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State Dept. Admits Editing Iran Briefing Video; Trump's Holds Rally In California Shortly; Clinton: Donald Trump Is A "Fraud"; Zoo Tragedy, New Details; Clinton To Deliver Major Foreign Policy Speech Thursday; Can Gorilla Behavior Be Predicted?; Authorities: Black Box Signals Detected; Undercover In A "Sanctuary City"; Authorities: Two Dead In Murder-Suicide. Aired 9-10p ET
Aired June 01, 2016 - 21:00 ET
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[21:01:57] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: And good evening, thanks for joining us. Breaking news, top of the hour, serious questions from U.S. State Department and the White House that come after admission that someone deliberately edited part of the video tapes State Department briefing addressing secret talks between the U.S. and Iran.
And is contradicts how the state department previously described what happened. Our State Department Correspondent Elise Labott is working our sources. She joins us now. So the deleted video was originally called a glitch. What do we now know?
ELISE LABOTT, CNN FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well Anderson, this originally stems from a briefing in 2012 discussing secret talks about Iran. The spokesman at the time for Hillary Clinton said there were no talks going on. A year later, these talks are revealed. John Kerry Spokesman Jen Saki says about at the briefing she and essentially says sometimes lying to reporters is necessary to protect these secret negotiations.
And about a month ago when a reporter try referred back to the video of that exchange on a website and YouTube, they found that was cut out. So the current spokesman John Kirby thought it's little curious, had the department's legal adviser look into it. When he found the same day of the briefing and question, the office that post this videos on the State Department website got a called from an unidentified staff member in the department's Bureau of Public Affair requesting that it be deleted that several minutes of the briefing. Now the person thought it was weird request checked with her supervisor who approve that saying it came from someone with authority in the state department, don't remember who.
COOPER: So, now no one can supposedly remember who made the request to delete the portion of the video?
LABOTT: Well, I think there's kind of some selective memory going on. The person who took the call can't remember who called her on who is behalf and neither can her supervisor. But they do remember that it definitely wasn't Jen Saki who incidentally said on Twitter today that she had no idea what happened and would never do something like that.
Now the Bureau of Public Affairs is not huge, they're only a few high level people who could have made such request. And to his credit, John Kirby investigated it, found amazingly there was no policy in place about these kinds of deletions, put in a new policy that every video is going to be posted with all edits disclosed.
And it's weird because the full transcript of the briefing has always been available online, the video is since been restored. But, it kind of feeds into this whole idea that the White House was not completely honest about these dealings with Iran. You may remember earlier this month, Ben Rhodes the Deputy National Security Adviser told "The New York Times" that the White House created a narrative that talks didn't take place. So essentially they're admitting they lied.
COOPER: So this person who took the call claims they have no memory of who made the request and they went to the boss, and the boss says ...
LABOTT: Exactly.
COOPER: ... I have no idea who we talked about, who made this for press as well.
LABOTT: Yeah. Kind of curious.
COOPER: And that seems ridiculous. Elise Labott, thanks very much.
We'll see what happens now presidential politics in Donald Trump rally gets under way shortly in Sacramento, California its happening after the second straight day of revelations in the Trump University class action lawsuit which should be in heard else where in the state.
CNN's Sara Murray is that rally joins us now. So Secretary Clinton is using some tough words against Donald Trump today calling him a fraud and saying he is, quote, "trying to scam America the way he scammed people at Trump U." Has there been direct response from the Trump campaign?
[21:05:05] SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Well Anderson, leading up to this the Trump campaign said many students were happy with it at least the course and they felt like they benefit from it. And today Donald Trump is hitting back on Twitter essentially saying I'm not the fraud, Hillary Clinton is the fraud. He tweeted "Crooked Hillary Clinton is a fraud who has put the public and country at risk by her illegal and very stupid use of e-mails, many missing".
Now of course they wasn't know what she's accuse her doing anything illegal or she has not been found doing anything illegal yet. You can have to see the Trump tactic in this essentially saying "I'm not the problem here, Hillary Clinton is the problem."
COOPER: That Trump, he -- I mean, he is already the presumptive nominee. Why is he holding a rally in California tonight?
MURRAY: Well he is trying to walk this fine line where he just began fundraising for a general election, so he needs to raise money. That because he doesn't already have this war chest, he still needs to be getting earned the media, he still needs to be in the news.
And I think that why we're going to continue to see him have this sort of vigorous campaign schedule. He cannot let the media narrative just become a story about Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders battling in out for California.
And so I think you're going to see him trying to balance the schedule, were he's raising money, he's holding finance events and he still having campaign events and that's exactly what we're going to be seeing this week, a number of donors he told me, he's going to hold couple of fund-raisers this week and he's only kind of having public campaign events all across California, even though he is already the presumptive Republican nominee.
COOPER: All right Sarah Murray, Sarah thanks.
Plenty to talk about with the panel is back. Errol Louis, Maggie Haberman, Gloria Borger, Kayleigh McEnany, Tara Setmayer and joining us Hillary Clinton's supporter and former mayor city council speaker Christine Quinn.
Maggie, I know you heard about sort of the catch up of the Trump campaign is now trying to do in sort of some of the organizational stuff that more traditional campaign might have already had in place. Where does that stand?
MAGGIE HABERMAN, NEW YORK TIMES PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN CORRESPONDENT: It's a problem. They're increasingly relying on the RNC just for Bare Bones basics, my colleagues Jonathan Martin, (inaudible) story about a top Hispanic media outreach director left and ...
COOPER: RNC media.
HABERMAN: RNC, excuse me, the reason she is, I believe do have left is because she had told people she had issues with Trump and didn't want to go and defend him. And you will hear a lots of complains especially from younger staffers at the RNC privately that they are concerned about him as their nominee, and so when you start out with that, when he is looking to the party apparatus that is already not completely cohesive behind the nominee, it's a problem.
He just fired his national political director who got caught in the crossfire of a fight between two top aides but who also did gave enough complaints to Trump to legitimately fire him.
Trump it is not clear even saw why he needed this person. He, you know, thinks that he can sort of manage some of this stuff himself. They hired a pollster, they never actually rolled it out with had an announcement. He'd -- their talking about hiring other pollsters, they didn't have a comms director. And they're trying to hire comms for two months.
(OFF-MIC) HABERMAN: Excuse me, thanks you. Forgive my jargon -- but this is, these are just sort of basics and you can rely on the party apparatus to a point. When you are just fund raising now to try that race initially it was supposed to be a billion, now it's -- Trump said the other day that business rate could be -- it's going to be $500 million.
These are real issues. And you have a large number of party donors who've already publicly they are not going to give to him, they're not going to raise for him and so he -- yes, he gets tons of what's called free media. He gets tons of exposure, but that does not makeup for lack of bodies on the ground, it does not make for -- it makeup for voter registration or sort of basic be or nuts and bolts efforts.
And he doesn't have a daily message that he is driving. And that's what we saw at that press conference yesterday. He could have taken that press conference and really used it to hit Hillary Clinton and said like "Yes, I made good on this promise" and, you know, explains sort of what went wrong but instead, he just trained his fire on the media which as Kayleigh says yes, that's an easy target but that might not be a great long term.
COOPER: It does go, get him headlines. It does give him a lot of attention.
GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Sure and it was diversionary.
HABERMAN: Yes.
BORGER: All right because he, you know, he is easier to dump on the media, you know than it was to talk about the issues ...
HABERMAN: OK.
BORGER: ... with the veterans money and, you know, so that was -- that was ...
HABERMAN: Which is was all the none making to be clear by the way, this what the business that the press was talking at.
BORGER: Right but even people who support Trump will tell you that he needs the message that Maggie is talking about, and he needs a kind of conversation changer, you know, I was talking to a Republicans today who said, look, he got all the votes he's going to get from people who love Trump.
What he needs is to bring other people in. And one way to do that might be to you're your cabinet to say, oh this could be my secretary (inaudible).
COOPER: Although, and yet Errol, I mean, you've been covering Trump the long time in New York as a New York reporter, I mean Trump said at the press conference this is what you're going to get.
I mean, let Trump be Trump, that was Cory Lewandowski's interphase that he supposedly wrote on a blackboard, and that seems to be what the campaign is doing.
ERROL LOUIS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Sure a number of his aides including his campaign chair have violently tried to go out and try to convince people, "Oh, he's going to be pivot, he's going to change. You're going to hear more policy speeches, you're going to see him act more presidential. He himself has said that, and none of it really had any credibility.
[21:10:08] You know what I mean, it was interesting to see how long it would last and some cases that was almost 72 hours of, but it's really not going to be that, this is what you see is what you get. And there are really is sort of odd, interesting question, this phenomenon where he is running as if he was still in the middle of a hotly contested very partisan primary.
COOPER: And yet Christine, yesterday Hillary Clinton sort of had a message of the day which didn't really address the press conference that Donald Trump gave. Did that surprise you?
CHRISTINE QUINN, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Well, you know, I think the issue really was yesterday's press conference whatever the message of the day was, it is reminds us that at the end of the day Donald Trump is about Donald Trump. The only -- the numbers and the dates show he gave the money, most of the money to the veterans groups after the "Washington Post" asked. So, whether or not her message is right or wrong I don't think it's the issue. I think the issue really is that he is about himself. He's about making himself more attention, more press, more money, not about person (ph).
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COOPER: Kayleigh, it does raise questions about is Hillary Clinton ready really to run against Donald Trump, a guy who, you know, is able to dominate the new cycle, a guy who is very nimble on his feet in terms of what he's going to talks about whether you like it or not. Hillary Clinton seemed to have like a message, what that message was going to be that day and wasn't able to adjust to comment on Donald Trump's press conference.
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think that's exactly right. And that's why we have seen her try to replicate some of Trump's tactics being -- calling into a show as she did with Jake Tapper yesterday or tweeting as she did today. I think she's trying to do the same thing. I'm not sure that will work.
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COOPER: Let her finish, let her finish.
MCENANY: I also find it odd that you say yesterday proved that everything is about Donald Trump when yesterday was about the fact that he gave $5.6 million rather than gave $1 million of his own to 41 different veteran organizations. I think that falls on deaf ears when you say yesterday was about him when yesterday was about philanthropy and a full of accounting ... QUINN: Philanthropy when forced, philanthropy when the press came looking for the checks. If the press had let it go you can rest assured those checks would not have come. The dates these are "Washington Post" proved that. Just in the very same way when veterans were trying to be vendors as they're allowed to do in New York and make a living on Fifth Avenue, Donald Trump reached out to two mayors to have those veterans kicked off Fifth Avenue because how could we let them be on such a prestigious address because he is about himself. And he will manipulate other people when it is good for himself Trump University shows that and the Washington ...
MCENANY: That's not true.
COOPER: OK, Kayleigh, respond to her.
MCENANY: That's not true, because there were two veterans on this network yesterday who said Donald Trump than giving to them for four decades and several organizations confirm that they got calls back in January that they would be receiving funding. Takes time to disburse money as the Clinton foundation well knows, it's done a horrible job at dispersing money and 10 percent of the Clinton foundation goes to charitable giving, 90 percent goes to the Clinton foundation.
QUINN: And there was anther veteran on the show yesterday a navy veteran who lost his life savings at Trump University. So, yeah there were veterans on the show yesterday showing Trump's true colors.
TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: And if Donald Trump was so charitable, then how come his foundation only gave $57,000 to veteran's organizations between 2009 and 2013. And he didn't give hardly any of his own money to his own foundation. So he becomes charitable and all about philanthropy when there's a camera in front of him, and like Christine said because he was pushed on.
Half of the checks weren't dispersed until after May 24 when the "Washington Post" pushed him on it. So, I mean, unfortunately it should have been about the veterans organizations then it should have been about the fact that millions of dollars ...
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COOPER: Well, in fairness, do we know ...
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COOPER: In fairness, so we don't know exactly what Donald Trump gave his personally, because we haven't seen his tax returns.
SETMAYER: Well, that's true.
COOPER: But I mean, we don't know what he ...
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SETMAYER: That's true. But normally the people normally of his status that are billionaires like that they will give the money through foundations. Other people have more money than him or comparable money that he has that give.
COOPER: I love the fact that he ...
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MCENANY: We are at a very sad place in politics when today we have people scrutinizing the fact that millions of dollars went to veterans. It got there. It was because of Donald Trump. If you want to criticize him for that, I think it's pretty sad and I think it shows that the sad state of the ...
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COOPER: But if a politician is using charitable donations as, you know, I mean, nobody is doubting that is a great thing to give charitable organization, but if they're using that to say something about themselves isn't it fair to ask questions, well, has the money actually been disbursed?
MCENANY: Sure, it is fair to ask those questions and you gave a full accounting of that. But no one knows Donald Trump's motive ...
SETMAYER: Hold now, four months later.
MCENANY: No one knows Donald Trump motive in giving this money to veterans. You can speculate all you want and all ...
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SETMAYER: No, I'm not speculating, Kayleigh. It took four months for him to disburse the money. That is a fact.
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SETMAYER: And also, wait minute. And it's also a fact that he didn't decide to do all this wonderful stuff for veteran until he wanted to throw a temper tantrum and not be part of a Fox Debate because Megyn Kelly was the moderator.
[21:15:01] So was all to sue veterans as political pawn for his own political opportunism at the time.
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MCENANY: He had to vet 41 organizations. And in fact yesterday immediately when he released ...
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COOPER: Let her respond.
MCENANY: People are already coming out criticizing the organization to give to saying thank goodness he vetted them and took the time.
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QUINN: He did set and her federal (inaudible).
MCENANY: That's the first thing you do.
COOPER: We'll going to take a break.
Just ahead, Donald Trump a national security and why one expert in the field, a former top aide to General David Petraeus and a lifelong Republican has now come forward saying he is actually voting for Hillary Clinton, we'll talk to him ahead.
And later what was the gorilla thinking when the little boy fell into his habitat, the zoo keeper is have to shoot him, we'll look deeper into primate behavior, we'll talk to the man who actually trained this gorilla and care for him when he was a baby.
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COOPER: Hillary Clinton tomorrow delivers with her campaign is calling a major foreign policy address covering among other things which she says as the threat that Donald Trump poses to national security.
But a few national security professionals have also raised concerns and some are doing what they haven't done before. Among them, retired army Colonel Peter Mansoor, he served as a senior aide to General David Petraeus in Iraq, he deep his military history to Ohio State University was a life on Republican will not be voting that way this time.
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COOPER: Colonel Mansoor, you're a registered Republican, you said you've always voted for Republican for president. Why are you now planning to vote for Democrat, Hillary Clinton if she gets the nomination?
PETER MANSOOR, FMR SENIOR AIDE, MILITARY HISTORIAN: Well, the problem is the Republican candidate, Donald Trump, is not fit to be president. He would be a dangerous person in that office.
He would alienate many of America's long-standing allies around the world, he can't be trusted on the nuclear trigger, he lacks the character and foundation of knowledge the necessary to be an effective president.
[21:20:03] He opposes free trade along standing conservative principle of economics, and he would diminish America's moral standing the world with his stands on Muslims and Mexicans and women and all of these various ways I cannot support him as president nor I would want him in office. And my conclusion therefore is I've got to vote for the person who I think has the best chance of beating him and I think that's Hillary Rodham Clinton.
COOPER: I mean, Donald Trump says, look, a lot of this concern is just political correctness, you know, that he oath he's going to take the fight to ISIS, he's going to obliterate them, that our troops are fighting with one hand tied behind their backs. What is he not understanding in your opinion?
MANSOOR: Well, as a political correctness to not understand what the nuclear triad is, a question he was asked in the debate and completely flubbed. Is a political correctness to say that NATO is an anachronistic and that we should dissolve our alliances with Japan, and South Korea and allow them to develop their own nuclear weapons, and thereby abrogate principle of counter proliferation that has been a long-standing American policy around the world.
You know, there's a lot of things that he says and throws up a smoke screen saying, well, it's just political correctness. And, in fact, if you look at the policies behind what he is advocating they would be disastrous for the United States as a great power around the world.
COOPER: You know, early on in the campaign when I was interviewing -- he said, you know, his plan for ISIS is just bomb the hell out of them, take Iraq's oil, he talked about -- I think -- I'm not sure if he now says take Iraq's oil or bomb Iraq's oil. But when he was saying take Iraq's oil, he was saying send in U.S. troops to surround Iraqi oil fields, send in U.S. companies to actually extract the oil and get just get the oil. Does that make any sense to you?
MANSOOR: It makes zero sense, 85 percent of Iraq's oil is in the southern part of the country that is not under threat from ISIS. So in fact we would be invading Iraq to take its oil and we would be at war with Iraq not with ISIS.
COOPER: But it seems to me that would inflame parts of Iraq which are not against the U.S. If you steal a sovereign countries oil or take it that just inflames the entire country against you.
MANSOOR: If you like the Iraq war, this would be the Iraq war on steroids if we try to do that.
COOPER: You were very publicly critical of Trump in the last few months of the primary. With your decision actually go public for supporting Secretary Clinton, do you come to that on your own, were you asked to do this by her campaign?
MANSOOR: No, I was not asked by her campaign at all. I've had no contact with her campaign. This is a conclusion I came to on my own. You know, what do I do when now we are faced with the reality of the Republican nominee being Donald Trump. I can't vote for him but I think it would be dangerous for him to be president, so what is the best way to make sure he does not enter that office?
And I think that's to vote for the Democratic nominee. If I were to stay on the sidelines that's exactly what Donald Trump wants. He wants to win in a low turnout election. And so I'm going to do my part to make sure it is not a low turnout election.
COOPER: Colonel Peter Mansoor, it's a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you.
MANSOOR: Thanks, Anderson.
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COOPER: Well, it's clear as Colonel Mansoor is about not voting for Donald Trump, and ever Bernie Sanders supporters are just clear about not going to vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the Democratic nominee. We'll have more on that and whether making Senator Sanders her running mate. Might that -- would that change minds when CNN Dan Simon, he takes a look.
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DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: On scale of one to 10, how much of a Bernie Sanders fan are you?
ANN GLATT, SANDERS SUPPORTER: A hundred and ten. All in, Bernie or Bust.
SIMON: On a scale of one to ten, how much of a Hillary Clinton fan are you?
GLATT: Negative 110. I will never vote for Hillary Clinton.
SIMON: They're some of Bernie's biggest fans or put another way some of Hillary's biggest haters.
On a scale one to 10, how much of a Hillary Clinton fan are you?
STEVE COBB, SANDERS SUPPORTER: One.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm not a Hillary Clinton fan at all, zero.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm a zero.
SIMON: But could that change? So, here's the question, if Hillary Clinton would somehow picked Bernie Sanders?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bernie!
SIMON: As her running mate, how much would you like to see Bernie Sanders be chosen as Hillary Clinton's running mate?
PAMELA PARK, SANDERS SUPPORTER: I would think that would be -- probably the most outstanding decision Bernie would make, because he could bring all the youth and the huge enthusiasm for the Democratic Party to Hillary's side and we have a much better chance to defeat Trump.
SIMON: In deed when push comes to shove.
Would you support that ticket?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Of course.
SIMON: We found plenty who said they eventually come on board.
[21:25:00] ISEGEREDA MULUGETA, SANDERS SUPPORTER: I would support Bernie Sanders in any way, in any position. CLINT JOHNS, SANDERS SUPPORTER: In a 1 percent of 1 percent of 1 percent chance of happening I would vote in that situation for them.
SIMON: But not all Sanders supporters are willing to let go of their dislike for Hillary Clinton.
You say you'll never vote for Hillary Clinton.
GLATT: Correct.
SIMON: If she chooses Bernie Sanders as her running mate, hypothetical question, would you support that ticket?
GLATT: Absolutely not.
SIMON: How come?
GLATT: Because I think Hillary Clinton is corrupt.
SIMON: Would it make you enthusiastic for Hillary Clinton if she chose Bernie Sanders as her running mate?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, not enthusiastic. No, I know too much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Honestly, I'm not sure that I would.
SIMON: This Sanders supporter isn't sure either. But like so many here at this rally, he feels that come November he would have no other choice.
Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, she chooses Bernie Sanders as her running mate. Do you support that ticket?
COBB: Yes.
SIMON: Wholeheartedly?
COBB: Well, I hold my nose and vote for Hillary because she's going to be better than the alternative. There's a big difference in this campaign. I am voting for Bernie Sanders. If I vote for Hillary or if I vote for anyone else it will be because I am voting against the alternative and that's a big deal. This is one of the first elections in my lifetime that I'm actually had someone to vote for instead of someone that I am voting against.
SIMON: Dan Simon, CNN, Palo Alto, California.
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COOPER: Now just ahead in this hour. Did the Cincinnati Zoo do the right thing by killing this gorilla? And what the experts on gorilla behavior thing, we'll take a look at some other incidents and hear from the gorilla's former caretaker, next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [21:30:03] COOPER: The family of the three-year-old boy who was dragged by a gorilla in enclosure of the Cincinnati Zoo says the boy is doing well after a checkup with the doctor. The incident led to a zoo official shooting the gorilla who shaken up pretty much everyone who have seen the video. Animal expert Jack Hanna and others who we spoken to save the zoo and absolutely did the right thing, because the gorilla behavior can be unpredictable, that we know from other incidents in the past. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Cincinnati Zoo, my son fell in with the gorilla. There's a male gorilla standing over him.
COOPER: When the three-year-old child fell into the gorilla enclosure in the Cincinnati Zoo no one knew how the male silverback named Harambe would react. At times he seemed protective, looked at how he held on to the little boys arm but at other times he roughly dragged the child through the water, the official say he also banged him against the wall.
The gorilla was killed, the child rescued before he was seriously injured. This is not the first time a child has encountered a gorilla in captivity and come out alive. In 1996, the Brookfield Zoo in Illinois, a three-year-old boy fell nearly 20 feet into the gorilla enclosure he lay unconscious on the ground. But the female gorilla carrying her own baby approached him. Watch as she cradled the boy before picking him up and carrying him to safety.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She carried him gently to the access door where the keepers and paramedics were able to get the little boy and being him to safety.
COOPER: In 1986, a five-year-old in United Kingdom fell into a gorilla enclosure was also knocked unconscious. A 250 pound male silverback rushed over the boy and instead of attacking him, gently caressed him then seemed to watch over the child protecting him from the other gorillas before the boy was rescued. Despite the massive size and strength of these gorillas, they're usually not a threat to humans. They are one of our closest animal relatives.
They live in two distinct groups.
I came face to face with mountain gorillas in the wild in 2006 in the Democratic Republic of Congo
There's nine gorillas in this group and every gorilla group is headed by an adult male called the silverback and the silverback right over there because the distinct color on his back. Fully grown silverback can weigh about 500 pounds.
At one point the silverback decided to check us out.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's just testing us. He's just testing us. It's OK, he's just trying to pass now. Just let it pass. As long as he doesn't feel like we are doing anything threatening, he just walked right by us as he did.
COOPER: Visiting the mountain gorilla and despite one of the most incredible and intimate experiences you can have with an animal in the wild, when you're this close to the gorilla and then you see their eyes, you see how intelligent they are and how really similar they are to human beings. Each one really has a unique personality, each one is an individual.
Whether in the wild or captivity, gorilla behavior is unpredictable, which is why no one really knows what could have happened in the Cincinnati Zoo with a 450 pounds silverback standing alone with a three-year-old child.
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COOPER: That is an incredible experience to be that close to mountain gorillas like that in Congo, or Rwanda or Uganda. Jerry Stones is the former care taker of Harambe the gorilla. He joins me.
Jerry, you along with other had the zoo played a big role in Harambe's life, you and others were the parents to Harambe for that 24 hours day for about a year, what was he like as the young gorilla?
JERRY STONES, FMR CARETAKER OF HARAMBE THE GORILLA: I told everybody he was born, he was a little on the small side. And his mom gave up after about 21 days. She was really young to be having a baby and so we took him and we bottled raised him. I take him home at night and I had two sons, and I never changed a diaper. And all of sudden I am checking it up at 2:00 in the morning changing this babies diaper and giving him his bottle and it was unique experience.
COOPER: At a certain age obviously there are too big to be handling like that and obviously the silverbacks, the adult male silverbacks incredibly strong animals. Was he aggressive at all or violent at all in your experience with him?
STONES: Oh, no. He would never was violent. He was a very inquisitive, curious character. And he always would be -- he made us laugh, keepers lives miserable.
COOPER: How so? Was he very mischievous?
STONES: Oh yeah, he would do things like throw his water to his water boy throw to have them, he would hold the door to open so they couldn't close it and he just sat there and look at them and then they finally give up, walk off. And then he would close it himself. He never was mean, he was never aggressive. I went in with him until he grew up seven or eight years old. Then he got -- it wasn't me, he was playful, but when you get to be start getting that size, they play rougher than we do. And when they run by, hit you upside the head, your bell rings forever.
COOPER: He was reintegrated with other gorillas. After that, how much contact did he have with humans?
STONES: We have dealt with him everyday. Everyday people would go -- have to go in and feed him, hand feed him, they give him his vitamins, in the morning they have give him his glass of milk. You did it through the bars you didn't go in with him. But he would -- while you were busy giving him his milk, he would stick his finger quietly out and then flip the glass up in the air and then runoff, and see, you know, just as if he did something great.
[21:35:17] COOPER: I understand a fund has been set up in Harambe's name at the zoo. What do you hope to achieve with it?
STONES: Yes, we -- it's the Harambe fund. And what it is, sir, is in the wild there's some programs that the (inaudible) study and we're raising money to send over there, the people who work over there, we need to try to get them to understand that to eat a gorilla today or to poach a gorilla today, it's not there tomorrow. And what we're trying, hoping to do is this tragedy, it's a terrible tragedy and it hurts really bad to take this rotten bushel of apples and take the good parts out and make a pie and see if we can't do some good in Harambe's name, turn this thing around and try to help the world understand and, you know, just feel that -- I'm not a college educated zoologist, but I've got almost 50 years of home schooling in the gorilla business and it's -- and one of the most wonderful things which you can ever be involved in your lifetime.
COOPER: I'm sorry, sir, we're talking under these circumstances. I appreciate you taking the time.
STONES: I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me and let you tell them -- let me tell the world about my boy.
COOPER: Jerry, thank you very much. I'm sorry for your loss. Very sad.
Just ahead, a possible break through in the search for EgyptAir Flight 804 black boxes.
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[21:40:36] COOPER: There's a major development tonight in the search for key pieces of EgyptAir Flight 804. A French naval ship has picked up a signal. Officials believe it came from one of the crucial data recorders that might help solve the mystery of what brought the airliner down. 66 people were on board when the Airbus A320 crashed into the Mediterranean last month. No terror group has claimed responsibility.
Joining us now is CNN's safety analyst and former FAA accident investigator and inspector, David Soucie, also CNN aviation analyst and pilot, Miles O'Brien.
So, Miles, the beacons inside the black boxes, if they've been detected, how close does it mean the searches are to finding the actual wreckage?
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Pretty close, Anderson. It's hard to predict, underwater acoustics are kind of funny, they're affected by a lot of things, by temperature in versions, thermoclines, right called, which can bounce them around in strange ways. But, we're talking about a mile or two of range which means they're probably homing in pretty close. We do have to caution viewers to remember back to the search for MH370 when we thought we heard pings and we ended up learning that they were shark tagging devices. So it sounds pretty solid but let's wait and see.
COOPER: How long, David, before these black boxes can be retrieved then? I mean, is there a special vessel carrying robots due to arrive soon?
DAVID SOUCIE, CNN SAFETY ANALYST: At that depth, Anderson, it's important to maintain the pressure that's on the box. If there is a leak inside the box allowing water to get in or anything that might be unique after the accident, it needs to be encapsulated and brought to the surface at that pressure, and slowly under scientific or very controlled environments slowly release that pressure and bring it out slowly so that the damage to their components aren't damaged by that pressure change.
COOPER: And, Miles, what exactly will the data recorders tell investigators?
O'BRIEN: Well, there are two boxes, one of them is the flight data recorder, this is a sophisticated digital flight data recorder. Hundreds and hundreds of channels of data parameters, just about everything you can imagine on the aircraft, is connected to that box, what that system is doing, and numerous hours of information about that, in excess of 20 hours.
The cockpit voice recorder will give us at least two hours of recordings on a loop of conversations inside the cockpit, what was the crew doing, what were they saying, were they trying to get off an emergency call and just were not heard, what noises did they hear in the cockpit. Those two things together should be able to solve the mystery assuming they survived this.
COOPER: So, David, you would agree that the recorders should provide enough information to tell whether this was a safety issue or terror related?
SOUCIE: Yeah, Anderson, I think it will. What -- we looked in the accident investigation world, we look to the data recorder is telling us what happened. We look to the voice recorders telling us how it happened. So those two things are very uniquely different in the fact that something could look like a routine, it kind of, maintenance failure, but if you listen to what happened in the cockpit before then and what lead up to it, it could lead you more towards an incendiary device or something along those lines. So, the combination of the two is critically important to get the full story.
COOPER: And, David, there were other crashes where the recorders had stopped working or data inside their quarters had been damaged. So, if for some reason that's the case here, how do you -- how else do you determine what happened?
SOUCIE: Well, this kind -- again, is -- the both -- because there's -- and if -- let's say that the data recorder stopped recording or was damaged in the accident and all you have is the flight -- the voice recorders to go by, there's a lot of information that can be gleaned from the audio, for example, just a flip of a switch can have a very unique audio signature of itself to see what was going on and there'll be more narrative.
If the voice recorder is not available, the data recorder is probably the best of the both worlds to have. But even if you have neither of those, the information you get from the aircraft itself, if you find the aircraft, you'll be able to see if there's any kind of incendiary fuel left on the fuse lodge or parts of the aircraft that tells -- gives you large information about that type of thing. And you also are able to tell structural failures or if the engines were under power, had power going on to them when they hit the water. There's a lot of information from three different sources there, really.
COOPER: All right, David Soucie. David, thanks, Miles O'Brien as well.
Just ahead tonight, the killing of Kate Steinle, as you know, sparks some outrage over so-called sanctuary cities.
Tonight, part two of the CNN exclusive report inside the hunt for undocumented immigrants have been convicted of crimes and are back on the streets.
[21:45:04] And this time in Chicago.
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COOPER: The family of Kate Steinle has filed a Federal lawsuit taking aim at the controversial piece of the debate over illegal immigration. Almost a year ago, as you know, Steinle, who was 32, was fatally shot in San Francisco. The man charged in her killing, an undocumented immigrant with a long felony record.
San Francisco is one of more than 300 so-called sanctuary cities across the U.S. that have passed laws limiting and in some places prohibiting local police and jail officials from cooperating with Federal Immigration officials. In other words, they aren't allowed to give immigration agents a heads up when undocumented immigrant is actually released from jail. Immigration agents say this makes their job a lot harder, obviously, while supporters of sanctuary laws say they are necessary.
CNN Justice Correspondent Pamela Brown did an exclusive ride along with Federal immigration agents in Chicago to see for or herself firsthand how all of this plays out on the streets.
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PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: In a Federal facility just outside of Chicago, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agencies are looking undocumented immigrants convicted of crimes in the U.S., preparing them for deportation proceedings.
ALBERTO PEREZ, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT: I went downstairs and all of a sudden I just see, like, four officers there.
BROWN: ICE agents arrested Alberto Perez, a Mexican national in the U.S. illegally. With one domestic battery conviction already on his record, Perez was arrested again last fall on a new charge of domestic battery.
[21:50:02] PEREZ: I did not like this anything will terrible though.
BROWN: You have been arrested twice for domestic battery. Why should you stay here?
PEREZ: I just made a couple of bad decisions, but I'm not going to say I'm proud of it, because I'm not. You know, I love this place I love this place and actually that this place is place my home.
BROWN: Local authorities released Perez from Cook County jail, despite a request from ICE officials to detain him temporarily or at least contact them before setting him free. Which would enabled ICE to pick him up from jail rather than having to search for him on the streets.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Radio check.
BROWN: We spent a day with a ICE fugitive operations team in Chicago and surrounding Cook County, cracking down undocumented immigrant convicts.
SHAWN BYERS, ICE FUGITIVE OPERATIONS SUPERVISOR: The more egregious criminals, the better they are at trying to avoid detection.
So we have a runner.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'll take the other one.
BYERS: So we got him as well.
BROWN: The criminals they're going after were released from Cook County jail, but ICE was never notified because of local sanctuary laws prohibiting local law enforcement from cooperating with Federal immigration officials.
JESUS "CHUY" GARCIA, COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS COMMISIONER: It frees us of liability.
BROWN: Commissioner Chuy Garcia was the driving force behind the sanctuary law in Cook County. ICE is saying OK, we understand you don't want to honor our detainers and hold these people, but can't you pick up the phone and notify us when they're going to be released?
GARCIA: We have a policy that works. There has been not one single instance where someone who was out on bond committed a crime.
BRIAN MCCANN, VICTIM'S BROTHER: Denny on the right ...
BROWN: But Brian McCann says his brother killer was never brought to justice because of Cook County Sanctuary law. So in this picture Denny is altar boy, right?
MCCANN: Denny is the alter boy yes. He was 66 when he died.
BROWN: Denny McCann was crossing the Chicago Street in 2011, when he was killed by a drunk driver. Police say by this man, Sal Chavez, an undocumented immigrant who had already been convicted at DUI once before.
MCCANN: Mr. Chavez with a very high blood alcohol level, hit him and dragged him about two blocks and he died a violent, violent death.
BROWN: Chavez was arrested but just three moths later, the sanctuary law went into effect and Cook County released Chavez on bond, without notifying ICE.
MCCANN: I was stunned when I got this phone call that Mr. Chavez had been released from jail. And I was convinced he was -- because he was a flight risk, he would flee to Mexico which he subsequently did.
BROWN: New data compiled by ICE shows nationwide 378 jurisdictions that climb more than 17,000 ICE detainers requests in less than two years, 447 declined by Cook County alone. One such denied request was from Juan Lopez Sanchez in San Francisco.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you shoot Kate Steinle the lady who was down (inaudible) 14?
JUAN LOPEZ SANCHEZ, UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT: Yes.
BROWN: Sanchez who had already been deported five times confessed to shooting and killing 32 year old Kate Steinle as she walked along the San Francisco pier with her father. Sanchez claims it was an accident.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I could feel she was fighting gasping for every breath.
BROWN: Steinle's family is now suing ICE in the city of San Francisco citing negligence blaming them for her death.
SEC. JEH JOHNSON HOMELAND SECURITY: And like 48 hours ...
BROWN: Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson oversees ICE.
But these people are such a priority, these local officials argue why don't you just get an arrest warrant for them? Wouldn't that resolve the issue and then free them of the liability?
JOHNSON: That's not how a deportation works. It is not a criminal prosecution deportation proceedings do not work that way.
BROWN: Last November, Secretary Johnson narrowed ISIS deportation priorities. Zeroing in on undocumented immigrants in three categories, convicted criminals, public safety threats, and those who recently crossed the border illegally. JOHNSON: We see that reflected in the numbers fewer deportations, but a higher percentage of those who are convicted criminals and threats to public safety.
BYERS: So we let him go on the spot.
BROWN: Today CNN rode along with ICE agents released three undocumented immigrants who did not fit the new more lenient criteria because they did not have criminal records. Still many of those ICE does arrest and deport will sneak right back into the U.S.
When we were on the ride-a-long, every single one of the undocumented felons had been deported at least once, and then came right back across the border to commit crimes again in the United States. One, at least three times how do you stop this vicious cycle when already billions of dollars a year are being spent on border security with Mexico?
JOHNSON: More surveillance, more technology, and there's a public messaging aspect of this too, which is if you come here, you're apprehended at the border and you're a recent arrival, we have to send you back. That is not always pleasant, but it is something that we have to do.
[21:55:04] PEREZ: What's going to happen to me?
BROWN: And for undocumented immigrants criminals like Alberto Perez, going back to Mexico is a daunting prospect.
Do you think you will be deported?
PEREZ: Hopefully in my heart I believe I won't be, but then apparently right now, my fate is in the hands of a judge. I have no family over there, so I just don't want to take myself that I might end up being behind a dumpster or something, you know.
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COOPER: Pamela Brown join us now, give us a sense of how many people the U.S. government is deporting on a daily basis?
BROWN: Well, Secretary Johnson says that told us Anderson that ICE support on average up with 1,000 people a day, every day of the week. And he says with ICE new priorities, that numbers is actually down from what it used to be. Now in the case of Alberto Perez who we just saw there speaking in his holding cell. We've learned that prosecutors decided not to go forward with that second domestic battery charge, but his deportation case is still pending, Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Pamela thanks very much, we'll be right back.
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COOPER: Quick note in some new details on today's shooting at UCLA, authorities calling it murder-suicide. University officials say they will view all campus safety procedures in the wake. Hundreds had to take cover until they all-clear came classes resume tomorrow except where the shooting actually took place.
[22:00:01] That does it for us. Thanks very much for watching. "CNN TONIGHT" with Don Lemon starts now.
