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Possible Attempt on President's Life; Illinois Girl's Father Charged in Murder
Aired May 10, 2005 - 19:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST, "ANDERSON COOPER 360": We're going to begin tonight with breaking news: did somebody throw a grenade at President Bush when he was in the former Soviet republic of Georgia? That, and more stories coming up next. 360 starts now.
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(voice-over): Best friends, they played together, rode bikes together, went to school together, and, found murdered together. Tonight, breaking news. The father of one of the slain girls charged with the brutal killings.
Unsolved mystery; six dead in California. Tonight, going "Beyond the Headlines." 360 M.D. Dr. Sanjay Gupta and real life CSI, how the dead reveal their secrets.
Prince Harry hitting the headlines again, this time for allegedly cheating on an art exam. Tonight, a 360 look at the laundry list of bad press plaguing the 20-year-old who is becoming the bad boy prince.
Hundreds of thousands suffer from pain every day, but what is the best remedy? Could prayer be an effective painkiller? Coming up, how patients and doctors are using the power of prayer to ease the pain.
And a baby, born with severe facial deformities. The mother said Teflon is to blame, but DuPont says no way. Tonight, 360 investigates a contaminated community and the effects of what some are calling the silent killer.
Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.
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COOPER: And, good evening. Thanks for joining us again.
We begin tonight with breaking news. Reports out of the country of Georgia that a grenade may have been thrown at President Bush during his visit there. We go to the White House now for the latest from Elaine Quijano. Elaine, what do we know?
ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN CORRESPONDENT, WHITE HOUSE: Well, Anderson, the Secret Service says that several hours after President Bush left the country of Georgia, they, the Secret Service, were informed of an incident, and that report came to them from security authorities in the country of Georgia. They said that earlier today, as President Bush was speaking in Tbilisi, Georgia, delivering some remarks there, a device that has been described as a hand grenade was thrown within 100 feet of where the president was speaking. Now, the device, according to the report, hit an individual, fell to the ground, and was recognized by a Georgian security officer who picked it up and took it away from the scene reportedly.
Now, the Secret Service says that it has agents, as well as the FBI, the State Department, and host country authorities all looking into this report. White House officials, who traveled with President Bush, are simply referring all inquiries to the Secret Service, but, of course, Anderson, still a lot of unanswered questions out there, namely, why the Secret Service wasn't told about this at the time that this reportedly happened. But the Secret Service saying they were only notified a couple of hours after President Bush left the country of Georgia.
COOPER: Elaine, we were just seeing some video of the president speaking in Georgia. It's really a huge crowd of people. Is that where the grenade was found, during that -- during that time?
QUIJANO: Yes. We are told by the Secret Service that it was at the time President Bush was actually delivering remarks, that he was actually speaking in Tbilisi on stage, that this device came within 100 feet of where the -- President Bush was on the stage, or, it came within 100 feet of the stage itself at the time that President Bush was there.
Again, they say that it was recognized by a Georgian security officer who took it away from the scene, but they -- only learning about this apparently -- they only learned about this, apparently, a couple of hours after President Bush left Georgia.
COOPER: Interesting, because, if memory serves me correctly, the U.S. Secret Service actually helped train some of the Georgian president's security, at least under Eduard Shevardnadze. So, interesting that there doesn't seem to have been that level of communication on the ground at the time that this grenade was allegedly found.
Elaine Quijano, following the story, we'll check in with you a little bit later. This is a developing story we will be following later tonight as well.
We turn you now to Zion, Illinois, where for two days the residents have known there was a murderer somewhere in their midst. Well, they learned the awful truth yesterday morning when two little girls, eight-year-old Laura Hobbs and nine-year-old Krystal Tobias, were found horribly murdered in a park not far from their homes and the elementary school they both attended. Now, the two were friends, and they had disappeared on Mother's Day. Then, just about 90 minutes ago, in its way, an even more horrible piece of news, the naming of a suspect.
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MICHAEL WALKER, LAKE COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: Today we are filing two counts of first degree murder against Jerry Branton Hobbs III of Zion. He's charged with the stabbing and beating death of both girls which occurred on Mother's Day.
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COOPER: Well, in case you didn't realize that Jerry Hobbs, of course, is the father of eight-year-old Laura Hobbs, one of the murdered girls.
The people of the community are digesting the news, perhaps comforted by knowing a suspect has been arrested, or perhaps just horrified at who that suspect is. From CNN's Jonathan Freed, now, the story of a traumatized town.
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JONATHAN FREED, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Nine-year-old Cristela Florek used to play with her best friend on this hammock.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just think about Krystal next to you.
FREED: But Krystal Tobias is never coming over to play again. Cristela and her family are wrestling with their emotions.
DORA FLOREK, CRISTELA'S MOTHER: (INAUDIBLE) a full circle. It just hit me. I was so sick I couldn't get out of bed. Every time I tried to get out of bed I thought I was going to faint.
FREED: The Floreks say losing Krystal is like a death in their own family.
(on camera): So, Krystal lived where? On the other side of this school?
DORA FLOREK: Yes, on the other side of the school.
DAN FLOREK, CRISTELA'S FATHER: Yes, directly on the other side.
FREED: They used to watch Krystal cross the field behind their house on her way home, to make sure she was safe.
Are you guys angry about what's happened, or are you too sad to even feel anything else right now?
DAN FLOREK: The anger is starting to build.
DORA FLOREK: Yes.
DAN FLOREK: I think, emotionally, the sadness is taking a huge toll on us, where we couldn't feel anger, but not like some people are -- right away were enraged. But I get more -- more mad every time we talk, more and more about it.
FREED: Dora is grappling with guilt because her family wasn't home on Sunday afternoon when neighbors say they saw Krystal and Laura playing on the hammock, waiting to see if Cristela would come outside. DORA FLOREK: That's why I told him, if she would have been OK, she would have been alive. (INAUDIBLE)
FREED: Cristela has a reminder of Krystal, a scrapbook they were making in Girl Scouts, where Krystal pasted a picture of her best friend, Cristela. A simple scrapbook, now turned into something precious, something Cristela wants to finish for both of them.
So what have you guys been telling your own kids? What have you been telling Cristela?
DORA FLOREK: She is not going nowhere. I mean, not even in the backyard by herself. We are just going to watch her like a hawk.
FREED: For now, the family knows it needs to grieve, but hopes the pain will pass quickly.
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(on camera): Anderson, there's a lot of grieving going on in this community. A town meeting is happening right now here at Central Junior High School right here in Zion. Family members of students at the schools affected, and the school affected, as well as anybody else who wants to attend, are invited here to talk about possibilities for grief counseling.
I did speak to the superintendent of the local school district here just a short while ago and she told me she thinks that perhaps the numbers won't be quite as great as originally expected now that, just 90 minutes ago, the police announced that suspect had been arrested. Anderson?
COOPER: And, for our viewers who are just joining us, that suspect is Jerry Hobbs, the father of one of the murdered girls. Jonathan Freed, thanks very much.
We hope you will stay tuned this evening after 360. Paula Zahn is going to have some very important advice for parents on what we all need to do to keep children safe.
In Liberty, Missouri, tonight, there is still concern over the well-being of some children there. Twenty-three of its school children were injured yesterday when the school bus, in which they were riding, ran into two cars at an intersection. Now, the impact was so violent, the drivers of the two cars were both killed. In Liberty, now, the job is tending to the wounds of the young, emotional wounds, as much as physical ones.
CNN Correspondent Ed Lavandera reports.
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LINDA WANSING, MICHAEL'S MOTHER: Look!
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The get-well wishes keep coming to the Wansing's home in Liberty, Missouri. Seven-year-old Michael is recovering from a concussion he suffered in Monday's school bus crash. The headaches and nightmares haven't gone away yet.
L. WANSING: Last night he kind of had some emotional issues when he went to -- trying to go to sleep, thinking he was back on the bus.
LAVANDERA: Michael was sitting in the middle of the bus as it careened through this busy intersection.
L. WANSING: One of the other children seemed to think that he might have, you know, flown to the other side, straight across, into that seat.
LAVANDERA: The impact was so severe Michael came out of his shoe.
L. WANSING: And, when I found him, he had one shoe on and one shoe off. So, I have no clue where the other shoe is at.
LAVANDERA: But, despite Monday's accident, Michael's parents aren't convinced seat belts would've helped, and they're not ready to demand that Liberty School District put seat belts it its buses.
CRAIG WANSING, MICHAEL'S FATHER: You know, I believe that -- and I still do. I mean, yesterday didn't change my belief, I mean, I -- the bus system here in Liberty is as safe as I have known it to be in -- and expect it to be. We never had a problem with it.
LAVANDERA: But Liberty's superintendent says after Monday's crash the district will look at outfitting its buses with seat belts.
SCOTT TAVEAU, LIBERTY SCHOOL DISTRICT SUPERINTENDENT: We will do everything that we can do for student safety, and if the consensus of the experts says that seat belts on school buses is the best way to go, then we'll do everything that we can do to make that come about.
LAVANDERA: Around the country, some school districts have gone through the expense of equipping buses with safety belts. Opponents say it's too expensive to equip buses that are already considered to be safe, and that in some cases, belts could cause more severe injuries.
(on camera): The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says school buses are the safest way for kids to get to school. Last year, they say five children died in school bus accidents, compared to 800 who were killed walking, biking or riding in a car with their own parents.
(voice-over): The Wansings say they are doing their own research, but so far haven't seen anything to change their minds.
C. WANSING: It's got to be cost-warranted. I mean, if I only gain, you know, 1 percent more safety, and it costs me, you know, a ton of bucks in my tax dollars in order to make that happen, you know, then maybe it's not worth that cost benefit.
L. WANSING: You got what you want. OK? Let's go out to the car. LAVANDERA: Michael Wansing is on his way to the doctor's office for a check-up, but he knows very soon, he'll be on a bus headed back to school.
Ed Lavandera, CNN, Liberty, Missouri.
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COOPER: Well, it is certainly a tragedy any time a child is injured or, God forbid, killed in a bus accident, but we do want to keep school bus safety in perspective. Ed Lavandera touched on it in his piece, but here is a little bit more. A recent study from the Department of Transportation found that students are nearly eight times safer riding in a school bus than they are riding in a car.
Coming up next tonight on 360, mystery in California. Police discover six bodies at a rural home. Our 360 MD Sanjay Gupta goes "Beyond the Headlines," how forensic clues could help police catch the killer.
And Prince Harry courting controversy again? No more Nazi outfits at parties. The question tonight, was he cheating on his art exam? One of his former teachers says yes.
And later, faith and healing. Is prayer the best medicine? A new study sorts it out. You'll be surprised at the results. The power of prayer.
All that ahead tonight. But first, part of our 25th anniversary, the category "CNN" is featured every day this week on the game show "Jeopardy." Now, you don't have to be a "Jeopardy" champion like I am to play. Here's a "Jeopardy" 360 challenge. We're going to give you the answer when we come back.
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ALEX TREBEK, HOST, "JEOPARDY": A jury verdict handed down in this California Valley city sparked the devastation seen here in Los Angeles more than 30 miles away.
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TREBEK: A jury verdict handed down in this California Valley city sparked the devastation seen here in Los Angeles more than 30 miles away. Michael.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is Simi Valley.
TREBEK: Yes.
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COOPER: Ah, "Jeopardy."
Well, there was a gruesome discovery in California today. Police found the bodies of three children and three adults inside a home about 100 miles southeast of Los Angeles. The property belongs to an investigator working in the office of the Riverside County District Attorney. The sheriff says all the victims had trauma to the head.
In cases like these, forensic experts are all over the crime scene, using the latest research in criminal forensics to try to help solve the crime. Because while the dead cannot talk, their bodies speak volumes. Now we warn you that some of the images you are about to see in this next piece are graphic. 360 MD Sanjay Gupta continues his "CSI" series now on a place where the dead not only talk, but teach.
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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Razor wire. Two locked gates. About 100 corpses. This is the University of Tennessee's Research Center, known as the body farm. It's the only place in the world devoted to studying human decay. Donated bodies are wrapped in plastic, laid on the earth, put under concrete, and buried in shallow graves.
Arpad Vass has been studying human decomposition for 16 years. He's on a mission to help law enforcement pinpoint time since death.
DR. ARPAD VASS, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE: Decomposition can be used to answer four of the five W's that need to be answered at a crime scene. That is who, what, when, where and why. The only thing decomposition can't help answer is why.
GUPTA: Vass, who used to place the bodies face down so he didn't have to see the faces, now sees more than just a cadaver. Now, the bacteria and enzymes in the cells talk to him and help him give the dead a voice.
VASS: We can still determine how long this person has been dead, up to about plus or minus a week, based on just looking at this material right here.
GUPTA: He has also studied the chemicals emitted by the body, and has used in-grave dental cameras to document how the body decomposes.
Back in the lab, Vass brain-storms novel ways to help police find a body.
VASS: Flies can locate decomposing remains for up to three miles away.
GUPTA: Cue the fly on a leash, attaching a tiny transmitter to a flesh-eating fly, and letting it free. Inspired by crop dusters, police may one day spray a field with chemicals to make the soil glow above a hidden grave. VASS: It's a 100-acre field, a huge search area. And we know from the research we have done that these bodies will have volatile compounds from the decompositional process come up through the soil into the surface.
GUPTA: Vass and research scientist Rob Smith are also creating an electronic nose to sniff out the dead by tracking the odors a decaying body creates.
What would such a corpse sniffer look like?
ROB SMITH, RESEARCH SCIENTIST: Perhaps have a snout that would extend, that you could search close to the ground, which is where a lot of the heavy vapors settle.
GUPTA: While dreaming up new ways to help police, Vass dreams of a day when they can find a body almost instantly, keeping evidence intact and speeding up the time it takes to track a killer.
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GUPTA: And Anderson, they don't talk about the exact time of death. That's really fictitious. What they really talk about is time since death. Couple of things to keep in mind here. Body temperature obviously is going to fall. That's one of the first clues in trying to determine the time since death, but also something known as rigor mortis. Everybody knows the stiffening of the body as it passes, you're talking about first the face tightens up, then the limbs, then the rest of the body. That entire process takes about 12 hours.
Some gruesome images there as you mentioned, Anderson, but important to try and study some of this stuff.
COOPER: Absolutely. All right, Sanjay, you're going to join us a little bit later with a fascinating look at the power of prayer in modern medicine. That's a little bit later on 360.
Also coming up next, the latest from the White House on President Bush's security scare during his travels to the country of Georgia. Did someone throw a grenade at the president? One was found about 100 feet from where he was standing.
Plus, remember when Prince Harry was the cute little redhead? So innocent, sweet-looking? Well, not so much anymore. Some say allegations are swirling that he may have cheated on some art exams. One of his teachers is making the claim. We'll give you the details ahead.
And as we go to break, another 360 "Jeopardy" challenge as CNN celebrates its 25th anniversary. The answer when we come back.
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ALEX TREBEK, HOST, JEOPARDY: The lieutenant colonel seen here is about to testify about his time on this government body from 1981 to 1986. (END VIDEO CLIP)
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TREBEK: The lieutenant colonel seen here is about to testify about his time on this government body from 1981 to 1986.
Correct response, what is the NSC. Sorry, Michael, not quickly enough. The National Security Council.
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COOPER: Well, Britain's Prince Harry just cannot hit the headlines for the right reasons. Today the Prince's art teacher at Eton College accused the third in line to the British thrown of cheating. The school and prince deny the charges. And the college claims the teacher said nothing about the allegations until after she'd been fired. Paula Hancocks has tonight's "World in 360."
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PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): An eight-year- old Prince Harry inspecting the troops with his mother, the late Princess Diana, and playing soldiers with the real thing. Twelve years later, the games become reality. The controversy is never far behind the prince. As his career at the prestigious military academy Sandhurst begins, media attention lingers on whether or not he cheated on an art exam a couple of years earlier.
Harry's former art teacher, Sarah Forsyth, claims artwork submitted for his final school exam was completed by the head of the art department of Eton, a claim rejected by the school and the royal family. Just the latest in a long list of embarrassing P.R. disaster for the prince. Few people have forgotten his scuffle with a member of the paparazzi outside a London nightclub seven months ago. Another photo that hawked the front pages, the prince wearing a Nazi uniform to a friend's fancy dress party in January of this year. Not to mention countless tabloid shots of the prince after allegedly having enjoyed a drink or two.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the press quite liked the idea of Harry being -- having a bad boy image. It's good to have a playboy prince which dominates the tabloid media in Britain. But in truth, he doesn't really cause bad publicity, but he's always out enjoying himself where the paparazzi are on the streets taking photographs.
HANCOCKS: But there's unlikely to be any of that kind of behavior at Sandhurst. Cadets are allowed very limited contact with the outside for the first five weeks of intensive training.
GEN. ANDREW RITCHIE, SANDHURST COMMANDANT: We say here, that many of the cadets who turn up have been used to working for four hours a day and sleeping for 20. And our aim is generally to reverse that cycle. RICHARD FITZWILLIAMS, ROYAL COMMENTATOR: Harry will get no special treatment at Sandhurst. He'll come out tougher. I hope, most sincerely, after recent mistakes that he comes out wiser, too.
HANCOCKS: He may be a British prince and he may be third in line for the thrown, but for the foreseeable future academy officials say Harry will not answer to the title of prince, simply Officer Cadet Wales.
Paula Hancock, CNN, London.
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COOPER: Coming up next on 360, an update on our breaking news tonight. A security scare for President Bush. Get the latest in a live report from the White House. And we're going to talk to a former Secret Service agent.
Plus, hundreds of thousands suffer from pain every day. Could prayer be an effective painkiller. We're going to meet a cancer patient who has turned to the power of pray to ease the pain.
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COOPER: I want to go back tonight to our top story. Breaking news out of the country of Georgia, where there are reports that a grenade may have been thrown at President Bush during his visit there.
Let's head back to the White House, now, to get the very latest from Elaine Quijano.
Elaine, what do you know?
ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hello to you, Anderson.
I just got off the phone with Jim Mackin, a U.S. Secret Service spokesman, giving me a little bit more information. Now, apparently the Secret Service agents on the ground in Georgia have not themselves yet had a look at the actual device in question. Now all of this stemming from a report given to the Secret Service, a couple of hours after President Bush actually left Tbilisi, Georgia. The Secret Service, saying they were notified by host country security authorities of an incident, described as a -- device described as hand grenade apparently being thrown within 100 feet of the stage during President Bush's speech that you see there.
Now, according to Mackin, according to this report, this device hit an individual, fell to the ground, was recognized by a Georgian security officer who reportedly picked it up and took it away, according to this report. Now, Mackin says that the Secret Service, as well as the FBI, the State Department, and Georgian authorities, are all working to further look into this particular report.
The White House -- White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card was asked about this as the president returned here to the White House a short time ago -- referring all inquiries to the Secret Service. But, the information we have from the Secret Service -- that their folks on the ground there, apparently still there, because of President Bush's visit there, that they had still been in the area when the Secret Service was notified about this. They have not actually taken a look and seen this device for themselves. Anderson?
COOPER: All right, Elaine Quijano, thanks very much for the update.
With me on the phone, now, from Pompano Beach, Florida, is Joseph Lasorsa, a former Secret Service agent who was assigned to protect President Bush.
Joseph, appreciate you being with us. It's being reported, the grenade was thrown. Georgian security spotted it, removed it without incident. It didn't go off. Is that normal protocol for a situation like this, to pick a grenade and move it away?
JOSEPH LASORSA, FMR SECRET SERVICE AGENT (VIA TELEPHONE): The answer is, not normally. Normally, in a situation like this, the explosive device would be left where it was, and you would move the people away from the explosive device. But, not knowing the exact circumstances, more than likely this was a very heroic act on the part of that Georgian security official. He probably made an immediate, split-second decision, probably saving someone's life, if in fact it was a real grenade, but more than likely, from the sounds of the report, it was a facsimile item, a facsimile grenade, probably perpetrated for attention or the disruptive effect it would have on the event.
COOPER: We're seeing pictures, Joseph, of the actual event. It was said the grenade was about a hundred feet where the president was standing. The Secret Service is reportedly saying they were informed by this only after President Bush had left the country. Who makes the decision on whether to inform the guest when an incident like this has occurred, when you are traveling overseas?
LASORSA: Well, in most cases, decisions to inform would be done at a higher level, at the supervisory level, but not knowing the exact circumstances this man -- the security official may have immediately realized he had a facsimile item. It might have been a cast iron replica and just eliminated it from the event site, and when they realized they didn't have a threat, just at that point, let things subside.
But not knowing the circumstances, one really can't pass judgment on their actions.
COOPER: I know in the past, Georgia helped -- the U.S. helped train, I think, the Secret Service helped train the -- Eduard Shevardnadze, the former president of Georgia's security detail. At an event like this, where, I mean, Georgia has had assassinations in the past, they have ongoing military conflicts, and we're seeing this huge crowd -- that whole crowd didn't go through metal detectors, correct? LASORSA: I wouldn't know. I would assume they did. Usually their -- the security in the Soviet -- well, at least the old Soviet Bloc nations, but I'm sure the same has transcended in the Russian countries. Usually their security is conducted at fairly high level.
COOPER: So they have a pretty good internal security forces?
LASORSA: I would venture to say that they probably passed their -- the crowd through magnetometers, and they probably adhered to the majority of the Secret Service requirements.
COOPER: I assume there's going to be more investigations now, most likely handled by the host country. How will this work?
LASORSA: Well, I'm sure they are going to handle the investigation internally, and they more than likely will share that information. But the law enforcement authorities of the host nation are the ones being in controll. They are in charge, and it will be in their hands.
COOPER: Joseph Lasorsa, appreciate you joining us. Thank you very much. Former Secret Service agent...
LASORSA: My pleasure.
COOPER: ...under President Ronald Reagan.
360 next, turning to prayer to ease the pain. A cancer patient shares how her faith is making her stronger.
Also ahead tonight, a massive ice raft. Find out why this glacier is being covered up.
And a little later, name this baby. She is one-and-a-half years old and her parents still don't know what to call her. You are not going to believe this story, and you are going to get a chance to help them out, maybe. We'll be right back.
Before we go to break, another 360 Jeopardy challenge as we celebrate CNN's anniversary. The answer when we come back.
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TREBEK: This area was a toxic dump for over a decade before it was developed for homes and a school.
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TREBEK: This area was a toxic dump for over a decade before it was developed for homes and a school. Brad?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is Love Canal? TREBEK: Yes.
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COOPER: Well, anyone who has ever been in a serious pain situation will not be surprised by this statistic: in a "USA Today"/ABC News/Stanford University Medical Center poll released just yesterday, half of those who were asked said they had used prayer to control their pain. What may be surprising, though, is how well that remedy seems to actually work. A case in point from 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta.
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GUPTA: It had been 50 years since 61-year-old Kate Williams had been to church or even knelt down to pray. Then she was diagnosed with cancer.
KATE WILLIAMS, CANCER PATIENT: I felt so empty. I needed something to grab on to, something to hold on to, that would take me through this.
GUPTA: Now, after all these years, Kate trusts faith toward off her cancer as ardently as she does her treatments, and it could be working for her.
WILLIAMS: God is in me. God is taking care of me.
GUPTA: Studies show religious involvement appears to have health benefits including reducing anxiety, depression and substance abuse, and increasing longevity. Still, those associations are, admittedly, vague. For patients like Kate, a more important question remains. Can something as intangible as faith help treat the ravages of cancer? Studies show prayer, meditation, and other calming practices like yoga, ward off stress, which can exacerbate conditions like cancer. They also activate a measurable relaxation response in the brain.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's decreased blood pressure, heart rate, rate of breathe.
GUPTA: And so many doctors agree that faith is essential to healing. Still others believe that raising patient's expectations could do more harm than good.
DR. HERBERT BENSON, MIND BODY INSTITUTION: To say what we can do for ourselves, and what medicine can do for us are separate and can work alone is a mistake. They must be balanced.
GUPTA: Kate Williams says her faith gives her solace and a strength she wouldn't possess on her own.
WILLIAMS: I still don't know if I'm cancer free. I feel that I am. But I also feel that whatever happens I'm going to be fine.
GUPTA: Old fashioned faith could be a new elixir.
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COOPER: Well, Sanjay, you're a man of science, and a neurologist, how can you explain that prayer might affect pain? How is that possible?
GUPTA: Well, I think there's a couple of things here. First of all, it does seem to invoke the relaxation response. And the relaxation response is sort of the opposite of fight or flight response. This is important, because we all have these sort of feel good hormones in the body, which do more than just make you feel good.
They might actually make your immune system stronger, and possibly ward off disease as well. Also, just the simple act of prayer regardless of the spiritual involvement of prayer makes you repeat things, it also makes you disregard things around you. And both those things may make -- may distract you from the pain or from your illness, as well, Anderson.
COOPER: What about physiologically, is something happening when people pray?
GUPTA: This is most exciting thing really, is people are starting to try to measure this. And what they have found actually, they've done MRIs on people who are praying, who have done praying and people who have not. And they found that you -- actually it causes a quieting sort of response in the brain. So, the brain tends to quiet down, even those areas that are responsible for pain. So, prayer might have a physiological as well as a spiritual effect here.
Now, no one is saying prayer alone, and this is where it gets dangerous, if you believe prayer alone could, actually, fix cancer or fix a disease, but in combination as we tried to stress in this piece, Anderson.
COOPER: All right, 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta, thanks.
GUPTA: Thank you.
COOPER: We're following a lot of other stories tonight.
With that Erica Hill from HEADLINE NEWS is back. And she joins us at about quarter to the hour. Hey, Erica.
HILL: I'm back and I'm ready to go. Nice to see you, Anderson.
We start off with word from the U.S. military that success in its fight -- there is success in it's fight against Iraqi insurgents. Near the Syrian border Operation Matador continues. The U.S. military says, at least, 100 insurgents have been killed in the offensive. Meantime, in Northern Iraq more than 60 insurgents have been detained in raids over the past three days.
On to Atlanta, Georgia: prosecutors in the case against the courthouse shooting suspect Brian Nichols will seek the death penalty. Nichols is accused of killing four people including a judge in a shooting rampage in Atlanta back in March. Aboard the aircraft carrier USS Harry Truman, officials say an intruder managed to board the U.S. warship while it was anchored in an English port last month. The Navy considers the breach of security significant, because -- get this: the intruder wasn't discovered for half an hour. And he eluded stringent security measures put in place after the deadly bombing of the USS Cole several years ago.
And back to New York, trouble at the first ever Daytony 500 -- get it? Yesterday talk show host Tony Danza crashed his go-cart after getting a little bump and run from NASCAR starter Rusty Wallace. Luckily Danza was not hurt. However the action on that tractor, Anderson, begs the question -- where's the helmets?
COOPER: You know, it also begs the question who's the boss. I mean, you know, and where was Angela.
HILL: Angela, obviously, not there to help take care of things. Mona, Samantha, Jonathan, nobody there.
COOPER: Let's just see it again. I just -- you know, just -- I don't watch -- I don't get to watch the "Danza Show" often.
HILL: And there he goes.
COOPER: Yes, but Tony Danza was not hurt in the taping of the show.
HILL: Luckily. Maybe he should have stayed in Connecticut with the van.
COOPER: Erica Hill, thanks very much. See you again later.
She's a "Who's the Boss" fan, I think.
Anyway, 360 next -- putting a blanket over a blanket of ice. Why on earth would scientists cover a glacier? They're actually covering it up. The answer coming up next.
Also ahead tonight, the nameless baby, a year and a half after this girl was born, her parents are still trying to come up with a name for her. I don't even know what they call her now. We'll find out ahead.
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COOPER: It's hard to tell what they're doing, but it is a very strange sight indeed. Scientists putting a blanket over a glacier in Switzerland. Now, they hope the wrap is going to slow down melting. And considering glaciers store about 75 percent of the worlds fresh water, saving them is essential. This has been one of the most popular stories all day on CNN.com.
Rudi Bakhtiar is here to give us an angle you won't see anywhere else.
Rudi what did you find out about this? RUDI BAKHTIAR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Global warming, Anderson, scaring everyone. And they're willing to try everything. We went in search to see if this actual -- I guess what they were trying to fix, the problem with this blanket is, actually, going to work. Here's what we found.
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BAKHTIAR: A sun-reflecting fleece-like blanket woven from artificial textiles has been spread across nearly 4,000 square yards of a glacier. A low tech response to one of the great scientific challenges of our day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The objective basically is to provide shade for the glacier to -- and to shield it from the sun, especially during summer so that the volume of ice remains more or less constant.
BAKHTIAR: All over the world glaciers like this one are under threat from global warming. Some believe the Alpine glaciers in parts of Europe are losing 1 percent of their mass every year. And there's a growing fear that those ice formations may all but disappear by the end of this century. Another hot summer like 2003, Europe's steamiest in 500 years, would only add to that worry.
It's a doomsday scenario that was made for Hollywood. In "The Day After Tomorrow," icecaps melt, oceans rise, and coastlines disappear under waves hundreds of feet high. Some environmental groups say an ecological catastrophe could occur if global warming continues, though it may take hundreds of years to happen.
From the science fiction, let's turn back, now, to the science of that Swiss blanket -- a band-aid solution, in the opinion of some experts.
I think it can probably slow down the melting a little bit, but it can't prevent it. This is not a solution. The solution is to switch to clean energy. That is what we need to do. We need to cut CO2 emissions. We need to cut those harmful pollutions that we put out and that makes climate change happen.
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BAKHTIAR: Now, the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere is expected to double or even triple in the next 30 years. And the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is actually projecting that global temperatures will rise an additional three to 10 degrees Fahrenheit by the century's end, which could mean a rise in sea level.
And Anderson, what do all these numbers mean? There are about 100 million people who are living on the seaside, within about three feet of the main coastal sea level. And for ever one foot-and-a-half that the sea level would rise, these people would lose 150 feet of beachfront property. So it's pretty scary stuff coming up in the next few years.
COOPER: All right, Rudi Bakhtiar, thanks.
And our developing story out of the White House. Word of a security scare for President Bush during his travels to the country of Georgia. There's a lot of back and forth as to what really happened. This is a story we have been following all this hour.
Let's go back to the White House. CNN's Elaine Quijano with the latest developments -- Elaine.
QUIJANO: Hello to you, Anderson. That's right, now the Associated Press is reporting that apparently a spokesman for the Georgian Interior minister is calling the story a lie. Now, this in response to a report that the U.S. Secret Service got a couple of hours after President Bush left Tbilisi, Georgia. The Secret Service saying that according to this report from the Georgian security authorities, some kind of device, a device that has been described to them as a hand grenade, was thrown within 100 feet of the stage where President Bush was speaking.
Now, the device, according to this report that the Secret Service got from Georgian authorities, this device hit an individual, fell to the ground, and was recognized by a Georgian security officer, who picked it up and took it away from the scene reportedly.
But very important to emphasize, this has been stressed to us by the Secret Service, that they themselves have not yet seen the device itself. They cannot confirm that, in fact, it was a hand grenade.
Now, they do have agents on the ground. Also, they will be working with FBI officials, as well as officials at the State Department and Georgian security officials to get to the bottom of this. But the Associated Press reporting that the Georgian foreign minister, a spokesman for the Georgian foreign minister, calling this story a lie -- Anderson.
COOPER: So let's just -- to clarify, OK, so this spokesman for the Georgian foreign minister now says it's a lie, according to the Associated Press. Where did the Secret Service get this original report from that there was a grenade?
QUIJANO: Well, the report that we have -- and I apologize, I'll correct myself here -- the Associated Press reporting that it was a Georgian interior minister's spokesman.
But the report from the Secret Service they say came from, quote, "host country security authorities." When I asked what does that mean, who exactly are we talking about here, they didn't have much detail for me. That is the extent of the information that they provided to us. So unclear exactly where that report came from.
What we do know is that agents who were accompanying President Bush during his visit to Tbilisi, Georgia, were then put on this case. They were on the ground there, and as I said, they are going to be working with these other agencies to try to get to the bottom of it -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right, we'll continue to follow it until we get to the bottom.
Elaine Quijano, thanks.
Let's find out what is coming up at the top of the hour on "PAULA ZAHN NOW." Hey, Paula.
PAULA ZAHN, HOST, "PAULA ZAHN NOW": Hi, Anderson. Thanks so much. In just about seven minutes, we'll be bringing you up to date on developments in the Zion killings, the child killings in Illinois, now on the heels of the arrest of a father of one of the victims.
Plus, we'll also have some advice on how to protect your children. I will be joined by an expert who has spent many years studying predators, and he has created a program that actually teaches children how to avoid becoming victims, by understanding the very specific language they use to lure children. You know, Anderson, we all tell our children over and over again, don't talk to strangers. These guys are con artists. They know exactly what to say to break down these kids' defense mechanisms. Tonight, we'll try to cut through some of that.
COOPER: All right, in about six minutes from now. Thanks, Paula.
Coming up next, though, on 360, a much lighter story. Name this baby. That's right. I know, she's cute, she's adorable. She doesn't have a name. She's a year-and-a-half old. Her mom and dad cannot figure out what to call her. We're taking some suggestions for them ahead. Maybe your suggestion they'll pick. Who knows. We'll be right back.
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COOPER: Well, after enduring pregnancy and childbirth, you think it wouldn't be that difficult to give a name to a newborn baby. Well, think again. Two Tucson parents are still trying, and their daughter is a year and a half old already. Terry Gonzales of our affiliate KGUN reports.
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TERRY GONZALES, KGUN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When Andrew Heatley and Mary Lane had their second child, a baby girl, they left the hospital without giving her a name.
MARY LANE, MOTHER OF NAMELESS: We decided to wait and see her, and see if she had her own personality and see what went well with her. So we decided to wait.
GONZALES: And wait they did. On her first birthday, her cake read "happy birthday baby." At the doctor's office, she is known as baby girl Lane. Today, at one and a half, she is still nameless.
LANE: There's no name out there that is her. Because she is so...
ANDREW HEATLEY, FATHER OF NAMELESS: Yeah, it would have been easier to name her when we didn't know her.
GONZALES: Older sister Mea has a name, but younger sister just goes by baby.
LANE: We started calling her the baby, the babe. Then that turned into the bobes, and then we call her bobee.
GONZALES: Andrew and Mary did have some possibilities, but they say there's just no name that really seems to fit.
(on camera): Now, I can empathize with Mary and Andrew to some extent. At seven months pregnant, my husband and I just cannot decide what to name our baby girl. But I can't imagine being in their situation a year and a half from now.
(voice-over): Mom and dad know some people think they are crazy for not naming their baby yet. They have taken their share of criticism, and Mary says, some people are downright rude about it. Others are just impatient.
LANE: My mom says, she used to call me -- and she calls me every day and asks me, have you named the baby yet? And I'm just like, yeah, no, I'll do it tomorrow.
GONZALES: Since little bobee has no legal name, she has no birth certificate, no Social Security number, and she can't even be claimed as a tax deduction. Mary has collected books and even dolls that illustrate her plight. They say they will pick a name sometime soon. Maybe.
Terry Gonzales, KGUN 9 News.
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COOPER: Yeah, clock is ticking. What do you think the name should be? E-mail us. Tell us what name you think fits that little girl best. Just log on to CNN.com/360, click on the "Instant Feedback" link.
We talked to the parents, told them we'd ask you for your thoughts and they said they'd consider them. I think they need all the help they can get. We'll tell you our favorites tomorrow.
I'm Anderson Cooper. Thanks for watching 360. CNN's prime-time coverage continues right now with Paula Zahn. Hey, Paula.
ZAHN: Does Andersona work for you?
COOPER: I would go for Andersona...
ZAHN: All right, that's my vote.
COOPER: Or Cooperina, maybe?
ZAHN: Will you put that in your little computer program?
COOPER: I will. Thanks, Paula.
ZAHN: Thanks, Anderson. Have a good night.
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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST, "ANDERSON COOPER 360": We're going to begin tonight with breaking news: did somebody throw a grenade at President Bush when he was in the former Soviet republic of Georgia? That, and more stories coming up next. 360 starts now.
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(voice-over): Best friends, they played together, rode bikes together, went to school together, and, found murdered together. Tonight, breaking news. The father of one of the slain girls charged with the brutal killings.
Unsolved mystery; six dead in California. Tonight, going "Beyond the Headlines." 360 M.D. Dr. Sanjay Gupta and real life CSI, how the dead reveal their secrets.
Prince Harry hitting the headlines again, this time for allegedly cheating on an art exam. Tonight, a 360 look at the laundry list of bad press plaguing the 20-year-old who is becoming the bad boy prince.
Hundreds of thousands suffer from pain every day, but what is the best remedy? Could prayer be an effective painkiller? Coming up, how patients and doctors are using the power of prayer to ease the pain.
And a baby, born with severe facial deformities. The mother said Teflon is to blame, but DuPont says no way. Tonight, 360 investigates a contaminated community and the effects of what some are calling the silent killer.
Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.
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COOPER: And, good evening. Thanks for joining us again.
We begin tonight with breaking news. Reports out of the country of Georgia that a grenade may have been thrown at President Bush during his visit there. We go to the White House now for the latest from Elaine Quijano. Elaine, what do we know?
ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN CORRESPONDENT, WHITE HOUSE: Well, Anderson, the Secret Service says that several hours after President Bush left the country of Georgia, they, the Secret Service, were informed of an incident, and that report came to them from security authorities in the country of Georgia. They said that earlier today, as President Bush was speaking in Tbilisi, Georgia, delivering some remarks there, a device that has been described as a hand grenade was thrown within 100 feet of where the president was speaking. Now, the device, according to the report, hit an individual, fell to the ground, and was recognized by a Georgian security officer who picked it up and took it away from the scene reportedly.
Now, the Secret Service says that it has agents, as well as the FBI, the State Department, and host country authorities all looking into this report. White House officials, who traveled with President Bush, are simply referring all inquiries to the Secret Service, but, of course, Anderson, still a lot of unanswered questions out there, namely, why the Secret Service wasn't told about this at the time that this reportedly happened. But the Secret Service saying they were only notified a couple of hours after President Bush left the country of Georgia.
COOPER: Elaine, we were just seeing some video of the president speaking in Georgia. It's really a huge crowd of people. Is that where the grenade was found, during that -- during that time?
QUIJANO: Yes. We are told by the Secret Service that it was at the time President Bush was actually delivering remarks, that he was actually speaking in Tbilisi on stage, that this device came within 100 feet of where the -- President Bush was on the stage, or, it came within 100 feet of the stage itself at the time that President Bush was there.
Again, they say that it was recognized by a Georgian security officer who took it away from the scene, but they -- only learning about this apparently -- they only learned about this, apparently, a couple of hours after President Bush left Georgia.
COOPER: Interesting, because, if memory serves me correctly, the U.S. Secret Service actually helped train some of the Georgian president's security, at least under Eduard Shevardnadze. So, interesting that there doesn't seem to have been that level of communication on the ground at the time that this grenade was allegedly found.
Elaine Quijano, following the story, we'll check in with you a little bit later. This is a developing story we will be following later tonight as well.
We turn you now to Zion, Illinois, where for two days the residents have known there was a murderer somewhere in their midst. Well, they learned the awful truth yesterday morning when two little girls, eight-year-old Laura Hobbs and nine-year-old Krystal Tobias, were found horribly murdered in a park not far from their homes and the elementary school they both attended. Now, the two were friends, and they had disappeared on Mother's Day. Then, just about 90 minutes ago, in its way, an even more horrible piece of news, the naming of a suspect.
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MICHAEL WALKER, LAKE COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: Today we are filing two counts of first degree murder against Jerry Branton Hobbs III of Zion. He's charged with the stabbing and beating death of both girls which occurred on Mother's Day.
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COOPER: Well, in case you didn't realize that Jerry Hobbs, of course, is the father of eight-year-old Laura Hobbs, one of the murdered girls.
The people of the community are digesting the news, perhaps comforted by knowing a suspect has been arrested, or perhaps just horrified at who that suspect is. From CNN's Jonathan Freed, now, the story of a traumatized town.
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JONATHAN FREED, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Nine-year-old Cristela Florek used to play with her best friend on this hammock.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just think about Krystal next to you.
FREED: But Krystal Tobias is never coming over to play again. Cristela and her family are wrestling with their emotions.
DORA FLOREK, CRISTELA'S MOTHER: (INAUDIBLE) a full circle. It just hit me. I was so sick I couldn't get out of bed. Every time I tried to get out of bed I thought I was going to faint.
FREED: The Floreks say losing Krystal is like a death in their own family.
(on camera): So, Krystal lived where? On the other side of this school?
DORA FLOREK: Yes, on the other side of the school.
DAN FLOREK, CRISTELA'S FATHER: Yes, directly on the other side.
FREED: They used to watch Krystal cross the field behind their house on her way home, to make sure she was safe.
Are you guys angry about what's happened, or are you too sad to even feel anything else right now?
DAN FLOREK: The anger is starting to build.
DORA FLOREK: Yes.
DAN FLOREK: I think, emotionally, the sadness is taking a huge toll on us, where we couldn't feel anger, but not like some people are -- right away were enraged. But I get more -- more mad every time we talk, more and more about it.
FREED: Dora is grappling with guilt because her family wasn't home on Sunday afternoon when neighbors say they saw Krystal and Laura playing on the hammock, waiting to see if Cristela would come outside. DORA FLOREK: That's why I told him, if she would have been OK, she would have been alive. (INAUDIBLE)
FREED: Cristela has a reminder of Krystal, a scrapbook they were making in Girl Scouts, where Krystal pasted a picture of her best friend, Cristela. A simple scrapbook, now turned into something precious, something Cristela wants to finish for both of them.
So what have you guys been telling your own kids? What have you been telling Cristela?
DORA FLOREK: She is not going nowhere. I mean, not even in the backyard by herself. We are just going to watch her like a hawk.
FREED: For now, the family knows it needs to grieve, but hopes the pain will pass quickly.
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(on camera): Anderson, there's a lot of grieving going on in this community. A town meeting is happening right now here at Central Junior High School right here in Zion. Family members of students at the schools affected, and the school affected, as well as anybody else who wants to attend, are invited here to talk about possibilities for grief counseling.
I did speak to the superintendent of the local school district here just a short while ago and she told me she thinks that perhaps the numbers won't be quite as great as originally expected now that, just 90 minutes ago, the police announced that suspect had been arrested. Anderson?
COOPER: And, for our viewers who are just joining us, that suspect is Jerry Hobbs, the father of one of the murdered girls. Jonathan Freed, thanks very much.
We hope you will stay tuned this evening after 360. Paula Zahn is going to have some very important advice for parents on what we all need to do to keep children safe.
In Liberty, Missouri, tonight, there is still concern over the well-being of some children there. Twenty-three of its school children were injured yesterday when the school bus, in which they were riding, ran into two cars at an intersection. Now, the impact was so violent, the drivers of the two cars were both killed. In Liberty, now, the job is tending to the wounds of the young, emotional wounds, as much as physical ones.
CNN Correspondent Ed Lavandera reports.
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LINDA WANSING, MICHAEL'S MOTHER: Look!
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The get-well wishes keep coming to the Wansing's home in Liberty, Missouri. Seven-year-old Michael is recovering from a concussion he suffered in Monday's school bus crash. The headaches and nightmares haven't gone away yet.
L. WANSING: Last night he kind of had some emotional issues when he went to -- trying to go to sleep, thinking he was back on the bus.
LAVANDERA: Michael was sitting in the middle of the bus as it careened through this busy intersection.
L. WANSING: One of the other children seemed to think that he might have, you know, flown to the other side, straight across, into that seat.
LAVANDERA: The impact was so severe Michael came out of his shoe.
L. WANSING: And, when I found him, he had one shoe on and one shoe off. So, I have no clue where the other shoe is at.
LAVANDERA: But, despite Monday's accident, Michael's parents aren't convinced seat belts would've helped, and they're not ready to demand that Liberty School District put seat belts it its buses.
CRAIG WANSING, MICHAEL'S FATHER: You know, I believe that -- and I still do. I mean, yesterday didn't change my belief, I mean, I -- the bus system here in Liberty is as safe as I have known it to be in -- and expect it to be. We never had a problem with it.
LAVANDERA: But Liberty's superintendent says after Monday's crash the district will look at outfitting its buses with seat belts.
SCOTT TAVEAU, LIBERTY SCHOOL DISTRICT SUPERINTENDENT: We will do everything that we can do for student safety, and if the consensus of the experts says that seat belts on school buses is the best way to go, then we'll do everything that we can do to make that come about.
LAVANDERA: Around the country, some school districts have gone through the expense of equipping buses with safety belts. Opponents say it's too expensive to equip buses that are already considered to be safe, and that in some cases, belts could cause more severe injuries.
(on camera): The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says school buses are the safest way for kids to get to school. Last year, they say five children died in school bus accidents, compared to 800 who were killed walking, biking or riding in a car with their own parents.
(voice-over): The Wansings say they are doing their own research, but so far haven't seen anything to change their minds.
C. WANSING: It's got to be cost-warranted. I mean, if I only gain, you know, 1 percent more safety, and it costs me, you know, a ton of bucks in my tax dollars in order to make that happen, you know, then maybe it's not worth that cost benefit.
L. WANSING: You got what you want. OK? Let's go out to the car. LAVANDERA: Michael Wansing is on his way to the doctor's office for a check-up, but he knows very soon, he'll be on a bus headed back to school.
Ed Lavandera, CNN, Liberty, Missouri.
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COOPER: Well, it is certainly a tragedy any time a child is injured or, God forbid, killed in a bus accident, but we do want to keep school bus safety in perspective. Ed Lavandera touched on it in his piece, but here is a little bit more. A recent study from the Department of Transportation found that students are nearly eight times safer riding in a school bus than they are riding in a car.
Coming up next tonight on 360, mystery in California. Police discover six bodies at a rural home. Our 360 MD Sanjay Gupta goes "Beyond the Headlines," how forensic clues could help police catch the killer.
And Prince Harry courting controversy again? No more Nazi outfits at parties. The question tonight, was he cheating on his art exam? One of his former teachers says yes.
And later, faith and healing. Is prayer the best medicine? A new study sorts it out. You'll be surprised at the results. The power of prayer.
All that ahead tonight. But first, part of our 25th anniversary, the category "CNN" is featured every day this week on the game show "Jeopardy." Now, you don't have to be a "Jeopardy" champion like I am to play. Here's a "Jeopardy" 360 challenge. We're going to give you the answer when we come back.
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ALEX TREBEK, HOST, "JEOPARDY": A jury verdict handed down in this California Valley city sparked the devastation seen here in Los Angeles more than 30 miles away.
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TREBEK: A jury verdict handed down in this California Valley city sparked the devastation seen here in Los Angeles more than 30 miles away. Michael.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is Simi Valley.
TREBEK: Yes.
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COOPER: Ah, "Jeopardy."
Well, there was a gruesome discovery in California today. Police found the bodies of three children and three adults inside a home about 100 miles southeast of Los Angeles. The property belongs to an investigator working in the office of the Riverside County District Attorney. The sheriff says all the victims had trauma to the head.
In cases like these, forensic experts are all over the crime scene, using the latest research in criminal forensics to try to help solve the crime. Because while the dead cannot talk, their bodies speak volumes. Now we warn you that some of the images you are about to see in this next piece are graphic. 360 MD Sanjay Gupta continues his "CSI" series now on a place where the dead not only talk, but teach.
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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SR. MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Razor wire. Two locked gates. About 100 corpses. This is the University of Tennessee's Research Center, known as the body farm. It's the only place in the world devoted to studying human decay. Donated bodies are wrapped in plastic, laid on the earth, put under concrete, and buried in shallow graves.
Arpad Vass has been studying human decomposition for 16 years. He's on a mission to help law enforcement pinpoint time since death.
DR. ARPAD VASS, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE: Decomposition can be used to answer four of the five W's that need to be answered at a crime scene. That is who, what, when, where and why. The only thing decomposition can't help answer is why.
GUPTA: Vass, who used to place the bodies face down so he didn't have to see the faces, now sees more than just a cadaver. Now, the bacteria and enzymes in the cells talk to him and help him give the dead a voice.
VASS: We can still determine how long this person has been dead, up to about plus or minus a week, based on just looking at this material right here.
GUPTA: He has also studied the chemicals emitted by the body, and has used in-grave dental cameras to document how the body decomposes.
Back in the lab, Vass brain-storms novel ways to help police find a body.
VASS: Flies can locate decomposing remains for up to three miles away.
GUPTA: Cue the fly on a leash, attaching a tiny transmitter to a flesh-eating fly, and letting it free. Inspired by crop dusters, police may one day spray a field with chemicals to make the soil glow above a hidden grave. VASS: It's a 100-acre field, a huge search area. And we know from the research we have done that these bodies will have volatile compounds from the decompositional process come up through the soil into the surface.
GUPTA: Vass and research scientist Rob Smith are also creating an electronic nose to sniff out the dead by tracking the odors a decaying body creates.
What would such a corpse sniffer look like?
ROB SMITH, RESEARCH SCIENTIST: Perhaps have a snout that would extend, that you could search close to the ground, which is where a lot of the heavy vapors settle.
GUPTA: While dreaming up new ways to help police, Vass dreams of a day when they can find a body almost instantly, keeping evidence intact and speeding up the time it takes to track a killer.
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GUPTA: And Anderson, they don't talk about the exact time of death. That's really fictitious. What they really talk about is time since death. Couple of things to keep in mind here. Body temperature obviously is going to fall. That's one of the first clues in trying to determine the time since death, but also something known as rigor mortis. Everybody knows the stiffening of the body as it passes, you're talking about first the face tightens up, then the limbs, then the rest of the body. That entire process takes about 12 hours.
Some gruesome images there as you mentioned, Anderson, but important to try and study some of this stuff.
COOPER: Absolutely. All right, Sanjay, you're going to join us a little bit later with a fascinating look at the power of prayer in modern medicine. That's a little bit later on 360.
Also coming up next, the latest from the White House on President Bush's security scare during his travels to the country of Georgia. Did someone throw a grenade at the president? One was found about 100 feet from where he was standing.
Plus, remember when Prince Harry was the cute little redhead? So innocent, sweet-looking? Well, not so much anymore. Some say allegations are swirling that he may have cheated on some art exams. One of his teachers is making the claim. We'll give you the details ahead.
And as we go to break, another 360 "Jeopardy" challenge as CNN celebrates its 25th anniversary. The answer when we come back.
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ALEX TREBEK, HOST, JEOPARDY: The lieutenant colonel seen here is about to testify about his time on this government body from 1981 to 1986. (END VIDEO CLIP)
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TREBEK: The lieutenant colonel seen here is about to testify about his time on this government body from 1981 to 1986.
Correct response, what is the NSC. Sorry, Michael, not quickly enough. The National Security Council.
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COOPER: Well, Britain's Prince Harry just cannot hit the headlines for the right reasons. Today the Prince's art teacher at Eton College accused the third in line to the British thrown of cheating. The school and prince deny the charges. And the college claims the teacher said nothing about the allegations until after she'd been fired. Paula Hancocks has tonight's "World in 360."
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PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): An eight-year- old Prince Harry inspecting the troops with his mother, the late Princess Diana, and playing soldiers with the real thing. Twelve years later, the games become reality. The controversy is never far behind the prince. As his career at the prestigious military academy Sandhurst begins, media attention lingers on whether or not he cheated on an art exam a couple of years earlier.
Harry's former art teacher, Sarah Forsyth, claims artwork submitted for his final school exam was completed by the head of the art department of Eton, a claim rejected by the school and the royal family. Just the latest in a long list of embarrassing P.R. disaster for the prince. Few people have forgotten his scuffle with a member of the paparazzi outside a London nightclub seven months ago. Another photo that hawked the front pages, the prince wearing a Nazi uniform to a friend's fancy dress party in January of this year. Not to mention countless tabloid shots of the prince after allegedly having enjoyed a drink or two.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the press quite liked the idea of Harry being -- having a bad boy image. It's good to have a playboy prince which dominates the tabloid media in Britain. But in truth, he doesn't really cause bad publicity, but he's always out enjoying himself where the paparazzi are on the streets taking photographs.
HANCOCKS: But there's unlikely to be any of that kind of behavior at Sandhurst. Cadets are allowed very limited contact with the outside for the first five weeks of intensive training.
GEN. ANDREW RITCHIE, SANDHURST COMMANDANT: We say here, that many of the cadets who turn up have been used to working for four hours a day and sleeping for 20. And our aim is generally to reverse that cycle. RICHARD FITZWILLIAMS, ROYAL COMMENTATOR: Harry will get no special treatment at Sandhurst. He'll come out tougher. I hope, most sincerely, after recent mistakes that he comes out wiser, too.
HANCOCKS: He may be a British prince and he may be third in line for the thrown, but for the foreseeable future academy officials say Harry will not answer to the title of prince, simply Officer Cadet Wales.
Paula Hancock, CNN, London.
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COOPER: Coming up next on 360, an update on our breaking news tonight. A security scare for President Bush. Get the latest in a live report from the White House. And we're going to talk to a former Secret Service agent.
Plus, hundreds of thousands suffer from pain every day. Could prayer be an effective painkiller. We're going to meet a cancer patient who has turned to the power of pray to ease the pain.
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COOPER: I want to go back tonight to our top story. Breaking news out of the country of Georgia, where there are reports that a grenade may have been thrown at President Bush during his visit there.
Let's head back to the White House, now, to get the very latest from Elaine Quijano.
Elaine, what do you know?
ELAINE QUIJANO, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hello to you, Anderson.
I just got off the phone with Jim Mackin, a U.S. Secret Service spokesman, giving me a little bit more information. Now, apparently the Secret Service agents on the ground in Georgia have not themselves yet had a look at the actual device in question. Now all of this stemming from a report given to the Secret Service, a couple of hours after President Bush actually left Tbilisi, Georgia. The Secret Service, saying they were notified by host country security authorities of an incident, described as a -- device described as hand grenade apparently being thrown within 100 feet of the stage during President Bush's speech that you see there.
Now, according to Mackin, according to this report, this device hit an individual, fell to the ground, was recognized by a Georgian security officer who reportedly picked it up and took it away, according to this report. Now, Mackin says that the Secret Service, as well as the FBI, the State Department, and Georgian authorities, are all working to further look into this particular report.
The White House -- White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card was asked about this as the president returned here to the White House a short time ago -- referring all inquiries to the Secret Service. But, the information we have from the Secret Service -- that their folks on the ground there, apparently still there, because of President Bush's visit there, that they had still been in the area when the Secret Service was notified about this. They have not actually taken a look and seen this device for themselves. Anderson?
COOPER: All right, Elaine Quijano, thanks very much for the update.
With me on the phone, now, from Pompano Beach, Florida, is Joseph Lasorsa, a former Secret Service agent who was assigned to protect President Bush.
Joseph, appreciate you being with us. It's being reported, the grenade was thrown. Georgian security spotted it, removed it without incident. It didn't go off. Is that normal protocol for a situation like this, to pick a grenade and move it away?
JOSEPH LASORSA, FMR SECRET SERVICE AGENT (VIA TELEPHONE): The answer is, not normally. Normally, in a situation like this, the explosive device would be left where it was, and you would move the people away from the explosive device. But, not knowing the exact circumstances, more than likely this was a very heroic act on the part of that Georgian security official. He probably made an immediate, split-second decision, probably saving someone's life, if in fact it was a real grenade, but more than likely, from the sounds of the report, it was a facsimile item, a facsimile grenade, probably perpetrated for attention or the disruptive effect it would have on the event.
COOPER: We're seeing pictures, Joseph, of the actual event. It was said the grenade was about a hundred feet where the president was standing. The Secret Service is reportedly saying they were informed by this only after President Bush had left the country. Who makes the decision on whether to inform the guest when an incident like this has occurred, when you are traveling overseas?
LASORSA: Well, in most cases, decisions to inform would be done at a higher level, at the supervisory level, but not knowing the exact circumstances this man -- the security official may have immediately realized he had a facsimile item. It might have been a cast iron replica and just eliminated it from the event site, and when they realized they didn't have a threat, just at that point, let things subside.
But not knowing the circumstances, one really can't pass judgment on their actions.
COOPER: I know in the past, Georgia helped -- the U.S. helped train, I think, the Secret Service helped train the -- Eduard Shevardnadze, the former president of Georgia's security detail. At an event like this, where, I mean, Georgia has had assassinations in the past, they have ongoing military conflicts, and we're seeing this huge crowd -- that whole crowd didn't go through metal detectors, correct? LASORSA: I wouldn't know. I would assume they did. Usually their -- the security in the Soviet -- well, at least the old Soviet Bloc nations, but I'm sure the same has transcended in the Russian countries. Usually their security is conducted at fairly high level.
COOPER: So they have a pretty good internal security forces?
LASORSA: I would venture to say that they probably passed their -- the crowd through magnetometers, and they probably adhered to the majority of the Secret Service requirements.
COOPER: I assume there's going to be more investigations now, most likely handled by the host country. How will this work?
LASORSA: Well, I'm sure they are going to handle the investigation internally, and they more than likely will share that information. But the law enforcement authorities of the host nation are the ones being in controll. They are in charge, and it will be in their hands.
COOPER: Joseph Lasorsa, appreciate you joining us. Thank you very much. Former Secret Service agent...
LASORSA: My pleasure.
COOPER: ...under President Ronald Reagan.
360 next, turning to prayer to ease the pain. A cancer patient shares how her faith is making her stronger.
Also ahead tonight, a massive ice raft. Find out why this glacier is being covered up.
And a little later, name this baby. She is one-and-a-half years old and her parents still don't know what to call her. You are not going to believe this story, and you are going to get a chance to help them out, maybe. We'll be right back.
Before we go to break, another 360 Jeopardy challenge as we celebrate CNN's anniversary. The answer when we come back.
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COOPER: Well, anyone who has ever been in a serious pain situation will not be surprised by this statistic: in a "USA Today"/ABC News/Stanford University Medical Center poll released just yesterday, half of those who were asked said they had used prayer to control their pain. What may be surprising, though, is how well that remedy seems to actually work. A case in point from 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta.
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GUPTA: It had been 50 years since 61-year-old Kate Williams had been to church or even knelt down to pray. Then she was diagnosed with cancer.
KATE WILLIAMS, CANCER PATIENT: I felt so empty. I needed something to grab on to, something to hold on to, that would take me through this.
GUPTA: Now, after all these years, Kate trusts faith toward off her cancer as ardently as she does her treatments, and it could be working for her.
WILLIAMS: God is in me. God is taking care of me.
GUPTA: Studies show religious involvement appears to have health benefits including reducing anxiety, depression and substance abuse, and increasing longevity. Still, those associations are, admittedly, vague. For patients like Kate, a more important question remains. Can something as intangible as faith help treat the ravages of cancer? Studies show prayer, meditation, and other calming practices like yoga, ward off stress, which can exacerbate conditions like cancer. They also activate a measurable relaxation response in the brain.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's decreased blood pressure, heart rate, rate of breathe.
GUPTA: And so many doctors agree that faith is essential to healing. Still others believe that raising patient's expectations could do more harm than good.
DR. HERBERT BENSON, MIND BODY INSTITUTION: To say what we can do for ourselves, and what medicine can do for us are separate and can work alone is a mistake. They must be balanced.
GUPTA: Kate Williams says her faith gives her solace and a strength she wouldn't possess on her own.
WILLIAMS: I still don't know if I'm cancer free. I feel that I am. But I also feel that whatever happens I'm going to be fine.
GUPTA: Old fashioned faith could be a new elixir.
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COOPER: Well, Sanjay, you're a man of science, and a neurologist, how can you explain that prayer might affect pain? How is that possible?
GUPTA: Well, I think there's a couple of things here. First of all, it does seem to invoke the relaxation response. And the relaxation response is sort of the opposite of fight or flight response. This is important, because we all have these sort of feel good hormones in the body, which do more than just make you feel good.
They might actually make your immune system stronger, and possibly ward off disease as well. Also, just the simple act of prayer regardless of the spiritual involvement of prayer makes you repeat things, it also makes you disregard things around you. And both those things may make -- may distract you from the pain or from your illness, as well, Anderson.
COOPER: What about physiologically, is something happening when people pray?
GUPTA: This is most exciting thing really, is people are starting to try to measure this. And what they have found actually, they've done MRIs on people who are praying, who have done praying and people who have not. And they found that you -- actually it causes a quieting sort of response in the brain. So, the brain tends to quiet down, even those areas that are responsible for pain. So, prayer might have a physiological as well as a spiritual effect here.
Now, no one is saying prayer alone, and this is where it gets dangerous, if you believe prayer alone could, actually, fix cancer or fix a disease, but in combination as we tried to stress in this piece, Anderson.
COOPER: All right, 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta, thanks.
GUPTA: Thank you.
COOPER: We're following a lot of other stories tonight.
With that Erica Hill from HEADLINE NEWS is back. And she joins us at about quarter to the hour. Hey, Erica.
HILL: I'm back and I'm ready to go. Nice to see you, Anderson.
We start off with word from the U.S. military that success in its fight -- there is success in it's fight against Iraqi insurgents. Near the Syrian border Operation Matador continues. The U.S. military says, at least, 100 insurgents have been killed in the offensive. Meantime, in Northern Iraq more than 60 insurgents have been detained in raids over the past three days.
On to Atlanta, Georgia: prosecutors in the case against the courthouse shooting suspect Brian Nichols will seek the death penalty. Nichols is accused of killing four people including a judge in a shooting rampage in Atlanta back in March. Aboard the aircraft carrier USS Harry Truman, officials say an intruder managed to board the U.S. warship while it was anchored in an English port last month. The Navy considers the breach of security significant, because -- get this: the intruder wasn't discovered for half an hour. And he eluded stringent security measures put in place after the deadly bombing of the USS Cole several years ago.
And back to New York, trouble at the first ever Daytony 500 -- get it? Yesterday talk show host Tony Danza crashed his go-cart after getting a little bump and run from NASCAR starter Rusty Wallace. Luckily Danza was not hurt. However the action on that tractor, Anderson, begs the question -- where's the helmets?
COOPER: You know, it also begs the question who's the boss. I mean, you know, and where was Angela.
HILL: Angela, obviously, not there to help take care of things. Mona, Samantha, Jonathan, nobody there.
COOPER: Let's just see it again. I just -- you know, just -- I don't watch -- I don't get to watch the "Danza Show" often.
HILL: And there he goes.
COOPER: Yes, but Tony Danza was not hurt in the taping of the show.
HILL: Luckily. Maybe he should have stayed in Connecticut with the van.
COOPER: Erica Hill, thanks very much. See you again later.
She's a "Who's the Boss" fan, I think.
Anyway, 360 next -- putting a blanket over a blanket of ice. Why on earth would scientists cover a glacier? They're actually covering it up. The answer coming up next.
Also ahead tonight, the nameless baby, a year and a half after this girl was born, her parents are still trying to come up with a name for her. I don't even know what they call her now. We'll find out ahead.
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COOPER: It's hard to tell what they're doing, but it is a very strange sight indeed. Scientists putting a blanket over a glacier in Switzerland. Now, they hope the wrap is going to slow down melting. And considering glaciers store about 75 percent of the worlds fresh water, saving them is essential. This has been one of the most popular stories all day on CNN.com.
Rudi Bakhtiar is here to give us an angle you won't see anywhere else.
Rudi what did you find out about this? RUDI BAKHTIAR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Global warming, Anderson, scaring everyone. And they're willing to try everything. We went in search to see if this actual -- I guess what they were trying to fix, the problem with this blanket is, actually, going to work. Here's what we found.
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BAKHTIAR: A sun-reflecting fleece-like blanket woven from artificial textiles has been spread across nearly 4,000 square yards of a glacier. A low tech response to one of the great scientific challenges of our day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The objective basically is to provide shade for the glacier to -- and to shield it from the sun, especially during summer so that the volume of ice remains more or less constant.
BAKHTIAR: All over the world glaciers like this one are under threat from global warming. Some believe the Alpine glaciers in parts of Europe are losing 1 percent of their mass every year. And there's a growing fear that those ice formations may all but disappear by the end of this century. Another hot summer like 2003, Europe's steamiest in 500 years, would only add to that worry.
It's a doomsday scenario that was made for Hollywood. In "The Day After Tomorrow," icecaps melt, oceans rise, and coastlines disappear under waves hundreds of feet high. Some environmental groups say an ecological catastrophe could occur if global warming continues, though it may take hundreds of years to happen.
From the science fiction, let's turn back, now, to the science of that Swiss blanket -- a band-aid solution, in the opinion of some experts.
I think it can probably slow down the melting a little bit, but it can't prevent it. This is not a solution. The solution is to switch to clean energy. That is what we need to do. We need to cut CO2 emissions. We need to cut those harmful pollutions that we put out and that makes climate change happen.
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BAKHTIAR: Now, the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere is expected to double or even triple in the next 30 years. And the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is actually projecting that global temperatures will rise an additional three to 10 degrees Fahrenheit by the century's end, which could mean a rise in sea level.
And Anderson, what do all these numbers mean? There are about 100 million people who are living on the seaside, within about three feet of the main coastal sea level. And for ever one foot-and-a-half that the sea level would rise, these people would lose 150 feet of beachfront property. So it's pretty scary stuff coming up in the next few years.
COOPER: All right, Rudi Bakhtiar, thanks.
And our developing story out of the White House. Word of a security scare for President Bush during his travels to the country of Georgia. There's a lot of back and forth as to what really happened. This is a story we have been following all this hour.
Let's go back to the White House. CNN's Elaine Quijano with the latest developments -- Elaine.
QUIJANO: Hello to you, Anderson. That's right, now the Associated Press is reporting that apparently a spokesman for the Georgian Interior minister is calling the story a lie. Now, this in response to a report that the U.S. Secret Service got a couple of hours after President Bush left Tbilisi, Georgia. The Secret Service saying that according to this report from the Georgian security authorities, some kind of device, a device that has been described to them as a hand grenade, was thrown within 100 feet of the stage where President Bush was speaking.
Now, the device, according to this report that the Secret Service got from Georgian authorities, this device hit an individual, fell to the ground, and was recognized by a Georgian security officer, who picked it up and took it away from the scene reportedly.
But very important to emphasize, this has been stressed to us by the Secret Service, that they themselves have not yet seen the device itself. They cannot confirm that, in fact, it was a hand grenade.
Now, they do have agents on the ground. Also, they will be working with FBI officials, as well as officials at the State Department and Georgian security officials to get to the bottom of this. But the Associated Press reporting that the Georgian foreign minister, a spokesman for the Georgian foreign minister, calling this story a lie -- Anderson.
COOPER: So let's just -- to clarify, OK, so this spokesman for the Georgian foreign minister now says it's a lie, according to the Associated Press. Where did the Secret Service get this original report from that there was a grenade?
QUIJANO: Well, the report that we have -- and I apologize, I'll correct myself here -- the Associated Press reporting that it was a Georgian interior minister's spokesman.
But the report from the Secret Service they say came from, quote, "host country security authorities." When I asked what does that mean, who exactly are we talking about here, they didn't have much detail for me. That is the extent of the information that they provided to us. So unclear exactly where that report came from.
What we do know is that agents who were accompanying President Bush during his visit to Tbilisi, Georgia, were then put on this case. They were on the ground there, and as I said, they are going to be working with these other agencies to try to get to the bottom of it -- Anderson.
COOPER: All right, we'll continue to follow it until we get to the bottom.
Elaine Quijano, thanks.
Let's find out what is coming up at the top of the hour on "PAULA ZAHN NOW." Hey, Paula.
PAULA ZAHN, HOST, "PAULA ZAHN NOW": Hi, Anderson. Thanks so much. In just about seven minutes, we'll be bringing you up to date on developments in the Zion killings, the child killings in Illinois, now on the heels of the arrest of a father of one of the victims.
Plus, we'll also have some advice on how to protect your children. I will be joined by an expert who has spent many years studying predators, and he has created a program that actually teaches children how to avoid becoming victims, by understanding the very specific language they use to lure children. You know, Anderson, we all tell our children over and over again, don't talk to strangers. These guys are con artists. They know exactly what to say to break down these kids' defense mechanisms. Tonight, we'll try to cut through some of that.
COOPER: All right, in about six minutes from now. Thanks, Paula.
Coming up next, though, on 360, a much lighter story. Name this baby. That's right. I know, she's cute, she's adorable. She doesn't have a name. She's a year-and-a-half old. Her mom and dad cannot figure out what to call her. We're taking some suggestions for them ahead. Maybe your suggestion they'll pick. Who knows. We'll be right back.
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COOPER: Well, after enduring pregnancy and childbirth, you think it wouldn't be that difficult to give a name to a newborn baby. Well, think again. Two Tucson parents are still trying, and their daughter is a year and a half old already. Terry Gonzales of our affiliate KGUN reports.
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TERRY GONZALES, KGUN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When Andrew Heatley and Mary Lane had their second child, a baby girl, they left the hospital without giving her a name.
MARY LANE, MOTHER OF NAMELESS: We decided to wait and see her, and see if she had her own personality and see what went well with her. So we decided to wait.
GONZALES: And wait they did. On her first birthday, her cake read "happy birthday baby." At the doctor's office, she is known as baby girl Lane. Today, at one and a half, she is still nameless.
LANE: There's no name out there that is her. Because she is so...
ANDREW HEATLEY, FATHER OF NAMELESS: Yeah, it would have been easier to name her when we didn't know her.
GONZALES: Older sister Mea has a name, but younger sister just goes by baby.
LANE: We started calling her the baby, the babe. Then that turned into the bobes, and then we call her bobee.
GONZALES: Andrew and Mary did have some possibilities, but they say there's just no name that really seems to fit.
(on camera): Now, I can empathize with Mary and Andrew to some extent. At seven months pregnant, my husband and I just cannot decide what to name our baby girl. But I can't imagine being in their situation a year and a half from now.
(voice-over): Mom and dad know some people think they are crazy for not naming their baby yet. They have taken their share of criticism, and Mary says, some people are downright rude about it. Others are just impatient.
LANE: My mom says, she used to call me -- and she calls me every day and asks me, have you named the baby yet? And I'm just like, yeah, no, I'll do it tomorrow.
GONZALES: Since little bobee has no legal name, she has no birth certificate, no Social Security number, and she can't even be claimed as a tax deduction. Mary has collected books and even dolls that illustrate her plight. They say they will pick a name sometime soon. Maybe.
Terry Gonzales, KGUN 9 News.
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COOPER: Yeah, clock is ticking. What do you think the name should be? E-mail us. Tell us what name you think fits that little girl best. Just log on to CNN.com/360, click on the "Instant Feedback" link.
We talked to the parents, told them we'd ask you for your thoughts and they said they'd consider them. I think they need all the help they can get. We'll tell you our favorites tomorrow.
I'm Anderson Cooper. Thanks for watching 360. CNN's prime-time coverage continues right now with Paula Zahn. Hey, Paula.
ZAHN: Does Andersona work for you?
COOPER: I would go for Andersona...
ZAHN: All right, that's my vote.
COOPER: Or Cooperina, maybe?
ZAHN: Will you put that in your little computer program?
COOPER: I will. Thanks, Paula.
ZAHN: Thanks, Anderson. Have a good night.
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