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Two Neighbors Testify in George Zimmerman Trial; Interview with Trayvon's Stepmother
Aired June 28, 2013 - 20:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Another big day in the George Zimmerman trial and a "360" exclusive tonight. Trayvon Martin's stepmother on losing the child she raised from age 3, the young man she calls not a stepson but a son.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm the one that went to the football games. I'm the one that was there when he was sick.
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COOPER: She feels she's been pushed aside in all of this, and she's telling her story tonight. Our exclusive conversation just ahead.
And later, another arrest in the murder case of former NFL star, Aaron Hernandez. Details are emerging about his checkered past.
Also, the southwest bracing for extreme heat this weekend, heat that can be deadly. We will tell you where and flooding elsewhere. We'll tell you what you need to know to stay safe.
Let's begin with the Zimmerman trial and once again a prosecution witness that could be as useful to the defense, a neighbor at the apartment complex where George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin struggled and where Martin died. A prosecution witness who might persuade the jury to believe the key element of the defense's theory of the case that Martin was the aggressor. That's one key witness but not the only key witness taking the stand today.
Here is Martin Savidge with all the highlights of another big day in court.
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): What Jonathan Good saw the night Trayvon Martin died goes to the heart of the Zimmerman case.
MARK O'MARA, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN DEFENSE LAWYER: That night that you saw, the person you know to be Trayvon Martin was on top, correct?
JONATHAN GOOD, WITNESS: Correct. O'MARA: And he was raining blows on the person on the bottom, George Zimmerman, right?
GOOD: That's what it looked like.
SAVIDGE: Good lives in the subdivision where the shooting took place. He was watching from his patio about 15 to 20 feet away. Zimmerman that night was wearing a red and black jacket, Martin a dark hooded sweatshirt.
O'MARA: The color of clothing on top, what could you see?
GOOD: It was dark.
O'MARA: OK. How about the color of clothing on the bottom?
GOOD: I believe it was white or red color.
SAVIDGE: But, that's not all Good says she saw. He witnessed physical blows being thrown and then a style, mix the Marshall arts.
O'MARA: What you saw was the person on top in an MMA style straddle position, correct?
O'MARA: That was further described, was it not, as being ground and pound?
SAVIDGE: Good also testified about one more key question, that voice screaming for help in the darkness he believes belonged to Zimmerman.
O'MARA: The voice screaming for help however many times that you heard it, it was just one person's voice?
GOOD: When I heard it outside? I believe it was just one person's voice, yes.
O'MARA: And you now believe that that was George Zimmerman's voice, correct?
GOOD: I never said that.
O'MARA: Do you believe --
GOOD: I said it could have been his but I was not 100 percent sure.
O'MARA: I'm not asking for 100 percent certainty. I'm asking you to use your common sense and tell us if you think that was George Zimmerman's voice screaming for help, the person on the bottom.
GOOD: That's just my opinion. SAVIDGE: The next person to take the stand was another neighbor, Jonathan Manalo, who was the first person to talk to Zimmerman seconds after the shooting.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you the first person after the shot that came into contact with anybody out there, the defendant and the victim on the ground?
JONATHAN MANALO, WITNESS: Yes.
SAVIDGE: The prosecution seemed to be focused on Zimmerman's state of mind zeroing in on a phone call he made that night, a handcuffed Zimmerman asked Manalo to call his wife for it.
MANALO: I had a connection with her right away and I said your husband has been involved in a shooting. He's being handcuffed and will be held for questioning at the Stanford police department and around that time, he cut me off and says just tell her I shot someone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you respond to that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you say?
MANALO: OK. Well, he just shot someone.
SAVIDGE: Manalo also testified Zimmerman had the look of a man that had just been beaten up and even snapped this cell phone picture of Zimmerman's bloody head. On cross-examination, Manalo seemed to encapsulate Zimmerman's entire defense, what Zimmerman told him moments after the fatal shot and with the body of the teenager nearby.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This guy was beating me up and, I shot him.
MANALO: And I had to defend myself and I shot him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sorry?
MANALO: I was defending myself and I shot him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So this guy was beating me up. I was defending myself, and I shot him is what he told you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Without he is take.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And from what you could tell at the moment it seemed completely true?
SAVIDGE: Testimony later from a police officer who was one of the first responders on the scene seemed to align with Zimmerman's claims.
JOHN GUY, PROSECUTOR: Was his jacket pushed up in any way?
OFFICER TIMOTHY SMITH, SANFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT: I don't believe so.
GUY: Did you see any tears in his jacket?
SMITH: No, sir.
GUY: What, if anything, did you notice about the condition of his jacket?
SMITH: The back of it was wetter than the front of it, and it was also covered in grass.
COOPER: So Martin, the last witness of the day was a physician's assistant who treated George Zimmerman's injuries the day after the shooting. She testified Zimmerman was familiar with mixed Marshall Arts. Explain that.
SAVIDGE: Right. Well, Lindsey Fullgate (ph) is that physician's assistant. And that actually came out in his medical records; much of her testimony was focused on the seriousness or maybe the lack of depending on your prospective of injuries of Zimmerman. But she noted he had been training, going to the gym and listed that exercise routine was mixed Marshall Arts, and of course, if you heard the previous testimony, somebody was scene beating on somebody else using that style. So that's what the jury was left with, was this insinuation but the prosecution that maybe it wasn't necessarily what that witness saw. They might have got their people confused.
COOPER: And I think we have a -- a sound bite from some testimony about -- from her testimony about the social history that she read. I think we have that. Let's play that.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you note take there in terms of social history, exercises to the defendant George Zimmerman?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That he was involved in mixed Marshall Arts three days per week.
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COOPER: And that's the moment that Marty was just talking about. Marty, thanks very much.
Another big day and a lot to talk about with our legal team, Los Angeles -- former Los Angeles deputy D.A. Marsha Clark joins us, her latest Rachel nightly thriller and "killer ambition," also legal analyst and former prosecutor Sonny Hostin. On defense side tonight, we have criminal defense attorneys Danny Cevallos and Mark Geragos, co-author of "mistrial and inside look at how the criminal justice system works and sometimes doesn't". Mark Geragos, let me start with you. Jonathan Good, pivotal eyewitness, hold by the prosecution but his testimony seems crucial Zimmerman's defense.
MARK GERAGOS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right, the only explanation for that is that the prosecution knew that he was out there, that he was devastating to them, and you're not going to let the defense call that witness. You're going to try and all that witness first. You are going to try and minimize whatever testimony he has, so that it doesn't look like you're playing hide the ball, because this witness clearly raises reasonable doubt. You combine this witness with the other neighbor and everything that we've heard so far, this really, really is an uphill battle for the prosecution.
COOPER: Sunny, you were in the courtroom. Do you agree this witness was devastating for the prosecution?
SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: No, I don't agree it was devastating for the prosecution and that now the prosecution has an uphill battle but there is no question this witness was a significant witness for the defense. I was watching the juror's faces. They were very engaged, Anderson. They were leaning forward. Many of them were taking notes. And he seemed to be very credible, very consistent, very deliberate in his description of what he believed he saw.
So I would agree this was a very good day for the defense. There is no question in my mind the reason that the prosecution called him is because they don't want the jury to believe that they are hiding anything. And as a prosecutor, you deal with the facts that you have, and you put them out there and let the jury decide.
COOPER: Danny, shortly after the shooting, Zimmerman took authorities back to the scene to recreate his version of events. Now, I want to play a key moment from that. Now, the jury has isn't seen this but I want to play it for the jurors.
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GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, KILLED TRAYVON MARTIN: I kept yelling help and he put his hand on my nose -- my nose -- I mean on my mouth and said shut the (bleep) up. And I tried squirming because when he was hitting my head against him, I thought it was going to explode and I thought I would lose consciousness. So I tried to squirm so I could get -- because he only had a small portion of my head on the concrete. So I tried to squirm off the concrete, and when I did that, somebody here opened the door. And I said help me, help me. And they said I'll call 911. I said no, help me. I need help. And I don't know what they did.
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COOPER: Now until today, Danny, it was always a mystery who that person was that he was talking about. I want to listen what his neighbor said today in court.
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O'MARA: What do you recall saying to the two individuals?
GOOD: At first, it was what is going on? And no one answered. And then at that point I believe the person on the bottom, I could finally see and I heard a help, and then at some point I said, cut it out and then I'm calling 911, and that's when I thought it was getting really serious.
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COOPER: So along with the police officer's testimony today that the back of Zimmerman's jacket was covered in grass and more wet than the front of his jacket, to you, does that corroborate Zimmerman's story?
DANNY CEVALLOS. CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER: Yes. Corroboration is the magic word here. You see Zimmerman's story that he told the police which, by the way, some could argue serves a dream warning for potential defendant to not give a statement. Look what happened when Zimmerman completely cooperated with the police. He gave them this video that they are now would like to use against him if he gives any prior inconsistent statement.
But, when it comes to corroboration, you hear Zimmerman's story and it today when you hear corroboration today, and we heard the prosecutor members. These are two of the prosecution's own witnesses corroborating important points -- wet jacket, grass on the pack and part of that, yes, Zimmerman's story where somebody came out and observed the fight is corroborated by this witness Good who by the way is a terrific witness, not for the prosecution, not for the defense but overall he's a terrific witness. He's credible. He's well- dressed. He's arctic lit. He's a terrific witness. He doesn't fight with the defense attorney. He doesn't get in arguments, and that makes him credible. I think that makes him relatable, and I think the jury will conclude this is somebody that can believe, perceived what he perceived.
COOPER: Marsha, towards the end of Good's testimony today, both, the defense and prosecution, they want to clarify an important part. I want to play that.
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DON LEMON, WEST, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The bottom line, you needed to clarify it after that to make sure that everybody understood that you did not hear or see fists, the guy on top hitting the guy on the bottom, correct?
GOOD: Both sides made me clarify.
WEST: Is that correct?
GOOD: Correct. WEST: You did not see blows on the guy on the bottom, correct?
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COOPER: So how does that factor into the jury's decision?
MARSHA CLARK, FORMER L.A. DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY: I don't think the jury is actually going to find it to be ambiguous, Anderson. They are going to make a comment and determination. What he is sitting, his hand is going like this down, I mean, he can only mean one thing, that the blows were being inflicted and I think they be he leave that and seems fair for them to speak to think so.
But I want to point something else out. The fact that Zimmerman said he had his hand over my noise, his hand over my mouth, well, if that's the case then how is he able to scream and actually to speak to the neighbors and say help me, help me, no, I need help. It is a little -- that struck me as an inconsistency in what he is saying. I'm not sure this tape will go before the jury, so it may not matter.
But, you know, at the end of the day, you have somebody who has been beat up by Trayvon, but we knew there was a struggle. I mean, that was clear because Zimmerman had the injuries he had.
What will be the telling point is, were those injuries sufficient? Are they indicative of a struggle so severe, so serious he was reasonably in fear of imminent death? And that is what the jury is going to have to parse through all of this stuff and figure out, because if he was not in reasonably in fear of imminent death or great bodily injury, then, he did not have the right to use lethal force against Trayvon Martin.
COOPER: I want to put an Instagram photo on the screen and this one apparently posted by the daughter of Zimmerman's the defense attorney, Don West, ad says quote, "we beat stupidity celebration one #zimmerman#defense#dadkilledit.
Now, in a statement given to CNN Don West said quote "sometimes we're deeply disappointed by the things our children do, but we love them anyway. We move on." The photo is getting a lot of reaction online. What do you know about it Sunny?
HOSTIN: Yes, I mean, it's -- I was getting that sent to me all day. It's been sent to me for the past couple of hours, and we now know that statement came out, so it was something that was tweeted by one of Don West's daughters. He has four daughters. The daughter that tweeted this is apparently is in her 20s. And he has admitted that this was grossly insensitive. And clearly, it was.
I think though, unfortunately, given the fact that he gave -- made that knock knock joke in opening statements that people will think my goodness, this is a family that just doesn't have their finger on the pulse of what is appropriate, when she right hash tag, you know, dad killed it. We are talking about a second degree murder trial. And so --
COOPER: Mark, I hear you groaning.
COOPER: Quickly Mark.
GERAGOS: I join in the groaning motion. Wait, give me a break. Look --
HOSTIN: How can you deny that was grossly insensitive?
GERAGOS: The father -- the 20 something, I don't deny that it's grossly insensitive but can we leave the kids out of this? Even the Mafia --
HOSTIN: The kid sent it.
GERAGOS: Give me a break.
HOSTIN: The kid sent it.
GERAGOS: So what? So what? The kid sent it. And you know, as a father of a 20 something-year-old daughter, I don't, you know, I don't own everything she does. You try to raise a kid to do their best. She did something that I'm sure she regrets but give it a rest. It's ridiculous. Has nothing to do with anything.
COOPER: We'll move on.
Mark Geragos, Marsh Clark, Sunny Hostin, and Danny Cevallos, thanks. We are going to see all of you again at 10:00 p.m. eastern for an hour-long in depth Special Report self-defense murder, the George Zimmerman trial.
In the meantime, let us know what you think. Follow me on twitter. Let's talk about it on twitter right now @ andersoncooper during the commercial break.
Coming up next, the Trayvon Martin that his stepmother knew, Alisha Stanley, you probably never heard from here. She joins us tonight to talk about the young man that she helped raise from a child and still calls her son, not her stepson and whether the man that killed him was motivated by race. Her opinion, you will be surprise but her answers on that.
And later, yet another arrest in the killing with the former NFL star, Aaron Hernandez. He is facing murder charges for. In the meantime, details from his past that are painting a troubling picture. Details ahead.
COOPER: So far, this trial has done a good job establishing for the record what people heard and saw the night Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin. And that's what all trials do at this stage of the game. But for the moment, at least, that's all jurors know. They don't yet know if perhaps by inference who Zimmerman is and who Trayvon Martin was.
Alicia Stanley sadly knows Trayvon Martin as the son she lost, as the child that she had raised from age three in the home that she shared with Trayvon's dad, Tracy, until they separated just before the shooting.
Alicia Stanley, Trayvon Martin's step mother joins us exclusively tonight.
COOPER: So I don't think a lot of people know your story and relationship with Trayvon. You were his stepmother for a long, long time.
ALICIA STANLEY, TRAYVON MARTIN'S STEP MOTHER: Yes, for 14 years.
COOPER: Fourteen years.
STANLEY: Fourteen and a half, 14 and half years.
COOPER: How much role did you actually have in raising him?
STANLEY: Hands on. I mean, I've been with his father for 14 years. Trayvon was about three when I met his father, and ever since then, I mean, Trayvon been in my life and I've been nothing more than a mother to him. You know, he was raised with my girls. I have two daughters, so --
COOPER: He lived in your house?
STANLEY: Yes, he live in my house with me and his father and my girls, and Trayvon wanted to live with us, and Trayvon was at my house, in our home 85 to 95 -- 90 percent of the time.
COOPER: For -- what kind of a person was he? What do you want people to know about him?
STANLEY: I want people to know that Trayvon was a kind person. He was a loving person. He loved children, babies. You know, before this happened, I really believe he would have been working with children, because he adored children, and just let people know that he's not what the media make him out to be like he was this thug. He wasn't that.
COOPER: Are you watching the trial?
STANLEY: I -- I'm not watching the trial. My --
STANLEY: It's hard for me. It -- I mean, to see and hear the things that led to his death, it's hard for me. I don't care to hear it. I don't care to hear that, I don't.
COOPER: So, have you been involved in the run up to the trial at all? Are you in contact with the family --
STANLEY: I -- at the beginning, you know, we had our differences and stuff like that, and it came to a point that me and Tracy was communicating, but when --
COOPER: Tracy is Trayvon's mother --
STANLEY: Tracy is Trayvon's father. And when the media saw it coming around, it was like he didn't want to talk to me anymore, and I asked him why, what did I do wrong and stuff like that? He's like you've done nothing wrong. I'm just busy and stuff like that, and I would tell him well, keep me informed on, you know, what is going on with the trial and stuff like that, and somehow we -- he just -- he just didn't anymore.
But at first he was, and I guess it's something I said, someone -- or I think channel 10 maybe asked me when the last time I spoke to him and did I know Zimmerman was being let go or something like that and I respond to it by saying well, yes, Tracy told me this, and that was it.
So I don't know. He hasn't told me why he stopped communicating with me and telling me anything that was going on, so everything that I was finding out, I was finding out on the TV or through friends. And I would call him and ask him why he's not calling me, and he said well I was busy, you know, stuff like that, so.
COOPER: Right now in the last couple days in the court a friend of Trayvon's has been on the stand, the young woman.
COOPER: One of the things that she's said is that in the discussions she was having with Trayvon before he was killed that he talked about George Zimmerman and the terms he used.
COOPER: The cracker, that the defense is trying to make it sound like Trayvon Martin is introducing race into this situation. Is that something you think is fair?
STANLEY: No, it's not fair. It's because I mean, kids going to be kids, and we all been children. We've all done said things other children are saying or whatever. That was never taught in our home, and I never ever heard him use those words.
COOPER: Do you have any doubt about what happened?
STANLEY: I have no doubt that he didn't start that fight. He didn't start the fight. What I'm saying is that he did -- it was a fight. There's no doubt it was a fight, and Zimmerman had to put his hands on him to cause that fight. He was defending his self. So, for people to say when he tried to kill him and he this and he that, I don't think anyone would have been standing somewhere in the dark and been approached by someone they don't know and then pushed around, and you're not going to defend yourself, and his friend stated it in her statement. He approached Trayvon and Trayvon asked him, you know, why you following me?
COOPER: Do you believe race was a factor in why Zimmerman zeroed in on Trayvon?
STANLEY: I would be lying if I said yes, so I'm going to say this, no, I really don't think it was Zimmerman don't like black people, or he picked him out because he was black. Did he profile him with the hoodie and stuff like that as this thug or whatever walking or whatever was in Zimmerman's mind, yes. But to say that he targeted him because he was black, no, I don't think so.
COOPER: And just to be clear, the complex where Trayvon got killed.
COOPER: That's not where you were living with Trayvon's father.
COOPER: That's where Trayvon's father had gone with this other woman?
COOPER: Is there anything else you want people to know?
STANLEY: I'm here with you to let people know that I exist. And I would not sit back anymore and take the lies that's out there being told. I'm the one that went to them football games. I'm the one that was there when he was sick. I mean, every time he got sick if he wasn't at our home, we had to go pick -- Tracy picked him up and brought him back to our home to make him better. I want people to know that he wanted to live with me and his father.
COOPER: He didn't -- are you saying he didn't have much of a relationship with his biological mother?
STANLEY: No. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that he didn't have a relationship with her. What kind of relationship that they had, I don't know, and then with Trayvon -- Trayvon didn't speak of his mother a lot. OK? I didn't speak towards his mother in no way, no fashion. Never want -- and I want her to know, too, that I never tried to take her place, never.
COOPER: It's got to be so hard to -- to have raised this child, young man, to have him loose his life and to feel like all of that has been forgotten or ignored.
STANLEY: Yes, yes, it --
COOPER: To be alone with that grief.
STANLEY: Yes, it was devastating to know that a child you raised, helped raise and death, you mean nothing. But when he was alive, I was his stepmother. But in death I'm not his stepmother? I don't love him because he done passed? That's unbelievable. And I couldn't believe that these people was doing this. I mean, get in where I fit in and assumed, I can't sit in the front row, too, at my son's funeral, to see him off home? That hurts me. That's the most painful thing that they could have done to me.
COOPER: You weren't allowed to sit in the front row?
STANLEY: No, no, no, I had to sit in where I fit in, you know, to say them things to me and think it's OK, that wasn't OK.
COOPER: And if George Zimmerman is found not guilty?
STANLEY: If he's not found guilty, it's going to be heart breaking because I truly believe that Zimmerman, he killed my son, and I don't think that if Zimmerman wouldn't have got out of the car, I guess you can say people saying, that wasn't a crime because he got out of his car, and that's true enough. It wasn't. But to take out your gun and shoot him dead like that, I mean, it would be unbelievable if he get off. But if he do, I can really say in my heart that God will take care of all of that. You know -- you just put it in God's hands.
COOPER: Thank you for talking to us.
STANLEY: You're welcome.
COOPER: Well, coming up tonight, jurors see photos of George Zimmerman's injuries from the night he shot Trayvon Martin and a physician's assistant takes the stand.
And later, a third person wanted in connection with the murder case involving former NFL player, Aaron Hernandez has been arrested. Also, what we found out about Hernandez' past.
COOPER: The physician's assistant that treated George Zimmerman the day after he shot Trayvon Martin was on the stand today talking about injuries to Zimmerman's nose and on the back of his head. Now jurors saw photos of the injuries, we're seeing them here. The physician's assistant said that wounds on Zimmerman's temple could have come from his head being hit on the ground.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Consistent with it being hit on concrete, isn't it?
LINDZEE FOLGATE, PHYSICIAN'S ASSISTANT WHO TREATED ZIMMERMAN: It can be consistent with that, whether or not that is what it was struck on, I'm sure that can happen on multiple other surfaces, as well, but it could be consistent.
(END VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: Could be consistent. Joining me now is Forensic Pathologist Bill Manion. So Dr. Manion, you've seen the pictures of Zimmerman's injuries taken soon after the incident. You just heard the physician's assistant speak and heard it would be or could be consistent with someone's head striking concrete. What did these injuries tell you?
DR. BILL MANION, CHAIRMAN, DEPARTMENT OF PATHOLOGY, MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, SALEM, NEW JERSEY: Yes, I would. These are lacerations and lacerations are injuries that are the result of blunt force, for instance, blunt force the head striking a hard object or blunt force, maybe a baton or bat hitting the back of the head, but a bursting injury and consistent with having your head hit on the concrete.
COOPER: How serious would you say the injuries appear to be when you look at these pictures? I mean, does it look like severe trauma to you?
MANION: Well, it -- they are not enough to cause death, but they are serious enough that you would be frightened, certainly, anyone experiencing getting their head hit on the concrete, suffering a broken nose would certainly be afraid that more is going to come and would be disoriented to some degree.
COOPER: Zimmerman is claiming he acted in self-defense and his lawyers have to show that he feared grave bodily injury. I guess, it could be a judgment call, but looking at these pictures, would you say that they are consistent with someone who may have felt their life was in danger?
MANION: Well, again, this is all very subjective trying to put her ourselves in the place of Mr. Zimmerman, but people getting beaten on the ground, I think a lot of people would be afraid more harm is going to come. I would be afraid being beaten on the ground like that and being pinned down.
COOPER: The lacerations on the back of the head in this video he made for police after the incident. He talked about feeling like his head would explode and lose consciousness, would you be disoriented? Maybe you can't say this. Can you say whether or not you would be disoriented after receiving these kinds of injuries? Would you be thinking clearly or is it impossible to say?
MANION: Well, you get into a fight or flight mechanism. Your nose is broken. Your nose hurts. The back of your head hurts. You're being pinned down by someone so, yes, you're not thinking clearly and thinking is more going to happen? Am I going to be beaten more?
COOPER: You looked at, I understand, the autopsy of Trayvon Martin. Would you say his injuries are consistent with the story Zimmerman is telling, that I shot up at Martin or can you not tell?
MANION: Well, the projectile itself, the direction of it was straight up just to the left of the midline. It penetrated the heart, which caused death. I wish the bullet had gone to the right and just injured the lungs, Mr. Martin would have survived that, but the wound to the heart is consistent. I believe, it's consistent with what Mr. Zimmerman is saying. I think there will probably be video type of recreation that we'll see and actors will more accurately portray exactly what happened and then look at the projectile of the bullet, which is front to back and straight on. There is no upward or downward trajectory with that bullet.
COOPER: Bill Manion, I appreciate your expertise. Thank you very much.
MANION: My pleasure.
COOPER: We'll also have more of this on our 10:00 hour, full hour in depth on the trial today, all the key moments from what happened in court today with our panel.
Coming up, former NFL player, Aaron Hernandez charged with murder. Now there's been another arrest in the case, the latest on that. Plus some troubling details about Hernandez's past.
COOPER: Another arrest in the case involving former NFL player Aaron Hernandez charged with murder in a shooting in Massachusetts. In Florida a man wanted in connection with the case walk into a police department and turned himself in this afternoon. Susan Candiotti joins me now with the latest. So this guy in Florida, Susan, what do we know about him?
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We know his name is Earnest Wallace and they are not charging him yet directly in connection with the Lloyds' murder, but we learned that he turned himself after seeing himself on a wanted poster. He was all over the news since late last night. Walked into the police department in Florida where he lives and said here I am. I'm not going to talk but want a lawyer present after this.
So they are in the process now of extraditing him to Massachusetts. Now there is a second man, his name is Carlos Ortiz and he was in court today here in Massachusetts picked up on a fugitive charge. He was in Connecticut. Now right now, they have only put up a weapons charge on him, but we have court documents that state that he allegedly acknowledged to police that he had a gun with him in North Attleboro here when Odin Lloyd was murdered.
Now these are the two men that prosecutors say Aaron Hernandez got together to help him settle the score, allegedly, with Odin Lloyd by killing him. But again, they have not yet been charge with the crime and Hernandez as we all know has pleaded not guilty to all of this.
COOPER: It seems like investigators have a lot of information about what was allegedly said inside the car the night that Odin Lloyd was killed. How do they have that? What's going on with that?
CANDIOTTI: Well, it seems obvious that if they know actual conversations that they have talked about in court, about what was being said in the car with Odin Lloyd, there are only three people that would have known it, Aaron Hernandez and these two men that police now say they have in custody who were in the car that night. So it would seem as though one of them may be cooperating with authorities. We were only able to talk with the lawyer for Carlos Ortiz, and he had no comment when we asked about that.
COOPER: We're also learning more about a possible connection between Aaron Hernandez, Odin Lloyd and an unsolved double murder in Boston last summer.
CANDIOTTI: Right, we talked about that with you last night. My sources are telling me that Boston Police Department is very active in making progress in trying to establish a link between that unsolved double-murder and Aaron Hernandez. The "Boston Globe" is also reporting today quoting unnamed officials saying that the motive for Lloyd's murder might have had to do with the fact that Lloyd might have known something about this possible link. Hernandez found out about it and then decided to allegedly take him out.
COOPER: All right, Susan Candiotti, thanks for the update. The murder charge against Hernandez has raised questions about his past. It's a past filled with other accusations ranging from drug use to possible gang involvement. Randy Kaye investigates.
RANDI KAYE, CNN INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When Aaron Hernandez signed his 5-year $40 million contract extension last August with the New England Patriots, he told reporters it was probably one of the best days of his life.
AARON HERNANDEZ, FORMER NEW ENGLAND PATRIOT: It's a life-long dream and still kind of surreal, but taken it over the next few weeks, months, years and it's a blessing and hopefully, I might the right decisions with it and have a good life.
KAYE: Now those decisions are under scrutiny. Even those he made early on. In 2007, he enrolled at the University of Florida. As a junior in 2009, Hernandez won the John McKee Award given annually to the nation's best tight end. His future was bright, so bright he decided to skip his senior year and enter the NFL draft, but come draft time his history started to catch up with him. Word spread Hernandez used marijuana while playing with the Florida Gators and fell to the fourth round in the 2010 draft. Were drugs a sign of trouble ahead?
TIM BURKE, EDITOR, DEADSPIN: The only, you know, serious red flag was that he, you know, he smoked marijuana in college, which is not the most damming accusations and certainly, if smoking marijuana in college makes you a murder, a lot of us would be cold-blooded killers.
KAYE: But it wasn't just drug use that raised concerns, but possible gang involvement that forced many teams to keep Hernandez off the board for the draft. In "Sports Illustrated" one teammate described his circle of friends as a quote, "thug life," but not even that kept the New England Patriots away.
DAN SHAUGHNESSY, SPORTS COLUMNIST (via telephone): There was no inkling of other activities that were dangerous and bad. He was a young guy with a lot of tattoos, but considered part of the culture and part of his growing up.
KAYE: With the Patriots, Hernandez' star rose quickly. In just his the second NFL game, he became the youngest player since 1960 to top 100 receiving yards in a game. Hernandez was named to the pro bowl then last year, that $40 million contract plus a $12.5 million signing bonus, life was good until now. Ten months after celebrating that big contract, Aaron Hernandez' past once again is catching up with him with the murder charge and a possible connection to a double homicide.
(on camera): And there's more, in mid-June an acquaintance of his filed a civil complaint against him alleging Hernandez had shot him when his gun discharged causing the man to lose one eye. The suit said the shooting occurred in February after the two had argued at a Miami strip club. Oddly that lawsuit was dropped four days later. It's unclear why.
(voice-over): But Hernandez' alleged involvement in that Miami shooting while he was a New England Patriot has raised questions about the team's background checks and scrutiny of its players. If Hernandez is guilty of various transgressions, how was he able to keep his behavior under the radar?
SHAUGNESSY: They run the team like the Pentagon. Everything is well-thought out, well-researched, double-checked and vetted. That's what is so amazing about the fact this guy was able to make fools out of them on their watch.
KAYE: Just 23 and a multi-millionaire now on the hook for murder. Randy Kaye, CNN, Atlanta.
COOPER: A disturbing case. Just ahead, a dangerous heat wave is about to roast a big chunk of the southwest. We're going to tell you where it will be hottest and what you need to know to stay safe.
COOPER: Severe heat wave is taking aim at a widespread to the southwest where it's already sweltering. We're talking about dangerously high temperatures ahead for parts of California, Nevada and Arizona. It could reach 129. In Death Valley, just 5 degree short of the all-time record, it's the kind of intense heat that could kill somebody. CNN's Samantha Mohr joins us now.
SAMANTAH MOHR, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Anderson, heat advisory, excessive heat warnings all over the southwest. This is going to affect millions of people and we'll likely see the high temperature records tumbling all over the southwest. So we have to take this seriously and of course, there are a lot of things you can do, of course, say well hydrated. Look out for neighbors that are older, their bodies don't cool as effectively as they used to. So that can be really problematic.
Watch the kids they are highly susceptible to these extremely high temperatures. We're going to see them in the next few days. In fact, likely see these records tumbling in Salt Lake, Las Vegas, Phoenix, as well as Death Valley where we could see the 100-year record come crashing down.
The reason the upper levels of the atmosphere causing the air to sink and warms as it sinks and we see this incredibly high temperatures. You can see in the satellite picture, big ridge of high pressure and this pattern to me is looking rather monsoon. It's not monsoon yet but seasonable reversal of winds and high pressure builds in and picks up moisture.
As it comes across the Gulf of Mexico and California and we see the explosive thunderstorms and a lot of rain across the southwest that will bring an end finally to the heat wave and all part of the extreme pattern that stretches across the nation, excessive heat in the west and excessive moisture in the east -- Anderson.
COOPER: And as you mentioned, in the east, New York, parts of Pennsylvania, they have already facing flooding. You say we're likely to see more flood warnings on the east coast.
MOHR: With all the rain, some 4 to 6 inches across parts of Pennsylvania and there you see how folks are coping with the flood waters across much of the Ohio Valley and in through the northeast and guess what? Even after this front passes through, we're likely to see more rain across the northeast throughout the weekend. So the flooding concerns are not over yet. Stay tuned.
COOPER: All right, Samantha, thanks very much. There's a lot more happening tonight. Susan Hendricks joins us with the "360 Bulletin" -- Susan.
SUSAN HENDRICKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, a short time ago two of the plaintiffs that challenged California's ban on same-sex marriages were married at city hall in San Francisco. Chris Perry and Sandy Spear exchanged vows just two days after the Supreme Court ruling that effectively killed Prop 8. And early today, a federal appeals court cleared the way for county clerks in California to resume issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples.
President Obama is in South Africa, the second stop of the week- long trip to Africa. Mr. Obama has said he'll leave it up to Nelson Mandela's family to decide if the anti-apartheid icon is up for a visit from him. His itinerary includes a return to Robin Island where Mandela spent time in prison. President Obama was there in 2006.
Oscar Pistorius returned to the running track for the first time since he killed his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp. In a statement his family said they encourage the double amputee sprinter to resume training for his emotional health as he prepares for his murder trial. And Alec Baldwin's infamous temper exploded on Twitter in a string of profanity laced tweets he blasted a journalist who claimed the actor's wife was tweeting during James Gandolfini's funeral yesterday. He denied it -- Anderson.
COOPER: Susan, thanks. Coming up, a battle of wheels between a CNN anchor and Cap'n Crunch. "The Ridiculist" is next.
COOPER: Time now for "The Ridiculist." Tonight we have a military scandal in which I've never seen in all my years as a journalist. It involves a captain, a very known captain, Cap'n Crunch. CNN's John Berman got the scoop, two scoops, if you will and poured out the details on "NEW DAY."
JOHN BERMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Cap'n Crunch-gate, so this was first publish in "Food Beast" uncovering the truth about Cap'n Crunch. Look at the captain here. Do you notice anything wrong, very, very wrong?
CHRIS CUOMO, ANCHOR, CNN'S "NEW DAY": Missing a finger.
BERMAN: Let's do a close up here. According to U.S. Navy ranking systems, three straps indicate the ranking of a commander, which Cap'n Crutch has, that's lower than a captain, which you see on the left there. That's four stripes. Calling himself a captain and he's a commander.
KATE BOLDUAN, ANCHOR, CNN'S "NEW DAY": Commander Crunch doesn't have the same ring.
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COOPER: Next thing you'll tell me Count Dracula isn't a real count, Cheerios aren't cheery at all. The scandal doesn't end here because Cap'n Crunch has responded. He called a press conference.
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CAP'N CRUNCH: I stand before you today to answer the ridiculous acquisitions leveled against me by co-host rivals that Cap'N Crunch is not a real captain. You may have noticed a few other things about me. I have four fingers. My first mate is a dog. My eyebrows are attached to my hat for crunch sake.
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COOPER: I come to think that I never noticed his eyebrows are on his hat, which is troubling, but he sidestepped the question and John Berman was certainly impressed.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BERMAN: First, let me profess my immense journalistic satisfaction we were able to help shine the light on this. And forced a response from Cap'n Crunch but let me say how impressed I am about his ability to deflect the scandal here. This is a lesson to anyone, public figures, Lance Armstrong, the IRS, Anthony Weiner of how to handle this type of thing.
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COOPER: I think this goes deeper. There is a breakfast Mafia, Tony the Tiger, tell me those aren't mob names. I won't rest until Drew Griffin sits down with snap, crackle and especially pop. We'll get down to the bottom line on cereal crime on the "Ridiculist."
That does it for us. We'll see you again one hour from now at 10 p.m. Eastern for AC 360 special report, "Self-defense or Murder, The George Zimmerman Trial." We'll take you in depth on today's testimony with our panel. Thanks for watching. "PIERS MORGAN LIVE" starts right now.