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Swift Boat Veterans Launch New Wave Of Ads; Double Murder Stumps Investigators; U.S. Bombs Sites In Najaf

Aired August 20, 2004 - 19:00   ET

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CAROL COSTELLO, HOST: Good evening, everyone. I'm Carol Costello. Anderson is off tonight.
Another attack ad. Will a 30-year-old war continue to dominate the election?

360 starts right now.

A new ad attacks John Kerry's anti-Vietnam War record. Just who is funding the swift boat veterans' offensive?

U.S. warplanes strike again in Najaf, but can an influential Shi'ite cleric get the keys to Najaf's holy shrine from Mehdi Army fighters?

Will the battle for the White House divide the music industry? Country singer Ricky Skaggs talks politics and his efforts to get out the vote.

Jane Pauley reveals her bipolar disorder, the symptoms, the treatment for an illness that affects millions.

Our special series, Teach Your Children, tonight, Deep Springs College, a successful educational experiment where students set their own rules.

The "Blair Witch" version of "Jaws," a couple stuck in open water, based on a true story. We'll talk with the filmmakers in The Weekender.

ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

COSTELLO: The echoes of a debate that divided America 30 years ago just keep getting louder as the Vietnam War continues to dominate news from the campaign trail.

John Kerry has formally filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission that the group calling itself the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has illegal ties with the Bush campaign. That comes after the appearance today of a new ad from the group with more accusations against Kerry's military record.

With the Kerry campaign, here's CNN's Dan Lothian.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) DAN LOTHIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As Senator John Kerry toured Florida neighborhoods devastated by Hurricane Charley, his campaign was firing a legal shot at the anti-Kerry group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and the Bush-Cheney campaign.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH AD)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He betrayed us in the past. How could we be loyal to him now?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LOTHIAN: The Kerry campaign is complaining to the Federal Election Commission, saying these ads are inaccurate and are illegally coordinated with the Bush-Cheney campaign.

TAD DEVINE, KERRY CAMPAIGN SENIOR ADVISER: What the Bush campaign has done here is put out a front group to make their case, try to keep their distance from them. And obviously, the web of connections is real. The Bush campaign is doing precisely what they did four years ago against John McCain. But the truth is going to win out. These charges are scurrilous and false, the charges they've made against John Kerry, and they're not going to survive the light of day.

LOTHIAN: Kerry aides say recent press reports, including Friday's "New York Times," provide, quote, "overwhelming evidence." The Bush campaign fired back in a statement, saying, quote, "John Kerry knows that his allegation is frivolous and false."

This comes as Senator Kerry spent Friday trying to refocus on domestic issues important to voters. Addressing supporters in Charlotte, North Carolina, he touted his economic plan.

SEN. JOHN KERRY, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We're just going to go back to where we were with Bill Clinton, when people got rich and the country did well.

LOTHIAN (on camera): The Kerry campaign says it will continue to vigorously defend the senator's war record. As for the anti-Kerry ads, aides says the group behind them has a credibility problem after, quote, "being caught in lie after lie, day after day."

Dan Lothian, CNN, with the Kerry campaign in Fort Myers, Florida.

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COSTELLO: And since the first so-called swift boat ad came out two weeks ago, the allegations against John Kerry have forced him to play defense continually in an area that was perceived to be his greatest strength.

With more on the latest spot and the group behind them, here's congressional correspondent Ed Henry.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) ED HENRY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The second wave of the swift boat attack takes aim at John Kerry's dramatic and controversial 1971 testimony to a Senate committee. As head of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Kerry e repeated allegations that some U.S. soldiers had tortured innocents.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH AD)

KERRY: ... they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads...

JOE PONDER, WOUNDED NOVEMBER 1968: The accusations that John Kerry made against the veterans who served in Vietnam was just devastating.

KERRY: ... crimes committed on a day-to-day basis...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He betrayed us in the past. How could we be loyal to him now?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HENRY: But the veterans targeting Kerry are now under fire themselves, with the Democratic candidate charging the outside group is doing President Bush's dirty work. Central to that charge, Bob Perry, a Houston homebuilder who has poured $200,000 into the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad campaign.

Perry gave $46,000 to Mr. Bush's two gubernatorial campaigns and has maxed out to both of Mr. Bush's presidential campaigns. Perry is also a long-time political ally of Karl Rove, the president's chief political adviser.

DEVINE: It's the same tangled web of people who tried to do this to John McCain four years ago. And let me tell you something, it's not going to happen to John Kerry. John Kerry will fight back.

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HENRY: But some Democrats are privately grumbling that the Kerry campaign took too long to fight back and that some political damage has already been done, especially in light of a new poll showing Senator Kerry's support with veterans dropping, Carol.

COSTELLO: You know what, I was just going to ask you that. And anyway, are these charges at all provable?

HENRY: It's going to be very difficult for the Federal Election Commission to sort this out. They're not known for being very strong and very aggressive about going after these things. But I think the Kerry campaign felt that after all of the accusations, that they didn't fight hard enough after the first ad came back. They're trying to do everything they can to stop the second one.

COSTELLO: Ed Henry, live in Washington. Thank you.

President Bush is at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, response on the ad controversy coming from there.

For that, we go to CNN's Jill Dougherty, who's covering the president. She joins us live from Crawford. Hello.

JILL DOUGHERTY, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Carol.

Well, both campaigns are deploring these ads. Both say the other guy should stop it. Both have filed complaints with the FEC. But the ads keep coming.

Today we heard from the press secretary for the president, Scott McClellan. He denied there was any connection between the Bush campaign and those ads, and he also took a personal swipe at John Kerry.

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SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I do think that Senator Kerry losing his cool should not be an excuse for him to lash out at the president with false and baseless attacks. I mean, where has the Kerry (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- Kerry campaign been for the last year, while more than $62 million in funding through these shadowy groups have been used to negatively attack the president?

DOUGHERTY: So shortly after that, the news that John Kerry is going to be complaining to the FEC about those ads, and quickly a response from the Bush campaign, saying they welcome the focus on those 527s, those are the soft money groups.

And the Bush campaign spokesman, Taylor Griffin, telling CNN, quote, "For months we've been trying to shine a spotlight on the coordination between the John Kerry campaign and these 527 groups. Five-twenty-seven groups on the Democratic side have run attack ads accusing President Bush of poisoning pregnant women, complicity with the tragedies at Abu Ghraib prison, and with a hooded Statue of Liberty."

And as we said, the Bush campaign months ago actually did file two complaints, alleging this coordination between the Kerry campaign and these -- and two groups that have been putting out these ads, Carol.

COSTELLO: Jill Dougherty, live in Crawford, Texas, tonight.

Here's a fast fact about how the swift boat ads are working. A survey from the University of Pennsylvania found that more than half the country has seen or heard about the ads, mostly because of the heavy news media coverage. Forty-nine percent of those aware of the ads thought the accusations were unbelievable, 46 percent found them believable.

Ted Kennedy, you are not alone. That story tops our look at news cross-country.

Capitol Hill, longtime Georgia Congressman John Lewis says that just like Senator Kennedy, he is regularly stopped at airport security. He has a similar name to someone on a watch list.

Moss Bluff (ph), Texas, a live look at the towering inferno that's burning for a second day. The site's an underground natural gas storage facility. The gas supplies have been shut off. Officials are waiting for the fire to burn itself out.

Spring Church, Pennsylvania, somebody send Mother Nature a memo. It is still August. Dime-sized hail that resembled driving snow pelted this town east of Pittsburgh and knocked out power.

Baltimore, Maryland, the rock group Van Halen playing a new tune for the Orioles called Lawsuit. The rockers claim the Orioles backed out of a deal for Van Halen to stage a concert at Camden Yards next month. They're seeking $2 million in damages.

Los Angeles, Courtney Love's spending more time in court than on stage these days. This time she has pleaded innocent to attacking another woman with a bottle. Love is out on bail.

And that's a look at stories cross-country tonight.

360 next, murder on the beach. Two Christian camp counselors engaged to be married shot in their sleep. The latest in the investigation.

Plus, Jane Pauley's mystery revealed, her secret struggle with mental health.

And move over, Mary Lou. America's got a new Olympic sweetheart. The 16-year-old who nailed it.

But first, your picks, the most popular stories on CNN.com right now.

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COSTELLO: They said they were going to visit friends and they would be back on Sunday, but the two camp counselors never returned from a weekend trip north of San Francisco. The reason is horrific, and the mystery of why is only deepening tonight.

CNN's Thelma Gutierrez explains.

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THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Twenty-three- year-old Lindsey Cutshall and 26-year-old Jason Allen (ph) were just about to be married.

CHRIS CUTSHALL, LINDSEY'S FATHER: God bless Jason and Lindsey.

GUTIERREZ: A month before their wedding date, their families are left grieving.

CUTSHALL: We're the ones who have to bear the burden of carrying on without their presence, and, which is the source of our greatest pain, they are so beautiful, and we love them with our entire being.

GUTIERREZ: Cutshall and Allen's bodies were found in their sleeping bags with gunshot wounds to their heads.

LT. DAVE EDMONDS, SONOMA SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: This crime is obviously horrendous, and in any jurisdiction, you know, this is a terrible act, and we haven't been able to establish a motive for this crime. It's very disconcerting and disturbing.

GUTIERREZ: Disturbing for investigators, because they have no leads or suspects. Heartbreaking for the victims' families.

CUTSHALL: Most of all, we want to get a completely insane cold- blooded killer off the beaches and off the streets.

GUTIERREZ: Lindsey Cutshall and Jason Allen were youth ministers. They had been working at a Christian camp east of Sacramento. Over the weekend, they headed for a camping trip to the beach. Their bodies were discovered Wednesday.

EDMONDS: There was property of value that was at the scene, and it appears it wasn't disturbed. There's no indication that there was any struggle, nor is there any indication of any sort of sexual assault or other form of assault.

GUTIERREZ: The victims were found fully clothed in their sleeping bags near their belongings, which included a Christian book and wedding literature.

Thelma Gutierrez, CNN, Los Angeles.

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COSTELLO: Voter registration in Afghanistan turns explosive (UNINTELLIGIBLE) that tops our look at global stories in the uplink.

Western Afghanistan, six police officers wounded after several time bombs went out outside Afghan election offices run by the United Nations. Afghan officials say Taliban fighters are trying to disrupt the country's first democratic elections on October 9.

Northern Thailand, a new outbreak of bird flu, this time in ducks. In an effort to stop the spread of the disease, nearly 3,000 ducks have been killed.

Tokyo, Japan, next move, Bobby Fischer. The former chess champ plans to appeal a court's refusal to block his deportation back to the United States. Fischer is accused of violating international sanctions in playing in a chess match in the former Yugoslavia in 1992. After the court's ruling today, Fischer reportedly made anti- American and anti-Semitic remarks on a radio station.

Athens, Greece, no medal for "Playboy"'s Olympic special. Olympic organizers tried to ban the magazine's Greek edition, but a judge refused. Organizers say headlines such as "2004 Seconds of Ecstasy" and "Go for a Sexathon Gold" corrupt the Olympic image. The magazine's editors say they're just having a bit of fun.

And that's tonight's uplink.

Another U.S. gymnast has wowed the crowd and won gold at the Olympics. Carly Patterson's coach calls her Harley instead of Carly for good reason. He likes to say she's as tough as a Harley-Davidson motorcycle, and she proved that last night, coming back from eighth place to become an Olympic champion.

Here's CNN's Gary Tuchman.

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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The world was watching.

ANNOUNCER: The most difficult in this competition.

TUCHMAN: As Carly Patterson became the second American woman ever to win an Olympic gymnastics all-around title.

But there were two small pockets of the world where the viewing is much more personal. In Baton Rouge, Louisiana, where the 16-year- old began her training as a gymnast, a celebratory viewing party was held for those who know her, admire her, and love her. Ricky Patterson is her father.

RICK PATTERSON, CARLY'S FATHER: That was always her dream, and, you know, we just helped supported that all the way. Each, you know, as each year passed, she kept getting better and better. And so all of a sudden one day you wake up, and here it is, is a formion (ph), and she pulled through and done what she needed to do.

TUCHMAN: In the Dallas suburb of Plano, Texas, the World Olympic Gymnastics Academy is where Carly trains and where her friends are flipping out with pride.

NINA KIM, CARLY'S FRIEND: She's done it for all of us, like, she's made it come through, like, everyone's dream.

TUCHMAN: The only other American woman to win this gold medal is Mary Lou Retton in 1984. Carly says she talked to the now 36-year-old mother of four on the telephone last night.

CARLY PATTERSON, GOLD MEDAL WINNER: She knew I could do it, and she knew I had, it had, I had it in me, and she just is really proud and excited for me.

TUCHMAN: Carly's mother is with her in Athens. She'll accompany her daughter home to Texas as gymnastics royalty.

Gary Tuchman, CNN, Atlanta.

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COSTELLO: On to other Olympic royalty. U.S. swimmer Michael Phelps has ended his magnificent Olympics with an amazing gesture. Here's a quick news note. With already five gold medals and two bronze, Phelps is giving up his spot on the 400-meter medley relay team to teammate Ian Crocker. Phelps says he's doing it because, quote, "We came into this meet as a team, and we're going to leave it as a team." If the team finishes in the top three of the event on Saturday, Phelps will still get a medal because he swam in the preliminaries.

360 next, a college Utopia? No drinking, no drugs, and a lot of hard labor. Find out why young men are signing up for this academic challenge, part of our special series.

Also tonight, music in politics. Move over Hollywood, country stars are weighing in. Ricky Skaggs is our special guest.

And a little later, Michael Jackson death threats, one man arrested. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) case that keeps getting stranger and stranger.

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COSTELLO: It brings me back to the day. For more than 85 years, the students at Deep Springs College have been in charge. The students have been in charge, controlling admissions, discipline, and faculty hiring and firing. Sounds good, perhaps. But campus life in this elite school is harsh, severe isolation from the outside world. And forget about the party scene. No drugs or alcohol allowed. Not what most freshmen would call Utopia.

As we wrap up our week-long series on education, Teach Your Children, CNN's Jason Bellini examines this unique academic experience.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JASON BELLINI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They quote Camus and wax poetic about land, labor...

JULIAN PETRI, DEEP SPRINGS STUDENT: We're just in this green spot, and it's maintained by our work.

BELLINI: ... and life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a real sense of purpose here.

BELLINI: These are not your typical college students, and this is not your typical college. Since its founding in 1917, Deep Springs College, located deep in the California desert, began as an educational experiment, combining intense academics...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is he talking more about, you know, an evolutionary social inheritance...

BELLINI: ... with hard labor. The goal is to create something more than a typical college graduate.

MITCH HUNTER, DEEP SPRINGS STUDENT: Every afternoon is full, so I don't have so much free time, you know.

BELLINI (on camera): Enough time to study?

HUNTER: That depends on how quickly you study.

BELLINI: Deep Springs is a two-year college. Most if not all students transfer into prestigious four-year institutions -- Yale, Harvard, and Cornell chief among them.

(voice-over): Nearly all the students come from privileged backgrounds.

(on camera): When you go home, do you wear your cowboy hat?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, I've worn it a couple times, yes.

BELLINI (voice-over): They chose Deep Springs, they say, to do something real. Gareth Fisher from upstate New York is responsible for over 200 head of cattle.

GARETH FISHER, STUDENT, DEEP SPRINGS COLLEGE: This isn't just like, you know, going out (UNINTELLIGIBLE) go around (UNINTELLIGIBLE) for the (UNINTELLIGIBLE). That's a potential $400, $500, $600 loss if we, if this calf, if this calf doesn't get brought in.

BELLINI: Deep Springs accepts less than 10 percent of its applicants. It has a student body of 26 students, all of them men.

ROSS PETERSON, DEEP SPRINGS COLLEGE PRESIDENT: Even though every student has a full scholarship, they pay a good price in many respects to be here, and then they appreciate the rewards that come from having contributed to the school.

BELLINI: The rewards, they believe, are self-reliance and self- confidence, built through self-sacrifice. But there are rigid rules, no alcohol, no drugs, no leaving the ranch.

FISHER: I certainly miss girls (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I'm not going to lie about that, and I love the guys who are here, I love to -- all the guys here, most of the time.

JAMES WILSON, STUDENT, DEEP SPRINGS COLLEGE: It's tough to see when you're here, when you're cut off from the outside world, and you're with, you know, these 25 other really high-strung guys who are, you know, all engaged in this crazy project.

BELLINI: They don't grow up to be cowboys. Most go on to get MDs, PhDs, and law degrees. But where else, they say, could they learn so much about life?

Jason Bellini, CNN, Deep Springs, California.

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COSTELLO: Will the battle for the White House divide the music industry? Country singer Ricky Skaggs talks politics and his efforts to get out the vote.

Jane Pauley reveals her bipolar disorder, the symptoms, the treatment for an illness that affects millions.

The "Blair Witch" version of "Jaws," a couple stuck in open water. Based on a true story. We'll talk with the filmmakers in The Weekender.

360 continues.

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COSTELLO: In the next hour on 360, Jane Pauley's struggle with mental illness. The famous anchor reveals a long-held secret.

But first, tonight's reset.

Oh, the presidential race turns ugly. John Kerry's campaign has filed a legal complaint with the Federal Election Commission, this after the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth released a second anti- Kerry TV ad. Kerry's campaign accuses the group of coordinating illegally with the Bush campaign. The Bush side dismisses that complaint.

Calm tonight in Najaf. U.S. military officials say combat operations were temporary suspended to allow negotiations to take place. A delegation from Iraq's interim government hopes to meet with Muqtada al-Sadr in an attempt to end the standoff at the Imam Ali Mosque.

The IRS says former baseball great Pete Rose owes nearly $1 million in back taxes, from 1997 to 2002. You might remember Rose served five months in prison 15 years ago for filing false tax returns.

Call Regis Philbin Mr. TV. "Guinness World Records" say the talk show host has logged more, logged more hours in front of the camera than anyone else on television, 15,000 hours. The previous record holder is retired longtime broadcaster Hugh Downs.

And that is tonight's reset.

Looking at this year's presidential campaign, it's pretty obvious that the candidates march to the tune of different drummers. But face the music and look closely, and it becomes clear that the issue isn't rhythm, it's pure raw politics.

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COSTELLO (voice-over): Maybe the difference between him and him comes down to the difference between this and this.

On one side are the rock stars like Bruce Springsteen, REM, and Dave Matthews. All they want to do is rock President Bush out of the White House.

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, ENTERTAINER: There's a very specific goal that we feel is worth accomplishing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And that goal is beating Bush?

SPRINGSTEEN: Yes, it is.

COSTELLA: On the other are country singers like Ricky Skaggs, Toby Keith, and Larry Gatlin. They want to keep John Kerry out of the White House.

CARLOS WATSON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: For the Republicans, country music seems to be part of NASCAR, seems to be part of that rural lifestyle that you associate today with the Republican party in the red states, whereas for John Kerry and the Democrats, rock and roll with its wildness, with its being a little bit untame, maybe, seems to capture an openness that the Democratic party would suggest they're all about.

COSTELLA: And it's not just artists. Candidates also have also embraced this difference in style.

Of course, some country singers do support John Kerry, like the Dixie Chicks, and not all rock stars are opposed to Bush like Kiss' Gene Simmons. Yet all of them want to rock the country and rock the vote in a raw politics kind of way.

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COSTELLA: And earlier we talked with country music star Ricky Skaggs about the politics behind the music and celebrity "get out the vote" movements.

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COSTELLA: Before we get into your push to get out the vote, I want to talk about why you think that country music seems to attract conservatives and Republicans, and rock music seems to attract Democrats. Why is that?

RICKY SKAGGS, PRO-BUSH COUNTRY MUSIC ARTIST: It seems as though bluegrass and country music has always seemed to play to, you know, conservative folks that love country way of life, a simple life, a simple way of life and Christian values.

COSTELLA: You know, you say that, but there doesn't really seem to be any room for dissent in country music. Why is that?

SKAGGS: Well, you know, one of the things that I've been very, very careful about is -- and this whole right to vote, you know, deal that we're doing, is that, you know, we're not out bashing John Kerry, you know? It seems as though that the left you know, vote for change, it seems what they're wanting to do -- anything to Bush-bash, anything to -- or bash Bush, to get him out of office. Anything they can do, they want to do.

COSTELLA: And you're talking about artists like Bruce Springsteen, but clearly you are for Bush. SKAGGS: Oh, yes, I am. I've never tried to hide that. As a matter of fact we've been doing some campaigning with him as recently as Wednesday up in Minneapolis, we had 18,000 folks up there. So I even supported his father, and went out and did some campaigning for him.

COSTELLA: So in saying that, what you've said just a few minutes ago kind of doesn't mesh.

SKAGGS: Well, you know, the main thing is we're trying to get people to exercise their right to vote. So many people just sit at home and they let an election go by, then they moan and groan and complain, because nothing is changing, and you know, this whole campaign we started is to get people out to vote. Go register. It's so easy now to register on-line through the DMV, you can do that right at home. You don't have to stand in line for 45 minutes to register. So it's a great thing. We're just trying to get people to get out and...

COSTELLA: Which is always a great thing. Back to the issue of dissent within the country music community. Let's talk about the Dixie Chicks. Do you think that all of the bad things that were said about the Dixie Chicks today, do you think that some of that was wrong? And why didn't any country music star rally to their defense?

SKAGGS: Well, Carol, 25 or 30 years ago that would have been treason, what they did, going to a foreign country, saying the things that they said, you know, that would have been treason. You know, we just kind of turned a blind eye to it anymore. People just kind of fuss and get mad nowadays but you know...

COSTELLA: So it went beyond a freedom of speech to you, it went to treason?

SKAGGS: I'm just saying going to a foreign land and saying things about a sitting president and saying the things they did, I just don't think that's cool.

COSTELLA: So the Dixie Chicks wanted to join you in your push to vote, you would say uh-uh?

SKAGGS: No, I would say, let's get out and vote. They're doing the thing with Bruce Springsteen through Florida and through some of the swing states. They're out there trying to get John Kerry elected, and I'm out trying to get George Bush elected, but the main thing that we're trying to do is get people to vote. I can't tell people that I'm, you know -- I can't tell you who I'm voting for, because I am for President Bush, but the main thing we're trying to do is to get people out to vote.

COSTELLA: Ricky Skaggs, thanks for joining us tonight.

SKAGGS: Thank you, Carol.

(END VIDEOTAPE) COSTELLA: So today's buzz is this: which type of music best represents your politics? Rock, country or hip-hop. Log on to CNN.com/360 to vote. We'll have the results for you at the end of the show.

Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch has tigers, a train station, and for one day last year, cops, by the dozens. They fanned out across the estate collecting evidence in the molestation case against the singer. What they did and how they did it took center stage today at Jackson's pre-trial hearing. Here's more from CNN's Miguel Marques.

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MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It is another legal thrust by Jackson's lawyers to keep a jury from hearing potentially damaging evidence. Jackson lawyer Steve Cochran argued that the warrant for the search of Neverland Ranch in November 2003 only authorized investigators to go into Jackson's main house, the arcade, and the security headquarters.

DIANE DIMOND, COURT TV: The defense is saying that on Neverland Ranch, the sheriff's department people went into places they weren't supposed to go, but when you ask them where did they go that they weren't supposed to? They mention three places which were in the security headquarters.

MARQUEZ: Long-time Jackson employee Joseph Marcus testified that Jackson's personal office, an apartment and a video library are in the same building as the security headquarters. The question for the judge will be did investigators have the right to go into other parts of the building?

DIMOND: I think the defense is picking on everything they can to get the Neverland search warrant out because that's where the sheriff's office got the most evidence.

MARQUEZ: As an example, Cochran questioned Santa Barbara County Sheriff Lieutenant Paul Zelis on why they took into evidence a magazine with a phone number of British billionaire Mohamed Al Fayed on it. Zelis would only say that they were interested in someone named Al.

And another problem for Jackson. The Santa Maria courthouse received an e-mail threat against him CNN confirmed before he and his family showed up to Monday's hearing. Police in Ontario, Canada say that a 26-year-old man was arrested and charged with one count of uttering a death threat.

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MARQUEZ: Now, this suppression of evidence hearing is expected to resume on Monday morning at 10:00 a.m. Pacific time and the biggest witness is yet to come. We just found out that Mrs. Doe, Jane Doe, the accuser's mother is now set to testify here on September 17 -- Carol. COSTELLA: Fascinating. Live from Santa Maria, California. Miguel Marquez reporting.

Jane Pauley reveals a very personal struggle. Next on 360 the talk show host tells the world of her disorder and what she's doing to treat it.

Also tonight, a sea of sharks. The filmmakers behind "Open Water" tell us how they made the movie.

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COSTELLA: Jane Pauley is one of the most familiar broadcasters in the country. In fact as host of "The Today Show" for 13 years she was one of the first people that many Americans saw as they woke up in the morning. Now she reveals a personal struggle, one that's familiar to many people. CNN's Adaora Udoji has the story.

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ADAORA UDOJI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): To the world, Jane Pauley is a superstar newswoman with an easy manner, but in her new memoir, she candidly talks about what fans can't see. Her painful battle with bipolar depression.

In a "People Magazine" excerpt, she writes about how the disease sent her to a New York City hospital, saying, "this was my home for three weeks in 2001. My tides were fluctuating back and forth, back and forth, sometimes so fast they seemed to be spinning."

Severe mood swings, a classic symptom of bipolar disorder, says psychiatrist Bruce Rubenstein.

DR. BRUCE RUBENSTEIN, PROF. OF PSYCHIATRY, NYU: The standard treatment for manic depression is what we call a mood stabilizer, and the mood stabilizer is designed to essentially not let someone get so manic.

UDOJI: Pauley says her problems started after an adverse reaction to steroids she was taking to treat hives. The hives made her feel powerful. She writes, "I was so energized that I didn't just walk down the hall, I felt like I was motoring down the hall."

The lows were debilitating, with hours spent in bed. It was also a tough time for her cartoonist husband Garry Trudeau and their three children, like millions of families who deal with this.

RUBENSTEIN: Anywhere between 1 and 3 percent will develop manic depression over the course of their lifetime.

UDOJI: She's moving forward with a new daytime talk show. She hopes some goodwill come out of her ordeal. Adaora Udoji, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE) COSTELLA: And joining me from Washington to talk more about bipolar disorder is Dr. Frederick Goodwin. He is professor of psychiatry at George Washington University Medical Center and a former director of the National Institute of Mental Health. Welcome, Doctor.

How common is this disorder?

DR. FREDERICK GOODWIN, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY MED. CTR.: It affects about 2 percent of the population, if you include the clear forms. If you go to the milder forms, maybe up to 5 percent, so even the more severe forms is about 5 million people.

COSTELLA: What are the symptoms?

GOODWIN: The symptoms are the highs and lows that Jane Pauley describe. Often we think of them as opposite. When you're high, your mind and body is racing, you feel like you can do anything, you often feel euphoric, but sometimes it gets more like irritable. You don't want to sleep, you don't need sleep, you're just racing, like she said, her motor was just racing.

COSTELLA: That sounds like so many people I know, Doctor. I want to read a quote from Jane Pauley's book. It says, "if you didn't know me well you might not have noticed anything strange. I was strange only for me."

GOODWIN: That's right. Of course, depending on the type of life somebody is in, perhaps somebody who's in the media or the entertainment world that has these intense schedules, Jane Pauley had to get up at 3:00 in the morning to get to her morning show. There's a lot of investment in how much energy people can have. So her story was interesting, because her co-workers didn't want to see it as abnormal. Her husband saw it as abnormal.

COSTELLA: And thank goodness for that. A lot of that manic behavior, at least the up part, is rewarded by people like your boss, by your friends who admire you for getting so much done.

GOODWIN: That's right. Of course, what you have to tell people is that your hypomania, your mild mania is the beginning of your next depression, because it's really depression that brings people into the doctor, that's the part that nobody likes, the husband and the patient themselves.

COSTELLA: Jane Pauley says prescribed steroids triggered her manic behavior. Should we worry?

GOODWIN: Well, she has a particular kind of case for somebody who gets it in middle age. Usually this illness starts spontaneously in teenagers and sometimes even in kids, teens and twenties. To get it in your fifties is unusual unless it's triggered by something and one of the biggest triggers are steroids. She had actually examples of three of the four big triggers. She had sleep loss from her job. She had antidepressant drugs, and she had steroids.

All three of these can in fact trigger it in somebody who has some vulnerability. Of course, if you have enough trigger, you don't have to have a lot of genetic vulnerability. Most of the time when people get it early in their life, it's a sign that they have 100 percent genetic vulnerability. As you get it later in your life, you need less genetic vulnerability, but more stress or more medication to bring it out.

COSTELLA: And it's safe to say there isn't a cure. You just control this type of condition?

GOODWIN: That's true, but it can be very well-controlled. She's on a very effective drug, Lithium, and apparently she's on a relatively low dose, which is holding her fine. I just would point out that that's true in many areas of medicine. We don't cure blood pressure, we control it. We don't cure arthritis, we control it, and manic depression is the same.

COSTELLA: Dr. Frederick Goodwin joining us live from Washington. Thank you.

It's American pie meets deliverance. Next on 360, "Without A Paddle," the newest comedy to hit the big screen. We'll take a look in our "Weekender."

Also tonight, low budget and high tension in "Open Water." We'll talk with the two people behind this shark-infested thriller.

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COSTELLA: A river runs through not one but two new movies opening up tonight. But besides the water, there's little in common between them. One's creepy, the other silly so let's check out both and a whole lot more in the "Weekender."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This never leaves the cave.

COSTELLA (voice-over): In "Without A Paddle," a trio of pals take to the wilderness for a comedic canoe trip they won't forget. They're searching for a lost treasure and along the way encounter bears, angry hillbillies, and even Burt Reynolds as a grizzled mountain man. Now that's scary.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We came up with a plan to mess you up.

COSTELLA: What's really scary is the premise behind "Mean Creek" a devious little water tale with a taste of "Lord of the Flies" thrown in. Friends plan to seek revenge on a school bully, but start questioning their plot when the bully turns out to be kind of a nice guy. Don't you hate it when that happens?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You should follow this dog. He's telling us something.

COSTELLO: If you're looking for something for the whole family, there's Benji, 17 years after his last film, the movie mutt returns in "Benji Off the Leash." Our lovable pooch is once again caught in the middle of an adventure, this time trying to save his mother. You go, Benji.

New on DVD...

JOE PESCI, ACTOR: You you this this is funny, huh? What are you looking at?

COSTELLO: Joe Pesci won an Academy Award for his role as a psychopathic wiseguy in "Goodfellas." Now one of the best mop films ever out is out again in a two-disks DVD special edition. It's got plenty of extras, including a new documentary, and commentary by director Martin Scorese.

In concert, "Blondie." Debby Harry and the band take their classic new wave punk/pop to Atlanta's Centennial Olympic Park tonight. Also performing, another 80s music maker, the Psychadelic Purrs.

And if you're near Atwood, Illinois this weekend check out the Apple Dumpling Festival for plenty of music, lots of games and maybe a few apples.

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COSTELLO: Two divers lost at sea and surrounded by sharks, that is the nightmare scenario of "Open Water," a deep sea chiller made on a shoestring budget of only $130,000. In a moment, we'll meet the husband and wife team responsible for scaring us out of our wits this summer, but first a clip from open water.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, honey. Oh, god.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're gone. They're gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jesus, Daniel, what kind are they?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Big ones.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTELLO: They're real ones, too. Yes, the sharks are real.

Joining us, Chris Kentis, the director and writer of "Open Water" and his wife Laura Lau who produced the film. Welcome.

This film is getting incredible buzz. Does that surprise you?

CHRIS KENTIS, DIRECTOR "OPEN WATER": Yes, only because Laura and I have been -- it's just been us through the whole process working alone in our apartment in Brooklyn, and certainly never really anticipated this kind of response.

COSTELLO: So, did did you do that on purpose, or is it because you couldn't get anyone interested in the film?

LAURA LAU, PRODUCER "OPEN WATER": We did it on purpose. It was really the attraction of doing this project, was something that we could completely finance ourselves and control, gave us the freedom to experiment.

COSTELLO: And for control freaks, I'm sure that's a great thing.

KENTIS: I wouldn't get that idea.

COSTELLO: $130,000, it's just hard to believe you could make a great film on that small of a budget.

KENTIS: Well, you know, the whole thing -- the whole thing that got us going was the process, the idea of just being able to work in a different way and including our families, and experiment. We didn't really think about where it was going to go. We made a movie to please ourselves. That was the goal.

COSTELLO: And talking about experimentation, real sharks were used. So, how do you control sharks?

LAU: Well, we used an expert down in the Bahamas. When it came to safety and working with the sharks, we didn't spare any expense there. So, we hired Stewart Cove, who is the Hollywood film production guy when it comes to working with sharks.

COSTELLO: So, the sharks were in cages, of course, and the actors -- no, they were not?

KENTIS: No, no, no, no, no.

COSTELLO: Gosh!

KENTIS: We were out in the open ocean and the actors were underwater. They had protective gear on, beneath their wetsuits. I was in the water with them. We never ask actors to do anything we won't do. And that's how we worked with Stewart and his people, who really understand shark behavior. And though these are wild sharks, they are very used to -- sharks are used to having divers in the water.

COSTELLO: You actually used tuna to attract them at times? We spied in the video that was sent to us. Wasn't it actually cheaper to use real sharks over computer-generated sharks, or the fake robotic sharks?

KENTIS: No. In fact at any budget level we would have worked this way. Once we decided that we wanted to tell this story, we knew that we wanted to follow through on what makes that medium exciting, which is a sense of realism, so what better way to go about telling the story than to use everything real, including real sharks.

COSTELLO: I wanted to ask you, quickly, about the story behind this story, becuase it's really based loosely on a real-life story. Tell me a bit about that. KENTIS: Well, you know, Laura and I have been SCUBA divers, for about 11 years. We're just recreational level SCUBA divers, but we get all the magazines and newsletters. And it was in the late '90s that we read about a couple that went on vacation, and they boarded a crowded dive boat. And due to a botched head count, were accidentally left behind in the water.

COSTELLO: And nobody knows today where they are?

KENTIS: No.

COSTELLO: Laura and Chris, thanks very much for joining us tonight. We appreciate it.

LAU: Thanks very much for having us.

COSTELLO: 360 next, sports fans getting in on the action, and we mean in. We'll take a look inside the box.

But first, today's "Buzz," "Which type of music best represents your politics? Rock, Country or Hip Hop?" Log on to cnn.com/360 to vote now. We'll have the results when we come back.

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COSTELLO: Much has been made of the lack of fans in the stands at the Olympics this summer, but what's clear about that situation is not the number of fans, but the quality that's important. And inside the box, the kind of fans you really want are those that get in on the action.

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COSTELLO (voice-over): Wear a tutu and jump into a pool at the Olympics, just the latest stunt by Canadian Ron Bentonon (ph) who earlier in the year came onto the ice, at the world iceskating championships. He got a fine and five months in jail for his Olympic prank, not to mention a chipped tooth and black eye, that came, he says, courtesy of the cops who were no doubt upset about black eye his stunt gave their security efforts.

In New York this week, a spectator who ran onto the field during a Mets game carrying a Howard Stern for president sign fared little better. Sentenced to eight weekends in prison and banned from Shea Stadium for 3 years during which time the team will rebuild four times. He was sentenced, actually, under New York's Calvin Klein law. So-named for the same designer who last year decided to wander onto the court during a Nicks game, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) still wouldn't pass him the ball.

ANNOUNCER: What do we have? We digress.

COSTELLO: Inside the Box, we're not sure if the desire to be part of the action stems from yearning for fame, or is more of a result of being, shall we say, overserved. But it makes us long for the days when all the athletes had to worry about, other than their opponents, was the band.

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COSTELLO: And time now for "The Buzz." "Which type of music best represents your politics? 66 percent say Rock and Roll, 23 percent voted for country, 11 percent say it's hip hop culture. And to all of your classical music and jazz fans, we did hear your cries, so factor in some votes for them too. This is not a scientific poll, but it is your "Buzz."

I'm Carol Costello in for Anderson Cooper. Up next, "PAULA ZAHN NOW."

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Another attack ad. Will a 30-year-old war continue to dominate the election?

360 starts right now.

A new ad attacks John Kerry's anti-Vietnam War record. Just who is funding the swift boat veterans' offensive?

U.S. warplanes strike again in Najaf, but can an influential Shi'ite cleric get the keys to Najaf's holy shrine from Mehdi Army fighters?

Will the battle for the White House divide the music industry? Country singer Ricky Skaggs talks politics and his efforts to get out the vote.

Jane Pauley reveals her bipolar disorder, the symptoms, the treatment for an illness that affects millions.

Our special series, Teach Your Children, tonight, Deep Springs College, a successful educational experiment where students set their own rules.

The "Blair Witch" version of "Jaws," a couple stuck in open water, based on a true story. We'll talk with the filmmakers in The Weekender.

ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

COSTELLO: The echoes of a debate that divided America 30 years ago just keep getting louder as the Vietnam War continues to dominate news from the campaign trail.

John Kerry has formally filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission that the group calling itself the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has illegal ties with the Bush campaign. That comes after the appearance today of a new ad from the group with more accusations against Kerry's military record.

With the Kerry campaign, here's CNN's Dan Lothian.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) DAN LOTHIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As Senator John Kerry toured Florida neighborhoods devastated by Hurricane Charley, his campaign was firing a legal shot at the anti-Kerry group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and the Bush-Cheney campaign.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH AD)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He betrayed us in the past. How could we be loyal to him now?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LOTHIAN: The Kerry campaign is complaining to the Federal Election Commission, saying these ads are inaccurate and are illegally coordinated with the Bush-Cheney campaign.

TAD DEVINE, KERRY CAMPAIGN SENIOR ADVISER: What the Bush campaign has done here is put out a front group to make their case, try to keep their distance from them. And obviously, the web of connections is real. The Bush campaign is doing precisely what they did four years ago against John McCain. But the truth is going to win out. These charges are scurrilous and false, the charges they've made against John Kerry, and they're not going to survive the light of day.

LOTHIAN: Kerry aides say recent press reports, including Friday's "New York Times," provide, quote, "overwhelming evidence." The Bush campaign fired back in a statement, saying, quote, "John Kerry knows that his allegation is frivolous and false."

This comes as Senator Kerry spent Friday trying to refocus on domestic issues important to voters. Addressing supporters in Charlotte, North Carolina, he touted his economic plan.

SEN. JOHN KERRY, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We're just going to go back to where we were with Bill Clinton, when people got rich and the country did well.

LOTHIAN (on camera): The Kerry campaign says it will continue to vigorously defend the senator's war record. As for the anti-Kerry ads, aides says the group behind them has a credibility problem after, quote, "being caught in lie after lie, day after day."

Dan Lothian, CNN, with the Kerry campaign in Fort Myers, Florida.

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COSTELLO: And since the first so-called swift boat ad came out two weeks ago, the allegations against John Kerry have forced him to play defense continually in an area that was perceived to be his greatest strength.

With more on the latest spot and the group behind them, here's congressional correspondent Ed Henry.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) ED HENRY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The second wave of the swift boat attack takes aim at John Kerry's dramatic and controversial 1971 testimony to a Senate committee. As head of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Kerry e repeated allegations that some U.S. soldiers had tortured innocents.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH AD)

KERRY: ... they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads...

JOE PONDER, WOUNDED NOVEMBER 1968: The accusations that John Kerry made against the veterans who served in Vietnam was just devastating.

KERRY: ... crimes committed on a day-to-day basis...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He betrayed us in the past. How could we be loyal to him now?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HENRY: But the veterans targeting Kerry are now under fire themselves, with the Democratic candidate charging the outside group is doing President Bush's dirty work. Central to that charge, Bob Perry, a Houston homebuilder who has poured $200,000 into the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad campaign.

Perry gave $46,000 to Mr. Bush's two gubernatorial campaigns and has maxed out to both of Mr. Bush's presidential campaigns. Perry is also a long-time political ally of Karl Rove, the president's chief political adviser.

DEVINE: It's the same tangled web of people who tried to do this to John McCain four years ago. And let me tell you something, it's not going to happen to John Kerry. John Kerry will fight back.

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HENRY: But some Democrats are privately grumbling that the Kerry campaign took too long to fight back and that some political damage has already been done, especially in light of a new poll showing Senator Kerry's support with veterans dropping, Carol.

COSTELLO: You know what, I was just going to ask you that. And anyway, are these charges at all provable?

HENRY: It's going to be very difficult for the Federal Election Commission to sort this out. They're not known for being very strong and very aggressive about going after these things. But I think the Kerry campaign felt that after all of the accusations, that they didn't fight hard enough after the first ad came back. They're trying to do everything they can to stop the second one.

COSTELLO: Ed Henry, live in Washington. Thank you.

President Bush is at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, response on the ad controversy coming from there.

For that, we go to CNN's Jill Dougherty, who's covering the president. She joins us live from Crawford. Hello.

JILL DOUGHERTY, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Carol.

Well, both campaigns are deploring these ads. Both say the other guy should stop it. Both have filed complaints with the FEC. But the ads keep coming.

Today we heard from the press secretary for the president, Scott McClellan. He denied there was any connection between the Bush campaign and those ads, and he also took a personal swipe at John Kerry.

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SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I do think that Senator Kerry losing his cool should not be an excuse for him to lash out at the president with false and baseless attacks. I mean, where has the Kerry (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- Kerry campaign been for the last year, while more than $62 million in funding through these shadowy groups have been used to negatively attack the president?

DOUGHERTY: So shortly after that, the news that John Kerry is going to be complaining to the FEC about those ads, and quickly a response from the Bush campaign, saying they welcome the focus on those 527s, those are the soft money groups.

And the Bush campaign spokesman, Taylor Griffin, telling CNN, quote, "For months we've been trying to shine a spotlight on the coordination between the John Kerry campaign and these 527 groups. Five-twenty-seven groups on the Democratic side have run attack ads accusing President Bush of poisoning pregnant women, complicity with the tragedies at Abu Ghraib prison, and with a hooded Statue of Liberty."

And as we said, the Bush campaign months ago actually did file two complaints, alleging this coordination between the Kerry campaign and these -- and two groups that have been putting out these ads, Carol.

COSTELLO: Jill Dougherty, live in Crawford, Texas, tonight.

Here's a fast fact about how the swift boat ads are working. A survey from the University of Pennsylvania found that more than half the country has seen or heard about the ads, mostly because of the heavy news media coverage. Forty-nine percent of those aware of the ads thought the accusations were unbelievable, 46 percent found them believable.

Ted Kennedy, you are not alone. That story tops our look at news cross-country.

Capitol Hill, longtime Georgia Congressman John Lewis says that just like Senator Kennedy, he is regularly stopped at airport security. He has a similar name to someone on a watch list.

Moss Bluff (ph), Texas, a live look at the towering inferno that's burning for a second day. The site's an underground natural gas storage facility. The gas supplies have been shut off. Officials are waiting for the fire to burn itself out.

Spring Church, Pennsylvania, somebody send Mother Nature a memo. It is still August. Dime-sized hail that resembled driving snow pelted this town east of Pittsburgh and knocked out power.

Baltimore, Maryland, the rock group Van Halen playing a new tune for the Orioles called Lawsuit. The rockers claim the Orioles backed out of a deal for Van Halen to stage a concert at Camden Yards next month. They're seeking $2 million in damages.

Los Angeles, Courtney Love's spending more time in court than on stage these days. This time she has pleaded innocent to attacking another woman with a bottle. Love is out on bail.

And that's a look at stories cross-country tonight.

360 next, murder on the beach. Two Christian camp counselors engaged to be married shot in their sleep. The latest in the investigation.

Plus, Jane Pauley's mystery revealed, her secret struggle with mental health.

And move over, Mary Lou. America's got a new Olympic sweetheart. The 16-year-old who nailed it.

But first, your picks, the most popular stories on CNN.com right now.

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COSTELLO: They said they were going to visit friends and they would be back on Sunday, but the two camp counselors never returned from a weekend trip north of San Francisco. The reason is horrific, and the mystery of why is only deepening tonight.

CNN's Thelma Gutierrez explains.

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THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Twenty-three- year-old Lindsey Cutshall and 26-year-old Jason Allen (ph) were just about to be married.

CHRIS CUTSHALL, LINDSEY'S FATHER: God bless Jason and Lindsey.

GUTIERREZ: A month before their wedding date, their families are left grieving.

CUTSHALL: We're the ones who have to bear the burden of carrying on without their presence, and, which is the source of our greatest pain, they are so beautiful, and we love them with our entire being.

GUTIERREZ: Cutshall and Allen's bodies were found in their sleeping bags with gunshot wounds to their heads.

LT. DAVE EDMONDS, SONOMA SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: This crime is obviously horrendous, and in any jurisdiction, you know, this is a terrible act, and we haven't been able to establish a motive for this crime. It's very disconcerting and disturbing.

GUTIERREZ: Disturbing for investigators, because they have no leads or suspects. Heartbreaking for the victims' families.

CUTSHALL: Most of all, we want to get a completely insane cold- blooded killer off the beaches and off the streets.

GUTIERREZ: Lindsey Cutshall and Jason Allen were youth ministers. They had been working at a Christian camp east of Sacramento. Over the weekend, they headed for a camping trip to the beach. Their bodies were discovered Wednesday.

EDMONDS: There was property of value that was at the scene, and it appears it wasn't disturbed. There's no indication that there was any struggle, nor is there any indication of any sort of sexual assault or other form of assault.

GUTIERREZ: The victims were found fully clothed in their sleeping bags near their belongings, which included a Christian book and wedding literature.

Thelma Gutierrez, CNN, Los Angeles.

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COSTELLO: Voter registration in Afghanistan turns explosive (UNINTELLIGIBLE) that tops our look at global stories in the uplink.

Western Afghanistan, six police officers wounded after several time bombs went out outside Afghan election offices run by the United Nations. Afghan officials say Taliban fighters are trying to disrupt the country's first democratic elections on October 9.

Northern Thailand, a new outbreak of bird flu, this time in ducks. In an effort to stop the spread of the disease, nearly 3,000 ducks have been killed.

Tokyo, Japan, next move, Bobby Fischer. The former chess champ plans to appeal a court's refusal to block his deportation back to the United States. Fischer is accused of violating international sanctions in playing in a chess match in the former Yugoslavia in 1992. After the court's ruling today, Fischer reportedly made anti- American and anti-Semitic remarks on a radio station.

Athens, Greece, no medal for "Playboy"'s Olympic special. Olympic organizers tried to ban the magazine's Greek edition, but a judge refused. Organizers say headlines such as "2004 Seconds of Ecstasy" and "Go for a Sexathon Gold" corrupt the Olympic image. The magazine's editors say they're just having a bit of fun.

And that's tonight's uplink.

Another U.S. gymnast has wowed the crowd and won gold at the Olympics. Carly Patterson's coach calls her Harley instead of Carly for good reason. He likes to say she's as tough as a Harley-Davidson motorcycle, and she proved that last night, coming back from eighth place to become an Olympic champion.

Here's CNN's Gary Tuchman.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The world was watching.

ANNOUNCER: The most difficult in this competition.

TUCHMAN: As Carly Patterson became the second American woman ever to win an Olympic gymnastics all-around title.

But there were two small pockets of the world where the viewing is much more personal. In Baton Rouge, Louisiana, where the 16-year- old began her training as a gymnast, a celebratory viewing party was held for those who know her, admire her, and love her. Ricky Patterson is her father.

RICK PATTERSON, CARLY'S FATHER: That was always her dream, and, you know, we just helped supported that all the way. Each, you know, as each year passed, she kept getting better and better. And so all of a sudden one day you wake up, and here it is, is a formion (ph), and she pulled through and done what she needed to do.

TUCHMAN: In the Dallas suburb of Plano, Texas, the World Olympic Gymnastics Academy is where Carly trains and where her friends are flipping out with pride.

NINA KIM, CARLY'S FRIEND: She's done it for all of us, like, she's made it come through, like, everyone's dream.

TUCHMAN: The only other American woman to win this gold medal is Mary Lou Retton in 1984. Carly says she talked to the now 36-year-old mother of four on the telephone last night.

CARLY PATTERSON, GOLD MEDAL WINNER: She knew I could do it, and she knew I had, it had, I had it in me, and she just is really proud and excited for me.

TUCHMAN: Carly's mother is with her in Athens. She'll accompany her daughter home to Texas as gymnastics royalty.

Gary Tuchman, CNN, Atlanta.

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COSTELLO: On to other Olympic royalty. U.S. swimmer Michael Phelps has ended his magnificent Olympics with an amazing gesture. Here's a quick news note. With already five gold medals and two bronze, Phelps is giving up his spot on the 400-meter medley relay team to teammate Ian Crocker. Phelps says he's doing it because, quote, "We came into this meet as a team, and we're going to leave it as a team." If the team finishes in the top three of the event on Saturday, Phelps will still get a medal because he swam in the preliminaries.

360 next, a college Utopia? No drinking, no drugs, and a lot of hard labor. Find out why young men are signing up for this academic challenge, part of our special series.

Also tonight, music in politics. Move over Hollywood, country stars are weighing in. Ricky Skaggs is our special guest.

And a little later, Michael Jackson death threats, one man arrested. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) case that keeps getting stranger and stranger.

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COSTELLO: It brings me back to the day. For more than 85 years, the students at Deep Springs College have been in charge. The students have been in charge, controlling admissions, discipline, and faculty hiring and firing. Sounds good, perhaps. But campus life in this elite school is harsh, severe isolation from the outside world. And forget about the party scene. No drugs or alcohol allowed. Not what most freshmen would call Utopia.

As we wrap up our week-long series on education, Teach Your Children, CNN's Jason Bellini examines this unique academic experience.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JASON BELLINI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They quote Camus and wax poetic about land, labor...

JULIAN PETRI, DEEP SPRINGS STUDENT: We're just in this green spot, and it's maintained by our work.

BELLINI: ... and life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a real sense of purpose here.

BELLINI: These are not your typical college students, and this is not your typical college. Since its founding in 1917, Deep Springs College, located deep in the California desert, began as an educational experiment, combining intense academics...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is he talking more about, you know, an evolutionary social inheritance...

BELLINI: ... with hard labor. The goal is to create something more than a typical college graduate.

MITCH HUNTER, DEEP SPRINGS STUDENT: Every afternoon is full, so I don't have so much free time, you know.

BELLINI (on camera): Enough time to study?

HUNTER: That depends on how quickly you study.

BELLINI: Deep Springs is a two-year college. Most if not all students transfer into prestigious four-year institutions -- Yale, Harvard, and Cornell chief among them.

(voice-over): Nearly all the students come from privileged backgrounds.

(on camera): When you go home, do you wear your cowboy hat?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, I've worn it a couple times, yes.

BELLINI (voice-over): They chose Deep Springs, they say, to do something real. Gareth Fisher from upstate New York is responsible for over 200 head of cattle.

GARETH FISHER, STUDENT, DEEP SPRINGS COLLEGE: This isn't just like, you know, going out (UNINTELLIGIBLE) go around (UNINTELLIGIBLE) for the (UNINTELLIGIBLE). That's a potential $400, $500, $600 loss if we, if this calf, if this calf doesn't get brought in.

BELLINI: Deep Springs accepts less than 10 percent of its applicants. It has a student body of 26 students, all of them men.

ROSS PETERSON, DEEP SPRINGS COLLEGE PRESIDENT: Even though every student has a full scholarship, they pay a good price in many respects to be here, and then they appreciate the rewards that come from having contributed to the school.

BELLINI: The rewards, they believe, are self-reliance and self- confidence, built through self-sacrifice. But there are rigid rules, no alcohol, no drugs, no leaving the ranch.

FISHER: I certainly miss girls (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I'm not going to lie about that, and I love the guys who are here, I love to -- all the guys here, most of the time.

JAMES WILSON, STUDENT, DEEP SPRINGS COLLEGE: It's tough to see when you're here, when you're cut off from the outside world, and you're with, you know, these 25 other really high-strung guys who are, you know, all engaged in this crazy project.

BELLINI: They don't grow up to be cowboys. Most go on to get MDs, PhDs, and law degrees. But where else, they say, could they learn so much about life?

Jason Bellini, CNN, Deep Springs, California.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COSTELLO: Will the battle for the White House divide the music industry? Country singer Ricky Skaggs talks politics and his efforts to get out the vote.

Jane Pauley reveals her bipolar disorder, the symptoms, the treatment for an illness that affects millions.

The "Blair Witch" version of "Jaws," a couple stuck in open water. Based on a true story. We'll talk with the filmmakers in The Weekender.

360 continues.

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COSTELLO: In the next hour on 360, Jane Pauley's struggle with mental illness. The famous anchor reveals a long-held secret.

But first, tonight's reset.

Oh, the presidential race turns ugly. John Kerry's campaign has filed a legal complaint with the Federal Election Commission, this after the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth released a second anti- Kerry TV ad. Kerry's campaign accuses the group of coordinating illegally with the Bush campaign. The Bush side dismisses that complaint.

Calm tonight in Najaf. U.S. military officials say combat operations were temporary suspended to allow negotiations to take place. A delegation from Iraq's interim government hopes to meet with Muqtada al-Sadr in an attempt to end the standoff at the Imam Ali Mosque.

The IRS says former baseball great Pete Rose owes nearly $1 million in back taxes, from 1997 to 2002. You might remember Rose served five months in prison 15 years ago for filing false tax returns.

Call Regis Philbin Mr. TV. "Guinness World Records" say the talk show host has logged more, logged more hours in front of the camera than anyone else on television, 15,000 hours. The previous record holder is retired longtime broadcaster Hugh Downs.

And that is tonight's reset.

Looking at this year's presidential campaign, it's pretty obvious that the candidates march to the tune of different drummers. But face the music and look closely, and it becomes clear that the issue isn't rhythm, it's pure raw politics.

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COSTELLO (voice-over): Maybe the difference between him and him comes down to the difference between this and this.

On one side are the rock stars like Bruce Springsteen, REM, and Dave Matthews. All they want to do is rock President Bush out of the White House.

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, ENTERTAINER: There's a very specific goal that we feel is worth accomplishing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And that goal is beating Bush?

SPRINGSTEEN: Yes, it is.

COSTELLA: On the other are country singers like Ricky Skaggs, Toby Keith, and Larry Gatlin. They want to keep John Kerry out of the White House.

CARLOS WATSON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: For the Republicans, country music seems to be part of NASCAR, seems to be part of that rural lifestyle that you associate today with the Republican party in the red states, whereas for John Kerry and the Democrats, rock and roll with its wildness, with its being a little bit untame, maybe, seems to capture an openness that the Democratic party would suggest they're all about.

COSTELLA: And it's not just artists. Candidates also have also embraced this difference in style.

Of course, some country singers do support John Kerry, like the Dixie Chicks, and not all rock stars are opposed to Bush like Kiss' Gene Simmons. Yet all of them want to rock the country and rock the vote in a raw politics kind of way.

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COSTELLA: And earlier we talked with country music star Ricky Skaggs about the politics behind the music and celebrity "get out the vote" movements.

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COSTELLA: Before we get into your push to get out the vote, I want to talk about why you think that country music seems to attract conservatives and Republicans, and rock music seems to attract Democrats. Why is that?

RICKY SKAGGS, PRO-BUSH COUNTRY MUSIC ARTIST: It seems as though bluegrass and country music has always seemed to play to, you know, conservative folks that love country way of life, a simple life, a simple way of life and Christian values.

COSTELLA: You know, you say that, but there doesn't really seem to be any room for dissent in country music. Why is that?

SKAGGS: Well, you know, one of the things that I've been very, very careful about is -- and this whole right to vote, you know, deal that we're doing, is that, you know, we're not out bashing John Kerry, you know? It seems as though that the left you know, vote for change, it seems what they're wanting to do -- anything to Bush-bash, anything to -- or bash Bush, to get him out of office. Anything they can do, they want to do.

COSTELLA: And you're talking about artists like Bruce Springsteen, but clearly you are for Bush. SKAGGS: Oh, yes, I am. I've never tried to hide that. As a matter of fact we've been doing some campaigning with him as recently as Wednesday up in Minneapolis, we had 18,000 folks up there. So I even supported his father, and went out and did some campaigning for him.

COSTELLA: So in saying that, what you've said just a few minutes ago kind of doesn't mesh.

SKAGGS: Well, you know, the main thing is we're trying to get people to exercise their right to vote. So many people just sit at home and they let an election go by, then they moan and groan and complain, because nothing is changing, and you know, this whole campaign we started is to get people out to vote. Go register. It's so easy now to register on-line through the DMV, you can do that right at home. You don't have to stand in line for 45 minutes to register. So it's a great thing. We're just trying to get people to get out and...

COSTELLA: Which is always a great thing. Back to the issue of dissent within the country music community. Let's talk about the Dixie Chicks. Do you think that all of the bad things that were said about the Dixie Chicks today, do you think that some of that was wrong? And why didn't any country music star rally to their defense?

SKAGGS: Well, Carol, 25 or 30 years ago that would have been treason, what they did, going to a foreign country, saying the things that they said, you know, that would have been treason. You know, we just kind of turned a blind eye to it anymore. People just kind of fuss and get mad nowadays but you know...

COSTELLA: So it went beyond a freedom of speech to you, it went to treason?

SKAGGS: I'm just saying going to a foreign land and saying things about a sitting president and saying the things they did, I just don't think that's cool.

COSTELLA: So the Dixie Chicks wanted to join you in your push to vote, you would say uh-uh?

SKAGGS: No, I would say, let's get out and vote. They're doing the thing with Bruce Springsteen through Florida and through some of the swing states. They're out there trying to get John Kerry elected, and I'm out trying to get George Bush elected, but the main thing that we're trying to do is get people to vote. I can't tell people that I'm, you know -- I can't tell you who I'm voting for, because I am for President Bush, but the main thing we're trying to do is to get people out to vote.

COSTELLA: Ricky Skaggs, thanks for joining us tonight.

SKAGGS: Thank you, Carol.

(END VIDEOTAPE) COSTELLA: So today's buzz is this: which type of music best represents your politics? Rock, country or hip-hop. Log on to CNN.com/360 to vote. We'll have the results for you at the end of the show.

Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch has tigers, a train station, and for one day last year, cops, by the dozens. They fanned out across the estate collecting evidence in the molestation case against the singer. What they did and how they did it took center stage today at Jackson's pre-trial hearing. Here's more from CNN's Miguel Marques.

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MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It is another legal thrust by Jackson's lawyers to keep a jury from hearing potentially damaging evidence. Jackson lawyer Steve Cochran argued that the warrant for the search of Neverland Ranch in November 2003 only authorized investigators to go into Jackson's main house, the arcade, and the security headquarters.

DIANE DIMOND, COURT TV: The defense is saying that on Neverland Ranch, the sheriff's department people went into places they weren't supposed to go, but when you ask them where did they go that they weren't supposed to? They mention three places which were in the security headquarters.

MARQUEZ: Long-time Jackson employee Joseph Marcus testified that Jackson's personal office, an apartment and a video library are in the same building as the security headquarters. The question for the judge will be did investigators have the right to go into other parts of the building?

DIMOND: I think the defense is picking on everything they can to get the Neverland search warrant out because that's where the sheriff's office got the most evidence.

MARQUEZ: As an example, Cochran questioned Santa Barbara County Sheriff Lieutenant Paul Zelis on why they took into evidence a magazine with a phone number of British billionaire Mohamed Al Fayed on it. Zelis would only say that they were interested in someone named Al.

And another problem for Jackson. The Santa Maria courthouse received an e-mail threat against him CNN confirmed before he and his family showed up to Monday's hearing. Police in Ontario, Canada say that a 26-year-old man was arrested and charged with one count of uttering a death threat.

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MARQUEZ: Now, this suppression of evidence hearing is expected to resume on Monday morning at 10:00 a.m. Pacific time and the biggest witness is yet to come. We just found out that Mrs. Doe, Jane Doe, the accuser's mother is now set to testify here on September 17 -- Carol. COSTELLA: Fascinating. Live from Santa Maria, California. Miguel Marquez reporting.

Jane Pauley reveals a very personal struggle. Next on 360 the talk show host tells the world of her disorder and what she's doing to treat it.

Also tonight, a sea of sharks. The filmmakers behind "Open Water" tell us how they made the movie.

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COSTELLA: Jane Pauley is one of the most familiar broadcasters in the country. In fact as host of "The Today Show" for 13 years she was one of the first people that many Americans saw as they woke up in the morning. Now she reveals a personal struggle, one that's familiar to many people. CNN's Adaora Udoji has the story.

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ADAORA UDOJI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): To the world, Jane Pauley is a superstar newswoman with an easy manner, but in her new memoir, she candidly talks about what fans can't see. Her painful battle with bipolar depression.

In a "People Magazine" excerpt, she writes about how the disease sent her to a New York City hospital, saying, "this was my home for three weeks in 2001. My tides were fluctuating back and forth, back and forth, sometimes so fast they seemed to be spinning."

Severe mood swings, a classic symptom of bipolar disorder, says psychiatrist Bruce Rubenstein.

DR. BRUCE RUBENSTEIN, PROF. OF PSYCHIATRY, NYU: The standard treatment for manic depression is what we call a mood stabilizer, and the mood stabilizer is designed to essentially not let someone get so manic.

UDOJI: Pauley says her problems started after an adverse reaction to steroids she was taking to treat hives. The hives made her feel powerful. She writes, "I was so energized that I didn't just walk down the hall, I felt like I was motoring down the hall."

The lows were debilitating, with hours spent in bed. It was also a tough time for her cartoonist husband Garry Trudeau and their three children, like millions of families who deal with this.

RUBENSTEIN: Anywhere between 1 and 3 percent will develop manic depression over the course of their lifetime.

UDOJI: She's moving forward with a new daytime talk show. She hopes some goodwill come out of her ordeal. Adaora Udoji, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE) COSTELLA: And joining me from Washington to talk more about bipolar disorder is Dr. Frederick Goodwin. He is professor of psychiatry at George Washington University Medical Center and a former director of the National Institute of Mental Health. Welcome, Doctor.

How common is this disorder?

DR. FREDERICK GOODWIN, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY MED. CTR.: It affects about 2 percent of the population, if you include the clear forms. If you go to the milder forms, maybe up to 5 percent, so even the more severe forms is about 5 million people.

COSTELLA: What are the symptoms?

GOODWIN: The symptoms are the highs and lows that Jane Pauley describe. Often we think of them as opposite. When you're high, your mind and body is racing, you feel like you can do anything, you often feel euphoric, but sometimes it gets more like irritable. You don't want to sleep, you don't need sleep, you're just racing, like she said, her motor was just racing.

COSTELLA: That sounds like so many people I know, Doctor. I want to read a quote from Jane Pauley's book. It says, "if you didn't know me well you might not have noticed anything strange. I was strange only for me."

GOODWIN: That's right. Of course, depending on the type of life somebody is in, perhaps somebody who's in the media or the entertainment world that has these intense schedules, Jane Pauley had to get up at 3:00 in the morning to get to her morning show. There's a lot of investment in how much energy people can have. So her story was interesting, because her co-workers didn't want to see it as abnormal. Her husband saw it as abnormal.

COSTELLA: And thank goodness for that. A lot of that manic behavior, at least the up part, is rewarded by people like your boss, by your friends who admire you for getting so much done.

GOODWIN: That's right. Of course, what you have to tell people is that your hypomania, your mild mania is the beginning of your next depression, because it's really depression that brings people into the doctor, that's the part that nobody likes, the husband and the patient themselves.

COSTELLA: Jane Pauley says prescribed steroids triggered her manic behavior. Should we worry?

GOODWIN: Well, she has a particular kind of case for somebody who gets it in middle age. Usually this illness starts spontaneously in teenagers and sometimes even in kids, teens and twenties. To get it in your fifties is unusual unless it's triggered by something and one of the biggest triggers are steroids. She had actually examples of three of the four big triggers. She had sleep loss from her job. She had antidepressant drugs, and she had steroids.

All three of these can in fact trigger it in somebody who has some vulnerability. Of course, if you have enough trigger, you don't have to have a lot of genetic vulnerability. Most of the time when people get it early in their life, it's a sign that they have 100 percent genetic vulnerability. As you get it later in your life, you need less genetic vulnerability, but more stress or more medication to bring it out.

COSTELLA: And it's safe to say there isn't a cure. You just control this type of condition?

GOODWIN: That's true, but it can be very well-controlled. She's on a very effective drug, Lithium, and apparently she's on a relatively low dose, which is holding her fine. I just would point out that that's true in many areas of medicine. We don't cure blood pressure, we control it. We don't cure arthritis, we control it, and manic depression is the same.

COSTELLA: Dr. Frederick Goodwin joining us live from Washington. Thank you.

It's American pie meets deliverance. Next on 360, "Without A Paddle," the newest comedy to hit the big screen. We'll take a look in our "Weekender."

Also tonight, low budget and high tension in "Open Water." We'll talk with the two people behind this shark-infested thriller.

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COSTELLA: A river runs through not one but two new movies opening up tonight. But besides the water, there's little in common between them. One's creepy, the other silly so let's check out both and a whole lot more in the "Weekender."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This never leaves the cave.

COSTELLA (voice-over): In "Without A Paddle," a trio of pals take to the wilderness for a comedic canoe trip they won't forget. They're searching for a lost treasure and along the way encounter bears, angry hillbillies, and even Burt Reynolds as a grizzled mountain man. Now that's scary.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We came up with a plan to mess you up.

COSTELLA: What's really scary is the premise behind "Mean Creek" a devious little water tale with a taste of "Lord of the Flies" thrown in. Friends plan to seek revenge on a school bully, but start questioning their plot when the bully turns out to be kind of a nice guy. Don't you hate it when that happens?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You should follow this dog. He's telling us something.

COSTELLO: If you're looking for something for the whole family, there's Benji, 17 years after his last film, the movie mutt returns in "Benji Off the Leash." Our lovable pooch is once again caught in the middle of an adventure, this time trying to save his mother. You go, Benji.

New on DVD...

JOE PESCI, ACTOR: You you this this is funny, huh? What are you looking at?

COSTELLO: Joe Pesci won an Academy Award for his role as a psychopathic wiseguy in "Goodfellas." Now one of the best mop films ever out is out again in a two-disks DVD special edition. It's got plenty of extras, including a new documentary, and commentary by director Martin Scorese.

In concert, "Blondie." Debby Harry and the band take their classic new wave punk/pop to Atlanta's Centennial Olympic Park tonight. Also performing, another 80s music maker, the Psychadelic Purrs.

And if you're near Atwood, Illinois this weekend check out the Apple Dumpling Festival for plenty of music, lots of games and maybe a few apples.

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COSTELLO: Two divers lost at sea and surrounded by sharks, that is the nightmare scenario of "Open Water," a deep sea chiller made on a shoestring budget of only $130,000. In a moment, we'll meet the husband and wife team responsible for scaring us out of our wits this summer, but first a clip from open water.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, honey. Oh, god.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're gone. They're gone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jesus, Daniel, what kind are they?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Big ones.

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COSTELLO: They're real ones, too. Yes, the sharks are real.

Joining us, Chris Kentis, the director and writer of "Open Water" and his wife Laura Lau who produced the film. Welcome.

This film is getting incredible buzz. Does that surprise you?

CHRIS KENTIS, DIRECTOR "OPEN WATER": Yes, only because Laura and I have been -- it's just been us through the whole process working alone in our apartment in Brooklyn, and certainly never really anticipated this kind of response.

COSTELLO: So, did did you do that on purpose, or is it because you couldn't get anyone interested in the film?

LAURA LAU, PRODUCER "OPEN WATER": We did it on purpose. It was really the attraction of doing this project, was something that we could completely finance ourselves and control, gave us the freedom to experiment.

COSTELLO: And for control freaks, I'm sure that's a great thing.

KENTIS: I wouldn't get that idea.

COSTELLO: $130,000, it's just hard to believe you could make a great film on that small of a budget.

KENTIS: Well, you know, the whole thing -- the whole thing that got us going was the process, the idea of just being able to work in a different way and including our families, and experiment. We didn't really think about where it was going to go. We made a movie to please ourselves. That was the goal.

COSTELLO: And talking about experimentation, real sharks were used. So, how do you control sharks?

LAU: Well, we used an expert down in the Bahamas. When it came to safety and working with the sharks, we didn't spare any expense there. So, we hired Stewart Cove, who is the Hollywood film production guy when it comes to working with sharks.

COSTELLO: So, the sharks were in cages, of course, and the actors -- no, they were not?

KENTIS: No, no, no, no, no.

COSTELLO: Gosh!

KENTIS: We were out in the open ocean and the actors were underwater. They had protective gear on, beneath their wetsuits. I was in the water with them. We never ask actors to do anything we won't do. And that's how we worked with Stewart and his people, who really understand shark behavior. And though these are wild sharks, they are very used to -- sharks are used to having divers in the water.

COSTELLO: You actually used tuna to attract them at times? We spied in the video that was sent to us. Wasn't it actually cheaper to use real sharks over computer-generated sharks, or the fake robotic sharks?

KENTIS: No. In fact at any budget level we would have worked this way. Once we decided that we wanted to tell this story, we knew that we wanted to follow through on what makes that medium exciting, which is a sense of realism, so what better way to go about telling the story than to use everything real, including real sharks.

COSTELLO: I wanted to ask you, quickly, about the story behind this story, becuase it's really based loosely on a real-life story. Tell me a bit about that. KENTIS: Well, you know, Laura and I have been SCUBA divers, for about 11 years. We're just recreational level SCUBA divers, but we get all the magazines and newsletters. And it was in the late '90s that we read about a couple that went on vacation, and they boarded a crowded dive boat. And due to a botched head count, were accidentally left behind in the water.

COSTELLO: And nobody knows today where they are?

KENTIS: No.

COSTELLO: Laura and Chris, thanks very much for joining us tonight. We appreciate it.

LAU: Thanks very much for having us.

COSTELLO: 360 next, sports fans getting in on the action, and we mean in. We'll take a look inside the box.

But first, today's "Buzz," "Which type of music best represents your politics? Rock, Country or Hip Hop?" Log on to cnn.com/360 to vote now. We'll have the results when we come back.

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COSTELLO: Much has been made of the lack of fans in the stands at the Olympics this summer, but what's clear about that situation is not the number of fans, but the quality that's important. And inside the box, the kind of fans you really want are those that get in on the action.

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COSTELLO (voice-over): Wear a tutu and jump into a pool at the Olympics, just the latest stunt by Canadian Ron Bentonon (ph) who earlier in the year came onto the ice, at the world iceskating championships. He got a fine and five months in jail for his Olympic prank, not to mention a chipped tooth and black eye, that came, he says, courtesy of the cops who were no doubt upset about black eye his stunt gave their security efforts.

In New York this week, a spectator who ran onto the field during a Mets game carrying a Howard Stern for president sign fared little better. Sentenced to eight weekends in prison and banned from Shea Stadium for 3 years during which time the team will rebuild four times. He was sentenced, actually, under New York's Calvin Klein law. So-named for the same designer who last year decided to wander onto the court during a Nicks game, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) still wouldn't pass him the ball.

ANNOUNCER: What do we have? We digress.

COSTELLO: Inside the Box, we're not sure if the desire to be part of the action stems from yearning for fame, or is more of a result of being, shall we say, overserved. But it makes us long for the days when all the athletes had to worry about, other than their opponents, was the band.

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COSTELLO: And time now for "The Buzz." "Which type of music best represents your politics? 66 percent say Rock and Roll, 23 percent voted for country, 11 percent say it's hip hop culture. And to all of your classical music and jazz fans, we did hear your cries, so factor in some votes for them too. This is not a scientific poll, but it is your "Buzz."

I'm Carol Costello in for Anderson Cooper. Up next, "PAULA ZAHN NOW."

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