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[20:00:02] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: And good evening. Thanks for joining us.
We begin tonight with a new interview of Donald Trump in which he's asked about his own widely reported infidelities as he keeps bringing up the Clinton's marriage. In a new interview, Donald Trump says he has a, quote, "very good history" in his marriages. He also says he won the debate Monday night and he's very proud of his role in perpetuating the lie that President Obama wasn't born in the United States. Those are the highlights or the lowlights, depending on your perspective.
The interview today was with Paul Steinhauser, political director and anchor of New Hampshire 1 News. He joins me now.
So, Paul, what was the headline for you?
PAUL STEINHAUSER, NEW HAMPSHIRE 1 NEWS: I think the headlines were Donald Trump still convinced, Anderson, that he won the debate on Monday night regardless of what some of the most recent polls have said since the debate and he's sticking by his birtherism comments. Take a listen.
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STEINHAUSER: Back in Monday's debate, going into that debate, a lot of people said that Hillary Clinton was going to try to bait you. And some people say, maybe you took the bait. Will you be more disciplined maybe in the second debate?
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't think I took the bait. You know, every online poll had me winning the debate. So, every single one of them. So, look, I found it to be an amazing experience actually. We had 88 million people or something around that number, and I just found it to be an amazing experience.
No, I think we did well. I think I did -- you know, I'm very happy with the way it turned out.
STEINHAUSER: You were asked about the birther question and you said you were proud of what you did. You did a service to the president and to the country. So, you stand by those comments, you're proud of what you did?
TRUMP: Well, I'm the one that got him to put up his birth certificate. Hillary Clinton was unable to get there and I will tell you, she tried. And you look at her campaign and everybody knows it happened, and I would say that pretty much everybody agrees with me.
But she tried and she was unable to do it and I tried and was able do it. So, I'm very proud of that.
STEINHAUSER: You didn't mention Bill Clinton and his past affairs. You may do this in the second debate?
TRUMP: Well, she was very nasty to me. And I was going to do it and I saw Chelsea sitting out in the audience and I just didn't want to go there. I thought it would be too disrespectful. I just didn't want to do it.
But she was very nasty. Let's see what happens but I just didn't want to put it there. It was -- it is a hard thing to say in front of somebody's daughter.
STEINHAUSER: If it does come up, duke maybe your past marital history is also fair game?
TRUMP: I guess. I mean, they can do. But a lot different than his, I can tell you. I mean, we have a situation where we have a president who was a disaster and he was ultimately impeached over it in a sense for lying. So, we'll see whether or not we discuss it.
STEINHAUSER: You're not worried about your past history at all?
TRUMP: No, not at all. I have a very good history.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: So, Paul, you were also at Trump's rally there in New Hampshire today. The whole idea of the Bill Clinton's infidelities, did he bring that up?
STEINHAUSER: He was pretty tough on the Clintons and he went after Bill Clinton specifically. He said, the Clintons are the sordid past and, Anderson, he said that he would be the bright and clean future.
As for his interview with NH1 News there, I think your fact checkers at CNN may take issue with some of what he said. And, Anderson, I'm looking forward to the second debate. I think you and Martha Raddatz, the moderators -- you're going to have a lot to deal with there.
COOPER: Paul Steinhauser, fascinating interview. Thanks very much.
Hillary Clinton was asked about a number of these issues today. Jeff Zeleny joins me with that.
So, Clinton spoke to reporters on the plane again on the plane today. What did she have to say? JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: She did, Anderson.
She was flying from Iowa to here in Chicago and she was asked about these personal issues, if she is expecting them to come up in her campaign. She said no, I'm going to run my campaign as I see fit. Donald Trump can talk about whatever he wants to talk about.
But she said she does not feel the need to defend against her husband's impeachment or anything else in their personal lives. She was asked the questions three times by several reporters and she simply said she's not going talk about it. She's going focus on the issues of the campaign.
But behind the scenes, her campaign advisors are saying it would be a huge mistake for Donald Trump to bring this up because they believe that women, of course, the pivotal voters here would certainly swing to her if he would do that.
COOPER: We've seen her kind of -- seeming to have, I guess, a certain amount of confidence, at least publicly since the debate and even kind of making jokes publicly. I understand there was some more of that today.
ZELENY: There was indeed. There's been a lot of talk about third party candidates like Gary Johnson unable to name his favorite world leader. She was asked that by a reporter and, of course, the former secretary state buzz was not going to be stumped by the question. Take a look at how she answered.
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REPORTER: Who is your favorite world leader?
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Oh, let me think. No.
(LAUGHTER)
CLINTON: Look, I like a lot of the world leaders. One of my favorites is Angela Merkel because I think she's been an extraordinary strong leader during difficult times in Europe.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ZELENY: So perhaps not surprisingly, as she picked Angela Merkel there.
But what isn't a laughing matter inside her campaign, Anderson, is Gary Johnson overall, the libertarian candidate.
[20:05:03] He's drawing support from her particularly among millennials. So, she was laughing there on the campaign plane, but overall, they know he's something that her campaign has too deal with.
COOPER: Yes, one of the reasons she was out on the trail with Bernie Sanders yesterday, trying to reach out to millennials.
ZELENY: Right. COOPER: Jeff Zeleny, thanks.
A lot to talk about with the panel. Joining me tonight, Clinton supporter and national moveon.org spokesperson, Karine Jean-Pierre, Clinton supporter and former New York City council speaker, Christine Quinn, "New York Times" presidential campaign correspondent and CNN political analyst, Maggie Haberman. Trump supporters Kayleigh McEnany and Andre Bauer, former lieutenant governor of South Carolina.
You know, Maggie, it is pretty remarkable Donald Trump -- first of all, that they sort of publicly put forward this idea of, well I was going to go after the Clintons on this thing but I saw Chelsea and I decided not. So, there's -- I don't know if it is strategy or him just talking about what's in his mind. But the idea that he says his marital history is very good and the question that Paul Steinhauser asked that he's not concerned at all about what the reaction the Clinton campaign might use against him.
MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I don't know if there's strategy in that remark. I think Trump as we know in interviews tends to say what he has to say to sort of get through the moment. He's doing what we saw throughout the primary, which was, he'll say, I'm not going talk about, you know, XYZ topic, and then by doing that, it gets injected into the bloodstream. The topic was part of talking points out that the campaign out, as CNN reported yesterday.
So that is talking about it, even if you are not doing it on stage with her. I was struck by the number of things after the debate ended at he said he wished she would have talked about or he would have talked about. It wasn't just this. So, it's a way for him to keep the focus going, keep the conversation going.
Ultimately, I think some of this is about changing the topic for Trump because he has been very much -- I mean, this is the Clinton's campaign point but there seems to be truth to it. He's been struggling to get past what he said both in the debate and after the debate about Alicia Machado, and those comments about her weight and about whether it was proper to talk about her weight are not appealing to a lot of female voters. Trump is facing an historic gender gap and that's a real issue.
But what's not clear is how talking about it the way he is talking about this is going to help to close that.
COOPER: Kayleigh, does it concern you at all, that as Donald Trump sees the debate, and whether he believes this or he's just saying this because he's a good salesman and wants to put this face forward, that he didn't take any of Clinton's bait during the debate. Do you believe that and do you believe he actually believes it?
KAYLEIGH MCENANY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Look, I think he's pushing back on the media narrative and Clinton narrative that she won the debate but I do think he had a very good debate. That being said, there are things that didn't come up that he didn't bring up that he should have brought up. Why didn't we hear about the Clinton Foundation? Why didn't we hear about Benghazi? Why were only ten words devoted to Hillary's e-mails?
He needs to learn to bring that up even when it is not brought up by the moderators. I think Chris Christie, there's a report that he might be taking over some of the debate prep, and I think that is a very good choice, and I do think Donald Trump will make extraordinary changes but minor tweaks that will bring up those issues.
COOPER: But it wasn't just the media narrative he didn't do well at the debate. Polls show -- legitimate polls, not online polls which are meaningless, which is what Donald Trump keeps pinning his fortunes on, polls show overwhelmingly Hillary Clinton did much better, and he definitely took the bait multiple times.
She brought up inconsequential things in a presidential race. Your dad gave you $14 million to get your started in business. He wasted valuable time talking about that. Things Clinton bring up, he would end up spinning his wheels on, no?
MCENANY: He did spent a lot of time on defense, he didn't take the offense.
COOPER: Exactly right.
I think you make the point, he could have pivoted to some of these issues that the moderator didn't bring up, which is debating 101, and I guess the question of rehearsal and practice and familiarity with doing this, it's not an easy thing to do, but he could have practiced it and figured it out.
CHRISTINE QUINN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: And it goes to seriousness in my opinion and whether you are taking being a presidential nominee of a major party, the Republican Party, seriously. Are you taking the job seriously?
COOPER: As a Clinton support do you see him upping his game and does that concern you? Or do you think he's not capable of that?
QUINN: Well, look, I think as a Clinton supporter, we're going to play for every debate as aggressively as the secretary prepared for the first one, and probably more moving forward. You can't control what Donald Trump is going to do. We have to the make sure and she's going to be just as we saw in the first debate incredibly, incredibly prepared.
And she is somebody, she's almost the most prepared in the room, period. But the point really here isn't about her. It is that Donald Trump kind of gleefully told America not only was he not going to be the most prepared. He was going to purposefully be the least prepared. You don't get good grades from that in school and you didn't good grades from that on the debate stage.
KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: Just to add to what Chris just said, look, he did this throughout the primary, right? He did two things. He claimed victory and then secondly he would complain that the debate was rigged. He did over and over and over again. And, of course, he did it this time because he was unprepared. [20:10:01] He showed the American people that I don't even care enough
about this job interview that I'm doing that I'm not going to prepare.
And so, what she did was, she showed that, you know what? I'm ready --
MCENANY: I do think that's unfair, because here Donald Trump has spent more days on the campaign trail than Hillary Clinton --
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MCENANY: Yes, he prioritized and I'm glad that he made that choice. He prioritized meeting voters that is a very good but he needs to weave in the stories when Clinton says I spent all my time preparing in my house in Chappaqua behind the podium, well, I was on the road meeting voters --
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COOPER: But wait minute, you really don't wish that in the most important in the history of the world that's been viewed by more people than any debate in the history of the world that he hadn't take a couple of days from having a rally with 10,000 people here and there in order to address more properly 80-some odd million people?
MCENANY: I think he should have brought his debate prep onto the plane. I'm very glad he went around to the state. But he should have brought onto the plane.
COOPER: Andre, would you like to see him whether it's, you know, schedule a few less rallies in the coming week and a half or bring the debate prep on the plane? Would you like to see him prep more for this debate?
ANDRE BAUER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: There's a couple of things I'd like to see his facial suppression expressions be a little more upbeat. I'd like him to go on the offense more against her. I like for the way he actually even positions himself.
But more than anything, I don't want to lose his authenticity. I want to him to be a business. We can look at all the polls we want. There's about five battleground states where this matters, and he needs blue collar workers to get out in droves.
And so, he comes out as a businessman, that is where people like him. So he doesn't have to be as schooled as she is. She's got thirty years as being a trial lawyer, at least a lawyer and a politician. And she's going to come off more scripted and better and probably there's not a whole lot of people in the country that could go toe to toe with her like that.
And what he needs to be is authentic, and use his business and what he's learned in business and how that will help American people through the economy, through opportunities, through reigning in crime, through solving world problems. COOPER: But it's interesting. Some of the things that Andre is
bringing up are things which if you prepped a little more, even if you had a mock debate, you can -- you know, you can be authentic but not scowling or drinking so water or whatever it may be.
QUINN: But there are also things she very skillfully, Hillary, pointed out, how he's actually a bad business person. She talked so powerfully about her father and the drapery and fabric he made and drew the parallel between somebody like her dead who worked so hard to create a middle class life and the small businesses that Donald Trump has repeatedly stiffed. So the story of him as the businessman is not all rosy either.
COOPER: Maggie?
HABERMAN: The thing is and I think Kayleigh got to an important point, which is that you do have to, in a general election debate in particular, it's not a TV interview, which is how Trump treated the primary debates. You have to come in with a strategy and what you actually want to achieve. Not just how aim going to combat her attacks. But actually what are you hoping debate? And Trump seemed to go into it really not clear about what exactly he wanted to get out --
COOPER: Although he was forceful and strong early on. And made some very strong remarks against Secretary Clinton in terms of that 30 years -- you have been doing this for 30 years kind of stuff. But it did seem to really running out of gas or not know enough pivots or got distracted.
HABERMAN: I think he also had a problem and everyone who's worked for him at some point or another will say this, whether they would say it publicly or not is a different issue. But he has trouble not chasing rabbits down a hole. He -- and Clinton went in with I'm going to do things to get under his skin, because I believe he will react --
COOPER: She had clearly studied what would get under his skin, from past debates or interviews, and used each one effectively.
HABERMAN: To be fair in terms of the Trump campaign prep and I also Chris Christie is going to be more of a role although given what happened in New Jersey today with this accident, I don't know what his time is going to be like. But they did prep for sort of, there are certain facial cue she'll do or things she might do and lines that could get under his skin to be as a defense. They had to change the form of prep repeatedly.
They did spend many hours. But Trump did not want to do what basically every other nominee in recent history has done which is do mock debates, do a podium debate. They adhered to his comfort zone and that is where you get into a problem.
COOPER: And Chris Christie told CNN earlier today he's not been approached about this yet. We'll see what happens.
I want to thank everybody. We'll talk more ahead. Just ahead also, breaking news on two fronts. Donald Trump speaking out tonight about his marital history. Why he isn't worried about counterattacks if he decides to bring up Bill Clinton's sex scandal at the next debate.
Plus, a terrifying scene after a commuter train slammed into a major transit station in New Jersey killing one woman on the platform and injuring more than a hundred others.
The latest on it, ahead.
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[20:18:30] COOPER: Breaking news tonight, Donald Trump speaking out about widely reported infidelities, telling a reporter that his own marital history is, quote, "very good", refusing to roll out bringing up Bill Clinton's sex scandals at the next debate. Here's what he said at the debate.
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TRUMP: I was going to say something extremely rough to Hillary, to her family and I said to myself I can't do it. I just can't do it. It's inappropriate.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: It's a double edged sword for Trump. He's basically made his own marital history fair game, opening the door to accusations of hypocrisy. So what are the facts about Donald Trump's past?
Here is Sunlen Serfaty.
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SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump first tied the knot in 1997 to former model Ivana Belakova. They started a family, had these three kids, Donald Jr., Ivana and Eric. But their relationship became tabloid fodder after allegations that Trump was cheating with an actress in her 20s, Marla Maples.
CINDY ADAMS, TRUMP'S FRIEND: His relationship with Marla started when he was still married happily to Ivana. That's when the relationship started.
SERFATY: That love triangle leading to some uncomfortable moments for the still married couple, run-ins between Ivana and Marla and awkward denials of a budding relationship while one was coming to and end.
REPORTER: Are you two back together?
MARLA MAPLES, ACTRESS: Well, we are right now. Well, we're just going to try to keep that quiet for a bit. We're here for a football game.
[20:20:00] TRUMP: We're great friends. SERFATY: Trump's 15-year marriage to Ivana ended in a dramatic and
high profile divorce with a $14 million settlement for his former wife.
HOWARD STERN: He was married to Ivana. All right. Like a lot of guys, he fell out of love. True?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: True.
SERFATY: Depositions in that divorce revealed Ivana made claims about marital rape, stemming for an incident between them in 1989, allegations which Trump has denied, and Ivana has softened, saying she did not want her charge of marital rape to be exhibited in a literal or criminal sense.
JAY GOLDBERG, TRUMP'S DIVORCE LAWYER: To me, I equated it with World War III. It was on front page, back page, inside cover, inside stories.
SERFATY: Despite all the attentions surrounding the break up of the marriage, Trump boasted about his life despite it.
TRUMP: My life was so great in so many ways. Business was so great. And the -- even the concept -- I mean, beautiful girlfriend, beautiful wife, beautiful everything. I mean, life was just a bowl of cherries.
SERFATY: And in 1993 after his divorce was finalized, Trump marrying Marla Maples at the Plaza Hotel in New York City. Their daughter Tiffany had been born two months before.
Details of their prenup revealing Trump had his lawyer include a sunset agreement, a provision that states if they were married for a certain amount of time Marla would get a fixed amount of money.
TRUMP: Not so bad. Someone gets married. It doesn't work out. You get a million bucks, I mean, I think a million dollars is a lot of money.
SERFATY: That marriage short lived. They divorced after six years.
After returning to bachelorhood, Donald Trump's own words paint a picture of a playboy.
STERN: Why do people think it's egotistical of you to say you could have gotten Lady Di? You could have gotten her, right? You could have nailed her.
TRUMP: I think I could have.
SERFATY: He went on to marry his third and current wife, model Melania Knavs in 2005. They had Trump's fifth child, Baron, one year later.
It is by all accounts a happy marriage, but it's all that came before that might now be fair game.
Sunlen Serfaty, CNN, Washington.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
COOPER: We're back with Christine Quinn, Kayleigh McEnany and Maggie Haberman. Also joining the conversation is Ana Navarro.
Kayleigh, does it worry you that if Donald Trump brings up Bill Clinton's marital infidelities and sex scandals that then Donald Trump's past is brought up as well?
MCENANY: Yes, because I think that it turns into a battle over marriages and pasts from the ninths and I don't think that serve either candidate to bring new voters onboard. That being said, I think it's effective for people like Kellyanne Conway to go on "The View" and bring up Hillary Clinton's past and allegedly bullying some of these women. So, I think the surrogates doing it is one thing, but I don't think the candidate should do it.
COOPER: Christine, is it fair game?
QUINN: I mean, I just think it is an inappropriate conversation for either side. I wouldn't want Donald Trump to do it. I wouldn't want the Clinton campaign to do it either. These are things about people's past marriages and honestly, Donald Trump is in no position to be throwing stones at other people.
And why don't we try finally in the final days to keep this election about the issues, about the candidates and not have -- and to say it is not appropriate for Mr. Trump to say it but it is okay for the surrogates to say it is such a strategic splitting of hairs, it goes against the idea of having decorum and dignity in a race for the most important office in the world. And let's not talk about their marriages and the issues that happen. Let's talk about the issues that the Trump campaign says over and over it wants to talk about.
COOPER: Should the Trump surrogates then be fair game to be questioned about Trump's marital history?
MCENANY: Well, I don't think this is about -- I agree. Let's not talk about marriages but my issue when Hillary Clinton sends out a tweet, has a section on her website saying sexual assault victims deserve to be heard and believe, but yet the "New York Times" reports she's called some of these women floozy, bimbo, stalker.
You know, these are not appropriate words to be calling people who have this very serious allegation. So, when she opens that issue, then we have to look at how she's treated that issue in her personal life.
QUINN: I think it is very clear that Hillary Clinton's history, her life's history about working -- and we've had this conversation before, where you and the Trump campaign throw these attacks at Secretary Clinton. Probably no one in the world has done more to help survivors of rape and sexual assault and female mutilation and --
(CROSSTALK) QUINN: So, let's not go there --
MCENANY: Except in 1992, putting private investigators in any woman who challenged --
(CROSSTALK)
QUINN: Kayleigh, it is all what the Trump campaign does quite honestly. They say as you mentioned before, Anderson, I'm not going that. But then they find this back door around the way to do it and think they are tricking Americans and they're not.
It's just not dignified.
COOPER: A lot of folks, even Republican strategists, who worry that bringing this up could backfire on Trump, that it would basically play into Clinton's case that he's a bully, that he degrades and humiliates women. If it went there, how do you think it would play out?
[20:25:00] ANA NAVARRO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: I think we are seeing how it is playing out and I think it is playing out incredibly negatively for him. He already has a practically 20-point gap with women, one of the largest in history and he continues digging that hole for himself.
Let's look at what happened in the last seven days. First, they announce they are inviting Gennifer Flowers, one of Bill Clinton's former mistresses to the debate, to sit in the front row. And then during the debate, he goes after Rosie O'Donnell again.
What are you doing? You are a presidential candidate. You are the Republican nominee. Why are you punching down?
Go punch at Putin. Go punch at Kim Jong-un. What are you doing going after Rosie O'Donnell? What are you doing trashing Alicia Machado, the former Miss Universe?
So, I think the way he's reacted to charges on sexism have reminds us after he's stayed three or four weeks to script, to the teleprompter and had not been horrifically offensive, he's now reminded us in the last six, five days why he's so unfit to be president, because he does not have the character needed to be presidential.
COOPER: Maggie, I mean, to the point she raised about trying to appeal to women voters which is important for Donald Trump. I mean, he does have a real deficit compared to Hillary Clinton on appeal to women voters.
HABERMAN: Right. I mean, this is why the Machado comments resonated. This is why the fact that Trump kept talking about them. Newt Gingrich kept talking about them. One of his top advisors, was problematic for him.
He's struggled throughout the campaign to move towards something that would be a productive form of outrage on this and other areas, including to black voters, including to Hispanic voters. This is going to end up I think being another week wasted when really the conversation is, yes, it is being injected to the bloodstream because there is the will he do this when he gets to the is it stage.
But at the end of the day, voters are hearing this about the Clintons but you're also hearing from Republicans saying -- a lot of them saying, we don't want to talk about the past and we should just move forward. And elections are always about the future.
So, I just think -- for Trump's case, it's going to be very hard to get elected if he doesn't change that number, the gender gap and I don't know that this was a week that went towards doing it.
QUINN: He seems committed to not changing the gender gap. I mean, what he did at the debate, how he doubled down on the former Miss Universe the day after on FOX. It is mindboggling why any person nonetheless someone trying to win woman voters would be so rude and disrespectful and today more alleged reports of lawsuits alleging he wanted to have women fired because he found them not attractive enough to be hosts.
MCENANY: First of all, I will get into that later. And there's a whole lot of information.
(CROSSTALK)
MCENANY: But CNN -- the latest CNN poll shows him winning by 17 percent among married women. And the one area where bringing up the allegations from the nineties are very important is with millennial females. I've seen it firsthand on these college campuses. They care deeply about sexual assault. I've had women come up to me saying, I didn't realize that Mrs. Clinton did, hired private investigators to go after any women who challenged her husband. And that's confirmed in a deposition. You can go read all about. These young women --
HABERMAN: That's not what Trump is saying --
(CROSSTALK)
HABERMAN: What you just got to I think is actually the issue that something is happening within the Trump campaign to some extent is that there are advisors who don't want to talk about this at all. There are some advisors who want him to talk about it and there are advisers who want him to talk about this in a different way than he is and the way that you're talking about it.
And that's not what he's doing it all. The way he's talking about is a way that even some of his supporters say is not productive. So, that's just --
QUINN: Because he's talking about it I believe in the way we've seen time and again, he actually thinks about women. That if we're not tens in his book, we're not worth --
(CROSSTALK)
COOPER: Ana? NAVARRO: The problem is if we're going from -- that instead of
talking about substantive issues, this has turned into a reality show. It has turned into one of those horrible daytime shows you just want to cringe because you see people slugging it out with each other.
And I think that Trump has lost sight of the fact that the average American woman in America is a size 12. They look a lot more like me than they look like Melania Trump. And when he's calling people fat pig, when he's fat shaming people, he's fat shaming a majority of Americans it.
It makes no sense for him to talk about the 400-pound hacker. And let me point out that I just think when you have a Donald Trump or a Newt Gingrich fat-shaming people in public, I don't know, man -- but I think you got to have a minimum level of fitness yourself if you are going to go out and have the gall to go out and fat-shame anybody.
QUINN: And actually, this issue of fat-shaming that Ana raises, it's a very serious issue. I know some will laugh it off, but the issues of eating disorders and I've talked about my own struggles in that area in the past. They're not a joke.
[20:30:02] We have enormous problems in this country with young people, with anorexia and bulimia -- that Donald Trump thinks he can just throw that out there, that people are fat, overweight, not pretty and must have to have a certain jobs. That's the kind of things that eats away young people boys and girls souls and it's really hurtful and people listen, children take in what presidential nominee is and people in power say and he's reckless and that recklessness can be harmful.
COOPER: It is -- I mean it is regardless of what why you think you should bring up Bill Clinton's scandals in the past. I mean it is incredible that at this stage of a presidential race that this is just -- that a candidate for a major party is talking about women's weight.
I mean -- when you just -- when you kind of -- after a while it all seems so normal that this is what we're talking about but at a certain point, like you just step back and say, "Wait a minute, we're six a weeks away from someone becoming president and a legitimate candidate is discussing this."
MCENANY: But in large part because of the Hillary Clinton put this out there. It was not true. I wish there was a fact checker at the debate, there was unsubstantiated allegations that he used those terms for the former Miss Universe first of all.
I agree with you, he should not have mentioned the weight on Fox & Friends, they gave the story line, that's why we're still talking about it tonight, but he never called her fat. That's been something that's been widely said that was not true.
COOPER: But we don't it's true or not, I mean ...
MCENANY: There's no proof, we called her this ...
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NAVARRO: ... eating machine. Look, if this was all documented at the time. This was ...
HABERMAN: That's your saying.
NAVARRO: ... about with the Hispanic community. The Hispanic community is very familiar with Alicia Machado. She was, you know, and we remember when this happened. We remember when she was made to work out in public like as if she was a guinea pig, you know, working out in public. We remember her calling ...
COOPER: While he was talking about her while her working out in the background.
NAVARRO: We remember him calling her an eating machine.
(CROSSTALK)
NAVARRO: This is not allegations, this was widely covered at the time.
QUINN: But Kayleigh candid whether he did ...
COOPER: Let her respond.
QUINN: Sorry, apology.
MCENANY: He fought for her to retain her title. The Miss Universe board wanted to take it away. I assume something in her contract said you have to maintain your appearances, many media contracts have provisions like that, he wanted, he fought for her to retain her title and and they wanted to celebrate working out in physical way and they did ...
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COOPER: Come on, it wasn't exact -- that was not a celebration of her working out physical, if it was. He would have worn some sweat suits and worked out with her. What he did he was standing there luring at her or watching her work out in very strange cut away shots and then giving interviews to like the access Hollywood, to the world saying, "This one over here likes to eat."
MCENANY: She hugged him, she was smiling, she was very happy and 20 years later she ...
QUINN: How did you know how feel it?
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COOPER: Ana go ahead.
NAVARRO: Let me just say -- let me just tell you something. Let me just say this, hell knows no fury like a Latina who's been called fat. And what he should have done he the day after the debate, is he should have admitted that that was the wrong thing to do and he should have moved on. He's got a gap with women. He's got a gap with Hispanics. If you think trying to trash this woman 20 years later trying to link her with all sorts of things, is going to help him any? It doesn't. Because we all remember when she was exhibited in workout clothes and being told that she was an eating machine. It is not helpful.
MCENANY: Here is the problem ...
COOPER: Let Kayleigh respond, and we're going to go.
MCENANY: ... airwaves and set everyone who signed up for Miss Universe knows that physical fitness is a part of it. Her interactions with Donald Trump were nothing but pleasant. We had many other Miss America come on and say, look he help financially when I needed help, we had Ms. Tara Conner say, look when I was about to lose my title he fought for me to keep and it gave me a second chance. There is one person out there saying this and it happens to be the one that w discredited on very airwaves Tuesday when so that ...
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NAVARRO: There's a lot of women out there who are going to identify. There's a lot of women out there who are going to identify with a woman who eats under stress. Not everybody is a size double zero. A lot of us have a number, a digit in front of the zero. And a lot of us can identify with what it is to be in yo-yo weight gain and losses and have under the pressure.
And so it is not helpful for the guy who wants to be the president of United States of America including the president of overweight people like he is to be bringing this up and ...
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QUINN: Donald Trump into the Mother Theresa of women. Whether he did or didn't do anything of those nice things, I don't know. But he has said this woman was an eating machine. It wasn't physical fitness. He didn't check to see if she could do a four minute mile. He need her exercise in front of the press, said she couldn't stop eating, she gained a lot of weight, it was a big a problem ...
MCENANY: And fought here just to retain her title.
QUINN: ... and watched her. Whether you do one good thing which I don't even know it's true, you will led it doesn't take away that scene ...
COOPER: Yeah.
QUINN: ... which is reprehensible.
COOPER: That's the creepy cut away by the way.
QUINN: Exactly.
COOPER: All right, thank you everyone. Up next what we know about the allegations Trump and some of his surrogates are leveling and so like Hillary Clinton in regards to her marriage.
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[20:38:36] COOPER: Well the Trump campaign is urging Trump surrogates on camera and elsewhere to talk at length at President Clinton's infidelities and the president Clinton's and Secretary Clinton's treatment of the women who were involved. So tonight we want to report what we actually know.
Here again is Jeff Zeleny.
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JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: They are names from the past that could become knew again. Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, Gennifer Flowers and more.
DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you very much.
ZELENY: Donald Trump is urging his supporters his supporters to revive them to fight back against suggestions he's treated women poorly.
TRUMP: The Clintons are the sordid past. We will be the very bright and clean future.
ZELENY: Campaign talking point sent to allies obtained by CNN say, "Mr. Trump has never treated women the way Hillary Clinton and her husband did when they actively worked to destroy Bill Clinton's accusers."
Tonight advisors to Hillary Clinton call it a mistake that will backfire and she brushed aside questions about it.
HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He can say whatever he want to say as we well know, we have seen it in real time over the last many months. And I'm going to keep running my campaign.
ZELENY: Yet her campaign is hardly eager to revisit those old comments.
CLINTON: I'm not sitting here some little woman standing by my man like Tammy Wynette.
ZELENY: Defending her husband and blaming his accuser. Like in this 1992 interview when she sharply dismissed Gennifer Flowers.
[20:39:57] CLINTON: If somebody is willing to pay you 130 or $170,000 to say something and you get your 50 minutes of fame and get picture on the front page of every newspaper and you are some failed cabaret singer who doesn't have a resume to fall back on it.
ZELENY: And 6 years later as the Lewinsky scandal was brewing, Clinton's infamous defends with those four words that still dug her.
CLINTON: The great story here for anybody willing to find and it write about it and explain it is this vast right wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president.
ZELENY: The affair of course was true. The fast right wing conspiracy became a punch line for Clinton's critics.
TIM RUSSERT, JOURNALIST: Would you now apologize for branding people as part of a vast right wing conspiracy?
CLINTON: Well, you know, Tim, that was a very -- a very painful time for me. For family. And four for our country. It is something they regret deeply that anyone had to go through. Obviously I didn't mislead anyone, I didn't know the truth and there is a great deal of pain associated with that and my husband has certainly acknowledged that and made it clear that he did mislead the country, as well as his family.
ZELENY: It's a risky gamble for Trump. Many Republicans are urging him to leave the Clinton sex scandals in the past. She's already leading women by a wide margin. Yet the questions do still follow her, like at this campaign event last year in New Hampshire.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Secretary Clinton, you recently came out to say that all rape victims should be believed. But you would you say that about Juanita Brodderick, Kathleen Willey and/ or Paula Jones? Should we believed them as well?
CLINTON: Well I would say that everybody should be believed at first until they are disbelieved pace based on evidence.
ZELENY: As she prepares for her second debate, she's ready for Trump or a voter to raise these questions no to cast blame for her husband's behavior but for her reaction to it.
Jeff Zeleny, CNN, Chicago.
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COOPER: Coming up, there's more breaking news. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson's running mate defends his latest cringe moment.
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[20:46:08] COOPER: It's breaking news tonight. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson's running mate is defending him after another awkward TV moment. You may remember a few weeks ago Johnson asked what's Aleppo during a conversation about Syria. Now here's what happened at an MSNBC Town hall last night.
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CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC ANCHOR: Who is your favorite foreign leader?
GARY JOHNSON, (L) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Who's my favorite ...
MATTHEWS: Any -- Just name anywhere in the country, any of the continents, any country, name one foreign leader that you respect and look up to. Anybody.
WILLIAM WELD, (L) VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDTE: I'm with Shmon Peres.
MATTHEWS: No, no -- I'm talking about living , go ahead. You got to do this. Anywhere. Any continent. Canada, Mexico, Europe. Over there. Asia, South America, Africa. Name a foreign leader that you respect.
JOHNSON: I guess I'm Aleppo moment in the former president of Mexico ...
MATTHEWS: But I'm giving you the whole world.
JOHNSON: I know.
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COOPER: Well Randi Kaye asked Libertarian vice presidential candidate Bill Weld about this today.
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WELD: Pop quizzes on television are obviously not his forte. But depth of analysis and surprising lines of analysis are his forte. I think he just needs time to expound what he's thinking.
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So you don't think he didn't know the answer. He just doesn't do well in that pop quiz format.
WELD: Right. That's an understatement.
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COOPER: Well despite a few cringe worthy moments libertarians take as having impact on the race especially with millennials. Randi Kaye tonight looks at how.
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WELD: On November 9th we're going to wake up to a world where Gary Johnson is president of the United States.
KAYE: Former Massachusetts Bill Weld governor trying to round up votes for millennials at Temple University in Philadelphia. Votes that poll show might otherwise go to Hillary Clinton more than Donald Trump.
KAYE: Does it concern you though that your ticket tilt the election and hand him and Donald Trump the presidency?
WELD: That's, you know, that's a conjecture, that's a hypothetical. And I don't worry about hypotheticals. KAYE: Hypotheticals perhaps, but recent polling from Bloomberg about millenials gives Hillary Clinton just a four point lead over Donald Trump in a four way race. In that same poll the Johnson/Weld ticket gets 11 percent of the vote.
KAYE: You know, you don't have any concern or any fear that that being in the race and staying in the race that we might see another, you know, Nader/Bush, Gore situation?
WELD: You mean am I going to renounce my candidacy because a bunch sent me e-mails and will leave me with phone messages saying I should announce my candidacy, now that's not how I operate.
KAYE: Weld considers Hillary Clinton a good friend, but when it comes to Donald Trump he hardly mixes words, calling him everything from a showman to delusional.
WELD: This with the truth, it's in the way of the one that troubles me the most. If you can't rely on the word of the president of the United States, then we are all in a lot of trouble.
KAYE: So what kind of president you think Donald Trump might be?
WELD: Oh I think he'd be reckless. He'd be impossible to predict. You know, he like a broken clock he'd be right twice a day but that's about it.
KAYE: Many of the millennials we spoke to at the rally are turned off by both Trump and Clinton and they don't believe their vote is essentially a vote for Donald Trump.
DAN RASKAY, TEMPLE UNIVERSITY FRESHMAN: I think that is completely inaccurate. It's a vote for Gary Johnson, I'm going to voting for someone who I believe?
KAYE: What do you not like about Hillary Clinton?
JAIMEE SAEMAN, MILLENNIAL VOTER: Well she's a liar. I think that's pretty well known. And her e-mail scam was really concerning.
KAYE: How do you feel about Donald Trump?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think he's a terrible candidate, probably one of the worst we've ever seen.
KAYE: In the coming weeks if it looks like a Trump victory is near, Bill Weld may have a big decision to make.
Could you set the record straight and tell me whether or not you would consider dropping out before the election, before Election Day, if it looks like your ticket could help hand Donald Trump a victory?
WELD: I think it's doubtful, it's a hypothetical. Let's see how the debates play out. You know, there's some water between here and there, and I've given my word to a lot of people including Gary Johnson that we're going to give this our best shot at running the table and taking the whole thing.
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[20:50:04] COOPER: And Randi joins me now from Philadelphia. You spoke to those millennials today. Did they tell you what they -- particularly like about Johnson/Weld?
KAYE: Millennials like change, Anderson, and they think that this ticket represents change. I talked to these young voters, they said that they like Gary Johnson and Bill Weld's views on immigration. They like the fact that they believe in a woman's right to choose. They like the fact that they want to end the drug war.
To them they look at this ticket and they see freedom. They want to get the third party out there. They want to see a third party candidate really matter, I guess you could say. And they don't care they tell me, many of them said that they don't care if Donald Trump wins, because they think he'll only be a one-term president. And their guy, hopefully a third party candidate in their view would be the next person to be in the Oval Office, Anderson.
So they're going to vote their conscious and hope their ticket wins.
COOPER: All right, Randi Kaye. Randi, thanks very much.
Up next, breaking news, one person killed and more than 100 injured when a train slammed into one of the busiest station in New York city area during rush hour. We have the details ahead.
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COOPER: More breaking news tonight. The NTSB is opening a investigation into a deadly train crash at one of the busiest transit hubs in the New York City area. The crash happened at the height of this morning's rush hour. The commuter train plowed into the Hoboken, New Jersey, terminal, killing one person and injuring more than100 others.
Jean Casarez joins us now from Hoboken. Are we learning anything about what might have caused this crash?
[20:55:10] JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The pivotal question, no, we're not. Now the National Transportation Safety Board says that tonight they wanted to retrieve the event recorder, which actually will tell them the speed of the train and the breaking. And it appears to be a very active scene over at the train station right now. But they say that actual investigators won't be able to get to the train until probably tomorrow afternoon, because when the train crashed into the terminal, the structural components plummeted. That made the roof or a canopy of the train terminal, as they call it, come down and it came down on top of the train.
And they say there's been water leakage, their concern of asbestos because of the age of the train terminal. So they have the investigate that and then contractors come in and pull that roof off the train, so only when it's safe will their investigators be able to go onboard, Anderson.
COOPER: All right, and we now know I understand the name of the woman killed today. What can you tell us about her?
CASAREZ: We do, she's 34 years old. Her name is Fabiola Bittar de Kroon. She worked recently for SAP, a software company in Brazil, only recently left them. And the mayor of Hoboken told CNN that her husband was actually out of state and he got the call about his wife and was on his way back to New Jersey. We also have learned, have found out the name of the train engineer, 48-year-old Thomas Gallagher. He has worked for the New Jersey transit for 29 years and so if you put the numbers together, he started with them at about 19 years of age, truly a lifelong career for New Jersey transit. He went to the hospital, was released, and we understand he is cooperating with investigators and any law enforcement, Anderson.
COOPER: All right, Jean, a lot to learn in the days ahead, thank you so much.
In the next hour of "360," a new interview with Donald Trump where he talks about, his quote "very good history in his marriages". You'll hear the rest in just a moment.
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