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Coverage of Donald Trump's speech in North Carolina; Trump Slams "Crooked Hillary" Email Investigation; Trump On Clinton Email Decision: "System Is Rigged". Aired 8-9p ET
Aired July 05, 2016 - 20:00 ET
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[20:00:00] DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You saw that last week. A 60 percent increase in premiums. Bluecross, Blueshield through Obamacare.
Now I hear that on November 1st they are going to have an increase in Obamacare and health care that is going to set this country in motion, and I mean motion in a bad way. November 1st. So what Obama wants to do because it's actually election-defying, it is election changing? The numbers are bigger than Texas, 60 percent. The numbers are astronomical, and what they want to do is they now want to take those numbers and move them from November 1st to any time after the election and we're not going to let them get away with it, folks. We're not going to let them get away with it.
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TRUMP: So as I said, today is the best evidence we have ever seen that our system is totally rigged. Hillary Clinton put the entire country in danger. She put the entire country in danger.
And Benghazi. And Benghazi, and plenty of other things, by the way. It was confirmed today that she routinely sent classified emails on an insecure, private server that could be easily hacked by hostile foreign agents. And we learned that people -- she emailed were hacked and probably, I think maybe definitely were hacked by these hostile actors and these are bad, but very, very smart people. A hell of a lot smarter than what we haven Washington. That I can tell you.
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TRUMP: Our enemies may have a blackmail file on crooked Hillary, and this alone means that she should not be allowed to serve as president of the United States.
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TRUMP: We now know, I just wrote this out. We now know that she lied to the country when she said she did not send classified information on her server. She lied! She sent vast amounts of classified information including information classified as top secret. Top secret. OK? And this is where they said that she was extremely careless and, frankly, I say grossly incompetent. She would be such a lousy president. So sad. OK. The lives of American people were put at risk by Hillary Clinton
so that she could carry on her corrupt, financial dealings and that's probably why she didn't want people to see what the hell she was doing. She went through extraordinary lengths to carry out a purge of her emails, 33,000 emails are missing and they say she's fine. Fine, 33,000. And I've always been told you can't ever really get rid of an email, have you heard this? That if we have the real, super geniuses that know this stuff. They say you can't get rid of emails but we didn't use them because they didn't want to use them. They didn't want to use them. So like a criminal with a guilty conscience, Clinton had her lawyers delete, destroy and wipe away forever except I still say there are geniuses that can find them, 30,000 -- think of this, 30,000 emails. This, again, disqualifies her from service. And just think of it. I mean, how can you have this?
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TRUMP: We know now that these deletions include emails that were work related and one more big, fat, beautiful lie by crooked Hillary. Any government employee who engaged in this kind of behavior would be barred from handling classified information. Again, that alone disqualifies her. And again, Bernie Sanders talked about bad, bad judgment, but he's not happy tonight, folks, because now it looks like it's over for Bernie. But you know what? I have a feeling they are going to have a lot of people marching on pill fill. Let's see what happens, OK? Let's see.
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TRUMP: I don't know about you, but I always felt that Hillary Clinton would escape criminal charges for her dangerous and illegal behavior because I always knew and I always see that our system is rigged. It's totally rigged. OK? It's corrupt. It's rigged. It's disgraceful. You have a statement made today at 11:00 and then you have a big speech by the president flying in on air force one with Hillary Clinton a few hours later even though we have more people here than they do, but we won't say that.
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TRUMP: So, the AG met with the president, had to, before the announcement. How about that? Met with President Bill Clinton. How about that deal, right? He's waiting around. He's waiting at the airport. Look, the AG is coming. Let me go say hello, 39 minutes. I'm going to talk about the grandkids. He's got two. I hear they're beautiful. I hear they're beautiful. He's got two!
Now I have eight grandchildren. And I will tell you, I can talk about them and after I say isn't she beautiful? Isn't he beautiful? I love those kids. I love the kid. I love him. But after about a minute, I can't go much longer. I want to get to business, right? For you, I want to get to business.
But he didn't talk about that. He talked about golf. So he talked about the grandkids and I would say that would take anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute. Seriously. Am I right? I mean, you know? How long can you talk?
Miss Attorney General, I have some of the most beautiful grandchildren you have ever seen. Let me show a picture. Isn't that great? Let me show you another picture. What do you think? I think they're beautiful. Aren't they beautiful? And they're smart and they're great. They're great! Now he's starting to run out of words. That's 30 seconds. OK.
Now he's going to talk about golf! I know more about golf than he does. You can't talk about golf that long. It just -- hey, Jack Nicklaus is the greatest. The greatest, right? He is. Tiger, when's Tiger coming back? Adam Scott is wonderful. He won at (INAUDIBLE). Phil Mickelson, we love him. What are you going to talk about? You can't talk for much longer. A couple, OK. I don't think they won over the swing and the technique or anything, right? The plane's too small, right? Right?
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TRUMP: So give the grandchildren two minutes. Give the golf three and a half minutes. That's a long time to be sitting there twiddling your thumbs. What else are we going to talk about? Let's talk about Hillary! Let's talk about Hillary. Did you see today Hillary announced that she may consider the attorney general? I'm not casting as Persians on anybody other than Hillary, of course. But she may consider the attorney general who is ruling on her case now. Now they're ruling on the case to continue forward as attorney general.
Now how do you make that statement when they are going to rule because remember what happened, the FBI makes their recommendation and then still, it's up to the attorney general's office. So Hillary said today at least according to what I saw on television which you can't always believe. I found it hard to believe she'd said this, but she said today that we may consider the attorney general to go forward. That's like a bribe, isn't it? Isn't it sort of a bribe? I think it's a bribe.
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TRUMP: I mean, that if she wins she is going to consider extending the attorney general. And you know what? I'm not saying -- I'm not knocking the attorney general. What I'm saying is how can you say that? It's a bribe!
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TRUMP: I mean, the attorney general is saying if I get Hillary off the hook I'm going have four more years or eight more years, but if she loses I'm out of job. It's a bribe! It's a disgrace! It's a disgrace! She is laughing at the stupidity of our system. She is laughing and so is her husband bill, laughing at what's going on -- and they've been there before. You know it. They've been there between whitewater and all of the other, they have been there. Look at her cattle futures. She did better with cattle proportionately than people that have been in the cattle business all their lives and have made million in the cattle. She did better than they did and she never did it before. I wonder how that happened. OK?
She's crooked Hillary, folks!
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[20:10:15] TRUMP: And now with all of that you have Obama campaigning and he was campaigning and this was set up a long time ago and he knew that the FBI was going to do this because it would have been very uncomfortable for him to campaign with her actually if they didn't take a pass on crooked Hillary. So they take a pass, they announced they're not going to press charges. Lo and behold, a few hours later, let's have a press conference. Let's do a speech together. By the way, her speech -- her speech was terrible. I watched it. How boring was that speech? Do we like Trump better? Do we like Trump better?
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TRUMP: Now let me just tell you. Let me just tell you because the word temperament comes in. She says he has got a very strong temperament. I have to tell you the truth, chopping off heads, losing thousands and thousands and thousands of people to these savage animal, right? We need somebody with a tough temperament. It's time. It's time.
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TRUMP: And I tell you. Whether it's on trade, whether it is on military and whether it's at the border, the last person these other countries want to see as president of the United States because I'm going to be fighting for you, not fighting for them. I'm going to be fighting for you is Donald J. Trump. The last person.
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TRUMP: So -- the last person.
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TRUMP: So a very amazing and prestigious man. I won't use his name, but some people will know who I'm talking about. I was at his house and he said, Donald, I thought you were totally wrong. I thought you were much too China. I thought you were much too tough on Japan. I thought you were much too tough on Mexico and all of these other countries that you're talking to with respect, but I thought you were much too tough. And for a year I've been telling people he's being too tough. I thought you were much too tough Donald, on Saudi Arabia and much too tough. I thought you were much too tough on Japan because as you know and as you never knew before I got involve weed paid for a big portion of Japan's military, and I want them to help us out. This isn't 40 years ago. This isn't 30 years ago. They're sending cars to us by the millions. And believe me, we don't need more Iran deals done by incompetent people. We need smart people and we need great negotiators. And believe me, I'll head it up and I know what I'm doing but we have the greatest negotiators in the world and we don't use them. We use political hacks. So we take care of Japan and we take care of Germany and we take care
of lots of places, South Korea. We have 28,000 soldiers on the line between north and South Korea. South Korea, order a television. See if you can buy one in the United States. You know what the answer is? You can't. Order other things, many other things and see if you can buy them. Hey, who just moved to Mexico, right? Who just moved to Mexico from Indiana, the great state of Indiana who gave me another victory, right? Carrier. So we don't make that anymore. So Carrier is moving. By the way, I would tell people at Carrier. Love you, people, every time you make an air-conditioning unit and enjoy your beautiful factory, you are going to send it through the border which is now a very strong and secure border and you are going to pay 35 percent tax. You know what? They're not leaving. They are not leaving, folks. They're not going to leave.
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TRUMP: Now Hillary Clinton won't say that, and I'll tell you, the press doesn't treat it right. One person actually at "The New York Times," David Sanger treated it right, along with Maggie. They wrote a story that was pretty accurate, about 82 percent, but I mentioned this all of the time and the press would go, Donald Trump wants Japan to go nuclear. I didn't said that.
You have to be prepared always in a deal to walk. For instance with the horrible deal we made with Iran. The horrible deal and the incompetent deal, Kerry should have picked up and walked a couple of times. He should have walked when they said they won't give back the hostages until the deal is done. He should have walked. And then he should have walked, doubled up the sanctions and by the time they landed back in the United States they could have turned the plane around and you would have had the hostages back instead of waiting for years.
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TRUMP: And he should have said one other thing, folks. We gave them back $150 billion. I would have said it differently. I would have said, you know, my father used to say, son, you're too tough. Take the lumps out soft, nice and easy. My father was great. Good salesman. Good builder. He loved to build houses. He was a good builder. I learned so much from him. And he was a great guy, loved my father. But he used to say son, son, you're too tough. Take the lumps out.
So in the old days I would have said we're not giving you the $150 billion! And they would have been angry and we would have had lots of problem, right? I wouldn't say it that way anymore. My father taught me too well. I would have said, fellas, and it is all fell as, I hate to say. They haven't figured out that the women are smarter than the men yet, OK? They will. They will. It will take about 150 to 200 more years, but they'll figure it out. Then we're really in trouble. Can you imagine? Because the Persians are great negotiators and I would have said fell as, do me a favor. We have a problem. We have a bad budget that was just passed, the Omni bus budget, disaster. We go to $21 trillion in debt. We don't have the money. I'm sorry. I apologize. I won't be able to pull it off. I'm not going to be able to give you the $150 billion. I can't do it. I can't. I want to do it. I want to do it so badly.
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TRUMP: And you're right. You should get it. You should get it, oh, you're right, but we don't have the money. And then they will go crazy. And then we leave and we say the hell with them, double up the sanctions again and the will say we'll drop the 150 billion. We have rank amateurs dealing for us. I have the greatest businessmen in the world -- Carl Icahn, many endorsing me. We will bring so much back.
We have right now, I say it's a $5 trillion, the government says it is $2.5 trillion but it is a lot. In other places, in other areas across the seas that we want to bring back. My tax plan which cuts taxes for everyone, by the way, including business and middle class in particular.
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TRUMP: It cuts taxes. We are going to bring all of that money back and that money will be spent in the United States. Right now we can't get the money back so you have corporate inversions. You have companies leaving the United States to get their money. They can't get their money back. It's impossible bureaucratically and the taxes are so ridiculous that only a person who is really, really, really dumb would say send it back.
So they leave the money over there and they take the company, they move the company to the money. Haven't you heard that one before? And it's happening all over the place. Take a look at what's going on and it's going to end. It is going to end. We're one of the highest taxed nations in the world. We are cutting the hell out of hell out of these taxes. We are cutting the hell out of these ridiculous regulations which are destroying our businesses and destroying our businesses.
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TRUMP: And we're going to do it, OK. So just to finish because I am so proud of what I wrote. I have to read it, right? I love them.
I actually love writing. People don't realize, you know how many number one best-sellers I've had? And "the art of the deal." I actually know how to write. I love reading this stuff. I love it! The question really has to be asked is this, what is Hillary Clinton's motive? And to that I'm even going to say who cares? She has put us in danger. And some people say that it's corrupt financially. I don't care what her motive is. All I know is she had a motive, but she's erased so many emails we'll never find out, OK? Bill and Hillary Clinton raked in millions of dollars from foreign dollars and foreign interests in exchange for favors, folks. For favors. She's crooked Hillary, don't you understand that? This is one of the most crooked politicians in history. These entities either funneled money into the Clinton foundation or paid bill Clinton lavishly for speeches. Got paid a fortune. At least 60 companies that lobbied the state department during
Clinton's tenure as secretary of state donated a total of 26 million to the Clinton foundation. OK. Twenty six million and she's dealing with these countries. Bill Clinton, and by the way, many of these countries treat women and want to enslave women and they treat women horribly. And as far as the gay community they push them off buildings and they kill them and they execute them. And she has tens and millions of dollars from these countries. Believe me, I am better for the gay I am better for women than she will ever be on her best day. On her best day.
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[20:21:17] TRUMP: Bill Clinton was paid a fortune to deliver a speech in Moscow, Russia, while Hillary Clinton was in charge of the Russian reset, another disaster. Bill Clinton was paid money by the Chinese government, a lot, and its supporters while hill handled China policy. And during this time, China was dealing hundreds of billions of dollars in United States intellectual property. OK, folks? We can go on forever.
ABC News said President Clinton accepted speaking fees from numerous companies and individuals with interests pending before Hillary Clinton's state department. That's nice. That's nice. International business times said governments and corporations involved in the arms deals approved by Clinton's state departments have delivered, listen to this, have delivered her state department. She is approving deals. Have delivered deals and have delivered between 54 and $141 million to the Clinton -- $141 million. Are we -- what's going on here? To the Clinton foundation as well as hundreds of dollars in payments to the Clinton family. Then when Hillary left the state department she was paid $21.6 million for speeches delivered in less than two years. That's not bad. $21 million for making speeches and she is a boring speaker. She is terrible. Think what I could make. Man, what I make. She is a terrible speaker. She got $21.6 million for speeches and she refuses because Bernie Sanders knows this better than anybody. She refuses to give up the text of the speeches. I don't know what's in there. I don't care if she gives it up because I understand her. And I understand many of the people that are her supporters. And by the way, many of them are friends of mine. They're going to own her. Don't forget, I used to be on the other side of the equation. I used to be the establishment and June 16th, I ran. And everyone said, he is no longer establishment. He is not supposed to be running. He doesn't need our money. That's terrible. And I put up $55 million approximately in the primaries, and won big league and then --
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TRUMP: And I'm putting up money now, but I'm raising a lot of money for the party. It's good. It's good. It's really good. We're going to win this thing, and we'll win this country back from these thieves and these crooks and this horrible president, this pony president.
And I mean it when I say when Obama can take all of this time off, when you have bombings all over the place and you have ISIS as an example and all of the bad deals. When he can take that kind of time off to spend it with Hillary Clinton with the seal of the president in front as she stands there, she doesn't look presidential to me, folks, I can tell you that. She doesn't look presidential to me.
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TRUMP: Hillary also had reason to hide her foreign policy disasters and the decisions that went into them. Her push for regime change in Libya, Egypt and Syria has been a total and complete disaster. Her Iraq policy see has been catastrophic. She has unleashed ISIS across the Middle East with her bad decisions and her bad judgment. And she's going to do nothing about it because she's a weak, weak person. She doesn't have the strength. And she doesn't have the temperament, believe me.
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[20:25:16] TRUMP: It's going to be more of the same, folks. More of the same.
In 2009, before she took office Libya was cooperating. Syria was under control. Iraq w seeing a reduction in violence and Iran was being choked, absolutely choked financially. They were dying.
Now after she left, ISIS controls huge portions of Iraq. Syria and Libya committing unspeakable, inhuman atrocities and trying to launch attacks against the west. Iran, meanwhile, has been placed on the path to nuclear weapons as become true a power. They have become a true power in the Middle East and beyond. And they were in power. We gave them power with that horrible, horrible deal.
So Hillary Clinton's policies have spread ISIS and made Iran the dominant, Islamic power in the Middle East. Hillary Clinton can't keep her emails safe. And you know what, folks? She sure as hell can't keep our country safe. Can't do it. Can't do it.
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TRUMP: So I want to thank the people of North Carolina. It's been such an amazing -- an amazing run for me. It's been such an amazing run. We've had a lot of good times. We've had a lot of fun, we've had a lot of speeches, we have had a lot of good times together, though, seriously, and look. We need change. Not Obama change. Remember Obama used to we need change. It sounded so good, everybody thought, and I actually thought he would be a cheerleader for the country. I though he would be a cheer leader. And he has turned out to be a very divisive person, OK? We need change. And I hate to use the term, but we really do need change. We need fresh, tough, bold ideas. We need people that know what they are doing. We need people who aren't worried about political correctness. We can't use that term. We can't use that term.
And I watched Obama a week ago spend a whole speech on talking about why he shouldn't necessarily have to say radical Islam, why he shouldn't do it. That's what the problem is and he doesn't even know it. I don't even think -- honestly, folks, I don't think he has a clue. I don't think he knows what the hell is going on, OK? I don't think he knows what's going on.
And you know, it's a very interesting thing, but I was watching yesterday. And everybody is saying ISIS, ISIS, ISIS, ISIS. Well, you know, you can have your definition. It has to do with territory and it has to do with other things and we can both give you definitions of ISIS and ISIL. But have you ever noticed people says except him, he says ISIL. ISIL. Because an ISIL is being driven back. And ISIL is the JV, remember that? The JV. Man, if that's the JV, I sure as well don't want to see the varsity, right? Don't worry. Don't worry. If I win, they'll be the JV and then they'll go down to first grade, pretty soon, folks.
But he says ISIL. And you know, it's almost like he does to make people upset. I have had so many people say why doesn't he just say ISIS? Forget even about definitions. And actually, some friends of mine that are very, very good on the subject that says ISIS is actually more accurate, but who knows? But everybody says ISIS and it would be so nice, right? Don't say ISIL. And ISIL will be driven back. You know, it is always ISIL will be driven back. In the meantime, it's a disaster. It's totally a disaster.
Remember this, and I said it before, our military is depleted at a time when probably in the history of this country we need strong military. We are going to win North Carolina.
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[20:30:00] TRUMP: We are going to get rid of these fools, these fools that are running our country. They are fools. We are not going to go four more years that even the FBI today talks so horribly about this person, to a point where you said how can you possibly say no charges? What they said and what he said today was so bad.
So here's what we're going to do. We're going to start winning again. We're going to win so much, you'll going to be so sick of winning, folks. Oh, you're going to be so angry at me. You're going to be so angry at me. You're going to have your lieutenant governors here. You're going have your head of the Supreme Court who's here. These are great people with great, great, where are they? Are they around here some place? They're here. Stand up. Come on. Stand up. Beautiful. These are great, great people with great reputations. I will tell you, outside of North Carolina they have great reputations, OK? And you're lucky to have them.
But here's what we're going to do. We're going to start winning again. We're going to win at every level. We're going to win with our military. We're going to take care of our vets and we got to really take care of our vets. And it's not even a question of money, it's a question of competence. We're spending so much money and it's corrupt. It's a corrupt enterprise.
The veteran, administration, you look at what's going on in Arizona with the V.A. It's a corrupt enterprise.
So we're going to start winning. We're going to win on the Second Amendment. We're not going to let people take our guns away. We're going to terminate common core out of Washington. We're going to bring our education local. Local. So we can have our local people who love our children and who really understand our children, give them the kind of education that we want.
We're going to repeal and replace ObamaCare so quickly. So quickly. We're going to create strong, strong borders. We're going to build our wall. We're going to stop drugs from flowing into our country like water. It's flowing into our country like water. We're going to protect our states. We're going to protect our youth and others from the drugs that are flowing through the southern border.
We are going to make the greatest trade deals anyone's ever made. We're going to bring our jobs back. We're going to bring manufacturing back. We're going to be selling things to other countries. We're not going to let countries come in and take advantage of us, take our companies out, sell their goods with no tax, with no nothing. And then when our manufacturers want to go to China and other places to sell their goods, they can't get their goods into the country because the Chinese say we don't want your goods, so they dump into our land and they dump this steel and they dump their aluminum and they destroy our factories and they destroy so much.
And you know what, folks? We're going to end up doing our own products largely again. And you know what? Let me tell you. Our products, and I am not for isolation. This is only if they don't behave, but they devalue their currency. They make it impossible for o companies to compete. Every time we start to do well, various countries that are grand masters, they start devaluing their currencies and our countries go from, boy, I'm feeling good today to oh, here we go again. You can't compete. It cheating. It's a big form of cheating.
We are going take care of our manufacturers and we're going to start making product again.
And let me tell you something. We may pay a little more for the product, but we're going to have all those jobs that make the product in the long run. We're going to be much better off. Much better off.
And a lot of that will come back. And again, no isolation. We'll going to have fair trade. We'll going to have free trade. One of these people sitting right up there asked me the other day, what do you do? Do you call it fair trade? Do you call it free trade? It's all good. I can give you 10 different names for trade.
Here's what I call it. We're going to make great deals for our country. I don't care if it's fair, if it's free. I don't give a damn what it is. We're going to make great deals for our country. OK? We're not going to let happen what's been happening.
So, folks, we'll going to start winning again. We'll going to win so much.
[20:35:00] You'll going to be so sick of me. You'll going to have the justice call me. You'll going to have the lieutenant governor and the governor call me and say Mr. President, the people of North Carolina are sick and tired of winning. You're winning too much. They're really starting to dislike you, Mr. President. And I'm going to tell the Justice and I'm going to tell the governor and the lieutenant governor, I'm sorry, we've got to keep winning because we're going to make America great again.
I love you, North Carolina. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you.
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JOHN BERMAN, CNN HOST: There you have it. Donald Trump wrapping up an appearance in Raleigh, North Carolina. We did bring it to you in its entirety just as we did Hillary Clinton's event with President Obama in Charlotte today and the FBI Director's event if you can call it that. It has been that kind of day.
The presumptive Republican nominee tonight slamming Secretary Clinton, slamming the decision today not to recommend bringing criminal charges against her for using a private e-mail server while she was Secretary of State. Calling the system behind that decision rigged.
A dramatic end to a dramatic day. It did begin with the FBI Director James Comey announcing the FBI would not recommend that Secretary Clinton face charges, but he sharply, sharply condemned her judgment. Then from the President of the United States, a ringing and rousing endorsement. The first time he and she had been on the campaign trail together this year. So much to talk about in the next 90 minutes.
Joining us now from Raleigh, CNN's Sara Murray. Sara, you've been in the hall for Donald Trump's speech right now. It was 90 -- no, it's about 66 minutes. It covered a broad range of subjects to put it politely, but people were watching because they wanted to know what his reaction would be to the FBI Director's news conference today saying he would not recommend charges against Hillary Clinton. How did he handle that specifically?
SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Well, John, it was a pretty fiery takedown from Donald Trump today, not only of Hillary Clinton, but also of President Obama. He continued with the notion that the system is rigged, that Hillary Clinton was only able to get away with it because she is a Clinton, essentially, saying no other American would be able to pull this off. And also saying that the e-mails are the latest sign that her judgment is compromised.
Now, he also took some swipes at President Obama saying let's get the White House and he sees a carnival act, like you said, John, that there was a lot to chew (inaudible) that lasted for more than an hour. Let's take a listen to some of the highlights.
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TRUMP: When you hear what was said by the FBI Director today, and you listen, you listen to what he said, and in the middle of it, he was talking about so many different things. He talked about extremely careless. She was extremely careless. That's a tremendous word. You didn't have to be careless. You didn't even have to really know that what you were doing was wrong and you're guilty because we're talking about serious stuff. We're talking about the lifeblood of our country. We're talking about the safety of our people.
The laws are very explicit. Stupidity is not a reason that you're going to be innocent, OK? It's not a reason. And I don't happen to believe that it was stupidity, OK? But even stupidity is not a reason. And boy, what they've done.
So I wrote this out, and I'm going to read some of it to you, and I think it makes sense, and I think it's important for us to understand. Today is the best evidence ever that we've seen that our system is absolutely, totally rigged. It's rigged. We now know, I just wrote this out. We now know that she lied to the country when she said she did not send classified information on her server. She lied. She sent vast amounts of classified information, including information classified as top secret. Top secret. OK? And this is where they said that she was extremely careless. And frankly, I say, grossly incompetent, she will be such a lousy president, folks. So sad. OK.
The lives of the American people were put at risk by Hillary Clinto so that she could carry on her corrupt financial dealings, probably -- that's probably why she didn't want people to see what the hell she was doing.
[20:40:06] She went to extraordinary lengths to carry out an Enron- style purge of her e-mails. 33,000 e-mails are missing and they say, "Oh, she's fine, she's fine." 33,000. And I've always been told you can't really get rid of an e-mail. Have you ever heard this? That if we have the real super geniuses that know this stuff, they say you can't get rid of e-mails, but we didn't use them because they didn't want to use them. They didn't want to use them.
So like a criminal with a guilty conscience, Clinton had her lawyers delete, destroy and wipe away forever except, I still say there are geniuses they can find them, 30,000, think of this, 30,000, e-mails. These, again, disqualifies her from service and just think of it, I mean, how can you have this?
We know now that these deletions included e-mails that were work- related. One more big, fat, beautiful lie by crooked Hillary. Any government employee who engaged in this kind of behavior would be barred from handling classified information. Again, that alone disqualifies her.
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MURRAY: Now, one of the more remarkable comments that Donald Trump did make during this event tonight was suggesting that Hillary Clinton effectively bribed Attorney General Loretta Lynch that's after there was a "New York Times" story were some top Democrat objected. Clinton might keep Loretta Lynch on as AG if she is elected president even though Loretta Lynch said that she would just listen to the recommendations of FBI Director James Comey. She wouldn't weigh in on this process that did not stop Donald Trump from levering that charge tonight essentially calling it a bribe job. BERMAN: Sara, you know, Donald Trump said bragged about the fact that he had written down talking points on what FBI Director James Comey said today. Written down what he wanted to just say about Secretary Clinton and her e-mails. Do you get a sense of what the campaign wants to do with this over the next few days and weeks?
MURRAY: Well, I think that they want to paint this as sort of a broader sense that the system is rigged and that Hillary Clinton and the Clintons in general have been able to get away with things that other families have not.
So you see it, the latest example is the e-mails, what Donald Trump brought up light water this evening. He brought up cattle futures this evening. He wants to paint a broader narrative that the Clintons are a corrupt couple and not only would continue President Obama's policies that they would also sort of corrupt the to White House if they're elected again. So I think we're going to hear more of that narrative over the next couple of days. John.
BERMAN: All right, Sara Murray in Raleigh, North Carolina, thanks so much. We have much more to discuss about what we just saw from Donald Trump at the end of this remarkable day, not to mention what we heard from the President earlier today and the FBI Director as well.
We will check some of the claims. We will test some of the statements when we come back.
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[20:46: 45] BERMAN: Donald Trump speaking out tonight, slamming FBI Director James Comey's decision today not to recommend bringing criminal charges against Hillary Clinton for her use of a private e- mail, actually, private e-mail servers while Secretary of State.
Joining us now is CNN political commentator and BET News host, Marc Lamont Hill, New York State Democratic Party executive director, Basil Smikle, who supports Hillary Clinton, CNN senior legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin, and our other CNN political commentators, former Trump campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, Trump supporter, Kayleigh McEnany and conservative Trump critic, Tara Setmayer.
The table is set for a fruitful discussion. Jeffrey Toobin, I want to talk a little bit about what the substance of what Donald Trump said.
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: Right.
BERMAN: He says the system is rigged. He imply that his investigation was rigged. He criticized the meeting between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch on that tarmac in Arizona a week ago. A meeting, I think everyone agrees was politically half handed and morally questionable at this point. But the implication there was that James Comey, the FBI Director was somehow influenced by that and by the political system. You know, James Comey, based on what you saw today, do you think he was buckling under political pressure?
TOOBIN: Not a chance. I mean out of all, anyone in this whole drama, the person who has least -- there is least grounds for criticism in terms of their background, in terms of their suitability to make these decisions. James Comney is head and shoulders above anybody. Here's a guy who serves a 10 year non-reviewable term as head of the FBI. He has no -- he is going to be the head of the FBI no matter who's the next president is.
He's a former U.S. attorney here in New York, former deputy attorney general under George W. Bush, a Republican. He is someone with a great deal of credibility. The idea that Bill Clinton to Loretta Lynch to, you know, gave some sort of marching orders. It's just outside the realm with possibility.
BERMAN: Corey Lewandowski, the argument you hear from Donald Trump, and you didn't just hear it tonight on this, you've heard it for months now, the system is rigged. You were inside that campaign, why does the campaign think the system is rigged is a good argument for Donald Trump and why does he tie it to so many things?
COREY LEWANDOWSKI, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, it's not just Donald Trump, it's the same argument that Bernie Sanders made. And it's the same argument that I think the American people in the heartland think is that, you know, people go to Washington, D.C. and they're treated differently, they get special privileges, they get, you know, cars and all the things that the American people don't get. And the system is rigged. You know what you see many times, you see elected officials go in to office and they come out very wealthy.
BERMAN: Is James Comey rigged?
LEWANDOWSKI: No, I don't think he's rigged and I don't think ...
BERMAN: He's not an elected official.
LEWANDOWSKI: No one is questioning his integrity but I think what ...
BERMAN: What Donald Trump do ...
LEWANDOWSKI: But we are questioning ...
BERMAN: ... if it's not questioning his integrity by saying that he is rigged?
LEWANDOWSKI: It's not the job of the FBI director to determine that a prosecutor would not prosecute the case. His determination, his job is to present that evidence to a prosecutor to make their own determination and he said in his press conference that no prosecutor would move forward on this. That's not his role. His role is to present the evidence and let the prosecutors decide.
BERMAN: He didn't make clear, he will let them make that decision. Now, it does seem unlikely that they will make a difference decision the one you recommended, but he did say he will look at the prosecutors to make that decision.
Kayleigh McEnany, another thing that Donald Trump said today was that Loretta Lynch was being bribed by Hillary Clinton. [20:50:02] Now what he's basing that on is one or two sentences that were part of an article that came out suggesting that Hillary Clinton might want to keep on Loretta Lynch as attorney general if she were elected.
Hillary Clinton did not say it which Donald Trump says he did but he wrong about, but it was a sentence in a newspaper. But, to say that Hillary Clinton is bribing Loretta Lynch, is there any actual evidence of that?
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, TRUMP SUPPORTER: What have extremely odd that Democrat sources close to Hillary Clinton linked to the "New York Times" that in fact, they would consider keeping Loretta Lynch on board as attorney general, also extremely odd that Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch had a 39-minute meeting on a tarmac randomly talking about their grandchildren.
BERMAN: But do you think James Comey was influenced by that?
MCENANY: What I do think is that the system is different for Hillary Clinton than it is for other people. You look back last year, 2015, we had James Comey who came out today and said no one's been prosecuted without intent, case well just doesn't show that.
There was a naval reservist prosecuted last year who took information that was supposed to be viewed on a computer, put it on his phone, had no intent to distribute it, he was successfully prosecuted. Yet Hillary Clinton, who said, no classified e-mails here, in fact had 2,000 of them that were up classified. Nothing marked as classified, she changed her story. 110 were. The facts are different. The rules are different for Hillary Clinton than they are for the average American citizen.
BERMAN: This is a chance to bring in Evan Perez, our Justice Department correspondent right now who's covered this case from the beginning.
Evan, now, you just heard what Kayleigh McEnany had to say. You also heard what the FBI Director James Comey said earlier today, when he said that in cases where prosecutions were brought, the circumstances were different either there was the intent to deceive or the intent, you know, to hide classified e-mails or there was gross negligence in the amount of e-mails that were transmitted or information, classified information that was transmitted. How does the FBI justify the difference between what Kayleigh is saying these other cases and the Hillary Clinton case?
EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, one of the things that the FBI looked at is whether or not the conduct that we're seeing -- that we saw with Hillary Clinton, whether it rose to the level of either a felony or a misdemeanor.
And in this case, you know, they were looking at the volume of e- mails. They said -- Comey said that the volume did not reach a level where it suggested intent. Again, the question that was -- essentially, this case hung on was the question of whether or not Hillary Clinton intended to violate the law when she set up this e-mail server.
She says that her e-mail server where she was set it up for convenience purposes, that certainly she wanted to -- I think she's also said that she wanted to make sure that personal information was not mixed in with her private -- with her public information, her government work.
So, again, those are the explanation she has given. And what the FBI found was that there was no intent to violate the law.
Now, clearly, this is not the way to handle classified information. I think Comey made that very clear today. But what happened today, John, is not the way you usually see FBI investigations go. I mean, he made the recommendation of no charges be brought, but that's something that's usually done internally as Corey just mentioned.
He'd spent -- also spent much of his time laying out all this evidence against Hillary Clinton. You know, Hillary has -- Clinton has claimed that there was no information that was marked classified on her server and that the information was only retroactively classified.
Comey put those claims to rest. He said that the FBI found that there were 110 e-mails, 52 e-mail chains that contained classified information at the time that they were sent and that there were seven e-mail chains in which Clinton was an active participant sending and receiving e-mails that contained classified information, dealing with the most closely guarded information.
BERMAN: All right. Evan, stand by one minute now. I want to get back to the politics here. Basil Smikle, you know, Evan Perez just said the FBI determined that Hillary Clinton did not violate the law in their judgment. But did she violate the truth?
One of the statements Donald Trump made tonight in his speech in Raleigh, North Carolina was that Hillary Clinton lied to the American people when she said early on when this scandal came out that she never sent classified e-mail? The FBI Director said that wasn't true. There were a lot of classified e-mails that were sent.
She also said she did not send anything marked classified. The FBI director today said that's not true. He said there were a small number that were marked classified. So, was she lying?
BASIL, SMIKLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NEW YORK STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY: No, I think she would be surprised or was surprised that that statement as was the State Department. The State Department said the same thing that there were -- there was nothing marked classified that was sent to in these e-mails.
So, I think it's a surprise to a lot of people.
BERMAN: They were wrong. SMIKLE: Well, it's a surprise to our host (ph). But I go back to the original point that the FBI Director has said nothing met the standard for criminal activity. There was no intent here to violate the law. So, I don't think she was lying.
BERMAN: Tara Setmayer, is this the end of this? You've worked on Capitol Hill already today. We have heard from the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. They say they have questions for the FBI Director now about how he came to this conclusion. Jason Chaffetz in the House says, he may want to bring him up for some questions.
[20:54:59] TARA SETMAYER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I would expect that. And I think that would be justified, because, you know, we've been discussing this on this channel all day.
What's the difference between extreme carelessness and gross negligence? The statute, the Federal statute says intent's not necessary for gross negligence of mishandling classified information. Jeffrey, you can correct me if I'm wrong on that. But, intent isn't -- doesn't have to be proven.
So, there were some contradictions in what the FBI Director presented versus what's happened in the past.
I mean, Kayleigh brought up one case. There was another case of a marine officer, decorated marine officer who sent an e-mail, one classified report warning against an attack in Afghanistan, there was a questionable Afghan captain there and the belief. And what end up happening? He killed three marines in the work out unit and this guy is getting kicked out of the marines for it.
So, I mean, General Petraeus, people say that there's no comparison because he pleaded guilty but he mishandled information. There was no intent. But he find the things on a social reform that Hillary Clinton ...
BERMAN: Jeffrey, Jeffry, Jeff right now. I do want to get to you.
TOOBIN: Right.
BERMAN: The FBI Director said extremely careless, they should have known better. How is that different in grossly negligent?
TOOBIN: Because under the case law, not the statute, is that every case that has been brought and this is where a point he made very clearly, in fact, every case that has been brought involves knowledge of classified information. That you knew -- the defendant knew the information was classified. Here, Hillary Clinton was obviously wrong in what she said. But the question is was she lying? And there was no proof that she was lying.
If I can make one other point that Comey raised also, he said one key factor in deciding whether to prosecute, and this has come up in this other cases as well, is did the suspect, did the defendant or would be defendant lie in the course of the investigation? Did they do anything to cover up? And there, they found there was nothing that Hillary Clinton did to cover up her behavior which is often a very important point.
BERMAN: All right. We're going to talk about that. Marc Lamont Hill, I want to get to you in a moment too. There was a lot more to discuss.
Luckily, we have a lot more time. At the top of the next hour, more on Donald Trump's allegations and that involves of James Comey's decision and Hillary Clinton's first day campaigning with President Obama, which happened to be today with everything else going on. His ringing endorsement of her, all that in more when "360" continues.
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