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Sanders, Clinton Share Same Stage Again Tonight; New N.H. Tracking Poll: Sanders Has 2-To-1 Lead Over Clinton; Jeb Bush Campaigns With Mom Barbara; How Trump Decides?; Bush, Christie Both Slamming Rubio; Trump Answers Voter's Questions; Trump: Compromise Is Not A Dirty Word; Trump On How His Brother's Death Affected Him; The Clintons & New Hampshire; The Clintons' Ties To New Hampshire; Life On The Campaign Trail For Our Producers. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired February 05, 2016 - 21:00 ET
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[21:00:45] ANDERSON COOPER, AC360 HOST: Good evening, 9:00 p. m. Eastern Time. Crunch time in New Hampshire. Just a weekend to go before the nation's first primary. For some of the candidates, it could be their last or their first and last primary I should say.
Or in the case of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, it could be the beginning of a long, tough battle. He's at a state Democratic Party function along with Secretary Hillary Clinton. And they are both facing new CNN/WMUR tracking poll numbers tonight. Among likely democratic voter Senator Sanders is holding on to a big lead nearly two to one over Secretary Clinton with most of the data coming after the debate last night.
Now the Republican side, it's Donald Trump followed by Marco Rubio is 11 points back, then Ted Cruz and John Kasich tie for third and Jeb Bush running fourth at 9 percent.
For Governor Bush as it's been almost really the entire campaign, it's a challenge which is why lately he's leaning heavily on someone very close and very politically savvy. She's a senior member along with her husband George and her late father-in-law Senator Prescott Bush in what someone called the Bush family business, she of course is Former First Lady Barbara Bush. Today she and her son spoke in link for CNN Special Correspondent, Jamie Gangel.
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JAMIE GANGEL, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: The enforcer, your secret weapon has come to New Hampshire because ...
JEB BUSH, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Because she loves me. I'm her favorite son, temporarily. She is incredibly popular. The connection between mom and dad and people here in the Granite State is phenomenal. Anybody that has lived through all these campaigns can remember having dinner, having a picture, having a handwritten thank you note, going to Kennebunkport.
There is just a connection that is phenomenal. And I learned it by coming here and doing 90 separate events, some 25 trips, and its just she's incredibly popular as you might expect.
GANGEL: Right, she's your not so secret, secret weapon.
J. BUSH: It's not, exactly.
GANGEL: You're his mother. You are prejudiced, obviously. But tell us why you think Jeb would be a great president?
BARBARA BUSH, FORMER FIRST LADY: He has the best record. He's wise, he's decent. He knows American values. He knows the values of people in New Hampshire. I mean they care about their country. I love my country. I adore my child. Every mother in New Hampshire knows why I'm here, period. They know.
GANGEL: Is he your favorite son?
B. BUSH: Today.
J. BUSH: It always gets a laugh when I say that so I keep saying that until no one stops I guess no one. The day that he appear no one -- laughs anymore, I'll stop saying it.
GANGEL: You got quite a crowd last night.
J. BUSH: Yeah.
GANGEL: And you'll also got the emotional.
J. BUSH: Yeah.
GANGEL: Because.
J. BUSH: Because look, my mom doesn't have to be doing this. She's got her stroller with her Jeb sticker on it.
GANGEL: Right.
J. BUSH: She's 90 years old. It's pretty. It's a pretty big ask to ask someone to fly from Houston, Texas to come up here in the snow campaigning in front of people to relive all those things she used to do, you know, quite naturally. It was a big sacrifice. Every time I see my mom, I think about my dad.
B. BUSH: It was no sacrifice, trust me. A great treat.
GANGEL: It is no secret this has been a rough race for him.
B. BUSH: For everybody.
GANGEL: For everybody. Why do you think it's been so rough for Jeb?
B. BUSH: I don't think it's been rougher for Jeb than anyone else. I think, honestly, the press does not ever mention Jeb. And I think they don't. I mean he's a non-person, and they should mention him because he's the best qualified. He has the best record. He was a great governor. I think they should mention it. GANGEL: I heard you say that you think he's too polite.
B. BUSH: I do think he is too polite he won't interrupt. The others interrupt all the time, and he ought to butt in, but that's because he's too nice.
J. BUSH: You know, there's no such thing as being too nice. Nice being nice doesn't mean you're not strong that you don't have fortitude. I got to be governor of the largest swing state in the country. I made really tough decisions. But you don't have to disparage people. That's not a sign of strength.
In the reality TV world we're living in, you know, insulting people is measured by strength but that's just ridiculous.
[21:05:01] We're electing a president. Presidents need to have a steady hand, and they need to be strong on behalf of people that are struggling. So I don't think I'm getting a bad shake here with the press. I don't think - I'm, you know, I'm focused on earning it.
And the expectations are high on me because of family, and I have higher expectations than anybody else on myself. So I don't feel bad at all. In fact, you know, what's weird about this, this is supposed to be a rough and tumble election. This is pretty tame compared to previous elections. At least, I mean ...
GANGEL: Really?
J. BUSH: Yeah, I mean it's crazy. You got people saying crazy stuff. But in terms of the give and take, there's nothing different about this in previous elections. Ask Mitt Romney what it was like to get hit by the Obama team or rowdy raucous debates of the primary. Ask my brother, ask my, you know, my dad. This is nothing different.
GANGEL: But none of them had Donald Trump.
J. BUSH: That's true.
GANGEL: Out there.
J. BUSH: No, that's different.
GANGEL: Have you ever seen a race like this?
B. BUSH: No, but as Jeb says, every race is different. But it is slightly shocking to me.
GANGEL: Because?
B. BUSH: Because he doesn't give many answers to how he would solve problems. He sort of makes faces and says insulting things. I mean he's said terrible things about women. Terrible things about military. I don't understand why people are for him for that reason.
I'm a woman. I'm not crazy about what he says about women.
GANGEL: He's called Jeb, low energy. He's called him dumb as a rock. Between us, what do you really think of Donald Trump?
J. BUSH: Be careful, mom.
B. BUSH: He's not dumb as a rock, nor is he what the other thing he called you.
GANGEL: Low energy.
B. BUSH: That is just not true at all. He's got lots of energy. He's been up here how many times?
J. BUSH: Mom is with us, this is my second home. Look, measuring strength by how loud you are or how you push people down to make yourself look good, is a sign of deep insecurity. It's not a sign of strength.
GANGLE: Mrs. Bush, what do you think of Donald Trump? You are known for being blunt and plainspoken.
B. BUSH: I don't think about him at all.
GANGEL: Really?
B. BUSH: I think about Jeb and the qualifying candidate.
GANGEL: Is it true your husband sometimes throw things, a shoe ...
B. BUSH: No, that's the silliest thing. He can't even throw anymore. He's got Parkinson's. If he throw, he wouldn't aim anyway, but he's wonderful, my husband. He's very much for Jeb, and very proud of him.
GANGEL: Jeb, you have talked about a minute ago, you said that there's a lot of pressure on you living up to your family. You have struggled with how you balance being your own man.
J. BUSH: Yeah.
GANGEL: And your family. Now your mom is up here campaigning for you. Your brother has just cut ad for you. Have you changed strategy?
J. BUSH: No. And I didn't say I'm struggling with being a Bush. I'm 62 years old for crying out loud. I stopped getting therapy about this a long time ago. You know, I did it when I was in my mid-20s. I'm a goal-driven guy. Got out of college in two years. Already had a family. I decided I wanted to be half the man my dad was.
And my adult life has worked out pretty good, if I can get to half as good as he is in terms of being a husband, a father, a person that cares about people. So I don't have any struggles about being a Bush. It's not the conflict at all. The fact that my brother is supporting me and my mom is up here campaigning, the way I think about it, it would be kind of weird if they weren't. What would that say?
GANGEL: Right. Donald Trump is still leading in the polls. And Wolf Blitzer recently asked your supporter, Senator Lindsey Graham, if he would support the Republican nominee, even if Trump wins and Lindsey Graham said, yep, I'm buying a ticket on the "Titanic", vintage Lindsey Graham. You have repeatedly said Donald Trump is not going to be the nominee.
J.BUSH: Yeah.
GANGEL: But he is still leading in the polls.
J. BUSH: Sure.
GANGEL: If he is the nominee, are you buying a ticket on the "Titanic," too?
J. BUSH: I can't spin a line like Lindsey. I will support the Republican nominee no matter who he or she is, period. I've done it my entire adult life. I've signed a pledge to do it, I'll do it.
[21:10:04] I want to win, though. I want the Republican Party's candidate to win. I want a conservative to serve in the White House. I believe, I'm best qualified that's why I'm fighting for this.
GANGEL: You have a new ad coming out that contrasts you and Marco Rubio.
J. BUSH: Yeah.
GANGEL: Right now, he is leading in the polls. Going into New Hampshire. Is it hurting the establishment lane if you are attacking him?
J. BUSH: He's attacking me. So does that count or is this just only a one-way street? Is this the child of privilege that has a free pass when everybody else has to fight for it? This isn't beanbag, you know, this is -- politics.
Every campaign will be -- every candidate will be contrasted and compared. Their records need to be shown. He has no record of accomplishment. He's a gifted politician. He got elected at the age of 26. He is very charismatic and he is a wonderful person. But he don't have a record.
GANGEL: Chris Christie has been going, as we say, full New Jersey. He has taken the gloves off, attacking Marco Rubio, and there was a report that your campaign and his campaign behind the scenes are coordinated.
J. BUSH: No, no, and I'm ...
GANGEL: Absolutely not?
J. BUSH: No, I've gotten the full New Jersey from Christie during this campaign and it's good not to be his target because he's pretty good at that stuff. Look, John Kasich and Chris Christie and I share one common feature. We had to make tough decisions. They do it today as governor. I did it for eight years. My record of accomplishments out there for the world to see. And other candidates, they may have the virtues of being a great speaker. And I'm sure they'll brag about that. But my record is a record of accomplishment. I don't need to have it coordinated with anybody.
GANGEL: There's a theory out there that it's personal between you and Marco Rubio.
J. BUSH: Not at all.
GANGEL: That if you're not going to win, you're going to make sure he doesn't win.
J. BUSH: No, no. I will support the republican nominee. As I always have. I've always worked hard to elect the most conservative person to be president of the United States because I think that philosophy is the one that can lift people out of poverty. Can create income for the middle class. Can keep us safe. There's nothing personal about this at all.
GANGEL: Mrs. Bush, going into New Hampshire, what would you like people to know about your son?
B. BUSH: I'd like them to know he's wise and decent and he has values that we want our children to have. That he wants to serve. I think that's very important. I'd like to remind you, George Bush came out of Iowa with big mo and then there was no mo after that.
So, remember, the campaign is just starting, and I want them to know that Jeb is the finest man almost I know. He's very much same values of service that his father has. And his brothers, and his sister, and maybe his old lady.
J. BUSH: That's you?
B. BUSH: Me.
J. BUSH: You're not my old lady.
GANGEL: You dodged me on Donald Trump. Do you want it?
B. BUSH: No.
GANGEL: You want to go full New Jersey on Donald Trump?
B. BUSH: No, no, I do not. I don't even think about him. I'm sick of him. That's very strong.
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COOPER: Jamie Gangel joins us now from Manchester, New Hampshire. You got a long history interviewing the Bush family. What stands out to you this time?
GANGEL: Well, I think two things. They are political pros. They've won races. They've lost races. They know what it's like. They don't give up, and this may sound a little corny, but when Jeb talks about expectations, you know, many of us are raised with high expectations. I think the bar is very high in that family, and I think that it's -- he does feel a certain burden.
And it's a sort of interesting having interviewed the father, the brother, Jeb, to see that they all have this sense of living up to the family's expectations.
COOPER: But it's also great to see Barbara Bush out there. I mean she's looking great. And, you know, clearly still very deeply involved. I mean she's known to be, you know, a straight shooter, very blunt.
Does she still have that spark out in a campaign trail interacting with people. I imagine she does.
GANGEL: Yeah. Absolutely. She is a rock star out there, she is funny. She is sharp. When she wants to, she certainly knows how to go full New Jersey.
[21:15:01] She's, you know, people really respond to her. And she's very sharp in her opinions. And there's no question that she has said some tougher things about Donald Trump than she was willing to say on camera.today when you heard Jeb say to her, be careful, mom, he meant it. They do not call her the enforcer for nothing, but it's really remarkable to see her at 90 out there. She's terrific.
COOPER: I know. Great to see you. Jamie Gangel, thank you so much.
More in that question Jamie had are Jeb Bush and Chris Christie essentially teaming up on Marco Rubio? We'll play you a pair of attack ads and they're people asking just that question.
And later, more on my interview with Donald Trump. And very important thing for voters to know decision making. We'll talk about how he goes about it.
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COOPER: It's an old story. Two guys being chased by a bear. One says, I hope we can outrun it. The other plus, I don't have to outrun it. I only have to outrun you, which is how political campaign usually work every candidate for himself or herself.
Right now, the New Hampshire Republican race is exactly the opposite. Chris Christie and Jeb Bush almost seem at times to be teaming up on Marco Rubio. They usually deny it, the front-runner and what's being called the establishment lane not only have they each taken ample shots at him, they're also now running very similar attack ads. Take a look.
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JOE SCARBOROUGH, MSNBC MORNING JOE HOST: What do you list as Marco Rubio's top accomplishment that made you decide to endorse him?
RICK SANTORUM, FORMER SENATOR: There's a guy who has been able to, number one, win a tough election in Florida.
[21:20:05] SCARBOROUGH: Can you name his top accomplishment?
SANTORUM: My feeling on Marco is someone who has tremendous potential, tremendous gifts, I guess start to say there accomplish.
SCARBOROUGH: And I'll ask it one more time. List one accomplishment that Marco Rubio has achieved in four years in the United States Senate.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI, MSNBC MORNING JOE HOST: Jeb Bush ran Florida. Marco Rubio finished a sentence.
SANTORUM: Well, I mean, I would just say that there's a guy who's been able to, number one -- the bottom line is, there isn't a whole lot of accomplishments Joe, and I just don't think it's a fair question.
BUSH: I'm Jeb Bush, and I approve this message.
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COOPER: Two ads, one sound bite, one scathing message and more from our Gary Tuchman.
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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Chris Christie with a campaign stop at a pizza place in Sandown, New Hampshire. No matter how you slice it, he's got some work to do ...
CHRIS CHRISTIE, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you all for coming today.
TUCHMAN: ... to be competitive in the Granite State. So he's made a conscious decision to criticize fellow Republican Marco Rubio. And some of his supporters have no problems with making Rubio a target.
So do you think Christie by talking negatively about Rubio is a good strategy for him?
BRIAN DOOLEY, CHRISTIE SUPPOTER: I don't view it as negative. I view it as contrasting the strengths and weaknesses of each candidate.
STEVE WOODS, CHRISTIE SUPPOTER: I think Christie has the edge over Rubio just because of his leadership experience versus what Rubio has.
TUCHMAN: Indeed, the message Christie is trying to send is that Rubio doesn't have enough experience. And some at this pizza restaurant think at this point in the campaign, that's a good tactic.
JAMES DEVINE, CHRISTIE SUPPOTER: He's absolutely right there. He has an experience.
TUCHMAN: Chris Christie is investing quite a bit of time in New Hampshire. If he does poorly here, it's hard to see a path to victory. So that's why Marco Rubio's decency comes as a threat to him. And that's why he's adopted the strategy of trying to convince people considering Rubio to reconsider.
Jeb Bush has been critical of his fellow Floridian and former protege, too. And while some of his supporters also agree with his line of attack, some have misgivings.
RENE PAQUIN, BUSH SUPPORTER: I honestly wish that politicians did not criticize anyone else.
TUCHMAN: Many of Bush and Christie supporters are torn. They want their candidates to get their mojo back but are concerned negative campaigning can backfire.
ERIC GLEASON, CHRISTIE SUPPORTER: You always want to accentuate your own strengths and to attack anybody. I mean, I wouldn't say it's the best strategy, but it's a strategy.
TUCHMAN: And it's a strategy that shows no signs of letting up.
Can we expect to keep hearing about Marco Rubio from you over the next few days?
CHRISTIE: Well, I hope he'll be one of the (inaudible). But, you know, he's gotten some momentum from Iowa and I think everybody has to consider what that vote means if that's the place during (inaudible). But I get asked about other folks, I'll talk about them, too.
TUCHMAN: So expect the attacks to continue as the days wind down to the nation's first presidential primary.
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COOPER: Gary joins us now from Manchester. Did you talk to any people of those rallies who felt Christie or Bush should have been more critical about their opponents earlier in their campaign like Donald Trump has been doing?
TUCHMAN: Yeah. We talked to a few people who felt that way particularly at the pizza place of the Chris Christie rally. One of the gentlemen I talked to, they're said that, Christie needed to be more aggressive early on, needs to keep being aggressive now and it just been too nice of a guy.
And of course, Anderson, it's a high irony because Christie is not exactly known as the shy retiring type, but Donald Trump is pretty much it clips Christie and everyone else in the race with temperament issues, Anderson.
COOPER: Gary, thanks very much.
Joining us to talk about the political punches and whether they're connecting. Conservative Writer and National Review Contributor, Mona Charen, a Rubio supporter. Also a Bush supporter, Rubio friend and CNN Political Commentator, Ana Navarro. Ana, does it make sense for Jeb Bush and Chris Christie to go after Marco Rubio so hard? I mean, doesn't it just keep the so-called establishment lane divided which, critic would say, would make it easier for Donald Trump, for Ted Cruz to maintain or build support?
ANA NAVARRO, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: You know, Anderson, it's a Republican primary. It is a tough context and it's a tough race. This is not paddy cake, you know, in the playground of a school. They are competing for the big chair in the Oval Office.
And, yes, they're going to hit each other. They're going to be tactical about it. It has come to this. And I will tell you I think that it's going to get a lot tougher in the next two to three days here.
COOPER: Mona, the publisher of the "Union Leader" newspaper, which is widely read influential in New Hampshire that has endorsed Christie. They wrote an editorial this week and they said, "Young Rubio must think New Hampshire a bunch of rubes. He hasn't spent much time here but he's trying to sell himself with T.V. ads as someone who can go to Washington to clean up the Washington mess. Earth to Rubio, you are a U.S. senator. The senate meets in Washington. You are hardly an outsider.''
How do you pushback in that argument, that's it's a bit disingenuous for a sitting U.S. senator, you know, and to be fair with Marco Rubio, isn't the only, Ted Cruz, Sanders do it as well to paint themselves as Washington outsiders.
MONA CHAREN, RUBIO SUPPORTER: Well, look. This has become one of the means this year. Are you part of the establishment? Are you an outsider? And honestly, these terms have lost any meaning at this point.
[21:25:04] They've just become epithets that are thrown around at people you don't like.
But regarding Jeb Bush's attacks on Rubio, I find it really kind of sad because I have long been a Jeb Bush fan. And I wish that he were more -- that the voters were more receptive to him, but they're not. They're clearly not.
He has the worst standing of any Republican in the field with general election voters with the exception of Donald Trump.
And it's a shame that Bush is deciding at this stage, having seen the very, very abysmal results that he achieves in Iowa to turn with such ferocity on his former friend and ally, Marco Rubio, rather than use the techniques that he used in his very inspirational announcement speech for example, which was the best of Jeb Bush.
And now we're seeing sort of the gutter politician. Not a good way to end it, in my opinion.
COOPER: Ana, how personal has this become? NAVARRO: They are all, I mean, can I just say, though, they are all trying to drink out of the same bowl whether it's Kasich, Christie, Rubio, Jeb.
You know, Marco is trying to straddle both sides of this fence right now, right. He's trying to say, I can bring together the establishment and the base.
CHAREN: Well, that's not, that's not ...
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NAVARRO: ... and yet to be seen.
CHAREN: That being said, though.
COOPER: One at a time, let her finish.
NAVARRO: Let me just finish because you went on for a long time against Jeb.
And, you know, it's what it is. It mean a lot of people would say to you that they are very angry and they think it's very sad that his former protege is running against the guy who probably made it possible for him to have a political career in Florida.
That being said, we are where we are. And believe you me, it is not any more painful for you than it is for me who is a friend that has known both of them practically my entire adult life.
But I come to accept that this is where we are. We are in the midst of a Republican primary. There's a lot of crossfire going on and it is not just Jeb and Marco. It's Marco, it's Jeb, it's Kasich, it's Christie, it's Trump. It's Cruz, its Carson versus Cruz.
So, you know, let's just figure it out that, you know, we've got to get through this. And it's not going to be kumbaya for a while.
COOPER: Mona, isn't this just what happens in the rough and tumble of the, you know, final days of a campaign?
CHAREN: Oh, sure, yeah. You know, I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I understand the politics can be a little sloppy and a little dirty.
I'm just saying that it's, you know, when you look at the ads for example that Bush is running against Rubio, they are really, I mean, they're kind of silly because this is the narcissism of small differences.
COOPER: We got to look there. Mona Charen, Ana Navarro, thank you both. Appreciate it. Have a good weekend.
CHAREN: You too.
COOPER: Up next, more of my conversation with Donald Trump including the question that some of his party now have, would the author of "The art of the Deal" make too many deals with the other side if he gets to D.C.
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[21:31:55] COOPER: More on my interview now with Donald Trump up close and personal. Yesterday he took questions from voters at Theo's Restaurant in Manchester, New Hampshire. Today he even made quip about having dinner with one voter who was leaning toward voting for him but not 100 percent sure.
It became kind of a running joke and was a casual atmosphere their in the restaurant but some of the voters questions tackled the bigger issues. Take a look.
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COOPER: You take about taking Brian to dinner maybe I'll take him to dinner Timothy's Restaurant. This is Timothy Baines he is a restaurant owner. He says his still undecided. So you could convince him as well. Timothy.
TIMOTHY BAINES, RESTAURANT OWNER: Yes. Hi, Mr. Trump. I own a small restaurant here in Manchester and interact with young people on a daily basis. It's clear they don't trust Washington.
TRUMP: I don't either, Timothy less than anybody maybe. Not too much.
BAINES: Absolutely. It's a polarized environment. And I feel like a lot of that is because of our most recent two presidents. What tools will you bring to the table to be able to work with people on both sides of the aisle?
TRUMP: It's a great question, you know, in Manhattan, I built a tremendous company and somebody was mentioning today, I built a job, I built really a city on the west side of Manhattan. You know it very well, Anderson, Trump place. And it goes from 72nd street to 59th street.
I had to get zoning. Now, this might sound simple. This was, Anderson would understand people that are in Manhattan you would ...
COOPER: It's not an easy thing to do.
TRUMP: I was told that it was impossible, in fact I bought a land very inexpensive, because if people said it was impossible to ever get it done. I got it zoned for a 6,000, almost 6,000-unit job with tremendous shopping, with tremendous parking, thousands and thousands of spaces.
I got it zoned for one of the great jobs and it's been a tremendous success. It did a great job to get that zone and to get that taking care of, you can negotiate anything. One other thing I say I just got the old post office recently on Pennsylvania Avenue, I'm building and Hotel. Every major company in the country wanted that hotel company. And I got that. Who did I get it from? The Obama Administration. If you think about it, right. I had a great plan, I have a great balance sheet. I got it from Obama. We can solve problems if we help people that are now.
COOPER: Politically, though, you are polarizing but you're saying once you get to Washington you can actually get deals done?
TRUMP: I get along with people. Look Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill were very opposite. They get along, they had a great relation, they really liked each other.
COOPER: For some polls ...
TRUMP: Compromise is not a dirty word but we have to get a much better part of the compromise. It's not a dirty. I mean we have people that will never be able to make deals. You know, somebody said, oh, he'll make deals. I'm going to make good deals. That's what I do. I made billions of dollars by making good.
COOPER: There are some conservatives who worry you'll make deal too much that you'll compromise too much on conservative principles.
TRUMP: I'm not a huge compromiser. I have to tell. I make great deals. I make deals I own some of the greatest assets in the world. People wanted them everybody ...
COOPER: Is it important to get a deal or just stand on a principle?
TRUMP: You have to -- both. Honestly, you have to both. You'll get the deal done but only if it's right. For instant on the Iran deal, I would never started negotiating that deal unless they let our prisoners go first. I would gone in I would settle this and got to let our prisoners go. They would say no, I would walk, I would have doubled up the sanctions within 24 hours, they would have let the prisoners go.
Then I would gone in. Now I would gone a second bite, I would say listen, we are a busted country. We have no money. We owe $19 trillion. Because I want to take my father always says, take the lumps out. He used to say son, take the lumps out. OK.
[21:35:06] COOPER: And what's does that mean?
TRUMP: That means make it a little bit nicer.
COOPER: OK.
TRUMP: Because normally I go and say, we're not giving you the 150 billion. So instead I would say fellas, we owe $19 trillion. We're a country that has no money. We can't give you the 150. They'll say, "But we want it." I'll say, "We don't have it, we don't have it." That's called taking the lumps out. That supposed to.
OK. They will go crazy. It will break up. Two days later, they'll call back, let's make a deal. We keep the $150 billion.
And by the way, what have they done? Well, they started to like me but I'm liking this guy. I think I got him. I think I have them both.
But you know what? What have we done with 150? What have they done? They bought 118 airbus planes, not Boeing Planes. They're spending all of their money in Europe. They're giving Russia a big chunks of money for missiles. I didn't even know they were allowed to buy missiles? Why are they allowed to buy missiles?
It's so unfair and so incompetent.
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COOPER: We'll just have more of my interview with Trump. Wasn't all policy talk, he open up about his family including his wife. Here's how he described the moment that he knew he has in news.
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TRUMP: I was at a party and I was a single person at a party and she was standing and there were three or four supermodels. And I said, "Oh look whose here. Its super model, super model." And I say, "Forget about them. I like that one. Who is that?"
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[21:40:13] COOPER: More now from my conversation in New Hampshire with Donald Trump and the voters. Before finishing up the interview which switched gears, we got a little more personal.
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COOPER: These small mediums are nice in New Hampshire because it allows people to get to see you both your policies and also your personal side.
TRUMP: Right.
COOPER: So I just want to end with just a couple kind of personal questions.
TRUMP: OK.
COOPER: One, I was fascinated by this "Wall Street Journal" article last week or so. I talked to the reporter about it about how you make decisions.
Because I thought it was a real insight into you as a person and as a potential leader. She was on your plane, she saw -- when you speech -- when you speak, you take out a piece of paper, you have like bullet points, like five bullet points, you kind of speak extemporaneously. And then a lot of your decision-making according this "Wall Street Journal" report, I want to as you about it. Is really from your gut. It's you in a room on your plane, you're reading polls, you're watching television, you're thinking and then you say, "You know what, Ted Cruz has been riding too high in Iowa. We're going to take him down and this is how we're going to do it." Is that how you make decisions?
TRUMP: Look, I think, you know, I'm born with a very good memory so I get credit for making speech. You know, I spoke yesterday in Arkansas. We had the biggest crowd they've ever had in this stadium of 1972.
ZZ Top had the record from 1972. Can you believe it? And I said, "Nobody's going to believe it, so ask the head of the stadium to get up.'' And then he announced it over this by.
I'm fortunate that I have a good memory where I can make speeches without having to use notes and without having to read them on TelePrompTers and other things. OK. I will say, "If you're running for president, you shouldn't be allowed to use a TelePrompTer because people don't really get to know who you are.''
But I will say, Anderson, I put things into my brain. I listen to you. I listen to this. I listen to everybody. And in the end, you have to make a decision.
COOPER: But you do have -- it seems to me, you have a very finely tuned antenna to what your supporters want, what your -- your instincts seem very well honed for somebody who has not been in the political realm for a long time, wherever.
TRUMP: Well, that's the one thing -- you know, I've only been a politician for seven months. I hate to even call myself a politician. But I've only been a politician for a short period of time.
And, you know, look, I've always been a business person. I've been a jobs creator. I've created tens of thousands of jobs over my lifetime. So now it's different. I enjoy it. I love the debates. I mean, I've really like the debates. I've like doing the whole process. But it's a very different process.
One of the reasons I like it because know I can fix it. I was on the other side of it. I know how it works. When I talk about with these questions, which a great questions, when I talk about the drug companies how they control the price of drugs. They control, why wouldn't anybody say bid out the drugs? It's not because there's no, but it's because the politicians are essentially legally paid off. They are legally paid off, OK, not to touch the drugs.
I mean, can you imagine when I go in and say, "By the way, instead of you people making $300 million extra year, we're going to save it for the government.'' They're going to go, "Well, but there's nothing they can do about it.''
COOPER: How do you relax? Because, you know, obviously you play golf. How do you decompress? Because you're-- you don't sleep much, I understand.
TRUMP: No, not too much. I sort of -- I'm relaxing now. Isn't it a crazy thing? I feel that I'm a worker. I have to work hard. I love to work.
If I were a president, I would be in the White House a lot. I wouldn't be taking trips all over the place to, you know, for whatever reason. Why would you leave the White House? You know, it's interesting. You're there for a limited period of time, OK. You're not going to be there forever. Why would you have -- I would be there so much but I'd be working. I'm a worker. I would be working.
When I go on a vacation -- I once went on a vacation where there had no phones. I was out of there and one day said -- OK. We've got to work. We need a working president.
COOPER: You and I have something in common. We both lost our older brothers. And you lost your older brother in 1981, I believe, I did in 1988. What impact did that have in your life?
TRUMP: It had a great impact. He was a great guy. He was the most handsome guy. He had the best personality who was life of the ...
COOPER: An airline's pilot.
TRUMP: Name was Fred. He was a pilot -- he was a great pilot actually. He was very talented. Other pilots used to come over to the house, they would always tell me, he was the most talented. But he got hooked on alcohol.
And I told his family. I said, you know, his legacy is great because what I'm doing -- so many people, they talked about it, he got hooked on alcohol. Just hooked. And ultimately it just was devastating. That's why I don't drink. I don't drink. I don't drink. I don't smoke cigarettes. I don't take drugs. Those are the three good things. I won't tell you the bad things, OK.
But my brother Fred was a great guy. He had everything. I mean the most handsome guy. And then he got hooked, and it was nothing -- and by the way, nothing we could do about it.
And I've seen strong people, really strong people, people that you and I know but really strong, tough people, they can't shake the habit.
The way to shake the habit is not to start. My brother used to say, and he knew he had a problem. He used to say to me, "No drinking, no drugs, and no alcohol." Actually, he would leave the drugs out.
[21:45:04] What I do is I say to my kids, I've always said from the time, "No alcohol, no cigarettes, no drugs."
With my brother it was a long time ago, the drugs weren't like the big thing. I don't think. I mean, the drugs weren't a big factor. But he always used to say, "No alcohol, no cigarettes." Now, he said, the cigarettes because, look, it's better if you don't smoke.
I have friends that can't quit smoking. I would never want a cigarette. But once you start, I probably want a cigarette.
I probably wouldn't be here talking to you today if I we didn't -- if I didn't have my brother Fred, because he kept me off alcohol.
And maybe with my kind of personality, I'd be a serious alcoholic. I just don't know. But I never had a glass of alcohol in my life only because my brother said, "Don't you dare." He was as tough guy in his own way. "Don't you dare ever drink.'' Because he knew he had a problem. And he passed on to me unbelievable information.
COOPER: Finally, we've seen your wife out in the campaign trail. You talk about strong people. She's a strong woman. When was the moment you knew she was the one for you?
TRUMP: Well, you know, almost when I saw her, she was really amazing. She was a very, very successful model and she is a very smart woman as you know. And she also loves your show, but these are minor details. But, yes, she loves your show. She likes it. But a very smart, strong person.
And I was at a party and I was a single person at a party, and she was standing and there were three or four supermodels. And they said, "Oh, look who's here, its supermodel, supermodel.'' And I say, forget about that, I like that one, who is that? And it was sort of weird deal but I tried to get her number. She wouldn't give it to me, which of course, the smartest thing she ever did. Right. And after that happen I was going sort of well because ...
COOPER: The heart wants ...
TRUMP: ... that's the way life works, I mean, you know, that's called smart. But now she's been amazing. And she's as beautiful inside as she is outside. And if this ever happens, I know one thing, she'll be an unbelievable representative for our country and a great first lady.
COOPER: Mr. Trump, Thank you very much.
TRUMP: Thank you very much.
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COOPER: Secretary Clinton and the former president in New Hampshire, a bond that goes back a quarter for century and that's being tested yet again with the state's primary just days away.
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[21:50:59] COOPER: With just four days until the New Hampshire primary Hillary Clinton is stepping up her attacks against Bernie Sanders. She's far behind in the polls. She was still fighting for a victory after all both she and her husband have had success he polls in a grand of state. Jeff Zeleny reports.
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JEFF ZELENY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The Clintons in New Hampshire. HILLARY CLINTON (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Being back in New Hampshire is an absolute joy.
BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I survive in New Hampshire primary when I run for president first time on Dunkin Donuts.
ZELENY: A bond strengthened over a quarter century and will be tested more than ever in next week's New Hampshire primary. It's the state that famously made a little known Arkansas governor the comeback kid, a second place finish that revived his bid for the White House.
B. CLINTON: New Hampshire tonight has made Bill Clinton the comeback kid.
ZELENY: 25 years and four campaigns later, Hillary Clinton is turning to the state for a comeback of her own. She is running far behind Bernie Sanders, a senator from neighboring Vermont. On a campaign trail today, she made plea for help.
H. CLINTON: This state has been so good to my husband and me and my family.
ZELENY: Hillary Clinton is been campaigning along, beside her husband since the beginning. Terry Shumaker is a New Hampshire tour guide for out of town Democrats with White House ambitions. He helped introduce both Clintons to the state.
TERRY SHUMAKER, NEW HAMPSHIRE CLINTON ADVISER: They know it was somebody but they had no idea who it was, what was the beginning of what has become a mutual admiration society between the Clintons and New Hampshire.
ZELENY: As she does now, Hillary kept her own schedule back then.
SHUMAKER: Oh, absolutely. She was here a lot in 199, in 1992. The people came up and said, why isn't she running for president?
ZELENY: Really?
SHUMAKER: Yeah.
ZELENY: All the way back then?
SHUMAKER: All the way back in 1991.
ZELENY: So, did you ever think at that point that she would?
SHUMAKER: You know, frankly, I always though she could but I didn't think she would after being first lady.
ZELENY: But her own presidential campaign needed a lifeline after losing in Iowa eight years ago, New Hampshire delivered.
H. CLINTON: I just don't want to see us fall backwards.
ZELENY: Marianne Pernold, still can't believe it created such a steer.
Why did you ask her that of all things to ask her?
MARIANNE PERNOLD, NEW HAMPSHIRE VOTER: Because I identify with her as a working woman and I just wanted to know how much she ticked. And I didn't care about the rhetoric national issues and all that stuff.
ZELENY: A day later Clinton won New Hampshire.
H. CLINTON: I listened to you and in the process, I found my own voice.
ZELENY: Now, she's hoping to reprise that feeling. A loss here means an even longer campaign ahead. It's a moment that once again calls for two Clintons.
B. CLINTON: This state has been so good to me and to Hillary.
H. CLINTON: New Hampshire, come with me this week. Make this journey with me. Stand up for me. Fight for me.
ZELENY: Jeff Zeleny, CNN Manchester, New Hampshire.
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COOPER: Making that seal speech on the campaign trail can be tough as long hour little sleep, a lot of strategy of playing for some campaign worker. It means weeks or even months away from home. The same applies to our team producers who are following the candidates every step away. I recently spoke with some of them. Here's our conversation.
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COOPER: So what's it like out there? What do you -- how was it?
NOAH GRAY, DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGN EMBED: It's crazy.
COOPER: Well, how -- what's crazy.
GRAY: It's the best and the worst job in the world. When I was going to do this, someone who did it, last election said, it's the greatest experience you never want to have again. And I don't know about them but I described it like that.
COOPER: How is -- why?
GRAY: I mean, we're on the road all the time, we're chasing these candidates, we're, you know, it's such a fast paced environment.
COOPER: You're also hearing these candidates said the same things over. And I mean, you're at every stump speech Cassie, aren't you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah, and you're with this person so often that you sort of know the context of everything they're saying. CASSIE SPODAK, KASICH AND CHRISTIE CAMPAIGN EMBED Understanding different candidates' sense of humor and understanding, you know, where they're trying to go with something. And I think you're like someone could watch something and know nothing about the candidate and be like, wow, what was that? But we've seem them same joke, you know, a bunch of times. So we knew what they're trying to do.
[21:55:04] BETSY KLENN, SENATOR TED CRUZ CAMPAIGN EMBED: It's also new to the voters every single time. And so, even though I've heard Ted Cruz tells the joke about regulators and locusts probably six to seven times in the month of January, it's new for the first time and most of the people that are there.
COOPER: Do you feel like you know the candidate you're following well?
LAUREN SELSKY, SEN. MARCO RUBIO CAMPAIGN EMBED: I feel like I know Senator Rubio in the sense that I read his books, I hear his speech and his life story.
He's a little different than the other candidates. He doesn't really interacts with us, with the embeds as much as say, Jeb Bush or Chris Christie, even Ted Cruz.
Rubio is a little bit more guarded. So, it's hard to get to know him.
COOPER: How about Hillary Clinton, Dan?
DAN MERICA, HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN EMBED: You know, I've been covering her for a long time over two years. So, I certainly know her and she knows who I am, and we've had interaction before.
I've read her books and all of that. I don't know you can't really say that you know someone by covering them. Because she has such a layered personality has been around for, you know, such a considerable amount of time.
So, you know her friends, you talk to her friends, they tell what she's like personally in personal situations and then the moments that I mentioned, the moments where you see the personal side of her at events are really striking because those aren't always out in the forefront.
And her aides will tell you that. Her aides will say those moments are, you know, fleeting and few and far in between, because they're not always there. And so, they resonate. They make news.
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COOPER: It is a tough, exhausting job they have. We'll be right back.
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[22:00:13] COOPER: Well does it for us. Thanks for watching.
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