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Trump Leads Republicans In New CNN Poll; RNC: Name Calling Needs to Stop; Poll: Clinton Has Significant UNfavorable Ratings; Wounded Teachers Hailed as Heroes; Bobbi Kristina Brown Dead at 22; Criminal Investigation Underway; Initial Autopsy Report: No Obvious "Signs or Injuries"; 911 Calls Tell Conflicting Stories, Capture Panic, Self-Dense Or Murder; Escalator Death; Newly Released 9/11 Photos; Committee To Review Sandra Bland's Arrest, Death; 35 Bill Cosby Accusers On Magazine Cover; Escort Kills Possible Serial Killer; 1,2000 Guns Found In Dead Man's Home; Mysterious Life and Mysterious Death. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired July 27, 2015 - 21:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Welcome to another live hour of 360. We begin tonight with Donald Trump showing no signs of slowing down and gathering support among voters. In the first national CNN/ORC poll since, his comments criticizing John McCain, Trump is in the lead with 18 percent. Jeb Bush is a close second with 15 percent within the poll's margin of error followed by Scott Walker, with Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Marco Rubio and the rest of the GOP candidates in single digits.
Trump's tone may be resonating with Republicans voters. It's ruffling some feathers among his fellow candidates certainly and if the loudest most inflammatory voice wins, Trump is getting some competition recently from Mike Huckabee who this weekend referenced the holocaust when he criticized the nuclear deal with Iran.
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MIKE HUCKABEE: He is so naive, he would trust the Iranians. And he would take the Israelis and basically march them to the door of the oven.
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COOPER: Well Hillary Clinton called the comment offensive. President Obama had this to say.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The particular comments of Mr. Huckabee are, I think part of just a general pattern that we have seen that is -- would be considered ridiculous if it weren't so sad. (END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: Well there's lots to talk about with RNC communications director, Sean Spicer, he joins me.
Sean, as you know, Donald Trump is still pulling first place, are you comfortable with his tone, calls Lindsey Graham an idiot, Jeb Bush an unhappy person. Is that good for your party?
SEAN SPICER, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE: I think what the chairman said last week is something that we should all do. We just keep our eye on the prize. Remember we are out to win a national election and we've got to minimize the infighting amongst ourselves. I think our candidates have a right to contrast the policies in their experience but the name calling from all sides really needs to stop. We need to focus on that big prize which is keeping Hillary Clinton out of the White House.
COOPER: Does the name calling that work -- I mean it does sort of get attention for a candidate. And the more it seems like we are in an age with the more outrageous statements one makes the more attention one gets.
SPICER: Yeah, I think there is something to be said for short term gains. But I think we in the party have to look beyond just, you know, winning and primary making sure we're going to win the White House. And so like I said, I think there is a vast difference between contrasting your experience or your differences on policy matters with direct name calling and I think there is too much of it going on on all sides and it really should just stop.
COOPER: There's obviously a huge amount of excitement for this, for this first GOP debate. I don't think I can remember a GOP debate this early on in a primary season where there's this level of excitement. People say they're most excited to see Donald Trump debate. What does that say to you?
SPICER: I mean I hope they tune in for a lot of reasons. I mean we've got 16 amazing candidates that are going to on the stage. And so, we've got two segments for each of the debates, the Fox debate and the CNN. I hope they tune in and learn more about all of our candidates not just Mr. Trump but obviously the rest of the folks on the stage and learn a little bit more about the difference that our party has with the direction that Hillary Clinton wants to take the country.
COOPER: It's obviously a difficult position sometimes for the RNC. You don't want to show favoritism obviously to any candidate, you're not -- that's not the job at this point. Does the RNC have a position on whether it was out of line for Mike Huckabee for instance, to say what he said about accepting the Iran deal and saying it would take the Israelis and march them to the door of the oven that Obama would.
SPCIER: Yeah as you mentioned, if we don't get in the middle of how people contrast their policy, issues and the language they use, the chairman and staff, we privately counsel campaigns, and candidates all the time but those are things that we keep internally. But each candidate is out there to express themselves, how they want on policies. Every once in a while, someone may go over the line but usually those conversations are had internally within the family.
COOPER: Because you did put out a statement in the wake of Trump's comments about John McCain and whether or not he was a war hero.
SPICER: Right. I think that particular case, Senator Mccain was our nominee in 2008, and there some -- there was not just some, there was lot of questions posted to the RNC that day and whether or not we stood by Senator McCain and his record as a war hero and I think we wanted to make it very clear where we as a party stood with respect to Senator McCain's service record.
COOPER: The head of the RNC as you know, Reince Priebus said that he would look to seeRrepublican candidates to take a pledge not to run as a third party candidate.
[21:05:02] A, have any candidates pledged to do that? And do you have any reason to believe in particular Donald Trump who has talked about a third party candidacy would make such a pledge?
SPICER: I hope all of the candidates would. I don't think we specifically asked them at this point. I think the chairman talked about it earlier today. And it's something that we definitely should take a look at. But I think whether or not you're seeking our party's nomination or Democratic Party's nomination, you really shouldn't be seeking anyone's nomination and saying, "Well if I don't get yours, I'll go seek somebody else's." So I don't think it's not -- it doesn't have to do specific with Donald Trump. I think it has to do with any candidate that is seeking the nomination of any party.
COOPER: Sean, I appreciate you being on. Sean Spicer. Thank you.
SPICER: Thanks Anderson, appreciate it.
COOPER: All right. Lot to talk about CNN political commentator in there in New Yorker Washington correspondent, Ryan Lizza, CNN senior political reporter Nia-Malika Henderson, and CNN political analyst and New York Times presidential campaign correspondent, Maggie Haberman.
I mean Maggie, its clear the RNC doesn't just want to focus obviously on Trump or on Huckabee. Can they be pleased? Or are you here -- I mean are they pleased where the discussion is at, at this point?
MAGGIE HABERMAN, N.Y. TIMES PRESIDENT CAMPAIGN CORRESPONDENT: I don't think this is what people had in mind in 2013 when the republican national committee did growth and opportunity project which was an autopsy on what had gone wrong in 2012.
COOPER: A very detailed autopsy.
HABERMAN: Very detailed autopsy. There were people including Sally Bradshaw, the top adviser to Jeb Bush, worked on it. Henry Barber was an adviser Rick Perry worked on. I mean these are people who have long ties to the party apparatus and they really focused on policy and on tone. This is not where I think Ryan's previous thought this debate was going to go. He also do not speaking of debates, envisioned a debate stage with 10 candidates...
COOPER: Right.
HABERMAN: ... and where at six were being left off in that stage. So, none of this has quite gone the way they thought it would.
COOPER: Hey Ryan, it is interesting. I mean Trump went after Scott Walker over the weekend during a speech in Iowa which kind of been eclipsed by the Mike Huckabee headlines and the new poll but it's significant because it is a whole new battlefront within the top tier of candidates at least for Trump.
RYAN LIZZA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yeah. I mean look, the way he went after Walker was a pretty traditional Republican on Republican attack, right? He said he doesn't have a great record in Wisconsin, he talked about job growth and roads I mean in terms of the quality of debate, that's you know, that's not too bad. If you are running the RNC, you can't be, too disappointed by that.
I think the problem for folks like Spicer and Reince Priebus is that the party itself, the RNC itself is not where center of power is in Republican politics, right? The power now is in two places. One, it's self-financed, popular, celebrity candidates like Trump who have ability to just get their poll numbers through the roof by dent of their, celebrity. And two, it's in the Super PACs, right? The really good operatives and professionals know disrespect to your former guest but the best people in the Republican Party don't work at the RNC. They now work for the top campaigns and Super PACs.
So the ability for a Reince Priebus or a Spicer to have a big impact on the race is really diminished in the current world of Super PACs and celebrity candidates.
COOPER: That's interesting. It's really shifted.
Nia, you know, I also want to talk Hillary Clinton. Her favorability numbers in this new CNN poll, they're upside down. Still, how big a problem is it for her at this stage of the race? Because I know you've written before that favorability ratings matter more for women than they do for men.
NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: Yeah, that's right. In some ways, one of the things you are seeing from republican candidates is really attacking something that really benefits women candidates. Typically, voters don't look at women candidates as more trust worthy, more honest than you see a republican candidate really out there attacking Hillary Clinton on the character issue, on honesty and trust worthiness and I think this is link the honesty and trust worthiness on numbers linked to that favorability rating.
Now what you see is upside down. You do hear from the Clinton campaign, they say, "Listen, once this is a real race, once you see millions and millions of dollars in opposition research being dumped on the heads of these other candidates that their favorability ratings will go down and their trust worthy numbers will go down as well."
But so far, this has been a problem for Hillary Clinton and she'll be in New Hampshire tomorrow where you see Bernie Sanders is very much gaining on her and he is actually one of the most well-liked candidate in the field. But partly, that is because he's so unknown at this point...
COOPER: Right.
HENDERSON: ... and once people get to fill in sort of his biography and his past that might change as well.
COOPER: Maggie, do you think there's any chance Joe Biden enters the race?
HABERMAN: I don't. I mean, there's always a chance but I think its very unlikely when I think that one of my colleagues Peter Baker wrote a story about this recently how tremendously focused he is on getting past grieving his son, Beau. And I think there have been people around him who would look to see him run, I think this is sort of a dream for him that's going to end not how he would look it to but of I think that he is focused on many other things.
COOPER: Ryan, is there any plausible scenario under which Hillary Clinton is not the Democratic nominee?
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LIZZA: Look, absolutely. There's some nonzero probability, right? And I think Biden is the insurance policy for the Democratic Party. The entire party has organized itself around the Hillary Clinton nomination in a way frankly, that we -- I can't remember a previous primary where there has been a front-runner who was as dominant in the race as she is. It just hasn't happened. Even Al Gore in 2000 wasn't as dominant.
And if there's some implosion, right? If for some reason this e-mail issue or something comes out about her state department tenure, about the Clinton Foundation, any of the things that have been swirling out there, that makes her nomination not possible, I think you have people waiting very, very quietly in the wings like Joe Biden, maybe John Kerry, party elders who would have to swoop in and take the place, assuming that you know, Martin O'Malley and the other opponents just never take off but, man, I think she is the, you know, 60, 70 percent favorite at least.
COOPER: And Ryan, I mean the clock is ticking on that. I mean just the time that which somebody could swoop in.
LIZZA: Yeah. We're talking about this sort of implosion scenario...
COOPER: Right, right.
LIZZA: ... all right Anderson? I mean she's just -- her poll numbers, look, the numbers you pointed out in general election have to be a little but worrying for Democrats but in terms of the democratic race still, she's just, you know, and yes, Bernie Sanders is attracting big crowds and he's coming up a little bit, but she is just in such of a dominant position that its very hard to see how she loses this thing.
But again, if she implodes then I think that's why you have, you still have Joe Biden not definitively ruling things out. He's the insurance policy.
COOPER: Nia, I again, I mean think this debate is going to be fascinating coming up in less two weeks for a lot of reason but it's interesting to hear, Donald Trump already and Jeb Bush trying to lower expectations. Jeb Bush saying, "Oh, I'm kind of rusty", Donald Trump saying, "Now look, I've never done this before." I mean certainly been on a stage plenty of times but you, know never been in a public debate like this. I am so curious to see, obviously, he is not a very detail -- you know, he's not going to be giving a lot of specifics.
And Maggie pointed out you know, there's just not a lot of time...
HENDERSON: That's right.
COOPER: ... when you have ten candidates on stage but I'm so curious to see how other candidates deal with him. I mean do they ignore him like the, the loud guy in the party? Do they take him on directly? Do they part the demand specifics from him? I don't know.
HENDERSON: Yeah. You had John Kasich, and one of his senior advisers Tweet out recently of that prepping for this debate is like a NASCAR driver prepping for a race when he knows that one of the drivers will be drunk and I think he is referring to Donald Trump.
COOPER: Although Donald Trump -- I should point out, does not actually drink.
HENDERSON: That's right, he doesn't drink. That's right. You're exactly right.
COOPER: It just seems like it sometimes.
HENDERSON: That's right, that's right. So we'll have to see, you know? I mean if somebody like John Kasich makes and it looks like he will, he's got to figure out how he wants to articulate his message, give his message out there, become more well known in the country in the party so I'm not sure he's going to want to waste his time...
COOPER: Right.
HENDERSON: ... on going after Donald Trump and we know what it means when you go after Donald Trump.
COOPER: Yeah. Everybody sure does. Nia-Malika Henderson, thank you. Ryan Lizza, great to have you Maggie Haberman as well. Thank you great talk.
Quick reminder, set your DVR, you can watch "360" any time you want. There is a lot of head on this hour. The latest on the condition of two teachers who showed remarkable courage in the middle of the deadly theater shooting in Louisiana. I'm going to talk to a friend who says, she's not surprised by their quick thinking and bravery. One pulled the fire alarm that no doubt saved lives.
Also had the autopsy findings for Bobbi Kristina Brown, they're released. As the polls and county district attorney decides whether to bring criminal charges in the death of Whitney Houston's daughter. Lot of times, gone by. Have they have been able to uncover the actual cause her death? Details ahead.
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COOPER: Today, two Louisiana communities, a scene that's become all too familiar. Two women shot dead in a Lafayette movie theater four days ago were laid to rest. Their deaths uniting relatives, friends, even complete strangers in grief. The 21-year-old Mayci Breaux and 33-year-old Jillian Johnson at the evening screening of "Trainwreck" when a gunman began shooting. He fired a dozen shots before killing himself. Why he chose that particular theater, that's still a mystery tonight. We are learning more about the shooter and his troubled past. Ryan Nobles has the latest.
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RYAN NOBLES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A chilling picture is emerging about the man who opened fire in the grand theater in Lafayette, Louisiana. Surveillance footage obtained by CBS news shows the shooter at his motel, just moments before he left to attend the 7:00 showing of the movie "Trainwreck".
It was there that he sat in the back row, waited some 20 minutes until the previews ended and when he began shooting killing two women and wounding nine others.
MICHAEL EDMONSON, COLONEL LOUISIANA STATE POLICE: This mad man was certainly of sound mind because you know what he wrote it down. He said he is coming to this movie theater. 7:15 on Thursday night.
NOBLES: It was in a room in this motel 6 just a few miles from the theater where the shooter documented his planned attack in his secret diary. He left his hotel trashed. What still isn't clear, why he chose Lafayette? A town one study recently listed as one of the happiest places in America.
JOEY DUREL, MAYOR, LAFAYETTE, LOUISIANA: I think we like it when we get a real firm answer to that question?
NOBLES: He was a drifter. He lived in Georgia. Last year, he was evicted from a house in Alabama just over the Georgia state line. It was at a pawnshop in Alabama where he legally bought the 40 caliber pistol he used in the attack. His time in Lafayette was short and not much is known about what he was up to.
DUREL: We know he was trying to drum up some support for a business. He would like to open. We know he was at the end of his rope financially.
NOBLES: Investigators have finish processing the crime scene but are still digging into the shooter's past.
PAUL MUTTON, PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER: We are still interviewing people. We're still sending our officers out to different locations.
NOBLES: As for the community of Lafayette, residents are remembering the two lives lost and hoping to heal from a tragedy that changed their town forever.
DUREL: The victims would have brought the community and communities together as one.
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COOPER: And Ryan, the folks who are still recovering, do we know how they're doing?
NOBLES: Anderson, remember, at one point there were nine victims hospitalized. Seven of them have returned home from the hospital including one today that leaves two in the hospital still and we're told both of them are improving, Anderson.
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COOPER: Ryan, thanks very much, sharing those terrifying moments inside the theater, there were incredible displays of bravery.
Jena Meaux and Ali Martin being called heroes. They teach at the same high school and they were catching a movie together on their summer break when the shooting began. As Meaux threw herself on top of Ms. Martin to shield her friend, hit in the leg. And then Ms. Martin was also wounded but they managed to pull the fire alarm to alert authorities and theater workers.
Cammie Maturin is friend with both women. She joins me now. Cammie thanks so much for being with us. You've been in touch with both these women. How are they doing?
CAMMIE MATURIN, FRIEND OF TEACHERS WOUNDED IN SHOOTING: They're doing as best as they can in the situation that they were put in. With this tragedy, it's been difficult but they're both in the healing process.
COOPER: When you heard about how quickly they both sprang into action were you surprised by that at all?
MATURIN: Absolutely not. Both ladies are very soft hearted and they do things for others. And when it happen the first, and I heard exactly what they did, the first thing I thought about was they did everything they were trained to do. We're trained to do things like this and train for these types of situations but we're trained in the classroom. They just brought it outside into their personal lives into this theater on the night that this happened.
COOPER: Had they been through active shooter drills in a classroom? MATURIN: We go through a lock down process where we do things that we -- you know, we're taught to do. Not that there is an active shooter on campus, but we portray that there is one. We go through different drills all year long and have been for, as long as I've been a school teacher and a student. So they do -- they did everything that they were taught to do pretty much by the book.
COOPER: Yeah. It's just incredible. I mean its one thing to learn something in a simulation, to actually put it into practice, in the heat of the moment, I mean it just, it's so remarkable and I knew you've set up a GoFundMe page to help with medical expenses. Can you tell me the details of that?
MATURIN: Well when this first happened, another teacher got in touch with me because I am president of the local chapter of LAE, Louisiana Association of Educators, and she said, how can we raise funds to help with their medical expenses.
So my first mind was, okay, what is the quickest way to do it. So I went on GoFundMe, and started it. And I got a whole lot more support than I ever thought. This, the educators in this nation and even overseas have been such supporters along with a whole lot of other people in the communities and the nation. This has been a tragedy that has been positive, has come out of it.
COOPER: Well, we're going to put that address. Can you just quickly tell me the GoFundMe address? Do you have it?
MATURIN: It's www.GoFundMe.com and it's under heroic teachers.
COOPER: OK and we'll put the link to that on our web page at AC360.com and Cammie thank you so much. I appreciate you being on.
MATURIN: Thank you for having me.
COOPER: Well for more on the story and others go to cnn.com. Coming up, Whitney Houston's daughter, Bobbi Kristina Brown dead at the age of 22, nearly six months after she was found unresponsive in a bathtub in her home. What we now know about the investigation next.
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COOPER: A six-month vigil ended for the loved ones of Bobbi Kristina Brown. But how she died, that is still a mystery? The 22-year old daughter of singers Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown died yesterday in a hospice near Atlanta.
As you may know, she was found facedown, unresponsive in her bathtub back in January. Nearly three years to the day after her mother accidentally drowned in a bathtub in Beverly Hills.
The medical examiner said an autopsy completed today does not show an obvious underlying cause of death or any significant injuries. More tests though are pending. The district attorney is still deciding whether to bring criminal charges.
Joining me now is CNN Legal Analyst and Former Federal Prosecutor, Sunny Hostin.
In a moment, a CNN Contributor and Forensic Scientist Lawrence Kobilinsky of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice here in New York.
Does it surprise you that at this point with the preliminary autopsy and that there's still no definitive cause of death?
LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: No, it doesn't surprise me at all. The incident occurred six months as go. You might expect to see some evidence in the brain of hypoxic encephalopathy which means that the brain would be shrunk in, there would be areas...
COOPER: The brain being deprived of oxygen?
KOBILINSKY: That's right.
COOPER: OK.
KOBILINSKY: That's correct. And so -- but getting back to six months prior, what everybody is interested in is what caused her death? I think the answer is actually available not from the autopsy but in hospital records. There are unfortunately or fortunately, HIPAA laws that protect that information. But when she was brought to the hospital, there's no question that there were MRIs taken, obviously, toxicology.
COOPER: Toxicology reports.
KOBILINSKY: Absolutely, so if there were any kind of drugs in her system, alcohol, legal drugs, illegal drugs something that would give us a clue...
COOPER: Right.
KOBILINSKY: ... that data is available.
COOPER: Sunny, you were saying based on sources you've heard -- you have that the family blames or believes that her boyfriend played a role in all of this?
SUNNY HOSTIN, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: No question about that, Anderson. They have been very, very consistent with that since January. They explained to me that they felt he was being less than transparent in what happened that day. He wasn't giving them the answers that they were seeking.
COOPER: But if all of these evidence was already collected, there's not really much new evidence to be collected, six months is a long time for police to have investigated this, you know?
HOSTIN: That is true. That is true. Although I will tell you when there is this sort of criminal investigation, it is ongoing. And I know I say that all the time but it is very, very true. These are long-term investigations.
[21:30:00] You get witnesses that may not be willing to come forward early on but afterwards, they are more willing to come forward. And again, Nick Gordon is sort of this person that many believe and the family has those answers. Yet he hasn't been able to provide any.
COOPER: Professor, the testing that was already done when she was first admitted six months ago, would that be included in the results of the official autopsy?
KOBILINSKY: No. No. I don't think that that information would be available to anybody but the family at this point. And if the family wanted to release that information, they probably could. But for now, it's basically sealed. That gets more complicated because she was in a car accident...
COOPER: Right.
KOBILINSKY: ... a few days before the incident occurred. So, any trauma to the body could be explained by that.
COOPER: Or trauma that occurred in their attempts to save her life.
KOBILINSKY: In trying to save her through CPR, that's right.
COOPER: And Sunny, the Houston family, they filed a huge lawsuit against her boyfriend, right?
HOSTIN: They sure did. The conservator of her estate filed a lawsuit, a multimillion dollar lawsuit against Nick Gordon. And in that lawsuit which I have seen a copy of and I have read, they detailed the allegations that they have been telling me from the beginning.
Again, the allegations that she was missing certain teeth. The allegations that she had injuries to her body that they felt were consistent with some sort of struggle with Nick Gordon. Again, this is coming from the family.
COOPER: Right.
HOSTIN: You know they feel a certain way about Nick Gordon but they have maintained this from the very, very beginning.
COOPER: From the beginning. We'll see what happens.
Dr. Kobilinsky, great to have you, Sunny Hostin as well.
Up next, a road rage confrontation that was caught not on just one 911 call but actually on two from both vehicles involved. Both people involved in this road rage incident both called 911 and they remained on the phone all during it even while shots were being fired and one of them was killed.
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COOPER: And welcome back. In Florida, deadly road rage incident could be unfolding in not one but two 911 recordings. Both drivers called for help. Now on the tapes, you sense the anger, the panic and then you hear gunfire.
Randi Kaye reports.
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CATHY GONZALEZ, WIFE OF CANDELARIO GONZALEZ: Don't shoot.
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Those were the last words Cathy Gonzalez spoke before her husband was shot dead.
CATHY GONZALEZ: He just shot my husband.
KAYE: Her husband, 44-year-old Candelario Gonzalez was shot right in front of the couple's young daughter and grandson. This is the man who shot him, 51-year-old Robert Doyle. The two Florida men had crossed paths two and a half minutes earlier during a road rage incident with each car calling 911 to report the other.
CATHY GONZALEZ: We just driving a full-sized truck with a trailer. You know what I'm saying. You just don't just drive like idiots.
ROBERT DOYLE: I have a truck some maniac has been following me, trying to run me off the road.
KAYE: Doyle warns the operators he is heading home where he has a gun.
R. DOYLE: My gun's already out. It's cocked and locked.
KAYE: When Gonzalez tells 911 he is heading to Doyle's house, the operator tells him not to go there.
CANDELERIO GONZALEZ: We're going to follow him right to his house.
UNIDENTIFED MALE: No. No. No.
KAYE: He goes anyway. Gonzalez can be heard yelling at Doyle at the house before the shots were fired.
CANDELERIO GONZALEZ: I got your number buddy.
KAYE: Gonzalez's wife meanwhile was pleading for police to send help.
CATHY GONZALEZ: The son of a (inaudible) has -- got a gun. Get somebody here now.
KAYE: But it was too late. Doyle shot Gonzalez once, paused, then fired four more shots. The Citrus County Sheriff told us Gonzalez was shot once in the chest and three times in the back. Doyle fired five times but the sheriff says they believe Gonzalez was hit four times.
Doyle's wife quickly told the dispatcher what her husband had done.
JENNY DOYLE, ROBERT DOYLE'S WIFE: I don't know how many times he hit, but he fired multiple times. The guy just kept charging at him.
KAYE: Doyle then turned the gun on Gonzalez's wife. Forcing her and the children out of the car until police arrived. She could do nothing to try and save her dying husband.
CATHY GONZALEZ: The son of a (inaudible) is making me get out of the car with my daughter.
KAYE: A neighbor whose home was struck by one of the bullets told reporters he had always thought of Doyle as a good guy.
BRUCE GILLESPIE, ROBERT DOYLE'S NEIGHBOR: It's a shock to all of the people that really know him, you know. He is not the violent man.
KAYE: Robert Doyle was charged with second degree murder and three counts of aggravated assault. He's out on bond wearing an ankle monitor awaiting his next court date.
Randi Kaye, CNN New York.
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COOPER: There's lot to discuss here. Joining me now, Criminal Defense Attorney Jose Baez who famously represented Casey Anthony. Also, former Federal Prosecutor and our CNN Legal Analyst, Jeffrey Toobin.
Jose, the fact that this happened in Florida where they obviously have stand-your-ground laws on the books. How much does that going to help this man's defense?
JOSE BAEZ, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think it will help his defense to a certain extent of course. He still has to prove self- defense. And the stand-your-ground really only reflects the aspect of duty to retreat. He has no duty to retreat especially at his own home. But, first he's got to build up a good self defense case. Without that, stand-your-ground will go nowhere.
COOPER: It's interesting, Jeff because the shooter's wife is saying, well, he can't just kept running at my husband and yet according to police, he was shot three times in the back.
JEFFREY TOOBIN, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: Right and the shooter's wife is not necessarily going to seen by the jury as an objective, fair-minded witness even though it's sort of excited utterance at the time of the event. I think the fact that these are shots in the back and so many of them really makes a defense in this case very difficult.
COOPER: And Jose, the shooter held this man's wife and children captive until the police arrived. She couldn't even go apparently to help her husband. How does he defend doing that? BAEZ: Well those are going to be extremely difficult, much more difficult than, than the more serious charge because in the state of Florida, that carries a 3-year minimum mandatory per count. So if you take each person, that's three years mandatory prison per case.
[21:40:00] And I -- to comment briefly on what Jeffrey said, these are more contemporaneous statements than an excited utterance. So this happened as the events were occurring so I think while it isn't an independent witness, it should carry a little bit more weight in the sense that it was occurring, that person was talking and making these statement as they were actually happening.
TOOBIN: Right.
COOPER: Where just seconds after.
TOOBIN: But it conflicts with the physical evidence. The idea that he's running, I mean, the wife says he is running towards Doyle. If the -- if three of the gun -- weapon --gunshot wounds are in his back, that's a lot more persuasive than what his wife says, don't you think?
BAEZ: It is. But if you can recall, many times when you shoot someone in the chest, their body will turn and the subsequent shots can hit the person in the back. Then there's also issues with the autopsy where the entrance wounds, exit wounds, these are things that are still to be determined and could be determined on argue, their trial. So yes, while the back -- the injuries in the back are very concerning, it's not -- it doesn't end right there.
COOPER: Yeah. Although if you are shot in the chest and you're turned, spun around by it, I don't quite get how you continue to have forward momentum running toward the person you were running from. But again, it all depends on physical evidence.
The entire incident though, I mean, recorded on 911, you can hear it all escalate. Doyle is saying, you know, he's heard saying he's got a gun, the dispatcher is telling Gonzalez do not go to the house. I mean, it's remarkable to hear it all play out.
TOOBIN: It is. It is remarkable and there is lots of evidence that both sides can argue from. But again, you know, you do have one person who's dead and one person who -- I mean, obviously in retrospect, Gonzalez should have simply left the matter where it was. But all he did it appears is go to the house and try to look at the address. That's -- that's what the claim was. That decision cost him his life and even though, obviously, it was unwise to go to the house, that doesn't necessarily...
COOPER: And also, unwise to get out of the vehicle because I guess he want -- I mean, had he stayed on the street, Jose, if he had stayed on the street, even if he'd exit in his car but just stayed on the street as opposed to entering their driveway, is there a less of a case of stand-your-ground?
BAEZ: I don't think there's -- well, I do think there is less of a case because the person could have been depending on the direction of the car, the positioning of the cars. But, you know what's shocking is how this is eerily similar to the Zimmerman case where it became such a big issue of how the 911 dispatcher told them don't follow him. And here, you have a situation where it's almost identical where they're telling him, no, no, no.
And at the same time, he is endangering not only himself but his wife...
COOPER: Sure.
BAEZ: ... and his family. The whole thing, it is very eerily similar to that situation. And -- but yet, we have to remember something, it is a very scary thing when someone confronts you in a road rage incident and they actually get out of their car and they confront you. So, these are things the defense would use to just picture yourself in that situation where you arguing, it's not pretty, it's getting nasty and then someone actually takes the step to follow you home...
COOPER: Yeah.
BAEZ: ... get out of their car, you're on a hyperalert at that point and anything can happen and, unfortunately, in this situation it did.
COOPER: Just a reminder to everybody to just like take a breather in these situations.
TOOBIN: Yeah.
COOPER: You know.
TOOBIN: But Jose's got the blame the victim defense all teed up right there.
BAEZ: Well, I wouldn't go that far.
COOPER: We'll see what happens. Jose Baez, thank you, Jeff Toobin as well.
Well up next, a deadly escalator accident caught on tape. A mother was able to save her young son before getting sucked underneath the escalator, crushed to death in a matter of seconds.
Also ahead, never before seen photos of the Bush administration on September 11, 2001 facing the aftermath of the attacks.
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COOPER: It's a new look at an unforgettable day in American history. The story of the September 11 terror attacks told in photos that we have not seen until now. The National Archives has just released hundreds of photos of President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other in the administration as the horrifying events unfolded that day.
Brian Todd reports. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Even for a man familiar with high stress, these never before seen photos show another level, Dick Cheney wrapping his mind around the unthinkable. It's the morning of September 11th, 2001. In his office, the then vice president watches footage of a world trade center tower burning his foot on a desk.
JOHN HANNAH, CHENEY'S DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: That could well have been after the first tower was hit. At which point everybody I think believed it's odd, it's strange but it could very well and most probably is some kind of tragic accident.
TODD: Within minutes, the second tower is hit and the secret service tells the vice president, his office may not be a safe place.
DICK CHENEY, FMR. VICE PRESIDENT, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: My agent all of a sudden materialized beside me and said, sir, we have to leave now and grabbed me and propelled me out of my office and down the hall into the underground shelter in the White House.
TODD: Cheney is whisked to a place called the bunker, the president's emergency operations center. These newly declassified pictures taken by Cheney's photographer as September 11th unfolded had been held in the national archives, released for the first time now as part of a Freedom of Information Act request. Inside the bunker, the body language illustrates the strain, with National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice seated next to him, aids are shoulder to shoulder crowded around Cheney taking and giving instructions, desperate for information.
JOSEPH HAGIN, FMR. DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: The stress was immense. It was very real and could have been debilitating. It was so strong but people really rallied.
TODD: In those early moments, captured in these images, Cheney and his aids are still unsure of where the fourth hijacked plane is.
HANNAH: There was a possibility that there could be a decapitation strike. They've gone after our financial centers, our military centers and tower and now, were coming after the political leadership as well.
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TODD: From inside that bunker, Cheney orders fighter jets to shoot down the fourth passenger plane, an operation that wouldn't be needed.
Later, the president arrives and is seen consulting with Cheney. Perhaps, even more stunning, for the first time, we see Cheney and his wife, Lynne boarding their helicopter, Marine 2 on the White House lawn, flown to what for years have been called only an undisclosed location. We now know that first location was Camp David.
HANNAH: If the president needed to be in Washington, needed to be available to the public, needed to be at the White House. So, the decision was that the vice president was the one who at least for those first several weeks was going to be at a remote secured location.
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CO0PER: Incredible to see those. Brian Todd, reporting.
There was a lot more happening tonight. Gary Tuchman has our 360 bulletin, Gary?
GARY TUCHMAN, CNN REPORTER: Anderson, the committee of former prosecutors and defense attorneys will help review will help Sandra Bland's traffic stop and death in a Texas jail cell. They will work along with the DA.'S office and make recommendations on whether the state trooper who pulled her over or anyone else should be charged. The case could go to a grand jury as soon as next month.
The latest issue of New York Magazine features photos and the stories of 35 women who have accused comedian Bill Cosby of sexual assault. The women in the cover story range in age from 44 to 80. Cosby has long denied the allegations against him and has never been charged with a crime. But in a 2005 court deposition made public early of this month, he said he intended to give Quaaludes to women he wanted to have sex with.
Police in West Virginia say an escort shot and killed the man who attacked her and now the man maybe linked to the murders of multiple prostitutes in several states. Authorities say they found a kill kit in this car, with handcuffs, shovels and much more.
And in China, a frightening scene that's very hard to watch. A mother and her young son riding an escalator, when they reached the top, the floor gives way. The mother heroically pushes her son to safety. Sadly, she was killed, crushed by the machinery. It took authorities four hours to find her body. That poor woman is just...
COOPER: Unbelievable. Gary, thank you very much.
Still ahead, 1200 guns, seven tons of ammo found in one dead man's home. The question is who was he and what was he going use all that for? The discovery coming up.
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COOPER: Mysterious life and death to Taliban California, Jeffrey Alan Lash was discovered dead in a parked SUV near his Los Angeles area home. He had been dead for weeks. His fiancee knew he was there but never contacted authorities. Those were his wishes apparently. Lash was so reclusive, so under the radar is the only known picture of him. When police went to his home, they made another surprising discovery. That's the picture right there. An arsenal of weapons and ammo like they hadn't seen ever before. Kyung Lah, had the story.
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KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Private investigator, Scott Ross trying to unlock a mystery. Why would one man...
SCOTT ROSS, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: $495 price tag.
LAH: Have weapons like this?
ROSS: Clip holsters.
LAH: Holsters, gun locks, cleaners, casings.
ROSS: It's just one box and there are hundreds, hundreds, hundreds.
LAH: That's an understatement. Police seized 1,200 firearms from this upscale pacific palisades town home. That's right, 1200 pristine new guns, some, with the tags still on them. Officers also found nearly seven tons, yes, tons of ammunition, the largest weapon seizure from one home that the LAPD recalls.
ANDREW SMITH, LOS ANGELES POLICE: And he basically had an assembly line where they pass them from one to another into the truck, until the truck was filled with guns and ammo, we had to go and bring back another truck.
LAH: That's not all police found, piles of cash, $230,000. As to what he planned to do with that all, we may never know. That's because Jeffry Alan Lash, age 60 was found in this SUV just outside his condo, decomposing there for more than two weeks. Lash's life, intensely private, became public when his fiancee called lawyer Harland Braun.
HARLAND BRAUN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I just assumed that she was a crazy lady who was coming up with some bizarre story.
LAH: The story that she told, Lash worked from multiple secret government spy agencies. He collected weapons. Lash also suffered from cancer and as it turns out, his fiancee is the one who helped him into the car putting a blanket over his body. When he died, Lash promised his fiancee his "People would take care of everything" taking away his bodies and his guns.
UNIDENTIIED FEMALE: She believed him?
BRAUN: Absolutely. For 17 years, she believed him. Probably very intelligent, very manipulative person or maybe it's actually true and maybe she believed what was true. He wasn't a drug dealer and he wasn't a survivalist, he wasn't a gun merchant and it's inexplicable at this time.
LAH: One of the many mystifying parts for investigators, Lash appeared to have no income, no job, no criminal record, no family. But you can't just dismiss him as a hoarder because he amassed a weapons collection worth millions. So, who is Jeffrey Alan Lash? ROBERT RENTZER, JEFFREY ALAN LASH'S ATTORNEY: Well just a nice ordinary guy with a fascination for weapons.
LAH: That may be but even Lash's own attorney of 30 years can't explain where he got all the money.
RENTZER: We never spoke about what he did for a living and that's because I had the impression he didn't do anything for a living.
COOPER: It's so bizarre. I mean, I don't know. Did he inherit money? I mean, is it even legal to have that many weapons, I guess? I guess it is.
LAH: Well, as crazy as it sounds because we asked that question to the LAPD, there isn't a limit of how many weapons you can own. He can own even more if they are all registered. If they are legal in the state, if they are secured, that's what the LAPD is working through the bigger concern with them, Anderson is this is a fire zone, all of California is. Imagine if there had been a fire with 6.5 tons of ammunition inside this home, Anderson.
COOPER: Kyung, it's incredible. Thanks very much. That does it for us. We'll see you again at 11:00 p.m. eastern for another edition of 360.
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