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President Obama's Message to Muslims; California Beach House Murder Mystery

Aired June 04, 2009 - 22:00   ET


ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Tonight: Can President Obama reboot our relationship with a billion people, many of whom don't trust us, some of whom are trying to kill us?

His message today to Muslims around the world -- tonight, insight on what he said, what, crucially, he did not say, and, vital to Americans and America's role in the world, how his message is being heard right now by Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Also tonight, did somebody have it in for the California couple that seemingly had it all? Who murdered a husband and a pregnant wife while one of their kids slept and the other watched "American Idol"? Police want your help in solving a crime with few leads, but plenty of heartache -- "Crime & Punishment" tonight.

We begin, though, with President Obama's speech. It happened at Cairo University today. One -- it's a speech he's reportedly been thinking about since the campaign, one he had a major role in writing and revising, even aboard Air Force One on the flight over.

It does not, in its entirety, use the word terrorism at all, a departure from the language of President Bush, certainly. It does, however, condemn, in no uncertain terms, violent extremism within Islam, promises to fight it, and calls on Muslims to do the same.

We are going to have more in a moment on the significance of what he said and didn't say with our panel, David Gergen, along with regional experts Robin Wright, Mohsin Hamid. Also, Christiane Amanpour will join us.

First, an extended portion of the president's speech.



BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have come here to Cairo to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world, one based on mutual interest and mutual respect, and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition.

Instead, they overlap and share common principles, principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

I do so recognizing that change cannot happen overnight. I know there's been a lot of publicity about this speech, but no single speech can eradicate years of mistrust nor can I answer in the time that I have this afternoon all the complex questions that brought us to this point.

But I am convinced that in order to move forward, we must say openly to each other the things we hold in our hearts and that too often are said only behind closed doors. There must be a sustained effort to listen to each other, to learn from each other, to respect one another, and to seek common ground.

As the holy Koran tells us, "Be conscious of God and speak always the truth."

I'm a Christian. But my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and at the fall of dusk.

As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith.


OBAMA: So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.


OBAMA: But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America. Just as...


OBAMA: Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire.

America's strong bonds with Israel are well-known. This bond is unbreakable. It is based upon cultural and historical ties and the recognition that the aspiration for a Jewish homeland is rooted in a tragic history that cannot be denied.

Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries. And anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented holocaust.

Denying that fact is baseless. It is ignorant, and it is hateful.

Threatening Israel with destruction or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews is deeply wrong and only serves to evoke in the minds of the Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve. On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people, Muslims and Christians, have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than 60 years, they have endured the pain of dislocation.

Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations, large and small, that come with occupation.

So let there be no doubt, the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. And America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.


OBAMA: The only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security.



COOPER: The president in Cairo.

We are going to be playing throughout this hour more extended clips of the president's remarks today. He's in Germany right now, where he's going to tour the Buchenwald concentration camp, then head to France for the 65th anniversary of D-Day.

And, as we mentioned, we have a panel of experts, David Gergen, Christiane Amanpour, and others.

Also, only on CNN, correspondents getting the facts on the ground from around the world, reaction right now in Jerusalem, Pakistan and Iraq. Take a look.


PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Paula Hancocks in Jerusalem.

A pretty good start, but what comes next? This was the main impression we got from both the Israeli and the Palestinian street. Many Israelis I spoke to said that they were pleasantly surprised by Mr. Obama's speech. There was a real fear here that, by any move towards the Muslim world, the U.S. was moving away from Israel.

Some of the quotes from people I spoke to, the speech was even- handed, it was balanced, and he also struck an emotional note when talking about the Holocaust and his upcoming visit to the Buchenwald concentration camp.

But it is impossible to please everyone in this region, and Israeli settlers were not pleased after, once again, Mr. Obama called for an immediate freeze on all settlement activity. The Yesha Council of settlers called this speech more Hussein than Barack.

As for the Palestinians, the main impression was, so far, so good, but much more detail is needed. For example, they want to know how the U.S. is going to stop Israel from increasing their settlement activity. And, also, we were asked, why did the U.S. president mention Palestinian rockets hitting Israeli civilians, but did not mention the Israeli military operation in Gaza at the start of this year, which killed more than 1,000 Palestinians, some of them also civilians?



REZA SAYAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Here in Pakistan, people were looking for President Barack Obama to rebuild some of that lost trust, and ease some of that harsh rhetoric, and offer a strategy that's different from military power. They also wanted to see an end to those controversial U.S. missile strikes on Pakistani soil from unmanned drones.

The people here got some of what they were looking for, but not all. When it comes to extremism, the president stood tough, saying, unequivocally, extremists are in Pakistan, determined to kill as many American soldiers as possible, the president saying, America will not back down. Also, no mention of those U.S. missile strikes, so expect those to continue.

But here's where the president tried to separate himself from the previous administration, reminding the audience of $7.5 billion in proposed non-military aid, that money designed to build schools, create jobs, and build roads. This was a president that was attempting to strike a difficult balance, of standing tough, but, at the same time, reaching out to convince Pakistanis that this administration is different.




President Obama had already made strong commitments to the people of Iraq. Today, they were satisfied to hear him reaffirm those. He promised to respect Iraq's sovereignty, to have all troops gone by 2012, and to make no claim to either this country's territory or its resources. He said, America is a partner to Iraq, not a patron.

It's all established policy, but Iraq's government said it was very happy to hear him declare that again in Cairo. On the streets of Baghdad, people say they can't get their country back soon enough.

More broadly, President Obama's forceful language calling for a Palestinian state found strong support here. The Iraqi government said, the president shows he understands why some Muslims around the world are angry and open to exploitation by violent extremists. And it said, his use of verses from the Koran should improve America's image with Muslims everywhere.


COOPER: Reaction from around the world tonight.

We're going to be playing, as I said, extended portions of President Obama's speech throughout this hour. So, if you missed it, you can watch it now. Later, visit our Web site,, where you can see the entire speech from beginning to end.

And, while you're there, join the live chat. Let us know what you think of the president's address and other stories at

Up next: our panel on the "Raw Politics" of today's speech, both here and abroad. Some very high expectations, did Mr. Obama meet them? We will talk to our panelists ahead.

And, later, "Crime & Punishment" -- a family that seemed to have it all. Then the nightmare began, a husband and pregnant wife murdered, seemingly without rhyme or reason, so many questions, so few answers. Police want your help tonight.

And Scott Roeder speaking out, accused of gunning down a -- a doctor who provided abortions, gunning down this man in church in front of his wife, charged with first-degree murder, and now he says he's shocked -- shocked -- because people are treating him like a criminal. See what else he said about his political motivations -- when 360 continues.


COOPER: We're talking tonight about President Obama's message to Muslims around the world, as he put it, not the Muslim world, Mr. Obama recognizing the diversity of the Muslim community and the richness of his own upbringing, partly in Indonesia.

But, for all the pleasantries, this was a very tough message, calls to renounce violence, embrace tolerance, and accept a continued American military presence on Muslim soil.



OBAMA: Make no mistake, we do not want to keep our troops in Afghanistan. We see no military -- we seek no military bases there. It is agonizing for America to lose our young men and women. It is costly and politically difficult to continue this conflict.

We would gladly bring every single one of our troops home if we could be confident that there were not violent extremists in Afghanistan and now Pakistan determined to kill as many Americans as they possibly can. But that is not yet the case. (END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: More now on the speech, the "Raw Politics," both overseas and here at home, with senior political analyst David Gergen, chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour, also journalist Robin Wright, author of "Dreams and Shadows: The Future of the Middle East," and Pakistani author and political commentator Mohsin Hamid.

Thanks, all, for being with us.

Christiane -- first of all, I am going to ask all of you quick impressions of the speech -- Christiane.

CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A total tonal shift, was humble, talked about the Koran, did not apologize, injected an air of even-handedness in the key issue that galvanizes the Islamic world, which is the Palestinian issue, even- handedness there, according to the reviews, talked about democracy for the young people of the Islamic world.

They were very keen to hear that the United States would stand behind the -- the people, be on the side of the people. And he did not use the word terror. People are fed up in the Muslim world of being associated just with terror. You remember the war on terror equaled the war on Islam. And people say they were very pleased that they -- he shattered that stereotype and didn't talk about terror in that speech.

COOPER: David Gergen?

DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Anderson, there was no way he could quite reach the summit with this speech. He couldn't please everyone. We're hearing a lot of nitpicking on aspects of the speech.

But, overall, it was the most powerful and the most persuasive speech any American president has ever made to the Muslim populations around the world, perhaps back of his background.

COOPER: Wait a minute. The most powerful -- the most powerful and...

GERGEN: And persuasive.

COOPER: ... and most persuasive ever, you say, to the Muslim world?

GERGEN: Ever by -- by -- yes, by any American president to the -- to the Muslim populations around the world.

And that's in part because of who he is, but it's also in part because of the thoughtfulness of the speech, the fact that he is able to walk in other people's shoes as well as he does because of his own sense of, you know, he's a melting pot all in himself.

And he's able to understand other cultures. And he speaks honestly and like an adult. He's seeking -- it's a bold attempt to see if he can find a middle ground, a common ground, if you would, across cultures, that, instead of a clash of civilizations, can we find a common ground among civilizations?

Of course, it's going to have to be followed up by hard work, but I think he's begun to change the landscape, the emotional landscape, in which the work takes place. I think Christiane was right in the way she characterized it as well.

COOPER: Robin Wright, a change in landscape, also, certainly, as Christiane said, a big change in language.

ROBIN WRIGHT, DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENT, "THE WASHINGTON POST": Yes, and I think you -- what was very striking was his emphasis on soft power, not hard power, on partnership, rather than patronage, on engagement, rather than intervention.

He redefined America's relationship. And this will restore -- or begin to restore, anyway -- a lot of the credibility that the United States has lacked over the last particularly eight years.

The problem is, of course, that the hard part begins now. Now that he has spent the first four months in office reaching out in a series of messages to individual countries and to the Islamic world generally, he now has to prove his bona fides. And that will, in some ways, ironically, begin with what he does on Israel, not necessarily how that begins with his actions toward the 57 Muslim countries.

COOPER: Mohsin, Mohsin Hamid?

MOHSIN HAMID, PAKISTANI AUTHOR: Well, I agree that it was a -- a very important shift. And I think, in tone, it was extremely promising.

The challenge is going to be on action. And, there, the -- the tough line on Israeli settlements is very positive. But other actions are -- will be more confusing. I think President -- President Obama is hemmed in by a bit of a challenge, which is that the United States champions both human equality and national greatness at the same time.

And, in many Muslim-majority countries, there's a feeling that, in the pursuit of America's national greatness, it's been willing to deny the equality of people outside its borders.

COOPER: Let's talk about some of the specifics.

Christiane, you mentioned it. He did not use the word terror. That's being picked up by a lot of people, particularly conservatives very critical of the president, saying, how can you have a 55-minute speech to the Muslim world and not use the word terror, terrorism?

AMANPOUR: Well, he chose not to do that. He chose -- and he has -- his policy has been not to use this term war on terror. And he's -- on the other hand, he did say that they would fight extremists.

He -- the clip that we just played talked about how there are still those militants and extremists, and the United States is still engaged against them.

I didn't write his speech. I don't know what goes on in -- in his head. But I certainly know what the people in the Islamic world say. In all those countries which I visited, where there are wars or not, they are fed up with being completely and -- and monolithically associated with terror.

Perhaps that was what was going through the president's mind when he chose not to use that word. But I agree with Mohsin Hamid, as well, and Robin. The real hard work is to come. And the real question is whether this is the beginning of just a tonal and image shift, which is going to be good, which will be good and necessary, or whether this president will really expend the political capital. Now that he's attracted so much political capital around the world, will he expend it on the massively hard work of the Israel/Palestine situation, of reaching out to Iran, of finishing Iraq and -- and Afghanistan?

COOPER: And -- and, David Gergen, without progress on the Israeli/Palestinian issue, can there be -- overall, can the president say to have succeeded anywhere in the Muslim world? I mean, isn't that the core issue...

GERGEN: Oh, I...

COOPER: ... at -- at -- at the heart of all of this?

GERGEN: That is the core -- yes, that is the core issue, Anderson, but it's also true that, if he can successfully withdraw from Iraq without Iraq falling apart, if he can demonstrate that we do not want bases in Iraq, if he can, in fact, help to build a nation state of some sort of stability in Afghanistan that -- which would be a miracle, those kind of things are also going to be important.

If he can, in fact, find a way to negotiate with Iran, that would also be important in the Muslim world. So, I think there are other fronts. But there's no question that, in the minds of many, many Muslims in the Middle East, Israel and Palestine come first.

But, to go to Christiane's point, Christiane, my sense is that, by giving the speech, he forces his own administration to engage much more heavily than if he hadn't given the speech, because he raises the standard for himself and for everybody else around him, so that I think he has no choice but now to follow through.

I think he's created, in effect, a path that he has to follow.

COOPER: We have -- we have got to take a break.

Christiane will respond. We will have more from Robin Wright and -- and Mohsin as well. Stay with us -- also David Gergen.

More reaction to the speech tonight from around the world and from our panelists. Also, go to Let us know what you think -- the live chat happening now.

People on the streets in Afghanistan, Iraq, Turkey weighing in for us also our blog. You can read their responses.

Coming up next: some new details about what a Muslim convert experienced overseas that might have turned him against the U.S. His family says he was brainwashed.

Also tonight, a tragedy and mystery -- the death of movie star and television icon David Carradine. We will tell you what police know in just a moment.

And, later, you're used to seeing Nazis in black and white. Tonight, we will show you never-before-seen photos of some of history's worst people in color. It is intensely creepy how much more modern it all looks. But you will only see it if you stay up with us, some new pictures of Adolf Hitler you have never seen before, in color.

We will be right back.


COOPER: A young boy may be the best hope of finding his parents' killer in a crime that has an exclusive oceanfront community on edge. We're going to have more on this murder mystery ahead.

But, first, Erica Hill has a 360 bulletin.

ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, there are new details tonight about the man charged with killing a U.S. soldier three days ago.

We now know the Muslim convert who legally changed his name to Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad in March 2006 while living in Nashville, then traveled to Yemen in 2007 to teach English. His family claims he was brainwashed while in prison for an expired visa and returned home a changed man.

Investigators are now looking at the possibility that speed sensors on Air France Flight 447 may have failed, causing the Airbus A-330 to break apart in a violent storm over the Atlantic. Two hundred and twenty-eight people were killed.

Federal regulators today charging the former CEO of Countrywide Financial with fraud and insider trading -- they claim Angelo Mozilo and two other former executives lied to investors about how much risk the mortgage lender was taking on.

New concerns over recycling rubber used to cushion the new White House playground and hundreds of other playgrounds and sports fields across the country -- the Associated Press reporting the Environmental Protection Agency is now investigating potential health risks of chemicals in the rubber materials. They say they just don't have enough information.

And "LIFE" magazine the 65th anniversary of D-Day with never- before-seen photographs of Adolf Hitler. Hitler apparently was enthusiastic about cars, liked to have his driver race down roads at high speeds, but, after the war began, forbade his chauffeur from driving faster than 35 miles an hour.

Another photo shows Hitler watching military maneuvers in the spring of 1940.

Wild stuff.

COOPER: It's so creepy to see that all in color.

All right, Erica.

Still ahead: much more on President Obama's message to Muslims. He covered a range of issues, hit a lot of different notes. Our live panel joins us again just ahead.

Also, this baffling murder mystery that has left two young kids orphans and stolen a beachside community's sense of security -- police now counting on a 9-year-old boy to try to help solve his parents' murder.

Plus, a major shakeup in star power -- Oprah losing her number- one spot on "Forbes"' most-powerful-celebrities list. Coming up, we will tell you who they claim has more clout.

I have my doubts. We will talk about that ahead.


COOPER: In Cairo today, President Obama extended a hand to the Islamic world in a speech unprecedented in tone and content -- a tricky bit of business, no doubt about it. On one hand, he wanted to present himself as the new face of American leadership. On the other, he needed to defend core American values, including democracy.

Take a look.


OBAMA: I know there has been controversy about the promotion of democracy in recent years. And much of this controversy is connected to the war in Iraq. So let me be clear. No system of government can or should be imposed by one nation by any other.

America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election.

But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed, confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice, government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people, the freedom to live as you choose.

These are not just American ideas. They are human rights. And that is why we will support them everywhere.



COOPER: Well, the speech lasted 55 minutes, plenty to talk about.

Joining me again, Christiane Amanpour, David Gergen, Robin Wright, and Mohsin Hamid.

Mohsin, you know, what we just heard President Obama talk about is -- is probably key to this discussion, because, as much as he's promoting the idea of a partnership with the Muslim world, some of these governments are incredibly oppressive. He was talking in Cairo in Egypt, a government which obviously is an ally to the United States, but is -- is clearly oppressive. Thousands of people have been imprisoned there.

How did he do in terms of conveying the -- the message that, you know, "We're with you, but, frankly, object to some of how your governments treat your people"?

HAMID: Well, I think -- I think that is an issue.

I mean, going to Saudi Arabia and Egypt, among all Muslim countries, is problematic, from a democracy standpoint. And, also, the speech was very oriented towards the Middle East and Arab countries, and Iran in particular. But most Muslims live between Pakistan and Indonesia. Some south in Southeast Asia. And there the second great conflict involving Muslim-majority countries -- one is Israel and Palestine. The other is, of course, in Indian and Pakistan over Kashmir. And that conflict went by pretty much unmentioned.

I think that the focus being on the Arab Middle East is important for, I guess, for a Cairo speech, but it does have a very limited audience in the broader Muslim world in the sense of excluding some other very important issues.

COOPER: Robin, it's also interesting -- I want to play a clip that's received some criticism from conservatives, some of what the president said about 9/11 and the reaction afterward. Let's listen.


OBAMA: Nine-eleven was an enormous trauma to our country. The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable. But in some cases it led us to act contrary to our traditions and our ideals.


COOPER: The president is referring to instances of torture. Some Republicans are saying this is part of an ongoing apology tour. Do you buy that?

WRIGHT: I thought the speech reflected an acknowledgment of some of the past American interventions in the Middle East with the Islamic world that are controversial, including the 1953 overthrow of a democratically-elected government in Iran. But I don't think it was the kind of apology tour that many Republicans had charged might be what he did when -- in Cairo. I think there was a different kind of tone.

But I do think that one of the most interesting things will be the reaction in the United States to this speech. And I think he is likely to face some criticism from Republicans who think that he's backtracking and not doing enough to kind of stand firm against extremism. The fact that he didn't use the word "terrorism" will probably resonate among Republicans to a certain degree.

COOPER: Well, David, the fact also that he didn't use the word "terrorism," that the Republicans already saying, look, he's blaming -- you hear this on right-wing radio now today and television, he's blaming America first. That that's what he did today. Do you buy that?

GERGEN: I don't buy that at all. And I think Robin's distinction between apologies -- which I think he has done too much of in the past, but he did not do in this speech -- a distinction between apologies and acknowledgment is a very important distinction. He just simply, as a factual matter, acknowledged that we did intervene in Iran in the early '50s. I mean, that's just a fact.

COOPER: Why not use the word "terrorism"? Is it wrong to call something what it is?

GERGEN: Well, you know, Anderson, when you -- as you well know, when people go see a psychiatrist and they've got problems, the psychiatrist often tells them, you've got to refrain what you're seeing. And I think he's trying to refrain the whole conversation about the Middle East and what the United States faces in foreign policy.

We've been looking at it through a lens of a war on terrorism now for the last several years. And he thinks that's a dead end, that it produces paralysis. He wants to change the conversation. I think it was very intentional that they did not talk about terrorism today. It goes back to Christiane's point at the beginning, and that is this speech did represent a major shift in emphasis in the conversation the United States is bringing to the rest of the world.

COOPER: Christiane, what comes next? What is the next step for the president?

AMANPOUR: Action and what actions will he take? Look, he also had to appeal to the hearts and minds of an extremely young Islamic world.

COOPER: Incredibly young. I mean, the majority of the population is under 18.

AMANPOUR: And in Iran two-thirds are under the age of 30. It really is an incredibly young part of the world. And they have aspirations. And I think people realize now that the idea of trying to reach that youth, that youthful population, is very important for any kind of hope of moving forward in a different strategic relationship with the Islamic world.

And look, everybody's going to be looking at, what does this president do about the Middle East peace process and the eventual solution thereto. What does he do about standing firm?

The same question you asked Mohsin and David, can the president of the United States actually support democracy at the same time being an ally of authoritarian and dictatorial governments?

What will he do about Iran? He said that he wants a new way forward. He wants to engage Iran. That's going to take a long and patient diplomacy. Is it just going to be framed in talking to see whether they can resolve the nuclear issue if they can't just put more sanctions on or worse? What is actually going to happen?

And that's what all the reviews that have come in today from all over the Middle East and the Islamic world, where they've been watching it live on television, have said it's good, it's change, it's positive, but we want to see action.

COOPER: All right. We're going to have to leave it there. Christiane Amanpour, David Gergen, Mohsin Hamid, Robin Wright, appreciate you all being on. Thank you very much. Good discussions.

GERGEN: Thank you.

COOPER: You can join the live chat. Join in the discussion online at right now. Let us know what you think.

Up next, a murder mystery that has turned a seaside community upside down. And it's just kind of hard to believe. A man invaded this couple's beach house, murdered them with their son in the next room, their daughter nearby. The question is, was it a random act of violence, or were they actually targeted? It's tonight's "Crime & Punishment" report, and police need your help.

Coming up then, the man accused of gunning down Dr. Tiller speaks out for the first time from jail. We're going to tell you what he has to say.

And answers from Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, a 300- page questionnaire covering everything from her membership in a controversial group to her net worth. Details ahead.


COOPER: Tonight a seaside gated community in California is in fear and on guard after a pregnant woman and her husband were stabbed to death inside their multimillion-dollar home. Now, the couple's young son saw the suspect and may be the best hope in finding the killer.

Dan Simon has the latest on this mystery in tonight's "Crime & Punishment" report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Faria Beach, California, population 300, the only real crime was petty theft. But now, after the stabbing murder of two prominent residents in this seaside town, neighbors are reaching for their guns.

ROBERT BIANCHI, NEIGHBOR: But last night, now, I took it out and started sleeping with it under my pillow again.

SIMON: Brock and Davina Husted were married for 13 years. They lived in this $3 million beach house with their 9-year-old son and 11- year-old daughter. Brock owned a successful wrought iron business. Davina, a former beauty queen, was expecting their third child.

JOHN HUSTED, BROTHER OF VICTIM: They never had to go to sleep with their eyes open or look over their shoulders. They trudged forward with their family and enjoyed life.

SIMON (on camera): This is the back of the house right on the beach. And police say the killer walked through that patio door, which had been left open. Right now investigators don't know if this was a targeted or a random attack.

(voice-over) That Wednesday night in the living room, as the couple's son watched the "American Idol" finale, police say the killer suddenly breezed by and walked a few steps into the kitchen.

CAPT. ROSS BONFIGLIO, VENTURA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: I have no information that the suspect tried to harm the children physically in any way. I mean, obviously, the emotional damage is tremendous.

SIMON: The boy would tell investigators the killer wore a dark or black jumpsuit and black motorcycle helmet. He hid during the confrontation. When it was over, authorities say he told them he found both of his parents dead in the master bedroom. They'd been stabbed repeatedly on their upper bodies.

He grabbed his sister, who had been asleep, and ran to a neighbor for help.

J. HUSTED: What keeps on coming into my mind is those kids that night. The horror they must have felt, the emptiness, the loneliness. That's -- I can't get that out of my head.

SIMON: Brock Husted's older brother says he has no idea wanted the couple dead.

(on camera) Do you think this was targeted or random?

J. HUSTED: My gut's telling me that -- I leave it open. I look at one aspect of it. And I said, you know, it's random, somebody's beach house, lights on. There's, you know, plenty of people walking through there. Transients, whatnot. And then I look at the other aspect, that it could be targeted.

SIMON (voice-over): At his parents' funeral, the boy who found his mom and dad dead struggles to help guide the caskets. Out of sensitivity, his face is not being shown. He and his sister are now staying with relatives as a seaside community lives with the knowledge that a killer is still on the loose.

Dan Simon, CNN, Faria Beach, California.


COOPER: Those poor kids. A heartbreaking story. A baffling mystery. Who would want to kill this couple? The family is desperate for answers. They want your help. In a moment I'll talk to one of Brock Husted's brothers about what he thinks may have happened inside the house.

Also tonight, an American actor, an American icon, David Carradine is found dead in Thailand. Shock over his death from family and fellow actors. We're going to have details of what we know at this point. Be right back.


COOPER: She was a former beauty queen. He was a successful business owner. They had two young kids and were expecting a third. Tonight, Brock and Davina Husted are being mourned. The couple was brutally attacked in their gated community home in California last month. Both were stabbed to death while their son was watching TV and their daughter was asleep nearby.

Now, police believe the killer was possibly wearing a black motorcycle helmet. They're not sure if the murders were random or if the couple were actually targeted. The crime has shocked the police, the community and, of course, their families.

Brock Husted's brother, Scott, joins me now.

Scott, first of all, I'm so sorry for your loss. How -- how are you doing? How are the kids doing?

SCOTT HUSTED, BROTHER OF VICTIM: Anderson, the kids are doing as well as can be expected. It's a bad situation. They are doing, again, as best as can be expected. I'm doing OK, but it's very tough.

COOPER: The little boy actually saw the man confront his mom in the kitchen. Is that right?

S. HUSTED: That's my understanding, yes.

COOPER: And he, obviously, was able to talk to police a little bit, and I guess that's how we have the description of the person in the motorcycle helmet. At this point are we any closer to understanding what happened?

S. HUSTED: Well, the Ventura County Sheriff's Department is conducting interviews on a daily basis. They -- the problem is, is that there's no obvious motive. And today we don't know of any obvious motive as to why this happened in the first place and to why it may have happened to them.

COOPER: What were Brock and Davina like?

S. HUSTED: They were great. They weren't flashy people. Brock was a lot of fun. I talked to him almost every day. He -- he was active. He went to the Laker games. He loved to hunt and fish and loved spending time with his kids. His mom was very traditional, stayed home with the kids most of the time. A few days a week she would go up to their shop to do some accounting. But in all - in most senses of the word, they were a very traditional family.

COOPER: And the kids, though, amazing that they had the presence of mind to figure out what was going on and run for help.

S. HUSTED: That's right. The kids -- well, one of the children were -- they were in the bedroom, and another one was in the living room. They saw a person enter the home, as you said, and that's accurate information. And then there was some activity which are consistent with a robbery, and then it turned into a murder.

COOPER: If someone out there is watching, I mean, there is someone out there who must know something about these murders of your brother, his wife and their unborn child. What do you want to say to them?

S. HUSTED: The message, I think, is that there's -- there's some people that know who did this. They have a tactical decision to make, and that is the information that they may be withholding is better to be put forth early, because as time goes on and the friends or other people that they know start suggesting or saying who did this, they become less likely to be considered an innocent party with information, and they become more considered someone who is a conspirator.

COOPER: If anyone does have information about the case, they can contact the Ventura County Sheriff's Department. We're going to put the number on the screen. It's 805-654-2382. That's 805-654-2382.

Scott Husted, I appreciate you being with us. I know it's a difficult thing to talk about, but it's an important thing to try to get the word out. We appreciate you being with us.

S. HUSTED: Anderson, thank you very much.

COOPER: For more details on the crime and possibly clues to the mystery, check out our blog on the story at

And a story we've been following all week, the murder of Dr. Tiller. Tonight, the accused killer speaks out from jail. We'll tell you what he now has to say.

And a shake-up on the "Forbes" list of most influential celebrities: Oprah, Angelina Jolie, Beyonce and Madonna. Which star do you think is on top? Find out what "Forbes" believes, ahead.

Also, the tragedy in Thailand. American actor David Carradine found dead. Details when we return.


COOPER: Coming up, my Twitter trouble. See what happened this morning on "Regis & Kelly." It's tonight's "Shot."

First Erica Hill has another "360 Bulletin" -- Erica.

ERICA HILL, CNN ANCHOR: The man charged with killing Kansas late-term abortion provider Dr. George Tiller tells the Associated Press he is being treated as a criminal, even though he hasn't been convicted.

Scott Roeder called the A.P. from jail today saying he is not anti-government. Instead he says he is anti-corrupt government. He refused to comment on the shooting death of Dr. Tiller on Sunday, saying he'd talk about it later.

Actor David Carradine was found dead in the closet of a Bangkok hotel room today. He apparently hanged himself. He, of course, became famous in the '70s when he starred in the "Kung Fu" TV series. He also starred in several movies, including "Kill Bill 1" and "2." Carradine was 72.

Supreme Court justice nominee Sonia Sotomayor has assets worth $1.16 million, including a home worth more than a million. That's what she revealed in a lengthy questionnaire delivered to Capitol Hill today. Hers was 173 pages. It also covered, as you can imagine, plenty of her legal career.

Oprah Winfrey no longer the most powerful celebrity in the eyes of "Forbes," even though...


HILL: I know. It's true. I wonder how Oprah feels. She does earn the most money, but the title now goes to Angelina Jolie in the magazine's annual "Celebrity 100" list. It factors in things like media exposure, along with earnings. Winfrey moves only to second place, not too shabby, followed by Madonna in third, Beyonce in fourth.

And after President Obama's speech today in Cairo, he made time for a little sightseeing, a tour of the Great Pyramids. One of the tombs contains a 4,600-year-old portrait of a man named Kar, who was a priest, scholar and judge. And the president joked, he'd found his ancient twin. Take a listen.


OBAMA: That looks like me. Those ears.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he was the overseer of the pyramids.


HILL: A moment. There you go. Quite a moment today. Everybody got a chuckle out of that one.

COOPER: Yes, I just want to -- before we move on, I just want to take a moment to note the passing, Erica, of a really remarkable man.

Three-sixty viewers first met Manuel Curry in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. That's him there in the white T-shirt. He was homeless from the storm, living and sleeping in a Wal-Mart parking lot. Living, sleeping and I should say also working.

You see Manuel Curry, then 80 years old, was a New Orleans police sergeant. He was the only sergeant major on the force, a force that he joined after coming home from storming Omaha Beach on D-Day back in World War II. He was a combat medic.

He would serve for another 63 years on the New Orleans Police Department, becoming by some accounts the oldest active-duty police officer in America.

He died at 84 today. Details of his death are unknown. Details of his life, however, are remarkable.

At the top of the hour, President Obama's mission and message. The sweeping speech in Egypt, the strong words to Israel and the Palestinians, and the fallout to the address watched by the world.

And something to make you smile before you go to bed. To tweet or not to tweet. Kelly Ripa tries to help me deal with my Twitter struggles. You might get a kick out of it. We'll show you what happened. It's the "Shot" tonight.


COOPER: Time now for our "Beat 360" winners, our daily challenge to viewers, a chance to embarrass our staffers by coming up with a better caption for the picture we post on our blog every day.

So tonight's picture, President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton touring the Sultan Hassan mosque in Cairo.

Staff winner tonight is Albert. His caption: "Hillary Clinton giggles as she hears about how ancient Egyptians entombed their leaders alive to appease the gods."


COOPER: Viewer winner is Ingrid from Wenatchee, Washington. Her caption: "A light bulb goes on as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton suddenly solves the crisis in the Middle East."


HILL: So easy.

COOPER: Exactly. There you go. Ingrid, congratulations. "Beat 360" T-shirt is on the way.

Erica, now it's time for "The Shot." Shall we?

HILL: Oh, I think we shall, Anderson Cooper.

COOPER: My lame attempt to tweet this morning showcased as I was filling in for Regis Philbin on "Live with Regis & Kelly." As you'll see, Kelly Ripa had a good time with my tweeting or Twitter problem. Take a look.


COOPER: See, it's very similar. There's a thing that says what are you doing. And then you type in the thing.

KELLY RIPA, CO-HOST, ABC'S "LIVE WITH REGIS & KELLY": Say what you're doing. Say what you're doing.

COOPER: I'm -- what? What am I doing?

RIPA: You are having a ball.

COOPER: I'm boring an audience silly. I'm on "Regis"...

RIPA: Look how fast you are. Wow, you have magical thumbs.

COOPER: I'm not even going to complete that tweet.

RIPA: Complete that tweet.

COOPER: No, I'm not going to complete it.

RIPA: You complete that tweet right now.

COOPER: I will complete it during the commercial break.

RIPA: Did you see how big our show is today?

COOPER: It's a big show today.

RIPA: It is a giant show today.


COOPER: I know Twitter is big with all the kids. I'm trying to get the hang of it. I was finally able to successfully tweet.

HILL: You're working on it. You're slowing working.

And by the way, I have a tally...


HILL: ... just so you know where you fall on the list of CNN tweeters.

COOPER: Oh, yes. OK.

HILL: No. 1 is the CNNbrk, CNN breaking news.

COOPER: Of course.

HILL: One point six seven plus million subscribers. That's the one that was in battle with Ashton Kutcher.

Kingsthings, our Larry King, 397,000.


HILL: Coming in at No. 2, Anderson cooper, 221,000 followers.

COOPER: Where's Jack Gray?

HILL: Jack Gray, interestingly enough -- funny you should ask -- comes in at No. 5, right after Sanjay. In fact, Jack's got 129,359 as of 10:30 tonight.

COOPER: Jack's got 129,000 followers on Twitter.

HILL: Listen, if all of you out there...

COOPER: Our producer, Jack Gray, has -- that's amazing. That's fantastic.

HILL: Who wouldn't want to follow Jack Gray?

COOPER: How many does Rick Sanchez have?

HILL: The Ricker has 92,000.

COOPER: Jack Gray beat Rick Sanchez.

HILL: Jack Gray beat Rick Sanchez.


HILL: And I think that Jack Gray is less than Sanjay. Jack, I think you can overtake Sanjay. So they're only, like, you know, 1,500, 2,000 apart.

COOPER: Wow. I heard Jack Gray has more than Katie Couric. Is that true?

HILL: I don't know. I'll check for you.

COOPER: Jack, is that true?

HILL: I'm not surprised.

COOPER: I'm sure somewhere, Jack is screaming, "Yes! Yes, it's true."

HILL: Jack and his...

(CROSSTALK) COOPER: Do you tweet, Erica?

HILL: No. I mean, I have an account.


HILL: But I'm not very good about it.

COOPER: All right.

HILL: I'm a busy girl.

COOPER: I'll show you how. You can see all the most recent "Shots" at

Coming up at the top of the hour, the views coming in from around the world, President Obama's history-making speech in Cairo. Stay with us.