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Iraq P.M. Warns Of Subway Terror Plot; FBI Chief: Khorasan Plot May Still Be Alive; Missing Student Suspect Questioned In 2002 Rape case; S.C. Trooper Charged For Shooting Unarmed Man; Ferguson Police Chief Won't Step Down; Attorney General Eric Holder Resigns; "This Is Life With Lisa Ling" Debuts Sun. 10 P.M.
Aired September 25, 2014 - 21:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: OK. Good evening. Thanks for joining us on the special extended edition of 360. We begin this hour with the unsubstantiated claim by Iraq's new prime minister that put New Yorkers on the edge all day. Speaking with reporters the Prime Minister said that militants captured in Iraq have told this intelligence services about an alleged plot that he said had not yet been disrupted.
There are networks he said and I'm quoting him directly, planning from the inside Iraq to have attack. They plan to have attacks on the metros of Paris and the U.S. That as you might imagine triggered beefed up security measures in New York. That's how the day begin and ended with the State Department official doing the best he could to walk those comments back.
I spoke earlier tonight with Brett McGurk, Deputy Assistant and Secretary of State for Iraq and Iran.
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COOPER: I just don't get why the prime minister of Iraq who -- we -- the United States is pinning basically everything on in Iraq would come out and make statement which is just completely according to you, not true. I mean he says this is accurate information that there are specific arrest of Americans and French in Baghdad. You're saying now, he's going to put out some other statement saying essentially that's not the case.
BRETT MCGURK, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO IRAQ AND IRAN: No, and that sounds very clear. We're working with Iraqis on this particular information stream. It is not been assess as credible. We are actively working with the Iraqis as we do on a daily basis...
COOPER: So does it worry you that he's getting out not credible information, the leader of the country?
MCGURK: The information he's talking about Anderson as Nicky (ph) said, it just came today. So it's not something that anyone can say as a credible or specific threat stream.
(END VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: And yet, you know, we can't say it's a credible threat stream. The Iraqi prime minister announced it to reporters today. Again, that's how today ended for everything and between all the bizarre to tells.
We're joined by Justice Correspondent, Evan Perez. So this idea that there's a plot to attack subways in the U.S. and Paris, how do we plan (ph) Washington with law enforcement after the Prime Minister made this kind of surprise announcement?
EVAN PEREZ, JUSTICE REPORTER: Not very well Anderson. Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi's comments came to journalist on the sidelines of a gathering of world leaders at the U.N. general assembly. He said he was told of this plot by ISIS against U.S. and French subways. When he was asked if this was eminent, he said, yes. But almost immediately, U.S. officials here in Washington said they were unaware of any such plot. Those denials only grow stronger as the hours went on
And in the last hour, Deputy Assistant Secretary -- of state -- for Iran and Iraq, Brett McGurk told you that there is no specific credible threat. Only information that hasn't been checked out, Anderson. McGurk is suggesting now that Abadi was only speaking in general terms about the threat from foreign fighters.
COOPER: Which is not true I mean what he was -- I mean maybe that's what he is now saying and saying to U.S. officials but what he actually said was that, there are Americans and French fighting for ISIS who are arrested and that there was, you know, credible information that they were plotting this attack against the subways in United States and in Paris.
PEREZ: Right. That's very specific information. So its unclear how this all happen given the close coordination at both the U.S. and Iraqi governments say that they have I mean this was -- was he confusing an old plot with more reason intelligent? Was he coming across new interrogation information that was un-collaborated?
Officials aren't really saying, while they're expressing confidence that there's no known plot, New York City, you know, increased security at the subway stations out of caution today and officials encouraged vigilance because of the threat posed not only by ISIS but also by al-Qaeda which has shown the capability to launch these types of attacks Anderson.
COOPER: All right this has been -- bizarre statement by this guy. Evan Perez, thanks very much.
Now, the other headlines today, and may have more credibility than the subway scare concerns the effectiveness of the airstrikes which continued today. Specifically, the ones targeting the Khorasan group which is said to have an eminent plot against the American and/or European targets said by some U.S. officials.
Today, FBI Director James Comey was asked whether the plot has been disrupted. His answer really comforted nobody. Joining us with that is Pamela Brown. So what did he say?
PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. He said that he said that he's not comfortable at all Anderson. The FBI Director James Comey spoke to reporters today. He's said he's operating assumption is that Khorasan still exist and that he has -- until he has concrete evidence and show him otherwise he believes they're plotting against the west so it's still happening.
U.S. official said the group was planning an imminent attack on western targets and intelligence officials told me that they had acquired materials and we're on an advance stage of plotting.
Today, Comey said and given what he knew in the experience level of the al-Qaeda operates there. Officials have to assume and act as though an attack could happen tomorrow. And Comey said that, as of now the threat posture remains the same and the group remains at the top of this list of concerns Anderson.
COOPER: And that we don't know that exact number of personnel on this group. Officials have said it's a relatively small group. Are they believed to be simply in that area or have they -- you would think they would move elsewhere?
BROWN: Right. And Comey sort of alluded that today. He said -- he didn't want to say anything else until the official strike assessment is done but you have to keep in mind that Syria is a safe haven for terrorist. This is a place that's considered to be, sort of an intelligence black hole. It's difficult to know anything for certain and I know speaking to intelligence officials that these are seasoned terrorist who are known to decentralized and disbursed often.
So, of course that's one of the question that some of the group's leaders left that area where Khorasan was based in Syria in anticipation of the U.S. bombing campaign, Anderson.
COOPER: All right. Pamela Brown, appreciate the update. More perspective now from one of the two experts in the field for years, Ali Soufan, was one of the go-to people on complex global terror cases at the FBI where he was a supervisory special agent. I spoke to him earlier tonight.
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COOPER: Ali, obviously group like ISIS may have an intention of plotting against the United States and subway system or France in Paris but in terms of their actual capabilities, are they capable of pulling off something like that?
ALI SOUFAN, FORMER FBI SUPERVISORY SPECIAL AGENT: Well, that is a main a question here, you know, a threat to equals and tension plus capability plus opportunity. The intention is always there however, the capability of any terrorist organization to do anything inside the United States have been diminished since 9/11 and I think the work of the FBI, the intelligence community, Homeland Security and many of different entities makes it very difficult to operate and very difficult to carry out attacks on the homeland. COOPER: How real is Iraqi intelligence? I mean, we've all seen their capabilities on the battlefield in terms of their military. Do they actually have intelligence capabilities?
SOUFAN: Well, this is a big question here I mean the Iraq has a lot of reasons to say that there's a threat in the United States, threat in Europe, threat in Paris. They are fighting ISIS. They are fighting al-Qaeda and their network in Iraq. I don't believe that there is any indication of a real threat as far as we know from the intelligence community both in the United States and in Europe. It does not seem that the information that has been provided is kind of like legitimate information.
COOPER: Let's talk about this group Khorasan. The FBI director said he's not confidence that their plotting was disrupted by the airstrikes this week, he said the U.S. had to assume they could carry an attack tomorrow, next week, several months from now. From what you know about this group, how big a risk do they actually pose to the U.S.?
SOUFAN: Well, Khorasan is actually al-Qaeda. Khorasan are the people in Syria that have the main goal in following and ensuing al-Qaeda's global Jihadi agenda. You know, after the split, they took a place between al-Nusra and ISIS, Zawahiri, al-Qaeda headquarters which is based in Khorasan, that's where al-Qaeda believes their headquarters as based, an area in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
They send operatives from al-Qaeda network from al-Qaeda central as we call it to Syria in order to help setup al-Nursa, the official al- Qaeda affiliates. However, these individuals that's came from Afghanistan or from Pakistan, from different areas and they operate under al-Qaeda network to Syria, they start calling them Khorasan or they start referring to them as Khorasan because they are the people who are sent by Khorasan and headquarters. So it's like we are saying, you know, the guys form Washington or Washington or Washington did that.
So Khorasan itself means al-Qaeda. Khorasan itself means al-Qaeda central, means those operatives who are veterans on al-Qaeda and take orders specifically from Ayman al-Zawahiri and from the leadership of al-Qaeda and Khorasan. I.e. Afghanistan or Pakistan and does not follow necessarily al-Nusra or al-Julani who is the head of al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria.
COOPER: The thing that concerns me the most are these lone wolf attacks. People will not necessarily -- they don't have to be actually -- people fought overseas but people who for whatever reason, you know, look at a sermon online or see ISIS in the news and think, "OK, well I'm -- out of allegiance to this group but I actually have no direct connection to. I'm going to go and I'm going to attack somebody on the street or I'm going to shoot up a mall or I'm going to try to bring a bomb to movie theater".
To me, that seems like the most realistic threat inside the United States. Is that for you the biggest thing on your radar? SOUFAN: Well, that's always there, you know, I agree with you. If this a bigger threat and I think the FBI have been doing a greater job in trying to figure out these individuals. They have a difficult profile and sometimes they have been the subject of undercover operations and sometimes they have been arrested before they carry out these attacks. So the lone wolf attacks and the threat of lone wolf, we're been dealing with that since 2001, 2002 and we will continue to deal with that unfortunately.
I mean, every time something happen in the Middle East or in the Muslim world, these issues come up about lone wolf who want to retaliate. And we've seen that in London, we're seeing that in Paris, we've seen that in Belgium and we've seen that even in the United States unfortunately.
COOPER: Ali Soufan, I appreciate you having on again. Thanks.
SOUFAN: Thank you Anderson.
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COOPER: A lot more ahead but quick reminder, make sure you set your DVR so you can watch 360 whenever you want. Just ahead, we have breaking news here at home, the disappearance of Hannah Graham, new details by the prime suspect and the prior brush with the law in his past.
Also very latest in the search for her and also conflicting reports about whether Mathew and Graham were together inside a restaurant the night she vanished when we continue.
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COOPER: It's breaking news tonight in the case of missing college student Hannah Graham the University of Virginia Sophomore who vanished on September 13th.
Tonight, we have new information about Jesse Matthew, the suspect who was arrested yesterday in Texas more than 1,000 miles from where Graham was last seen. Today he waived extradition he's going to return to Virginia a soon as tomorrow. And now, we're learning details about a 2002 investigation that also focused on him.
CNN, Jim Casarez, joins me now with the latest.
So, what do we know about this investigation back then?
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, Anderson, the Lynchburg Commonwealth Attorney which is the prosecutor has confirmed with CNN that Jesse Matthew was investigated in 2002 while a student at Liberty University for an alleged sexual assault. But the issue was they didn't have the proof.
Jesse Matthew said, it was consensual and they didn't have the proof to show was otherwise and so no charges will brought. Now, 12 years later he is charged with the sex crime. And the Tempo Restaurant is going to become extremely important and so investigation we heard about it from the beginning.
And law enforcement believes that Hannah was there with Jesse and the final moment before she went missing. Well for the first time the owner of that restaurant has stepped forward to say, "That's not the case".
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While authorities are preparing for Jesse Matthew's extradition to Virginia to face a criminal charge of abduction in connection with Hannah Graham's disappearance, the owner of the restaurant thought to be where Graham and Matthew were last seen stepped forward to tell his story.
BRICE CUNNINGHAM, OWNER, TEMPO RESTAURANT & BAR: I did not see here and -- that's one of the most stressing matter for me because it's very uncomfortable (ph) to go through.
CASAREZ: Law enforcement says, at least one person saw Hannah in the restaurant. But, Cunningham does vividly remember Jesse Matthew who he says was alone, but came to Tempo twice that night.
CUNNINGHAM: He was I think in good time, he went dancing, he was -- I though he was just little bit excited and (inaudible).
CASAREZ: His employee did see Hannah outside the restaurant.
Nobody that you know saw her in her, but your people at the door it saw her outside?
CUNNINGHAM: Yes, walking away, with him -- it would appear that they knew each other.
CASAREZ: And it is the next 40-hours law enforcement says, that are crucial to this case.
CHIEF TIMOTHY LONGO, CHARLOTTESVILLE POLICE: There is this block of time, this very big large, significant block of time between, the time that we know Hannah Graham disappeared and the that disappearance was reported to us. We need to strength that gap.
CASAREZ: And the key to finding Hannah make come from those who know Jesse Matthew.
LONGO: If, you know, Jesse, and many people do because Jesse grew up here, he grew up in this community, he went to school here, he has family here, he went to church here, he worked here. Lots of people know Jesse.
CASAREZ: And the person who may know in best, his father.
JESSE MATTHEW SR., FATHER OF SUSPECT: The only thing I can see him maybe kind to give the girl a ride home or help her out.
CASAREZ: And as the investigation continues with Tempo Restaurant playing a critical part. Its owner is emotionally invested like the rest of the community in finding Hannah Graham.
CUNNINGHAM: It's very sad. And I'm really feeling for her parents, it's -- I don't know it's me and my -- I don't what's.
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COOPER: So, this rape investigation back in 2002, he was never charged.
CASAREZ: He was never charged. Charges were not brought because there was a problem with the evidence. Because he said it was consensual. So it became and he said, she said, they didn't have the evidence to go forward and she didn't want to go forward with the charges. So they were never filed.
COOPER: All right, Jean Casarez, I appreciate it. I want to bring, CNN Legal Analyst and Former Federal Prosecutor, Sunny Hostin.
Sunny, what do you make of this?
SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: You know, I'm very reluctant to make anything of it, because in a court of law Anderson, this guy wasn't arrested, he wasn't charged. He said that the sex was consensual. The victim did not want to go forward that is not unusual. However -- and so...
COOPER: They (ph) would said, the alleged victim.
HOSTIN: The alleged victim didn't want to go forward. And so, I'm reluctant to make anything of it because this happened 12 years ago and nothing came of it. And I think in today's day and age we see a lot of this information coming out quite frankly before even an arrest in a case before a trial. And it really makes it very difficult for prosecutors and defense attorneys...
COOPER: So, this could not be use in court?
HOSTIN: No, it's a try (ph) these cases because we trial them in the media.
COOPER: There were no I witnesses back to this alleged incident in 2002 and the complaining witness said, she didn't want to go forward with the investigation.
HOSTIN: Yeah.
COOPER: If now, the complaining witness back then came forward and said, "Well, you know, actually what happen back then is this, this, and this, and this." Would that matter, would that be admissible at all?
HOSTIN: It would be very unlikely for it to be admissible unless of course there's a trial and he comes forward and he has all this character witnesses that say, "This is an upstanding guy who was never gotten into any trouble, who has never been accuse of sexual assault." Well, then yeah. Maybe, on that off chance this would come forward. But, I think it's important to note that the victims of sexual assault
rarely want -- they don't want to come forward. They rarely testify which makes prosecuting these cases are very difficult, but we also -- and, you know, I was known sort of Hanging (ph) Hostin at the U.S. attorneys office.
So, I'm not saying that this didn't happen but it's not something that I think should be considered when we're talking about in this case, the missing UVA student which is clearly a tragedy but I don't think that this has anything to do with the case.
COOPER: All right. I see. Sunny, thanks very much.
HOSTIN: Sure.
COOPER: Hanging (ph) Hostin who know. For more in the story and others, you can go to cnn.com.
Coming up, having an alleged seat belt violation turned to a police officer shooting an unarmed who was reaching for his driver's license. It was all caught on dash-cam video in South Carolina. We'll show you the complete video ahead.
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COOPER: A decorated South Carolina highway patrol trooper has been charged with aggravated assaults and battery for shooting a man he'd approached for an alleged seatbelt violation, a man who was reaching for his driver's license when he was shot. This happened just a few ago and the dash-cam video has been released.
Martin Savidge reports.
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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONSDENT: A dash-cam rolls into, as South Carolina's state trooper stops a man for driving without a seat belt asking for his license.
SEAN GROUBERT, HIGHWAY PATROL OFFICER: Can I see your license, please? Get out of the car. Get out of the car.
SAVIDGE: In seconds, it goes horribly wrong. As 31-year-old trooper Sean Groubert shots an unarmed 35-year-old Levar Jones from just feet away.
It happens so fast. We almost wonder what really happened. So here it is again.
It's roughly 5 p.m. September 4th at the gas station just outside Columbia. As the officer pulls up Jones, he's exiting an SUV. Off camera Groubert asked to see his license.
Mr. Jones reaches back into the vehicle, Groubert bust into view gun drawn, shouting and shooting.
GROUBERT: Get out of the car. Get out of the car.
SAVIDGE: Firing at least four times. Once even as he now shot Jones staggers backwards hands raised.
Now, listen to the conversation between the bewildered and wounded Jones and the officer.
LEVAR EDWARD JONES, UNARMED MAN: What did I do, sir?
SEAN GROUBERT: Are you hit?
JONES: I think so. I can't feel my leg. I don't know what happened. I just grabbed my license.
GROUBERT: Breaks on 866901052 (ph).
JONES: Why did you -- why did you shoot me?
GROUBERT: Well, you dove headfirst back into your car.
JONES: I'm sorry.
SAVIDGE: Amazingly Jones only suffered a hip wound. He was treated and released.
Meanwhile on Friday Groubert was fired and now ex-trooper Groubert is charged with felony assault and battery. We reached out to his attorney but he did not return our call.
There is a sad irony to all of these. Just last year, Trooper Sean Groubert was held a hero after shooting a gunman who had open fired a bank parking lot. With that he was given South Carolina's Medal of Valor. But after this latest shooting, if he's found guilty he could be given 20 year in prison.
Martin Savidge, CNN, Atlanta.
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COOPER: Our CNN Legal Analyst join me for this. Back with us, Former Federal Prosecutor Sunny Hostin, and let's bring in Criminal Defense Attorney Mark Geragos.
So Sunny what do you make to this? I mean the fact that there's a dash-cam video really allows people to see everything that occur.
HOSTIN: Right, and I think it's so important to note that we would not really know what happened but for the dash-cam video and that's why I've always been a proponent of dash-cam videos and I think that is really the trend we're seeing at all over the country most recently in D.C. very important.
I think what it also though shows is, how difficult a police officer's job is and how quickly they have to make these decisions. I mean, when you look at this video, wow, it happens so quickly. Let's be clear, he overreacted, he made mistake and he have this -- I thought of a precede threat that didn't exist but it just goes to show you how quickly these altercation happen.
COOPER: Mark, is this going to be a tough prosecution?
MARK GERAGOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes. I think this is an immensely hard prosecution. Anytime you tried to prosecute a cop or an officer who's in the performance of his duty, juries just do not want to convict.
I can name you cases all over the place where juries will leave their hang and cannot come to a conviction or they will acquit the officer. Especially in this case even with the dash-cam video which you're going to end up hearing is that this officer, I will bet a -- whatever you want is going say he saw (inaudible) he thought it was a gun. It was a split-second reaction.
They will put on -- the defense will put on a police practices expert or somebody who's going to say that he has to make a split-second decision. And that this was not a criminal act.
HOSTIN: Let me say this, one thing -- I teach a lot of street law low classes and I'm not blaming the victim here and I believe that everything the officer did in this case incorrect. But when you are having a police encounter you have to make sure that the officer understand the intention of all of your movements.
So when that officer ask him, when that officer him for his license he had to say -- unfortunately in today's day and age, officer my license was in the glove compartment, I am going to reach for it now.
COOPER: So you're saying that's what -- just to be absolutely safe that's what anybody -- I mean...
HOSTIN: Sadly yes...
COOPER: ... we've seen this video, I now think next time I might not interacting with police I'm going to say, my thing, you know, my driver's license is in glove box, is it right if I get it...
HOSTIN: It's what I teach my friends, my father, my husband, absolutely and I've worked with law enforcement officers, they often tell me that traffic stops are their most difficult and dangerous job and they want to see your hands and they want to know the intention of your move. ' I'm not saying its right but this is the reality.
GERAGOS: I was going to say -- Sunny, the only reason you're saying that is because the officer -- there's an implicit assumption that the officer has got a predisposition because it's an African-American male and it's an...
HOSTIN: Isn't that the reality?
GERAGOS: ... to be violent and he's more prone to be violent.
COOPER: Wait but Mark, is it... HOSTIN: He's not more prone to be violent though, it's....
COOPER: But come on, isn't anybody here in -- I mean, any police officer in this situation whether the person is African-American, whether the white, you have no idea where they are coming from or anything and, you know, I'm -- and again I'm not saying that this driver did anything wrong here but, you know, he reaches into the car and then he does turn around quickly -- I can see in court the lawyers for this police officer saying, you know, freezing the video and saying, looking quickly he's turning, the officer didn't know -- doesn't know anything about this person.
GERAGOS: Exactly. And you're exactly right Anderson. That's what's going to happen in court.
What I'm saying though and the reason Sunny has getting a lot of flat for this is because this guy could not have been anymore complaint. The idea that somehow you've got to...
COOPER: You're saying if the driver was not African -- you believe race played the role here?
HOSTIN: Sure.
GERAGOS: Of course it did.
HOSTIN: Of course it did.
GERAGOS: I mean, that's the -- you stripped it off -- I mean, I hate to always be the one who's saying that but in the criminal justice system it permeates everything. It just does. You're not -- (inaudible) absent this video.
I mean, how this guy could be any more complaint. Listen to this tape, he is sitting there after having been shot saying, sir, what did I do? I think I've been shot. I can't feel myself. I mean, it's unbelievable.
COOPER: Also after being shot -- what appear -- I think he is seem to be shot on the stomach or the -- but if he didn't put his hands up...
GERAGOS: Ed, I'll tell you something, he had every right. That's an unreasonable use of force. Under the law, the driver has the right to attack this officer at that point. I mean, you don't have to just sit there and get executed. You absolutely have the right to go and try to disarm that officer at that point.
So he did -- he went far beyond anything that he's called on to do and far beyond what the law calls on for him to do.
HOSTIN: Sure.
COOPER: We'll see what happens.
Mark Geragos, thanks Sunny Hostin as well. Again, you saw in that video have the trooper open fire and he had a choice to make about what Mr. Jones was doing when he reach in to his SUV and whether or not he is legally culpable for, whether or not the trooper thought that Mr. Jones had a gun. Jones did not have a gun.
In that, in opening fire, the trooper chose wrong. But more, on training police officer to make the right choices about that (inaudible) with Gary Tuchman.
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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This Spokane, Washington police officer is getting wired so his brain and body functions can be monitored as he gets ready to make life or death decisions.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Spokane police. Police department. Hey, hey. Talk to me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let go of her.
TUCHMAN: Decisions in a most unique laboratory.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you doing? Hey. Let me --
TUCHMAN: Corporal Jordan Ferguson is one of many police officers, military members and civilians who have volunteered time in this violence confrontation lab complete with frighteningly realistic actors on a huge virtual reality screen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You receive a call from a person who says a convenience store is being robbed. Do you understand?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stand by.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey. Hey. Back up. Back up. Back up. Put your hands up. Put your hands up. Drop the knife right now. Drop it.
TUCHMAN: While the volunteers make split-second decisions brain waves and heart rates are checked. It's all part of an ambitious research project at Washington State University, partly funded by the Defense Department, with the goal of improving justice in America.
Professor Bryan Vila is the man in charge.
BRYAN VILA, WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY: We don't know yet still 100 some years since Teddy Roosevelt had the first police firearms training in New York, we still don't know whether there's a connection between the training we give police officers and their performance in a combat situation.
TUCHMAN: Sergeant Terry Preuninger is told he has pulled over a stolen car.
SGT. TERRY PREUNINGER, POLICE: Can I see your driver's license and vehicle registration and proof of insurance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You want my driver's license?
PREUNINGER: I do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my god.
TUCHMAN: The researchers say these volunteers' hearts are generally racing because it's also realistic.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the gun.
TUCHMAN: Many findings from the study will be released by the end of the year. But some have already been published. The research is declaring that volunteers of all races often view African-American suspects as more threatening than white suspects. But that they may have subconsciously overcompensated because of that bias.
BRYAN VILA, WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR: The surprise was that they were more restrained in shooting African-Americans than they were of whites.
PREUNINGER: Police officer. Let me see your hands. You at the counter, let me see your hands. Don't move. Stop, stop.
TUCHMAN: The officer never knew if the man had a gun but did not shoot.
PREUNINGER: Sometimes we don't know if we made the right decision or the wrong decision. We make a decision and then we live with it for the rest of our lives.
TUCHMAN: Novices are also used as volunteers, so with the cops guiding me I pull over a suspicious car with a broken taillight.
Hello, sir. Your taillight's broken. Do you know that? Sir, take your hands out of your pockets. Sir, take your hands out of your pockets. Sir -- Sir put your hands on the steering wheel. Sir. Sir. You're not listening. Hands -- OK. Thank you. Yes. That guy looked like he was getting a gun out. So I took the gun out, just pointed at him -- proper way to deal with it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exactly.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey. Stop. Stop.
TUCHMAN: There is a lot more to learn as these researchers try to make life safer for citizens and for the cops who serve them.
Gary Tuchman, CNN, Spokane, Washington. (END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: Tough decisions to make in a split-second.
Just ahead, Ferguson's police chief apologizes for the fact that it took hours to remove Michael Brown's body from the street after police officer shot him. CNN's Ana Cabrera spoke with police chief.
Her exclusive interview is next.
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COOPER: Protesters tonight outside police headquarters in Ferguson, Missouri never set nearly seven weeks after police officer Darren Wilson shot and killed unarmed teenager Michael Brown.
The Police Chief Thomas Jackson says he has no intention of stepping down. Today however, the chief did apologize to very specific for very specific parts of the incident as well as its aftermath.
Ana Cabrera spoke with the chief at the CNN exclusive. Here's her report.
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CHIEF THOMAS JACKSON, FERGUSON POLICE: I want to say this to the Graham family, no one who is not experience a lost of a child can understand what you're feeling. I'm truly sorry for the lost of your son, I'm also sorry that it took so long to remove Michael from the street.
ANA CABRERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's the apology people and Ferguson and around the nation have been waiting to hear.
JACKSON: I do want to see to any peaceful protester who did not feel that I did not to protect their constitutional right to protest. I am sorry for that.
CABRERA: It's the first time embattle Ferguson police Chief Thomas Jackson was publicly said, I am sorry. In the nearly seven weeks since unarmed teenager Michael Brown was shot and killed by Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson.
You issued an apology video today.
JACKSON: I did.
CABRERA: Why that it takes so long for that to happen?
JACKSON: Well, there's been so much going on and everybody there's been a different challenge, ever since August 9th. But this is something that just been weighting on me, something that needed to be said, should have been said long time ago.
CABRERA: Emotions in the community still raw.
The protest unrelenting and the pain over Michael Brown's death and distrust of police throughout much of the community still remain.
What did they need to do or what can I do to start to built that trust?
DAVID WHITT, FERGUSON RESIDENT: I think what the police need to do is right -- is first, admit that there is a problem within the police department.
JACKSON: It's never been the intention of the Ferguson Police Department or of any police department that I know of to intentionally target individuals because of race. If there is that happening it's a crime and its need to be addressed.
CABRERA: New diversity training, new body of cameras warned by every officer, a civilian oversight board. These are among the plans for the police in the city. But for some, that's not enough.
And you are still the leader of Ferguson Police Department, correct?
JACKSON: Yes ma'am.
CABRERA: Have you heard of any plans and tensions to remove you from that position?
JACKSON: No, I haven't.
CABRERA: Are you aware of at least some of the vocal people, protesters included who would like to see remove from your position?
JACKSON: Sure, I have and I've talked to a lot of those people, you know, I talked to a lot of people who have initial called for that -- and then have changed their mind after we have a meetings and discussions about moving forward.
Realistically, I'm going to stay here and see this through, you know, this is mine and I'm taking ownership of it.
CABRERA: Today's apology who hopes is the fresh beginning.
JACKSON: It's clear that we have much work to do.
CABRERA: How big of test this has been for you personally and professionally?
JACKSON: Both, the biggest test to myself.
CABRERA: An ongoing test for this 35-year law enforcement veteran a test for a community thrown into the national spotlight. But perhaps, the biggest test yet to come depending on the outcome of the grand jury proceedings when we'll here whether Officer Wilson will face charges or not for Brown's dead.
I know, the who residents are worried, are you worried?
JACKSON: No, I'm not worried, I think that we can manage this and I think we can come up much better that we started. (END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: And now Ana Cabrera joins me now from Ferguson. I'm wondering how people in community are reacting to the apology?
CABRERA: It's a mixed reaction Anderson, you're seeing protesters here gathered outside the police station tonight, we saw a sign. One of them brought that, still calling for the police chief to resign.
We did speak with protesters though out here early today. One who's that was awesome, that apology was really a long time coming, needed to be said and it could be fresh start.
Now, other who spoke too said, that have the apology was a little bit too little, too late, they questioned his sincerity and they say, "Actions speak louder than words". And they want to see a lot more action Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Ana Cabrera, I appreciate it.
Coming up, Attorney General Eric Holder announces his resignation when he told CNN today just ahead.
And incredibly picture in L.A. a women climbing out on the roof of her house to hide from an intruder who apparently kicked down her door. How the scary scene ended next.
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COOPER: Let's take a look at some other stories. We're following Randi Kaye at 360 bullet. Randi?
RANDI KAYE, CNN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Anderson, Eric Holder today announced that he resigning as Attorney General saying his six years at the post has been a greatest honor of his professional life. Holder told CNN's Evan Perez, he never intended to stay for the duration of President Obama's second term. And that now is the right time to step down.
The Ebola outbreak in West Africa is a growing threat to regional and global security according to President Obama. Today, he told the U.N. meeting that only international response can prevent, "A humanitarian catastrophe". The World Health Organization says, more 29,000 people have actually died in the outbreak.
Incredible pictures in Los Angeles today, where a woman called 911 after an intruder kicked in the door of her home. The women climbed out a window as we see there and unto the roof to hide. When officers arrive they found both her and the suspect up there, thankfully no one was hurt. The suspect was charged burglary.
And a sculptor who was restoring a lion statue in Boston found a long rumored time capsule then may have been there for more than a century. The time capsule which is in a cooper box is though to contain newspaper clipping, letters, and photos. It's expected to be opened very carefully Anderson as earlier as next week. COOPER: Cool.
KAYE: Yeah. It is very pretty cool. They actually -- the guy who was cleaning it knew it was in there and so we took some tinny little fiber optic camera put it inside and was able to see the copper back.
COOPER: So, actually inside the lion?
KAYE: It is and this is one of this, you know, iconic sculptures, it's been around Boston forever obviously.
COOPER: That's amazing.
KAYE: And he was cleaning it and thought he would take the opportunity to try and find the time capsule.
COOPER: Cool, let's see what's in it. All right Randi, thanks very much.
Just ahead Lisa Ling takes as inside the world of sugar daddies and sugar babies in the website that connect this wealthy older man with the younger attractive women. A preview of the CNN Original Series, This is Life with Lisa Ling. That's next.
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COOPER: The CNN Original Series, This is Life with Lisa Ling premieres this Sunday and you want to check out, a fascinating look about life. Lisa Ling, as you may know, has a knack for connecting with people no matter how different their lives maybe from her.
In her new series she's -- her take (ph) inside subcultures and communities inside the United States and elsewhere that are unusual, extraordinary, and sometimes even dangerous.
The first episode explores the world of sugar daddies and a sugar babies in the websites that help them connect. Here's a preview.
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LISA LING, TV HOST: A surprising number of Americans are hungry for an old fashioned kind of love where man financially support women in exchange for companionship and one man is capitalizing on that desire.
Here -- If you don't mind I'm just going to.
SeekingArrangement founder Brandon Wade.
OK. Why did you start SeekingArrangement?
BRANDON WADE, SEEKING ARRANGEMENT FOUNDER: Well I was just having so much difficulties with my dating life. I would try the normal dating in websites and I realized it was really difficult for me to standout. And that's when I remember, something that my mom told me when I was going up being the nerdy boy that I was. She said, just study hard. Focus on our school and someday, when you're successful you can really use your success in generosity to turn your dating game around.
LING: So you started seeking arrangement because you were having difficulty with your dating life?
WADE: That's absolutely right.
LING: And Brandon you're a very nice, smart guy. Isn't that enough?
WADE: Apparently not.
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COOPER: I spoke to Lisa Ling earlier tonight.
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COOPER: It's a really fascinating world. I mean I never heard the word sugaring.
LING: Right. It's a new word and the reason why this is different from, you know, men wanting to just date younger women is because these sites are advertising to college-aged women. And most of the women I spoke too are very ambitious. I mean they have aspiration of wanting to be CEOs of their own companies. They've just found this to be kind of an easier way to be able to support themselves.
COOPER: And one way to look at it is, OK, this is kind of spelling it all out in advance about what this relationship is about at least initially.
LING: Right.
COOPER: About what the desires are, be it sexually, companionship, certainly financial, the other...
LING: One might say these women are savvy -- young savvy business women because they are negotiating terms of their relationship in advance.
COOPER: I mean another way to look at though it's a, you know, a soft form of some sort of prostitution?
LING: Sure.
COOPER: Or that it's kind of just a sad. It's not seeking love it's just seeking business arrangement for a lonely guy or, you know, a lonely older person and a younger person who has youth.
LING: Yeah. I mean I think a lot about it is sad that women find that the fastest way to be able to support themselves is through these men, right? But by the same token, we live in this culture, this instant gratification culture, right? Where constantly selling to young women where consumerism is just thriving, and so in a way, how can you fault these young women for wanting to be able to sort of procure all these things that are constantly being sold to them. COOPER: What's also interesting is people will say this maybe and condemn young women more than they will -- the older guy who's more financial stable and then is -- is paying for this.
LING: Yeah. And according to Brandon Wade, 40 of those sugar daddies are married.
COOPER: And you just lost like half the audience in terms of like anger towards this...
LING: No, you're right. You're right.
COOPER: ... if these guys are married guys who are seeking arrangement on the site...
LING: Right.
COOPER: ... then that's even kind of clear.
LING: And many of the guys are very explicit about wanting sex initially and it's really on the women to reject it outright as part of the negotiation or, you know, in some cases agree to it.
COOPER: And the fact, they have parties actually are whole kind subculture that exist that a lot of people just don't know about.
LING: And it's thriving, I mean these websites are exploding. And, you know, the party that I went to most of the man that I went, let's just say they would probably have difficulty finding young beautiful women who would date them or even be their companion if they didn't have the resource.
COOPER: That does not surprise me. It's never like -- you never see like a beautiful younger woman with like the overweight cab driver. It's always like an overweight CEO or something.
LING: The Lamborghini, exactly.
COOPER: Right. Exactly. It's never like, you know, the...
LING: Yeah. But, you know, as extreme as it is. It is kind of a mirror of our economy right now and young women, you know, the women that I met, they're smart and they recognized they have a shelf life and there're attitude and this goes for some of the Ivy League girls that I talked too. Why not use our assets now if we're careful about it and negotiate the terms?
COOPER: But some people may not realize that you and I -- we go back, we had a history.
LING: Way back. I know things about you Coop.
COOPER: There's a picture about us back from basically this month, 20 years ago at Channel One news which was show seen half schools in America. It's kind of similar with CNN news room and that's really where we kind of got to start. You had a career before that and you have been on some shows before that.
LING: This is a story about Anderson that I love. You were a fact checker.
COOPER: I was. Yes.
LING: You started there as fact checker which is, you know, the lowest level editorial person at Channel One and Anderson went to Vietnam...
COOPER: I -- you -- was watching, you know, like can't I do that? I want to do that.
LING: You were the skinny gawky kid.
COOPER: Well, although I don't have brown hairs so...
LING: Well, Anderson went to Vietnam to teach English and he brought a video camera with him and shot some amazing video and some really incredible stories and the executive producer put the on air and now, here he is and...
COOPER: Yeah. It was all part of a cam. It was cam (inaudible) cam...
LING: To Japan? No?
COOPER: No. Just cam where I basically decided I (inaudible) in the Burma and I decided, I'll just do really dangerous stuff and there's no way -- and it'll be really dramatic and I'll get some really intense stories and they'll put me on air I mean like I'll be able to be a reporter on the work.
LING: Listen, now, we are able to do work that we are as passionate about, it all works out in the end.
COOPER: I'm so happy that you're here in CNN and I look forward to show (inaudible).
LING: Thanks so much.
COOPER: Lisa Ling, Sugar Daddies, Sugar Babies, the premiere episode of "This is Life with Liza Ling". Don't miss it this Sunday, September 28th, 10:00 P.M. eastern and pacific on CNN. That does it for us. Thanks for watching. CNN Tonight starts now.
