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Anti-Trump Protesters Gathered Outside California Republican Convention; Trump's New Target: Sander's Supporters; Clinton: Trump Wouldn't Win Over Sanders' Supporters; Clinton On Trump's Attacks; Clinton: I've Dealt With Men Who "Get Off The Reservation"; Clinton: "Deal Me In" On The Women's Card; Clinton Walks Fine Line In Trump Strategy; Trump On Bill Clinton's Past Infidelities: "Fair Game"; Osama Bin Laden's Death 5 Years Later; Monday Marks 5-Year Anniv. Of Osama Bin Laden's Death; AC360 Special "We Got Him" On Bin Laden's Death Airs Monday Night; Moments Away: Anderson And His Mom In "Nothing Left Unsaid". Aired 8-9p ET
Aired April 29, 2016 - 20:00 ET
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[20:00:18] JOHN BERMAN, CNN HOST: Good evening. John Berman here in for Anderson.
One hour from now, you will get to know Anderson in a way you have not before. He and his mother, Gloria Vanderbilt, they are featured in a fascinating new documentary, conversation between mother and son about their lives and their losses, called "Nothing Left Unsaid." It airs tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on CNN. We will have a preview later in this program.
But we begin in California where there was another clear sign today of the passion that Donald Trump's political rise has inspired. Today hundreds of protesters kept Trump from walking in the front door of the hotel where he spoke to the floor of the California Republican convention. Some of the protesters carried Mexican flags. You remember, when Trump launched his campaign, he called Mexicans immigrants rapists and criminals. That protesters blocked the road, Trump motorcade was forced to pull over and his entourage walked in through a back entrance. But the Trump show must go on and go on it did. Trump even made what sounded like a joke about immigration, one of the very issues that has caused so much anger.
Sunlen Serfaty reports.
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SUNLEN SERFATY, NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Tonight, tensions are rising in California. A large group of demonstrators flooding the streets outside the California Republican convention, protesting Donald Trump's appearance.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That was not the easiest entrance I've ever made.
SERFATY: The GOP frontrunner's motorcade dodging the crowds, Trump forced to enter AND exit on foot to avoid the protesters.
TRUMP: We went under a fence, through a fence. Oh boy. Felt like I was crossing the border.
SERFATY: With the protests occurring a day after hundreds of demonstrators clashed with Trump supporters outside his rally in Costa Mesa.
All of this as Trump sells his candidacy to GOP insiders in California, one of the last primary states on June 7th that could play a decisive role in delivering Trump the 1237 delegates he needs to secure the nomination.
TRUMP: We have far more votes than anybody else, as far more delegates than anybody else, and we're going to hit that number I think quite easily.
SERFATY: As Trump focuses on closing out the race in California, Ted Cruz is slogging it out in the trenches in Indiana. His campaign sees Tuesday's primary as crucial to blocking Trump's path to the nomination, and pushing the race toward a contested convention. And the senator is pulling out all the stops.
SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think governor Mike Pence is an optimistic, positive, unifying force.
SERFATY: Cruz picking up the support today of Indiana governor Mike Pence.
GOV. MIKE PENCE, INDIANA: I'm not against anybody, but I will be voting for Ted Cruz.
SERFATY: But Pence's endorsement, lukewarm.
PENCE: Whoever wins the Republican nomination for president of the United States, I am going to work my heart out to get elected this fall.
SERFATY: Also offering plenty of praise for Trump.
PENCE: I particularly want to commend Donald Trump who I think has given voice to the frustration of millions of working Americans with a lack of progress in Washington D.C.
SERFATY: Trump who also courted and hoped for endorsement of Pence.
TRUMP: I met with him. He may not endorse. I don't think he'll endorse anybody actually. And he may endorse us.
SERFATY: Not quite enough on Cruz.
TRUMP: Have we branded this guy or what, I mean, probably - he probably, I see him walking into the beautiful gardens in Washington, said hey, lying Ted, how you doing?
SERFATY: But he is saving the fiercest fire bow for Hillary Clinton, intensifying attacks on his potential general election rival.
TRUMP: No, crooked Hillary, she said very strongly, I don't like the tone of Donald Trump, the tone. Now, she is shouting all night long, reading off teleprompters.
SERFATY: And taunting Clinton over twitter, calling her the most dishonest person to have ever run for the presidency and one of the all-time great enablers, as Trump adopts a softer tone against Bernie Sanders.
TRUMP: I really want to beat her more than Sanders.
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BERMAN: That was Sunlen Serfaty reporting.
As she said there were tense moments outside the hotel where Donald Trump spoke to the California convention today as protesters descended on the scene, one teacher said protesters are upset of what they called the division that Trump is causing.
Jason Carroll joins me now from Burlingame in California with more.
Jason, what can you tell us about the protests outside today?
JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I can tell you it was tense. That is really the way to describe it, John. As we were standing out here in the lobby here at the Hyatt. Imagine what it is like as you are standing here and you have got officers, sheriff's department deputies in riot gear as some of these protesters made their way in front of the Hyatt.
Hundreds of them throwing eggs at one point, blocking the street at another point. We witnessed two people being arrested, one man thrown on his stomach, screaming you're breaking my arm, you're breaking my arm. When you come to a state convention like this, you expect to hear more about policy. This is what you do not expect to see and hear, but this is what we heard out here today, heard it again yesterday, saw it again yesterday in Costa Mesa where we saw hundreds of protesters there as well.
A number of people who we spoke to said, look, these people have the right to come out and voice their opinion, but not in this way. Donald Trump speaking to those who came to the state convention, said at one point, as you heard him there, joking about it, saying he had to crawl through a fence with secret service in order to get in to a side entrance, at one point telling those that came out here, John, look, they advised me not to come. I said I am going to come. I'm going to come and speak. He didn't want to let those who came out here to hear him. He didn't want to let them down, John.
[20:06:07] BERMAN: And Jason, you had a chance to be inside the hall as well, inside the hotel. How did all this play, what was going on outside and what was going on inside with Donald Trump, what was the reaction?
CARROLL: Yes. I mean, you expected to hear something. I mean, five people arrested in all outside in front of the hotel, in front of the Hyatt. And you know, Trump as you saw, he addressed it with the crowd, making light of it, making a joke about it, you know. It went over two ways. I mean, look, he didn't win over some of those
who were here who thought maybe he could have done more to talk about unity. But I have to tell you really embolden and strengthen those who support Trump. They feel as though he handled it the right way in terms of making light about it, making a joke about it. So in terms of coming to the state convention, did he win over some of those who came out here? Probably not likely, but look, those that support him support him stronger now than before.
BERMAN: All right. Jason Carroll for us in Burlingame. Thanks so much.
A lot to talk about with the panel tonight. Joining me is former New York congressman Rick Lazio. He ran against Hillary Clinton for Senate in 2000. Also our CNN political commentators Tara Setmayer, Kayleigh McEnany who supports Donald Trump and Errol Louis.
Errol, these protests at Trump events, this is still during a Republican primary. I mean, the left hasn't even really gotten started yet. Is this a sign of what may come in much greater fashion during a general election?
ERROL LOUIS, POLITICS ANCHOR, NY1: I would expect so. I imagine that they, like Hillary Clinton, want to pivot in getting to the general election. And this is what you will find.
Also, we should keep in mind, there are some people who are deeply wounded and offended. When you see those Mexican flags flying, and you listen to what some of the protesters have to say, they have been waiting for a chance to confront Donald Trump sort of face to face or as closest to as they can manage and today was their opportunity.
So in addition to just sort of pure movement energy, there are some people who I think are going to follow him from place to place for the rest of the campaign.
BERMAN: And these are protesters protesting against Donald Trump but their confrontation with law enforcement who were there to keep them out of the hotel, this wasn't like what we saw in Chicago where Trump we saw supporters clashed with Trump protesters there.
Kayleigh, still, Donald Trump he made a joke about it. He said when he got to the hotel, when he had to crawl over the media, and then go on the back door. It felt like crossing the border. Smart joke to make given the circumstances?
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I thought it was pretty funny. I think people like to take offense to anything. And instead of putting the onus on Donald Trump here, I don't understand why we are instead asking for Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders to come out and condemn it. Because these are left-wing protesters. We have seen this in Baltimore. We have seen this in Ferguson. Incidents of that did not include Donald Trump. We see them smashing in windows, beating up Trump supporters and blood all over his face. Where are the calls for Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders to condemn these people? Instead, we are talking about a joke that Donald Trump made rather than putting culpability where it belongs which is with the left.
BERMAN: Quickly, you have no problem with nonviolent protesters? That people are sort of protesting policy during event?
MCENANY: Sure, absolutely. That's what America is about. Of course. Bring the nonviolence protesters. That's OK.
BERMAN: All right, Tara, I want to ask about another big development today. He heard in Sunlen's piece. Mike Pence, I guess you can call it endorsing Ted Cruz. Mike Pence says he would vote for Ted Cruz. He also said I really, really like Donald Trump and by the way, you should all vote for whoever you want to vote for. How does this rank as far as endorsements go?
TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I think it was important for the Cruz campaign to get the endorsement from Mike Pence. He is in re-election himself, so he had to be very careful that he didn't offend Trump supporters because he needs them to vote for him. So I'm sure the Cruz campaign would have liked a stronger, more definitive Ted Cruz is the best person to be president of the United States, and I wholeheartedly endorse him, he would be best for Indiana Hoosiers and our state. But I think that the Cruz campaign will take that.
You know, Trump didn't get the endorsement. You know, Cruz did. So you know, anyone that knows Mike Pence knows that he is a very modest guy. That's very Mike Pence of him to do. He is not, you know, he is not very overly excitable about anything. So I think the Cruz campaign to decide really without (INAUDIBLE).
[20:10:13] BERMAN: They did (INAUDIBLE).
But congressman, as far as endorsements go, you know, you've run for office, how much do they matter here. Look. You know, Marco Rubio got Nikki Haley's endorsement in South Carolina, didn't win South Carolina. He got a lot of endorsement elsewhere. He didn't win either. Although, Scott Walker in Wisconsin did seem to help Ted Cruz. So where does the Mike Pence endorsement help?
RICK LAZIO, FORMER NEW YORK CONGRESSMAN: Depends on two things. One, the personality and popularity of the person doing the endorsement. In the case of Wisconsin, the governor Scott Walker did endorse relatively early, which made a difference. And for weeks beforehand, talk radio was pounding away on behalf of Cruz and against Trump which is also many people. So the environment was much different than the case right now in Indiana where it is more politically benign, you know, between these two figures environment, not really favoring as far as I can tell so much even Trump or Cruz.
BERMAN: (INAUDIBLE). Stand by. A lot more to talk about.
Protesters aren't the only ones trying to stop Donald Trump. The anti-Trump PACs, never-Trump folks are on the air waves in Indiana, but is this now too little too late?
Also I will say, Hillary Clinton responds to Donald Trump's attack, including his claim that there's some kind of woman card that she is playing. She says she has experience with men who say things like that.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm not going to deal with their temper tantrums or their bullying or their efforts to try to provoke me. He can say whatever he wants to say about me. I could really care less.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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[20:15:24] BERMAN: Voters in Indiana head to the polls in just four days. Some of the polls shows Trump in the lead. But Ted Cruz not giving up in either of the larger anti-Trump movement.
Randi Kaye reports.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you don't want Donald Trump to win, your choice comes down to this, math.
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the Hoosier state, Donald Trump has a target on his back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Polls show Trump could lose heavily Republican states like Mississippi and Utah.
KAYE: Trump is the focus of at least three anti-Trump PACs, all trying to deny him a win in Indiana.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Trump scammed students, he'll scam America, too.
KAYE: PACs are hitting voters with digital blasts, direct mailers, television attack ads. This one aimed at women voters.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bimbo.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dog.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fat pig.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Real quotes from Donald Trump about women.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A person that is very flat chested is hard to be a ten.
KAYE: It is an expensive gamble. Our principles fact says they're spending up towards seven figures on its ad campaigns. Another PAC, Club for Growth action, is shelling out about 1.5 million for ads.
The strategy here in Indiana is similar to that used by anti-Trump groups in the Wisconsin primary, and they say it worked there. Trump lost that state to Cruz. But with Indiana being a winner takes most contest, these PACs are trying to slow Trump's delegate count enough to force convention.
Money well spent or too little too late? As it stands now, Trump needs 47 percent of the remaining delegates to clinch the nomination, compared to Cruz who needs 132 percent. Statistically impossible. And Kasich, he needs 215 percent of the delegates remaining. Even so, the never Trump PAC still believes Trump can be stopped, despite the fact he has been winning delegates recently at a rate of 49 percent.
RORY COOPER, SENIOR ADVISOR, NEVER TRUMP PAC: We don't stop trying to make sure that the candidate that's at the top of the Republican ticket is somebody who will not only reflect the party but also support candidates in the fall.
KAYE: At Shapiro's Deli in Indianapolis, a frequent stop for presidential candidates, we showed voters the ads.
Do you think an ad like that that has impact on voters making their decision?
FREDRICK BOYD, INDEPENDENT VOTER: I doubt it. I think the voters already made up their mind based on what they've seen or heard, who they're going to vote for.
KAYE: So, too little too late, you think?
BOYD: You know, if you are asking me do I think Ted Cruz can overtake Trump, no. I don't think he can.
KAYE: We showed this voter the ad aimed at women.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have to treat them like (Bleep).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is how Donald Trump talks about our mothers, our sisters, our daughters.
KAYE: Would it make you not want to vote for Donald Trump?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Of course. I don't want a president leading our country, you know the meaning (INAUDIBLE). And for him to say the things that just did as far as women is just is very disappointing.
KAYE: Meanwhile, Trump seems poised to take the heat.
Randi Kaye, CNN, Indianapolis.
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BERMAN: Our thanks to Randi.
According to latest delegate estimates, Donald Trump reached a milestone on his quest to reach the magic number of 1237 delegates. Delegates continue to be awarded, the number do change slightly. He now has more than 1002 to be exact, according today's CNN estimates. Back with the panel now.
So Congressman, a thousand delegates, it is getting closer and closer by the day. The never Trump movement, they have had a tough couple weeks. New York and on the five mid-Atlantic and northeast states, all went to Trump in big numbers. Will Indiana be different?
LAZIO: Indiana will be a fire wall. We will see. They will be spending millions of dollars in Indiana trying to convince voters, Republican voters, of Indiana that Donald Trump doesn't have Republican values, number one. And number two, will lead to electoral disaster for the party, not just the top of the ticket, but down so it can losing the Senate and maybe the house. That is going to be the message that you see laid out here.
They will be talking about alienated Hispanic voters. We saw in all your segment. The controversy, but right now Donald Trump in the polls is around 12 percent favorable among Hispanics. Among women, you know, 70 percent unfavorable. These are pretty powerful numbers. They are now going to try to make the case and then try to go to California and build some momentum and then slow things up enough so that they have kind of contested convention.
BERMAN: Tara, Ted Cruz has literally gone to unprecedented ends to win Indiana. You know, he named a running mate months before the convention when he is not actually winning the election. He formed an alliance so he is not calling it alliance with John Kasich, you know, digging up states now. You know, he did get the endorsement of Mike Pence. He has done everything he can. If Ted Cruz loses Indiana, you know, is he done Wednesday?
[20:20:05] SETMAYER: I think it will be a challenge. I don't know that he necessarily give up. I think he will stay as long as he has money, he will stay in through California, because even though the path will be very, very narrow. I don't think he will necessarily drop out right then.
But it is crucial. Indiana is very, very important for Ted Cruz on Tuesday, you know. But, everyone, again, after Indiana, you know Donald Trump doesn't really have as much momentum going into California, so May is a little less friendly territory for Donald Trump. You're a Boston Red Sox fan, and I use this analogy. You know, I am a Yankee fan, in 2004, the Yankees were up 3-0 in the ALCS, and who came back, Boston Red Sox 4-0, which have never been done before. So it isn't over until it is over. Hate to use the analogy but it is accurate.
BERMAN: Some establishment folks, they didn't have establishments. Some insiders are starting to fall in line behind Donald Trump, picking up endorsement of two committee chairman. Donald Trump at the convention today in California talking about the need for unity, although, maybe not full throated. Let's listen to what he said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: It's coming to an end. I think it's going to come to an end very soon. And really, and I speak to the people in this room, because there has to be unity in our party. It has to be unity in our party. Now, with that being said, would I win, can I win without it? I think so to be honest, I think so.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BERMAN: So Kayleigh, there has to be, but I don't need it if there's not. Is that the best way to get unity you want there?
MCENANY: Well, I think it is always been a fiction that there won't be unity. There's not unity among a small (INAUDIBLE) of a lead on the punditry and then the Never Trump movement amongst some politician. It is small cadre at the top that has led this movement, it is by no means, the of grassroots movement which is why you see even in a state that Ted Cruz won like Wisconsin some politicians, it is a small cadre, that's why in a state Ted Cruz won like Wisconsin, majority said whoever gets most of the popular vote deserves to be the nominee, aka Donald Trump. Because Ted Cruz won't surpass him.
It is a small group at the top who define himself by being negative rather than positively advocating for a candidate, they negatively are there to take down a candidate. There will be unity, maybe not amongst someone in the punditry or a very small group of politicians but there's unity in the party. I is always been on that.
BERMAN: Errol, again, this committee chairman, it was interesting to see them coming on board, literally endorsing Donald Trump. You have people like Marco Rubio softening their language, saying that his performance has improved significantly. Is this coalescing?
I don't know that I use the word coalescing. There are people who have a political future, want to be sure they have a political future that may have to include Donald Trump. There's no percentage in going against a popular nominee if he becomes a popular nominee. There's certainly no percentage going against a sitting president of the United States of your own party if that presidency is at all successful.
So, they have to hedge their bets a little bit, you know. And it really depends on who you are talking to. You talk to some of the senators who are running, who are sort of in trouble, Pat Toomeys of the world. They are not going to have such nice things to say. So there are people who are going to make their own deals, make their own peace with a changing fluid situation. And once that -- when we get to the convention, that's when you are going to see people put their cards on the table.
BERMAN: But Pat Toomey said he voted Ted Cruz. But he really didn't say much more than that. John Greg (ph), you know, Former senator from New Hampshire who has supported Jeb Bush, was supporting John Kasich, you know what, I am not going to the convention at all right now. I'm sick of the whole thing. I would vote for Donald Trump in general election but I won't vote Ted Cruz under in any circumstances.
Are you beginning to see, congressman, a beginning of a never Cruz movement? Remember, we had those comments from John Boehner yesterday who called Ted Cruz Lucifer.
LAZIO: No. I mean, you got two barely unpopular leading candidates for Republican nomination right now. That's the reality. And if you look at more generally Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will be two of the most unpopular nominees of major parties in American history.
MCENANY: But you know, it is time for the establishment to get over it because if the voters have bowed to their choice for two elections, to John McCain and to Mitt Romney. How did that turned out a miserable failure. It is time for the establishment, John Boehner, Mitt Romney, all of them to stop with the never movement and realize that, you know, --.
LAZIO: I have to agree that there's been a complete collapse of trust in institutions and to some extent the establishment. And so, they have a lot less influence than they did in past times. But there is an argument to be made looking at independent polls, and almost all of them Donald Trump losing, in many cases, by double digits consistently against Hillary Clinton. And if you're somebody who believes in the cause, you say what does it look like to have --?
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BERMAN: Let Tara get the last word.
SETMAYER: Yes. And also down ballot matters. Believe me, I talked to plenty of people in D.C. who are looking at Senate races and congressional races going oh, my God, we are going to focus on this. Because if Hillary Clinton wins and we lose the house and Senate, God help us. So that's something that's very important and very real. We are not just get over anything. There's actually consequences when people -- elections have consequences, and you have to look beyond just what seems to be en vogue right now and popular right now.
[20:25:06] BERMAN: Down by a mile (ph). But Mike Pence, by the way, is a flip side of that. I mean, you know, if he wasn't concerned about his own election, might have been a more full throated endorsement to Ted Cruz.
Guys, thanks so much. Appreciate it.
Just ahead. Donald Trump signaling that he is getting ready to court Bernie Sanders supporters. Is that for real? Just more bluster? Does he have a shot at winning them over?
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[20:29:22] BERMAN: Fair to say this has been a pivotal week in the primary race. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump supersized their leads on Tuesday after cleaning up in the northeast. Bernie Sanders signals that his focus is now on influencing his party's platform at the convention.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump appears to be angling winning over senator Sanders' supporters. Here's what he told MSNBC days after winning all five primaries in the northeast. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: Bernie Sanders has a message that's interesting, I'm going to be taking a lot of things Bernie said and using them. I can reread some of his speeches. I can get some very good material.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BERMAN: Trump's campaign manager told CNN that Trump and Sanders share the same appeal
[20:30:02] for voters who feel disenfranchised and disappointed with the way Washington works, as far as policy goes, though Trump and Sanders have a lot of overlap, and the voters were feeling the Bern or not cheering for a wall along the border. Here's what Hillary Clinton told CNN's Jake Tapper today.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You don't believe in climate change, it's pretty hard to go after people who passionately believe in it. If you don't believe in raising the minimum wage, in fact you think the wages are too high in America, I don't think you have much of an argument. If you are demeaning women, you don't believe equal pay is an issue, you are really insulting to women, I don't see how that adds up either.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BERMAN: So Secretary Clinton doesn't exactly sound worried, but is there a chance that Trump's plan could work? Errol Louis is back, also joining us Charles Blow, op-ed columnist New York Times and Nomi Konst, Bernie Sanders supporter.
Errol, the no show when you first here, when you hear a guy running in the Republican primary, Donald Trump initially say, I'll going after Bernie Sanders voters, you shake your head, but might it work?
ERROL LOUIS, POLITICAL ANCHOR NY1: Well there's something to it. I mean there are some polls that suggested something like 7 percent of Sanders supporters might vote for Trump. That's what they've told the pollsters and at least one poll.
In one certain issues around free trade, there's a certain kind of rhyming to them, you know, the one has an echo or the other. And so there's a logical basis for that, but it's almost overwhelmed by all of these other kinds of issues with women. I mean Hillary Clinton started to make the case just in the clip that you showed. But this points so a strategic issue that Trump is going to have, which that if becomes the nominee, he starts out with the same tricky map that John McCain had, that Mitt Romney had. He's got to pull some independents, he's got to pull some states that have tended to trend Democratic. How is he going to do it?
This is one possible answer of what he might try. I don't think it's very promising. He has to come up with something else looks like. BERMAN: No, you are a Bernie Sanders supporter, looks like I've been to Bernie Sanders events, I mean ...
NOMIKI KONST, BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTER: Yes.
BERMAN: ... the people the vampire weekend concerts were cheering Bernie Sanders talking about legalizing marijuana. They don't ...
KONST: Not the only issue.
BERMAN: I'm not saying it is, but that gives a big cheer. They don't impress me as potential Trump voters.
KONST: Definitely not. We're talking about 80 percent of those under the age of 50 OK. We have millennials, who were the most educated and diverse generation in history, they are not going to be supporting Donald Trump any time soon, and very well likely a lot of the them won't be supporting Hillary Clinton either. And that's her issue. And that it's not just about wooing women and blue collar working class voters, but it's about wooing the independents. And then newly registered voters who have been disaffected.
But I think, you know, it will happen it's this working class vote that has been, has left the Democratic Party, the Reagan Democrats who are against free trade, who want campaign finance reform and stay one on more transparent Democratic Party, and they're being wood by Donald Trump, and that's a concern for Hillary because that might be the determining back for the election just from my perspective.
BERMAN: You know, Charles, we talked about how the selection about the anger at Washington.
CHARLES BLOW, OP-ED COLUMNIST NEW YORK TIMES: Right.
BERMAN: An insiders versus outsiders. Run away Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are both outsiders.
BLOW: Right.
BERMAN: You know, is there a way for Sanders to tap into this -- Trump to tap into this, for at a minimum, you know, get these people to stay home and not go out for Hillary?
BLOW: I don't think he will be able to do that -- that the people will make their own decision about whether or not they stay home, whether not they decide to support Clinton or not. I think it's a big lead to go from -- if there was a far left, Bernie Sanders' supporters are that far left in the Democratic Party.
And if its -- it would be a big leap for then swallow the sexism, the xenophobia, the kind of, you know, every phobia he can pretty about to the. It was a demagogue, and so how ...
BERMAN: But that's not everything that Trump's about.
BLOW: But then -- well, but you have -- you take the whole of a person, particularly if you are person who can be wooed. So they've always in any election, there are staunch supporters of any candidate any platform. They are kind of issue voters. They've already decided who they're going to vote for, you know, six months out.
These are we're talking about the people on the edges, the people who are undecided, who can be wooed the last minute, those people are not being wooed by the issues. The issues voters are already decided. These people are being wooed by kind of character, personality issues. They are would be adamantly opposed to a character like this one if you already on the far left, because of lot -- some of the things that Secretary Clinton was talking about, you know.
If you are opposed, you don't believe in climate change, that's a problem. If you have demeaned women to that degree and you're looking at the left, leftwing of the Democratic Party, that's mostly women. That's a problem. You can't do that, so and, you know, the last "The Washington Post" poll that I saw and had about 13 percent favorability rating for Trump among Sanders voters. No and how people say they will vote but then saying, I don't detest you.
BERMAN: Guys, standby, we're going to talk a lot more about this race, particularly about the women's issue. Coming up, Hillary Clinton is been talking about Donald Trump's attacks on her, play what she had to say about the name calling and what she calls and they both call the woman card now, when "360" continues.
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[20:39:01] BERMAN: More now with Jake Tapper's one-on-one interview with Hillary Clinton. The Democratic frontrunner fired back when asked about Donald Trump's tactics, specifically accusations about the woman's card and his name calling.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CLINTON: I have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak. I'm not going to deal with their temper tantrums or their bullying or their efforts to try to provoke me. He can say whatever he wants to say about me. I could really care less.
You know, I don't respond to his attacks on me. I think its kind of silly, I was elected to Senate twice from New York, I was some you got more than 18 million votes the first time I ran. I now have 2 million more votes than Donald Trump has, more than 12 million votes to his 10, so it doesn't really square with reality.
As I said Tuesday night, if playing the woman's card means standing up for the concerns that women have and that they express to me, then deal me in, because that's exactly what I have always done for decades, what I will do in this campaign.
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[20:40:06] BERMAN: Again, Jake Tapper with Hillary Clinton there. Back now with our panel. Charles, you know, it is interesting, the "New York Times" that had a story today saying that the Clinton team has been strategizing about how to deal with Donald Trump, and the strategy the Time says, to you she could have pair Donald Trump but with restraint and carefully she's not going to, you know, go to 11 on every attack. Is that what we saw here?
BLOW: It was calibrated of course, but I mean, I think she -- you know, being a woman in politics, I can only imagine how difficult that it is. And I (inaudible). But, you know, she's having to walk a very real tight rope here, like if she comes across this too aggressive, fighting back, then it is a negative for her. If she doesn't fight back enough, it's a negative for her.
Women are held to a different standard than men are. If a man was attacking another man with this sort of kind of language or if a woman was attacking a man with this sort of language as Palin did with Obama, you can fight back. Fighting back in this way when you're being attacked by a man I think it becomes tricky for her. And I think that they are having to calibrate quite a bit to make sure they get the tone right.
BERMAN: Nomi, your assuming that they're fund raising off a bit now ...
KONST: Yes.
BERMAN: ... I mean Hillary Clinton in her speech Tuesday night she talked about the women's card, you know, deal me in.
KONST: Right.
BERMAN: And now the Clinton campaign is actually, you know, selling ...
KONST: Yeah.
BERMAN: ... woman's cards.
KONST: Not only that, I mean I opened up my e-mail box this morning, and I had three different e-mails from the DCCC, to the Democratic Party, all using his attacks as fund raising mechanisms. Now I challenge them to go beyond the fund-raising, and use it as an organizing mechanism, because I think that the message can be distilled even more.
You can talk about economic issues and how economic issues hurt women and women of color, and young women. And I think that's where Hillary Clinton is struggling right now it's not about pandering to the next generation of feminist, its about understanding where they're coming -- coming from, the fact that, you know, young women, the difference between $12 minimum wage and $15 minimum wage is a gas bill. That's what the difference is. So I think that we have to go beyond this like high level, you know, elitist feminist worlds that my generation is accustomed is dealing with and really understand that the economics of this election hurt young women in us. BERMAN: And so Errol, the Trump campaign and Donald Trump's made clear that he's going to go after the Clintons hard, very hard perhaps. He has no problem bringing up Bill Clinton's marital in discretions, he called Hillary Clinton, an enabler in a tweet this week. But, you know, see that we have on file some interviews he did a lot of years ago when Bill Clinton was going through impeachment, Hillary Clinton was going through a lot things, listen to what Donald Trump said back then.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think she's been through more than any woman should have to bear, anything public. I mean women go through this on a private basis and can't take it, she's on the front page of every newspaper every week with what went on in Washington. I think she's a wonderful woman.
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BERMAN: That you said wow. You know, we watching that together, nobody said wow when you hear that. Pretty interesting, when you hear that Donald Trump then versus Donald Trump now?
LOUIS: I'm sure they have DVRS, I'm sure they have that ready to go in an ad and possibly in the general election if it comes to that. And this is something that, you know, Donald Trump when he says things like the woman's card, he's talking to in some ways the group that's right in front of him, and maybe the larger group of his base, and for where he is now in the Republican primary, he's doing what he probably needs to do from his point of view in order to get the delegates that he needs to become the nominee.
The day after that if he is successful, he's going to have to deal with all of that, and you did you're going to have to walk it back, or distract as in different direction or hope that Hillary doesn't try and take advantage of it but we all know that she will.
BERMAN: What you're seeing perhaps is Donald Trump using the general election to try to close out the primary. Errol Louis, Nomi, Charles Blow, thank you so much for being with us, really appreciate it.
All right Monday, it marks the 5 year anniversary of the raid that led to the killing of Osama Bin Laden, that is when this photo, this famous photo was take in the White House Situation Room, as the secret operation unfolded. This week our Peter Bergen talked with the president, and others in this photo, the president's memories and what he says about the war on terror today.
That's next.
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[20:48:01] BERMAN: This Monday will be the five year anniversary of the U.S. raid that lead to the death of Osama Bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader wanted for the 9/11 attacks. Our national security analyst Peter Bergen got unprecedented access to the White House this week and talked with key members of the team including President Obama who were in the Situation Room when the Bin Laden operation unfolded in Pakistan.
The stories will part of a special report airing Monday night here on CNN, and will include never published before photos of the raid. President Obama told Peter Bergen the potential for success in capturing Bin Laden outweighed the risks.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITES STATES: After the discussion with the principles it was clear to me that, this was going to be our best chance to get Bin Laden, that if, in fact, we did not take the action that he might slip away and might be years before he resurface.
I've had confidence that we could get our guys back. We knew that it was going to cause some significant blow back within Pakistan and that if it wasn't Bin Laden, probably costs would outweigh benefits, and, you know, we would lose face internationally because there was probably going to be a lot of difficulty keeping it secret once the operation started.
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BERMAN: I get a chance to speak with Peter Bergen earlier.
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BERMAN: You had unprecedented access in a way to the president, not to mention parts of the White House people don't normally get to see. What did you see and beyond the president, who did you talk to?
PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well of course will be have a seat down interview in the Situation Room, which is has never done before, and most people don't understand that the Situation Room you see in the movies or that people are familiar with, there's also the small the Situation Room where they actually the iconic photograph was taken. So, we also talked in there.
Then he took us down the colony (ph) which is, you know, connects the west wing to the east wing through the Rose Garden, and talked about how you could hear -- you know, they didn't know how it was going to go down they were surprise and I suddenly heard cheers coming the crowd outside.
[20:50:14] So I mean, you know, it's amazing tour of the White House with the president, doesn't happen often.
BERMAN: You know, it wasn't just the president right obvious he made the final decision, but there were so many other people ...
BERGEN: Yeah.
BERMAN: ... in the room at the time. Speaking to over the days and the weeks in advance. BERGEN: Right, well we had the first in depth interview with Admiral McRaven who is the architect of the raid. And everybody had a huge amount of confidence in him. We also sat down with Director Brennan of the CIA, and for time he was the, head of the National Intelligence, Susan Rice, the National Security adviser, Lisa Markov (ph) chief commentary whom advise to Hillary Clinton. So we got a, you know, 360 degree view of not only the Bin Laden raid but also kind of what is happened since.
BERMAN: You know more about that raid than pretty much anyone on planet earth. Were there things you did not know that you learned during these conversations?
BERGER: Yes. The night, the raid, the reaction. You know, so, you know, having a first person account from Admiral McRaven who is the architect of the raid, who was in Afghanistan yeah here from his perspective is really interesting, see out a core, seeing the president it just yeah to her his decision making process, but the end of the day he made a decision.
BERMAN: How about being safer than we were as Americans five years ago?
BERGER: Well I think the asset of that is we are a hell of a lot safer than 9/11, but, you know, eliminating the head of al-Qaeda was a big deal.
BERMAN: You know, the president is often described as even keeled, you know, people call him like Spock ...
BERGER: Yeah.
BERMAN: ... from Star Trek. But what about how he thinks about the order to kill Osama Bin Laden. Does he get all emotional about the thought of the death of Bin Laden?
BERGER: No, that was not something he agonized about.
BERMAN: Did the president get any satisfaction along those lines from this?
BERGER: No, there was no high files in the Situation Room. No, this was a very serious moment. The final thing the president said in the interview was that it gave him satisfaction to think that in his final moments Bin Laden would have realized that an American had come to take revenge or seek justice for the 3,000 Americans who were killed on 9/11.
BERMAN: I never heard that before. Very interesting. Peter Bergen, looking forward to the special. Thanks so much.
BERGER: Thank you.
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BERMAN: Don't miss Peter Bergen's exclusive report, the Anderson Cooper 360 special "We Got Him." President Obama, Bin Laden, and the future of the war on terror, airs Monday night, right here on CNN.
And here's ahead tonight "Nothing Left Unsaid", an extraordinary HBO documentary about Anderson and his mother Gloria Vanderbilt, a journey through her amazing life and losses that they lived through together.
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[20:56:35] BERMAN: Anderson is off tonight, but not entirely. In just a few minutes, Anderson and his mother were share their remarkable life story in the HBO documentary "Nothing Left Unsaid", Gloria Vanderbilt and Anderson Cooper.
This is a window into their past and present, their lives and losses, they also wrote a book together, "The Rainbow Comes and Goes", it is based on e-mail they exchange for a year. A conversation they began when Anderson's mother was 91. Both the book and the documentary are intimate portraits of mother and son and the bond that they share. I had chance to talk to Anderson about this labors of love.
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BERMAN: So your mother lived a full life to say the least, you know, several lives worth of life. In talking to her, was there anything you didn't know? Was there anything that surprised you?
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: You know, I didn't know a lot of the details. My mom didn't speak much about her past, here childhood when I was growing up. So a lot of the details of, I mean men she had been involved with certainly I didn't know about, you know, what else.
BERMAN: Did it come up in conversation?
COOPER: Well I remember watching like I said this but I remember watching Robin Hood with Errol Flynn one time when I was little with my mom and saying like, oh did you ever know Errol Flynn, and she was like, oh, yes start drift it off.
But, you know, she didn't go into details. But it's a, you know, she -- I think her past was so in some ways very painful for her and that, you know, she spent much of her life kind of reworking it, and then re-going through it, and kind of reprocessing it, and a lot of the of things are artwork and I think that really that comes out in the film.
BERMAN: You know, one of my favorite sequences is was right at very in the beginning, were you walk in to do what it knows the kind of interview probably you've done thousands of times in your life ...
COOPER: Right.
BERMAN: ... but it is your mother ...
COOPER: Right.
BERMAN: ... seating there in the chair. And you both sort of look at each other like are we sure we want to be doing this? COOPER: Yeah, it's a strange thing to, you know, to sit down and interview your mom. I mean I do hope the film encourages and also the book that we wrote together, you know, I do hope and encourages people to ask questions, to particularly to an aging parent. I mean so many people have I know, you know, have no idea what their parents' lives has really have been like. And, you know, you see them through a particular lens.
And so the kind of before it is too late sit down, and actually ask some questions, and get to know them, you know, my mom in the film talks about having this fantasy that her father had left her a letter, her father died when she was 15 months old. And she had this fantasy all her life that her father had left her a letter that would show up one day, saying all this things about what he was like, and what he thought about her and hoped for her.
I what so strange for me here and that is, I had the same fantasy about my dad, that he would leave me a letter, and my mom and I never discussed it. And so that was just kind of one of many things that, you know, you start to see this person in a whole new way and learn things about yourself.
BERMAN: So finally she dressed you up in a lot of funny stuff. I think I saw a soldier outfit.
COOPER: I dressed in costumes my entire childhood.
BERMAN: In a jockey outfit?
COOPER: Yeah.
BERMAN: So my question, I guess two questions, you know, A, do you resent her for that or -- and/or B, if you that something that you still enjoy that?
COOPER: If I could still wear costumes every single day, if I would -- I use still yeah, you know, if could become dwarf dresses and bunny rabbit or something I totally what. You know, I was obsessed with military history, and so I used to dress up as is like a soldier from various armies all the time, and I would go outside like as little kid dresses like a knight and yeah.
And totally until I recently I started to looking at the photos when I was a kid, I was like, it seems like I was in a costume kind of every single day. So a little strange.
BERMAN: Well Anderson Cooper, thanks to talking to me on your show.
COOPER: Thanks.
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BERMAN: That does it for us tonight, thanks so much for watching.
[21:00:01] "Nothing Left Unsaid" starts now.
