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British Police Pursue Bombing Mastermind; Amb. Wilson Lashes Out at Karl Rove; Aruba Case Update; Protecting Yourself Against Mosquitos; Hurricane Emily Strengthens
Aired July 14, 2005 - 19:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, HOST: Lou, thanks very much. Good evening. The investigation into the London bombing on U.S. soil.
It is 7:00 p.m. on the East Coast, 4:00 p.m. on the West, 360 starts now.
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ANNOUNCER: Most wanted: Was there a mastermind who got away in the murderous London bombing?
Breaking silence. Angry Ambassador Joe Wilson says Karl Rove should be fired and that the White House is -- quote -- "involved in a web of lies" in the scandal that outted Wilson's CIA agent wife.
A judge in Aruba makes a critical ruling on the lead suspects in the case of a missing American teen.
Summertime and mosquitoes. The new best way to protect yourself.
And Hurricane Emily. Once again, the U.S. is in the storm's path.
Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.
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COOPER: Good evening, again. We begin tonight with a picture -- a man, a backpack. Now, if you saw him in a crowded train station or sitting next to you on a bus, would you even look twice at him? Would you ever suspect that this man was about to commit mass murder? Would you ever think in that backpack was a 10-pound bomb with high-grade explosives, timed to explode?
London police say that man is one of four British men who carried out last week's coordinated bombings in Britain. Today, we also learned some surprising news. The British investigation into the bombers has now extended to the United States, specifically to a mysterious man in North Carolina, a student at NC State.
Extensive coverage tonight, first, from London. CNN senior international correspondent Matthew Chance is there.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice- over): It's the face of the man police say was responsible for the London bus bombing, just one of the explosions that shocked the British capital a week ago.
Identified as Hasib Hussein, he's just 18, photographed by security cameras at Luton train station on the day of the attacks. He's wearing a backpack which police believe concealed his bomb.
PETER CLARKE, POLICE ANTI-TERRORISM BRANCH: The question I'm asking the public is did you see this man at King's Cross? Was he alone or with others? Do you know the route he took from the station? Did you see him get onto a number 30 bus? And if you did, where and when was that?
CHANCE: Police appeals for information from the public have also taken to the streets. They're distributing leaflets, asking for any information about the bombers and their accomplices. They're also confirming the identity of another suspect, Shehzad Tanweer, 22-years- old from Leeds, pictured here as a schoolboy back in 1995. He's believed to be responsible for the Aldgate bombing which killed seven.
The third suspect, Mohammed Sadique Khan. He's been linked to the Edgeware Road explosion. These are his wedding pictures. He was a primary teacher and the father of an 8-month-old son.
And police say there's evidence of a fourth suspected bomber, named by U.S. officials to CNN as Jamaican-born Germaine Morris Lindsay, who was killed in the explosion between Russell Square and King's Cross.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The information, so far, has uncovered the bombers, the individuals behind the terrorist attacks. Now, the focus is to find out who recruited them, how were they recruited.
The individuals that helped coordinate the activity, financed it, provide logistics -- these are the handlers. These are the most important people because they put the cell together and as they're out there, they are in a position to still continue with recruitment and we still don't know how many more cells that were established.
CHANCE: As British police continue their sweeps of residential areas in Leeds and Aylesbury, to the north of London, U.S. law enforcement officials tell CNN, the FBI is investigating an Egyptian national, Magdi el-Nashar, in connection with the London attacks. The network responsible for the London carnage, say police, will eventually be picked apart.
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CHANCE: Well, this is an investigation. Police warn is extremely complex and could take several months to complete. They're not of courses, just looking for those who carried out those attacks, these men they've seemed to have already identified, but also for who supported them, who trained them, and who encouraged London followers to strike -- Anderson. COOPER: Who indeed. Matthew Chance thanks.
As I mentioned, the investigation into the London bombings has now extended its reach into U.S. soil. One of the men you just heard about, Magdi el-Nashar, just this year earned a doctorate degree in biochemistry from Leeds University. But before that, a few years ago, he as enrolled as a student quite a long way away from Leeds.
CNN's David Mattingly is standing by live now in, of all places, Raleigh, North Carolina.
David, what's the latest?
DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, the FBI would like to know what the Egyptian national, el-Nashar, was doing while he was living here in Raleigh, North Carolina, particularly that semester he spent as a student at North Carolina State.
University officials will tell us his time here was so brief that they don't know much about him, only that he was enrolled back in the spring of 2000, so this was all five years ago. They say all they can tell us was that he was enrolled as an engineering student, a chemical engineering student, as a graduate student.
We talked to one fellow Egyptian who was a student here at the time who knew him briefly who says that el-Nashar, to him, seemed like a regular guy, someone who did not seem to have radical beliefs about religion or politics. So, he was quite surprised when we told him about how his name came up in the investigation.
But at this time, officials on neither side of the Atlantic can say what connection, if any, he has in the bombings. They only know his name has come up in the investigation, and it's someone they want to check out. They said that -- the person who knew him says that el- Nashar told him that he had plans, at the time, to go back to his native Cairo and then to apply to study in England. And we have found out today that that apparently came true for him. He became a student at the University of Leeds where he received a doctorate in biochemical engineering.
Now as far as his stay here, not much else can be said about him. The university said it was so brief, there was not even any photographic record of him to be found. We did find his last-known address, which was an old apartment just off campus, at the time. We talked to people who live there today. They weren't there five years ago, so they didn't know him. But, we did manage to find the property owner at the time, who tells us she has turned over all of her records to the FBI.
And again, what connection he may have to this case is not known and not explained on either side of the Atlantic at this hour -- Anderson.
COOPER: Well, it's, of course, ominous when you hear he's studying chemical engineering right prior to 9/11. Do you know -- this was in 2000, do you know exactly when he left that college? MATTINGLY: We're still waiting to find out from federal authorities exactly when he left the country. As far as the university here is concerned, he parted ways with them after that spring semester in May of 2000, and that was the last they saw of him here.
The person who knew him that I had a brief conversation with did say that he wasn't sure exactly when he left the United States either, but everyone seems to be pretty confident, he no longer is in the United States.
COOPER: All right, David Mattingly thanks.
In Aruba, the latest -- the last person, I should say, known to have seen Natalee Holloway alive will remain behind bars. Now, under Dutch law, Joran Van Der Sloot could have been freed today, but prosecutors made a convincing case why the Dutch teen should stay in custody.
Mai Martinez from our Birmingham affiliate, WBRC is live in Palm Beach, Aruba with the latest.
Mai, the judges ruled there's enough evidence to hold him. Do we know what that evidence is, exactly?
MAI MARTINEZ, WBRC REPORTER: No, Anderson, we don't know exactly what the evidence is in this case. As it has been from the beginning, the prosecutor's office has been very tight-lipped about the evidence they have in the case.
What we do know, in their decision, the judges cited Joran's statements as one of the reasons he should continue to be detained as they do further investigation to verify the most recent statement and see if he's telling the truth and not have him out free to be involved in that investigation.
ANDERSON: What about the Kalpoe brothers? There was some talk that they might be rearrested today. That's not going to happen now?
MARTINEZ: No, they're not going to be rearrested. One of the appeals the prosecutor's office has was to get both of the brothers rearrested and have them detained again. The court did deny that appeal on behalf of the prosecutor's office. So, they are free tonight. They are still suspects in this case, and if more evidence is found in the future, they could be rearrested.
COOPER: That, of course, was a big concern with Natalee's mom, Beth Twitty. She was very upset when the Kalpoe brothers were released. I know you spoke to her just a short time ago. How is she doing tonight?
MARTINEZ: She actually said she's pleased with the judge's decision to hold Joran Van Der Sloot, but she also wished that one or not both of the Kalpoe brothers would be rearrested. She was really, really nervous about today in court, and she was very, very nervous that Joran Van Der Sloot would walk like the Kalpoe brothers did earlier this month. COOPER: We're going to have a lot more on this just a little bit later on in the program. Mai, we'll talk to you again, as well as a couple other reporters who have been following this, as well as an attorney from Aruba.
Erica Hill from HEADLINE NEWS joins us right now with some of the other stories we're following.
Erica, good evening.
ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And good evening to you, Anderson. Nice to see you.
We're starting off with news that Palestinian sources saying that now Israel has fired seven missiles into Gaza. There is no word on any possible injuries. The air raid comes after Israel blocked the three main roads in Gaza following a rocket blast by the Islamic fundamentalist group, Hamas and fighting in a Palestinian refugee camp between the Palestinian security forces and the military wing of Hamas.
In New York City, breaking scaffolding came crashing down. Five pedestrians, including a seven-month-old girl were injured in a partial building collapse in Manhattan's upper west side. At last check, all were in stable condition at area hospitals. A supermarket was demolished to make way for high-rise condos.
In Sacramento, California, Governor Schwarzenegger accused of a conflict of interest. A filing of the Securities and Exchange Commission shows he is getting paid millions of dollars as a consultant to the publisher of several fitness magazines. Those magazines get their profits from advertisements for nutritional supplements. What's the problem you ask? Well, last year, Schwarzenegger vetoed a bill that would have imposed new regulations on the dietary supplement industry. The deal's sponsor says the governor should cut his ties with the publisher.
And a little further south in Los Angeles, two "Desperate Housewives" stars denied an Emmy nomination, Nicolette Sheridan and Eva Longoria. And all the other top stars of the show were nominated for best lead actress in a comedy series. "Desperate Housewives" got a total of 15 nominations.
COOPER: Ah.
HILL: Ah? Are you upset about that?
COOPER: No, they were robbed
HILL: Robbed, I tell you, robbed!
COOPER: They were nominated. I mean, they are holding up that show. They're carrying that show. I know how they feel. You probably don't know this about me, Erica, for years I was on "All My Children." Do we have the picture? Yeah. I was in the cast of "All My Children." I was continually passed over. Susan Lucci -- all the attention was on her.
HILL: I was going to say, isn't that Susan Lucci? I mean, that's kind of her role.
COOPER: Yeah. It was actually all -- no, she kept getting nominated, never actually got the award.
HILL: So, what's even worse, is she got passed over, but you got passed over because she got passed over?
COOPER: Exactly.
HILL: That's ridiculous.
COOPER: Thank you. Yeah, I know. There are many wrongs.
HILL: Maybe you should go back to music. Like your album from yesterday.
COOPER: Maybe so.
Erica, thanks. See you again in about 30 minutes. Enough of that.
360 next, Hurricane Emily quickly gaining strength, now up to a category 3. I mean, I can't -- no one can believe this, 115 mile-per- hour winds. Its path has shifted. There is talk of it maybe reaching Texas. We'll have the latest on the storm.
Plus, when the marriage turns stale, how couples try to keep the love alive when some of the passion dies down, part of our week-long series on love and marriage.
And the firestorm over Karl Rove. Should he be fired for allegedly leaking the name of a CIA officer -- or, we should say, the identity of a CIA officer? Today the officer's husband spoke out. We'll tell you what he told CNN, we'll show you.
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COOPER: It is July, of course, only six weeks into hurricane season, so it is hard to believe that we already have our fifth named storm. Yesterday it became our second hurricane of the year, Hurricane Emily. Today, Hurricane Emily quickly gained strength. It's now a category 3 storm which means its winds are over 115 miles-an-hour. A good question, of course, where is it heading and when?
For that we go to CNN meteorologist, Jill Brown -- Jill.
JILL BROWN, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Hello Anderson. And here it is. It's Hurricane Emily, as you said, our second major hurricane of the season. The forecast of the season from the Dr. Gray is four major hurricanes. Well, we're well on our way.
Small but mighty, as they say, this hurricane, as you can see is well away from the U.S., for now. Will it ever affect us? Still a little bit in question. As we go in a little closer, let me show you who it will affect most immediately, and that's the islands here in the Caribbean where some of these feeder bands will likely produce some heavy rain, could have some flooding problems, definitely some rough sea through here. And there are tropical storm warnings in effect down through Aruba, and up through Espanola, and now hurricane watches for Jamaica.
Are you ready for the forecast track? Well here we go, 115 mile- per-hour winds go to 125, makes it a category 4, close to Jamaica by Saturday. Through the Cayman Islands, on to Cozumel and Cancun, Sunday, Monday, then back out into the Gulf of Mexico. A weaker hurricane will have a chance to gain strength before going into Mexico.
That's the official forecast track. And the margin of error, of course, is Texas, so there's still the possibility it could affect the U.S. mainland. It's several days off, so we've got some time watch this one. And again, this early in the season, this is sort of a atypical season. June and July are pretty quiet; the busy time of the hurricane season is August and September. So, this is just the beginning of what looks like it's going to be a very active hurricane season. Anderson, we'll keep you up to date. Again, next update in about an hour on Emily.
COOPER: All right. Thanks very much. And as you know, Emily comes on the heels of Dennis, a storm I got to know pretty well. Then last night, some of my hard work out there in storm facing danger, getting tossed around by brutal winds, became fodder for cheap, cheap tawdry laughs on Comedy Central's "Daily Show." I was shocked, I was appalled, I TiVoed it.
Now, we here at 360, we cover all the angles, we usually don't take sides. But this time around, I think we all agree I deserved to be mocked. So mock away, Mr. Stewart.
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COOPER: I don't know, but that's part of the sign. It's all coming apart?
JON STEWART, "DAILY SHOW": That flying debris almost cut Anderson Cooper into 180.
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COOPER: All right. That was funny. Not quite as funny, though, as what he said about someone else in this business. Take a look.
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STEWART: And of course, no crisis is fully exploited until Geraldo weighs in.
GERALDO RIVERA, REPORTER: The gusts really are very, very intense.
STEWART: Oh, where's the flying aluminum debris when you need it?
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COOPER: As we told you earlier this week, parts of that sign, that Ramada sign that almost cut me into 180 is up for bid on eBay, if you can believe it. Right now, the highest bid is a whopping $20.50. Not that we endorse this sale or anything, but $20.50? Come on, people, that sign almost killed me. It's got to be worth more than that.
Anyway, there's also a potato head up for bid, said to resemble me, though it -- well, I don't know. Someone said it looks more like Lou Dobbs, but I don't think that's true. I think it does look more like me. It's actually getting more bids than the sign. The highest right now, believe or not, for the potato with the sign in its head is more than $200.
Still to come on 360, his wife's CIA cover was blown. Now former Ambassador Joe Wilson wants Karl Rove fired even if he didn't break the law. He presents his case to CNN, next.
Also ahead tonight, new developments in the case of a missing American in Aruba. A judge ruling against rearresting two suspects. Does that leave the prosecution without a case? We're going to ask the experts on that.
Also, should a stale marriage be thrown out like stale bread? We're going to look at how couples keep it going when even the sex is gone in their relationship. Part of our week-long look at love and marriage in America.
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COOPER: All this week on 360, we're looking at love and marriage in America. Tonight, what happens when the flames of passion die down? For some couples, getting older in marriage means more stress and more errands and fatigue, and less time for -- well, sex. But is that necessarily a bad thing?
Jason Bellini talks with one couple who's dealing with a marriage which lost something along the way.
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TARA (PH) PATTERSON, WIFE: I don't want to hear another word out of you until your plate is clean.
JASON BELLINI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When it's dinnertime at the Pattersons', chaos is the main course on the menu. Adam is seven, Katie is three. For Chris and Tara Patterson, evenings aren't winding down. By the time their kids are in bed, they're so exhausted that sex is the last thing on their minds.
CHRIS PATTERSON, HUSBAND: I mean, if we have it once a month, I'm all right with that? BELLINI: Physiologists define sexless marriage as couples having sex no more than 10 times a year. A whopping 10 to 20 percent of married couples fit the category.
JANE GREER, MARRIAGE AND FAMILY THERAPIST: It's far more epidemic than people realize because couples do not like to talk about the fact that they're not having sex. It's something that makes each person feel badly, oftentimes filled with shame.
BELLINI: Chris says after 10 years of marriage, he's come to accept it.
C. PATTERSON: When either one of two of us is stressed, there's no lovin' that night.
BELLINI: Chris is a contractor; he also coaches Adam's baseball team. Tara runs a business from home.
T. PATTERSON: My newsletter is due out today.
BELLINI: And takes charge of the children.
T. PATTERSON: Oh, my goodness, you're covered!
BELLINI (on camera): The Patterson's isn't exactly a DINS relationship, double income, no sex. It's more of a DISS, double income, some sex. If they weren't so busy, would they be intimate more often? That part's a little unclear.
T. PATTERSON: Sometimes it's as simple as you're just not in the mood. I mean, I don't think it's always all the other things going on.
BELLINI (voice-over): The experts say that whether induced by kids or work, not having sex can itself become a routine.
GREER: You really do want to take the time and dress up and put the emphasis on how you look and how you smell, and am I putting my best foot forward, like you did in the beginning of the relationship.
BELLINI: Chris gets it.
C. PATTERSON: But, they need to be put in the mood. I mean, if you start -- if you want to have sex on Friday, you better start talking -- think start thinking about doing some thing on Wednesday, I mean, they just don't click and OK, let's go.
BELLINI: Tara may prefer reading to sex most nights.
C. PATTERSON: I would like more, but I'm not -- that's not -- that's not what I'm married for.
BELLINI: But both insist that all they really need is love, not sex.
Jason Bellini, CNN, Round Hill, Virginia.
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ANNOUNCER: Breaking silence, angry Ambassador Joe Wilson says Karl Rove should be fired and that the White House is - quote -- "involved in a web lies," in the scandal that ousted Wilson's CIA agent wife.
A judge in Aruba makes a critical ruling on the lead suspect in the case of a missing American teen.
And summertime and mosquitoes, the new best way to protect yourself. 360 continues.
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COOPER: Welcome back to 360 and a quick look at a couple of today's top stories in tonight's "Reset."
The storm named Emily has become the second major hurricane of the 2005 Atlantic season, having reached category 3 strength with 115 mile-per-hour winds. Now, Emily's currently 400 or so miles southeast of Santa Domingo in the Caribbean, and is moving west/northwest at better than 20 miles-an-hour. That's going to put it just south Jamaica. Just south, if Jamaica is lucky.
And in Trafalgar Square today, Londoners stood still in silence, some of them holding candles in somber recollection and remembrance of last week's terrorist bombings in which 54 were killed, many hundreds wounded, all of that only seven days ago.
In Aruba, it has been 45 days now since Natalee Holloway vanished, and for nearly as long, the one young man who was with her that night, the last-known man to have seen her, has been behind bars. Today, a judge said that Joran Van Der Sloot, the Dutch teenager, is going to remain in custody.
Now, he's been formally accused of murder and kidnapping, the question is, what happens now to this investigation? Joining us from Palm Beach, Aruba, is Mai Martinez, a reporter from our Birmingham affiliate, WBRC. Also Arleen Ellis-Schipper, an attorney in Aruba, and from Atlanta, CNN's Karl Penhaul.
Arlene, I'd like to begin with you. If they don't have enough evidence to actually charge Joran Van Der Sloot with a crime and move forward with the prosecution, what is the argument for continuing to hold him?
ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ATTORNEY: Well, first of all, charged is not a legal term that we have in Aruba. We have suspicion of a crime. And from that you have several assessments to hold a suspect in pretrial detention. After a certain amount of time, there is a official summation for court and that is mostly equivalent to your charge. COOPER: So, when does that official summation for court happen, or what needs to happen in order for that to happen? I mean, does more evidence have to be collected? Does a body have to be found? Does Natalee Holloway have to be found?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, first of all, it has to be determined what criminal offense has been committed. That is key to this whole case, because you have to summons someone because you suspect someone of a certain criminal offense. That is first of all what has to be done.
Second of all, you have to have evidence to link that suspect to that particular criminal offense. So yes, there has to be a lot done in this case.
COOPER: So, Mai, it seems like they don't have enough evidence at this point on Joran Van Der Sloot to actually move to that next level.
Let's talk about the Kalpoe brothers. The panel of judges ruled today that they cannot be rearrested. Are they still suspects?
MARTINEZ: They are still suspects in this case and we were speaking with Beth Twitty today and she's been reassured that if evidence is brought forward in the future, these boys could be rearrested.
COOPER: And Arlene, they -- what does that mean if they are still suspects? They still could be arrested. But why have they been let go then, I mean, if they're still suspects?
ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ATTORNEY IN ARUBA: Well, in this case, this is different from the system in the States. In our system, the authorities are allowed much -- a sooner grip on a suspect for investigation purposes.
This is the pretrial detention. And at this moment in this case, the judge has assessed the case and found that there is simply not enough to grant an extension of the pretrial detention, but that does not mean that they are ruled out completely as suspects. They remain suspects. But at this point, there is no grounds or not enough serious objections against their release.
COOPER: We're trying to work on Karl's mic, because something went wrong with it. But Mai, I want to ask you, the mother of Natalee Holloway, who you talked to just recently, said that yesterday she had evidence that Joran was involved in the disappearance of her daughter and she's also convinced the Kalpoe brothers are involved. Have you heard anything to suggest that there is new evidence?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Is that referred to me?
MARTINEZ: We have heard rumors that there are new evidence, but -- in this case, but we've not heard anything specifically about what that evidence may be. The prosecutor's office has been very tight- lipped about what they have in the case. They obviously have enough to convince a panel of three judges that it warrants keeping Joran behind bars as they continue their investigation. And from the very beginning, Beth Twitty and the rest of Natalee Holloway's family have really felt like these three young men hold the keys and hold the answers to what happened to Natalee that night and where Natalee is today.
COOPER: Arlene, how long can they hold Joran Van Der Sloot?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, there's a total amount of time that our law gives the prosecution office to keep someone in pretrial detention. It is approximately 146 days. By then, there has to be an official summation for court if the person is still in detention. So, that means that by then, the prosecution must determine which criminal offense has been committed.
COOPER: Mai, earlier this week, there were reports that the search teams, including the one from Texas, EquuSearch, were going to be basically pulling up stakes and leaving. What's the latest on the search? Are -- is anyone searching for Natalee Holloway?
MARTINEZ: Last week they were scheduled to leave this Wednesday. And then we heard that they were going to extend their stay on the island until Sunday. And right now, that's the date that they are set for departure.
We do know that two times this week, they have had areas of interest which included dirt mounds, which they dug up looking for any kind of remains. Yesterday, they were looking at an area near the national park here on the island, which had a shallow grave. It had the dirt dug out of the grave on the side and they were tipped to this area. They called police. Police thought it was of enough interest to investigate it further; spent several hours sifting through it, but in the end, said that it was not connected to Natalee's disappearance.
COOPER: Arlene, is there -- I mean, if no body is found -- if Natalee Holloway is never found alive or dead, is there a case? I mean, without her, is there a case at this point?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, that all depends on the evidence that they find. It is not necessarily necessary to find a body to convict someone of murder or crime.
COOPER: But, I mean, if they had the evidence at this point -- if they had enough evidence, they would be moving on to the next stages of this prosecution, wouldn't they?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, no. That is different from your system. They only are moving to the next stage, like the summation to court, if they are ready to close the case on paper. So, that is not necessarily the case.
COOPER: Right, but they would only be ready to close the case, if they had enough evidence, correct?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Yes. They're only ready to close the case if the case is resolved. And at this point, the case is not resolved, because we have not heard any determination of the criminal offense that has been committed.
COOPER: Mai, what is the mood there on Aruba? I mean, do you get a sense of -- is this story still a major story there? Do you see people searching? What is it like being there?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, I can tell you, the people of Aruba --
COOPER: I'm sorry. Mai, go ahead and then Arlene, I'll let you weigh in. Mai?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: OK.
MARTINEZ: Well, it's still a big story on this island, as it is across the world. Everybody has known this story for the past six weeks and everybody has been following it here in Aruba. Of course, it's not as intense as it was as when we first arrived on the island six weeks ago, but Natalee's family is still here everyday searching for her.
Now, they are talking about -- there's a $150,000 reward in this case. When I spoke with Beth earlier this evening, she did say they're looking at ways to modify it. Right now, the reward is for Natalee's safe return, but she said since the family doesn't really know at this point if they're looking Natalee dead or alive, they're thinking about modifying that reward to somehow incorporate a recovery of Natalee's remains, if she's in fact dead.
COOPER: And Arlene, a final thought from you?
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Yes. Well, I just wanted to say on behalf of the Aruban people, we eat, live and breathe this case. The Aruban people are very passionate about this case. They wan to see it resolved and we have every interest in to resolving this case. We feel for the family and to get it resolved.
COOPER: Arlene Ellis-Schipper. We appreciate it. And Mai Martinez, Great job. Thanks very much.
Coming up next on 360, did Karl Rove target this man's wife? Former Ambassador Joseph Wilson talks to CNN about Karl Rove; about the leak of his wife's identity as a CIA officer. Hear why Wilson says the president's right-hand-man should be fired.
Also tonight, a pesky battle in the war against mosquitoes. There are two new weapons for you to fight back. We'll put them to the test and see if they work.
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COOPER: Well, Erica Hill from HEADLINE NEWS has -- brings us up to date with the latest headlines. Hey, Erica.
HILL: That's what I do.
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COOPER: Well, apparently I forgot for a moment. I'm sorry.
HILL: That's all right. It happens. It happens.
We started off for you with a warning about cell phones, planes and terror. In Washington today, a Justice Department Official said cell phone use in flight could create a terror risk and a threat to national security. The official told a House panel that terrorists could use the phone to coordinate with accomplices on the plane or on the ground. The comment comes as the FCC is considering loosening restrictions on cell phone use aboard commercial airliners.
In San Francisco, an important ruling involving mad cow disease. A federal appeals court has overturned a two-year ban on imports of Canadian cattle. That, after a cow in Alberta was found to have the disease. There's no comment yet from the Department of Agriculture on when the cattle imports will resume.
At the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, slim chances of a launch this weekend. NASA said the Space Shuttle Discovery could lift off as early as Sunday, but that would have to be - quote -- "a really optimistic good-luck scenario." Yesterday's launch was scrubbed after engineers found a problem with a fuel sensor.
And Cooter not very happy. The actor who played the mechanic on the "Dukes of Hazard" TV show, says folks should skip the new movie. Ben Jones -- that would be Cooter -- says the film trashes the show with profanity, and sexual content -- shocking. Cooter calls the movie...
COOPER: Coo Coo Coo (ph)
HILL: Let me finish before you do that. OK?
COOPER: All right. Go Ahead.
HILL: He called it a disgrace to the original, which I'm sure you, as well as many of the rest of us...
COOPER: All right let's go
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COOPER: Go ahead.
HILL: ... Greatest TV programs of all time. I saw the General Lee, actually, last year. It was a very exciting moment.
COOPER: Where'd you see the General Lee?
HILL: I was in -- what's the name of the town? I was in Tennessee.
COOPER: Just hanging out?
HILL: Just hanging out. You know, chillin' with the General Lee. Don't you do that on the weekends? COOPER: What you do on the weekends, it's all becoming very clear to me. Erica Hill, thank you very much. See you again in about 30 minutes.
Now to the Washington soap opera, pointing fingers, in which, when last we checked on the participants, Republicans were saying that Karl Rove hadn't done a darned thing wrong, while Democrats were insisting he be slow roasted over an open fire, or at least dismissed. Of course, you have to kind of read between the lines and watch the tiny gestures to really get the full flavor of what's going on.
CNN White House correspondent Dana Bash has been doing that.
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DANA BASH, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The president usually takes this walk alone, not today. A message here in pictures he has not yet set with words: he is standing by Karl Rove.
But what Democrats see is a chance to chip away at a political asset Rove spent years building -- the president as someone you can trust.
HOWARD DEAN, DNC CHAIRMAN: Who do you value more, Mr. President? The security of the American people? Or your political cronies? Will you keep your word, Mr. President?
BASH: Over and over, Democrats hearken back to a Bush promise to fire anyone involved in outing the covert identity of Valerie Plame. Even though the jury is still out that that is what Rove really did, Bush opponents want to make the Rove debate about credibility, because they already see it eroding.
In a poll taken just before the latest developments, only 41 percent of Americans give Mr. Bush a good rating for being honest and straightforward -- his lowest on this question since becoming president.
Privately, even some Bush loyalists fear the White House is now engulfed in a familiar dilemma.
SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I don't want to get into commenting on things in the context of an ongoing investigation.
An ongoing investigation.
An ongoing investigation.
I don't want to jeopardize anything in that investigation.
BASH: Letting a legal, not a political strategy, guide the White House message.
DAVID GERGEN, FORMER WHITE HOUSE ADVISER: It's not like a sex scandal which is instantly understandable. This one is complex. BASH: Trying to keep the story alive, Senate Democrats offered legislation aimed directly at Rove to take away security clearance for anyone who has disclosed classified information.
(on camera): Republicans dismiss all of that as nothing more than a partisan stunt. But Democrats insist it's a legitimate policy issue. And beyond that, they say any time Bush allies have to defend somebody so indispensable to the president, it proves its power as a political issue.
Dana Bash, CNN, the White House.
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COOPER: Well, former President Bill Clinton talked to CNN today on the subject of one of the men in the flap we've been talking about, former Ambassador Joe Wilson. Take a look.
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WILLIAM CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I like Joe Wilson, the man who was the target of the wrath of somebody in the administration. But he didn't vote for me in '92, he voted for former President Bush. And he said so publicly.
He's a career diplomat. He didn't deserve to have his career ruined and his wife didn't deserve to have her career ruined because he wouldn't say what they wanted him to say.
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COOPER: As for Wilson himself, he held a news conference today in which he called on the president to fire Karl Rove. Wilson also spoke here on CNN with our colleague, Wolf Blitzer about, among other things, the Republican National Committee's pro-Rove talking points and what he calls the RNC's efforts to smear him. Listen.
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JOE WILSON, FRM. DEPUTY AMBASSADOR TO IRAQ: Well, it strikes me that it's typical of a Rove-type operation -- slime and defend is what it's called in the past.
But the fact of the matter is, of course, that this is not a Joe Wilson or Valerie Wilson issue. This is an issue of whether or not somebody leaked classified information to the press who then published it, thereby putting covert operations, and a covert officer at some risk.
BLITZER: What would have been so bad if your wife would have recommended you to go for Niger for this investigation?
WILSON: Well, of course, from my perspective it wouldn't have been bad at all. This was a legitimate request to answer a national security question. I was well qualified to do so. Indeed as the Senate select committee report says, I had made a trip in 1999 to Niger look into other uranium-related matters. So, I was well-known to the CIA.
I believed then and I believe now that -- and I know -- that Karl Rove was in fact engaged in pushing the Novak story, including calling a reporter and saying Wilson's wife is fair game. I find that to be an outrageous abuse of power from a senior White House official.
BLITZER: What's going to happen, in your opinion, when all the dust settles on this?
WILSON: Well, I believe the special counsel will have the last word on this. And I have full faith in the institutions of our government and in the personal qualities of Pat Fitzgerald and of the FBI team that is working to support him.
BLITZER: So if, this is the final question, if there are no charges leveled against Karl Rove, will you apologize to him?
WILSON: I believe Karl Rove should be fired. I believe Karl Rove should be fired, because I believe it's an outrageous abuse of power for somebody sitting in an office next to the president of the United States to be personally engaged in a smear campaign against citizens of this country.
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COOPER: Well, that was Joe Wilson earlier today on CNN.
Coming up next on 360, the new buzz on battling mosquitoes: After nearly half a century of just one kind of repellent, we now have a fresh, new line of defense against mosquitoes. We'll tell you how it works -- and if it does.
Plus, cameras everywhere in London. The average commuter -- did you know this? -- there videotaped about 300 times every day. People used to complain about it. But that has certainly changed after the terrorist attacks last week. We'll take you to the streets of London for the latest on the investigation.
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COOPER: Well, you know it's summertime when those pesky guests make that uninvited visit to you and your family. And I'm not talk about Wolf Blitzer and his gang. I'm talking about -- what? you know -- he shows up, he won't leave. Anyway, I'm talking about mosquitoes, buzzing, blood-suckers who know how to ruin a day.
I'm just kidding. Up to know, there has been only one government approved remedy to effectively fight the critters, DEET, of course, but now comes two other weapons. And it's creating a whole new kind of bug battle.
CNN's Adaora Udoji reports.
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ADAORA UDOJI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Mosquitoes: pesky predators.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hate that. Who doesn't?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're annoying. They give me bites.
UDOJI: This summer, everyone has new weapons to fight them off -- repellents made with two ingredients, lemon eucalyptus oil and the chemical Pecaridin, both backed by the Centers for Disease Control.
How good are they? "Consumer Reports" tested one of each and likes the results.
Cutter Advance has Pecaridin.
GEOFFREY MARTIN, CONSUMER REPORTS: OK.
UDOJI (on camera): Oh, it doesn't even have an -- no odor.
MARTIN: Yeah. It's very low odor and not sticky or oily.
UDOJI: This is not the repellent of my childhood.
MARTIN: No it is not. But aren't you happy to find out that it actually is effective?
UDOJI: Since World War II, the gold standard repellents have been those with the chemical DEET.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: DEET smells terrible.
UDOJI: Still, DEET has kept mosquitoes at bay for millions with few potential side effects. Experts say the new repellents do, too.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Smells like lotion. Feels like lotion. And I'm hoping it doesn't repel insects like lotion.
UDOJI: "Not at all," says "Consumer Reports." Repel with lemon Eucalyptus oil is especially good.
MARTIN: Yes. This is quite effective actually. When we tested this head to head against the DEET product, 10 percent, we found that it was actually more effective.
UDOJI: If you're outside walking in the park or picnicking, Martin says they all work well, but they found Repel lasts longer -- 12 hours or more -- while Cutter Advanced lasts up to seven hours, and 10 percent DEET products -- five hours, though higher concentrations of DEET last longer.
But parents beware, the label warns against using Repel on children three years old and younger. And if you're worried about ticks, especially ones carrying lyme disease, only DEET products are proven to work, like Ultrathon time-release repellent, "Consumer Report's" number one pick.
All the products warn against swallowing or getting the repellent in your eyes. Barring that, the Environmental Protection Agency says they're safe if used correctly.
Bottom line, the repellents cost roughly the same and all of them will give you the solid protection you need to battle mosquitoes looking for a bite.
Adaora Udoji, CNN, New York.
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COOPER: Good to know. I didn't know that. Let's find out what's coming up on top of the hour on PAULA ZAHN NOW. Hey, Paula.
PAULA ZAHN, HOST, PAULA ZAHN NOW: Hey, Anderson. Thanks.
At the top of the hour, we're going to have a PAULA ZAHN NOW exclusive. We're going to hear from a man who says one of the most advertised and most popular drugs of the last few years caused permanent damage to his eyes. Is there really a link between his problems and Viagra?
In addition to that, we'll be going to London for the latest on the terrorist bombings and try to get a better understanding of what would make four alleged terrorists kill the way they did -- Anderson?
COOPER: Paula, thanks. We'll be watching in about eight minutes form now.
Coming up next, though, on 360, the latest on those London bombings; the latest on the investigation, an investigation that has now reached America. Have the bombings changed what Londoners think about those ever-present security cameras? We'll take you to London, next.
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COOPER: Well, how do Muslims feel about suicide bombings? Here's a 360 "Download" from a Pew Global Research poll conducted in April and May, before the bombings in London. Among those polled in Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan and Indonesia, there is less support now than there was in the summer of 2002, for suicide bombings and other forms of terrorist violence.
In addition, in those countries, as well as in Turkey, public support for Osama bin Laden has dipped sharply since May of 2003.
On the other hand, the United States remains broadly unpopular in most of the places mentioned except in Morocco, which is evenly divided and among younger people in the various countries polled, who tend to view the U.S. more favorably.
A key part of this investigation into the London bombings has been the closed-circuit cameras that recorded the alleged bombers.
Did you know that the average Londoner is videotaped some 300 times every day by security cameras? They're on trains and on buses, on streets and in buildings and when times are good, that gives a lot of people in London the creeps. But then, just now, times are definitely not good.
Here's a report from CNN International's Becky Anderson.
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BECKY ANDERSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL: Many years ago on this winding London street lived George Orwell, author of the classic paranoid vision "1984." "Big Brother," he said, "will always be watching," and so he is. Two surveillance cameras peer within 100 feet of Orwell's former home in Notting Hill.
Last week's bombings showed us that the British are the most monitored people in the world. Imagine, the average commuter is videotaped about 300 times day. Closed-circuit cameras known as CCTV are everywhere, operated by the government and private businesses; watching as you walk down the street, sip a pint in the local pub, take the bus and of course, the subway.
A week ago today, CCTV cameras captured the four suspected London bombers near the subways. Police are combing over tapes, hoping they'll reveal even more about the mass murders.
Welcome to the surveillance society.
(on camera): I'm on the streets of in the London borough of Richmond. There aren't an awful lot of people around today, as you can see, but for some reason, I feel as if I'm being watched.
(voice-over) Meet big sister, Bonnie Conway (ph), who supervises the CCTV control room in the neighborhood of Twickenham.
BONNIE CONWAY, CCTV SUPERVISOR: We're a 24-hour service for the community, to keep them safe and sound.
ANDERSON: Here, around-the-clock staff watches and watches and watches.
Trevor Pue (ph) helped develop this rapidly expanding system.
TREVOR PUE, CCTV: The three roles for CCTV are to detect crime, to deter it, but also to reassure the public.
ANDERSON: Originally, the cameras were installed to address street crime. Pue says vigilant eyes in this room can spot trouble and call for help.
PUE: When you're trying to do this sort of work, you get a sense very quickly of something that isn't right and then you can focus on it and then, you're likely to call up support.
ANDERSON: Fans of CCTV insist would-be criminals are less likely to commit crimes, knowing they'll probably be caught on tape. But suicide bombers, obviously don't care about who sees them after they've triggered their bombs. Still, most Londoners seem pleased.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's paid off in the recent bombings, because they've captured people on the CCTV. So, it's paid off.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you're not doing anything wrong, it's not a problem. And look how quickly they found the bombers.
ANDERSON: Roy King (ph) is working the afternoon shift in the classical music exchange. He and Simon Berman (ph) sort CDs behind the counter. The camera looks on. Simon tells us he doesn't mind being filmed at work, but on his off hours, he'd rather live without CCTV.
SIMON BERMAN, CLASSICAL MUSIC EXCHANGE: I just feel that we're being watched everywhere. There isn't no private space being left for people and I don't particularly trust, I have to say, the government.
ANDERSON: Which takes us back to "Big Brother" and George Orwell and how his prediction hits so very close to home.
Becky Anderson. CNN, London.
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COOPER: We'll have more on the ongoing investigation into the London bombings tomorrow on 360 and on PAULA ZAHN NOW, as well.
Our primetime coverage continues with Paula. Hey, Paula.
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