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Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees

Toby Hawkins Interview; Franklin Graham Interview; Washington Apologies; Make-up Bacteria; Fire in California

Aired June 22, 2005 - 19:00   ET

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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST, ANDERSON COOPER 360: Thanks very much, Lou. Good evening everyone.
Cub Scout Brennan Hawkins goes home. My exclusive interview with his dad. 360 starts now.

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(voice-over): Brennan Hawkins, four days alone, wandering in the wilderness.

JODY HAWKINS, BRENNAN'S MOTHER: When they told me that Brennan was still alive -- my brain still cannot comprehend that.

COOPER: Tonight, we retrace little Brennan's steps. How did he survive, and could you survive alone in the woods?

Earthquakes -- not just California's problem. New research shows fault lines may run through your neighborhood. Tonight, what you need to know about what's happening under ground.

And, cosmetic samples at makeup counters -- free, but how clean are they? Tonight, 360 investigates dirty makeup.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ooh, that's kind of gross.

COOPER: What are you really putting on your face?

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ANNOUNCER: Live, from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.

COOPER (on camera): Good evening again.

What a difference a day makes. This was 11-year-old Cub Scout Brennan Hawkins just yesterday, freshly rescued after being lost for four days in the high country in northeastern Utah. The good news, of course, was that he was alive, but what had the ordeal taken out of him? Well, the answer, not very much apparently. Here he is today at a news conference his family held outside their home, looking kind of, well, squirmy, like a kid in new shoes who would really rather be somewhere else. In other words, a regular 11- year-old kid. Now, a 360 exclusive. A few minutes ago I spoke with Brennan's father, Toby Hawkins.

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COOPER: You know, we all saw that -- the first image of him on a gurney being taken into the hospital. He looked sunburned. He looked -- I don't know if it was shy or embarrassed or just, you know, tuckered out. He's back to his old self already, though, you think?

TOBY HAWKINS, BRENNAN'S FATHER: One of the biggest things that is difficult for Brennan to be able to deal with right now is obviously the excitement associated with the media and that -- these numbers, and having a lot of people in our home and all of this attention is overwhelming. And it would have been for him, you know, prior to this whole experience, but he's trying to figure out how to deal with it, you know? He's a fighter. We know that because of the success that he had out on the mountain and we're working through that to try to find quiet moments when we can nurse him back to good health and being able to deal with life.

COOPER: What is he doing now? I know he likes Pokemon and stuff. I mean, is he in a quiet place? Is he -- does -- I would imagine it's hard to get away from -- I can tell, it's a, you know -- party going on outside your house.

T. HAWKINS: He woke up at about 11:30 a.m. today. He went to sleep last night at about 9:00, and with the exception of about a 20- minute transport to our home and getting him into bed, he slept that whole time. He woke up, got breakfast at the kitchen island, and then he had a chance to be able to enjoy some Pokemon. He's played some X- Games. He, you know, he's had a couple friends over and they've hugged him and loved him and I think that all of that helps him adjust.

COOPER: Has he, at this point, started talking about his ordeal, what he went through, how he wound up getting lost?

T. HAWKINS: On a very limited basis, Anderson. I -- you know, as his father, and our family, we want to know. We think that it would help us the next time something like this, you know, heaven forbid, happens, but we'd like to know because we think that it would help us out and, you know, we want to know where we made our mistakes, and -- but he's not comfortable now talking about it.

COOPER: What has he said about -- or has he said anything about what he ate, where he slept or anything like that? I mean, I know you showed that position during the press conference. He was sort of wrapped up.

T. HAWKINS: Yes, his little midget mode. Yes, he has not -- he's told us that he hasn't eaten anything, but he's also told us that he didn't drink anything, but based on his level of hydration and what good condition he was in, we know that he drank. You know, he was wet when they found him and somehow or another -- I don't know whether he fell in a puddle or exactly what happened and thank heavens that didn't happen the first day because I think he would have had a real cold night. But, we know he received hydration and that's one of the mysteries that we're anxious to find out. COOPER: Your wife said that Brennan was told not to talk to strangers and he followed that, maybe too closely, as he, I guess, as he hid from some of the rescuers who were looking for him. Looking back, is there any different advice you might've given him or you'd give to other parents to give their kids now?

T. HAWKINS: You know what, there -- we've determined that that's one of the greatest messages out of this. We really want parents and children to understand that, you know, stranger-danger is very important. We think that it's important that you've got a little password as a family that you share among each other and only family knows it, and that's helped us, and -- but the stranger-danger, we need to make a transition when they're in a lost environment.

COOPER: You know, Toby, I talked to a lot of parents whose kids go missing and don't come back and it is a real joy to talk to you today knowing that Brennan is safe and back home where he should be, and I'm just so happy for you and your family -- and it's good talking to you.

T. HAWKINS: Thank you, Anderson.

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COOPER: Well, as you just heard Brennan's parents taught him a lot about staying safe but that almost got him into trouble. Does the child safety strategy? Like don't talk to strangers, that makes good sense in the city. Does it also make sense when you're in the middle of the wilderness? CNN's Brian Todd reports.

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(voice-over): Now basking in the best of news, the Hawkins family is shedding light on what might have saved 11-year-old Brennan's life and what might have prolonged his four-day ordeal.

T. HAWKINS: Brennan was just rock-solid in everything that he'd been taught.

J. HAWKINS: He was.

T. HAWKINS: You know? He was on a trail. He stayed away from strangers. He knew that it would be bad if he was taken by a stranger.

TODD: Brennan Hawkins was eventually rescued by a volunteer on an all-terrain vehicle, but the sheriff and family members say searchers had come close to Brennan before he was found. They say he was scared to approach rescuers, and even hid from them, possibly because they were not using the family's password. Could his own family's advice, issued with safety in mind, have turned the tables and endangered Brennan?

ANN SCOFIELD, CTR FOR MISSING & EXPLOITED CHILDREN: I certainly would not at all disagree with the instructions that the parent has given that child. TODD: But, Ann Scofield with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children says her group no longer embraces the concept of so-called "stranger danger." She says these situations are often too complex for a child to distinguish who can hurt them and who can help.

SCOFIELD: There are individuals, unknown to them, perhaps even entitled as a stranger, who can offer assistance and recovery -- uniformed personnel, a law enforcement officer, obviously, cashiers at a retail store, a mother with children.

TODD: Scofield acknowledges Brennan Hawkins, out in the wilderness with strangers not in uniform looking for him, was presented with a unique risk. But she says parents can prepare kids for that, too. One idea: tell them that strangers they see who are calling their name are likely well intentioned.

Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.

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COOPER: Well, ahead on 360, surviving in the wilderness -- what little Brennan Hawkins did and what you and your child need to know if faced with the same ordeal.

Also, as the Reverend Billy Graham prepares for his final crusade, we talk to his son, the Reverend Franklin Graham, about his dad and Franklin's statements that Islam is an evil and wicked religion. Does he still stand by that? Find out, ahead.

Also, a little later tonight, earthquakes aren't just in California. A new report shows some of the surprising places they might happen. Find out if your neighborhood is on a fault line.

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COOPER: The mother of Natalee Holloway, the girl missing in Aruba, says the suspects aren't telling authorities everything they know. 360, next.

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COOPER: In tonight's "World in 360," Sophia Choi joins us from HEADLINE NEWS. Hey, Sophia.

SOPHIA CHOI, CNN HEADLINE NEWS: Hi there, Anderson.

A controversial crackdown in Zimbabwe around the capital Harare. Homes, orphanages and even whole villages are being bulldozed, leaving behind what looks like a disaster zone. There's chaos with hundreds of thousands of people homeless. But the president of Zimbabwe says the operation is necessary to flush out criminals responsible for illegal trading in everything from food to money. Police say more than 42,000 people have been arrested, fined or have had their goods seized.

In Brussels, Belgium, a message for Syria from U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Rice called on Syria's government to do everything it can to deal with the instability, she says, that it is helping create in Lebanon. She says the instability has led to the assassinations of at least three anti-Syrian leaders there. And she's concerned there could be others.

And in Aruba, a plea for answers. The mother of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway says more people need to be questioned in connection to Natalee's disappearance more than three weeks ago. Beth Holloway Twitty also says she's sure the four men in custody, but not charged so far, have not revealed all they know.

In the United Arab Emirates, a U.S. spy plane like this one has crashed, killing the pilot. U.S. military officials say the crash occurred as the plane was returning to its base after a mission in Afghanistan. It's not known what caused that crash, an investigation is in the works. However, Anderson, they don't believe it was from hostile fire. That's good.

COOPER: All right. Sophia Choi, thanks. We'll see you again in about 30 minutes. Don't forget, you can check out our new free tool on our Web site. You can watch video 24/7 at CNN.com. Just click on the video link.

Ahead on 360, the Reverend Billy Graham this weekend holding what he says may be his last crusade in the U.S. We'll talk to his son Franklin about why his father has distanced himself from Franklin's views on Islam.

Plus Brennan Hawkins, a wilderness survivor -- how he did it. Also tonight.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ooh, that's kind of gross.

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COOPER: She's not talking about my office, she's talking about the ugly side of makeup: bacteria, staph infections at store counters. What you need to know. Part of our special week-long series, it's "Enough to Make You Sick."

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COOPER: I did not know that.

These days in Washington when it's easier to blame the other guy than be accountable, an apology may come as a surprise. That's what we got yesterday from Democratic Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois who was sorry for remarks he made comparing the treatment of Guantanamo prisoners to some procedures used against inmates in Soviet and Nazi prisons. Now, of course, saying you're sorry in Washington isn't quite the same as saying sorry to your friend or your spouse. If you filter through the sound bytes, you can definitely hear the "Raw Politics."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SEN. DICK DURBIN (D), ILLINOIS: I'm sorry if anything that I said caused any offense or pain.

COOPER (voice-over): How to apologize, Washington style. Say you're sorry.

DURBIN: I offer my apologies to those offended by my words.

COOPER: But don't actually admit to a mistake, a familiar tune in politics.

BOB PACKWOOD, FORMER OREGON SENATOR: These women were offended, appropriately so.

COOPER: Former Senator Bob Packwood responding to allegations of sexual harassment. Get the picture? Let's move on.

SEN. TRENT LOTT (R), MISSISSIPPI: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him.

COOPER: When Trent Lott said this about a former segregationist.

LOTT: And if the rest of the country would have followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems.

COOPER: He apologized like this.

LOTT: I grew up in an environment that condoned policies and views that we now know were wrong and immoral. And I repudiate them.

COOPER: The message -- segregation bad, Trent Lott, not so much.

The easiest way to get a politician to say they're sorry? Have them apologize for something they clearly didn't do.

SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D), LOUISIANA: Tonight, the Senate will pass a belated, but heartfelt and very sincere apology.

COOPER: Last week, senators apologized that their predecessors never passed anti-lynching laws. In 1998, Bill Clinton apologized for slavery.

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Going back before a time we were even a nation, European-Americans received the fruits of the slave trade. And we were wrong at that as well.

COOPER: OK. Technically it was billed as an expression of regret, not an actual apology. In Washington, there's a difference.

But Clinton brings us to the rarest of political apologies, the kind that comes after an individual tries to run.

CLINTON: It depends upon what the meaning of the word is, is.

COOPER: But realizes he just can't hide.

CLINTON: I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong.

COOPER: Does that mean he was sorry?

To quote another president in the world of "Raw Politics," mistakes were made.

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COOPER: Ah, Washington.

This just in, these are some live pictures we're about to show you of a wildfire that has been racing through the Mojave Desert in the community of Morongo Valley, California. Authorities report as many as nine homes have burned, hundreds of others are threatened in a 700-acre area. As you can see, these are helicopter shots, the fire burning really out of control at this point right there. We'll keep you posted on the situation.

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COOPER (voice-over): Earthquakes: not just California's problem. New research shows fault lines may run through your neighborhood. Tonight, what you need to know about what's happening underground.

And cosmetic samples at make-up counters. Free, but how clean are they? Tonight, 360 investigates dirty make-up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ooh, that's kind of gross.

COOPER: What are you really putting on your face? 360 continues.

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COOPER: Young Brennan Hawkins was lost in a very rugged part of the world up there in the high country of northeastern Utah, with a swollen river rushing along nearby and a lot of wildlife of various kinds. But he made it for four days, all alone, and he is fine. When you look at the chances, however, you realize he is a pretty lucky boy. CNN's Keith Oppenheim has more on what it takes to survive.

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STEVE HARTNETT, U.S. FOREST RANGER: Because we don't live in the wild, I think that people don't prepare well before they explore the area.

KEITH OPPENHEIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The area that U.S. Forest Ranger Steve Hartnett led me to is the general vicinity where 11-year- old Brennan Hawkins was found.

HARTNETT: You can see new stuff starting.

OPPENHEIM: It is a rough, over-exposed terrain, a mountain ridge charred by a forest fire three years ago.

What are the different ways that an 11-year-old kid could get hurt?

HARTNETT: Hypothermia, dehydration, disorientation.

OPPENHEIM: Ranger Hartnett teaches Boy Scout Masters what to teach Scouts about basic survival. His backpack has just the essentials.

HARTNETT: I would take a hat. Again, this one's fleece.

OPPENHEIM: Even in summertime.

HARTNETT: Even in summertime, especially. I would not forget also some rain gear.

OPPENHEIM: The pack included warm clothes, a first aid kit, some food and plenty of water, even a whistle -- all things Brennan Hawkins did not have, but Hartnett says one survival skill Brennan Hawkins demonstrated is critically important: he stayed near a trail.

HARTNETT: Where people will look for them. Along trails, roadways.

OPPENHEIM: Brennan Hawkins covered himself with a sweatshirt at night. Even more important, Hartnett says, is finding a natural shelter.

HARTNETT: I have a nice spot to lay down.

OPPENHEIM: That's good.

HARTNETT: All of this to block the wind. And I could pile up other bits of trees and branches, here, against this tree and this downed wood to lay inside.

OPPENHEIM: I asked Steve Hartnett about what may be the most challenging survival skill of all -- how children can handle the emotions of being lost.

HARTNETT: I would say pray, you know? I would say sing. Sing songs. It has a way of cheering you up, but know that other people will be looking for you if you're staying put and by a trail or road.

OPPENHEIM: In the end, Hartnett can't be sure how Brennan Hawkins did it. He suspects the answer comes from within.

HARTNETT: Maybe it's just the will to survive and to not die. You know, and sometimes our intuitive thoughts are quite wise. Sometimes they do save us.

OPPENHEIM: Keith Oppenheim, CNN, in the Uinta Mountains.

(END VIDEOTAPE) COOPER: Well, we're joined now by -- in Utah -- by Brent Lechtenberg, the second rescuer who saw Brennan Hawkins yesterday on the shores of what's called Lily Lake up in the Uinta Mountains.

Brent, thank you very much for being with us. Great job. You came across Brennan moments after he was found. What kind of condition was he in?

BRENT LECHTENBERG, RESCUER: Well, he was obviously very weak. He was withdrawn and not very interactive verbally, but he, surprisingly enough, really was not showing much emotion or exuberance about being found either, But he appeared to be physically in pretty decent shape with the exception of kind of a sullen look in his face, some -- a few bruises and scratches and his chip -- his lips were quite chapped and sun-burnt.

COOPER: How responsive was he when you started asking what had happened?

LECHTENBERG: You know, he really wanted to not talk about it. He didn't want to explain where he'd been, where he'd spent the nights. He didn't want to talk about what brought him to that position and what took him so many miles from the camp. He was more interested in getting some water, getting a few snacks into him and when I told him that -- I could obviously tell that he was nervous and scared and very shy -- I told him that he didn't know me, but my son did and that I was Ty's dad and that Ty wanted me to find him. And he perked right up and asked me if I could take him to Ty.

COOPER: What -- how does your son know him?

LECHTENBERG: You know, they've developed a relationship over the last several months, playing sports, and Ty's become a friend of the family's and -- for some reason, they've just really developed a chemistry and they hit it off real well.

COOPER: The surrounding area where Brennan was found has been described as rugged. How surprised were you that he was so far from the camp and had survived on his own for four days? I mean, it's pretty remarkable.

LECHTENBERG: It is so remarkable. We all talked about that, the guys on the horses -- and they were terrific, by the way. I can't imagine having my own son in better hands than what I witnessed, but we were all just absolutely surprised that he was able to fend for himself for all that time. He was obviously, very, very weak. I was surprised that he was even able to get up and do any hiding from the rescuers because he was so depleted of energy.

COOPER: You went down with Brennan to see him reunited with his family. That must have been an incredible moment.

LECHTENBERG: It was -- I'm not sure really who was the biggest benefactor of that experience, his family or the rescuers that were involved and were able to put that young boy into the family's arms. It was remarkable. And as one of the rescuers put it, as we -- as we set Brennan into their arms, Happy Father's Day, Toby.

COOPER: Man, what a moment. Brent Lechtenberg, appreciate you joining us and we appreciate what you did.

LECHTENBERG: You're welcome.

COOPER: Thanks very much, Brent.

360 next, we're going to take you to the fault line responsible for some of the country's worst earthquakes, and, believe it or not, it's not in California. The question is, how close is it to where you live? Find out.

Plus, ladies, you know when you go to the makeup counter, you get the free makeup? You will not believe what we found in some of that stuff they're putting on your face. It is "Enough to Make You Sick."

And, a little later, he once called Islam an evil and wicked religion. Today, he is poised to take over the ministry of his father, the Reverend Billy Graham. What does he think of Islam now? I'll speak one-on-one, exclusively, with the Reverend Franklin Graham.

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COOPER: The ugly side of makeup -- bacteria and other dangers of the makeup counter. What you need to know about what they're putting on your face.

360, next.

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COOPER: So if you've been watching our week-long series on hidden germs, you'll know this is shaping up to be a pretty dirty week for me. On Monday, I learned my office is infested with germs. Last night, the ice we put in our cup at restaurants could contain, well, I won't even tell you what it could contain, trust me on that one. And it's not just me who should be worried, ladies. You will not believe what kind of stuff you could find at the makeup counter that they are putting on your face.

CNN's Randi Kaye gives us the close-up look as we continue our series "Enough to Make You Sick".

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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Sitting out in the open -- colors just begging for a test drive, creams and concealers you can't pass up, and lipstick so inviting. But there may be an ugly side to getting beautiful.

PROF. ELIZABETH BROOKS, ROWAN UNIVERSITY: It was horrible -- where women would actually pick up the lipstick and put it on their lips directly and then put it back.

KAYE (on camera): And then you come along. And you have no idea that somebody has done that.

BROOKS: Exactly. Yes.

KAYE (voice-over): Professor Elizabeth Brooks discovered it as part of a project with her students at Rowan University. With permission from stores she promised never to identify, they headed out to collect samples.

BROOKS: It's a sterile swab, which means we know that there's no bacteria on it.

KAYE: They tested lipsticks, shadows, blushes and creams; anything you might put on your skin when sampling at the makeup counter.

KAYE (on camera): Dr. Brooks and her students visited about 12 stores, took more than 400 samples. They brought them back here to the university's lab and tested them. What they found was, well, gross.

BROOKS: We found bacteria, but what was alarming is the numbers. You know, it was just very, very high microbial counts. And more specifically, we did find that E. coli, which does set off the alarm bells there.

KAYE: Alarm bells, she says, because the E. coli came from one source -- fecal matter.

BROOKS: Basically, what that says is that someone had poor bathroom hygiene, touched the makeup and then you and I come along and try the makeup on.

KAYE: In a sense.

BROOKS: Yes.

KAYE: What are we doing, at that point?

BROOKS: We're putting feces on our face. Not a fun thing to do.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ooh, that's kind of gross.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm definitely never going to do that again, because that's kind of gross.

KAYE: Don't worry, ladies, none of the bacteria Dr. Brooks found will kill you. BROOKS: If you introduced into your eyes, you'd get -- you could get conjunctivitis. But you know, a zit, that's pretty much it; but it's just that ick-factor. Who wants that on their face?

KAYE: Professor Brooks did have some tips for makeup shoppers, like ask stores to sanitize samples; test the makeup on your hands, instead of your face; and never put anything near your eyes, nose or mouth.

Because while the germs may not be lethal... BROOKS: We put it on our face, then we are basically feeding these little critters and making them grow.

KAYE: Yuck.

BROOKS: Yes. Big-time yuck.

KAYE: It is certainly enough to make your skin crawl.

Randi Kaye, CNN, Glassborough, New jersey.

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COOPER: Man!

Don't forget our 360 "Germ Challenge." You know, you gave us a lot of grief, in e-mails, about how dirty our office is, so you have a chance now to show us how clean your house is or so you think. Dr. Germ is ready to make a house call.

E-mail us about why we should come to your house and put your home to the test -- the cleanliness of your home to the test. You can go to CNN.com/360. Click on the "Instant Feedback" link and if you want to learn more about the "Germ Challenge," you can go to our show page to learn more about that on CNN.com.

Don't forget, also, tomorrow we continue our "Enough to Make You Sick" series with dust mites. Let me tell you, they give a whole new meaning to sleeping with the enemy.

360 next, pass the Raisin Bran Crunch, but hold the Froot Loops. Saddam Hussein's favorite foods are giving some companies a bit of publicity, but is it welcome? We have some ideas on that.

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COOPER: Western Kentucky -- that's right, western Kentucky. Sure they were very small, magnitudes less than four, but most of us never think of earthquakes striking near the Mississippi River. It turns out some of the worst on record have happened in that region. And geologists say recently it's experienced a lot of unusual seismic activity. Tonight, CNN's John Zarrella takes us to the fault line there and reveals that everyone, not just those in California but -- or just the Midwest, but everyone is at risk in getting hit. Take a look.

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JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over: When the Earth moved in Ridgely, Tennessee, it wasn't Earth-shaking news.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought it was thundering outside, because it had been raining.

ZARRELLA: The earth moves with regularity in the Mississippi Valley. And it probably won't shake up steel jawed Midwesterners to learn that a new study by scientists at the University of Memphis reconfirms what had been suspected, but challenged in recent years -- that big earthquakes, really big ones can hit the region and they do so about every 500 years.

MICHAEL ELLIS, EARTHQUAKE STUDY CO-AUTHOR: What's important to know here is that the geological evidence tells us unequivocally that events or earthquakes like this, like the 1811, 1812 type of earthquake have been recurring fairly consistently in the past several thousand years.

ZARRELLA: When most of us think of earthquakes, big ones, we think of California, and it is in fact the most at-risk state. But the largest earthquakes ever in the contiguous United States were the three that hit in New Madrid, Missouri, in 1811 and 1812 -- estimated to be 8.1 and 8.0 magnitudes.

Those quakes gave rise to the name, New Madrid Seismic Zone, which runs through five states in the heart of the Mississippi Valley, from Illinois south through Missouri, Arkansas and portions of Kentucky and Tennessee. Memphis lies about 40 miles from the fault line.

The new study, released in "Nature" magazine indicates that not only does the risk of a great quake exist along the fault.

ELLIS: But more significantly than that, the probability of a magnitude 6 or greater in the next 50 years is between 25 and 40 percent.

ZARRELLA: The New Madrid system has been unusually active this year. But you don't have to live in the Midwest or California to feel a whole lot of shaking going on.

(on camera): If you live in New York, guess what? An earthquake hit the city in 1884, Boston, 1755. Just about everywhere you look in the United States, fault lines -- like a bad hair day -- go just about everywhere. In the East, for example, in Kansas there's the Crooked Creek Fault.

(voice-over): One runs through coastal North and South Carolina. Yet another in northeastern Massachusetts. In the west, Northwest Wyoming, Utah and Central New Mexico. There are far too many to name them all.

BUDDY SCHWEIG, USGS GEOLOGIST: This was felt in one, two, three, four, five, six states across the region, really quite impressive.

ZARRELLA: It's part of Buddy Schweig's job with the U.S. Geological Survey to make sure people are aware.

SCHWEIG: I never run into anybody now in the New Madric Seismic Zone from Memphis to St. Louis that doesn't know there's an earthquake problem.

ZARRELLA: The bottom line, be prepared but don't lose sleep over whether the Earth is going move under your feet. There's nothing you can do to stop it anyway. John Zarrella, CNN, reporting.

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COOPER: Well, Sophia Choi from HEADLINE NEWS joins us with the latest at about a quarter to the hour. Hey, Sophia.

CHOI: Hi there, Anderson.

Well, we begin with a very bad day in Baghdad. A series of suicide attacks rocked the city. In all, there were five car bombs, 23 people were killed and more than 40 others injured. The insurgents targeted a U.S. military convoy, two restaurants and a bus station and an Iraqi army patrol.

White Plains, New York. Joyride in the sky. Phillip Patrisio (ph) is charged with stealing a small plane from an airport in Connecticut and flying it to another airport in New York. Two teenage boys were also onboard. The 40-mile voyage could lead the pilot on an extended journey to jail.

From the University of Chicago, the healing powers of religion. A new study says most doctors in the U.S. believe in God and an afterlife. Seventy-six percent of 1,125 physicians polled said they have faith in a higher power. That is a big surprise to the researchers, because an earlier study said people tend to become less religious as education and income levels rise.

And in New York -- well, this would have worked in December: an attempt to make the world's largest popsicle melted away in Manhattan. Snapple hoped to build a 25-foot frozen confection. The thing is, it was kind of warm outside. The popsicle turned into a goo, flooding the streets and prompting Snapple to vow never to try this kind of stunt again.

Anderson, I guess it sounded like a good idea at the time.

COOPER: Yeah, maybe in the corporate boardroom.

Sophia, thanks so much. See you again in about 30 minutes.

A new feature we want to tell you about, log to CNN.com, click the video link. You'll be able to watch the videos, wherever you want and at no cost.

This just in. We want to show you live pictures of a wildfire that has been racing through the Mojave Desert community of Morongo Valley, California. You can see there on the left side of the screen -- the camera is now pulling out, trying to give you a sense of the distance of this. As many as nine homes have burned, hundreds of others are threatened in a 700 acre area.

The fire is burning apparently in the south side of California Highway 62. And also there's another fire burning on the north side of the highway. This Morongo Valley, in case you don't know, is about 20 miles northwest of Palm Springs. They've had temperatures there in the last couple of days in the hundreds, so it's not a great surprise that there is a wildfire burning. At this point, though, they're just concerned about the speed and the scale of the fire. This is -- they have confirmed seven to nine structures have been damaged or destroyed. We have someone from the San Bernardino County Fire Department on the phone, Dave Allen.

Dave, what can you tell us about this fire?

DAVE DOWLING, SAN BERNADINO FIRE DEPARTMENT: Well, the fire now is burning on both sides of Highway 62 on the west and south perimeters of the community of Morongo Valley. It's burned seven to nine houses either partially or totally destroyed. We're showing an acreage figure about 1,100 acres now and still burning hot and heavy.

COOPER: So what are you doing about it? What do you guys do -- I mean, how do you deal with this kind of thing?

DOWLING: Well, unfortunately at the time this fire broke out about 1:00 p.m. this afternoon, we had numerous fire starts in Riverside and San Bernardino County, which caused a drawdown on our equipment, caused a little bit of delay in getting resources moving. We only have so many fire trucks for so many fires. And we still have equipment en route to the Morongo Valley area to provide assistance to the crews out there.

COOPER: And in terms of what you can actually do about it, I mean, do you go at it directly? Do you try to cut some fire lines? What's the major concern?

DOWLING: Well, we do both. We do a direct attack and indirect attack. Aircraft, fixed-wing aircraft, helicopters they all provide a different means of fighting this fire.

COOPER: And I know this area, the Morongo Valley is about 20 miles northwest of Palm Springs. How populated is it? I mean, it looks relatively desolate.

DOWLING: Well, normally you would think of it as a desolate area, but Morongo Vally itself is a community of several thousand people with a light commercial area, a post office, fire station, several restaurants, hardware store, things associated with a rural community. And there's ranches that have -- several acre ranches, horse ranches. There's an open cattle area. The Covington Wildlife Refuge area is there and it's an extremely beautiful area that if this burns it's going to be a real loss to the nature area out there.

COOPER: I know you said you have units on the way. How long do you think it will take to get something like this under control?

DOWLING: Well, it depends. That area is experiencing 100-degree temperatures of winds up to 15, 20 miles an hour, at least. And a typical desert summer heat pattern. And with the extreme rains that we had last season, the grass crop out there is a foot to two-foot high and it's unusual. Desert you normally associate with an area with minimal growth, that's not the case this year. We have a burnable area all of the way to the Colorado River.

COOPER: Well, Dave, I know you have a lot of fires going on. Dave Dowling with San Bernadino County, appreciate you joining us. And hope you get your units there as soon as you can. Thanks very much, Dave.

I want to find out what's coming up at the top of the hour on PAULA ZAHN NOW. Filling in for Paula tonight, Kyra Phillips. Hey, Kyra

KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, Anderson. Good to see you.

We're going to be looking at two things that don't always go together, Hollywood and religion. The romance between superstar Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes is shining a spotlight on the Church of Scientology. Coming up tonight, we'll look at what Scientologists believe. And how it's changed a lot of people's lives. I'll see you at the top of the hour, Anderson.

COOPER: All right, Kyra. Look forward to that.

Next on 360. An exclusive interview, he once called Islam an evil and wicked religion. Today, he's poised to take over the religion of his father, the Reverend Billy Graham. What does Franklin Graham think now about Islam? Find out.

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COOPER: This weekend, the Reverend Billy Graham, perhaps the world's most recognized evangelist, will come here to New York City for what he says may be his last crusade. After his mission is done, the ministry will be passed on to his son Franklin who's caused some controversy with tough words about Islam.

Earlier, in an exclusive interview, I spoke with Franklin Graham about that, his upcoming task, and the legacy of his father.

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COOPER: He preaches God's love and that's his ministry. He stays away from hot-button issues, from politics now. Is your ministry different?

REV. FRANKLIN GRAHAM, EVANGELIST: Well, no. I feel that God's called me to preach and proclaim the Gospel. And when we talk about God's love, it's the fact that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shouldn't perish but have everlasting life.

My father has taken the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. And for over 50 years, he has preached that to more people than anybody else in all of history, and he's still doing that here. He's going to do it this week in New York. He's still preaching the same message after all these years.

COOPER: Do you shy away from the more hot-button issues?

GRAHAM: Oh, yes. COOPER: ...stem cell research, homosexuality, abortion -- the things that your father doesn't really talk about?

GRAHAM: Well, I get asked, like when I'm with you. It's not something that I go out and crusade on because I believe, as an evangelist, I'm to warn people of sin. Now, people will ask me how I feel about homosexuality. Well, I believe the Bible teaches it's a sin. How the -- you know, I feel about adultery, it's a sin against God. But yet, God will forgive sin if we confess and repent and turn from sin.

Abortion, people ask me -- I believe it's a sin against God. But if a person is guilty of having an abortion, God will forgive them and will cleanse them, if they're willing to come to him and ask for his forgiveness and receive his son Jesus Christ, by faith, into the heart, but those are not issues I go out and campaign on or preach against.

COOPER: You preach only a small percentage of your time. Really, most of your ministry is through Samaritans Purse, through working in the war-torn parts of the world. Why did you focus there? I mean, why your work in Africa?

GRAHAM: It started when I was 18 years of age. I dropped out of college and went to Jordan in a little hospital in the northern part of that country.

COOPER: You are kind of a hell-raiser then.

GRAHAM: I was, sure. Even then I was. I was searching. I was looking. I didn't know what God had for my life. I didn't know what he wanted me do, and I went out there to really, kind of, try to find myself. And it -- while I was in Jordan, working in that hospital, I felt God calling me to help the disadvantaged people of this world and try to reach down to those that are in the ditches and the gutters along life's road and try to lift them up and do it in such a way that you can tell them about god's son, Jesus Christ.

COOPER: In the wake of 9/11 -- and I know you probably get asked this all of the time -- you said that Islam is a very evil and wicked religion. Do you still believe that? GRAHAM: I believe that Jesus Christ is God's son. I don't believe that Islam is truth.

COOPER: Plenty of people in the name of Christianity have done -- have committed genocide, have -- the holocaust was committed by people who said they were Christians.

GRAHAM: Sure, and that was wrong and it was evil.

COOPER: But you don't say Christianity is an evil religion?

GRAHAM: In Islam, there is a lot that I have serious questions about, but the God that I worship doesn't require me to strap a bomb on myself and go blow up innocent people to prove to God that I love him and that is the way I can have salvation. Jesus Christ died for me. I don't have to die for him. God gave his son for me. I don't have to go give my life or take other people's lives to please God.

COOPER: But there's plenty of people who say, suicide bombing is a horrible, evil thing. It's not in the Quran and those who say it is, are distorting the true message of Islam.

GRAHAM: Well, no. In Islam, the only way that you can have salvation -- be assured of your salvation -- is to die in what they would call, what the clerics would call a holy war, a holy jihad. And clerics all around the world have declared this war in Iraq against the United States as a holy jihad.

COOPER: But there are also plenty of clerics who are, you know, who don't say that.

GRAHAM: Anderson, I would agree with you. In the world of Islam, I have many Muslim friends and I love them very much. And I've spent a good part of my life working in the Muslim world and I love the people of Islam and I want the people of Islam to know that God loves them. I want them to know that Jesus Christ died for their sins as much as he died for mine.

COOPER: But, do you still believe Islam is wicked and evil?

GRAHAM: I have a lot of concerns about it, Anderson. I really do, sure.

COOPER: Your dad said that's your ideas, not his.

GRAHAM: Sure. Sure.

COOPER: He says he doesn't judge people. Is it -- that it's not his job to judge people. Is it your job?

GRAHAM: No. I'm not judging. I'm just -- the truth is the truth, Anderson. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes unto the father but by me. There is no other way to God except through Jesus Christ.

COOPER: Well, Reverend Franklin Graham, appreciate you joining us. Thank you very much.

GRAHAM: Thank you.

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COOPER: OK, here's a really, really interesting question raised by what the world recently found out from a couple of his former guards about Saddam Hussein's eating habits in prison. From a free publicity standpoint, would you rather be the maker of Froot Loops, a cereal it turns out the former Butcher of Baghdad turns his nose up at, or Raisin Bran Crunch, the despot's number one breakfast choice? Yep, Raisin Bran Crunch really makes Saddam's tail wag.

Similarly, as the ad agency for the following, are you happy that an accused war criminal is crazy for Cheetos and devoted to Doritos, or unhappy about that? In other words, which makes a better promotional campaign? Froot Loops, the breakfast of patriots -- eat the cereal Saddam Hussein can't stand the sight of -- or Raisin Bran Crunch: so good even a ruthless tyrant can't resist.

If you make Cheetos or Doritos, do you play up this new endorsement -- favored by more jailed tyrants than any other snack? Or do you play it all down -- don't blame us for being so dang tasty.

Well, celebrity endorsements are one thing. But this variation -- getting the nod from the notorious -- it's a whole new area. Are you pleased or abashed? We'll have to keep an eye on further developments.

I want to show you one last time this wildfire that we have been following out of the Mojave Desert, the community of Morongo Valley in California. Authorities reporting as many as nine homes have burned, hundreds of others are threatened right now. It's about a 700-acre area, and as well heard from our representative, from our San Bernadino Fire Department, the fire is on both sides of Highway 62 down there in California. There is a casino in this area. It's about 20 miles outside of Palm Springs, California, and temperatures in this area have been in about an excess of 100 degrees for several days, so there's a lot of very dry brush on fire, and there is a lot of concern about where this fire might spread.

We'll keep you posted on the situation. Our primetime coverage continues right now with PAULA ZAHN NOW, and Kyra is joining us live. Hi, Kyra.