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Dana Reeve's Cancer; Lung Cancer; Tennessee Prison Break; Shuttle Lands in California; Jackson Attorney Speaks about Juror Comments
Aired August 09, 2005 - 19:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening, everyone.
Dana Reeve, wife of the late Christopher Reeve, announces she has lung cancer. The question tonight: How did she get the disease if she wasn't a smoker?
It is 7:00 p.m. on the East Coast, 4:00 p.m. in West. 360 starts now.
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COOPER (voice-over): Superman's wife, after standing by her paralyzed husband, Christopher Reeve, for so many years, Dana Reeve, a non-smoker, now reveals she has lung cancer. Tonight, how much are you at risk, even if you don't smoke?
A carjacking nightmare. Extraordinary Grammy-winner Marc Cohn shot in the head during a carjacking. Tonight, a 360 driver's manual. What should you do if someone tries to steal your car?
A change of heart? Two jurors from the Michael Jackson trial say Jackson was guilty and they were pressured to say he wasn't. Tonight, Jackson's star attorney, Thomas Mesereau, speaks out.
And decoding the mystery of dreams. Do you really just dream in black-and-white? What do your dreams really mean? Tonight, 360 M.D., Dr. Sanjay Gupta, reveals what really happens inside your sleeping mind.
ANNOUNCER: Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, this is ANDERSON COOPER 360.
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COOPER: Good evening. Again, a number of stories we're covering tonight. A number of questions we want answers to. Dana Reeve has lung cancer. But how is it possible so many nonsmokers are getting this deadly disease? We'll answer that.
Also, Michael Jackson jurors make some startling claims. But why are they just now saying Jackson is guilty?
And a famous singer-songwriter gets carjacked, shot in the head. What should you do if you get carjacked? All that ahead, answers we want. We begin with a sobering statistic: The death of Peter Jennings got a lot of us talking about smoking and lung cancer. But at the same time, we wanted to make sure you know all the facts about lung cancer. And one big fact is, you do not have to smoke to get it.
This year alone, an estimated 25,000 Americans who never picked up a cigarette are going to be diagnosed with lung cancer. And sadly, today, we learned Dana Reeve is one of them.
As you may have heard by now today, the 44-year-old widow of Christopher Reeve announced she has the disease. Since her husband's death, she's carried on their crusade for spinal-cord research, helping to raise awareness and money. She's a symbol of hope and seemingly the picture of health. Now, Dana Reeve is fighting for her life.
CNN's Adaora Udoji has more.
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ADAORA UDOJI, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Can you imagine? Are there words to truly describe the last 12 months for Dana Reeve?
After tending to her husband, "Superman" actor Christopher Reeve, who became a quadriplegic over 10 years ago, he died in October after a heroic struggle. Then her mother, who had ovarian cancer, passed away four months later. And now we learn the widowed mother of a 13- year-old son is struggling with her own news: The 44-year-old has lung cancer.
Can you imagine? Reeve, who never smoked, released a statement announcing her illness, asking for privacy, saying, "I have an excellent team of physicians, and we are optimistic about my prognosis. I hope, before too long, to be sharing news of my good health and recovery."
Dana Reeve, who had been a young actor, dreamed of fame on stage, singing or acting. But performing at a summer stock theater in the '80s, she met the then-superstar, Christopher Reeve. They never parted.
They married in 1992 and had their son. Three years later, Reeve was paralyzed in a horse jumping accident. She recalled what she told him afterward.
DANA REEVE, WIFE OF CHRISTOPHER REEVE: You're still you, and I love you. And that we'll get through this. I'll stick with you no matter what and that, you know, we can do this. And I believe you can do it. And we'll just figure out a way to live a life.
UDOJI: In the years since, her love and courage, his strength have inspired so many. Together, they turned tragedy into a crusade, for children, for research, for spinal-cord injuries. They became powerful advocates for the disabled.
REEVE: These people need transportation. They need recreation. They need all of the things that we're all entitled to without even realizing it.
UDOJI: The couple also pushed tirelessly for controversial stem- cell research. Dana Reeve, born Dana Morosini, grew up with two sisters in upscale Westchester County, New York. Popular, she was class president her senior year in high school. In 1998, her father marveled at how far she had come.
CHARLES MOROSINI, DANA'S FATHER: She's shown she has enormous strength, which in a way surprises me, because she was the softest of my three daughters. And she's turned out to be the toughest.
UDOJI: No one doubts she's tough, but now she must be tough alone. Today, she said, "Now more than ever, I feel Chris with me as I face this challenge. As always, I look to him as the ultimate example of defying the odds with strength, courage and hope in the face of life's adversities."
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UDOJI: Now, the timing of Reeve's announcement today was not necessarily by her choice. She was actually reacting to a tabloid story that was published online yesterday. And it all comes after she had a very good start to the summer, Anderson. Back in June, she got great reviews for a singing performance that she did here in New York City.
COOPER: It is so sad, and so sad that this had to come out because a tabloid wanted to, you know, get a scoop on this kind of thing. Adaora Udoji, we appreciate the report.
Ten percent to 15 percent of all new lung cancer cases involve people who never smoked, people like Dana Reeve. The question is why. Joining us from Atlanta for answers is 360 M.D., Sanjay Gupta.
Sanjay, how can this happen?
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, Anderson, I think -- it's not surprising to a lot of people that there are people who smoke their entire lives and never get cancer and then there are people out there who never smoked and get cancer.
It's interesting. There's lots of different reasons. First of all, it's a small percentage of the overall lung cancer patients who never smoke.
But a few different reasons to consider. One is just genetics. Some people probably more predisposed to getting cancer in the first place. A second thing -- and this is probably something you didn't know, a lot of people didn't know -- are potential environmental hazards. In fact, the American Cancer Society lists exposure to radon gas which, in 1 in 15 homes in America, for example, is at levels too high, also can be a risk factor for lung cancer, as well.
And then finally, passive smoking, living with a smoker, being exposed to passive smoke, all those things.
This radon thing, Anderson, very interesting, in terms of possible risk factors. Small likelihood, but something to consider.
COOPER: Also, from statistics I read, women who've never smoked have higher rates of lung cancer than men. Why is that?
GUPTA: Yes, we're seeing that. First of all, it's worth pointing out that men still have overall higher lung-cancer rates. But we don't know exactly why this non-smoking woman population seems to be increasing in numbers.
It could have to do with some environmental exposures. It could have to do with just hormones. It could have to do with better diagnosis, better detection than we've had before. But you're right about that, Anderson.
COOPER: What about age? Does it play a role? I mean, Dana Reeve is 44 years old.
GUPTA: You know, it's interesting. I thought about this a lot today. Most people are actually diagnosed in their 50s, or 50 and older.
With regards to being 44 years old, which I believe is her age, in some way, it bodes better. People who are younger tend to do better. They tend to have a better chance of recovering. They have a better chance of responding to treatment. So that may play a role in her favor. It's hard to say for sure, Anderson.
COOPER: So if you're sitting there in your living room listening to this, what can you do to lower your risk of lung cancer, whether you smoke or not?
GUPTA: Well, first of all, I mean, smoking -- and again, you and I emphasize this a lot -- but if you smoke, stop smoking. There's a lot of benefits to stopping smoking right now.
Let me give you a couple. If you're 50 years old, for example, and you stop smoking today -- you've been smoking since childhood -- you can cut your risk of lung-related diseases, including cancer, by half. If you are 30 years old and you've been a lifelong smoker so far, you can almost negate all of the risk factors for lung disease, including cancer.
But there's a lot of things you can do, as well. We talked about this radon thing. I was interested by this today. I think it's important to get the radon levels in your house checked.
Also, if you have a family history of lung cancer or if you have any symptoms that are concerning, like persistent cough or certainly a bloody cough, get it checked out, Anderson.
COOPER: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, appreciate it. Thanks.
GUPTA: Thank you.
COOPER: At NASA, the nervous waiting is finally over. Finally, for the first time since Endeavor's successful flight nearly three years ago, Mission Control was able to welcome home a shuttle crew. The space shuttle Discovery touched down in California this morning.
CNN's Sean Callebs has more.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And Discovery is home.
SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The shuttle is back on Earth, with its leaders gushing over the performance of "Discovery," its crew, and commander Eileen Collins.
MICHAEL GRIFFIN, NASA ADMINISTRATOR: I'm thinking about resigning my position in favor of Eileen Collins. I mean, she's smarter, more personable, better looking, better pilot.
CALLEBS: A mission that stretched nearly 14 days and pushed technology and NASA scientists to the limit is being labeled wildly successful by the space agency.
EILEEN COLLINS, COMMANDER, SPACE SHUTTLE DISCOVERY: Well, clearly, I believe the most significant is just getting the shuttle flying again.
CALLEBS: But the day did get off to a rough start, with lightning in Florida, forcing NASA to abandon plans to land at the Kennedy Space Center, its preferred site. And a larger question remained on the minds of those in Mission Control and the shuttle: How would Discovery handle the punishing heat of reentry?
JAMES KELLY, DISCOVERY PILOT: There was a little bit of trepidation there. I think, for me, I wouldn't be human otherwise. But I will tell you, I was watching through the period where Columbia broke apart. I was looking at the same things that happened to them.
CALLEBS: Remember, NASA says at least five dangerously large chunks of foam broke free of the external fuel tank during launch. Luckily, none struck the orbiter. And an unprecedented spacewalk by Stephen Robinson was needed to repair a section of what's called gap filler, part of the shuttle's heat shield.
As the drag parachute slowed the shuttle to a crawl, a sigh of relief from the landing site at Edwards Air Force Base, all the way across the country to the Kennedy Space Center.
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CALLEBS: Memory of a disaster 2 1/2 years ago still looms large for NASA and Discovery's crew. This wasn't so much a mission to exorcise ghosts as it was to honor friends.
COLLINS: The Columbia crew believed in what they did. They believed in the space mission. And I know, if they're listening to me right now, they would most certainly want us to continue this mission.
CALLEBS: The desire is there, but the shuttle fleet remains grounded for the foreseeable future. NASA says it won't fly again until it's certain that debris, foam from the external fuel tank, won't doom the orbiter during liftoff.
Sean Callebs, CNN, at the Kennedy Space Center.
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COOPER: Coming up tonight on 360, ever wonder what your dreams mean, why you fall or you run in your sleep, or maybe you fly? We're going to talk with a dream analyst who will dissect some of our viewers' dreams and also maybe some of my dreams, as well.
You can send us a description of one of your dreams -- keep it clean, Mister -- by logging on to our web site, CNN.com/360, and click on the Instant Feedback link. We'll put your dreams to our dream analyst.
Also ahead, two jurors in the Michael Jackson case now say they regret voting to acquit him on sexual molestation charges. They say he was guilty. They say maybe there were payoffs. They say they were pressured. What could really be behind this about-face? We're going to talk with Jackson attorney Thomas Mesereau.
Plus, a music star shot in the head during an attempted carjacking. He survived. The question is, would you know how to get out alive if the same thing happened to you? We'll tell you what you need to know.
Also, a deadly courthouse shooting. An inmate's wife accused of firing the shots. We're going to tell you how it all went down.
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COOPER: Well, Erica Hill from HEADLINE NEWS joins us with the "World in 360."
Good evening, Erica.
ERICA HILL, CNN HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Hey, Anderson. Nice to see you.
We start off in Iraq. Iraqis actually coming forward to I.D. suspects in the deadly attacks on U.S. Marines near Haditha last week. That new development revealed today at a Pentagon briefing.
Fourteen Marine reservists were killed last Wednesday when their vehicle hit three landmines. Just two days earlier, six Marine snipers died in a firefight near the same city.
Now in another development, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says a shipment of bombs confiscated in Iraq are clearly from Iran. Rumsfeld says Iran is, quote, "notably unhelpful" in allowing weapons to get across the border into Iraq.
In Washington, D.C., a move that could cut the number of detainees at the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Two senior State Department officials say the Bush administration is in talks with up to 10 Muslim countries about transferring their citizens home in the next two months.
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, now, where thieves dig their way to $65 million. The thieves spent three months building this 262-foot-long tunnel from a house under a street into a bank vault. Police are now searching for eight suspects.
Niamey, Niger: Famine? What famine? In an interview with the BBC, Niger's president said the people in his country look well-fed. In fact, he said he accepted there are food shortages in some areas, but said that's nothing unusual. The president says the idea of a famine is being exploited for political and economic purposes. The U.N. denies those charges.
Anderson, I'm sure you have some thoughts on those comments.
COOPER: Yes, it was a surprising statement. We should point that relief groups aren't actually using the word "famine." Famine implies not only children are dying, but also adults, that it's that widespread. What they're saying -- the terms they're using is "severe malnutrition," but for the president to say that, you know -- in fact, one of his quotes was, "Well, look around, you know, everyone looks pretty well-fed to me," is obviously pretty surprising.
HILL: Yes, they didn't look so well-fed in the video that you brought us and all those pictures you brought us last week.
COOPER: Yes, it's a bit shocking to hear him say that. Erica Hill, appreciate you joining us. Thanks. See you again in about 30 minutes.
Coming up next, though, on 360, a deadly courthouse shooting. A prisoner escapes. His wife accused of setting him free. It's like something out of Bonnie and Clyde. We're going to tell you how it all went down.
Also ahead tonight, carjackings. One almost took the life of a music star. We're going to give you some tips on how you can survive.
Plus, was the Michael Jackson verdict forced? Some pretty shocking accusations by two Jackson jurors. We're going to speak with Thomas Mesereau, Jackson's attorney, coming up next.
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COOPER: Outside a courthouse in Kingston, Tennessee, an escape as dramatic as they come. A convicted felon is now on the loose, right now. Police say he was freed by his wife who allegedly caught corrections officers by surprise, opening fire, killing one of the corrections officers. A manhunt is underway right now to capture the couple.
CNN's David Mattingly has more on the story.
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DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Inmate George Hyatte walked out of the county courthouse in Kingston, Tennessee, looking at 30 more years in prison when he took matters into his own hands.
JIM WASHAM, KINGSTON POLICE CHIEF: When the correctional officer brought him out and was loading him back up, a dark colored SUV appeared behind a van. Mr. Hyatte hollered to shoot them.
MATTINGLY: According to authorities, Hyatte's wife, a former prison nurse, opened fire, killing one officer. The two escaped, but it's believed one of them was wounded in the shootout.
WASHAM: We did find the vehicle they escaped in. It is a blue Explorer SUV. There is blood in the driver's side. The other correctional officer did get a shot off, apparently striking one of the individuals. We don't know which one yet. But it appears that most of the blood is on the driver's side.
MATTINGLY: Hyatt's wife is identified as Jennifer Hyatte, who, according to a corrections spokeswoman, lost her job as a prison nurse because of her romantic relationship with the inmate she later married.
George Hyatte has a long and violent criminal history. He escaped from jail twice before, once in 1998 and again in 2002. Both times he was recaptured in other states.
MARK GWYN, TBI DIRECTOR: I guess they just made the decision that they didn't have anything to lose and now was the most opportune time to make a break, and that's what they did.
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MATTINGLY: That is indeed what they did. And in the process, taking the life of a veteran corrections officer, 56-year-old Wayne Morgan. He leaves behind a wife and two children -- Anderson?
COOPER: David, any sense of what direction they may be going in?
MATTINGLY: The last two times he escaped, he was apprehended in Indiana and in Florida, so surrounding states have been alerted. His wife is from the Nashville area, so they immediately started looking west to see if they might be going that way. They are looking from here all the way across the state to Memphis at this hour, taking any leads they possibly can, Anderson.
COOPER: David Mattingly, thanks.
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COOPER (voice-over): A change of heart? Two jurors from the Michael Jackson trial say Jackson was guilty and they were pressured to say he wasn't. Tonight, Jackson's star attorney, Thomas Mesereau, speaks out.
And decoding the mystery of dreams. Do you really just dream in black-and-white? And what do your dreams really mean? Tonight, 360 M.D., Dr. Sanjay Gupta, reveal what's really happens inside your sleeping mind. 360 continues.
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RAY HULTMAN, JUROR IN MICHAEL JACKSON TRIAL: I don't think anybody was really talked out of an opinion. It was more of presenting additional information about the timing of certain events.
I mean, it's very conceivable that somebody can appear to be telling the truth, and their demeanor would indicate that and everything else. But, when you look at past history of the accuser, there's some doubt. There's room for reasonable doubt.
LARRY KING, CNN HOST: And you didn't let...
HULTMAN: Really, that's what it was all about.
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COOPER: That was Ray Hultman, a juror in the Michael Jackson trial, right after the pop star was acquitted of child molestation. Now, eight weeks after the verdict, he's had an about-face.
Hultman and another juror, Eleanor Cook, now say they believe Jackson was guilty and they're accusing other jurors of pressuring them into reaching the not-guilty verdict. Joining me from Birmingham, Alabama, to respond to the new allegations, Michael Jackson's attorney Thomas Mesereau.
Thanks for being on the program. Do you put any stock in these allegations?
THOMAS MESEREAU, ATTORNEY FOR MICHAEL JACKSON: I put none in them. I think they're ridiculous. I think they're an embarrassment to the system.
COOPER: Why do you think they're making them?
MESEREAU: I can only guess. I think, while they were on the jury, and while they were subject to court orders, they conducted themselves in a responsible and honorable fashion. I think they deliberated as they were told to do, and I think they were fair, conscientious jurors.
Now, two months have gone by since they were released from their obligations as jurors. They've been free to talk to other people, read whatever they want, watch whatever TV show they want. And they've decided to write books and try and, apparently, from what I've heard, approach movie producers.
So I have grave questions about what they're saying now.
COOPER: They both say they were suspicious of the testimony of Debbie Rowe, Michael Jackson's ex-wife, a prosecution witness. They say that -- or one of the guys says that he thinks she changed her tune, and I quote, "through promises, promises that she was going to be able to see her children more."
Were promises made to Debbie Rowe?
MESEREAU: None that I know of, and none that anybody on my team has ever heard of. See, these people are now speculating, they're speculating about all sorts of improprieties that they never thought about when they were deliberating with the other jurors.
Both of them registered not guilty verdicts 14 times, not five, not 10, 14, 10 felony counts and four lesser included misdemeanor counts. And they stated in open court to Judge Melville that this was their verdict. So I really question what they're doing. I think it's absurd.
COOPER: Debbie Rowe was fighting a custody battle with Michael Jackson before the testimony. That's now been dropped. How'd that happen?
MESEREAU: You say it's been dropped. I'm not his lawyer in that case, and I don't know what's been dropped. I've been told there've been settlement discussions, they've been quite amicable. And that's the last I've heard about it.
COOPER: Do you know if they've reached a settlement?
MESEREAU: I really don't know. I know they were close to one. I knew they were talking about one. And I think they were both operating in a very amicable way. But I really don't know.
COOPER: When asked why these two jurors switched their votes to not guilty, Elly Cook, one of them, basically says she was intimidated by the foreman, Paul Rodriguez. She says that Rodriguez told her, and I quote, "If I could not change my mind or go with a group or be more understanding, he would have to notify the bailiff, the bailiff would have to notify the judge, and the judge would have me removed."
She's basically saying it was more important for her to stay on the jury than it was to protect a child. If she really believed the evidence showed Jackson was guilty, would there be any justification for voting otherwise?
MESEREAU: She's not making any sense. You know, this is a mature, frankly from what I can see, a pretty nice person. I think she's suddenly become misguided in what she's saying or and what's she doing.
She, again, said not guilty 14 times. She then gave some press interviews and said she looked for the proof and couldn't find it. She appeared on "LARRY KING" long after the verdict with the other jurors, and they all seemed to be acting in a very cooperative, friendly way.
All of a sudden, now while she's on the verge of writing a book, apparently, she changes her tune. It's very suspicious and very embarrassing. I don't think these people realize how bad they look, because even people who were siding with the prosecution during this trial are making fun of these two jurors.
COOPER: Well, she's apparently marketing some t-shirt with -- I guess she's trademarked some slogan that she came up with. Her book, I guess, is going to be called "Guilty as Sin, Free as a Bird." This other guy has a book called "The Deliberator," I guess, coming out.
I mean, you're basically saying they're lying. Can you take action against them? Would you?
MESEREAU: No. I have no intention of taking action against them. And I don't know what motivates them. I don't know why, you know, two months later, they've suddenly decided it's in their interest to run to a lot of TV shows and go against what they said in the jury room...
COOPER: If there's a...
MESEREAU: ... and what they said in open court.
COOPER: If there's a civil trial against Michael Jackson, do these jurors play a role? Could they?
MESEREAU: No, no role whatsoever. Their job was done when they were released from jury duty. For five months, they were not allowed to talk to anyone about the case. They were not allowed to watch any TV shows or read any books or magazines or newspapers about the case. And approximately two months ago, all those restrictions dissolved. They were released from jury duty. Judge Melville thanked them for the service they had rendered, and I do think they did it honorably, and I think they've carefully deliberated with their fellow jurors, and with everyone in the jury room. It couldn't have been that bad because they never complained.
COOPER: Thomas Mesereau, appreciate you joining us.
Want to take a look at what happened inside that jury room from another perspective. Joining me by phone from Crestview, Florida, former Jackson juror Melissa Herard. Appreciate you being with us.
Melissa, you've heard what these other two jurors were saying. Was the -- was the -- that jury room, was it so contentious?
MELISSA HERARD, FORMER JACKSON JUROR: At some points, it was, because they had, you know, Ray and Ellie and Kat did portray that they did feel that Michael Jackson was guilty.
COOPER: Were they intimidated by Paul Rodriguez, the foreman?
HERARD: No, nobody was intimidated by anybody. You know, we were all adults in there.
COOPER: Were they told that the bailiff would be called, and that they would be thrown off the jury if they continued to say that Jackson was guilty?
HERARD: No. What they were told is that -- that if we could not come up with a unanimous decision and stuff, then Paul was instructed by the judge to -- we'd have to let the bailiff know, and then the bailiff would let the judge know that we were at a standstill, waiting further instructions from the judge.
And they just never, you know, especially Ellie, she -- that -- I'm so upset with them that they're doing this now. And if they felt that strongly, then they should have, you know, stayed their stand. But they couldn't show us. We asked them if you believe he is so guilty, here's the room full of evidence. Would you please go in there and show us where it shows that he's guilty? Because we went through all of it, and not one thing pointed towards his guilt.
COOPER: Well, that's -- that's what Hultman said at the time, that the evidence simply wasn't there. Tom Mesereau is still standing by. Tom, you're listening in. Comments?
MESEREAU: Yes. Remember, by law, jurors have an obligation and are ordered by the trial judge to deliberate. They must discuss the case with their fellows jurors in a cooperative, good faith manner. And if they refuse to, they can be thrown off the jury for not deliberating.
So if the foreperson in this case was concerned about their refusal to discuss or cooperate, he would have had a valid point. And appellate courts have upheld the dismissal of jurors who refuse to deliberate with their fellow jurors.
COOPER: Melissa, do you feel like these two jurors violated their oath, essentially? I mean, they are claiming now that they voted other than what they believed?
HERARD: Well, I think Ellie, from the very beginning, even before the trial started, I think she had an agenda.
COOPER: What agenda?
HERARD: Because she -- agenda of writing a book, and everything, because we confronted her in the jury room at the end, and we -- one of the jurors asked her, "Ellie, are you writing a book?" And she turned around, she said, "Well, yes, I am. I'm 79 years old and I can do what the h I want to." And we confronted her. I said, you're not supposed to be, you know, doing any of this stuff, you know. And she's like, "Well, I'm not writing a book about the trial. I'm writing a memoir on my life."
COOPER: Melissa, how many jurors are writing books? Are you writing a book?
HERARD: No. We're not -- I haven't approached anybody, and I don't have nothing signed. I'm waiting until after our obligation of the 90 days is over.
COOPER: Melissa Herard, appreciate you joining us. And Thomas Mesereau, as well.
MESEREAU: I do appreciate it.
COOPER: Thanks very much.
Coming up next on 360, an attempted carjacking almost kills a music star. Do you know how to survive in the same situation? We're going to have some tips and his story.
Also ahead tonight, why do we all dream? You may be surprised by how much time we spend in a fantasy world. We're going to unlock the mysteries of our sleep adventures and answer. Send us your e-mails about what -- if you want your dreams analyzed by our expert. Oh, who is that creepy guy sleeping? Uh-oh, it's me. What do your dreams say about you? A dream expert is going to analyze mine and some of yours. Cnn.com/360. Click on the "instant feedback" link.
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COOPER: Tonight, Grammy Award winning singer, Marc Cohn, was supposed to perform in Lawrence, Kansas, but instead he is at home tonight recovering from a carjacking attempt that came within a millimeter of ending his life. CNN's Brooke Anderson has his story.
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BROOKE ANDERSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Singer/songwriter Marc Cohn is probably best known for this hit tune, "Walking in Memphis." The Grammy-winning Cohn is married to ABC News correspondent Elizabeth Vargas, and together, they have a 2-year-old son.
ELIZABETH VARGAS, ABC NEWS: It's Zachary. He's 2.
ANDERSON: By all appearances, a happy and successful life that took a nearly tragic turn Sunday night in Denver, when Cohn was shot in the head during an attempted carjacking as he was leaving a performance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The driver of the van tried to avoid him and go around him. At that point in time, Yacteen fired into the van, striking the driver, grazing his chin, and also causing some glass injury, and striking singer Marc Cohn in the temple.
ANDERSON: Miraculously, both Cohn and the driver of the vehicle survived, with only minor injuries. Cohn was treated at Denver Health Medical Center, where the bullet was removed from above his right temple.
So how did Cohn survive a gunshot to the head? Dr. Mauricio Migliata (ph), director of trauma surgery at NYU's Bellevue Medical Center, explains.
DR. MAURICIO MIGLIATA (ph): The more things the bullet hits or passes through, the lower the velocity, the speed of the bullet. And therefore, the less it will penetrate whatever it's hitting. Luckily in this case, it seemed to go through various things, such as glass, and then grazed off of another person, enough so that it just basically superficially entered the skin.
ANDERSON: Police arrested this man, 26-year-old Joseph Yacteen, Monday night after a five-and-a-half-hour standoff. Yacteen is being held on suspicion of attempted murder and robbery.
Vargas, who rushed to Denver to be by Cohn's side, released this statement to CNN before returning to New York. "While he's obviously shaken by this experience, he is looking forward to returning home and eventually getting back to life as usual."
Vargas also said Cohn is expected to make a full recovery.
Brooke Anderson, CNN, Los Angeles.
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COOPER: Well, we certainly wish them both well. Marc Cohn very lucky. Ennis Cosby, of course, was not. He was the victim of one of the most infamous carjackings in recent memory; 27-year-old son of Bill Cosby was shot to death during a 1997 carjacking in L.A. His killer was sentenced to life in prison.
Every year, thousands of Americans are victimized by this violent and random crime. There are ways, however, to avoid being carjacked. Joining us from Denver to take us through them is Marc MacYoung, an expert on personal safety.
Mark, thanks for being with us. Help us out. You're in your car, you're stopped at a light. How do you protect yourself from a carjacking?
MARC MACYOUNG, PERSONAL SAFETY EXPERT: Well, the first thing you need to realize is the things that will keep you safe are the things that you should be doing anyway. Number one: Wearing your seat belt. Number two: Having your car locked. These actually slow down the carjacker's attempt to get you out of your car. He will often look up and see the seat belt and choose to go after somebody who doesn't have a seat belt on instead. Now the other thing you can do...
COOPER: You should also keep a distance from the car in front of you, correct?
MACYOUNG: Correct and that's what you should have, anytime you come in, you should be able to see the tires of the car up in front of you. That gives you the ability to maneuver out of there very quickly. That's something that if you pull up too closely, you're not going to be able to maneuver, so you'll have no way to get out.
Now, everybody who's been shot at and has survived by these guys, have discovered a very important thing: It's hard to get accurate aim as you're dodging a car that's trying to run you over. So, that's another useful thing to know about being able to maneuver and floor it. COOPER: Now, most carjackings occur not when you're inside your car, but when you're outside your car, when you're just approaching it. Do you have any safety tips if you're on the outside?
MACYOUNG: Correct. Correct. Most carjackings occur in parking lots. So, what you have to do is to learn to walk out of a building, look around. See if there's some shady looking characters. If you don't like them -- if you see somebody that you don't like, go back in, get an escort.
As you enter a parking area, look around. Also, as you approach your vehicle, you need to look around and make sure that nobody's following you. As you get into your car, look around again, make sure that nobody is close enough to you that they could rush up, grab you or take your keys or put a gun in your face. So, really...
COOPER: What about fighting back? I mean...
MACYOUNG: I don't advise that. And the reason I don't advise that is that criminals are professionals. This guy has come and he's ready to commit violence on you. He's pointing a gun, you know, right here and he's there prepared. And if the guy gets the drop on you if your awareness has failed, my advice to you is to very simply give them your keys.
COOPER: All right. Mark MacYoung, appreciate you joining us. Good advice there in case you carjacked. Thanks very much, Mark.
We don't hear about them very often, carjackings, but they happen frequently. Here are some other facts on carjackings in a "360 Download."
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COOPER (voice-over): According to the Justice Department, there are about 34,000 carjacking incidents a year. Most involve weapons like guns and knives, but only about a quarter of them result in injuries and they're mostly minor.
As for murders, there are fewer than 15 a year and in nearly 80 percent of carjackings, the car. or at least some of its contents, are recovered. So, where do carjackings happen? Overwhelmingly in urban areas, most within five miles of the victim's home him.
The majority of carjackers are African-American men. So too are their victims. One more point: People with a household income under $50,000 a year are the most likely to be carjacked.
Here's some good news, though: The number of incidents is going down. Victims are fighting back: Fully two-thirds of the targets resist, some by attacking their would-be assailants, others by calling for help and running away.
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COOPER: Well, coming up next on 360: The anatomy of dreams. How your body reacts to your thoughts while you're sleeping.
Plus, we want to hear from you. Send us your dreams in an e-mail for analysis from a dream expert. Logon to our Web site CNN.COM/360, click on the instant feedback link and keep them clean, folks.
We'll be right back.
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COOPER: We're going to begin our special report on dreams in just a moment, but first, Erica Hill from "HEADLINE NEWS" joins us with the day's other top stories -- Erica?
ERICA HILL, "HEADLINE NEWS": Hey, Anderson.
The Army, we're learning, has relieved a four-star general with no real explanation here, although a senior official says sexual misconduct was involved. General Kevin P. Byrnes was rank third in seniority among the Army's 11 four-star generals. He was actually near retirement.
Army officials say Byrnes had been the subject of a Defense Department investigation into alleged sexual misconduct. It's pretty unusual for a four-star general to receive disciplinary action.
In Columbus, Ohio, a sniper pleads guilty. Twenty-nine-year-old Charles McCoy today, admitting to shooting at vehicles traveling along an Ohio highway two years ago, killing one woman. Now, in exchange for the plea, McCoy was spared the death penalty and was sentenced to 27 years in prison.
In Washington, the Federal Reserve did it again: Raising a key interest rate by a quarter of a percentage point for the tenth consecutive time. Now, the fed plans to continue hiking that rate to keep inflation at bay. The move was expected on Wall Street, amid signs that the economy is relatively strong.
And near Atlanta, Georgia, runaway bride Jennifer Wilbanks becoming something of a lawn mowing pro. Wearing a baseball cap with a slogan "Life is Good," Wilbanks cut grass outside a government building. All part of her sentence for lying to police about her disappearance in April. She's not running away from her work though, Anderson, she's already completed 24 of her required 120 hours of service.
COOPER: She was wearing a hat that said, "Life is Good?"
HILL: Yes. And it's funny because when I first saw it on the news earlier today when I was at home, I had the sound off and I saw that and I thought: I wonder if it was intentional?
COOPER: Let's just look at my favorite mug shot of all time. Let's take a look -- That's not the mug shot.
HILL: That's not the mug shot.
COOPER: I thought we had the mug shot. Well, that's a pretty good shot.
HILL: It captured the part that you like the best about the pictures though, didn't it?
COOPER: I don't know what you're referring to, but...
HILL: The peepers.
COOPER: Erica Hill, thanks very much. See you again in about 30 minutes.
All this week on 360, we're going to be investigating the mysterious world of dreams. I don't know about you, but I'm fascinated by dreams. You know, all of us dream every night. You probably didn't know this, but on average, we dream up to five different dreams every single night.
Often, we can't understand the dreams or even remember them, but we wanted to know why. Tonight, we asked 360 M.D., Sanjay Gupta, to tell us exactly what are dreams?
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COOPER: And that was the psychedelic-est (sic) piece I've ever seen. How about that? That was like: Woo!
Obviously, we had some problem with the video. We'll take a short break, try to get it worked out and we'll dream on. Be right back.
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COOPER: Before we start the dream series, let's find out what is coming up at the top of the hour on "PAULA ZAHN NOW." Hey, Paula.
PAULA ZAHN, HOST, "PAULA ZAHN NOW": Well, this one isn't about dreams. It's about reality. Tonight, Anderson, we're going to give you something to think about the next time you try to get on a plane.
After you've gone through all the lines and the security checks, there's a good chance that something in the cargo bay just below your feet probably didn't get checked at all.
Join me at the top of the hour for a CNN investigation that reveals some unbelievable holes in airline security. Something you don't want to think about when you fly, but unfortunately, we do have to confront it.
COOPER: Yes. It's so disturbing to hear. That's about eight minutes form now. Paula, thanks. .
We're going to continue. We're try to get a kick-start to our dream series. It's starting off really well, don't you think? Tonight, Gary Tuchman is going to take a look at prophetic dreams, dreams that -- about things that may come true. Let's take a look.
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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Bed time is often a tense time for Shae Knorr (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are lots of times that I dread going to sleep at night and I get stressed out about it.
TUCHMAN: The Redman, Washington, woman, married with three children, says she has visions while she sleeps that sometimes come true. Visions that are often nightmares.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm scared that I'll have a dream about something that I need to do something about and I'm not going to know what it is.
TUCHMAN: But she says she did know what to do on a fall morning last year. A 17-year-old girl named Laura Hatch, who is friends with her daughter had been missing for eight days. Shea Knorr (ph) claims she had a prophetic dream; a vision.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was an intersection. It was just like a picture of an intersection.
TUCHMAN: She says she had the same dream two more times that night and then another.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the fourth dream was not of an intersection. It was actually of a little rabbit. The rabbit in "Alice in Wonderland" and he's just going," Keep going. Keep going."
TUCHMAN (on camera): The rabbit was telling you that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:Yes, he was telling me to, "Keep going. Keep going."
TUCHMAN (voice-over): Shea and her daughter Beth-Anne (ph) got into the car that morning and drove to a busy corner in Redman.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is it. This is the intersection where we turned (INAUDIBLE).
TUCHMAN (on camera): This is the intersection you dreamed about?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I dreamed about this same intersection three times.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): But nothing was there. So, they continued to drive and then Shea claims a feeling came over her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And so as we get up here, is when I told Beth-Anne (ph) that, you know, this is the way Laura came.
TUCHMAN: They got out of the car and Shea started sliding down a steep wooded ravine; about 200 feet down. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm holding on to the tree and as I hold on to the tree, Beth-Anne (ph) says, "Keep Going. Keep going."
TUCHMAN (on camera): And in your dream, the rabbit was telling you that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): And then, by all accounts, they found what they were looking for.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I hollered for my daughter, who was up at the main road and I told her to call 9-1-1. That we found the car.
OPERATOR: What color is the vehicle?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's a blue 1996 Toyota Camry.
OPERATOR: Do you know if there's any injuries? Do you know if there is someone inside?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. She's been missing for a week. Mom, is she in there? We don't know. I can't hear my mom.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): Trapped in the wreckage: Laura Hatch, badly hurt and dehydrated, but alive. The seventeen-year-old has since recovered. She stayed out of the public eye, appearing only once on television, on a talk show in Seattle.
LAURA HATCH, MISSING PERSON: I don't really remember being rescued. I'm not sure I'd want to. The condition was really poor at that point. I mean, when I got to the hospital, they were still completely uncertain if I would live.
TUCHMAN: The rescue and the alleged vision and dream got plenty of attention all over the world.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Keep going, keep going.
TUCHMAN: The local sheriff's office says it's incredible Laura Hatch survived the accident, but Sergeant John Erkheart (ph) says there is substantial skepticism about Shea's dream claim.
(on camera): Is it the professional opinion of the King County sheriff's office that a dream could help locate a missing person.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The sheriff's office does not believe and does not use psychics in their investigations. We have found in the past that they are of no value.
TUCHMAN: As far as the authorities go, this case is closed. There is no allegations of any crime. So, there is no police investigation about what is true and what might not be true.
(voice-over) Most experts do say so-called visions are usually deceptions or coincidence. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are lots of reasons to be skeptical. I mean, there's no proof that they exist. There are lots of anecdotes and people will not be dissuaded by anything I say about the validity of an anecdote.
TUCHMAN: But a retired New York City murder detective, who has written several books for police officers, says he used visionaries when he was on the force, saying one person correctly told him previously unknown details about the savage beating of a nun.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think if the chief of detectives knew what I was doing, I'd probably of lost my command, but I didn't tell him. But that's why I'm a good murder cop.
TUCHMAN (on camera): You can understand how there are people out there, not just the police, but people out there who are watching this and saying, "man, this is just a bunch of...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Crazy.
TUCHMAN: ... Gobbledy-gook.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I understand. In fact, you know, there are people in my family that don't understand it. You know and I respect that. There are a lots of times that it scares me.
TUCHMAN: But you don't doubt it for a second?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't doubt it for a second.
TUCHMAN (voice-over): She keeps a daily dream journal. Most of the dreams make no sense to her.
(on camera): What did you just write down about what you dreamed last night?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I was dreaming about a water tower. About the water tower.
TUCHMAN: Shea Knorr (ph) says she feels the burden to analyze all of them in case there's another life to save.
Gary Tuchman, CNN, Redman, Washington.
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COOPER: We've been getting so many e-mails tonight from you about your dreams, we're going to have to address most of them tomorrow night.
Joining me right now though, dream analyst Lauri Quinn Loewenberg, founder of TheDreamZone.com (ph) and author of "So What Did You Dream Last Night." Laurie, thanks for being with us.
LAURI QUINN LOEWENBERG, DREAM ANAYLST: Thanks for having me. COOPER: Let's talk about the five most common dreams. You say the number one dream is falling. We've been getting a lot of e-mails from viewers about that. What does that mean?
LOEWENBERG: Well, you know, whether it's plummeting off a cliff in your car or free-falling through the air like Tom Cruise in "Vanilla Sky, " we all get the falling dream and when you get this dream, it's a good indication that you're having a fear of failure in your life, that something is going in the wrong direction, like falling, because that's what falling is...
COOPER: Next...
LOEWENBERG: ... And the message...
COOPER: I'm sorry. Go ahead.
LOEWENBERG: Go ahead. The message of this dream is to hang in there, red alert, it's time to redirect this issue. You've got to turn it around. We want to be going up in our dreams, not down.
COOPER: So, you believe that dreams are actually sending you a message and that's why it's important to try to analyze them?
LOEWENBERG: Absolutely. You know, we figure things out while we're dreaming, hence the term, "let me sleep on it." You know, we solve our problems in our sleep.
COOPER: Let me talk about the next most common dream: Being chased. We got a lot of viewer e-mail about that. What -- is that just anxiety?
LOEWENBERG: Well, no, actually, when we're being chased by a dream -- chased in our dreams, it's a good indication that we are avoiding something in waking life.
You know, sometimes we're chased by shadowy creatures, sometimes it's something like a propeller plane, like in the movie "North By Northwest," that was chasing Cary Grant. We'll get being-chased dreams when we're avoiding something in waking life, when we're procrastinating, when there's some sort of issue or confrontation we don't want to face.
Essentially, we're running from it and this dream is letting you know, you can run, but you cannot hide. You have got to face this, deal with it, nip it in the bud and when you do, this dream stops. It has no reason to come back.
COOPER: We're going to talk more about dreams tomorrow and take a look at some of our viewers' dreams. Bottom line though, if people want to remember their dreams more, what do you recommend?
LOEWENBERG: The best thing you can do for yourself is when you wake up in the morning, don't jump out of bed and start your day. Remain in the same position you woke up in, because the position you wake up in is the position you were dreaming in and if you move, you're going to disconnect your memory of the dream.
So, stay in that same position, give yourself about 90 seconds, because that's how long the dream is going to remain before it fades away. Give yourself 90 seconds, quiet your mind, let the dream come back to you and whatever you remember, even if it's a tiny piece, write it down.
COOPER: Write it down. All right, Lauri...
LOEWENBERG: Yes, because you'll forget it after breakfast if you don't.
COOPER: I always do. Lauri, thanks very much.
LOEWENBERG: Thanks.
COOPER: That's it for 360 tonight. More on dreams tomorrow. "PAULA ZAHN NOW" is next -- Paula?
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