chaotic clashes with police on the streets of Miami. Find out why free trade talks are causing violent protests.

And the case against Michael Jackson. He has high-powered attorneys, but will that be enough? We're going to talk with 360 legal analyst Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom and Court TV anchor Lisa Bloom about the battles ahead.

First, let's take a look, however, "Inside the Box" at the top stories on tonight's network newscasts.

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COOPER: Dramatic images from Miami today. Police and protesters trading blows all day. Thousands of demonstrators literally up in arms over trade expansion talks that they believe could lead to fewer American jobs.

Susan Candiotti was in the thick of it.

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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Intelligence predicted trouble on the fourth day, and it was right on the money. Protesters who authorities say did not have required permits, mixing it up with police. At one point, they used hooks trying to tear down an eight-foot high fence erected near the hotel where trade ministers are meeting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They threw an explosive device at the officers, as well as gas. They actually poured gas against the officers.

CANDIOTTI: Self-described anarchists quiet earlier in the week, protesting a free trade agreement. The shoving matches and so far a limited use of tear gas not coming close to riots that rocked similar trade summits in Seattle, Canada and Mexico.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Knuckleheads being knuckleheads. They can't help themselves. CANDIOTTI (on camera): Now, Chief, should you be calling them knuckleheads?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, what else would I call them? They are not legitimate protesters.

CANDIOTTI (voice-over): Unions led by the AFL-CIO were able to stage a peaceful protest, arguing free trade zones hurt workers worldwide. Yet their message somewhat lost among these images.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a lot of sort of trigger happiness, I think, among the police here. But even that having been said, I think they've restrained themselves pretty well, although not entirely.

CANDIOTTI: Ministers posing for a class photo so far untouched by the mayhem a few blocks away. More than 40 arrests this day, bracing for more trouble after dark.

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CANDIOTTI: However, police say they hope the worst is over with word this night that a trade agreement has been reached, at least a good framework for it, they are saying. And so this summit is winding up a day earlier than expected. This creating the world's largest free trade block in North, South and Central America, and consumers should start feeling the effects of it some time after that, much to the chagrin of protesters who have tried in vain to scuttle it -- Anderson.

COOPER: All right. Susan Candiotti, stay out of the thick of it. Thanks very much, Susan.

Flashback for you now. As Susan mentioned, Seattle was the scene of another large, loud, anti-globalization demonstration. Remember these images? 1999, 50,000 protesters crammed into downtown Seattle, shut down meetings of the World Trade Organization.

Overwhelmed police fired tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd. There were some 600 arrests and $3 million in property damage.

That's the flashback for you.

Quickly, we want to take you overseas for a couple of stories we're following right now. Here's the "UpLink."

Iraq: a new search. A team of former CIA analysts is now going through volumes and volumes of raw pre-war intelligence data to see if there were any missed clues about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

On a lighter note, Beaujolais, France: popping the cork. There was icy wind in the spring, then record heat in the summer. But the bad weather is said to have actually brought out some of this town's best wine in years. And they all seem to be celebrating.

I think they've had a couple of glasses. You can call it Mother Nature's version of tough love. London, England: the Banger Racing Championships. I've never heard of this thing, but it's all bang and crash. And that's what the people come for, apparently.

Forty-three cars, 25 laps later, it is one big crash site. A winner is announced. In this case, a guy named Dave Vincent (ph), just in case you were wondering or have placed a bet.

And that is tonight's "UpLink."

The crime is unthinkable, coming up, but not to pedophiles. What drives people to molest children? We'll look at that with Dr. Sanjay Gupta, who joins us live.

And a little later, Michael Jackson gives himself up to police. Hear what Jermaine Jackson, his brother, had to say about his brother's troubles.

And what do you think? Today's "Buzz": can Michael Jackson get a fair trial? Vote now: cnn.com/360. Results at the end of the program.

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COOPER: And welcome back to 360.

Just a few moments ago, we showed you video of Michael Jackson landing in Las Vegas. He is now en route to a destination unknown, frankly, but his Lincoln Navigator is moving quickly. It had been stopped in a traffic jam just a short while ago.

At the time it was stopped, besieged by about two news cameras and a number of people who just seemed to want to get close, and security officials and black-suited men got out and stood on either side of the vehicle, keeping people away. Clearly, the traffic has cleared up. He is moving swiftly down the highway, destination unknown.

In the past, of course, Michael Jackson is well known to have stayed in various Las Vegas hotels, has lived in hotels for long periods of time in Las Vegas. He had been in Vegas prior to these charges for which he had to appear today. It's not clear how long he'll be staying in Vegas. But we'll be continuing to follow this over the next several minutes.

Now, the allegations against Michael Jackson. And we have to stress the word "allegations," because they are that at this point. They have brought the puzzle of pedophilia into the spotlight this week.

Now, to a doctor, pedophilia is a clinical condition, one that has proven very resistant to any easy remedies. Dr. Sanjay Gupta reports.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): An adult attracted to older children or teenagers is a febaphile. That's sometimes confused with an adult who's attracted to prepubescent children, called a pedophile. Many use the term interchangeably. But the line between either of these and child molestation can be confusing.

The pedophile may or may not act on fantasies, but once he acts, he becomes a child molester and a criminal. Most psychologists don't fully understand what causes pedophilia, but they do know that there's not really a cure, even if there are effective treatments. Some think of pedophilia on the spectrum of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and treat it with medications, like antidepressants. Studies show strong hormones may be used and work up to 80 percent of the time.

To be clear, the American Psychiatric Association uses the following criteria to define chronicle pedophilia: First, over a period of at least six months, a person has recurrent, intense sexually-arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors involving sexual activity with a child age 13 or younger.

Second, the fantasies' sexual urges cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning.

Third, the person is at least 16 years old or at least five years older than the child or children they fantasize or have sex with.

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GUPTA: And Anderson, one of the things that's sort of most striking, the Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Thinking of this along that spectrum really puts this into the realm of possibly a biological disorder -- Anderson.

COOPER: Well, yes. I mean -- and I guess the bottom line is doctors really don't know at this point whether it is biological or whether anyone can suffer from it.

GUPTA: Yes. And really, when you think about a lot of these sort of disorders, there's a biological component to it. Oftentimes, there's also a psychosocial component to it. A lot of these children -- one of the psychiatrists pointing out to me a lot of these children, a significant percentage, actually being abused, molested in some way themselves as children, and possibly having that recurrent behavioral pattern as adults.

But if there's a biological component to it that can be treatable, possibly with antidepressants. Also, possibly with medication known as strong hormones, like Deprovera (ph) or Lupron (ph), possibly treating these types of disorders as well.

COOPER: Yes. Stress the word "possibly" there. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, thanks very much tonight.

GUPTA: Thank you. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER (voice-over): Michael Jackson and his legal battles ahead.

And the sexiest men alive. Who made the cut and who didn't?

We'll be right back.

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COOPER: Let's check some of our top stories tonight in "The Reset." London, England, united in grief and determination. President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair condemned today's double bombings in Turkey and vowed to defeat terror. The attacks in Istanbul targeted the British consulate and a British based bank, killing at least 27 people and wounding more than 450 others.

Worceter, Massachusetts, not guilty plea came from a Guantanamo Bay translator in federal court today. This man is accused of having secret documents from the prison when he was arrested at Boston Logan International Airport in September. He had just gotten off a flight from Egypt.

Arlington National Cemetary, World War Ii MIA's found and buried. The 7 Navy crew members of a U.S. bomber, similar to this one right here, crashed in eastern Russia on a mission in World War II. They were supposed to hit Japanese targets when they went missing in foul weather.

Russian authorities found the wreckage in 1962, but didn't share the information until just three years ago when steps were taken to recover the bodies, and they have been.

Cincinnati, Ohio, no contest, that's the plea from the Catholic Archdiocese of Cincinnati on charges of failing to take actions against priests accused of sexual abuse. Now faces a $10,000 fine.

And that is tonight's "Reset."

Well, as the world looked on, Michael Jackson, the fizzled king of pop, surrendered to authorities in Santa Barbara, California. The charges: child molestation. He was booked, photographed -- there it is -- and fingerprinted.

The 45-year-old entertainer was led inside the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department in handcuffs. He was released after posting $3 million bail. His attorney, Mark Geragos spoke on Jackson's behalf and protested his innocence.

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MARK GERAGOS, JACKSON'S ATTORNEY: He's come back specifically to confront these charges head on. He is greatly outraged by the bringing of these charges. He considers this to be a big lie. He understands the people who are outraged, because if these charges were true, I assure you Michael would be the first to be outraged.

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COOPER: As one can imagine, this has been a difficult ordeal for the Jackson family. Michael's older brother, Jermaine Jackson, says he is outraged by the charges as well as by the media. Earlier he spoke exclusively to CNN.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

JERMAINE JACKSON, BROTHER OF MICHAEL JACKSON: Well, first of all, I'd like to say, the whole family supports Michael 100 percent, 1000 percent. Michael is innocent. And just to let you know how I feel, I'm very disappointed in the system in which things were done. At the same time, Michael is in very strong spirits, because he is innocent.

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: What has he -- what has he told you?

JACKSON: We are tired of people -- I'm sick and F-ing tired of people speaking on my brother's behalf, on my family's behalf who do not know us. So you put these people on national TV, on international TV. And they say these things. And the public is saying, oh, wow, is he really like this?

My brother is not eccentric. We had an incredible, wonderful childhood. And what they're doing is bringing him down with the very thing that he loves, his children and family. My brother is about peace. They don't know us. But this will reveal itself, but I am sick and (EXPLETIVE DELETED) tired of everybody saying these things about my family.

And we will fight. And we will stand up. And everybody that knows this family around the world will support us, because, at the end of the day, this is nothing but a modern-day lynching. This is what they want to see, him in handcuffs. You got it. But it won't be for long, I promise you.

PHILLIPS: Jermaine, I...

JACKSON: I'm sick and tired.

PHILLIPS: And, believe me, I -- I -- I mean...

JACKSON: Sick and tired of it.

PHILLIPS: I have no idea what you are going through. I am definitely not in your shoes.

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JACKSON: You do not know, because you don't walk in my shoes or my family's shoes.

PHILLIPS: No, you are right. You are right. You are absolutely right.

JACKSON: You don't walk in our shoes.

But you put these people on national television to say things. They don't know our family.

PHILLIPS: And that's why we have you.

JACKSON: We are a family. And we will continue to be a family. That's my love right there. And we support him 1,000 percent. I have nothing else to say.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

COOPER: That was Jermaine Jackson talking earlier to CNN. Now, you get a somewhat different perspective from his former brother-in- law. Jack Gordon was married to Michael's sister LaToya Jackson. He joins us now live from Springfield, Illinois, with his reaction. Jack, thanks very much for being with us. Do you believe Michael Jackson is a pedophile?

JACK GORDON, FRM. BROTHER-IN-LAW OF MICHAEL JACKSON: I do. I do. Absolutely.

COOPER: You say that based on what? Any evidence?

GORDON: I spent a great deal of time at the Havenhurst House and I saw little boys constantly going through the house. I never saw little girls. And I...

COOPER: If you believe this, why didn't you speak up, do something at the time?

GORDON: Well, I was just a guest at their house. I really had nothing to do with Michael or what he did.

COOPER: Did you ever see Michael touch a child in any inappropriate way?

GORDON: No. I never saw Michael touch a child, hurt a child or fondle a child, no, no.

COOPER: So you still say you think he's a pedophile?

GORDON: Oh, absolutely. Not even a question.

COOPER: I guess I don't understand quite on what you base that?

GORDON: Well, first of all you have to understand that I was there. I was Michael's brother-in-law. I stayed at that house often and I stayed there more than a couple of years. I saw and witnessed a lot of small little boys. I never saw a little girl. I used to ask the question, why are there all little boys here and no little girls? I never got an answer. I would ask LaToya, I would ask Janet, Michael, Joseph, Kathryn and nobody ever responded to that question. COOPER: Let me ask you Jack, in 1993, your then wife LaToya Jackson said, "I cannot and will not be a silent collaborator of his crimes against small innocent children. I think Michael needs help." Basically she saying what you are saying now. She has since backed off that, I think recently on Larry King, she said that it was basically your fault. She blamed it on management that she was being controlled to say those things. Why do you think she has backed off?

GORDON: Well, LaToya, let me make a response. LaToya has to forget about me and kind of put me in the background and go on with her life. I never told LaToya to say anything at all. In fact, LaToya, if I recall, I watched Larry King too and said I had written down that entire speech. If I had written down that entire speech it would be as big as this television studio.

COOPER: Why do you think she's backed off these allegations why she once made?

GORDON: Well, I think Michael is supporting her. I feel very strongly Michael supports her.

COOPER: Is that the case you think ith with other family members as well?

GORDON: I think every single one of them. The only monies coming into that family are through Michael Jackson. The rest of them certainly aren't earning anything at all.

COOPER: So, you are saying you think Michael Jackson is paying his family members and you believe that is why they are supportive of him?

GORDON: I believe that Michael supports the entire family, Jackson family, including the mother, the father, the brothers and the sister, other than Janet.

COOPER: I just want to jump in. We are looking at live pictures right now of Michael Jackson's Lincoln Navigator as it is stuck in traffic heading towards somewhere in Las Vegas. I imagine some hotel where he is staying at. Describe if you will the inner circle that this man lives in, or lived in at the time you were associated with the family. The people he has around him, is he in control of things?

GORDON: Michael used to be. When I knew him, very much in control. Nothing ever happened to Michael Jackson unless Michael Jackson had absolute control over everything that was going on. And that means everything.

COOPER: Jack Gordon, appreciate you joining us tonight, adding your perspective.

GORDON: That's right. Thank you very much.

COOPER: I want to turn to justice served. The troubles for Michael Jackson are many: financial, personal and certainly the most significant right now, legal. Here's more from Michael Jackson's attorney, Mark Geragos, who spoke out after Jackson surrendered to the authorities.

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GERAGOS: I'm here to tell you today, and Michael has given me the authority to say on his behalf, these charges are categorically untrue. He looks forward to getting into a courtroom as opposed to any other forum, and confronting these accusations head-on.

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COOPER: His arraignment date is scheduled for January 9. There will be a lot of legal maneuvering before then. Joining us is Court TV anchor Lisa Bloom and 360 legal analyst Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom.

Kimberly, I want to begin with you. The charges were not actually filed today.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE NEWSOM, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, this is slightly unusual. What we had done today is basically Michael Jackson was cited and released. He posted bond today for the $3 million bail. The D.A.s office, just moments ago, released this press release stating no charges will be filed until Thanksgiving. So, that's slightly unusual.

COOPER: But he would have been informed of the charges against him today.

NEWSOM: Correct. They would have that on the booking form when he was cited saying it would be penal code section 288 subsection A, this particular crime that he has been accused of.

COOPER: All right, Lisa, Jackson was cited under California prohibits lewd and lascivious acts.

What does that tell you about the case?

LISA BLOOM, COURT TV ANCHOR: Fascinating to me, because prosecutors had a range of choices in charging him. They chose a statute that's broad, that basicly includes all sexual activity with a minor under the age of 14, but not forcible sexual conduct. Unlike Kobe Bryant, for example, who is accused of forcible rape, Michael Jackson, is accused of lewd and lascivious acts, but not the use of force. That parallels the 1993 allegation against him. And that affidavit which has been made public, the minor accused him of seducing him, but not using force, not using a weapon.

COOPER: As we know, Kimberly, that 1993 allegation was settled out of court. Michael Jackson denied all the charges. No charges were in fact ever brought. Jackson denied the allegations. But the laws have changed now.

NEWSOM: Yes. The laws have changed. Now there are certain evidentiary tools available to the prosecution, if a victim is not cooperative. In 1995 we saw a legislative change that allows hearsay statements to come in as evidence. But in this is it is markedly different because we have a victim that is cooperative, is willing to testify in this case. I think that is why the D.A. went forward with the charges at this time.

COOPER: When this does get to trial and it's going to get to trial. I mean, the D.A. said there's not going to be a settlement this thing. All these videos of Michael Jackson with children, even though documentary in which he talked about and we met in that documentary one of the young men who he says was sleeping in his bed.

Is that all going to be brought into evidence?

BLOOM: Absolutely. Any statements Michael Jackson made about sleeping with children, about time spent with children, especially alone in his bed can be used against him at trial. Outtakes of those videos, videos he made and kept. All of that is discoverable. And I suspect that may be part of what the police were looking for when they raided his ranch a couple of days ago.

COOPER: Kimberly, what happens -- and I am not sure anyone really knows the answer to this at this point, what happens to Michael Jackson's children in all of this?

NEWSOM: Well, we can assume for now the children will be staying with Michael Jackson under his care and custody. Keep in mind that Michael Jackson has been accused here. He's innocent until proven guilty. And I think the strong statement that Mark Geragos made today hit the note perfectly, which I have to say was markedly different from the press conference that the D.A.'s office had, that was a lot of levity and laughter for something that is actually a very serious charge. If he is convicted of this he'd have to register as a sex offender, and you are looking at a lot of time in jail. So it will be interesting to see how this develops.

COOPER: Lisa, would anyone else in these circumstances still have their kids still staying with them?

BLOOM: Absolutely. And think it's appalling...

COOPER: That would have their children...

BLOOM: The children would be taken away immediately, at least temporarily. Now he would have a chance to have a hearing immediately and have an opportunity to get his kids back. But three children in the custody and control of someone accused of child molestation of a minor under the age of 14, absolutely under ordinary circumstances those kids would be immediately removed from the home.

COOPER: And as we look just a bizarre scene happening. I mean, frankly, this is a scene we've seen before in other instances. This is a Lincoln Navigator, Michael Jackson is inside it. He's landed in Las Vegas. They are stuck in traffic. And you have just people coming up top the car. The window opens a little bit. There you see it.

BLOOM: And this is the celebrity worship factor the prosecutors have to contend with. There are millions of people who would sleep over night on a cold sidewalk just to catch a glimpse of Michael Jackson going by. COOPER: Now, earlier we saw these images. Basicly we saw security personnel in black suits trying to keep people away from the car. This thing is clearly moving beyond the control of some people right there. Everyone, people just getting out of their cars, swarming this vehicle. There you see some security...

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COOPER: Go ahead Kimberly.

NEWSOM: It is a media circus. I just came off of Modesto, the Peterson case. Before that I was in Eagle for Kobe and there are twice as many media vehicles and satellite trucks here. It's unbelievable and I think this is just the beginning of what is really going to be a crazy frenetic case.

COOPER: Yes, one can only imagine how long this is going to go on for. Now, you see the vehicle moving away. You did see some security guards, obviously Michael Jackson's security coming, getting people away. The vehicle is now moving. Not really known where Jackson is going to be staying in Las Vegas. If you saw that Martin Bashir documentary of him. You saw him in hotels in Las Vegas where he seems to sort of be camped out for long periods of time. He was in Las Vegas prior to this incident. Legally he can stay there until at least January 9th when he reappears?

BLOOM: Well, the bail he posted today allows him apparently to leave apparently to leave the state of California and go to the state of Nevada, which he did immediately afterwards. Apparently there's been an agreement that allows him to do that, as he returns for the arraignment in January. Apparently that would be acceptable to prosecutors.

COOPER: Kimberly, as we watch these images, we are just going to continue watching them, you know, Mark Geragos certainly has a lot on his plate. I mean, to say the least he's been representing Scott Peterson all along.

How is it possible you think for him to do all this?

NEWSOM: Well, I've known Mark for many years now, nine years in total. He's ran excellent lawyer. He did an amazing job in the courtroom on the Peterson case. I think that family is happy with his performance. And sources close to the defense tell me they are not upset about the fact he's taken on the representation of Michael Jackson. In this case I expect he's got a full staff and a lot of resources. He wouldn't take it on if he wasn't able to handle it.

COOPER: Lisa, it's just incredible to think of him on two of the most important court cases, this year at least.

BLOOM: I disagree with the adoration of Mark Geragos. Two words, Winona Ryder, he lost that case. She was convicted of shoplifting. A very beloved public figure. He got a lot of continuances in that case and ultimately was unsuccessful. He said there were going to be receipts produced, they never were. Susan McDougal a former client of Mark Geragos is incarcerated for many months. Gary Condit, another client of his never charged, maybe that's a victory. And now he's defending Scott Peterson who was just bond over to trial. So, I am not seeing enormous victories in the court room that Mark Geragos has succeed in. He is a high profile attorney in a sense he is associated with celebrities like Winona Ryder, and now like Michael Jackson. I think it remains to be seen what kind of performance he's going to do in this case.

COOPER: Kimberly.

NEWSOM: Well, Anderson, keep in mind that the Winona Ryder Trial, she was on videotape stuffing everything into her coat and into her garments. So I don't know how much he could have done with that. What I do know, even though she was convicted of two felonies, he argued successfully to keep his client out of custody, which is a plus. No charges on the Gary Condit case, that again was a big deal. He represented him. Susan McDougal is pleased with his representation. I've had cases against him, so I can speak well to his ability as a lawyer and in terms of...

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COOPER: Kimberly, let me talk to you as a prosecutor, what do prosecutors set about doing today? I mean, you say they aren't going to be filing these charges until after Thanksgiving, but they have a lot of work ahead of them.

What are they targeting in the next couple of weeks, months, days?

NEWSOM: Well, these are tough cases to prove and win. This is going to come on down to a one on one. They are going to have to develop their facts and case and in fact find corroborating information to substantiate this boy's statement and his allegations against Michael Jackson. That's why you saw the extensive search warrants being executed at the residents when Michael Jackson wasn't there. They are going to be looking for paraphernalia or other entertainment information, et cetera, videos, anything he has in his possession that would show an inappropriate interest toward children. Any pornographic material. And all of that could come into play. They'll have to prove the issue of intent. The intent to cause sexual arousal or gratification of the minor or the adult, in this case, Michael Jackson. These very tough cases and they are serious charges.

COOPER: Lisa Bloom, defense attorneys, I mean, Mark Geragos, what advise do you think he is giving to his client. This is a client unlike any other. A level of celebrity, that dwarfs just about anything we can sort of imagine and a lifestyle which is fair to describe as odd living in hotels.

BLOOM: Adamant. I'd go so far as to call Michael Jackson the most famous man in the world. If you travel worldwide, everyone knows Michael Jackson. And there's a level of adoration for him that's unprecedented. I'm sure Mark Geragos is telling Michael Jackson to do what he did today, to lay low. The entire scene today was manipulated so the press could not really get a good look at Michael Jackson. And you got to wonder why. We call know what Michael Jackson looks like. The mug shot was made public. And everyone knew it would be.

Why was he hiding from the cameras? Why did the plane sneak into the hangar and Michael Jackson out into the shadows. This is not John Q. Public whose face is made public for the first time in connection with some allegations. We all know what Michael Jackson looks like. So, I wonder why he was hiding today.

COOPER: Well, there we saw a little hand...

NEWSOM: No, Anderson, I don't think he got special treatment at all.

COOPER: Just so we know what we're looking at. We are looking -- if you are just joining us, Michael Jackson's Lincoln Navigator stuck in traffic. We saw a little hand out there flashing a "V" for victory or peace. We are not quite sure what it was. But people, as they have been now for several minutes, any time this vehicle is stopped, people coming up to the vehicle. Surrounding it, trying to touch him. It is a spectacle no matter how you do it.

BLOOM: It shows how loved he is. And it shows why parents would send their children to Neverland to spend the night with Michael Jackson. Many people ask, how can parents do that because there's a level of worship of Michael Jackson that's unlike anything else that most of us understand. People will run out to the car to get close to the car to touch the car because it's Michael Jackson's car. That's the real issue that prosecutors are going to have to confront in this is the level of public worship for this figure.

COOPER: Kimberly.

NEWSOM: Lisa's right about that. The biggest challenge in this case is going to be jury selection. Where can you take this case where anyone isn't going to have this hero worship of Michael Jackson? And the D.A. will have to overcome that public image and belief of Michael Jackson as being this humanitarian, a great lover of children, someone who cares deeply about children and has done charitable things on behalf of children. Compared to the image that the DA has portrayed, as this child predator, someone who uses children for his own gratification.

And that is a big jump, and they are going to have to combat that in trying to get a juror to come forward to say they don't have a preconceived notion about the case or an opinion one way or the other about Michael Jackson.

COOPER: Just to play devil's advocate here, though, Kimberly, the defense also has a battle against them. The images of Michael Jackson dangling a small child over a balcony seared the mind's eye of many jurors out there. I think it probably cuts both ways, no?

NEWSOM: No, it does. That's going to be the problem. People are going to have firm opinions about this. They're either going to love him and believe this couldn't be true or your going to say, hey, I watched those Martin Bashir videos, et cetera, and the specials where Michael was saying it's a beautiful thing to be in bed with a young child.

So, people are going to try to make sense of that and it's going to be literally next to impossible to get a jury that doesn't have an opinion one way or another.

COOPER: As we continue watching this strange image of this Lincoln Navigator winding its way to some destination in the city of Las Vegas, Lisa, I can only wonder, what are his days going to be fills with from here until January 9 court date? I mean, everywhere he goes, I can guarantee you we won't continue this level of coverage past today.

BLOOM: You're not going to keep following his Navigator wherever it goes?

COOPER: Some may, not on this program. This, I think, is it for us tonight. But, of all the days for us to do it, I think this is the day to do it. We'll probably give it up. But people are going to be watching him and watching him with a different eye. Any movement toward a child, anything is going to be interpreted differently.

BLOOM: Well, I tease you, but we followed it all day on Court TV, too, as well, Anderson, as did everyone else. It is riveting. It is fascinating. But like Kobe Bryant, I'm sure that Michael Jackson will try to go back to his normal life as an entertainer, as someone who records videos who records music, who is out there doing specials like Kobe Bryant is back in the basketball court.

Of course his attorney will be making statements. He will have to show up and appear for his court dates. But he'll try to go on with business as usual.

COOPER: Again, we're not sure where this vehicle is headed. I'm not sure what hotel or residence Michael Jackson is headed toward. We had read on the wires, I guess he was in Las Vegas last Saturday and Celine Dion, there was a program, her show was playing. They actually delayed her show an hour so that Michael Jackson could come attend the program. I guess people in the audience were upset until they realized it was Michael Jackson. He was introduced

BLOOM: And that's his typical life. And when you read accounts of children who spend time with Michael Jackson, he gets Disneyland kept open for extra hours just for him and his child guests. That's the life of a child with Michael Jackson. That explains why so many children are drawn to him, why parents allow their kids to spend so much time with him.

COOPER: Kimberly, I talk to, yesterday, someone who was once in Michael Jackson's inner circle and, who said, that the D.A. in particular, to those in the Jackson camp, this D.A. is viewed, well, that they believe that this D.A. has been targeting Michael Jackson for a very long time. How tough a job does the D.A. have?

NEWSOM: 10 years.

COOPER: Kimberly, can you hear me? NEWSOM: Yes, I can. He's been going after him basically for 10 years, keeping this investigation open, seeing if anyone else would come forward. And one of the interesting things at his press conference was he encouraged other people, anyone else that potentially had been victimized to come forward. It begs the question, is he going to try to proceed by way of grand jury, try and build a bigger case?

And why didn't he have the charges ready to go today. There really is no need, if he knows what kind of case he has, to put it off until after Thanksgiving, usually that's done right away. So, nothing in this case has made complete sense. Or been done by the books. And I don't think he got special treatment either.

BLOOM: I wouldn't think he's been going after him for 10 years.

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BLOOM: In 1994 there was a settlement and the victim at that time, the alleged victim, decided not to pursue criminal charges and so the D.A. had little alternative, but to leave the case open. But the D.A. could have pursued witness bribery investigation against Michael Jackson, if, in fact, Michael Jackson paid money by way of a civil settlement for that child not to pursue criminal charges. He never pursued that and he said, the case has been dormant for the last 10 years.

COOPER: We're going to leave it there. Kimberly Guilfoyle Newsom, 360 legal analyst. And Court TV's Lisa Bloom, thanks very much.

We still have a lot ahead. We spent a lot of this time program on one pop star's drama. Now we want to check on the lighter pop culture news in tonight's "Current." Let's take a look.

No graphic, hey, let's just go for it anyway.

Mel Gibson's people are mad at the "New York Post." On Gibson's behalf, according to "Variety" the "Post" somehow obtained an unauthorized copy of Gibson's movie based on the Biblical account of Jesus' life and wrote about it without permission. Gibson's attorneys are handling the matter and it's not clear whether they'll sue the paper or simply turn into a pillar of salt.

The USA Network is developing a "Scarface" miniseries based on the 1983 movie. Some industry insiders expressed concern that if the film portrays Scarface in a negative light it could actually airing on "Showtime" instead.

KFC says it is ending a controversial add campaign, portraying KFC chicken as a healthy meal. The ads have been criticized for portraying KFC chicken as healthy healthy. The ads were also considered funny by some, for portraying KFC chicken as a healthy meal

Comedian Yakov Smirnov, and I use that term lightly, is getting a new venue in Branson, the entertainment capital of southwestern Missouri. The new Yakov Smirnov theater will hold 2,200 people, at least until they manage to escape.

Coming up next, the last word On Michael Jackson, not only the characters involved but this long-running saga. What's ahead? We'll take that to the "Nth Degree."

And first, here's today's "Buzz" question. "Can Michael Jackson get a fair trial?" Vote now, cnn.com/360. We'll have results when we come back.

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COOPER: Time for "The Buzz." We asked you, "can Michael Jackson get a fair trial?" It's been a split vote all day. 45 percent of you said yes. 55 percent voted no. Not a scientific poll, just viewer buzz.

Tonight, taking Michael Jackson media coverage to the "Nth Degree." Tonight we stand on the historic cusp of a bold new day in journalism. The dawn of a Jackson media frenzy, even bigger than the previous Jackson media frenzy.

It's going to get confusing, so we want to offer a handy viewer's guide to some of the characters you'll no doubt be hearing a lot about in the months ahead.

This is Michael Jackson, millionaire. He owns a mansion, a ferris wheel and a monkey. Well, he used to own a monkey, it's name was bubbles. Some say Jackson is so self destructive he cut off his nose despite his face.

This is Michael's father, Joe. He says he did not beat Michael per se, unless you count whipping someone with a switch as beating, which I do.

This is Michael's's sister Janet. She sings. This is Michael's other sister LaToya. She used to look like Michael looked then. Now she looks like Janet looks now.

Now, you may not be sure what role you'll play in this national drama. But remember, there's going to be an awful lot of air time to fill. If you are not already serving your nation as a Michael Jackson expert you may be asked to soon enough. So, please, stay by your phones. A cable news booker will be call calling you for an interview. It is just a matter of time.

And that wraps up our program tonight. Coming up next, "PAULA ZAHN NOW."

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