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Terror in Spain; White House Race; Canada's Worst Serial Killing Case

Aired March 11, 2004 - 19:00   ET

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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST (voice-over): Chaos and carnage: a massive terror attack in Spain. Who's to blame?

A spy in our midst? An American woman is charged with giving secrets to Iraq.

On the campaign trail, a war of words. Did Kerry go to far? We'll talk with his stepson Chris Heinz.

Contaminated pork? You won't believe what police found on a suspected serial killer's pig farm.

Just when you thought "Sex and the City" was over, now it is on sale.

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ANNOUNCER: Live, from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

COOPER: Good evening. Welcome to 360.

In Spain, at this moment, they are still counting the bodies. At least 190 people are dead, more than 1,000 injured. Ten bombs nearly all carried in backpacks turned Madrid's early morning commute into a death trap.

Christiane Amanpour is there.

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CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For the Spanish, Atocha is now a station of horror. At 7:30 this mornings, the young and the old were heading into school and to work when massive explosions ripped great holes into their commuter train.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I could hear people screaming. I don't know. It's something that I can't explain. I will not recommend (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

AMANPOUR: Suddenly, in central Madrid, there were makeshift morgues flooded with desperate families. Mobile phones of the dead could still be heard ringing. Hearses wound through the streets, carrying bodies away from the carnage. Ordinary citizens lined up to donate blood. It is as close to a war zone as this generation has seen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I saw dramatic scenes of people covered in blood.

AMANPOUR: You knew the remains of a woman lay here by the stilettos that poked from the blanket. Elsewhere, limbs severed from torsos lay in pools of blood. And even the very young joined in hauling away the dead and wounded.

Spanish officials say ETA, the armed Basque separatist group, is their prime suspect for now. But they say they have found detonators and a tape of Koranic versus in a van near the commuter route.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Because of this, I have just given instruction to the security forces not to rule out any line of investigation.

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AMANPOUR: So who is responsible? Who is to blame? Spanish authorities still saying ETA is the prime suspect, but they are continuing a New line of investigation because of those tapes, because of the detonators that were found.

Meanwhile, the Spanish prime minister calling for mass rallies Friday night in a show of defiance against the killers -- Anderson.

COOPER: A sad night, indeed. Christiane Amanpour from Madrid. Thanks very much, Christiane.

People all over Spain, as Christiane mentioned, are mourning the lives taken today. A minute of silence was observed throughout the country. Thousands joined in cities, like this scene from Bilbao, to remember the victims of the terror attacks. And flags were lowered to half-staff.

There has been a claim of responsibility for today's attacks, but by a group with a questionable record. A group called the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigade faxed a letter to an Arab newspaper based in London. The letter claims credit for today's blast on behalf of al Qaeda, and says the terror group is "90 percent ready to attack the United States" in what it calls the black winds of death.

Well, they certainly have a flare for the dramatic. Intelligence sources have consistently told CNN that Abu Hafs al-Masri does not speak for al Qaeda. It has claimed credit for previous attacks blamed on al Qaeda. It has also claimed responsibility for the U.S. power blackout last summer, a claim dismissed by just about everyone.

Earlier today, President Bush spoke about the terror attacks. This is what he said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We weep with the families, we stand strong with the people of Spain.

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COOPER: Coming up, we're going to talk to two terrorism experts on who may be responsible. We are covering this story all throughout this next hour. We will bring you any details as they develop.

The attack in Spain has caused concern in the U.S. Every day, of course, millions of us use commuter trains to get to and from work. Tonight, some of us will no doubt be looking around a bit more carefully as we make our way home.

CNN's Jeanne Meserve reports on the danger close to home.

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JEANNE MESERVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Could this happen here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Certainly it could.

MESERVE: The signs at the Amtrak counter say IDs are required to buy a ticket. But no one checked mine just hours after the attack in Spain. As for my bag, there was no screening of any type. In many places, there is easy access to rail tracks and often to rail cars, which then travel past major population centers and critical infrastructure.

SEN. JOSEPH BIDEN (D), DELAWARE: There really is no American train security.

MESERVE: The rail industry says the sheer numbers makes screening of passengers and baggage impractical.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To put it in perspective, every day, two million Americans use the airline system, and 32 million times a day Americans use our public transit systems. So 16 times more.

MESERVE: Since 9/11, rail systems have deployed more bomb- sniffing dogs. There are more cameras, more police. The industry also has a 24-hour information sharing and analysis center, or ISAC, which receives and shares information on terrorist threats.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then it's a sift and sort process to try to determine what of that information that's out there about the incident has taken place would be valuable.

MESERVE: The federal government says one of its accomplishments is sharing timely threat information with the rail industry. But this morning, the ISAC analysts found out about the Madrid train bombing from local news radio.

(on camera): The industry faults government for not making rail security a priority. Since 9/11, rail systems around the country have received grant money worth about $100 million. Aviation, in contrast, has received $11.8 billion.

Jeanne Meserve, CNN, Washington.

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COOPER: Well, in Europe, train attacks are not common, certainly, but they're not exactly new. Let's flashback to two deadly attacks.

1995: July 25, a Paris subway, rush hour, a gas canister packed with nails and bolts explodes. Eight dead, more than 200 injured. This was the first of eight bombings that terrorized France during four months. After a long investigation, which ended in a televised manhunt, the main suspect, a French Islamic radical, was shot dead by police.

Flash forward now to last September. Another train attack. Southern Russia this time. Four people killed, 49 wounded. A bomb ripped through a crowded passenger train. Chechen separatists were blamed.

Today, President Bush traveled to New York to honor victims of September 11. That comes as new campaign ads tout him as a leader against terrorism.

More now from senior White House correspondent John King.

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JOHN KING, CNN SR. WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At the groundbreaking of a 9/11 memorial on Long Island, 30 months to the day after the terrorist attacks, solemn at this event, but on the attack in new TV ads. In one, Mr. Bush himself suggests Senator Kerry is not up to the terrorism challenge.

BUSH: We can go forward with confidence, resolve and hope, or we can turn back to the dangerous solution that terrorists are not plotting and outlaw regimes are no threat.

KING: The second new Bush ad take much sharper aim, saying a Kerry presidency would mean at least $900 billion in new taxes and less resolve on the war in terror.

NARRATOR: And he wanted to delay defending America until the United Nations approved. John Kerry, wrong on taxes, wrong on defense.

KING: The Kerry campaign challenged the accuracy of the Bush ads. The senator himself took issue with their tone.

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There is a Republican attack squad that specializes in trying to destroy people and be negative. I think the president needs to talk about the real priorities of our country.

KING: The Bush campaign says taxes and terrorism are top priorities, and said if Senator Kerry takes issue with the $900 billion figure, he should spell out just how he would pay for his promises on other health care and other issues. The intensity of the campaign is extraordinary for March. The economy now a daily focus of the slugfest.

BUSH: Did you hear we're going to repeal the tax cut? That's Washington, D.C. code for I'm fixing to raise your taxes. That's what that means.

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KING: A victory of sorts for Senator Kerry in the economic debate tonight. Earlier today, he criticized the president's planned choice for a new (UNINTELLIGIBLE) manufacturing czar, saying that businessmen had laid off workers in the United States and built a plant in China. The White House called that attack unfair. But, Anderson, a short time ago, that businessman withdrew his name from consideration.

COOPER: Interesting. All right. John King, thanks from the White House.

Now, as John mentioned, Senator Kerry is at the center of a, well, a war of words, you might say, his words. The senator made a couple of comments yesterday after his speech which were caught on tape. He calls some Republican political operatives -- and I quote -- "the most crooked, lying group of people" he's ever seen.

Republican operatives say his remarking are outrageous. And today, they struck back.

Bob Franken covers it from Capitol Hill.

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BOB FRANKEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): John Kerry on the day he clinched his party's nomination, has done something exceedingly bipartisan. He has thrown red meat to Democrats and Republicans alike.

REP. TOM DELAY (R), MAJORITY LEADER: To call people liars and crooks and, particularly, in thinking that you were off mike, just shows you who the real person is. Not the person that is set up and coifed for a town meeting or speech, but the real person. And I think America got a glimpse of the real John Kerry.

FRANKEN: The real John Kerry was cruising from one happy meeting of unifying Democrats to another, while Republicans demanded an apology.

KERRY: I have no intention whatsoever of apologizing for my remarks. I think the -- I think the Republicans need to start talking about the real issues before the country.

FRANKEN: In fact, the many Democrats who believe their politicians have so often rolled over and played dead in the face of Republican attacks are delighted at all this.

MICHAEL MEEHAN, SR. ADVISER, KERRY CAMPAIGN: We're going to fight back, absolutely. We're going to spend the next eight months fighting back on that.

FRANKEN (on camera): It looks like Democrats and Republicans alike are about to heed the challenge and bring it on.

Bob Franken, CNN, Washington.

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COOPER: Well, the Kerry campaign is also facing a new poll just released by the Wall Street Journal and NBC News. Take a look.

It shows that Kerry is trailing President Bush 45 to 47. Now, the difference between the two men is within the margin of error of the poll. And at the same time, there are two other polls that show Kerry leading President Bush between 52 and 53 percent to 44 percent. So take it all for what it's worth.

An American woman accused of spying for Iraq. Could it be true? Did this woman, this ex congressional aide, and a former journalist feed information to Saddam Hussein or some of his cronies? We'll take a closer look at that.

Also tonight, new information about the six sons of Saddam. Remember these guys? You may be surprised to hear where Uday and Qusay actually spent some of their last days in hiding. We'll tell you where.

And a little later, a disturbing story just got a whole lot worse. The pig farm murders: is it possible an accused serial killer turned his victims into food? That's what authorities might think. We're going to go live to the scene of the alleged crime.

First, let's take a look "Inside the Box" and the top stories on tonight's network newscasts.

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COOPER: We're tracking a number of developing stories around the globe right now. Let's check the UpLink.

No refuge for Saddam's sons. U.S. officials confirm that Uday and Qusay spent time in Syria after the U.S. invaded their country. But they say the two were eventually kicked out by the Syrian government. Saddam's sons, of course, were killed in a shootout with American forces in Iraq on July 22.

No early parole for Manuel Noriega. That's the word. The U.S. parole commission has denied the former Panamanian dictator to be released early from his Florida prison cell. He is serving 30 years on a drug trafficking conviction. With time off for good behavior -- apparently he's been behaving well -- Noriega is due to be released in 2007. Toronto, Canada: Canucks' star Todd Bertuzzi's season, well, it is over. The NHL suspended him for attacking Colorado rookie Steve Moore. Moore has a broken neck. And in tearful remarks last night, Bertuzzi says he is truly sorry.

Bertuzzi stands to forfeit more than $500,000 in salary. His team, the Canucks, will pay a $250,000 fine. A police investigation, however, continues.

Dying to tell the story. Because of the war in Iraq, the number of journalists killed while doing their jobs nearly doubled in 2003. An alarming statistic. The committee to protect journalists says that at least 36 journalists died while covering conflicts last year.

And if you thought Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ" stirred some controversy, just listen to this. In Mexico, a 16-year-old film is finally making its debut. This movie, Martin Scorsese's "The Last Temptation of Christ," opens in theaters tomorrow. The heavily Catholic country has outlawed the film since 1988 and says it portrayed a weak-willed Jesus Christ. Mexicans will finally have the chance to decide for themselves.

And that's a look at the "UpLink."

Pig farm murders coming up. Did an accused serial killer turn his victims into food for his family and friends? It defies belief, but it's just a remarkable story. We're going to go live to Vancouver for that.

Also tonight, raw politics. Candidates, you better smile when you talk off the cuff, because chances are you're on Candid Camera.

And a Grammy award winner accused of chord pornography. Why some charges against R. Kelly are getting thrown out by the judge.

Be right back.

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COOPER: So a shocking twist to Canada's worst serial killing case. We told you yesterday about the suburban pig farm where police found the remains of dozens of missing women. Well, today, health officials are warning of an appalling and possibly hazardous development.

CNN's Kimberly Osias reports.

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KIMBERLY OSIAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He is charged with being Canada's most prolific killer, 54-year-old Robert William Pickton, more commonly known as the pig farmer. He is facing 15 counts of first-degree murder in cases stemming from the disappearance of more than 60 women. Now, word that meat from his farm may have been contaminated with remains of the women he killed. DR. PERRY KENDALL, BC MINISTRY OF HEALTH SERVICES: Cross- contamination could mean that human remains did get into or contaminate some of the pork meat that was produced.

OSIAS (on camera): Although not even licensed to slaughter pork, Pickton distributed the meat to family and friends. He even had an after-hours hot spot where alcohol and pork was served. Patrons and those in the know called it Piggy's Palace.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are a few signs (ph) probably ate the pork there. Are you worried about that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, not at all. Not at all.

OSIAS (voice-over): His alleged victims were prostitutes, drug addicts and runaways, women from downtown Vancouver's east side.

ERNIE CRAY, VICTIM'S BROTHER: When the investigation was under -- in full swing...

OSIAS: Ernie Cray just learned last month that the remains of his sister, Dawn (ph), were found on Pickton's farm. He reacted to the latest developments in the case with disgust and disdain.

CRAY: I felt confused about it. I was immediately filled with anxiety about what it was that I was hearing.

OSIAS: Pickton is not expected to stand trial until late this year or 2005.

In Port Coquitlan, British Columbia, I'm Kimberly Osias.

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COOPER: Kimberly Osias joins us now.

Kimberly, you have been away the community a lot today. What kind of reaction are you hearing from people who might have eaten this tainted meat?

OSIAS: Well, Anderson, this is a very small town. In fact, Pickton's own brother, David, lives about a half a mile from where we're standing. And many people I spoke to really just didn't want to good on camera because they said this is a very influential family.

In fact, they have close ties to the Hell's Angels. And they were worried about retribution. However, they did tell me they weren't so much worried about their health. But as you can obviously imagine, they thought it was absolutely disgusting.

COOPER: The story's just surreal. Piggy's Palace, the Hell's Angels, contaminated meat, I don't think you could get any weirder.

Kimberly Osias, appreciate it. Thanks.

OSIAS: Absolutely not. COOPER: All right.

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COOPER (voice-over): On the campaign trail, a war of words. Did Kerry go too far? We'll talk with his stepson, Chris Heinz.

And just when you thought "Sex and the City" was over, now it is on sale.

360 continues.

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COOPER: For the "Reset," tonight's top stories.

In Madrid: 10 nearly simultaneous strikes at train stations. The worst terror attack in the country's history. The pictures speak for themselves. The government is blaming the Basque separatist group ETA, but it's also investigating a possible al Qaeda link. Simply don't know at this time. More on the attack in just a moment.

In Washington: Halliburton's problems just keep on growing. The company now admits giving wrong cost estimates for $2.7 billion last year in services to American troops in Iraq and Kuwait. According to documents released today by the Defense Department, Halliburton apparently acknowledged the faulty information to Pentagon auditors.

In California now: investigating soaring gas prices. The Federal Trade Commission has opened an informal probe into the price hikes, which so far cannot be explained. Motorists are paying more than $2 a gallon there.

Still in Washington: more money means more audits. The Internal Revenue Service says high-income taxpayers faced more audits last year. The agency said audits of tax payers earning $100,000 or more increased 24 percent in 2003. It seems that group is more likely to evade collectors, perhaps. That's one theory.

In Colorado: Kobe Bryant's accuser will take the stand. The state's Supreme Court has ruled that the 19-year-old woman must testify about her past sexual history. The questioning will be in a closed hearing in line with the state's rape shield law.

That's a quick look at the "Reset."

Now, our top story. According to one report, amidst the carnage of today's terror attacks in Spain, amidst the dead, the dying, the sound of ringing cell phones could be heard. Families nervous for news, calling their loved ones hoping they had survived. Right now, 192 people are known dead, 1,400 injured. Let's go live to Madrid where many of the families are gathering. Alessio Vinci is there. Alessio, what's the latest? ALESSIO VINCI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Anderson. Well the bodies of some of those 192 victims are being brought here in the building behind me. This is usually a convention hall. One of the places was turned into a makeshift morgue where, throughout the afternoon and evening several ambulances as well as hearses and minivans transporting some of the remains of those victims have been brought to this building.

As well, of course, many of the families of the relatives of the victims have been brought here. The painful identification procedure to try to find out and connect some of the bodies with some names. Red Cross officials are telling us that the procedure to identify some of these victims is extremely difficult because some of the bodies were so close to the explosives that they are now beyond recognition.

A team of forensic experts from Israel has been brought, has been invited by the Spanish government to come here. They are expected to arrive here at some point tomorrow with the aim to help out, speed up the procedure.

Also inside this makeshift morgue, Spanish officials, rescue officials have tried to help out some of the families, the relatives of the victims with some psychological help. We see some priests as well, in order to give some people also some spiritual help.

One Red Cross official with whom we managed to talk earlier today told us about how difficult it will be to give a name to all of the victims.

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VINCI (voice-over): In many cases they found fragment of bodies which were staggered over a large area, he says. It will be difficult to find a way to identify the people closest to the explosions.

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VINCI: Meanwhile, Queen Sophia, her son Prince Felipe and soon to be wife, has visited a hospital in Madrid meeting with the relatives. The King of Spain, Juan Carlos, briefly addressed Spaniards on a taped address on television telling Spaniards, your king is suffering with you. Meanwhile, also, Jose Maria Aznard, the prime minister of Spain, has called for large demonstrations tomorrow throughout the nation. But in the meantime, a small demonstration took place in Madrid with a few hundred people chanting for peace. Back to you, Anderson.

COOPER: All right, Alessio, thanks so much from Madrid. So much sadness today and so many questions remain. The main one, who, who may be behind the attacks in Spain? Officials say ETA may be behind it, Basque separatists. But some see signs of al Qaeda.

Joining us to talk about, from Washington, CNN terrorism analyst, Peter Bergen and anti-terrorism expert Jeff Beatty, president of Total Security US. Appreciate you being on the show. Peter, let me start off with you. The Spanish government says this is probably ETA, although they are leaving the door open to it being some al Qaeda or al Qaeda-related attack. What argues against this not being an ETA attack?

PETER BERGEN, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST: Well, we don't know, obviously, who it is, Anderson, as you pointed out. But here are the four or five reasons it might be al Qaeda. One, bin Laden has called for attacks on Spain as recently as October of last year because of Spain's active participation in the Iraq war.

Two, Spain was the scene where Mohammed Atta visited Spain in the course of the 9/11 plot, the lead hijacker. A place where al Qaeda has infrastructure.

Three, Spain has taken a proactive role in tracking down al Qaeda. Judge Garcon, one of the most prominent judges there, has actually indicted bin Laden for his roll in the 9/11 attacks in Spain, in the jurisdiction where that happened. So, there's a lot of reasons it could be al Qaeda.

On the flip side, ETA has never carried out this kind of attack. This kind of scale, simultaneous 200 people are approximately dead. Terrorist groups like ETA or the IRA in Ireland tend not to carry out attacks where this many people killed, because you have a reaction of popular revulsion against the group and you also have such a strong government crackdown that it really doesn't make sense to carry out the attacks.

COOPER: Jeff, as you look at the details of this attack, ten near simultaneous explosions, a couple thwarted on backpacks, what details jump out at you, Jeff?

JEFF BEATTY, PRES. TOTAL SECURITY U.S.: Well, what jump out to me again, was, again an al Qaeda trait, which was a low tech but high concept approach. You can't get more low tech than package bombs. And here they were, effectively deployed. It would have taken between four and eight people to prosecute this attack.

And that to me says, you don't want to leave any stone unturned. You don't want to immediately rule out one group or another. And I'm afraid of the possibility exist that is with the rush to judgment this morning, of thinking it might be ETA, that perhaps some immediate investigative leads are lost. People might have been able to get out of the country, because while you're look for ETA, over here you have maybe the real suspects leaving the country.

So that's the danger, just like we saw here in Oklahoma City, the immediate reaction was has to be Middle Eastern terrorist when, in fact, it turned out to be Timothy McVeigh and we were just lucky to catch him.

COOPER: Peter, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't there a reason Andalucia in Spain, aren't there some, I don't know if it's al Qaeda, but there some group that want -- Muslim groups in there want to secede Andalucia, am I correct in that, or am I completely off base? BERGEN: No, no, absolutely. One of al Qaeda's constantly called for the has return of Andalucia, that part of the Muslim empire 500 years ago. And it's one of their kind of pieces of rhetoric that we're going to take back Andalucia.

So Spain is really a subject that they have focused in the past. This would represent the first time they've been able to strike in Europe successfully since 9/11. There were attacks in Istanbul. There's a debate whether that's in Europe or not, but it would represent a really, unfortunately, a large step forward in that capacity to attack the west.

COOPER: Jeff, just very briefly, this group, Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigade, they said they sent on e-mail to a paper in London saying it was an al Qaeda attack. They've also claimed credit for the blackout here in the U.S. in the summer. Do you give credit to the group?

BEATTY: No, I don't put much credit to the group. Again, I don't want to rule anything out. But the timing of it, if you look at the timeline of the attack and how long did it take to type out their memo and then send to send it off, it would was going to be more credible it should have happened the instant the attacks pressed home. So, I don't give it awful lot of credence.

COOPER: All right, Jeff Beatty and Peter Bergen, appreciate you joining us. Thank you very much

Again, we continue to follow this story all throughout this next hour and throughout this evening here on CNN. We're going to bring you any details as warranted.

Today, back here at home, controversy. Republicans going on the offensive of John Kerry accusing him after smear campaign, that's what he said, because of what Kerry said yesterday.

Today, the Senator says he's not sorry about crooked Republicans. Whether you agree with him or not, we think candidates talking off the cuff, it is a rare glimpse of real, raw politics.

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COOPER (voice-over): Political lesson No. 1, when you're wired for sound, even if you're not on, your microphone may be.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep smiling.

SEN. JOHN KERRY, (D-MA) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Oh, don't worry, man. We're going to keep pounding, let me tell you. Just beginning the fight here. These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group I've ever seen.

COOPER: He might not have chosen to have them recorded, today John Kerry says he stands by them and will not apologize. Republicans say they're outraged by the remarks, but it is certainly not the first time we have heard a candidate being candid. Four years ago, then Governor Bush didn't know his mic was on when he used a crude expletive to describe about a reporter. Bush later apologized.

And remember 1984 when Ronald Reagan made a joke while testing a microphone before a radio address?

RONALD REAGAN, FRM PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: All right. My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that would outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.

COOPER: Why does anyone care about the captured comments? Perhaps because in this age of prepackaged, prescripted politics, hearing something unexpected is, well, unexpected.

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COOPER: That's raw politics for tonight.

Our next guest knows all about candid comments on the campaign trail. Chris Heinz, he's John Kerry's stepson. His mother is Teresa Heinz-Kerry. I asked him whether he thought his stepdad's comments were a mistake.

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CHRIS HEINZ, JOHN KERRY'S STEPSON: It was off the record. Regardless whether it was physically on the record or not, certainly I think that the GOP and the political operatives have a history of being more than aggressive.

COOPER: Is this just part of politics or do you think your stepdad really...?

HEINZ: And the president? I don't think he was referring to the president.

COOPER: And he's come out saying he wasn't, he was referring to referring to Republican attack dogs.

HEINZ: Right. And those are two different things. Both the president and my stepfather are professionals in that sense.

COOPER: Senator Kerry, he has been tough on President Bush, called it arrogant, inept, reckless. He said the president was playing dress-up on an aircraft carrier. Are you surprised at sort of the level of, or at least the war of words so early on in the campaign?

HEINZ: No. We just went through a Democratic primary. The level of anger towards this president in that group of voters is much more severe than the words that John used to describe the president's foreign policy.

COOPER: Do you find yourself being called upon to do things that surprise you? I know one point you were called to do your Arnold Schwarzenegger impression.

HEINZ: Yes. I've been called upon not to do it anymore.

COOPER: That means I can't ask you to do it.

HEINZ: Hey. Just being asked that is surprising enough.

COOPER: I read that your mom had some concerns about the campaign. She is now out on the campaign trail. Did you talk about that with her? What were those conversations like?

HEINZ: Well, we've had a few surreal conversations as a family. It is just an intimidating process. We've been talking about the press intensity and I would be lying to say we weren't happy normal people before who didn't think we were jumping off into a big chasm.

COOPER: Your late father, Senator John Heinz, was Republican. Were you Republican before? Where do you see yourself now in the political realm?

HEINZ: I admit I'm a Democrat. If you would have asked me probably until the time I was 18 when my father died, I probably would have answered I was Republican. And I' say over the last 12, 13 years from what I've seen, the Republican party shifted (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

COOPER: You've grown up with politics all your life, grown up in a political family. I understand that when you were younger, I think I read in the "Times," you even went to Camp David with the first President Bush. What was that like?

HEINZ: It was great. I went there with my brother and my father. Just like anything, you look around with wide eyes. It was a mystical place, helicopters and marines everywhere. It was pretty wild.

COOPER: Do you want to get back to Camp David some time?

HEINZ: Yes. I would like to earn John the right to take us to Camp David. I'm working hard for that. Otherwise, not really.

COOPER: We'll leave it there. Thanks.

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COOPER: Chris Heinz. On a lighter note, as you just heard on campaign insider, he's developed quite a reputation for his impersonation of a certain California governor. He wouldn't do the imitation for me. But that, too, was caught on tape a while back. Let's take a look.

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HEINZ: It's great to be here. How you doing? You did not know I was coming. I checked with Maria. She said, come on up. It's all right. But I want to say only one Democrat in my mind has the power to pump up the whole country in 2004. That's John Kerry.

(END VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: Once on tape, it never goes away.

A setback for Florida prosecutors in the case against R. Kelly. That's right. The R&B crooner. Coming up, digital pictures and charges of child porn. That's what a judge decided on today. We'll tell you.

Also tonight. Martha, Martha, Martha Stewart. Of course, the media has gone nuts, the cliches are flying and we can't get enough. It is tonight's "Overkill."

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COOPER: In "Justice Served" tonight, R&B singer R. Kelly scored a huge hit today, not on the Billboard charts but a Florida courtroom. A judge ruled that photos Kelly allegedly having sex with a minor cannot be used in a child pornography trial. Take a look.

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COOPER (voice-over): Acting on this search warrant for R. Kelly's Florida home, detectives discovered a digital camera with 12 photos allegedly showing the singer engaging in sex acts with an underage girl. The warrant stated, quote, "it is apparent that Robert Kelly is involved in the production and possession of child pornography. I personally recovered images of Robert Kelly engage in a sexual conduct with a child." But defense attorneys argue that the pictures found inside a camera, inside a duffel bag were illegally seized. Today, Judge Dennis Maloney agreed.

ED GENSON, R. KELLY'S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The search was ruled to be illegal, and the next step now, we would believe, would be the dismissal of the charges.

COOPER: The state's attorney's office basically agreed and told CNN that, "if we choose not to appeal or if we lost the appeal, that would terminate the prosecution in Polk county."

Kelly is still being prosecuted in Chicago where he pleaded not guilty to 14 counts of child pornography. The Cook county's attorney's office tells CNN they have a videotape which they say clearly shows R. Kelly having sex with an underage girl. If you thought all the charges might have hurt R. Kelly's career, consider this. His last CD, "Chocolate Factory" went double platinum and was nominated for two Grammys. And this past December, he took home four Billboard music awards. Oh, and one more not. How did R. Kelly take today's news from Florida?

GENSON: I said congratulations. He said, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said, let's go to Disneyland.

COOPER: He better not throw away his attorney's business card anytime soon.

(END VIDEOTAPE) COOPER: R. Kelly accused of child porn heading to Disneyland. Lisa Bloom from Court TV joins us to talk about it.

LISA BLOOM, ANCHOR, COURT TV: Hopefully not.

COOPER: Yes, that's really the kind of commercial I think Disneyland is very excited to hear, that R. Kelly is heading there. If you were the prosecutor in Florida, would you just -- would you appeal this judge's decision?

BLOOM: Well, they've got two choices now. Their best evidence in the case is gone. They either have to appeal that decision and get it reversed or dismiss the charges in their entirety. You can't go forward in a child porn case without the pornography to show to the jury.

COOPER: Right. Now there are still these 14 counts in Chicago. Originally they had brought 21 counts against this guy in Chicago. Now it is down to 14. That's not a good sign to dropping off the charges.

BLOOM: You're right. And a couple of weeks ago the prosecutors voluntarily dismissed seven of those charges, solicitation to pornography on the grounds that that statute was enacted after the alleged act in the case. So the case is getting whittled down slowly but surely against R. Kelly.

COOPER: Now the state, in Chicago, the attorney general's office says that they have this videotape they say it allegedly shows an underage woman having -- underage girl having sex with R. Kelly, various other things being done to her. Now, there's this report out there that the girl in question is denying she's the girl in the tape.

BLOOM: Right. The prosecution needs to show, of course, it was, in fact, an underage girl on the tape, not just that it looked like an underage girl.

COOPER: If she's not willing to come forward, there is no case.

BLOOM: Absolutely. Unless there is another witness who can conclusively show this girl is, in fact, underage and it is who we think it is. Without her and without R. Kelly, it will be a tough case for prosecutors.

COOPER: It is amazing to me -- I mean, you know, innocent until proven guilty -- it is interesting though that this has not in any way it seems affected R. Kelly's career. He's getting numerous awards. Even, I think, this past weekend NAACP awards.

BLOOM: Nominated for those Image awards, Anderson. And I've got to tell you, you know, he settled two civil cases alleging sex with underage girls, has these two criminal cases with a lot of counts of child porn, both possessing it and being part of it, actually participating in the sex acts with underage girls. I think he was a very poor choice for those awards. COOPER: He points out across the board he is not guilty, does not do it, has no interest in it, and is innocent of all these charges.

BLOOM: And he could very well get a defense verdict on the remaining charges.

COOPER: All right, Lisa Bloom, thanks very much. So want to hear what Carrie Bradshaw wore? Well, now's your chance. Coming up, "Sex and the City" on sale. At least, the clothes are.

Also tonight, Oprah Winfrey makes "The Current" for being such a generous boss. Almost as generous as me. Be right back.

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COOPER: OK, so I know this has been a very hard time covering "Sex and The City" addicts, in particular Mark Levinson (ph). Even though you to bid farewell to the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) show, hundreds of you lined up to grab a piece of fashion history.

Thankfully, Jeanne Moos was there.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If you said good bye to "Sex and the City," Now say...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello lover.

MOOS: To shoes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Aren't they fabulous.

MOOS: Tops. You name it. Cast away from the cast of "Sex and the City." The line outside a second-hand consignment shop wound around the block.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're armed with our heel and our credit cards we are ready to go.

MOOS: The first one rushing the door was a law student, she ended up with a striped dress, pink sandals and bra.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know who were it, but it's pink, and it pretty and was cheap.

MOOS: Every once in a while someone let out a scream -- when they recognized a piece of clothing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She wore this when they had sex for the first time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The boots. I remember when these were on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anyone want Miranda's skinny jeans? MOOS: Even the owner of Ina (ph) kept a little something.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I got this little necklace.

MOOS: Prices range from 10 bucks to $5,000.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Carrie wore this hat in the episode where her and Charlotte are sitting and rating the guys in New York City on who they would sleep with or not. So there you go.

SARAH JESSICA PARKER, ACTOR: Men who are too good looking they are never good in bed because they never had to be.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I dated plenty of the men here, and they were definitely not so good.

MOOS: That probably went over the head of the youngest shopper, Ricardo (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He watched the last episode, and he loved it.

MOOS: Now, Ricardo can cuddle up and watch reruns using Carrie's bath robe as a blankie.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

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COOPER: Man that show had great demographics.

Time to check on pop news in tonight's "The Current." Lets take a look.

Dr. Seuss is getting a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. It's a fit tribute to Theodore Geisel, a man who made some of the strangest characters famous. He will now always be surrounded by some of the oddest of odd balls in L.A.

Playboy Magazine, wants the women of the "Apprentice" to appear in their magazine. They've offered each contestant 250,000 dollars to take their close off. Twice that if Donald takes his hair off. That's Larry King touching Donald's hair.

Not so newlywed Jessica Simpson has good news. Her CD, "In This Skin" it's called, has jumped to number two on Nelson (ph) sound scan charts, selling some 160,000 copies.

In a related story, rock and roll is dead.

Oprah Winfrey likes to treat her staff well to thank them for doing such a great job. She's treated them to a week-long, all expense paid vacation in Mexico. I don't like to brag, I, too, like to reward people on my staff. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: Appreciate all your hard work. OK, work a little harder.

OK, thanks very much Gil (ph), appreciate, it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thanks, Anderson.

COOPER: Mr. Cooper, please. Thank you, OK.

And Jeff, appreciate it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's bob.

COOPER: What?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's bob.

COOPER: Yes -- whatever.

Thanks very much. Appreciate it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thanks. Ben Affleck's right, he's a jerk.

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COOPER: Yes. Well, maybe.

Dissecting domestic divahood coming up on the "Nth Degree" that is next. Getting to the root of the phase.

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COOPER: Tonight, taking cliches to the "Nth Degree."

What will people think when they look back at the news of our day and all the newscasters referring to a domestic diva named Martha Stewart. They'll go to dictionaries and see domestic had many meanings, living near or about human habitations, tame, of or relating to the household or the family. And diva is from the Latin for goddess, after which the definition adds see, prima donna, the principal female singer in an opera.

Tame goddess, household singer?

Our descendants will think we're pretty strange either way, hiring people to sing for us at home or with pet goddesses traipsing along in our foot steps like cats with super powers. So, this is for the time capsule, Dear descendants, domestic diva wasn't a category. There was only one. And we think the title, like a basketball players numbered jersey, should be retired. Monogrammed on a tasteful towel perhaps, hung from the rafters, never to be heard from again.

I'm Anderson Cooper, thanks for watching. I'll be on "NEWSNIGHT" tonight at 10:00 Eastern. Coming up next "PAULA ZAHN NOW."

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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST (voice-over): Chaos and carnage: a massive terror attack in Spain. Who's to blame?

A spy in our midst? An American woman is charged with giving secrets to Iraq.

On the campaign trail, a war of words. Did Kerry go to far? We'll talk with his stepson Chris Heinz.

Contaminated pork? You won't believe what police found on a suspected serial killer's pig farm.

Just when you thought "Sex and the City" was over, now it is on sale.

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ANNOUNCER: Live, from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

COOPER: Good evening. Welcome to 360.

In Spain, at this moment, they are still counting the bodies. At least 190 people are dead, more than 1,000 injured. Ten bombs nearly all carried in backpacks turned Madrid's early morning commute into a death trap.

Christiane Amanpour is there.

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CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For the Spanish, Atocha is now a station of horror. At 7:30 this mornings, the young and the old were heading into school and to work when massive explosions ripped great holes into their commuter train.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I could hear people screaming. I don't know. It's something that I can't explain. I will not recommend (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

AMANPOUR: Suddenly, in central Madrid, there were makeshift morgues flooded with desperate families. Mobile phones of the dead could still be heard ringing. Hearses wound through the streets, carrying bodies away from the carnage. Ordinary citizens lined up to donate blood. It is as close to a war zone as this generation has seen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I saw dramatic scenes of people covered in blood.

AMANPOUR: You knew the remains of a woman lay here by the stilettos that poked from the blanket. Elsewhere, limbs severed from torsos lay in pools of blood. And even the very young joined in hauling away the dead and wounded.

Spanish officials say ETA, the armed Basque separatist group, is their prime suspect for now. But they say they have found detonators and a tape of Koranic versus in a van near the commuter route.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Because of this, I have just given instruction to the security forces not to rule out any line of investigation.

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AMANPOUR: So who is responsible? Who is to blame? Spanish authorities still saying ETA is the prime suspect, but they are continuing a New line of investigation because of those tapes, because of the detonators that were found.

Meanwhile, the Spanish prime minister calling for mass rallies Friday night in a show of defiance against the killers -- Anderson.

COOPER: A sad night, indeed. Christiane Amanpour from Madrid. Thanks very much, Christiane.

People all over Spain, as Christiane mentioned, are mourning the lives taken today. A minute of silence was observed throughout the country. Thousands joined in cities, like this scene from Bilbao, to remember the victims of the terror attacks. And flags were lowered to half-staff.

There has been a claim of responsibility for today's attacks, but by a group with a questionable record. A group called the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigade faxed a letter to an Arab newspaper based in London. The letter claims credit for today's blast on behalf of al Qaeda, and says the terror group is "90 percent ready to attack the United States" in what it calls the black winds of death.

Well, they certainly have a flare for the dramatic. Intelligence sources have consistently told CNN that Abu Hafs al-Masri does not speak for al Qaeda. It has claimed credit for previous attacks blamed on al Qaeda. It has also claimed responsibility for the U.S. power blackout last summer, a claim dismissed by just about everyone.

Earlier today, President Bush spoke about the terror attacks. This is what he said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We weep with the families, we stand strong with the people of Spain.

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COOPER: Coming up, we're going to talk to two terrorism experts on who may be responsible. We are covering this story all throughout this next hour. We will bring you any details as they develop.

The attack in Spain has caused concern in the U.S. Every day, of course, millions of us use commuter trains to get to and from work. Tonight, some of us will no doubt be looking around a bit more carefully as we make our way home.

CNN's Jeanne Meserve reports on the danger close to home.

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JEANNE MESERVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Could this happen here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Certainly it could.

MESERVE: The signs at the Amtrak counter say IDs are required to buy a ticket. But no one checked mine just hours after the attack in Spain. As for my bag, there was no screening of any type. In many places, there is easy access to rail tracks and often to rail cars, which then travel past major population centers and critical infrastructure.

SEN. JOSEPH BIDEN (D), DELAWARE: There really is no American train security.

MESERVE: The rail industry says the sheer numbers makes screening of passengers and baggage impractical.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To put it in perspective, every day, two million Americans use the airline system, and 32 million times a day Americans use our public transit systems. So 16 times more.

MESERVE: Since 9/11, rail systems have deployed more bomb- sniffing dogs. There are more cameras, more police. The industry also has a 24-hour information sharing and analysis center, or ISAC, which receives and shares information on terrorist threats.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then it's a sift and sort process to try to determine what of that information that's out there about the incident has taken place would be valuable.

MESERVE: The federal government says one of its accomplishments is sharing timely threat information with the rail industry. But this morning, the ISAC analysts found out about the Madrid train bombing from local news radio.

(on camera): The industry faults government for not making rail security a priority. Since 9/11, rail systems around the country have received grant money worth about $100 million. Aviation, in contrast, has received $11.8 billion.

Jeanne Meserve, CNN, Washington.

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COOPER: Well, in Europe, train attacks are not common, certainly, but they're not exactly new. Let's flashback to two deadly attacks.

1995: July 25, a Paris subway, rush hour, a gas canister packed with nails and bolts explodes. Eight dead, more than 200 injured. This was the first of eight bombings that terrorized France during four months. After a long investigation, which ended in a televised manhunt, the main suspect, a French Islamic radical, was shot dead by police.

Flash forward now to last September. Another train attack. Southern Russia this time. Four people killed, 49 wounded. A bomb ripped through a crowded passenger train. Chechen separatists were blamed.

Today, President Bush traveled to New York to honor victims of September 11. That comes as new campaign ads tout him as a leader against terrorism.

More now from senior White House correspondent John King.

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JOHN KING, CNN SR. WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At the groundbreaking of a 9/11 memorial on Long Island, 30 months to the day after the terrorist attacks, solemn at this event, but on the attack in new TV ads. In one, Mr. Bush himself suggests Senator Kerry is not up to the terrorism challenge.

BUSH: We can go forward with confidence, resolve and hope, or we can turn back to the dangerous solution that terrorists are not plotting and outlaw regimes are no threat.

KING: The second new Bush ad take much sharper aim, saying a Kerry presidency would mean at least $900 billion in new taxes and less resolve on the war in terror.

NARRATOR: And he wanted to delay defending America until the United Nations approved. John Kerry, wrong on taxes, wrong on defense.

KING: The Kerry campaign challenged the accuracy of the Bush ads. The senator himself took issue with their tone.

SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There is a Republican attack squad that specializes in trying to destroy people and be negative. I think the president needs to talk about the real priorities of our country.

KING: The Bush campaign says taxes and terrorism are top priorities, and said if Senator Kerry takes issue with the $900 billion figure, he should spell out just how he would pay for his promises on other health care and other issues. The intensity of the campaign is extraordinary for March. The economy now a daily focus of the slugfest.

BUSH: Did you hear we're going to repeal the tax cut? That's Washington, D.C. code for I'm fixing to raise your taxes. That's what that means.

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KING: A victory of sorts for Senator Kerry in the economic debate tonight. Earlier today, he criticized the president's planned choice for a new (UNINTELLIGIBLE) manufacturing czar, saying that businessmen had laid off workers in the United States and built a plant in China. The White House called that attack unfair. But, Anderson, a short time ago, that businessman withdrew his name from consideration.

COOPER: Interesting. All right. John King, thanks from the White House.

Now, as John mentioned, Senator Kerry is at the center of a, well, a war of words, you might say, his words. The senator made a couple of comments yesterday after his speech which were caught on tape. He calls some Republican political operatives -- and I quote -- "the most crooked, lying group of people" he's ever seen.

Republican operatives say his remarking are outrageous. And today, they struck back.

Bob Franken covers it from Capitol Hill.

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BOB FRANKEN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): John Kerry on the day he clinched his party's nomination, has done something exceedingly bipartisan. He has thrown red meat to Democrats and Republicans alike.

REP. TOM DELAY (R), MAJORITY LEADER: To call people liars and crooks and, particularly, in thinking that you were off mike, just shows you who the real person is. Not the person that is set up and coifed for a town meeting or speech, but the real person. And I think America got a glimpse of the real John Kerry.

FRANKEN: The real John Kerry was cruising from one happy meeting of unifying Democrats to another, while Republicans demanded an apology.

KERRY: I have no intention whatsoever of apologizing for my remarks. I think the -- I think the Republicans need to start talking about the real issues before the country.

FRANKEN: In fact, the many Democrats who believe their politicians have so often rolled over and played dead in the face of Republican attacks are delighted at all this.

MICHAEL MEEHAN, SR. ADVISER, KERRY CAMPAIGN: We're going to fight back, absolutely. We're going to spend the next eight months fighting back on that.

FRANKEN (on camera): It looks like Democrats and Republicans alike are about to heed the challenge and bring it on.

Bob Franken, CNN, Washington.

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COOPER: Well, the Kerry campaign is also facing a new poll just released by the Wall Street Journal and NBC News. Take a look.

It shows that Kerry is trailing President Bush 45 to 47. Now, the difference between the two men is within the margin of error of the poll. And at the same time, there are two other polls that show Kerry leading President Bush between 52 and 53 percent to 44 percent. So take it all for what it's worth.

An American woman accused of spying for Iraq. Could it be true? Did this woman, this ex congressional aide, and a former journalist feed information to Saddam Hussein or some of his cronies? We'll take a closer look at that.

Also tonight, new information about the six sons of Saddam. Remember these guys? You may be surprised to hear where Uday and Qusay actually spent some of their last days in hiding. We'll tell you where.

And a little later, a disturbing story just got a whole lot worse. The pig farm murders: is it possible an accused serial killer turned his victims into food? That's what authorities might think. We're going to go live to the scene of the alleged crime.

First, let's take a look "Inside the Box" and the top stories on tonight's network newscasts.

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COOPER: We're tracking a number of developing stories around the globe right now. Let's check the UpLink.

No refuge for Saddam's sons. U.S. officials confirm that Uday and Qusay spent time in Syria after the U.S. invaded their country. But they say the two were eventually kicked out by the Syrian government. Saddam's sons, of course, were killed in a shootout with American forces in Iraq on July 22.

No early parole for Manuel Noriega. That's the word. The U.S. parole commission has denied the former Panamanian dictator to be released early from his Florida prison cell. He is serving 30 years on a drug trafficking conviction. With time off for good behavior -- apparently he's been behaving well -- Noriega is due to be released in 2007. Toronto, Canada: Canucks' star Todd Bertuzzi's season, well, it is over. The NHL suspended him for attacking Colorado rookie Steve Moore. Moore has a broken neck. And in tearful remarks last night, Bertuzzi says he is truly sorry.

Bertuzzi stands to forfeit more than $500,000 in salary. His team, the Canucks, will pay a $250,000 fine. A police investigation, however, continues.

Dying to tell the story. Because of the war in Iraq, the number of journalists killed while doing their jobs nearly doubled in 2003. An alarming statistic. The committee to protect journalists says that at least 36 journalists died while covering conflicts last year.

And if you thought Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ" stirred some controversy, just listen to this. In Mexico, a 16-year-old film is finally making its debut. This movie, Martin Scorsese's "The Last Temptation of Christ," opens in theaters tomorrow. The heavily Catholic country has outlawed the film since 1988 and says it portrayed a weak-willed Jesus Christ. Mexicans will finally have the chance to decide for themselves.

And that's a look at the "UpLink."

Pig farm murders coming up. Did an accused serial killer turn his victims into food for his family and friends? It defies belief, but it's just a remarkable story. We're going to go live to Vancouver for that.

Also tonight, raw politics. Candidates, you better smile when you talk off the cuff, because chances are you're on Candid Camera.

And a Grammy award winner accused of chord pornography. Why some charges against R. Kelly are getting thrown out by the judge.

Be right back.

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COOPER: So a shocking twist to Canada's worst serial killing case. We told you yesterday about the suburban pig farm where police found the remains of dozens of missing women. Well, today, health officials are warning of an appalling and possibly hazardous development.

CNN's Kimberly Osias reports.

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KIMBERLY OSIAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He is charged with being Canada's most prolific killer, 54-year-old Robert William Pickton, more commonly known as the pig farmer. He is facing 15 counts of first-degree murder in cases stemming from the disappearance of more than 60 women. Now, word that meat from his farm may have been contaminated with remains of the women he killed. DR. PERRY KENDALL, BC MINISTRY OF HEALTH SERVICES: Cross- contamination could mean that human remains did get into or contaminate some of the pork meat that was produced.

OSIAS (on camera): Although not even licensed to slaughter pork, Pickton distributed the meat to family and friends. He even had an after-hours hot spot where alcohol and pork was served. Patrons and those in the know called it Piggy's Palace.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are a few signs (ph) probably ate the pork there. Are you worried about that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, not at all. Not at all.

OSIAS (voice-over): His alleged victims were prostitutes, drug addicts and runaways, women from downtown Vancouver's east side.

ERNIE CRAY, VICTIM'S BROTHER: When the investigation was under -- in full swing...

OSIAS: Ernie Cray just learned last month that the remains of his sister, Dawn (ph), were found on Pickton's farm. He reacted to the latest developments in the case with disgust and disdain.

CRAY: I felt confused about it. I was immediately filled with anxiety about what it was that I was hearing.

OSIAS: Pickton is not expected to stand trial until late this year or 2005.

In Port Coquitlan, British Columbia, I'm Kimberly Osias.

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COOPER: Kimberly Osias joins us now.

Kimberly, you have been away the community a lot today. What kind of reaction are you hearing from people who might have eaten this tainted meat?

OSIAS: Well, Anderson, this is a very small town. In fact, Pickton's own brother, David, lives about a half a mile from where we're standing. And many people I spoke to really just didn't want to good on camera because they said this is a very influential family.

In fact, they have close ties to the Hell's Angels. And they were worried about retribution. However, they did tell me they weren't so much worried about their health. But as you can obviously imagine, they thought it was absolutely disgusting.

COOPER: The story's just surreal. Piggy's Palace, the Hell's Angels, contaminated meat, I don't think you could get any weirder.

Kimberly Osias, appreciate it. Thanks.

OSIAS: Absolutely not. COOPER: All right.

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COOPER (voice-over): On the campaign trail, a war of words. Did Kerry go too far? We'll talk with his stepson, Chris Heinz.

And just when you thought "Sex and the City" was over, now it is on sale.

360 continues.

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COOPER: For the "Reset," tonight's top stories.

In Madrid: 10 nearly simultaneous strikes at train stations. The worst terror attack in the country's history. The pictures speak for themselves. The government is blaming the Basque separatist group ETA, but it's also investigating a possible al Qaeda link. Simply don't know at this time. More on the attack in just a moment.

In Washington: Halliburton's problems just keep on growing. The company now admits giving wrong cost estimates for $2.7 billion last year in services to American troops in Iraq and Kuwait. According to documents released today by the Defense Department, Halliburton apparently acknowledged the faulty information to Pentagon auditors.

In California now: investigating soaring gas prices. The Federal Trade Commission has opened an informal probe into the price hikes, which so far cannot be explained. Motorists are paying more than $2 a gallon there.

Still in Washington: more money means more audits. The Internal Revenue Service says high-income taxpayers faced more audits last year. The agency said audits of tax payers earning $100,000 or more increased 24 percent in 2003. It seems that group is more likely to evade collectors, perhaps. That's one theory.

In Colorado: Kobe Bryant's accuser will take the stand. The state's Supreme Court has ruled that the 19-year-old woman must testify about her past sexual history. The questioning will be in a closed hearing in line with the state's rape shield law.

That's a quick look at the "Reset."

Now, our top story. According to one report, amidst the carnage of today's terror attacks in Spain, amidst the dead, the dying, the sound of ringing cell phones could be heard. Families nervous for news, calling their loved ones hoping they had survived. Right now, 192 people are known dead, 1,400 injured. Let's go live to Madrid where many of the families are gathering. Alessio Vinci is there. Alessio, what's the latest? ALESSIO VINCI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Anderson. Well the bodies of some of those 192 victims are being brought here in the building behind me. This is usually a convention hall. One of the places was turned into a makeshift morgue where, throughout the afternoon and evening several ambulances as well as hearses and minivans transporting some of the remains of those victims have been brought to this building.

As well, of course, many of the families of the relatives of the victims have been brought here. The painful identification procedure to try to find out and connect some of the bodies with some names. Red Cross officials are telling us that the procedure to identify some of these victims is extremely difficult because some of the bodies were so close to the explosives that they are now beyond recognition.

A team of forensic experts from Israel has been brought, has been invited by the Spanish government to come here. They are expected to arrive here at some point tomorrow with the aim to help out, speed up the procedure.

Also inside this makeshift morgue, Spanish officials, rescue officials have tried to help out some of the families, the relatives of the victims with some psychological help. We see some priests as well, in order to give some people also some spiritual help.

One Red Cross official with whom we managed to talk earlier today told us about how difficult it will be to give a name to all of the victims.

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VINCI (voice-over): In many cases they found fragment of bodies which were staggered over a large area, he says. It will be difficult to find a way to identify the people closest to the explosions.

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VINCI: Meanwhile, Queen Sophia, her son Prince Felipe and soon to be wife, has visited a hospital in Madrid meeting with the relatives. The King of Spain, Juan Carlos, briefly addressed Spaniards on a taped address on television telling Spaniards, your king is suffering with you. Meanwhile, also, Jose Maria Aznard, the prime minister of Spain, has called for large demonstrations tomorrow throughout the nation. But in the meantime, a small demonstration took place in Madrid with a few hundred people chanting for peace. Back to you, Anderson.

COOPER: All right, Alessio, thanks so much from Madrid. So much sadness today and so many questions remain. The main one, who, who may be behind the attacks in Spain? Officials say ETA may be behind it, Basque separatists. But some see signs of al Qaeda.

Joining us to talk about, from Washington, CNN terrorism analyst, Peter Bergen and anti-terrorism expert Jeff Beatty, president of Total Security US. Appreciate you being on the show. Peter, let me start off with you. The Spanish government says this is probably ETA, although they are leaving the door open to it being some al Qaeda or al Qaeda-related attack. What argues against this not being an ETA attack?

PETER BERGEN, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST: Well, we don't know, obviously, who it is, Anderson, as you pointed out. But here are the four or five reasons it might be al Qaeda. One, bin Laden has called for attacks on Spain as recently as October of last year because of Spain's active participation in the Iraq war.

Two, Spain was the scene where Mohammed Atta visited Spain in the course of the 9/11 plot, the lead hijacker. A place where al Qaeda has infrastructure.

Three, Spain has taken a proactive role in tracking down al Qaeda. Judge Garcon, one of the most prominent judges there, has actually indicted bin Laden for his roll in the 9/11 attacks in Spain, in the jurisdiction where that happened. So, there's a lot of reasons it could be al Qaeda.

On the flip side, ETA has never carried out this kind of attack. This kind of scale, simultaneous 200 people are approximately dead. Terrorist groups like ETA or the IRA in Ireland tend not to carry out attacks where this many people killed, because you have a reaction of popular revulsion against the group and you also have such a strong government crackdown that it really doesn't make sense to carry out the attacks.

COOPER: Jeff, as you look at the details of this attack, ten near simultaneous explosions, a couple thwarted on backpacks, what details jump out at you, Jeff?

JEFF BEATTY, PRES. TOTAL SECURITY U.S.: Well, what jump out to me again, was, again an al Qaeda trait, which was a low tech but high concept approach. You can't get more low tech than package bombs. And here they were, effectively deployed. It would have taken between four and eight people to prosecute this attack.

And that to me says, you don't want to leave any stone unturned. You don't want to immediately rule out one group or another. And I'm afraid of the possibility exist that is with the rush to judgment this morning, of thinking it might be ETA, that perhaps some immediate investigative leads are lost. People might have been able to get out of the country, because while you're look for ETA, over here you have maybe the real suspects leaving the country.

So that's the danger, just like we saw here in Oklahoma City, the immediate reaction was has to be Middle Eastern terrorist when, in fact, it turned out to be Timothy McVeigh and we were just lucky to catch him.

COOPER: Peter, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't there a reason Andalucia in Spain, aren't there some, I don't know if it's al Qaeda, but there some group that want -- Muslim groups in there want to secede Andalucia, am I correct in that, or am I completely off base? BERGEN: No, no, absolutely. One of al Qaeda's constantly called for the has return of Andalucia, that part of the Muslim empire 500 years ago. And it's one of their kind of pieces of rhetoric that we're going to take back Andalucia.

So Spain is really a subject that they have focused in the past. This would represent the first time they've been able to strike in Europe successfully since 9/11. There were attacks in Istanbul. There's a debate whether that's in Europe or not, but it would represent a really, unfortunately, a large step forward in that capacity to attack the west.

COOPER: Jeff, just very briefly, this group, Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigade, they said they sent on e-mail to a paper in London saying it was an al Qaeda attack. They've also claimed credit for the blackout here in the U.S. in the summer. Do you give credit to the group?

BEATTY: No, I don't put much credit to the group. Again, I don't want to rule anything out. But the timing of it, if you look at the timeline of the attack and how long did it take to type out their memo and then send to send it off, it would was going to be more credible it should have happened the instant the attacks pressed home. So, I don't give it awful lot of credence.

COOPER: All right, Jeff Beatty and Peter Bergen, appreciate you joining us. Thank you very much

Again, we continue to follow this story all throughout this next hour and throughout this evening here on CNN. We're going to bring you any details as warranted.

Today, back here at home, controversy. Republicans going on the offensive of John Kerry accusing him after smear campaign, that's what he said, because of what Kerry said yesterday.

Today, the Senator says he's not sorry about crooked Republicans. Whether you agree with him or not, we think candidates talking off the cuff, it is a rare glimpse of real, raw politics.

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COOPER (voice-over): Political lesson No. 1, when you're wired for sound, even if you're not on, your microphone may be.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep smiling.

SEN. JOHN KERRY, (D-MA) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Oh, don't worry, man. We're going to keep pounding, let me tell you. Just beginning the fight here. These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group I've ever seen.

COOPER: He might not have chosen to have them recorded, today John Kerry says he stands by them and will not apologize. Republicans say they're outraged by the remarks, but it is certainly not the first time we have heard a candidate being candid. Four years ago, then Governor Bush didn't know his mic was on when he used a crude expletive to describe about a reporter. Bush later apologized.

And remember 1984 when Ronald Reagan made a joke while testing a microphone before a radio address?

RONALD REAGAN, FRM PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: All right. My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that would outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.

COOPER: Why does anyone care about the captured comments? Perhaps because in this age of prepackaged, prescripted politics, hearing something unexpected is, well, unexpected.

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COOPER: That's raw politics for tonight.

Our next guest knows all about candid comments on the campaign trail. Chris Heinz, he's John Kerry's stepson. His mother is Teresa Heinz-Kerry. I asked him whether he thought his stepdad's comments were a mistake.

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CHRIS HEINZ, JOHN KERRY'S STEPSON: It was off the record. Regardless whether it was physically on the record or not, certainly I think that the GOP and the political operatives have a history of being more than aggressive.

COOPER: Is this just part of politics or do you think your stepdad really...?

HEINZ: And the president? I don't think he was referring to the president.

COOPER: And he's come out saying he wasn't, he was referring to referring to Republican attack dogs.

HEINZ: Right. And those are two different things. Both the president and my stepfather are professionals in that sense.

COOPER: Senator Kerry, he has been tough on President Bush, called it arrogant, inept, reckless. He said the president was playing dress-up on an aircraft carrier. Are you surprised at sort of the level of, or at least the war of words so early on in the campaign?

HEINZ: No. We just went through a Democratic primary. The level of anger towards this president in that group of voters is much more severe than the words that John used to describe the president's foreign policy.

COOPER: Do you find yourself being called upon to do things that surprise you? I know one point you were called to do your Arnold Schwarzenegger impression.

HEINZ: Yes. I've been called upon not to do it anymore.

COOPER: That means I can't ask you to do it.

HEINZ: Hey. Just being asked that is surprising enough.

COOPER: I read that your mom had some concerns about the campaign. She is now out on the campaign trail. Did you talk about that with her? What were those conversations like?

HEINZ: Well, we've had a few surreal conversations as a family. It is just an intimidating process. We've been talking about the press intensity and I would be lying to say we weren't happy normal people before who didn't think we were jumping off into a big chasm.

COOPER: Your late father, Senator John Heinz, was Republican. Were you Republican before? Where do you see yourself now in the political realm?

HEINZ: I admit I'm a Democrat. If you would have asked me probably until the time I was 18 when my father died, I probably would have answered I was Republican. And I' say over the last 12, 13 years from what I've seen, the Republican party shifted (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

COOPER: You've grown up with politics all your life, grown up in a political family. I understand that when you were younger, I think I read in the "Times," you even went to Camp David with the first President Bush. What was that like?

HEINZ: It was great. I went there with my brother and my father. Just like anything, you look around with wide eyes. It was a mystical place, helicopters and marines everywhere. It was pretty wild.

COOPER: Do you want to get back to Camp David some time?

HEINZ: Yes. I would like to earn John the right to take us to Camp David. I'm working hard for that. Otherwise, not really.

COOPER: We'll leave it there. Thanks.

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COOPER: Chris Heinz. On a lighter note, as you just heard on campaign insider, he's developed quite a reputation for his impersonation of a certain California governor. He wouldn't do the imitation for me. But that, too, was caught on tape a while back. Let's take a look.

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HEINZ: It's great to be here. How you doing? You did not know I was coming. I checked with Maria. She said, come on up. It's all right. But I want to say only one Democrat in my mind has the power to pump up the whole country in 2004. That's John Kerry.

(END VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: Once on tape, it never goes away.

A setback for Florida prosecutors in the case against R. Kelly. That's right. The R&B crooner. Coming up, digital pictures and charges of child porn. That's what a judge decided on today. We'll tell you.

Also tonight. Martha, Martha, Martha Stewart. Of course, the media has gone nuts, the cliches are flying and we can't get enough. It is tonight's "Overkill."

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COOPER: In "Justice Served" tonight, R&B singer R. Kelly scored a huge hit today, not on the Billboard charts but a Florida courtroom. A judge ruled that photos Kelly allegedly having sex with a minor cannot be used in a child pornography trial. Take a look.

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COOPER (voice-over): Acting on this search warrant for R. Kelly's Florida home, detectives discovered a digital camera with 12 photos allegedly showing the singer engaging in sex acts with an underage girl. The warrant stated, quote, "it is apparent that Robert Kelly is involved in the production and possession of child pornography. I personally recovered images of Robert Kelly engage in a sexual conduct with a child." But defense attorneys argue that the pictures found inside a camera, inside a duffel bag were illegally seized. Today, Judge Dennis Maloney agreed.

ED GENSON, R. KELLY'S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The search was ruled to be illegal, and the next step now, we would believe, would be the dismissal of the charges.

COOPER: The state's attorney's office basically agreed and told CNN that, "if we choose not to appeal or if we lost the appeal, that would terminate the prosecution in Polk county."

Kelly is still being prosecuted in Chicago where he pleaded not guilty to 14 counts of child pornography. The Cook county's attorney's office tells CNN they have a videotape which they say clearly shows R. Kelly having sex with an underage girl. If you thought all the charges might have hurt R. Kelly's career, consider this. His last CD, "Chocolate Factory" went double platinum and was nominated for two Grammys. And this past December, he took home four Billboard music awards. Oh, and one more not. How did R. Kelly take today's news from Florida?

GENSON: I said congratulations. He said, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said, let's go to Disneyland.

COOPER: He better not throw away his attorney's business card anytime soon.

(END VIDEOTAPE) COOPER: R. Kelly accused of child porn heading to Disneyland. Lisa Bloom from Court TV joins us to talk about it.

LISA BLOOM, ANCHOR, COURT TV: Hopefully not.

COOPER: Yes, that's really the kind of commercial I think Disneyland is very excited to hear, that R. Kelly is heading there. If you were the prosecutor in Florida, would you just -- would you appeal this judge's decision?

BLOOM: Well, they've got two choices now. Their best evidence in the case is gone. They either have to appeal that decision and get it reversed or dismiss the charges in their entirety. You can't go forward in a child porn case without the pornography to show to the jury.

COOPER: Right. Now there are still these 14 counts in Chicago. Originally they had brought 21 counts against this guy in Chicago. Now it is down to 14. That's not a good sign to dropping off the charges.

BLOOM: You're right. And a couple of weeks ago the prosecutors voluntarily dismissed seven of those charges, solicitation to pornography on the grounds that that statute was enacted after the alleged act in the case. So the case is getting whittled down slowly but surely against R. Kelly.

COOPER: Now the state, in Chicago, the attorney general's office says that they have this videotape they say it allegedly shows an underage woman having -- underage girl having sex with R. Kelly, various other things being done to her. Now, there's this report out there that the girl in question is denying she's the girl in the tape.

BLOOM: Right. The prosecution needs to show, of course, it was, in fact, an underage girl on the tape, not just that it looked like an underage girl.

COOPER: If she's not willing to come forward, there is no case.

BLOOM: Absolutely. Unless there is another witness who can conclusively show this girl is, in fact, underage and it is who we think it is. Without her and without R. Kelly, it will be a tough case for prosecutors.

COOPER: It is amazing to me -- I mean, you know, innocent until proven guilty -- it is interesting though that this has not in any way it seems affected R. Kelly's career. He's getting numerous awards. Even, I think, this past weekend NAACP awards.

BLOOM: Nominated for those Image awards, Anderson. And I've got to tell you, you know, he settled two civil cases alleging sex with underage girls, has these two criminal cases with a lot of counts of child porn, both possessing it and being part of it, actually participating in the sex acts with underage girls. I think he was a very poor choice for those awards. COOPER: He points out across the board he is not guilty, does not do it, has no interest in it, and is innocent of all these charges.

BLOOM: And he could very well get a defense verdict on the remaining charges.

COOPER: All right, Lisa Bloom, thanks very much. So want to hear what Carrie Bradshaw wore? Well, now's your chance. Coming up, "Sex and the City" on sale. At least, the clothes are.

Also tonight, Oprah Winfrey makes "The Current" for being such a generous boss. Almost as generous as me. Be right back.

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COOPER: OK, so I know this has been a very hard time covering "Sex and The City" addicts, in particular Mark Levinson (ph). Even though you to bid farewell to the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) show, hundreds of you lined up to grab a piece of fashion history.

Thankfully, Jeanne Moos was there.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If you said good bye to "Sex and the City," Now say...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello lover.

MOOS: To shoes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Aren't they fabulous.

MOOS: Tops. You name it. Cast away from the cast of "Sex and the City." The line outside a second-hand consignment shop wound around the block.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're armed with our heel and our credit cards we are ready to go.

MOOS: The first one rushing the door was a law student, she ended up with a striped dress, pink sandals and bra.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know who were it, but it's pink, and it pretty and was cheap.

MOOS: Every once in a while someone let out a scream -- when they recognized a piece of clothing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She wore this when they had sex for the first time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The boots. I remember when these were on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anyone want Miranda's skinny jeans? MOOS: Even the owner of Ina (ph) kept a little something.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I got this little necklace.

MOOS: Prices range from 10 bucks to $5,000.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Carrie wore this hat in the episode where her and Charlotte are sitting and rating the guys in New York City on who they would sleep with or not. So there you go.

SARAH JESSICA PARKER, ACTOR: Men who are too good looking they are never good in bed because they never had to be.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I dated plenty of the men here, and they were definitely not so good.

MOOS: That probably went over the head of the youngest shopper, Ricardo (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He watched the last episode, and he loved it.

MOOS: Now, Ricardo can cuddle up and watch reruns using Carrie's bath robe as a blankie.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

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COOPER: Man that show had great demographics.

Time to check on pop news in tonight's "The Current." Lets take a look.

Dr. Seuss is getting a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. It's a fit tribute to Theodore Geisel, a man who made some of the strangest characters famous. He will now always be surrounded by some of the oddest of odd balls in L.A.

Playboy Magazine, wants the women of the "Apprentice" to appear in their magazine. They've offered each contestant 250,000 dollars to take their close off. Twice that if Donald takes his hair off. That's Larry King touching Donald's hair.

Not so newlywed Jessica Simpson has good news. Her CD, "In This Skin" it's called, has jumped to number two on Nelson (ph) sound scan charts, selling some 160,000 copies.

In a related story, rock and roll is dead.

Oprah Winfrey likes to treat her staff well to thank them for doing such a great job. She's treated them to a week-long, all expense paid vacation in Mexico. I don't like to brag, I, too, like to reward people on my staff. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: Appreciate all your hard work. OK, work a little harder.

OK, thanks very much Gil (ph), appreciate, it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thanks, Anderson.

COOPER: Mr. Cooper, please. Thank you, OK.

And Jeff, appreciate it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's bob.

COOPER: What?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's bob.

COOPER: Yes -- whatever.

Thanks very much. Appreciate it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thanks. Ben Affleck's right, he's a jerk.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Yes. Well, maybe.

Dissecting domestic divahood coming up on the "Nth Degree" that is next. Getting to the root of the phase.

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COOPER: Tonight, taking cliches to the "Nth Degree."

What will people think when they look back at the news of our day and all the newscasters referring to a domestic diva named Martha Stewart. They'll go to dictionaries and see domestic had many meanings, living near or about human habitations, tame, of or relating to the household or the family. And diva is from the Latin for goddess, after which the definition adds see, prima donna, the principal female singer in an opera.

Tame goddess, household singer?

Our descendants will think we're pretty strange either way, hiring people to sing for us at home or with pet goddesses traipsing along in our foot steps like cats with super powers. So, this is for the time capsule, Dear descendants, domestic diva wasn't a category. There was only one. And we think the title, like a basketball players numbered jersey, should be retired. Monogrammed on a tasteful towel perhaps, hung from the rafters, never to be heard from again.

I'm Anderson Cooper, thanks for watching. I'll be on "NEWSNIGHT" tonight at 10:00 Eastern. Coming up next "PAULA ZAHN NOW."

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