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Massacre at Red Lake High
Aired March 22, 2005 - 19:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST: Good evening from New York. I'm Anderson Cooper.
A massacre in Minnesota, blamed on one lonely boy.
360 starts now.
Massacre at Red Lake High. Nine killed, seven injured by a 16- year-old who called himself Native Nazi. Tonight, who is Jeff Weise, and what sent him on a sickening killing spree?
Blood in the halls of Red Lake High. What it was like inside the school when the shots began, and what happened in those final moments before the killer turned the gun on himself.
The battle turns over Terri Schiavo, the latest legal maneuvers, and shocking allegations against her husband. Terri Schiavo's former nurse speaks out. But is she telling the truth? Or is this a dirty tactic to keep Terri alive?
Michael Jackson, crying in court, dazed and confused. If his case is going well, why does it seem like the singer is falling apart? Tonight, his former spiritual adviser speaks out about drugs, hangers- on, and Michael Jackson's mental health.
And caught on tape, the harrowing rescue of nine coal miners.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All nine are alive.
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COOPER: The story gripped the nation. Tonight, find out whatever happened to the Quecreek Nine.
ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is a special two-hour edition of ANDERSON COOPER 360.
COOPER: Good evening.
There is a lot to talk about tonight. It has happened again. A school full of kids, a confused young by, grief and anger descends.
Red Lake, Minnesota, 10 people dead, one of them the boy police say became a cold-blooded killer. His name is Jeff Weise, 16 years old, a student at Red Lake High. And investigators say he was the grandson of one of the two people killed outside the school.
When it was all over there in Red Lake, north of Bmidgy (ph), after nine people had been fatally shot, Jeff Weise apparently turned his gun on himself.
CNN's Sean Callebs has more now on this dreadful story.
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SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Minnesota's capital of St. Paul, an emotional tribute to those who died at the Red Lake Reservation. Native American groups say this fire will burn for four days, but the pain and anguish here will last much longer.
DR. JOE CORSER, NORTH COUNTY REGIONAL HOSPITAL: I think that everybody here understands what a huge tragedy this is for the Red Lake community.
CALLEBS: The suspect, 16-year-old Jeffrey Weise, apparently had a history of visiting neo-Nazi Web sites, and apparently went on a Nazi Web page, where he dubbed himself the Angel of Death, then, with a handgun and shotgun, went on a shooting rampage. The FBI won't comment on Weise's alleged connection to Internet hate groups.
Tribal leaders here say the community is devastated.
FLOYD JOURDAIN, RED LAKE TRIBAL CHIEF: We have never seen anything like this in the history of our tribe. And without doubt, this is the darkest days in the history of our people.
CALLEBS: The FBI says Weise apparently first killed his grandfather and his companion. The suspect's grandfather was a long- time reservation police officer.
MICHAEL TABMAN, FBI: Mr. Weise, then, we believe, took the police bulletproof vest and gun belt of his grandfather, donned those, got into the police vehicle his grandfather had, and drove to the school.
CALLEBS: There he shot and killed seven and wounded many others. After exchanging gunfire with police, Weise apparently took his own life.
The FBI says there is videotape of Weise stalking the halls of the school, but say the tape and 911 calls are not being released at this time.
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CALLEBS: And live now at the Red Lake Reservation, authorities say they also are convinced that Weise acted alone, but they say he did not leave a suicide note, and, Anderson, did not have a list of intended victims.
COOPER: Sean, at this point, I mean, I know this information at this point is very fragmentary. Do we know, was this in one classroom, was this in the halls? Do we know anything about what happened exactly inside that school?
CALLEBS: Yes, we do. We can tell you that apparently, Weise drove his grandfather's police car right up to the door, then walked inside through a metal detector, while wearing the bulletproof vest and carrying the weapons. So at that point, he was confronted by an unarmed guard at the door. That is the first person that Weise apparently killed in the school.
Then he went into one classroom, shot a number of students there, back out into the hall, and that's when the security cameras began capturing images of Weise in the all. Didn't see him firing the weapons. He went into one other classroom, and at that point, he began exchanging gunfire with police, then he went back into the first classroom, and that, authorities say, is where he took his own life.
COOPER: All right, Sean Callebs, thanks for that.
The shooting is the worst since the killings in Columbine High School. That was back in 1999. And today, knowing that there are a lot of kids right now, and a lot of parents right now in pain in Minnesota, many of the kids and the parents who lived through Columbine are offering their experiences and their prayers.
Darell Scott is the father of Rachel Joy Scott. She was just 17 year old on the night of her (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- Obviously that's not Rachel Scott. On the night of her prom, her date said she looked like a movie star. Rachel Scott was the first to die at Columbine High.
Darell, right now in Minnesota, there are some parents who are going through exactly what you went through after the attack in Columbine. You were brought to the school, all the parents were brought to the school. Some of them were, were told, you know, hooked up again with their, with their kids, but no one ever called out your, your, your daughter's name. What, what happened?
DARELL SCOTT, DAUGHTER DIED AT COLUMBINE: Well, I had been across town when I got a phone call from my wife saying that there had been a shooting. And I rushed across town, went to an elementary school, where they were telling parents and grandparents to wait for children.
And I -- it was just a long day, as bus after bus came, and children got off of the buses. And we kept looking for Rachel. We had heard from my son, Craig, who was in the library. Craig experienced -- he came so close to dying. His two close friends were killed beside him. And he was just seconds away from being shot himself.
But I think just the agony of not knowing what had happened. And we didn't get official word until the next day that Rachel was one of the victims. But, of course, by midnight that night, we pretty much knew that she was.
COOPER: And your advice to parents who are going through, I mean, this, this thing, if it's something, I guess, that no one can, can really understand unless they've been through it. SCOTT: Right now, they just need the love of their friends and family. They don't need advice from people like me or people that they don't know. And yes, we, all of us from Columbine and the other school shootings certainly know what they're going through. And we feel for them, we pray for them, think about them. And our heart goes out to them.
But they just need to be loved by their family and friends and people close to them.
COOPER: Rachel once wrote, "I have this theory that if one person will go out of their way to share compassion and kindness, it'll start a chain reaction of the same." As, as you look at these school shootings now, I mean, do you understand them? Do they make sense to you in any way?
SCOTT: You know, there's a lot of elements that I think go into the school shootings. But the two common threads that I personally see are a combination of isolated kids, who feel put down or pushed around or picked on or teased, that combination, that desperation, coupled with the access they have of the violent influences in our society, through the media, through games that they play, things that weren't there when I was a kid.
And I think that's -- that combination is a deadly combination. When you have access to so much violence, access to things that we couldn't see when I -- The worst violence I saw on television was on "The Andy Griffith Show" with Opie getting into a fight over a, you know, peanut butter sandwich.
But today, unfortunately, they can see just about everything there is to see and experience it vicariously.
COOPER: And I know you go around to schools, talking and sharing Rachel's message. How are you doing, how's your family doing? How's Craig doing?
SCOTT: We're doing good. My son, Craig, is wanting to be a movie producer someday. He's going to college right now. And our family's doing great. We have a program with seven speakers that go into high schools and middle schools. It's called Rachel's Challenge. And we've been in roughly 1,000 schools here in America, middle schools high schools and schools around the world, actually.
And we're seeing a lot of good results. We see statistically violent crime go down in the schools, attendance records go up. And the program's just exploding.
COOPER: Well, Darell, (UNINTELLIGIBLE), it's a pleasure to talk to you. I'm sorry it's under these circumstances. But I'm glad you came in and talking about Rachel and Craig and your family (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
SCOTT: Well, thank you, and our hearts really do go out to those people.
COOPER: They certainly do.
We got a number of other stories to cover in this hour. But we're going to be devoting our entire hour at 8:00 to the massacre at Red Lake High.
Take a look at the photo of the alleged killer. I mean, you look at this kid's photo, there's no hint of the darkness that he was about to unleash. It's hard to imagine him a killer.
At 8:00, we're going to go in depth, what we know about this boy's life. What we just discovered, he may have been sending messages to a alleged neo-Nazi Web site. Called himself Native Nazi. We'll take a look at that, and all the other details we know about him, at 8:00.
Coming up next on 360, life-and-death decision. The parents of Terri Schiavo, they lost another round in court this morning. They got another round in court to go. It could break any minute. We'll bring it to you live.
We're also going to look at the accusations against Terri Schiavo's husband, who pulled her feeding tube. Those attacks against him are intensifying. We're going to take a close look at what is becoming an extremely personal battle.
Also tonight, the rescue that gripped the nation. Nine men trapped in a flooded Pennsylvania mine. Whatever happened to them now? We're going to take a look, bring you up to date.
And a little bit later, Michael Jackson, seemingly dazed, confused. Is he under the influence of medication, or just bad advice? We're going to speak to his former spiritual adviser, who says the pop star is spinning out of control.
All that ahead. First, let's take a look at your picks, what you think the popular stories right now on CNN.com.
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MARY SCHINDLER, TERRI SCHIAVO'S MOTHER: For the love of God, I'm begging you, don't let my daughter die of thirst.
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COOPER: That was Terri Schiavo's mom earlier today.
It's been 101 hours since the feeding tube that supplies her with food and water and life was disconnected. Her parents say she is "fading quickly." Those are their words.
And tonight, they are making perhaps their last plea to keep her alive. Now, earlier today, Robert and Mary Schindler were dealt a major setback when a federal court denied their request to reinsert the tube. They immediately filed an appeal to a higher court, and a ruling is expected at any moment. We, of course, going to bring that to you live if it happens.
Strategically, however, the battle over Terri Schiavo has really taken a turn in the last 24 hours. Terri's husband, Michael, has become a target. He's been vilified, called all sorts of things. Tonight, we take a hard look at what is being said about him and what's true and not.
CNN's John Zarrella is following the story.
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JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As Terri Schiavo enters her fifth day without food or water, both sides are pulling out the stops to sway the debate. Now, a former nurse who cared for Terri in the mid 1990s has accused Michael Schiavo of wanting his wife dead.
CARLA SAUER IYER, TERRI SCHIAVO'S FORMER NURSE: I saw some, you know, needle marks underneath her breasts, underneath her arm, and in her groin. She was lethargic, she was restless, she was sweating profusely.
ZARRELLA: The day after Carla Sauer Iyer says she told her story to police, she says she was fired.
IYER: I was terminated the next day, but the police were questioning me, Did you actually see the needle go into Terri's arm from Michael? And I said, No, I did not see the needle, because he had the door closed.
ZARRELLA: Police investigated these and other allegations and found no evidence. Michael Schiavo's attorney, Hamdin Baskin, tells CNN there is no proof of any of her allegations, which, he says, quote, "we've heard over and over."
Iyer was fired in 1996 for ignoring Michael Schiavo's requests and for poor care, the hospital has said in the past.
The facility was sold six years ago, and the new owners say no records were left behind.
The man who wrote the report on Terri Schiavo for the governor in 2003 says Michael was demanding in the care he expected for Terri, insisting on the best care possible for Terri.
DR. JAY WOLFSON, UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN FLORIDA: Michael was so demanding of the medical staff, of the staff of the facility, that there was an effort to initiate injunctions against him, stop him from coming in, because he was demanding so much.
ZARRELLA: The nurse's allegations first surfaced in 2003, when Terri's feeding tube was removed for six days. Now, they are back, and with each round lost in court, questions of Michael Schiavo's character have intensified. There's almost as much talk about Michael today as there is about saving Terri.
(END VIDEOTAPE) ZARRELLA: Here at the hospice tonight, Terri Schiavo's family members, her father and her sister, have gathered to keep the vigil and to await the 11th Circuit Court. In fact, just a few minutes ago, her father and sister went into the hospice to visit with Terri.
And while this is going on here, in Tallahassee, Governor Bush received a letter from Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist urging the governor to get the Florida legislature to work quickly and swiftly to pass a bill that would, in essence, give the Schindlers, Terri's parents, another avenue of appeal, Anderson.
COOPER: So John, I just want to be absolutely clear. This nurse's allegations against Terri Schiavo's husband, I mean, they've been investigated by police, and police have determined there's no truth to them, is that correct?
ZARRELLA: That's absolutely accurate. They were investigated. In fact, as we heard in the piece, the one man who wrote the report for the governor looked at all of those allegations as well, and all of that was part of the court record. It was thoroughly investigated, as were other allegations. And they were all deemed to be baseless.
COOPER: All right, John Zarrella, thanks for the clarification. Appreciate it.
We've been getting flooded with your e-mails about this story on both sides, really.
This tragedy, there's another story, though, about a life in the balance that has also caught our attention. In a Texas hospital last week, a little boy, whose name was Sun Hudson, he was just 5 months old. He was on life support. His mother didn't want to end his life, but the hospital said there was no hope, and by law, by Texas law, they could terminate treatment.
Now, that law in Texas was signed by then-Governor George W. Bush. The president's critics are now saying, How come erring on the side of the life is OK for Terri Schiavo, but not for little Sun Hudson?
As always, we don't take sides on 360. We like to look at all the angles on a story. So with all the angles tonight, here's CNN's White House correspondent, Suzanne Malveaux.
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Since he was born, Sun Hudson had to fight for his life. He was kept alive on a ventilator, but hospital officials said his case was futile, and recommended discontinuing life support.
The infant's mother, Wanda Hudson, objected, but last week, the boy's breathing tube was removed, and he died minutes later.
WANDA HUDSON, INFANT'S MOTHER: They took him off the ventilator, and he breathed his last breath, and that was it. MALVEAUX: The hospital used a Texas law signed in 1999 by then- Governor George Bush, and amended in 2003 to include minors' cases, which allows doctors to make the final call on terminating treatment.
Dr. Thomas Mayo helped draft the legislation.
DR. THOMAS MAYO, SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY: When the doctors disagree with the decision maker, in this case the family decision maker, after they have gone through the requirements of the statute, the hospital may remove life support over the family's objections.
MALVEAUX: Now, President Bush's signing of Terri's Law, which moved Terri Schiavo's case to federal court in an effort to save her life, has put a spotlight on Mr. Bush's past and present treatment of the matter.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It is wise to always Eric Robert Rudolph on the side of life.
MALVEAUX: Critics charge hypocrisy.
REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ (D), FLORIDA: There is an obvious conflict here between the president's feelings on this matter now, as compared to when he was governor of Texas.
MAYO: I don't see as a conflict, and I don't see the president's being hypocritical.
MALVEAUX: The Texas law included new provisions sought by right- to-life advocates to buy families more time and more options for their dying loved ones.
MAYO: There's a 10-day, mandatory 10-day waiting period to allow for the possibility of a transfer to another hospital, to allow for a trip to the courthouse.
MALVEAUX: Consistent, the White House says, with President Bush's action in the Schiavo case.
SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: So this law really was based on putting in new protections for someone when their life was at stake. And so that's consistent with what the president's view has always been, that we should be on the side of defending life at all stages.
MALVEAUX: And defining life the heart of the controversy.
Suzanne Malveaux, CNN, the White House.
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COOPER: Well, a tense hostage stand off in New Jersey. Erica Hill from headline News joins us at about a quarter past with the latest. Hey, Erica.
ERICA HILL, CNN HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Hi, Anderson. Yes, an apparent hostage situation, luckily, ended peacefully in Brunswick, New Jersey today, after six hours. Police, at this point, still trying to determine what happened. A teenage girl called 911 this morning, saying she was raped and was handcuffed to the bed. Shortly after that, a male called police and said he weapons and would kill the girl and anyone who tried to entered the house. Two man and a teenage girl are now in custody. Police are trying to determine whether to file charges.
The Montana painter accused of trying to kidnap David Letterman's young son pleaded not guilty to the charged today. He will remain in jail on $650,000 bond. Meantime on his show last night, Letterman thanked several law enforcement officials for helping to unravel the alleged plot. And he thanked the residents of Chuga (ph), Montana, where he has a ranch for their hospitality.
Help has arrived for a disabled fish processing ship in the Gulf of Alaska. A Coast Guard cutter is towing the vessel to safety. The ship's steering system failed yesterday. It was being tossed about in 20 foot seas, and near hurricane strength wind. There more than 200 people aboard. No injuries have been reported.
Prince Rainier of Monaco is now in intensive care. His three children rushed to be at his bed side. He was hospitalized two weeks ago with a chest infection. He's been in poor health in recent years. And obviously, the family watching that very closely, Anderson.
COOPER: OK, thanks. We'll see you again in about 30 minutes. It's about 21 past the hour.
360 next, though, nine men trapped in a flooded mine 234 feet under ground. The dramatic rescue caught on tape. It gripped a nation. Everyone remembers, really, where they were when they were watching this. Tonight, we're going to tell you what ever happened to those miners.
Also ahead tonight, what is going on with Michael Jackson. Find out why his former spiritual adviser says he is spinning out of control. He's showing up late. He's looking like he's going to throw up in court. What's going on?
Plus, are you stressed out at work, maybe at life. Well, 360 M.D., Sanjay Gupta is here to tell you that stress, it may be effecting your memory. If you don't believe me, as we go to break, lets take our memory quiz right now.
Try this. Remember these words, boat, glass, apple, bear and table. Now, count backwards from 100 to zero by three backwards --100 to zero by three. We'll find out how many words you can remember when we come back.
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COOPER: All right. Before we went to break, we give you a memory quiz. We asked you to remember some words while counting back. So how any words did you remember, three, four, five? All right, well here's a look again at the words we challenged you to memorize. Boat, glass, apple, bear, and table. How did you do? I think I got, like, one of them. It's not actually easy because our short term memory is really limited. It retained only seven bits of information for about 25 seconds. That's why a seven digit phone number is easier to remember than your credit card number. As we continue our series, "Refresh Your Memory," 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta visited the military's elite survival school at Fort Brag in North Carolina to see how stress effects all of our memory.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not going to listen to any more lies from you. You've been lying to me off and on, ever since we've started this interview.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You'd think it would be unforgettable. Imagine, nearly an hour face to face, an interrogator leans in, cajoling and then threatening, demanding the code word.
This is the military's elite survival school at Ft. Bragg in North Carolina. The final exam, three days of hell. Hiding in starvation in the woods, inevitable capture, an interrogation by an instructor playing the role of a brutal warden at a POW camp. If you want to study the effect of stress on memory, this is the place.
Dr. Andy Morgan of Yale University test the trainees during the mock interrogation. Not surprisingly, he found that stress, measured by hormone levels, is extremely high.
DR. ANDY MORGAN, YALE UNIVERSITY: When I say extraordinary high, I mean specifically, it's higher than levels we have seen in people who are landing on an aircraft carrier at night for the first time. It's higher than people who are skydiving for the first time. So, the physical pressure can be up. People can actually physically touch them. And their heart rate goes way up to about 165, 175 beats a minute.
GUPTA: A day later, Morgan showed trainees a line up, like ones used by police. Could they identify the guard who was grilling them. Remarkably, the answer for most was no. Details of the training are classified. The military did not let us film the mock interrogation, but we can say the interrogator's face is uncovered and comes within inches of the squirming prisoner. And yet, when shown a set of photos, only 34 percent could identify the man or women who had confronted them. In the experiment, the eyes weren't covered as they are here.
MORGAN: People picked a male when it was a female that interrogated them. We had people who were interrogated by white men who picked black men in the line up and other minorities. We had people who were picking folks as their interrogator who have hair on their head, when in fact, their interrogator was bald.
GUPTA: When photos were shown one by one, instead of all at once, accuracy was a little better, but still just 49 percent. Memory may have suffered from lack of food and sleep, but Morgan says stress was the key. And that more stress the trainee registered, the less accurate he was.
MORGAN: So, if a high stress event, whether you do live line ups, photo spreads or the sequential photo line up, you would have done better flipping a coin.
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GUPTA: And we do remember most important things, Anderson. Whether it's the name of somebody who's very familiar or the face or the smell, for example of chocolate chip cookies. The problem is the details -- the devils in the details. And while stress makes are memory stronger, it just makes the history of a memory stronger, not necessarily all the details, Anderson.
COOPER: I must have a terrible memory, because I could not identify that guy in any of those pictures. You know, we all have stressful situations at work. What can you, actually, do to help your memory in that situation, in the work place.
GUPTA: Yes. I mean, we are certainly all under stress. There's some strategies you can have to try to be the most productive that you can possibly be. For example, find the sweet spot in your day. And what I mean by that, is find that part of the day where you're most productive, and try and do your brain intensive work at that time. Also, If you can work in a workout during the day, that's a really good idea.
Oxygenated blood to the brain really helps your thinking as well. They're other things too, in terms of just little things. If you're having a hard time remembering something, try to re-create conditions when the event happened. That usually will spark your memory. That goes for testing as well. If you're going to be taking a text the next, try to reapproximate the conditions. Write things down, say things out loud as well. I'm going to be on ANDERSON COOPER at 7:25 -- see, and here I am. I wrote it down.
COOPER: Dr. Gupta, thanks very much.
Our series continues tomorrow with a look at haunting memories, memories that we wish we could forget, but our brain just won't go.
Michael Jackson, crying in court, dazed and confused. If his case is going well, why does it seem like the singer is falling apart? Tonight, his former spiritual adviser speaks out about drugs, hangers- on, and Michael Jackson's mental health.
And "Caught on Tape:" the harrowing rescue of nine coal minors.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All nine are alive.
(END VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: The story gripped the nation. Tonight, find out whatever happened to the Quecreek nine.
360 continues.
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COOPER: Well, that was a dazed and confused-looking Michael Jackson yesterday as he struggled just to walk into the court room. It was the third time since the trial began that his health became an issue. Later on he started crying.
It supplies a lot of fodder, maybe, for late night comics but Jackson's appearance is no joke to his formal spiritual adviser. In fact, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach fears Jackson's health may be a matter of life and death. I spoke to him earlier today.
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COOPER: When you see Michael Jackson, I mean, yesterday, he appeared in great pain. The other day, he appeared in his pajamas. What do you think is going on with him?
RABBI SHMULEY BOTEACH, FMR. JACKSON SPIRITUAL ADVISER: It amazes me is how the media -- no one has really looked into, who are his doctors? Who is giving him this stuff? Every time he claims some mystery malady, there's some doctor to medicate him with painkillers.
Everyone remembers what happened to Elvis. He died, and there were all these doctors at whom fingers were pointed afterward. Michael -- is Michael a good man? No, he's a very self-absorbed man. But is he an evil man? Does he deserve to die? Of course not. I'm not sure that he's going to live.
COOPER: You once wrote that, to be in the orbit of a superstar is to be subject to an indescribably strong gravitational pull. Do you think his doctors, I mean, do you think that all of the people around him have succumbed to the gravitational pull?
BOTEACH: Of course. Absolutely. And it happens with all the superstars. Notice that most superstars die of drug overdosed. We lost Marilyn Monroe that way. It was suicide or it was an overdose. Elvis, Janice Joplin. The list goes on and on. Michael Jackson, as the world's foremost star, even without these child molestation allegations, has a short shelf life, and if he doesn't take drastic action, to remedy the serious deterioration of his life, he will die. It was one of the main that reasons I decided to end our friendship with him, as I didn't know whether or not this man would be alive for a long time...
COOPER: But, how can you say he will die?
BOTEACH: Well, look at him. Look at him, Anderson. You're a smart man. I'm just amazed that no one in the media -- people -- everyone looks at, he came late. He's so arrogant, doesn't care about the law. Look at the man. He is a shell. He is a shell. How much -- how many prescription drugs can a man take until it finally finishes him off? At what point can a man's constitution succumb to this assault?
COOPER: Well, you were once in that inner circle. Is there anyone who ever says no to him, anyone who ever says, you know what, you shouldn't be doing this, or let's...?
BOTEACH: There are, and then you end up where I am. Our friendship is over, which is OK. I'd rather...
COOPER: Because if you speak the truth to him...
BOTEACH: You know, I can only speak from my experience, the benefit of my experience.
Michael took my criticism for about a year. And I was gentle, and he really started to rehabilitate his life. I used to say to him, do you want to be a joke? Is this really what you want, to be more famous for eccentric -- forget eccentricity, for weirdness, than for your talent. Do you really want do be the world's most discredited man? No, Shmuley, I don't want to be that.
We took him to Oxford University, gave a lecture a few blocks from here at Carnegie Hall. He got standing ovations. Michael is a smart man. You don't achieve what he achieved being a dunce. He's not the air-headed buffoon that people think he is. He has eloquence, he has great creativity of imagination, but the level of medication that he is taking will destroy this man.
Do you this can he wants to come late to court? Michael's life may end, and what's amazing to me is the people around him who do have some control over him, Thomas Mesereau, his family, why don't they end this silly trial?
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COOPER: Well, we talked to a spokesperson for Jackson who had this to say about the singer's health: "Michael Jackson for the last two weeks has been suffering from excruciating back pain. He does not have an emotional or psychological problem, but a back problem. He is strong spiritually and emotionally due to the love and support he is receiving from his mother, father, sisters and brothers, and other advisers and friends."
Tomorrow, Rabbi Boteach will be back for a 360 special at 8:00 p.m. Eastern, and "Beyond the Headlines" of the Michael Jackson case: what it's like in his inner circle, and more about whether anyone says no to the pop star. A fascinating look at Jackson's life and the case against him.
Coming up next, though, on 360, "Caught on Tape." Nine men caught in a flooded well. The story captivated the country, but what happened to those miners.
And we go in-depth on the massacre at Red Lake. What drove this young man to murder? Why was he allegedly e-mailing a Nazi web site? Devoting the entire 8:00 hour to this case, covering all the angles. Stay with us.
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COOPER: What a moment that was. A heroic rescue caught on tape. Did you ever wonder, however, what happened after the cameras stopped rolling. All this week, we're taking a look at the stories, the videotapes that transfixed the nation. And looking at where the main players are now.
Tonight, the Quecreek miners. Here's CNN's Gary Tuchman.
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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The world was watching as rescuers desperately drilled into 240 feet of rock, trying to save nine men in a flooded Pennsylvania mine. But nobody above the ground new if the miners were dead or alive, and then came the word.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All nine are alive.
TUCHMAN: After 77 hours with tens of millions of gallons of water having flooded the Quecreek Mine, the men were pulled up one at a time in a cage like cylinder. All nine miners had survived, and over a 90-minute period, they were rescued on live TV.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lucky seven, Dennis J. Hall -- H-A-L-L. He's 49-years- old and a local boy from Johnstown.
TUCHMAN: Dennis Hall comes from a family of miners. He had worked underground since he was a teenager. At first, he was hopeful there would be a rescue, but 18 hours went by where nothing was heard from above.
DENNIS HALL, TRAPPED MINOR: Time was running out as that water filled the mine up, we were losing our oxygen.
TUCHMAN: Hall and his fellow minors wrote goodbye letters to their families and put them in a bucket.
HALL: I made peace with the Lord, and I figured if this is the way he wants me to die, you know, I have to accept this. I didn't like it, but I did accept it.
TUCHMAN: Another trapped miner, Randy Fogle, felt the same way. And thought about the family members in the mines before him.
RANDY FOGLE, TRAPPED MINOR: I've had on my mom's side, her dad died in the mines. My uncle on her side lost his leg in the mines. On my wife's side, her dad's lost his day before he was born.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His name is Randy Fogle.
TUCHMAN: Heroic measures by many made the rescue possible. The Quecreek Mine is under a farm. The owner of the farm did the first digging.
BILL ARNOLD, FARMER: Because they were under my property, I somehow felt responsibility for their well being.
TUCHMAN: A microphone lowered into the underground, ultimately, made it clear everyone was alive. The cage was dropped inside and the miners realized they were saved.
HALL: Wow, you know. I can't believe this, you know. I just couldn't believe it.
TUCHMAN: Some of the men still work in the coal mining industry, but only Randy Fogle is still working underground.
Dennis Hall, husband and father of two undergoes counseling and at his families request will never work again as a miner.
HALL: You know, how they say -- stop and smell the roses? There's a lot of truth to that.
TUCHMAN: Gary Tuchman, CNN, Atlanta.
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COOPER: Remarkable. 360 next, an explosion rocks Beirut again. It just happened a short time ago, we'll take you there.
Plus, a one hour special on the Red Lake High School Massacre, coming up at the top of this hour. We'll profile the teen killer who was reportedly being bullied at school.
And we'll talk about the things parents should watch out for when they suspect their child is being bullied. It's quite possibly, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
And a little later -- "The World in 360."
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COOPER: "The World in 360" now, in a developing story out of Beirut, there's are reports of a deadly explosion just north of the city. CNN's Beirut bureau chief, Brent Sadler is there, joins us now on the phone.
Brent, what can you tell us?
BRENT SADLER, CNN BEIRUT BUREAU CHIEF: Anderson, an explosion tore into a shopping center some 12 miles north of a the Lebanese capital, claiming lives, inflicting injuries. Now, this is the second explosion to hit mainly Christian areas of Lebanon within the last week. Police here, say a bomb caused extensive damage to a shopping complex in a late night blast, that targeted a largely commercial district of Catholic.
Local television here has been showing chaotic pictures of emergency workers and security personnel climbing through wreckage in a search for victims that were buried under debris and glass. The blast come just days, as I say, after a similar explosion that hit a mainly Christian residential neighborhood, just a few miles north of the capital.
Eleven people were injured in that attack. No one was arrested. This attack comes at a time of political paralysis here between pro- Syrian administrators and the countries anti-Syrian opposition. And this latest blast will doubtless worry even more people here -- Anderson.
COOPER: No doubt about it. Brent Sadler, reporting from Beirut. Thanks, Brent.
Tornado season has begun, and the twisters are already touching down down south.
Erica Hill joins us with the headlines making news right now. Hey, Erica.
HILL: Hey, Anderson, that's right. Strong storms in the southeast spawning, at least, one tornado in Alabama. Four people were hurt near Dothan. Two of the injures were trapped in inside damaged homes. Now, the twister also downed trees and power lines.
The army using a new strategy to increase a pool of potential recruits for the national guard and army reserve, raising the maximum enlistment age from 34 up to 39. All part of a three year test program. The army says the Iraq War, and other pressures are discouraging young people from joining the guard and the reserves.
Barry Bonds may not be chasing Hank Aaron's all time home run record, at least not this year. The San Francisco Giant slugger told reporters today, he may be out for the an entire season after having two surgeries on his right knee this month.
Actor Robert Blake is speculating now on who killed his wife, Bonnie Lee Bakley, in his first television interview since being acquitted last week on charges that he killed her. Blake said his wife had a lot of enemies, and said he was prepared for the worst when the verdict was read.
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ROBERT BLAKE, ACQUITTED ON MURDER CHARGES: I had gotten so brainwashed over five years of being America's Saddam Hussein that I figured if enough people want you dead, why not just croak and get it over with, and go see the boss.
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HILL: And that again, Robert Blake. Of course, Anderson, the good news for him, instead of going to see the boss, he gets to go cowboying.
COOPER: You know what cowboying is, don't you?
HILL: Nothing like a one-armed nine-ball with an 80-year-old Portuguese woman living in Phoenix.
COOPER: I don't know if it was Phoenix, exactly, it was just somewhere in Arizona.
HILL: Maybe it wasn't. Somewhere in Arizona.
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All right, Erica, thanks. We'll go cowboying sometime. We'll see you again.
HILL: Sounds good.
COOPER: 360 next: taking a look at the Red Lake massacre, the latest on the deadly school shooting in Minnesota.
We'll devote the entire hour to the tragedy. What made this young man take so many lives? We'll take a closer look at the alleged teen gunman.
And a little later, classroom bullies. The tips you need to know if you child is being bullied at school.
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FLOYD JOURDAIN, RED LAKE TRIBAL CHIEF: Our community is devastated by this event. We have never seen anything like this in the history of our tribe, and without doubt, this is the darkest days in the history of our people.
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COOPER: A dark day indeed for Minnesota. We're going to turn our attention now, for the entire hour to come, back to Red Lake, Minnesota, north of Bemidji, not far from the Canadian border, and to the almost unimaginable thing that happened there just yesterday.
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COOPER (voice-over): This is what police say happened. This is what we know. A 16-year-old boy named Jeff Weise -- that's his picture there -- seems first have to shot his grandfather to death at the man's home along with his grandfather's companion. He took his grandfather's guns and his car and went to this school, Red Lake High, where he killed five schoolmates, a teacher, a security officer, and finally, turning the gun on himself.
Look at this photo that we found of the school. The sign there saying all weapons strictly prohibited on Red Lake School grounds.
CNN's Keith Oppenheim has the latest on what we know happened in the halls of that school.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Investigators say the violent trail of 16-year-old Jeffrey Weise began sometime before 3:00 p.m. Monday at the home of his grandfather, Daryl Lussier.
MICHAEL TABMAN, FBI: There, armed, we believe, with a .22 caliber weapon, Mr. Weise shot and killed Mr. Lussier and his companion, Michelle Sigana.
OPPENHEIM: Weise's grandfather worked for the tribal police department. And investigators say Jeff Weise grabbed other guns, a .40 caliber hand gun and 12-gauge shotgun.
TABMAN: Mr. Weise, then, we believe, took the police bullet proof vest and gun belt of his grandfather, donned those, got into the police vehicle his grandfather had, and drove to the school, driving up right to the door.
OPPENHEIM: At the school door, FBI agents say, it is almost 3:00 p.m. and this is when they say Weise shoots and kills an unarmed security officer, then goes inside the building, guns firing randomly at students.
TABMAN: He fired some shots in their direction. Understandably, they fled and ran to a classroom.
OPPENHEIM: Alicia Neadeau described how her teacher tried to get kids to safety behind closed doors.
ALICIA NEADEAU, WITNESS: So everybody got in a classroom and then she said, lock the doors, and then she picked up a desk and she pushed it over to the door, and had to barricade the door.
OPPENHEIM: FBI agents say Weise followed a different group and went into a classroom.
TABMAN: It's there that he opened fire, killing a number of students and the teacher.
OPPENHEIM: Four police officers then enter the school. One exchanges fire with Weise, but no officers are hurt.
TABMAN: Shortly after that exchange, Mr. Weise went back into the classroom where he previously fired upon those people, and he took his own life.
OPPENHEIM: The FBI said the entire assault at the school lasted for less than ten minutes.
SHERRY BIRKELAND, NORTH COUNTRY REGIONAL HOSPITAL: We've never dealt with anything like this before.
OPPENHEIM: Seven people were rushed to the hospital, two with gunshots to the head. Eventually, the death toll, including the gunman, rose to 10.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This was her. OPPENHEIM: And by Tuesday, relatives were left to show pictures of the people they loved.
Orville White offered a picture of his niece, Thurlene, on the right in this photo.
QUESTION: Do you know what the family is going to do about a funeral?
ORVILLE WHITE, VICTIM'S UNCLE: No, I don't know right now. Find out in a couple of days or so.
OPPENHEIM: The words did not come easy for him, and perhaps for many in Red Lake, they won't for a long time.
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OPPENHEIM: Anderson, one thing that might help with this timeline is videotape. There is videotape, security pictures that were taken of Jeff Weise in the hallway of the school at the time of the incident. The FBI isn't released the tape yet, but they have said that on the type, Weise isn't shooting anyone. Still, his demeanor on this tape might give investigators some clue as to what would have led him to this assault.
Anderson, back to you.
COOPER: Still a lot of details to emerge from exactly what happened inside the school. Keith Oppenheim, thanks for that.
At the center of the terrible story, of course, is a young man, a boy really, about whom very little is known at the moment, beyond the fact that he himself is dead, police say by his own hand, and that before he took his life, he took the lives of nine others.
David Mattingly gathers now the few facts there are, at this moment, about Jeff Weise. Take a look.
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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): To the public at-large, details of what drove 16-year-old Jeff Weise on a murderous rampage remains as incomplete as the understanding of the boy himself.
So far, the FBI will not confirm if this is the same Jeff Weise who identified himself last year on a neo-Nazi Web site.
TABMAN: Still could be some clues there. It's a little premature to make that determination. But we need -- we're just really open to looking at that.
MATTINGLY: Using the names "NativeNazi" and the German word for angel of death, the Jeff Weise here complained about the lack of full- blooded natives on his Red Lake reservation, because of, "cultural dominance and interracial mixing." He blamed the influence of rap music, writing, "we have kids my age killing each other over things as simple as a fight." "Things for us would improve vastly under a nationalist socialist government," he wrote. "That is why I am pro-nazi."
The idea of a young native-American being attracted to such a Web site, however, according to one expert, is not as far-fetched as you might think.
MARK POTOK, SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER: I think that it's not that uncommon. It's always the same phenomenon, which is -- these are typically people who are members of more or less oppressed minority groups, who want very much to identify with the oppressor, not the oppressed.
MATTINGLY: The Web site belongs to the Libertarian National- Socialist Green Party, which posted a statement about Weise saying, "He expressed himself well, and was clearly highly intelligent and contemplative, especially for one so young."
POTOK: This looks like a very screwed up kid who was going to explode in one way or another. You know, I think he was probably interested in all kinds of transgressive things, be that Hitler or Satan or whatever it might be.
MATTINGLY: The Minnesota newspaper "Saint Paul Pioneer Press" reports, Weise's father committed suicide and his mother is in a nursing home with injuries suffered in a traffic accident. The paper quoted unnamed relatives who said Weise was a loner and was teased by other kids.
The FBI said Weise was not living with his grandfather yesterday when the murder spree began and would not say where. Investigators are unaware of any grudge the boy may have had with the family or students at the Red Lake High School, though medical personnel dealing with the wounded say Weise's goal was clear.
DR. JOE CORSER, NORTH COUNTY REGIONAL HOSPITAL: We had a couple of injuries, close range. I think there was an intent to kill.
MATTINGLY: In Web postings attributed to Weise, he indicated he was suspected last year of threatening to shoot up the school on Hitler's birthday, something authorities have not confirmed. In fact, the FBI is unaware if Weise had any prior police record.
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MATTINGLY: According to one tribal leader tonight, Weise was not the kind of young person who attracted a lot of attention in this small, tight-knit community. But now, as an extended period of mourning is about to begin, it is clear no one here will ever now be able to forgot him -- Anderson.
COOPER: No doubt. David Mattingly, thanks.
When a crime like this happens, we tend to focus on the killer, in this case, the 16-year-old boy. But too often overlooked, we think, are the victims. So, for just a moment, we want to remember them tonight.
We wish we could show you the victims' faces. But, at the moment, we only have one photo, 15-year-old Thurlene Stillday. She was a student at Red Lake High. There were other 15-year-olds as well, Chase Lussier, Chanelle Rosebear and Dwayne Lewis. They died. They were just 15.
Alicia White was only 14. And then there were the adults at the school, Neva Rogers, 62, Derrick Brun, 28, and the alleged shooter's grandfather, Daryl Lussier, 58, and his companion, Michelle Sigana, 32.
With us now on the phone from Minnesota, Red Lake High School principal Chris Dunshee. The FBI has asked him not to give out details of the investigation. And we certainly respect that.
Principal Dunshee, we appreciate you being with us. I'm so sorry for what for you and your school have been going through.
How -- how are the students holding up?
CHRIS DUNSHEE, PRINCIPAL, RED LAKE HIGH SCHOOL: Well, as you can imagine, it's been a tough 24 hours or so. And it's been a very hard road for them.
COOPER: Have you been able to talk with students? Have you been able to share what they're going through?
DUNSHEE: No, I have not at this time.
COOPER: Have you any update on the condition of any of the wounded students?
DUNSHEE: No, I can't give out any information on that.
COOPER: Where were you when the shooting took place?
DUNSHEE: I was in an adjacent building. We were having a board meeting with the school board.
COOPER: And what did you hear?
DUNSHEE: We just had taken a break and there was indication that there had been some shooting in the high school.
COOPER: I saw the sign out front of the school, saying, no firearms allowed on the campus. Had anyone ever brought firearms in the past?
DUNSHEE: Not to my knowledge, no.
COOPER: Is there anything -- no doubt, you're looking back in your mind going through this over and over again. I mean, were there any signs, any indications of something like this possibly happening? DUNSHEE: Well, I guess, if there were, we certainly would have tried to take every precaution. You know, it's just a sad, sad tragedy.
COOPER: What do you do next? I mean, where do you go from here? How do you -- I know the school is closed. When you're faced with this situation, what do you do?
DUNSHEE: Well, I guess that's, you know, something that we'll have to sort out. We'll be getting together our school staff tomorrow and we'll be formulating some plans.
But I guess, in connection with that, I just want to send our -- the message out there to your listening audience that the outpouring of support that we have received has just been phenomenal. And we certainly appreciate all of the thoughts and prayers and support that we've been given by everybody.
COOPER: Obviously, if you had known there was something going on with this young man, obviously, you would have done something. Were there academic problems? There had been some reports that he had been teased, that he had been put on a school's homebound program because of some violations of policy.
DUNSHEE: Here again, I don't want to get into any specifics. I'm not really at liberty to speak about any of the specifics of the tragedy.
COOPER: Well, I certainly understand that. And I know it's -- well, it's an impossible time for you.
Chris Dunshee, the principal of Red Lake High, thank you very much for talking with us.
DUNSHEE: Yes.
I just want to say that the clergy, the spiritual leaders, the professional colleagues that we've spoken with, the counselors, everybody, have just been wonderful. And -- but the teachers are the real heroes here. And I just want to keep our minds and our thoughts and prayers focused on our kids right now. We need to be putting them first and trying to meet their needs. The death of a child is a death out of season. And that ages us all.
COOPER: And not just our prayers and thoughts with them tonight, but also in the days and the weeks and the months to come.
Chris Dunshee, thank you for being with us.
DUNSHEE: Well, thank you.
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COOPER (voice-over): Red Lake, Columbine, Paducah, kids killing kids. Do the shooters have anything in common? Tonight, we investigate the lives and deaths of school killers, what every parent needs to know.
She was shot point-blank in Columbine High, asked to confess her faith by a Columbine killer. Tonight, what really happened that day and how did this young woman rebuild her life?
360 continues.
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COOPER: Another school, another young man in trouble, more lives lost. Don't you feel like you've seen this story far too many times before? Paducah, Kentucky, Columbine, now Red Lake, Minnesota. It's happened enough times that experts have noticed some very disturbing patterns about the young men who walk into their schools and start to kill.
Heidi Collins takes a look at what these teen killers may have in common.
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HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Columbine, Paducah, Jonesboro, Springfield, Pearl, Santee, a list that conjures up images of screaming children, injured victims and gun-wielding kids, different towns with tragically similar stories.
What made eight young men snap and what qualities, if any, do school shooters share? According to the FBI, to there are dozens of risk factors when it comes to school violence, but there is no one definitive profile of this type of criminal. And yet, there are certain similarities in all of these cases that are hard to ignore. In each shooting, the perpetrator was white male age 11 to 18 who was described as feeling picked or bullied by his peers.
DAN KINDLON, AUTHOR, "RAISING CAIN": We allow boys to BE angry and aggressive, but we don't allow them to express fear and sadness and other more vulnerable emotions. So, hence, when they get rejected or they get disappointed, they have a harder time dealing with that. And it often comes out in anger.
COLLINS: Most of the shooters had a fascination with firearms or violent video games.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dog, I heard you got some beef with me.
COLLINS: And while there were signs or warning about their intentions, they were not taken seriously at the time.
RANDY BROWN, FATHER OF COLUMBINE STUDENT: The sheriff's department didn't respond to our reported threats by Eric Harris against our son for 13 months. Columbine would not have happened if they had investigated that to begin with.
Two of the boys, Luke Woodham and Kip Kinkel, had a history of abusing animals.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He liked any kind of weapon. They, like, tortured animals.
COLLINS: Classmates say Dylan Klebold, Eric Harris and now Jeff Weise from Red Lake, Minnesota, all wore dark trench coats and were fans of Marilyn Manson.
Kip Kinkel was a fan of Manson's music as well. And, according to the FBI, all of the shooters may have felt the desire to defend narcissistic views of themselves, but at the same time had very low self-esteem.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I guess the world is going to remember me now. I'm probably going to get pretty famous.
COLLINS: Sadly, what perhaps most unites these young men is that no one believed they were capable of committing such horrible acts. And that meant no one was able to stop them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you've seen this kid, you would just never believe something like this could happen. I've seen him every day run by my bus, and happy kid, happy-go-lucky.
COLLINS: Heidi Collins, CNN, New York.
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COOPER: What's so frustrating for parents and teachers is, plenty of touchers listen to Marilyn Manson or like guns or get picked on at school. The question is, where do you draw the line between typical teenage anger, which is scary enough in itself, I suppose, and behavior that points to a teen who is about to go off the deep end?
William Pollack knows the danger signals. He's a Harvard Medical School professor, director of the Center For Men and Young Men at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts. He's also author of the book "Real Boys: Rescuing Our Sons from the Myths of Boyhood." He joins me from Albany, New York.
Thanks very much for being with us.
Is it a mistake to look for a profile of a teen killer?
WILLIAM POLLACK, DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR MEN AND YOUNG MEN: Well, I think a profile is a mistake.
Having had the honor of working with the U.S. Department of Education and Secret Service and looking at 37 cases in the Safe School Initiative of school shooters, there are warning signs, but there are really no profiles. I mean, think about it. If we say you listen to Marilyn Manson or you wear black or you listen to funny music, that's 65 percent of all young males in America. That won't work.
But we did see warning signs about this so-called targeted violence, violence that occurs in school shootings.
COOPER: Well, you look at this home video of the boys in Columbine. They're shooting target practice before they attacked their classmates. What should a parent be watching out for?
POLLACK: Well, I think parents and school, professional and community, should be looking out -- it's mostly males, but a female could do it -- but should be looking out for a young male or a young person who has started to become a loner who has pulled back or gone in with a group of friends who has negative affects, negative feelings, who may be becoming depressed, who may be becoming suicidal.
And, believe it or not, in many of these cases, we found out that these young men actually talked about shooting someone or hurting themselves in advance, but no one took them seriously.
COOPER: Is that what separates the kids who actually might pull this off, or try this, from the kids who are just lonely or isolated? Those qualities, you said, those warning signs, kids pulling away, associating with friends who are negative, again, that's 65 percent of the kids in America. Is it talking about violence in school? I mean, is that the biggest warning sign?
POLLACK: Well, talking about violence in school should be a big red flag. Does that mean that everyone who talks about violence in school, everyone who talks about a threat really poses a threat? No. But it does mean that that person is in trouble. You see, the point of view we have to take is not just how we're going to adjudicate or stop violence, which is -- my heart goes out to these people -- but how we're going to help the kids who are in pain.
A lot of these kids may be depressed, suicidal and in pain and never want to hurt anyone, but we want to help them. The worst thing we can do is get them some help and they will get better. The best thing we can do is avert the one in 100 who may come into a school and kill someone else, sometimes out of anger but sometimes out of anguish and wishing to die themselves.
COOPER: William Pollack, appreciate you being with us. Thank you.
POLLACK: Thank you.
COOPER: A federal judge refuses to intervene in the Terri Schiavo case.
Erica Hill from Headline News joins us now, at a quarter past, with the latest.
Hey, Erica.
ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Anderson.
Yes, the case of Terri Schiavo is now before a three-judge panel at a federal appeals court in Atlanta. A small group of protesters with tape over their mouths and the word "Life" written on the tape stood outside the courthouse today. Schiavo's parents are asking the court to order the reinsertion of her feeding tube. Her husband is asking the court not to rush a decision on her fate.
Iowa's governor signed a bill today to restrict the sale of cold medicines that contained pseudoephedrine. It's a key ingredient in methamphetamines. Stores can now only sell single packages of liquid and liquid gel caps containing pseudoephedrine. And they have to keep those products locked up.
Jurors in the Michael child molestation trial heard testimony today from a comedian who befriended the family of the accuser. She said she received an extremely disturbing phone call from the boy's mother after an ABC documentary aired showing Jackson and his accuser. She says, the phone call made her think the family was being held against her will. Under cross-examination, the woman admitted she described the mother as totally bipolar to police and called the family -- quote -- "wacky as they want to be."
And an update for you now. We brought you this story last night, but now the Coast Guard investigating just what caused a sailing ship to run aground off the California coast yesterday. Rough seas and high winds knocked at least four people off the boat. Others, as you could see there, jumped into the 58-degree water. All 20 passengers were rescued. Three of them, Anderson, were treated for hypothermia.
And that is the latest from Headline News -- back to you.
COOPER: All right. That's why you should go cowboying. Just stay on land. Makes it easier.
HILL: Yes. Forgot the boat.
COOPER: All right, Erica Hill, thanks very much.
Our special report, "Massacre at Red Lake," continues. The small community is just devastated, understandably. We're going to speak to a local priest about the impact the shooting has had on this small town. Covering all the angles on this massacre.
And a little later, she was shot nine times, hit nine times in Columbine. You're going to meet a young woman who survived and is now helping other kids to prevent violence.
Our special coverage of the Red Lake massacre continues.
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COOPER: Welcome back to the special edition of 360, "Red Lake Massacre."
The details are still coming in. What we know is this. Ten people are dead, one of them a very disturbed young gunman. There are a number of families in pain tonight. Their children have been killed, their loved ones lost.
Father Pat Sullivan from Saint Mary's Mission in Red Lake has been spending times with friends and family of the victims, helping them cope, to the extent he can, and helping them say goodbye. He was at the hospital doing that until 2:00 this morning.
Father Sullivan, we appreciate you sparing some time to be with us tonight.
How -- this is probably a stupid question, but how are -- the families you've been counseling, how are they doing? How are they holding up?
FATHER PAT SULLIVAN, SAINT MARY'S MISSION: I think as good as can be expected. People have rallied and really come around to be there for one another. Families have been there. And we have a lot of extended family connections here.
A lot of our people who have been injured or those who have lost loved ones are interconnected. And they've just been gathering together, supporting one another, praying for one another, and concerned about each other and concerned about those who were injured and are still in the hospital.
COOPER: And what do you say to a parent who's lost their child or to somebody whose child has been wounded?
SULLIVAN: I don't say very much. I just try to enter into the presence and the struggle and the emptiness and the silence, and, by the grace of God. And the spirit kind of leads us.
And somebody, it might be one of the children, says something, or it might be a grandparent or a brother or sister who just speaks out a word and that word leads another to share another word. And somehow, together, in the grace of God, we're helping each other to begin that healing, as we continue and even begin to let go.
COOPER: Have people been talking about what they saw about this young man who shot these people?
SULLIVAN: A little bit of that.
I haven't spoken to anybody who actually saw anyone get shot. But I know that a number of our children who were in the school were in the mist of the shooting. I know I spent some time with one of our young students who just said, you know, the teacher got us all into a classroom. And we shut the door. And she said, I just stayed under my desk and prayed. She said, I wanted to live. I want to live. And she said, God heard my prayers. And she said, I was very happy to be with my mom and dad.
COOPER: I can certainly understand that. Are you hearing anger from students toward this young man?
SULLIVAN: I haven't heard a lot of anger, a little bit of sensing that maybe somebody might have had an inkling of what was going on. But something like this, you just don't expect. And it expects people to be able to find some other resolve with their anger and their frustrations. I don't know. COOPER: So, your sense is that some of the kids maybe had a sense something was going on with Jeff Weise, with this young man?
SULLIVAN: I believe so. Again, I haven't -- most of my time has been with the family kind of in total, and not with a lot of the youth specifically. So, I can't really respond to that. Sorry.
COOPER: Fair enough.
Where do you go from here? What do you do tomorrow? What do you do the next day? How does this community come together?
SULLIVAN: Well, one thing we've -- is that Red Lake is kind of split up into four communities. And in each of those communities, we have a community center, kind of a gathering place, where communities have gathered for a number of their family celebrations, as well as wakes and prayer.
And so those communities are going to be open. They have been staffed by local counselors and local ministers, local traditional spiritual leaders and elders. We've also had people from off the reservation who have offered to come in and assist. And so, all of those centers are open and available. So people in those communities have been gathering throughout the day and will continue to do that I know for at least another day or two. And so that's been one of the main things that we set up.
Some of our churches are open. And a number of our traditional spiritual elders are available and have gone to homes and prayed with our people, and just kind of everybody banding together and kind of listening. You know, how's so-and-so doing? And because everybody's related and connected to one another here on our reservation, there's a pretty good line of communication, because it's -- we're all mindful that we need to be working with one another.
COOPER: Well, I hope you pass along to the families you speak with the wishes, the well-wishes and the prayers of all of us. People around the country, around the world are watching this story and they're thinking an awful lot about you and about everyone else who is suffering in Red Lake tonight.
Father Sullivan, thanks for being with us.
SULLIVAN: Thank you for your prayers.
COOPER: Coming up next on this special edition of 360, the latest on the deadly school shooting. We're going to have a live update, what we know about Jeff Weise, about the 16-year-old boy accused of such a horrible, horrible crime.
Also, a victim of a school shooting speaks out, the incredible story of Missy Jenkins.
Also, stay with us for this hour-long special, "Red Lake Massacre." We're covering all the angles.
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COOPER: Welcome back. Paula Zahn is off this week. Tonight, we're presenting a 360 special: "The Red Lake Massacre." Ten people have died, including the 16-year-old gunman.
Sean Callebs is in Red Lake to update the investigation. Sean, what do we know?
CALLEBS: Well, Anderson, the FBI detailed the timeline. The way the events played out earlier today -- apparently the 16-year-old suspect first went to his grandfather's house, where he killed his grandfather and his grandfather's 32-year-old companion. Now, the grandfather was a longtime police officer on the reservation.
After the shooting there, that is when the suspect drove over to the school in the police car, bolted out of the car, went through metal detectors at the school, killed an unarmed guard and then came face-to-face with one of the teachers in the hall.
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TABMAN: Mr. Weise proceeded down the hall of the school. And down the hall, he saw a teacher and some students. The teacher, Ms. Neva Rogers, age 52. He fired some shots in their direction. Understandably, they fled and ran into a classroom. Mr. Weise continued to pursue them into the classroom. It is there that he opened fire, killing a number of students and the teacher.
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CALLEBS: After the shootings there, Weise apparently went back out into the hall, then tried to get into another classroom, and then worked his way back into the hall.
At some point during then, Anderson, he exchanged gunfire with one of the officers, ducked back into the classroom where he was initially, then took his own life.
An interesting point here: Apparently, the security cameras in the school capturing images of Weise in the hall. But we won't see those pictures, at least not for the foreseeable future. The authorities say they are not releasing that videotape, or any of what are certain to be frantic 911 calls once the shootings began -- Anderson.
COOPER: Yes, so many questions still unanswered about this young man, about exactly what happened in that school. Probably, the next couple of days, the stories will trickle out. Sean Callebs, thanks for the update.
The Red Lake massacre is the worst school attack in six years, since Columbine, which was of course the deadliest school massacre in U.S. history. Today, many of those who survived Columbine were reliving that terrible day. Tom Foreman takes us back to those chilling hours in the town of Littleton, Colorado.
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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the neat suburban neighborhoods and beautiful foothills of Littleton, six years after the shooting, Columbine is pretty much just a high school again. But when school violence strikes anywhere, it echoes here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anything that dramatic that happens, puts him back to that day.
FOREMAN: Frank DeAngelis knows it well. He was and is principal at Columbine.
FRANK DEANGELIS, COLUMBINE PRINCIPAL: The first few years, anytime I would hear a balloon pop, I would fall on the ground, because when I walked out of my office six years ago, I saw the gunmen firing shots past me.
FOREMAN: Over the course of four hours on an April morning in 1999, Columbine became the measuring stick for school violence. The day was the culmination of a brazen plot by two teenage boys to destroy the school and slaughter hundreds of people.
The gunmen failed miserably, but killed 12 students, a teacher, and themselves. And the images of the killers at work, the details of their murderous plan, the heartbreaking memorials changed the national perception of what school violence can be.
DEANGELIS: You know, the fire alarm system, I still get chills up and down my spine when that alarm goes off, because it draws me back to that morning in which we were locked or stuck in the building.
FOREMAN: The legacy of Columbine certainly reached far beyond Colorado. In the months immediately afterward, schools everywhere reviewed safety programs, counseling programs, installed video cameras, metal detectors, all possibly useful. But Jill Cook, with the American School Counselor Association, says perhaps something else is not getting enough attention.
JILL COOK, AMERICAN SCHOOL COUNSELOR ASSOCIATION: You can have a plan, a school crisis plan on paper, you can have technology in place in the school to deter violence. But when it comes right down to it, what matters is relationships.
FOREMAN (on camera): Between counselors and students, administrators and teachers, teachers and students?
COOK: Absolutely.
FOREMAN (voice-over): She suggests only one-on-one relationships can revel which students are reveling in Web sites like these, which glorify the Columbine shooters, laugh at the suffering of their victims.
(on camera): Maybe many of us do not take all of this too seriously these days, because we still think things like school shootings happen somewhere else. I know better. I lived only a few miles from Columbine high school. And even as I stood outside reporting on the killings that day, I knew people inside.
(voice-over): And so many people in Littleton did. They know the memories will never completely leave them.
DEANGELIS: Our thoughts and prayers go out to the people of Red Lake.
FOREMAN: But they also know there is healing and there are lessons that follow.
Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.
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COOPER: Well, the memories truly never leave. When it was finally over at Columbine, one of the injured students had nine pieces of bullets in her body. She survived to tell about her ordeal. I talked with Valeen Schnurr earlier today.
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COOPER: Valeen, when you heard about the shootings at Red Lake high in Minnesota, what went through your mind?
VALEEN SCHNURR, COLUMBINE SURVIVOR: More so just the hurt and the absolute fear that those people must be going through. I felt for them, I felt so horrible. I've been there, experienced the same type of situation that these -- that the other survivors, the wounded, and the families of those that have died have gone through, just absolutely horrified.
COOPER: Take us back to that day in April. You were in the library when the shooting started. What happened?
SCHNURR: We were under our tables when we heard gunshots and pipe bomb blasts in the hallway, and the hallway was filling up with smoke. And we could feel the reverberation from the pipe bombs as Eric and Dylan moved onto the cafeteria, shooting their guns, blowing their explosives, off downstairs. Then the library got really quiet. I saw two sets of footprints coming into the library. And we realized that they were in the library, and they started shooting kids and taunting kids.
COOPER: Did you know who it was at that point?
SCHNURR: There was a window out -- looking out into the hallway, and I saw their faces, but I couldn't make out who it was at the time.
COOPER: And at what point was it that you actually got shot?
SCHNURR: It was several minutes into -- while they were in the library. They finally crossed to our side of the library and shot past my friend. The gunshot blast hit me. It was one gunshot blast that I sustained nine gunshot wounds from. The blast was strong enough that it pushed me from out under the table, and I was on my hands and knees, my hands and legs covered with blood, saying, "oh, my God, don't let me die, don't let me die." And one of them, I'm not sure who it was, had asked me if I believed in God. And I said, yes. And they asked me why. And I said, because I believe, I was brought up that way. And at that point, I realized I was standing out. And I crawled back under the table and hid, and I closed my eyes, and held my breath to pretend I was dead, so that they would leave me alone. And you know, several minutes later, they left the library.
COOPER: And under the table with you, your friend Lauren. She didn't survive?
SCHNURR: No, she didn't. It's been something that's very difficult on a daily basis. You deal with that survivors guilt, why did she have to die and I survived.
COOPER: And how do you answer that? I mean, do you -- I guess there's not any answer for that?
SCHNURR: There really isn't. You can ask yourself until you're blue in the face and you'll never have the answers that you look for. And that's why I hope with the people in Red Lake, there's going to be a lot of unanswered questions, why did this boy decide to do this? And there's just so many unanswered questions.
COOPER: You had a long road to recovery, both emotionally and physically, obviously. You want the kids and the parents in Red Lake to know that really, they're not alone, that there are people out there who are watching and care about what's going on.
SCHNURR: I think that is so important. You know, most people hopefully will never understand the type of fear and sadness that these people will have to go through, but they are going through it, and they need our support, they need our help. They need our prayers. And you know, I'm just hoping that we'll all be able to come together as a nation and really support these families.
COOPER: Our support and our prayers not just now but obviously in the months and even the years ahead. Because this thing doesn't go away.
SCHNURR: Yes. They've got a long road ahead. They have a long road ahead.
COOPER: I know it's been a long road for you, and I appreciate you being on to talk about it tonight to talk about it. Thank you very much.
SCHNURR: No, thank you very much for letting me come and talk.
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COOPER: There are so many angles on this story to cover. Next on this special edition of 360, we're going to look at bullies in the hallways. Is it more serious than kid's play, and is it pushing some kids, maybe your kids, over the edge? Find out if your child is being bullied, what to look for. And a little later, your viewer e-mail. We're getting tons of e- mail about this story. Send us your thoughts right now. Log onto CNN.com/360 and click on the instant feedback link.
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COOPER: Welcome back to the special edition of 360, the Red Lake massacre. Among the deadliest high school shootings was one of the most baffling, in 1997 in Paducah, Kentucky, where Michael Carneal, a 14-year-old freshman, opened fire on a student prayer circle.
He killed three students. When police asked him why, he said he didn't know. He pleaded guilty but mentally ill, and he got life in prison.
Missy Jenkins was one of five students wounded that day. She's 23 now, partially paralyzed from her injuries and determined to prevent future violence by working with violent kids. She joins me now from Paducah.
Missy, thanks very much for being with us. I want to go back to that day. What do you remember happening when the shooting began?
MISSY JENKINS, SCHOOL SHOOTING VICTIM: We were in a prayer circle. There was probably about 30 or 40 of us that would get in the prayer circle together every morning before school. And that morning was like on any other morning that I had ever been at school.
Right after we said amen, he pulled a .22 out of his backpack and started shooting at us.
COOPER: And did you know him? I mean, had you seen him a lot?
JENKINS: Yes, I did know him. Health High School is a very small school. There's probably about 600 kids that went there. I graduated with 138, or something like that. And so I knew him. I knew just about everybody.
COOPER: Does it make any -- I mean time has passed. Does it make any more sense to you now than it did back then?
JENKINS: No, it doesn't. It's something that -- it's been happening so much. When it happened to me, it was almost -- one of the first ones that happened. And now, having to watch it happen over and over again, it's just reliving it over and over again. It's just a senseless thing.
And these kids are bringing guns to school, thinking that it's going to make their life better, that it's going to change things, make things good for them. But it's not. They're going to jail, and they're ruining people's lives.
COOPER: And what -- I mean, you work with kids. You work with teens trying to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. I mean, what have you learned from listening to these kids? JENKINS: Well, you know, I've learned a lot. I've learned that, you know, some of these kids that do these things are bullied. They're made fun of.
I never realized that the boy at my school was made fun of and he was. He was made fun of a lot. And he thought that bringing a gun to school would show everybody how serious he was and how, you know, he could do something for himself.
COOPER: And what was he -- why was he being made fun of?
JENKINS: I think it was because he was different, because he was somebody that was like a class clown. He liked to make people laugh and just do -- some people liked his humor and some people didn't, didn't like his humor. So I think that he was never taken seriously. And he felt if he brought a gun to school, he would be taken seriously.
COOPER: I know he tried to contact you. He tried to, I think, even phone you from prison. You don't want to hear from him. You don't want to have any communication with him?
JENKINS: Well, for me, I think that if I -- I wouldn't be able to get past it if that was to happen. But I did forgive him for what he did to me.
But the reason why I did was more myself, not for him, but for me. Because I knew being angry at him and hating him was not going to make me walk again. It wasn't going to bring back anybody that died that morning, and it wasn't going to change what happened. So I chose to forgive him, but for me, for what he did to me, for paralyzing me.
COOPER: Well, I know you're engaged to be married. Congratulations. I know you're going to get married in 2006.
JENKINS: Yes, thank you. Yes.
COOPER: And a happy event. And you're doing great work, and we really admire you and appreciate you being with us tonight. Thank you.
JENKINS: Thank you.
COOPER: Well, our special coverage of this Red Lake massacre continues in a moment. But first, let's get you up to date on the other stories making headlines right now. For that, we go to Headline News' Erica Hill.
Hey, Erica.
HILL: Hi again, Anderson.
It turns out the cost to mail a letter or bill may be going up. I know it seems like it just happened, but the post master general now recommending a five to six percent increases on all postal services beginning next year. He says the money is needed to cover contributions to the postal service's civil service retirement account. So that means a first class postage stamp, instead of 37, would set you back 39 cents.
Prince Ranier of Monaco is in intensive care. His children rushed to be at his bedside. He was hospitalized two weeks ago with a chest infection. Ranier has been in poor health in recent years.
Five construction workers were injured in Frame, West Virginia, today when the roof of a church they were building collapsed. None of the injuries is life-threatening. Officials say one truss fell, creating a domino effect that caused the entire structure to come down.
And some spectacular video for you now of a truck crash in Seattle, thanks to security cameras in Pioneer Square there. A truck flipped over, plowed into some parked cars on Sunday. Here it is again. It turns out the brakes on the truck -- check that out -- the brakes had failed.
Witnesses say the driver, though, is a real hero because he managed to avoid pedestrians and a loaded bus. In fact, the truck driver was the only one hurt, with just some minor cuts and bruises, which is absolutely amazing -- Anderson.
COOPER: He was able to have the presence of mind to do that. Erica, thanks.
Three-sixty next, our special report continues. If you're a parent watching, we're going to be talking about what you need to be looking for if your kid is being bullied. A lot of times principals may not take bullying all that seriously. We'll tell you why they should.
Also tonight, the e-mails continue to come in on this story and the Terri Schiavo story. We'll read what you have to say ahead.
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COOPER: Already there are rumblings that Jeff Weise was bullied before going on a shooting rampage at Red Lake High School in Minnesota. It wouldn't be surprising. Bullying has been blamed for triggering other school shootings. Not just the usual teasing. We're talking about constant harassment, extreme cruelty.
Jodee Blanco understands that. She wrote "The New York Times" best seller, "Please Stop Laughing at Me." After a childhood plagued by taunting and physical abuse, Jodee Blanco even tried to take a weapon to school at one point. She joins me now from Chicago.
Jodee, thanks for being with us.
You know, a lot of kids are teased and bullied at school. They don't take a gun or a knife to school and start killing their classmates. What kind of experiences can drive an otherwise good kid to retaliation? JODEE BLANCO, AUTHOR, "PLEASE STOP LAUGHING AT ME": It's the subtle forms of bullying. It's when a group of kids who all the adults adore in the school single out someone who's different for whatever reason.
They let that kid eat alone at lunch. They let him walk to class alone. They -- they roll their eyes as they pass him in the halls. That subtle torment makes the kid feel as if they're a mistake, and that rage can become deadly.
COOPER: You've spoken, I know, to young Native Americans about the issue of bullying. You speak to kids a lot. Is there anything unique that you learned about this specific group of kids?
BLANCO: Yes, Anderson. One of the things I learned speaking to Native American communities was that many of them are already esteem impaired to begin with, because there's such prejudice and stigma with the Native American community, a stigma they don't deserve. So they feel, in some ways, persecuted by mainstream society.
So there's already a volatility factor beneath the surface that these kids in this community so don't deserve to be experiencing.
COOPER: Let's talk about warning signs for parents who are out there, that their child might be a victim of school bullying. Because a lot of times, kids, I think, are afraid to talk to their parents about them. What are some of the warning signs?
BLANCO: The warning signs: lethargy, inexplicable fits of rage, sudden change in grades, either an increase or a decrease, looking for excuses to get out of school, faking sickness. Those are the most typical signs that a kid is being badly bullied at school.
COOPER: And what does a parent do about it?
BLANCO: Well, for one thing, they need to be compassionate. A lot of times, you have a kid who's being bullied, and so they act out in negative behaviors and they get punished. And so all you're doing is making an angry kid angrier. And we see what happens when the system makes an angry kid angrier.
They need to find an alternative social outlet for the kid, through the YMCA or the park district, where they can make knew friends outside of school.
If they want to take the child to a therapist, that's great. But attend the first few sessions with your child so your child feels that you're addressing the problem together, as opposed to he or she is the problem.
COOPER: You know, I was just thinking about the warning signs that you were talking about. Appearance change, lethargy, fits of rage. I mean, again, those are things that just about every kid exhibits at some point through their teenage years. I mean, I think I still exhibit a couple of those warning signs. I mean, how does a parent see the difference between -- you know, differentiate between what's serious and real and what's, you know, part of the whole process of growing up?
BLANCO: Sometimes you can't differentiate. But I can tell every parent in this audience, if your child is exhibiting any of these signs, take it seriously and engage curiosity.
I say this to teachers and principals across America, too: be curious. If a child is upset, if a child is angry, if a child is depressed, ask questions. Be compassionate and curious.
And also the bullies. Bullies are bleeding, too. Kids don't tease other kids because they're cruel. They do it to fit in. They don't realize they're hurting them. And my message is always to kids at school it's not just joking around.
And parents and teachers have to be aware and be curious. You can't just let it go and assume it's OK. If a child is hurting, questions need to be asked. Things need to be done.
COOPER: Very well said. Jodee Blanco, appreciate you being with us. Thank you.
BLANCO: Thank you.
COOPER: Time now to check in with Larry King, see what's ahead at the top of the hour. Larry, what do you have tonight?
LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": Anderson, we're five minutes away and we have the first live prime-time interview with Rick Warren, author of "The Purpose Driven Life." That was the No. 1 best- seller that faded after awhile and then suddenly the Ashley Smith story burgeoned him back into the headlines. His first appearance is with us in now 4 1/2 minutes from right now. Rick Warren, with phone calls -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Larry, thanks. We'll be watching.
360 next, the special edition continues. The reality of the nightmare in Red Lake. We'll take the tragedy and the shock to the "Nth Degree."
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COOPER: And now the time of the night where we check on some of your e-mails. A lot of you have been writing about the Red Lake school killings.
Jason from Orlando, Florida, writes, "I'm tired of everybody blaming teen violence on video games and Marilyn Manson. We don't blame bad drivers on bumper cars and carnival rides. The truth is if the parents of these kids paid them more attention and were involved in their lives, these incidents could probably have been averted."
And Derek from Sacramento writes, "Bullying in schools is by far the greatest single contributor to this problem. I'm nearly 50, and I clearly remember being bullied when I was in high school. I was incredibly angry about it then and because of a turbulent family and an abusive father, it's a miracle I didn't kill someone myself then."
If you've got something on your mind, send us e-mail. Just go onto CNN.com/360, click on the instant feedback link.
And finally, tonight, taking a shocking breach to the "Nth Degree."
We think of certain places as being protected from violence, really, and protected from calamity, as if by nature itself, nature in the form of ancient taboos, that no one would ever dear to break. There's a kind of invisible cordon around such places, we think, a magical boundary strong enough to keep all evil at bay.
That's why the news with which we've been grappling these last two days, especially these last two hours, comes as such an appalling shock.
Even after Columbine, even after Paducah, Kentucky, even after all those other places we all now can name, still, word of such a thing happening in a school, word of the murder of children by someone himself still a child and of teachers and others who are protectors of children. Word of such an event is almost unbearable. It's like a bomb landing on a hospital or an artillery shell on a house of worship. It is so completely and awfully unjust that truly it takes our breath away.
For wrong to triumph in the very place that children go to be taught what is right, that truly is the stuff of nightmares.
Thanks very much for watching this special two-hour edition of 360. We'll be back tomorrow at 7 p.m. Eastern Time with another two- hour edition of 360. Paula Zahn is on vacation all this week.
CNN's prime time line up continues now with "LARRY KING LIVE." Good night.
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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST: Good evening from New York. I'm Anderson Cooper.
A massacre in Minnesota, blamed on one lonely boy.
360 starts now.
Massacre at Red Lake High. Nine killed, seven injured by a 16- year-old who called himself Native Nazi. Tonight, who is Jeff Weise, and what sent him on a sickening killing spree?
Blood in the halls of Red Lake High. What it was like inside the school when the shots began, and what happened in those final moments before the killer turned the gun on himself.
The battle turns over Terri Schiavo, the latest legal maneuvers, and shocking allegations against her husband. Terri Schiavo's former nurse speaks out. But is she telling the truth? Or is this a dirty tactic to keep Terri alive?
Michael Jackson, crying in court, dazed and confused. If his case is going well, why does it seem like the singer is falling apart? Tonight, his former spiritual adviser speaks out about drugs, hangers- on, and Michael Jackson's mental health.
And caught on tape, the harrowing rescue of nine coal miners.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All nine are alive.
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COOPER: The story gripped the nation. Tonight, find out whatever happened to the Quecreek Nine.
ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is a special two-hour edition of ANDERSON COOPER 360.
COOPER: Good evening.
There is a lot to talk about tonight. It has happened again. A school full of kids, a confused young by, grief and anger descends.
Red Lake, Minnesota, 10 people dead, one of them the boy police say became a cold-blooded killer. His name is Jeff Weise, 16 years old, a student at Red Lake High. And investigators say he was the grandson of one of the two people killed outside the school.
When it was all over there in Red Lake, north of Bmidgy (ph), after nine people had been fatally shot, Jeff Weise apparently turned his gun on himself.
CNN's Sean Callebs has more now on this dreadful story.
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SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Minnesota's capital of St. Paul, an emotional tribute to those who died at the Red Lake Reservation. Native American groups say this fire will burn for four days, but the pain and anguish here will last much longer.
DR. JOE CORSER, NORTH COUNTY REGIONAL HOSPITAL: I think that everybody here understands what a huge tragedy this is for the Red Lake community.
CALLEBS: The suspect, 16-year-old Jeffrey Weise, apparently had a history of visiting neo-Nazi Web sites, and apparently went on a Nazi Web page, where he dubbed himself the Angel of Death, then, with a handgun and shotgun, went on a shooting rampage. The FBI won't comment on Weise's alleged connection to Internet hate groups.
Tribal leaders here say the community is devastated.
FLOYD JOURDAIN, RED LAKE TRIBAL CHIEF: We have never seen anything like this in the history of our tribe. And without doubt, this is the darkest days in the history of our people.
CALLEBS: The FBI says Weise apparently first killed his grandfather and his companion. The suspect's grandfather was a long- time reservation police officer.
MICHAEL TABMAN, FBI: Mr. Weise, then, we believe, took the police bulletproof vest and gun belt of his grandfather, donned those, got into the police vehicle his grandfather had, and drove to the school.
CALLEBS: There he shot and killed seven and wounded many others. After exchanging gunfire with police, Weise apparently took his own life.
The FBI says there is videotape of Weise stalking the halls of the school, but say the tape and 911 calls are not being released at this time.
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CALLEBS: And live now at the Red Lake Reservation, authorities say they also are convinced that Weise acted alone, but they say he did not leave a suicide note, and, Anderson, did not have a list of intended victims.
COOPER: Sean, at this point, I mean, I know this information at this point is very fragmentary. Do we know, was this in one classroom, was this in the halls? Do we know anything about what happened exactly inside that school?
CALLEBS: Yes, we do. We can tell you that apparently, Weise drove his grandfather's police car right up to the door, then walked inside through a metal detector, while wearing the bulletproof vest and carrying the weapons. So at that point, he was confronted by an unarmed guard at the door. That is the first person that Weise apparently killed in the school.
Then he went into one classroom, shot a number of students there, back out into the hall, and that's when the security cameras began capturing images of Weise in the all. Didn't see him firing the weapons. He went into one other classroom, and at that point, he began exchanging gunfire with police, then he went back into the first classroom, and that, authorities say, is where he took his own life.
COOPER: All right, Sean Callebs, thanks for that.
The shooting is the worst since the killings in Columbine High School. That was back in 1999. And today, knowing that there are a lot of kids right now, and a lot of parents right now in pain in Minnesota, many of the kids and the parents who lived through Columbine are offering their experiences and their prayers.
Darell Scott is the father of Rachel Joy Scott. She was just 17 year old on the night of her (UNINTELLIGIBLE) -- Obviously that's not Rachel Scott. On the night of her prom, her date said she looked like a movie star. Rachel Scott was the first to die at Columbine High.
Darell, right now in Minnesota, there are some parents who are going through exactly what you went through after the attack in Columbine. You were brought to the school, all the parents were brought to the school. Some of them were, were told, you know, hooked up again with their, with their kids, but no one ever called out your, your, your daughter's name. What, what happened?
DARELL SCOTT, DAUGHTER DIED AT COLUMBINE: Well, I had been across town when I got a phone call from my wife saying that there had been a shooting. And I rushed across town, went to an elementary school, where they were telling parents and grandparents to wait for children.
And I -- it was just a long day, as bus after bus came, and children got off of the buses. And we kept looking for Rachel. We had heard from my son, Craig, who was in the library. Craig experienced -- he came so close to dying. His two close friends were killed beside him. And he was just seconds away from being shot himself.
But I think just the agony of not knowing what had happened. And we didn't get official word until the next day that Rachel was one of the victims. But, of course, by midnight that night, we pretty much knew that she was.
COOPER: And your advice to parents who are going through, I mean, this, this thing, if it's something, I guess, that no one can, can really understand unless they've been through it. SCOTT: Right now, they just need the love of their friends and family. They don't need advice from people like me or people that they don't know. And yes, we, all of us from Columbine and the other school shootings certainly know what they're going through. And we feel for them, we pray for them, think about them. And our heart goes out to them.
But they just need to be loved by their family and friends and people close to them.
COOPER: Rachel once wrote, "I have this theory that if one person will go out of their way to share compassion and kindness, it'll start a chain reaction of the same." As, as you look at these school shootings now, I mean, do you understand them? Do they make sense to you in any way?
SCOTT: You know, there's a lot of elements that I think go into the school shootings. But the two common threads that I personally see are a combination of isolated kids, who feel put down or pushed around or picked on or teased, that combination, that desperation, coupled with the access they have of the violent influences in our society, through the media, through games that they play, things that weren't there when I was a kid.
And I think that's -- that combination is a deadly combination. When you have access to so much violence, access to things that we couldn't see when I -- The worst violence I saw on television was on "The Andy Griffith Show" with Opie getting into a fight over a, you know, peanut butter sandwich.
But today, unfortunately, they can see just about everything there is to see and experience it vicariously.
COOPER: And I know you go around to schools, talking and sharing Rachel's message. How are you doing, how's your family doing? How's Craig doing?
SCOTT: We're doing good. My son, Craig, is wanting to be a movie producer someday. He's going to college right now. And our family's doing great. We have a program with seven speakers that go into high schools and middle schools. It's called Rachel's Challenge. And we've been in roughly 1,000 schools here in America, middle schools high schools and schools around the world, actually.
And we're seeing a lot of good results. We see statistically violent crime go down in the schools, attendance records go up. And the program's just exploding.
COOPER: Well, Darell, (UNINTELLIGIBLE), it's a pleasure to talk to you. I'm sorry it's under these circumstances. But I'm glad you came in and talking about Rachel and Craig and your family (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
SCOTT: Well, thank you, and our hearts really do go out to those people.
COOPER: They certainly do.
We got a number of other stories to cover in this hour. But we're going to be devoting our entire hour at 8:00 to the massacre at Red Lake High.
Take a look at the photo of the alleged killer. I mean, you look at this kid's photo, there's no hint of the darkness that he was about to unleash. It's hard to imagine him a killer.
At 8:00, we're going to go in depth, what we know about this boy's life. What we just discovered, he may have been sending messages to a alleged neo-Nazi Web site. Called himself Native Nazi. We'll take a look at that, and all the other details we know about him, at 8:00.
Coming up next on 360, life-and-death decision. The parents of Terri Schiavo, they lost another round in court this morning. They got another round in court to go. It could break any minute. We'll bring it to you live.
We're also going to look at the accusations against Terri Schiavo's husband, who pulled her feeding tube. Those attacks against him are intensifying. We're going to take a close look at what is becoming an extremely personal battle.
Also tonight, the rescue that gripped the nation. Nine men trapped in a flooded Pennsylvania mine. Whatever happened to them now? We're going to take a look, bring you up to date.
And a little bit later, Michael Jackson, seemingly dazed, confused. Is he under the influence of medication, or just bad advice? We're going to speak to his former spiritual adviser, who says the pop star is spinning out of control.
All that ahead. First, let's take a look at your picks, what you think the popular stories right now on CNN.com.
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MARY SCHINDLER, TERRI SCHIAVO'S MOTHER: For the love of God, I'm begging you, don't let my daughter die of thirst.
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COOPER: That was Terri Schiavo's mom earlier today.
It's been 101 hours since the feeding tube that supplies her with food and water and life was disconnected. Her parents say she is "fading quickly." Those are their words.
And tonight, they are making perhaps their last plea to keep her alive. Now, earlier today, Robert and Mary Schindler were dealt a major setback when a federal court denied their request to reinsert the tube. They immediately filed an appeal to a higher court, and a ruling is expected at any moment. We, of course, going to bring that to you live if it happens.
Strategically, however, the battle over Terri Schiavo has really taken a turn in the last 24 hours. Terri's husband, Michael, has become a target. He's been vilified, called all sorts of things. Tonight, we take a hard look at what is being said about him and what's true and not.
CNN's John Zarrella is following the story.
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JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As Terri Schiavo enters her fifth day without food or water, both sides are pulling out the stops to sway the debate. Now, a former nurse who cared for Terri in the mid 1990s has accused Michael Schiavo of wanting his wife dead.
CARLA SAUER IYER, TERRI SCHIAVO'S FORMER NURSE: I saw some, you know, needle marks underneath her breasts, underneath her arm, and in her groin. She was lethargic, she was restless, she was sweating profusely.
ZARRELLA: The day after Carla Sauer Iyer says she told her story to police, she says she was fired.
IYER: I was terminated the next day, but the police were questioning me, Did you actually see the needle go into Terri's arm from Michael? And I said, No, I did not see the needle, because he had the door closed.
ZARRELLA: Police investigated these and other allegations and found no evidence. Michael Schiavo's attorney, Hamdin Baskin, tells CNN there is no proof of any of her allegations, which, he says, quote, "we've heard over and over."
Iyer was fired in 1996 for ignoring Michael Schiavo's requests and for poor care, the hospital has said in the past.
The facility was sold six years ago, and the new owners say no records were left behind.
The man who wrote the report on Terri Schiavo for the governor in 2003 says Michael was demanding in the care he expected for Terri, insisting on the best care possible for Terri.
DR. JAY WOLFSON, UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN FLORIDA: Michael was so demanding of the medical staff, of the staff of the facility, that there was an effort to initiate injunctions against him, stop him from coming in, because he was demanding so much.
ZARRELLA: The nurse's allegations first surfaced in 2003, when Terri's feeding tube was removed for six days. Now, they are back, and with each round lost in court, questions of Michael Schiavo's character have intensified. There's almost as much talk about Michael today as there is about saving Terri.
(END VIDEOTAPE) ZARRELLA: Here at the hospice tonight, Terri Schiavo's family members, her father and her sister, have gathered to keep the vigil and to await the 11th Circuit Court. In fact, just a few minutes ago, her father and sister went into the hospice to visit with Terri.
And while this is going on here, in Tallahassee, Governor Bush received a letter from Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist urging the governor to get the Florida legislature to work quickly and swiftly to pass a bill that would, in essence, give the Schindlers, Terri's parents, another avenue of appeal, Anderson.
COOPER: So John, I just want to be absolutely clear. This nurse's allegations against Terri Schiavo's husband, I mean, they've been investigated by police, and police have determined there's no truth to them, is that correct?
ZARRELLA: That's absolutely accurate. They were investigated. In fact, as we heard in the piece, the one man who wrote the report for the governor looked at all of those allegations as well, and all of that was part of the court record. It was thoroughly investigated, as were other allegations. And they were all deemed to be baseless.
COOPER: All right, John Zarrella, thanks for the clarification. Appreciate it.
We've been getting flooded with your e-mails about this story on both sides, really.
This tragedy, there's another story, though, about a life in the balance that has also caught our attention. In a Texas hospital last week, a little boy, whose name was Sun Hudson, he was just 5 months old. He was on life support. His mother didn't want to end his life, but the hospital said there was no hope, and by law, by Texas law, they could terminate treatment.
Now, that law in Texas was signed by then-Governor George W. Bush. The president's critics are now saying, How come erring on the side of the life is OK for Terri Schiavo, but not for little Sun Hudson?
As always, we don't take sides on 360. We like to look at all the angles on a story. So with all the angles tonight, here's CNN's White House correspondent, Suzanne Malveaux.
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Since he was born, Sun Hudson had to fight for his life. He was kept alive on a ventilator, but hospital officials said his case was futile, and recommended discontinuing life support.
The infant's mother, Wanda Hudson, objected, but last week, the boy's breathing tube was removed, and he died minutes later.
WANDA HUDSON, INFANT'S MOTHER: They took him off the ventilator, and he breathed his last breath, and that was it. MALVEAUX: The hospital used a Texas law signed in 1999 by then- Governor George Bush, and amended in 2003 to include minors' cases, which allows doctors to make the final call on terminating treatment.
Dr. Thomas Mayo helped draft the legislation.
DR. THOMAS MAYO, SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY: When the doctors disagree with the decision maker, in this case the family decision maker, after they have gone through the requirements of the statute, the hospital may remove life support over the family's objections.
MALVEAUX: Now, President Bush's signing of Terri's Law, which moved Terri Schiavo's case to federal court in an effort to save her life, has put a spotlight on Mr. Bush's past and present treatment of the matter.
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It is wise to always Eric Robert Rudolph on the side of life.
MALVEAUX: Critics charge hypocrisy.
REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ (D), FLORIDA: There is an obvious conflict here between the president's feelings on this matter now, as compared to when he was governor of Texas.
MAYO: I don't see as a conflict, and I don't see the president's being hypocritical.
MALVEAUX: The Texas law included new provisions sought by right- to-life advocates to buy families more time and more options for their dying loved ones.
MAYO: There's a 10-day, mandatory 10-day waiting period to allow for the possibility of a transfer to another hospital, to allow for a trip to the courthouse.
MALVEAUX: Consistent, the White House says, with President Bush's action in the Schiavo case.
SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: So this law really was based on putting in new protections for someone when their life was at stake. And so that's consistent with what the president's view has always been, that we should be on the side of defending life at all stages.
MALVEAUX: And defining life the heart of the controversy.
Suzanne Malveaux, CNN, the White House.
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COOPER: Well, a tense hostage stand off in New Jersey. Erica Hill from headline News joins us at about a quarter past with the latest. Hey, Erica.
ERICA HILL, CNN HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Hi, Anderson. Yes, an apparent hostage situation, luckily, ended peacefully in Brunswick, New Jersey today, after six hours. Police, at this point, still trying to determine what happened. A teenage girl called 911 this morning, saying she was raped and was handcuffed to the bed. Shortly after that, a male called police and said he weapons and would kill the girl and anyone who tried to entered the house. Two man and a teenage girl are now in custody. Police are trying to determine whether to file charges.
The Montana painter accused of trying to kidnap David Letterman's young son pleaded not guilty to the charged today. He will remain in jail on $650,000 bond. Meantime on his show last night, Letterman thanked several law enforcement officials for helping to unravel the alleged plot. And he thanked the residents of Chuga (ph), Montana, where he has a ranch for their hospitality.
Help has arrived for a disabled fish processing ship in the Gulf of Alaska. A Coast Guard cutter is towing the vessel to safety. The ship's steering system failed yesterday. It was being tossed about in 20 foot seas, and near hurricane strength wind. There more than 200 people aboard. No injuries have been reported.
Prince Rainier of Monaco is now in intensive care. His three children rushed to be at his bed side. He was hospitalized two weeks ago with a chest infection. He's been in poor health in recent years. And obviously, the family watching that very closely, Anderson.
COOPER: OK, thanks. We'll see you again in about 30 minutes. It's about 21 past the hour.
360 next, though, nine men trapped in a flooded mine 234 feet under ground. The dramatic rescue caught on tape. It gripped a nation. Everyone remembers, really, where they were when they were watching this. Tonight, we're going to tell you what ever happened to those miners.
Also ahead tonight, what is going on with Michael Jackson. Find out why his former spiritual adviser says he is spinning out of control. He's showing up late. He's looking like he's going to throw up in court. What's going on?
Plus, are you stressed out at work, maybe at life. Well, 360 M.D., Sanjay Gupta is here to tell you that stress, it may be effecting your memory. If you don't believe me, as we go to break, lets take our memory quiz right now.
Try this. Remember these words, boat, glass, apple, bear and table. Now, count backwards from 100 to zero by three backwards --100 to zero by three. We'll find out how many words you can remember when we come back.
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COOPER: All right. Before we went to break, we give you a memory quiz. We asked you to remember some words while counting back. So how any words did you remember, three, four, five? All right, well here's a look again at the words we challenged you to memorize. Boat, glass, apple, bear, and table. How did you do? I think I got, like, one of them. It's not actually easy because our short term memory is really limited. It retained only seven bits of information for about 25 seconds. That's why a seven digit phone number is easier to remember than your credit card number. As we continue our series, "Refresh Your Memory," 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta visited the military's elite survival school at Fort Brag in North Carolina to see how stress effects all of our memory.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not going to listen to any more lies from you. You've been lying to me off and on, ever since we've started this interview.
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You'd think it would be unforgettable. Imagine, nearly an hour face to face, an interrogator leans in, cajoling and then threatening, demanding the code word.
This is the military's elite survival school at Ft. Bragg in North Carolina. The final exam, three days of hell. Hiding in starvation in the woods, inevitable capture, an interrogation by an instructor playing the role of a brutal warden at a POW camp. If you want to study the effect of stress on memory, this is the place.
Dr. Andy Morgan of Yale University test the trainees during the mock interrogation. Not surprisingly, he found that stress, measured by hormone levels, is extremely high.
DR. ANDY MORGAN, YALE UNIVERSITY: When I say extraordinary high, I mean specifically, it's higher than levels we have seen in people who are landing on an aircraft carrier at night for the first time. It's higher than people who are skydiving for the first time. So, the physical pressure can be up. People can actually physically touch them. And their heart rate goes way up to about 165, 175 beats a minute.
GUPTA: A day later, Morgan showed trainees a line up, like ones used by police. Could they identify the guard who was grilling them. Remarkably, the answer for most was no. Details of the training are classified. The military did not let us film the mock interrogation, but we can say the interrogator's face is uncovered and comes within inches of the squirming prisoner. And yet, when shown a set of photos, only 34 percent could identify the man or women who had confronted them. In the experiment, the eyes weren't covered as they are here.
MORGAN: People picked a male when it was a female that interrogated them. We had people who were interrogated by white men who picked black men in the line up and other minorities. We had people who were picking folks as their interrogator who have hair on their head, when in fact, their interrogator was bald.
GUPTA: When photos were shown one by one, instead of all at once, accuracy was a little better, but still just 49 percent. Memory may have suffered from lack of food and sleep, but Morgan says stress was the key. And that more stress the trainee registered, the less accurate he was.
MORGAN: So, if a high stress event, whether you do live line ups, photo spreads or the sequential photo line up, you would have done better flipping a coin.
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GUPTA: And we do remember most important things, Anderson. Whether it's the name of somebody who's very familiar or the face or the smell, for example of chocolate chip cookies. The problem is the details -- the devils in the details. And while stress makes are memory stronger, it just makes the history of a memory stronger, not necessarily all the details, Anderson.
COOPER: I must have a terrible memory, because I could not identify that guy in any of those pictures. You know, we all have stressful situations at work. What can you, actually, do to help your memory in that situation, in the work place.
GUPTA: Yes. I mean, we are certainly all under stress. There's some strategies you can have to try to be the most productive that you can possibly be. For example, find the sweet spot in your day. And what I mean by that, is find that part of the day where you're most productive, and try and do your brain intensive work at that time. Also, If you can work in a workout during the day, that's a really good idea.
Oxygenated blood to the brain really helps your thinking as well. They're other things too, in terms of just little things. If you're having a hard time remembering something, try to re-create conditions when the event happened. That usually will spark your memory. That goes for testing as well. If you're going to be taking a text the next, try to reapproximate the conditions. Write things down, say things out loud as well. I'm going to be on ANDERSON COOPER at 7:25 -- see, and here I am. I wrote it down.
COOPER: Dr. Gupta, thanks very much.
Our series continues tomorrow with a look at haunting memories, memories that we wish we could forget, but our brain just won't go.
Michael Jackson, crying in court, dazed and confused. If his case is going well, why does it seem like the singer is falling apart? Tonight, his former spiritual adviser speaks out about drugs, hangers- on, and Michael Jackson's mental health.
And "Caught on Tape:" the harrowing rescue of nine coal minors.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All nine are alive.
(END VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: The story gripped the nation. Tonight, find out whatever happened to the Quecreek nine.
360 continues.
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COOPER: Well, that was a dazed and confused-looking Michael Jackson yesterday as he struggled just to walk into the court room. It was the third time since the trial began that his health became an issue. Later on he started crying.
It supplies a lot of fodder, maybe, for late night comics but Jackson's appearance is no joke to his formal spiritual adviser. In fact, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach fears Jackson's health may be a matter of life and death. I spoke to him earlier today.
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COOPER: When you see Michael Jackson, I mean, yesterday, he appeared in great pain. The other day, he appeared in his pajamas. What do you think is going on with him?
RABBI SHMULEY BOTEACH, FMR. JACKSON SPIRITUAL ADVISER: It amazes me is how the media -- no one has really looked into, who are his doctors? Who is giving him this stuff? Every time he claims some mystery malady, there's some doctor to medicate him with painkillers.
Everyone remembers what happened to Elvis. He died, and there were all these doctors at whom fingers were pointed afterward. Michael -- is Michael a good man? No, he's a very self-absorbed man. But is he an evil man? Does he deserve to die? Of course not. I'm not sure that he's going to live.
COOPER: You once wrote that, to be in the orbit of a superstar is to be subject to an indescribably strong gravitational pull. Do you think his doctors, I mean, do you think that all of the people around him have succumbed to the gravitational pull?
BOTEACH: Of course. Absolutely. And it happens with all the superstars. Notice that most superstars die of drug overdosed. We lost Marilyn Monroe that way. It was suicide or it was an overdose. Elvis, Janice Joplin. The list goes on and on. Michael Jackson, as the world's foremost star, even without these child molestation allegations, has a short shelf life, and if he doesn't take drastic action, to remedy the serious deterioration of his life, he will die. It was one of the main that reasons I decided to end our friendship with him, as I didn't know whether or not this man would be alive for a long time...
COOPER: But, how can you say he will die?
BOTEACH: Well, look at him. Look at him, Anderson. You're a smart man. I'm just amazed that no one in the media -- people -- everyone looks at, he came late. He's so arrogant, doesn't care about the law. Look at the man. He is a shell. He is a shell. How much -- how many prescription drugs can a man take until it finally finishes him off? At what point can a man's constitution succumb to this assault?
COOPER: Well, you were once in that inner circle. Is there anyone who ever says no to him, anyone who ever says, you know what, you shouldn't be doing this, or let's...?
BOTEACH: There are, and then you end up where I am. Our friendship is over, which is OK. I'd rather...
COOPER: Because if you speak the truth to him...
BOTEACH: You know, I can only speak from my experience, the benefit of my experience.
Michael took my criticism for about a year. And I was gentle, and he really started to rehabilitate his life. I used to say to him, do you want to be a joke? Is this really what you want, to be more famous for eccentric -- forget eccentricity, for weirdness, than for your talent. Do you really want do be the world's most discredited man? No, Shmuley, I don't want to be that.
We took him to Oxford University, gave a lecture a few blocks from here at Carnegie Hall. He got standing ovations. Michael is a smart man. You don't achieve what he achieved being a dunce. He's not the air-headed buffoon that people think he is. He has eloquence, he has great creativity of imagination, but the level of medication that he is taking will destroy this man.
Do you this can he wants to come late to court? Michael's life may end, and what's amazing to me is the people around him who do have some control over him, Thomas Mesereau, his family, why don't they end this silly trial?
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COOPER: Well, we talked to a spokesperson for Jackson who had this to say about the singer's health: "Michael Jackson for the last two weeks has been suffering from excruciating back pain. He does not have an emotional or psychological problem, but a back problem. He is strong spiritually and emotionally due to the love and support he is receiving from his mother, father, sisters and brothers, and other advisers and friends."
Tomorrow, Rabbi Boteach will be back for a 360 special at 8:00 p.m. Eastern, and "Beyond the Headlines" of the Michael Jackson case: what it's like in his inner circle, and more about whether anyone says no to the pop star. A fascinating look at Jackson's life and the case against him.
Coming up next, though, on 360, "Caught on Tape." Nine men caught in a flooded well. The story captivated the country, but what happened to those miners.
And we go in-depth on the massacre at Red Lake. What drove this young man to murder? Why was he allegedly e-mailing a Nazi web site? Devoting the entire 8:00 hour to this case, covering all the angles. Stay with us.
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COOPER: What a moment that was. A heroic rescue caught on tape. Did you ever wonder, however, what happened after the cameras stopped rolling. All this week, we're taking a look at the stories, the videotapes that transfixed the nation. And looking at where the main players are now.
Tonight, the Quecreek miners. Here's CNN's Gary Tuchman.
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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The world was watching as rescuers desperately drilled into 240 feet of rock, trying to save nine men in a flooded Pennsylvania mine. But nobody above the ground new if the miners were dead or alive, and then came the word.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All nine are alive.
TUCHMAN: After 77 hours with tens of millions of gallons of water having flooded the Quecreek Mine, the men were pulled up one at a time in a cage like cylinder. All nine miners had survived, and over a 90-minute period, they were rescued on live TV.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lucky seven, Dennis J. Hall -- H-A-L-L. He's 49-years- old and a local boy from Johnstown.
TUCHMAN: Dennis Hall comes from a family of miners. He had worked underground since he was a teenager. At first, he was hopeful there would be a rescue, but 18 hours went by where nothing was heard from above.
DENNIS HALL, TRAPPED MINOR: Time was running out as that water filled the mine up, we were losing our oxygen.
TUCHMAN: Hall and his fellow minors wrote goodbye letters to their families and put them in a bucket.
HALL: I made peace with the Lord, and I figured if this is the way he wants me to die, you know, I have to accept this. I didn't like it, but I did accept it.
TUCHMAN: Another trapped miner, Randy Fogle, felt the same way. And thought about the family members in the mines before him.
RANDY FOGLE, TRAPPED MINOR: I've had on my mom's side, her dad died in the mines. My uncle on her side lost his leg in the mines. On my wife's side, her dad's lost his day before he was born.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His name is Randy Fogle.
TUCHMAN: Heroic measures by many made the rescue possible. The Quecreek Mine is under a farm. The owner of the farm did the first digging.
BILL ARNOLD, FARMER: Because they were under my property, I somehow felt responsibility for their well being.
TUCHMAN: A microphone lowered into the underground, ultimately, made it clear everyone was alive. The cage was dropped inside and the miners realized they were saved.
HALL: Wow, you know. I can't believe this, you know. I just couldn't believe it.
TUCHMAN: Some of the men still work in the coal mining industry, but only Randy Fogle is still working underground.
Dennis Hall, husband and father of two undergoes counseling and at his families request will never work again as a miner.
HALL: You know, how they say -- stop and smell the roses? There's a lot of truth to that.
TUCHMAN: Gary Tuchman, CNN, Atlanta.
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COOPER: Remarkable. 360 next, an explosion rocks Beirut again. It just happened a short time ago, we'll take you there.
Plus, a one hour special on the Red Lake High School Massacre, coming up at the top of this hour. We'll profile the teen killer who was reportedly being bullied at school.
And we'll talk about the things parents should watch out for when they suspect their child is being bullied. It's quite possibly, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
And a little later -- "The World in 360."
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COOPER: "The World in 360" now, in a developing story out of Beirut, there's are reports of a deadly explosion just north of the city. CNN's Beirut bureau chief, Brent Sadler is there, joins us now on the phone.
Brent, what can you tell us?
BRENT SADLER, CNN BEIRUT BUREAU CHIEF: Anderson, an explosion tore into a shopping center some 12 miles north of a the Lebanese capital, claiming lives, inflicting injuries. Now, this is the second explosion to hit mainly Christian areas of Lebanon within the last week. Police here, say a bomb caused extensive damage to a shopping complex in a late night blast, that targeted a largely commercial district of Catholic.
Local television here has been showing chaotic pictures of emergency workers and security personnel climbing through wreckage in a search for victims that were buried under debris and glass. The blast come just days, as I say, after a similar explosion that hit a mainly Christian residential neighborhood, just a few miles north of the capital.
Eleven people were injured in that attack. No one was arrested. This attack comes at a time of political paralysis here between pro- Syrian administrators and the countries anti-Syrian opposition. And this latest blast will doubtless worry even more people here -- Anderson.
COOPER: No doubt about it. Brent Sadler, reporting from Beirut. Thanks, Brent.
Tornado season has begun, and the twisters are already touching down down south.
Erica Hill joins us with the headlines making news right now. Hey, Erica.
HILL: Hey, Anderson, that's right. Strong storms in the southeast spawning, at least, one tornado in Alabama. Four people were hurt near Dothan. Two of the injures were trapped in inside damaged homes. Now, the twister also downed trees and power lines.
The army using a new strategy to increase a pool of potential recruits for the national guard and army reserve, raising the maximum enlistment age from 34 up to 39. All part of a three year test program. The army says the Iraq War, and other pressures are discouraging young people from joining the guard and the reserves.
Barry Bonds may not be chasing Hank Aaron's all time home run record, at least not this year. The San Francisco Giant slugger told reporters today, he may be out for the an entire season after having two surgeries on his right knee this month.
Actor Robert Blake is speculating now on who killed his wife, Bonnie Lee Bakley, in his first television interview since being acquitted last week on charges that he killed her. Blake said his wife had a lot of enemies, and said he was prepared for the worst when the verdict was read.
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ROBERT BLAKE, ACQUITTED ON MURDER CHARGES: I had gotten so brainwashed over five years of being America's Saddam Hussein that I figured if enough people want you dead, why not just croak and get it over with, and go see the boss.
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HILL: And that again, Robert Blake. Of course, Anderson, the good news for him, instead of going to see the boss, he gets to go cowboying.
COOPER: You know what cowboying is, don't you?
HILL: Nothing like a one-armed nine-ball with an 80-year-old Portuguese woman living in Phoenix.
COOPER: I don't know if it was Phoenix, exactly, it was just somewhere in Arizona.
HILL: Maybe it wasn't. Somewhere in Arizona.
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All right, Erica, thanks. We'll go cowboying sometime. We'll see you again.
HILL: Sounds good.
COOPER: 360 next: taking a look at the Red Lake massacre, the latest on the deadly school shooting in Minnesota.
We'll devote the entire hour to the tragedy. What made this young man take so many lives? We'll take a closer look at the alleged teen gunman.
And a little later, classroom bullies. The tips you need to know if you child is being bullied at school.
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FLOYD JOURDAIN, RED LAKE TRIBAL CHIEF: Our community is devastated by this event. We have never seen anything like this in the history of our tribe, and without doubt, this is the darkest days in the history of our people.
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COOPER: A dark day indeed for Minnesota. We're going to turn our attention now, for the entire hour to come, back to Red Lake, Minnesota, north of Bemidji, not far from the Canadian border, and to the almost unimaginable thing that happened there just yesterday.
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COOPER (voice-over): This is what police say happened. This is what we know. A 16-year-old boy named Jeff Weise -- that's his picture there -- seems first have to shot his grandfather to death at the man's home along with his grandfather's companion. He took his grandfather's guns and his car and went to this school, Red Lake High, where he killed five schoolmates, a teacher, a security officer, and finally, turning the gun on himself.
Look at this photo that we found of the school. The sign there saying all weapons strictly prohibited on Red Lake School grounds.
CNN's Keith Oppenheim has the latest on what we know happened in the halls of that school.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Investigators say the violent trail of 16-year-old Jeffrey Weise began sometime before 3:00 p.m. Monday at the home of his grandfather, Daryl Lussier.
MICHAEL TABMAN, FBI: There, armed, we believe, with a .22 caliber weapon, Mr. Weise shot and killed Mr. Lussier and his companion, Michelle Sigana.
OPPENHEIM: Weise's grandfather worked for the tribal police department. And investigators say Jeff Weise grabbed other guns, a .40 caliber hand gun and 12-gauge shotgun.
TABMAN: Mr. Weise, then, we believe, took the police bullet proof vest and gun belt of his grandfather, donned those, got into the police vehicle his grandfather had, and drove to the school, driving up right to the door.
OPPENHEIM: At the school door, FBI agents say, it is almost 3:00 p.m. and this is when they say Weise shoots and kills an unarmed security officer, then goes inside the building, guns firing randomly at students.
TABMAN: He fired some shots in their direction. Understandably, they fled and ran to a classroom.
OPPENHEIM: Alicia Neadeau described how her teacher tried to get kids to safety behind closed doors.
ALICIA NEADEAU, WITNESS: So everybody got in a classroom and then she said, lock the doors, and then she picked up a desk and she pushed it over to the door, and had to barricade the door.
OPPENHEIM: FBI agents say Weise followed a different group and went into a classroom.
TABMAN: It's there that he opened fire, killing a number of students and the teacher.
OPPENHEIM: Four police officers then enter the school. One exchanges fire with Weise, but no officers are hurt.
TABMAN: Shortly after that exchange, Mr. Weise went back into the classroom where he previously fired upon those people, and he took his own life.
OPPENHEIM: The FBI said the entire assault at the school lasted for less than ten minutes.
SHERRY BIRKELAND, NORTH COUNTRY REGIONAL HOSPITAL: We've never dealt with anything like this before.
OPPENHEIM: Seven people were rushed to the hospital, two with gunshots to the head. Eventually, the death toll, including the gunman, rose to 10.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This was her. OPPENHEIM: And by Tuesday, relatives were left to show pictures of the people they loved.
Orville White offered a picture of his niece, Thurlene, on the right in this photo.
QUESTION: Do you know what the family is going to do about a funeral?
ORVILLE WHITE, VICTIM'S UNCLE: No, I don't know right now. Find out in a couple of days or so.
OPPENHEIM: The words did not come easy for him, and perhaps for many in Red Lake, they won't for a long time.
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OPPENHEIM: Anderson, one thing that might help with this timeline is videotape. There is videotape, security pictures that were taken of Jeff Weise in the hallway of the school at the time of the incident. The FBI isn't released the tape yet, but they have said that on the type, Weise isn't shooting anyone. Still, his demeanor on this tape might give investigators some clue as to what would have led him to this assault.
Anderson, back to you.
COOPER: Still a lot of details to emerge from exactly what happened inside the school. Keith Oppenheim, thanks for that.
At the center of the terrible story, of course, is a young man, a boy really, about whom very little is known at the moment, beyond the fact that he himself is dead, police say by his own hand, and that before he took his life, he took the lives of nine others.
David Mattingly gathers now the few facts there are, at this moment, about Jeff Weise. Take a look.
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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): To the public at-large, details of what drove 16-year-old Jeff Weise on a murderous rampage remains as incomplete as the understanding of the boy himself.
So far, the FBI will not confirm if this is the same Jeff Weise who identified himself last year on a neo-Nazi Web site.
TABMAN: Still could be some clues there. It's a little premature to make that determination. But we need -- we're just really open to looking at that.
MATTINGLY: Using the names "NativeNazi" and the German word for angel of death, the Jeff Weise here complained about the lack of full- blooded natives on his Red Lake reservation, because of, "cultural dominance and interracial mixing." He blamed the influence of rap music, writing, "we have kids my age killing each other over things as simple as a fight." "Things for us would improve vastly under a nationalist socialist government," he wrote. "That is why I am pro-nazi."
The idea of a young native-American being attracted to such a Web site, however, according to one expert, is not as far-fetched as you might think.
MARK POTOK, SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER: I think that it's not that uncommon. It's always the same phenomenon, which is -- these are typically people who are members of more or less oppressed minority groups, who want very much to identify with the oppressor, not the oppressed.
MATTINGLY: The Web site belongs to the Libertarian National- Socialist Green Party, which posted a statement about Weise saying, "He expressed himself well, and was clearly highly intelligent and contemplative, especially for one so young."
POTOK: This looks like a very screwed up kid who was going to explode in one way or another. You know, I think he was probably interested in all kinds of transgressive things, be that Hitler or Satan or whatever it might be.
MATTINGLY: The Minnesota newspaper "Saint Paul Pioneer Press" reports, Weise's father committed suicide and his mother is in a nursing home with injuries suffered in a traffic accident. The paper quoted unnamed relatives who said Weise was a loner and was teased by other kids.
The FBI said Weise was not living with his grandfather yesterday when the murder spree began and would not say where. Investigators are unaware of any grudge the boy may have had with the family or students at the Red Lake High School, though medical personnel dealing with the wounded say Weise's goal was clear.
DR. JOE CORSER, NORTH COUNTY REGIONAL HOSPITAL: We had a couple of injuries, close range. I think there was an intent to kill.
MATTINGLY: In Web postings attributed to Weise, he indicated he was suspected last year of threatening to shoot up the school on Hitler's birthday, something authorities have not confirmed. In fact, the FBI is unaware if Weise had any prior police record.
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MATTINGLY: According to one tribal leader tonight, Weise was not the kind of young person who attracted a lot of attention in this small, tight-knit community. But now, as an extended period of mourning is about to begin, it is clear no one here will ever now be able to forgot him -- Anderson.
COOPER: No doubt. David Mattingly, thanks.
When a crime like this happens, we tend to focus on the killer, in this case, the 16-year-old boy. But too often overlooked, we think, are the victims. So, for just a moment, we want to remember them tonight.
We wish we could show you the victims' faces. But, at the moment, we only have one photo, 15-year-old Thurlene Stillday. She was a student at Red Lake High. There were other 15-year-olds as well, Chase Lussier, Chanelle Rosebear and Dwayne Lewis. They died. They were just 15.
Alicia White was only 14. And then there were the adults at the school, Neva Rogers, 62, Derrick Brun, 28, and the alleged shooter's grandfather, Daryl Lussier, 58, and his companion, Michelle Sigana, 32.
With us now on the phone from Minnesota, Red Lake High School principal Chris Dunshee. The FBI has asked him not to give out details of the investigation. And we certainly respect that.
Principal Dunshee, we appreciate you being with us. I'm so sorry for what for you and your school have been going through.
How -- how are the students holding up?
CHRIS DUNSHEE, PRINCIPAL, RED LAKE HIGH SCHOOL: Well, as you can imagine, it's been a tough 24 hours or so. And it's been a very hard road for them.
COOPER: Have you been able to talk with students? Have you been able to share what they're going through?
DUNSHEE: No, I have not at this time.
COOPER: Have you any update on the condition of any of the wounded students?
DUNSHEE: No, I can't give out any information on that.
COOPER: Where were you when the shooting took place?
DUNSHEE: I was in an adjacent building. We were having a board meeting with the school board.
COOPER: And what did you hear?
DUNSHEE: We just had taken a break and there was indication that there had been some shooting in the high school.
COOPER: I saw the sign out front of the school, saying, no firearms allowed on the campus. Had anyone ever brought firearms in the past?
DUNSHEE: Not to my knowledge, no.
COOPER: Is there anything -- no doubt, you're looking back in your mind going through this over and over again. I mean, were there any signs, any indications of something like this possibly happening? DUNSHEE: Well, I guess, if there were, we certainly would have tried to take every precaution. You know, it's just a sad, sad tragedy.
COOPER: What do you do next? I mean, where do you go from here? How do you -- I know the school is closed. When you're faced with this situation, what do you do?
DUNSHEE: Well, I guess that's, you know, something that we'll have to sort out. We'll be getting together our school staff tomorrow and we'll be formulating some plans.
But I guess, in connection with that, I just want to send our -- the message out there to your listening audience that the outpouring of support that we have received has just been phenomenal. And we certainly appreciate all of the thoughts and prayers and support that we've been given by everybody.
COOPER: Obviously, if you had known there was something going on with this young man, obviously, you would have done something. Were there academic problems? There had been some reports that he had been teased, that he had been put on a school's homebound program because of some violations of policy.
DUNSHEE: Here again, I don't want to get into any specifics. I'm not really at liberty to speak about any of the specifics of the tragedy.
COOPER: Well, I certainly understand that. And I know it's -- well, it's an impossible time for you.
Chris Dunshee, the principal of Red Lake High, thank you very much for talking with us.
DUNSHEE: Yes.
I just want to say that the clergy, the spiritual leaders, the professional colleagues that we've spoken with, the counselors, everybody, have just been wonderful. And -- but the teachers are the real heroes here. And I just want to keep our minds and our thoughts and prayers focused on our kids right now. We need to be putting them first and trying to meet their needs. The death of a child is a death out of season. And that ages us all.
COOPER: And not just our prayers and thoughts with them tonight, but also in the days and the weeks and the months to come.
Chris Dunshee, thank you for being with us.
DUNSHEE: Well, thank you.
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COOPER (voice-over): Red Lake, Columbine, Paducah, kids killing kids. Do the shooters have anything in common? Tonight, we investigate the lives and deaths of school killers, what every parent needs to know.
She was shot point-blank in Columbine High, asked to confess her faith by a Columbine killer. Tonight, what really happened that day and how did this young woman rebuild her life?
360 continues.
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COOPER: Another school, another young man in trouble, more lives lost. Don't you feel like you've seen this story far too many times before? Paducah, Kentucky, Columbine, now Red Lake, Minnesota. It's happened enough times that experts have noticed some very disturbing patterns about the young men who walk into their schools and start to kill.
Heidi Collins takes a look at what these teen killers may have in common.
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HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Columbine, Paducah, Jonesboro, Springfield, Pearl, Santee, a list that conjures up images of screaming children, injured victims and gun-wielding kids, different towns with tragically similar stories.
What made eight young men snap and what qualities, if any, do school shooters share? According to the FBI, to there are dozens of risk factors when it comes to school violence, but there is no one definitive profile of this type of criminal. And yet, there are certain similarities in all of these cases that are hard to ignore. In each shooting, the perpetrator was white male age 11 to 18 who was described as feeling picked or bullied by his peers.
DAN KINDLON, AUTHOR, "RAISING CAIN": We allow boys to BE angry and aggressive, but we don't allow them to express fear and sadness and other more vulnerable emotions. So, hence, when they get rejected or they get disappointed, they have a harder time dealing with that. And it often comes out in anger.
COLLINS: Most of the shooters had a fascination with firearms or violent video games.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dog, I heard you got some beef with me.
COLLINS: And while there were signs or warning about their intentions, they were not taken seriously at the time.
RANDY BROWN, FATHER OF COLUMBINE STUDENT: The sheriff's department didn't respond to our reported threats by Eric Harris against our son for 13 months. Columbine would not have happened if they had investigated that to begin with.
Two of the boys, Luke Woodham and Kip Kinkel, had a history of abusing animals.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He liked any kind of weapon. They, like, tortured animals.
COLLINS: Classmates say Dylan Klebold, Eric Harris and now Jeff Weise from Red Lake, Minnesota, all wore dark trench coats and were fans of Marilyn Manson.
Kip Kinkel was a fan of Manson's music as well. And, according to the FBI, all of the shooters may have felt the desire to defend narcissistic views of themselves, but at the same time had very low self-esteem.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I guess the world is going to remember me now. I'm probably going to get pretty famous.
COLLINS: Sadly, what perhaps most unites these young men is that no one believed they were capable of committing such horrible acts. And that meant no one was able to stop them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you've seen this kid, you would just never believe something like this could happen. I've seen him every day run by my bus, and happy kid, happy-go-lucky.
COLLINS: Heidi Collins, CNN, New York.
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COOPER: What's so frustrating for parents and teachers is, plenty of touchers listen to Marilyn Manson or like guns or get picked on at school. The question is, where do you draw the line between typical teenage anger, which is scary enough in itself, I suppose, and behavior that points to a teen who is about to go off the deep end?
William Pollack knows the danger signals. He's a Harvard Medical School professor, director of the Center For Men and Young Men at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts. He's also author of the book "Real Boys: Rescuing Our Sons from the Myths of Boyhood." He joins me from Albany, New York.
Thanks very much for being with us.
Is it a mistake to look for a profile of a teen killer?
WILLIAM POLLACK, DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR MEN AND YOUNG MEN: Well, I think a profile is a mistake.
Having had the honor of working with the U.S. Department of Education and Secret Service and looking at 37 cases in the Safe School Initiative of school shooters, there are warning signs, but there are really no profiles. I mean, think about it. If we say you listen to Marilyn Manson or you wear black or you listen to funny music, that's 65 percent of all young males in America. That won't work.
But we did see warning signs about this so-called targeted violence, violence that occurs in school shootings.
COOPER: Well, you look at this home video of the boys in Columbine. They're shooting target practice before they attacked their classmates. What should a parent be watching out for?
POLLACK: Well, I think parents and school, professional and community, should be looking out -- it's mostly males, but a female could do it -- but should be looking out for a young male or a young person who has started to become a loner who has pulled back or gone in with a group of friends who has negative affects, negative feelings, who may be becoming depressed, who may be becoming suicidal.
And, believe it or not, in many of these cases, we found out that these young men actually talked about shooting someone or hurting themselves in advance, but no one took them seriously.
COOPER: Is that what separates the kids who actually might pull this off, or try this, from the kids who are just lonely or isolated? Those qualities, you said, those warning signs, kids pulling away, associating with friends who are negative, again, that's 65 percent of the kids in America. Is it talking about violence in school? I mean, is that the biggest warning sign?
POLLACK: Well, talking about violence in school should be a big red flag. Does that mean that everyone who talks about violence in school, everyone who talks about a threat really poses a threat? No. But it does mean that that person is in trouble. You see, the point of view we have to take is not just how we're going to adjudicate or stop violence, which is -- my heart goes out to these people -- but how we're going to help the kids who are in pain.
A lot of these kids may be depressed, suicidal and in pain and never want to hurt anyone, but we want to help them. The worst thing we can do is get them some help and they will get better. The best thing we can do is avert the one in 100 who may come into a school and kill someone else, sometimes out of anger but sometimes out of anguish and wishing to die themselves.
COOPER: William Pollack, appreciate you being with us. Thank you.
POLLACK: Thank you.
COOPER: A federal judge refuses to intervene in the Terri Schiavo case.
Erica Hill from Headline News joins us now, at a quarter past, with the latest.
Hey, Erica.
ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Anderson.
Yes, the case of Terri Schiavo is now before a three-judge panel at a federal appeals court in Atlanta. A small group of protesters with tape over their mouths and the word "Life" written on the tape stood outside the courthouse today. Schiavo's parents are asking the court to order the reinsertion of her feeding tube. Her husband is asking the court not to rush a decision on her fate.
Iowa's governor signed a bill today to restrict the sale of cold medicines that contained pseudoephedrine. It's a key ingredient in methamphetamines. Stores can now only sell single packages of liquid and liquid gel caps containing pseudoephedrine. And they have to keep those products locked up.
Jurors in the Michael child molestation trial heard testimony today from a comedian who befriended the family of the accuser. She said she received an extremely disturbing phone call from the boy's mother after an ABC documentary aired showing Jackson and his accuser. She says, the phone call made her think the family was being held against her will. Under cross-examination, the woman admitted she described the mother as totally bipolar to police and called the family -- quote -- "wacky as they want to be."
And an update for you now. We brought you this story last night, but now the Coast Guard investigating just what caused a sailing ship to run aground off the California coast yesterday. Rough seas and high winds knocked at least four people off the boat. Others, as you could see there, jumped into the 58-degree water. All 20 passengers were rescued. Three of them, Anderson, were treated for hypothermia.
And that is the latest from Headline News -- back to you.
COOPER: All right. That's why you should go cowboying. Just stay on land. Makes it easier.
HILL: Yes. Forgot the boat.
COOPER: All right, Erica Hill, thanks very much.
Our special report, "Massacre at Red Lake," continues. The small community is just devastated, understandably. We're going to speak to a local priest about the impact the shooting has had on this small town. Covering all the angles on this massacre.
And a little later, she was shot nine times, hit nine times in Columbine. You're going to meet a young woman who survived and is now helping other kids to prevent violence.
Our special coverage of the Red Lake massacre continues.
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COOPER: Welcome back to the special edition of 360, "Red Lake Massacre."
The details are still coming in. What we know is this. Ten people are dead, one of them a very disturbed young gunman. There are a number of families in pain tonight. Their children have been killed, their loved ones lost.
Father Pat Sullivan from Saint Mary's Mission in Red Lake has been spending times with friends and family of the victims, helping them cope, to the extent he can, and helping them say goodbye. He was at the hospital doing that until 2:00 this morning.
Father Sullivan, we appreciate you sparing some time to be with us tonight.
How -- this is probably a stupid question, but how are -- the families you've been counseling, how are they doing? How are they holding up?
FATHER PAT SULLIVAN, SAINT MARY'S MISSION: I think as good as can be expected. People have rallied and really come around to be there for one another. Families have been there. And we have a lot of extended family connections here.
A lot of our people who have been injured or those who have lost loved ones are interconnected. And they've just been gathering together, supporting one another, praying for one another, and concerned about each other and concerned about those who were injured and are still in the hospital.
COOPER: And what do you say to a parent who's lost their child or to somebody whose child has been wounded?
SULLIVAN: I don't say very much. I just try to enter into the presence and the struggle and the emptiness and the silence, and, by the grace of God. And the spirit kind of leads us.
And somebody, it might be one of the children, says something, or it might be a grandparent or a brother or sister who just speaks out a word and that word leads another to share another word. And somehow, together, in the grace of God, we're helping each other to begin that healing, as we continue and even begin to let go.
COOPER: Have people been talking about what they saw about this young man who shot these people?
SULLIVAN: A little bit of that.
I haven't spoken to anybody who actually saw anyone get shot. But I know that a number of our children who were in the school were in the mist of the shooting. I know I spent some time with one of our young students who just said, you know, the teacher got us all into a classroom. And we shut the door. And she said, I just stayed under my desk and prayed. She said, I wanted to live. I want to live. And she said, God heard my prayers. And she said, I was very happy to be with my mom and dad.
COOPER: I can certainly understand that. Are you hearing anger from students toward this young man?
SULLIVAN: I haven't heard a lot of anger, a little bit of sensing that maybe somebody might have had an inkling of what was going on. But something like this, you just don't expect. And it expects people to be able to find some other resolve with their anger and their frustrations. I don't know. COOPER: So, your sense is that some of the kids maybe had a sense something was going on with Jeff Weise, with this young man?
SULLIVAN: I believe so. Again, I haven't -- most of my time has been with the family kind of in total, and not with a lot of the youth specifically. So, I can't really respond to that. Sorry.
COOPER: Fair enough.
Where do you go from here? What do you do tomorrow? What do you do the next day? How does this community come together?
SULLIVAN: Well, one thing we've -- is that Red Lake is kind of split up into four communities. And in each of those communities, we have a community center, kind of a gathering place, where communities have gathered for a number of their family celebrations, as well as wakes and prayer.
And so those communities are going to be open. They have been staffed by local counselors and local ministers, local traditional spiritual leaders and elders. We've also had people from off the reservation who have offered to come in and assist. And so, all of those centers are open and available. So people in those communities have been gathering throughout the day and will continue to do that I know for at least another day or two. And so that's been one of the main things that we set up.
Some of our churches are open. And a number of our traditional spiritual elders are available and have gone to homes and prayed with our people, and just kind of everybody banding together and kind of listening. You know, how's so-and-so doing? And because everybody's related and connected to one another here on our reservation, there's a pretty good line of communication, because it's -- we're all mindful that we need to be working with one another.
COOPER: Well, I hope you pass along to the families you speak with the wishes, the well-wishes and the prayers of all of us. People around the country, around the world are watching this story and they're thinking an awful lot about you and about everyone else who is suffering in Red Lake tonight.
Father Sullivan, thanks for being with us.
SULLIVAN: Thank you for your prayers.
COOPER: Coming up next on this special edition of 360, the latest on the deadly school shooting. We're going to have a live update, what we know about Jeff Weise, about the 16-year-old boy accused of such a horrible, horrible crime.
Also, a victim of a school shooting speaks out, the incredible story of Missy Jenkins.
Also, stay with us for this hour-long special, "Red Lake Massacre." We're covering all the angles.
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COOPER: Welcome back. Paula Zahn is off this week. Tonight, we're presenting a 360 special: "The Red Lake Massacre." Ten people have died, including the 16-year-old gunman.
Sean Callebs is in Red Lake to update the investigation. Sean, what do we know?
CALLEBS: Well, Anderson, the FBI detailed the timeline. The way the events played out earlier today -- apparently the 16-year-old suspect first went to his grandfather's house, where he killed his grandfather and his grandfather's 32-year-old companion. Now, the grandfather was a longtime police officer on the reservation.
After the shooting there, that is when the suspect drove over to the school in the police car, bolted out of the car, went through metal detectors at the school, killed an unarmed guard and then came face-to-face with one of the teachers in the hall.
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TABMAN: Mr. Weise proceeded down the hall of the school. And down the hall, he saw a teacher and some students. The teacher, Ms. Neva Rogers, age 52. He fired some shots in their direction. Understandably, they fled and ran into a classroom. Mr. Weise continued to pursue them into the classroom. It is there that he opened fire, killing a number of students and the teacher.
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CALLEBS: After the shootings there, Weise apparently went back out into the hall, then tried to get into another classroom, and then worked his way back into the hall.
At some point during then, Anderson, he exchanged gunfire with one of the officers, ducked back into the classroom where he was initially, then took his own life.
An interesting point here: Apparently, the security cameras in the school capturing images of Weise in the hall. But we won't see those pictures, at least not for the foreseeable future. The authorities say they are not releasing that videotape, or any of what are certain to be frantic 911 calls once the shootings began -- Anderson.
COOPER: Yes, so many questions still unanswered about this young man, about exactly what happened in that school. Probably, the next couple of days, the stories will trickle out. Sean Callebs, thanks for the update.
The Red Lake massacre is the worst school attack in six years, since Columbine, which was of course the deadliest school massacre in U.S. history. Today, many of those who survived Columbine were reliving that terrible day. Tom Foreman takes us back to those chilling hours in the town of Littleton, Colorado.
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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the neat suburban neighborhoods and beautiful foothills of Littleton, six years after the shooting, Columbine is pretty much just a high school again. But when school violence strikes anywhere, it echoes here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anything that dramatic that happens, puts him back to that day.
FOREMAN: Frank DeAngelis knows it well. He was and is principal at Columbine.
FRANK DEANGELIS, COLUMBINE PRINCIPAL: The first few years, anytime I would hear a balloon pop, I would fall on the ground, because when I walked out of my office six years ago, I saw the gunmen firing shots past me.
FOREMAN: Over the course of four hours on an April morning in 1999, Columbine became the measuring stick for school violence. The day was the culmination of a brazen plot by two teenage boys to destroy the school and slaughter hundreds of people.
The gunmen failed miserably, but killed 12 students, a teacher, and themselves. And the images of the killers at work, the details of their murderous plan, the heartbreaking memorials changed the national perception of what school violence can be.
DEANGELIS: You know, the fire alarm system, I still get chills up and down my spine when that alarm goes off, because it draws me back to that morning in which we were locked or stuck in the building.
FOREMAN: The legacy of Columbine certainly reached far beyond Colorado. In the months immediately afterward, schools everywhere reviewed safety programs, counseling programs, installed video cameras, metal detectors, all possibly useful. But Jill Cook, with the American School Counselor Association, says perhaps something else is not getting enough attention.
JILL COOK, AMERICAN SCHOOL COUNSELOR ASSOCIATION: You can have a plan, a school crisis plan on paper, you can have technology in place in the school to deter violence. But when it comes right down to it, what matters is relationships.
FOREMAN (on camera): Between counselors and students, administrators and teachers, teachers and students?
COOK: Absolutely.
FOREMAN (voice-over): She suggests only one-on-one relationships can revel which students are reveling in Web sites like these, which glorify the Columbine shooters, laugh at the suffering of their victims.
(on camera): Maybe many of us do not take all of this too seriously these days, because we still think things like school shootings happen somewhere else. I know better. I lived only a few miles from Columbine high school. And even as I stood outside reporting on the killings that day, I knew people inside.
(voice-over): And so many people in Littleton did. They know the memories will never completely leave them.
DEANGELIS: Our thoughts and prayers go out to the people of Red Lake.
FOREMAN: But they also know there is healing and there are lessons that follow.
Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.
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COOPER: Well, the memories truly never leave. When it was finally over at Columbine, one of the injured students had nine pieces of bullets in her body. She survived to tell about her ordeal. I talked with Valeen Schnurr earlier today.
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COOPER: Valeen, when you heard about the shootings at Red Lake high in Minnesota, what went through your mind?
VALEEN SCHNURR, COLUMBINE SURVIVOR: More so just the hurt and the absolute fear that those people must be going through. I felt for them, I felt so horrible. I've been there, experienced the same type of situation that these -- that the other survivors, the wounded, and the families of those that have died have gone through, just absolutely horrified.
COOPER: Take us back to that day in April. You were in the library when the shooting started. What happened?
SCHNURR: We were under our tables when we heard gunshots and pipe bomb blasts in the hallway, and the hallway was filling up with smoke. And we could feel the reverberation from the pipe bombs as Eric and Dylan moved onto the cafeteria, shooting their guns, blowing their explosives, off downstairs. Then the library got really quiet. I saw two sets of footprints coming into the library. And we realized that they were in the library, and they started shooting kids and taunting kids.
COOPER: Did you know who it was at that point?
SCHNURR: There was a window out -- looking out into the hallway, and I saw their faces, but I couldn't make out who it was at the time.
COOPER: And at what point was it that you actually got shot?
SCHNURR: It was several minutes into -- while they were in the library. They finally crossed to our side of the library and shot past my friend. The gunshot blast hit me. It was one gunshot blast that I sustained nine gunshot wounds from. The blast was strong enough that it pushed me from out under the table, and I was on my hands and knees, my hands and legs covered with blood, saying, "oh, my God, don't let me die, don't let me die." And one of them, I'm not sure who it was, had asked me if I believed in God. And I said, yes. And they asked me why. And I said, because I believe, I was brought up that way. And at that point, I realized I was standing out. And I crawled back under the table and hid, and I closed my eyes, and held my breath to pretend I was dead, so that they would leave me alone. And you know, several minutes later, they left the library.
COOPER: And under the table with you, your friend Lauren. She didn't survive?
SCHNURR: No, she didn't. It's been something that's very difficult on a daily basis. You deal with that survivors guilt, why did she have to die and I survived.
COOPER: And how do you answer that? I mean, do you -- I guess there's not any answer for that?
SCHNURR: There really isn't. You can ask yourself until you're blue in the face and you'll never have the answers that you look for. And that's why I hope with the people in Red Lake, there's going to be a lot of unanswered questions, why did this boy decide to do this? And there's just so many unanswered questions.
COOPER: You had a long road to recovery, both emotionally and physically, obviously. You want the kids and the parents in Red Lake to know that really, they're not alone, that there are people out there who are watching and care about what's going on.
SCHNURR: I think that is so important. You know, most people hopefully will never understand the type of fear and sadness that these people will have to go through, but they are going through it, and they need our support, they need our help. They need our prayers. And you know, I'm just hoping that we'll all be able to come together as a nation and really support these families.
COOPER: Our support and our prayers not just now but obviously in the months and even the years ahead. Because this thing doesn't go away.
SCHNURR: Yes. They've got a long road ahead. They have a long road ahead.
COOPER: I know it's been a long road for you, and I appreciate you being on to talk about it tonight to talk about it. Thank you very much.
SCHNURR: No, thank you very much for letting me come and talk.
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COOPER: There are so many angles on this story to cover. Next on this special edition of 360, we're going to look at bullies in the hallways. Is it more serious than kid's play, and is it pushing some kids, maybe your kids, over the edge? Find out if your child is being bullied, what to look for. And a little later, your viewer e-mail. We're getting tons of e- mail about this story. Send us your thoughts right now. Log onto CNN.com/360 and click on the instant feedback link.
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COOPER: Welcome back to the special edition of 360, the Red Lake massacre. Among the deadliest high school shootings was one of the most baffling, in 1997 in Paducah, Kentucky, where Michael Carneal, a 14-year-old freshman, opened fire on a student prayer circle.
He killed three students. When police asked him why, he said he didn't know. He pleaded guilty but mentally ill, and he got life in prison.
Missy Jenkins was one of five students wounded that day. She's 23 now, partially paralyzed from her injuries and determined to prevent future violence by working with violent kids. She joins me now from Paducah.
Missy, thanks very much for being with us. I want to go back to that day. What do you remember happening when the shooting began?
MISSY JENKINS, SCHOOL SHOOTING VICTIM: We were in a prayer circle. There was probably about 30 or 40 of us that would get in the prayer circle together every morning before school. And that morning was like on any other morning that I had ever been at school.
Right after we said amen, he pulled a .22 out of his backpack and started shooting at us.
COOPER: And did you know him? I mean, had you seen him a lot?
JENKINS: Yes, I did know him. Health High School is a very small school. There's probably about 600 kids that went there. I graduated with 138, or something like that. And so I knew him. I knew just about everybody.
COOPER: Does it make any -- I mean time has passed. Does it make any more sense to you now than it did back then?
JENKINS: No, it doesn't. It's something that -- it's been happening so much. When it happened to me, it was almost -- one of the first ones that happened. And now, having to watch it happen over and over again, it's just reliving it over and over again. It's just a senseless thing.
And these kids are bringing guns to school, thinking that it's going to make their life better, that it's going to change things, make things good for them. But it's not. They're going to jail, and they're ruining people's lives.
COOPER: And what -- I mean, you work with kids. You work with teens trying to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. I mean, what have you learned from listening to these kids? JENKINS: Well, you know, I've learned a lot. I've learned that, you know, some of these kids that do these things are bullied. They're made fun of.
I never realized that the boy at my school was made fun of and he was. He was made fun of a lot. And he thought that bringing a gun to school would show everybody how serious he was and how, you know, he could do something for himself.
COOPER: And what was he -- why was he being made fun of?
JENKINS: I think it was because he was different, because he was somebody that was like a class clown. He liked to make people laugh and just do -- some people liked his humor and some people didn't, didn't like his humor. So I think that he was never taken seriously. And he felt if he brought a gun to school, he would be taken seriously.
COOPER: I know he tried to contact you. He tried to, I think, even phone you from prison. You don't want to hear from him. You don't want to have any communication with him?
JENKINS: Well, for me, I think that if I -- I wouldn't be able to get past it if that was to happen. But I did forgive him for what he did to me.
But the reason why I did was more myself, not for him, but for me. Because I knew being angry at him and hating him was not going to make me walk again. It wasn't going to bring back anybody that died that morning, and it wasn't going to change what happened. So I chose to forgive him, but for me, for what he did to me, for paralyzing me.
COOPER: Well, I know you're engaged to be married. Congratulations. I know you're going to get married in 2006.
JENKINS: Yes, thank you. Yes.
COOPER: And a happy event. And you're doing great work, and we really admire you and appreciate you being with us tonight. Thank you.
JENKINS: Thank you.
COOPER: Well, our special coverage of this Red Lake massacre continues in a moment. But first, let's get you up to date on the other stories making headlines right now. For that, we go to Headline News' Erica Hill.
Hey, Erica.
HILL: Hi again, Anderson.
It turns out the cost to mail a letter or bill may be going up. I know it seems like it just happened, but the post master general now recommending a five to six percent increases on all postal services beginning next year. He says the money is needed to cover contributions to the postal service's civil service retirement account. So that means a first class postage stamp, instead of 37, would set you back 39 cents.
Prince Ranier of Monaco is in intensive care. His children rushed to be at his bedside. He was hospitalized two weeks ago with a chest infection. Ranier has been in poor health in recent years.
Five construction workers were injured in Frame, West Virginia, today when the roof of a church they were building collapsed. None of the injuries is life-threatening. Officials say one truss fell, creating a domino effect that caused the entire structure to come down.
And some spectacular video for you now of a truck crash in Seattle, thanks to security cameras in Pioneer Square there. A truck flipped over, plowed into some parked cars on Sunday. Here it is again. It turns out the brakes on the truck -- check that out -- the brakes had failed.
Witnesses say the driver, though, is a real hero because he managed to avoid pedestrians and a loaded bus. In fact, the truck driver was the only one hurt, with just some minor cuts and bruises, which is absolutely amazing -- Anderson.
COOPER: He was able to have the presence of mind to do that. Erica, thanks.
Three-sixty next, our special report continues. If you're a parent watching, we're going to be talking about what you need to be looking for if your kid is being bullied. A lot of times principals may not take bullying all that seriously. We'll tell you why they should.
Also tonight, the e-mails continue to come in on this story and the Terri Schiavo story. We'll read what you have to say ahead.
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COOPER: Already there are rumblings that Jeff Weise was bullied before going on a shooting rampage at Red Lake High School in Minnesota. It wouldn't be surprising. Bullying has been blamed for triggering other school shootings. Not just the usual teasing. We're talking about constant harassment, extreme cruelty.
Jodee Blanco understands that. She wrote "The New York Times" best seller, "Please Stop Laughing at Me." After a childhood plagued by taunting and physical abuse, Jodee Blanco even tried to take a weapon to school at one point. She joins me now from Chicago.
Jodee, thanks for being with us.
You know, a lot of kids are teased and bullied at school. They don't take a gun or a knife to school and start killing their classmates. What kind of experiences can drive an otherwise good kid to retaliation? JODEE BLANCO, AUTHOR, "PLEASE STOP LAUGHING AT ME": It's the subtle forms of bullying. It's when a group of kids who all the adults adore in the school single out someone who's different for whatever reason.
They let that kid eat alone at lunch. They let him walk to class alone. They -- they roll their eyes as they pass him in the halls. That subtle torment makes the kid feel as if they're a mistake, and that rage can become deadly.
COOPER: You've spoken, I know, to young Native Americans about the issue of bullying. You speak to kids a lot. Is there anything unique that you learned about this specific group of kids?
BLANCO: Yes, Anderson. One of the things I learned speaking to Native American communities was that many of them are already esteem impaired to begin with, because there's such prejudice and stigma with the Native American community, a stigma they don't deserve. So they feel, in some ways, persecuted by mainstream society.
So there's already a volatility factor beneath the surface that these kids in this community so don't deserve to be experiencing.
COOPER: Let's talk about warning signs for parents who are out there, that their child might be a victim of school bullying. Because a lot of times, kids, I think, are afraid to talk to their parents about them. What are some of the warning signs?
BLANCO: The warning signs: lethargy, inexplicable fits of rage, sudden change in grades, either an increase or a decrease, looking for excuses to get out of school, faking sickness. Those are the most typical signs that a kid is being badly bullied at school.
COOPER: And what does a parent do about it?
BLANCO: Well, for one thing, they need to be compassionate. A lot of times, you have a kid who's being bullied, and so they act out in negative behaviors and they get punished. And so all you're doing is making an angry kid angrier. And we see what happens when the system makes an angry kid angrier.
They need to find an alternative social outlet for the kid, through the YMCA or the park district, where they can make knew friends outside of school.
If they want to take the child to a therapist, that's great. But attend the first few sessions with your child so your child feels that you're addressing the problem together, as opposed to he or she is the problem.
COOPER: You know, I was just thinking about the warning signs that you were talking about. Appearance change, lethargy, fits of rage. I mean, again, those are things that just about every kid exhibits at some point through their teenage years. I mean, I think I still exhibit a couple of those warning signs. I mean, how does a parent see the difference between -- you know, differentiate between what's serious and real and what's, you know, part of the whole process of growing up?
BLANCO: Sometimes you can't differentiate. But I can tell every parent in this audience, if your child is exhibiting any of these signs, take it seriously and engage curiosity.
I say this to teachers and principals across America, too: be curious. If a child is upset, if a child is angry, if a child is depressed, ask questions. Be compassionate and curious.
And also the bullies. Bullies are bleeding, too. Kids don't tease other kids because they're cruel. They do it to fit in. They don't realize they're hurting them. And my message is always to kids at school it's not just joking around.
And parents and teachers have to be aware and be curious. You can't just let it go and assume it's OK. If a child is hurting, questions need to be asked. Things need to be done.
COOPER: Very well said. Jodee Blanco, appreciate you being with us. Thank you.
BLANCO: Thank you.
COOPER: Time now to check in with Larry King, see what's ahead at the top of the hour. Larry, what do you have tonight?
LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": Anderson, we're five minutes away and we have the first live prime-time interview with Rick Warren, author of "The Purpose Driven Life." That was the No. 1 best- seller that faded after awhile and then suddenly the Ashley Smith story burgeoned him back into the headlines. His first appearance is with us in now 4 1/2 minutes from right now. Rick Warren, with phone calls -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Larry, thanks. We'll be watching.
360 next, the special edition continues. The reality of the nightmare in Red Lake. We'll take the tragedy and the shock to the "Nth Degree."
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COOPER: And now the time of the night where we check on some of your e-mails. A lot of you have been writing about the Red Lake school killings.
Jason from Orlando, Florida, writes, "I'm tired of everybody blaming teen violence on video games and Marilyn Manson. We don't blame bad drivers on bumper cars and carnival rides. The truth is if the parents of these kids paid them more attention and were involved in their lives, these incidents could probably have been averted."
And Derek from Sacramento writes, "Bullying in schools is by far the greatest single contributor to this problem. I'm nearly 50, and I clearly remember being bullied when I was in high school. I was incredibly angry about it then and because of a turbulent family and an abusive father, it's a miracle I didn't kill someone myself then."
If you've got something on your mind, send us e-mail. Just go onto CNN.com/360, click on the instant feedback link.
And finally, tonight, taking a shocking breach to the "Nth Degree."
We think of certain places as being protected from violence, really, and protected from calamity, as if by nature itself, nature in the form of ancient taboos, that no one would ever dear to break. There's a kind of invisible cordon around such places, we think, a magical boundary strong enough to keep all evil at bay.
That's why the news with which we've been grappling these last two days, especially these last two hours, comes as such an appalling shock.
Even after Columbine, even after Paducah, Kentucky, even after all those other places we all now can name, still, word of such a thing happening in a school, word of the murder of children by someone himself still a child and of teachers and others who are protectors of children. Word of such an event is almost unbearable. It's like a bomb landing on a hospital or an artillery shell on a house of worship. It is so completely and awfully unjust that truly it takes our breath away.
For wrong to triumph in the very place that children go to be taught what is right, that truly is the stuff of nightmares.
Thanks very much for watching this special two-hour edition of 360. We'll be back tomorrow at 7 p.m. Eastern Time with another two- hour edition of 360. Paula Zahn is on vacation all this week.
CNN's prime time line up continues now with "LARRY KING LIVE." Good night.
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