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Anti-Trump Protests For Third Night; WSJ: Trump Considers Keeping Parts of Obamacare; Anti-Trump Protests for Third Night; Protecting the President-Elect; Veterans on President-Elect Trump. Aired 8-9p ET
Aired November 11, 2016 - 20:00 ET
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[20:00:12] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Thank you very much for joining us as we end a week ha has changed American political history.
President-elect Trump is just getting started, announcing his transition team and sitting down for first interviews as president- elect.
And that title "president-elect" is not sitting well with many people around the country who for the third straight night have taken to the streets. You see them there, Miami, Atlanta. You are looking at aerial shots there in Atlanta, on the ground, in the right-hand of your screen. We'll keep our eyes throughout the next two hours on streets in a number of cities.
As we do, a centerpiece of Donald Trump's campaign, of course, was repealing Obamacare. Now in two interviews today, he says he is open to keeping parts of it.
Take a look at a clip just released from his interview with Leslie Stahl which will air on "60 Minutes" this Sunday.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
INTERVIEWER: Let me ask you about Obamacare, which you say you're going to repeal and replace. When you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with preconditions are still covered?
DONALD TRUMP (R), REPUBLIC-ELECT: Yes, because it happens to be one of the strongest assets.
INTERVIEWER: You're going to keep that?
TRUMP: Also with the children living with their parents for an extended period. We're going to --
INTERVIEWER: You're going to keep that?
TRUMP: -- very much try and keep that. It adds cost, but it's very much something we're going to try to keep.
INTERVIEWER: And there's going to be a period if you repeal it before you replace it when millions of people could lose -- TRUMP: No, we're going to do it simultaneously. It will be just
fine. That's what I do. I do a good job. I know how to do this stuff. We're going to repeal it and replace it. And we're not going to have like a two-day period and not going to have a two-year period where there's nothing. It will be repealed and replaced, and we'll know. And it will be great healthcare for much less money.
INTERVIEWER: Hillary called you. Tell us about that phone call.
TRUMP: So, Hillary called and it was a lovely call. It was a tough call for her. I mean, I can imagine. Tougher for her than it would have been for me and it would have been for me, it would have been very difficult.
She couldn't have been nicer. She just said, "Congratulations, Donald, well done." And I said, "I want to thank you very much, you were a great competitor." She's very strong and very smart.
INTERVIEWER: What about Bill Clinton? Did you talk to him?
TRUMP: He did. He called the next day.
INTERVIEWER: Really? What did he say?
TRUMP: He actually called last night.
INTERVIEWER: What did he say?
TRUMP: He couldn't have been more gracious. He said it was an amazing run. One of the most amazing he's ever seen.
INTERVIEWER: He said that.
TRUMP: He was very, very -- really very nice.
INTERVIEWER: You know, you said that you might call President Obama for advice. Would you think of calling President Clinton for advice?
TRUMP: Well, he's a very talented guy. Both of them. I mean, this is a very talented family. Certainly, I would certainly think about that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: In a moment, we're going to hear from "Wall Street Journal" reporter who also interviewed Trump today and asked if he regrets any of the rhetoric he used during the campaign.
First to Washington and Jim Acosta with more on Obamacare news and emerging details of Trump's transition team.
There was a shake up of the transition team today. Who's in and who's out?
JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Right. Well, it is interesting. The Vice President-elect Mike Pence, Anderson, is now going to be in charge of Donald Trump's transition team. He is the man in charge of that effort right now, besides Donald Trump. And he replaces New Jersey Governor Chris Christie who now, he's not out but he becomes vice-chairman of the transition team along with Mike Flynn, the lieutenant general who is out there on the stump for Donald Trump quite a bit, as well as Newt Gingrich, Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions, and Ben Carson and a few other names.
So, you know, it is an interesting development in that basically what happened was there was some infighting going on inside the transition team. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie was running into some interference from people inside the team who did not want to see never-Trumpers coming on board, those anti-Trump Republicans. Christie did want to open that up to other Republicans out there who opposed Donald Trump because, absolutely, they're going to have to bring a lot of Republicans to fill this government.
But, Anderson, also the Bridgegate scandal was a problem for Chris Christie. We talked to a number of Republican sources who said that this was just going to be a bridge too far, if you pardon the expression, for Christie to continue in this prominent role given the fact that that scandal is continuing.
COOPER: In terms of who is going to become chief of staff, who are the leading candidates right now? What's your sense? I mean, it seems Donald Trump prizes loyalty above almost everything, and I wonder how much loyalty of potential candidates is a factor in who gets what job?
ACOSTA: It absolutely matters, and loyalty means a lot to Donald Trump. Keep in mind, Reince Priebus, the RNC chair who is one of the two frontrunners along with Steven Bannon, the former head of Breitbart, who was the campaign chairman, you know, Reince Priebus, you know, he had a choice early on in the campaign, Anderson.
[20:05:05] He really could have severed ties with this candidate when, you know, we all remember the dark times that Donald Trump went through during that race, and he didn't. He stuck by Donald Trump and provided from all accounts from talking to a number of different sources good counsel. He was part of the effort to have Donald Trump stop tweeting so much during the later stages of the campaign. He is also popular in that inner circle that includes his family members like Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, his son-in-law, who is apparently going to be an influential part of this administration.
But don't forget Steven Bannon may also be an influential part, if not the chief of staff. Donald Trump when he brought Steve Bannon on board, it brought a lot of fears to the hearts of a lot of Republicans around the country, but Steve Bannon with sort of pugnacious kind of confrontational style convinced Donald Trump to do things a more conventional operative might not have done, which is convinced -- you know, he was part of the reason Donald Trump went to Mexico and met with the Mexican president over the summer.
And so, it is going to be interesting to see which of these two candidates get the job. It is sort of the considerations that he had between Mike Pence and Newt Gingrich for his running mate. In the end, he went with his head in picking Mike Pence over Newt Gingrich. He might do the same here.
COOPER: All right. Jim Acosta -- Jim, thanks very much. Trump also spoke about keeping parts of Obamacare in the interview as I said with "The Wall Street Journal." That interview included a question about whether he thought his rhetoric went too far on the campaign trail. Trump responded, "No, I won."
Joining me now is "Wall Street Journal" senior special writer, Monica Langley, who conducted that interview.
Let's talk about Obamacare. So, President Obama now says he's -- excuse me, President-elect Trump says he is open to possibly just amending parts of Obamacare.
MONICA LANGLEY, "WALL STREET JOURNAL" SENIOR SPECIAL WRITER: Right. You know the entire campaign, and especially the last two weeks when the government disclosed that the premiums were going to go up an average of 20 percent to 100 percent in some states, he said, we're going to repeal and replace Obamacare, drove that point home.
So, today, when I was in his office this morning, I asked him about his meeting with President Obama yesterday. Well, the president apparently is a really good salesman. Donald Trump is a great deal maker, the president sold him. He pleaded with him that, please do not repeal Obamacare. And Trump said to me, I'm going to take those suggestions and out of respect, I'm going to listen to him.
I said what in particular about Obamacare would he keep? And it is the provisions about the preexisting conditions, not letting insurers drop people over those, and letting the children stay on their parents' policies longer.
COOPER: Which he talked during the primaries about keeping the preexisting conditions.
LANGLEY: Right.
COOPER: But I don't think he talked about the --
LANGLEY: Exactly.
COOPER: -- older kids.
LANGLEY: And that was a point that the president made with him in the Oval Office yesterday. So, it's clear that he's rethinking his position. You know, we always wondered, would he start compromising a little bit, like a deal maker once he became president? I think this is the first indication that indeed he will.
COOPER: Well, it also raises questions about there are others who said about Donald Trump, is that he's very influenced by the last person who left the room. So, it is interesting he said this just after having President Obama kind of appeal on those two fronts. We'll see whether it actually stands the test of time.
You also asked about the protests we've been seen. Now, we're watching this third protest tonight in Atlanta.
LANGLEY: Exactly. Here is what he said. He said his rhetoric would be changing as it changed from the moment he came out and, you know, spoke to the country after the results came in. And he said, |I've been making much more tempered remarks," and he said, "I want a country that loves each other."
I said, "Really? OK. So that's great. And what are you going to do? Do you wish you hadn't done that, all of that divisive, negative campaigning?" "No, I won. I'm here."
COOPER: Right.
LANGLEY: So, yes.
COOPER: Certainly worked on the campaign trail.
LANGLEY: Exactly.
COOPER: And he didn't think he went too far at all on the trail?
LANGLEY: No way. No. He goes, "No, I won, I'm here."
COOPER: Did he mention whether he plans to prosecute Hillary Clinton?
LANGLEY: I asked him that. He kind of deflected it. He said, "I haven't really given it much thought. What is more important right now are jobs, healthcare, infrastructure." You know, he named a whole list of what are his top priorities, financial deregulation, tax reform, exactly.
COOPER: You interviewed Donald Trump -- you have done a number of crucial interviews with Donald Trump. We talked about them a lot on this broadcast. I remember you wrote about how he jots down thing on a piece of paper in a speech. I found his leadership style which you had written about, fascinating.
Do you notice a change in him? Because a lot of people talk about, obviously, running for president is one thing, but to actually get elected, suddenly, the weight of the office sometimes comes down square on to you. Did you notice any difference in Donald Trump?
LANGLEY: Not much.
COOPER: No?
LANGLEY: No. Here is the thing. I was in his office today, same way as he's been from a year and a half.
[20:10:02] You know who was there? Well, Rudy Giuliani wasn't with him at the very beginning, but you know who was there? Don Jr., his son. You know, the same assistant -- his one press secretary has been with him from the beginning. He's still a lot -- a one-man show.
Mike Pence did call in. He is going to be an integral part of this administration because Donald told me he's going to do the heavy lifting with Congress and he has a big agenda he wants to put through, and he said he's going to give him lots of policy issues, including healthcare because Indiana has a good healthcare law.
So --
COOPER: There are all of those questions. I think there were stories months ago that John Kasich had been offered a deal, that if he became vice president, he would have unprecedented --
LANGLEY: No, I don't think that really happened.
COOPER: You don't think it really happened?
LANGLEY: No, because you just said loyalty is one of the first things that Donald Trump looks at. He's not loyal. He was never going to be. I don't think it was a real thing.
COOPER: All right. Monica, stay with us.
I want to bring in the rest of the panel. Joining us tonight, Democratic strategist and host of the "Working Life" podcast, Jonathan Tasini, CNN political commentator and president and CEO of Win, Christine Quinn, CNN political analyst and "New York Times" presidential campaign correspondent, Maggie Haberman, who also interviewed Trump many times. CNN political commentator and former Reagan White House political director, Jeffrey Lord. CNN political commentator and former South Carolina Lieutenant Governor Andre Bauer.
You hear Monica's reporting, Maggie. I mean, there's no precedent for an incoming president to have such, in this case such a complicated business portfolio. I mean, there's a lot of moving parts here we don't even know the impact.
MAGGIE HABERMAN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: We don't know the impact of and I think he has not figured out exactly what it will look like, to be fair to him and to those around him. They did not think he was going to win and so it caught him by surprise. You can see it in terms of the abruptness in which the transition effort, which was something of a back water when Christie was running it over the past months, has suddenly kicked into a different high gear.
COOPER: Right. There are all reports that all on, Donald Trump, I mean, there was a transition team going on, but Donald Trump said, look, I don't want -- I'm not thinking about it.
HABERMAN: I'm superstitious, I don't want to talk about it, I don't want to think about it. There are well-reported and documented clashes between Chris Christie and Jared Kushner, who is Donald Trump's son-in-law. They do not have a great relationship for historical reasons. Jared Kushner is playing an enormously large role in what is going on with Donald Trump's burgeoning administration.
We don't know the answer to a lot of these questions. He said he would have his children run the business. He is at other times said it would be a blind trust. There's so much we don't know. What we do know is that the thing that
he said about Obamacare, about the piece of Obamacare that he likes, that he hadn't said before, is consistent honestly with the populist message that he ran on, which was preserving entitlements. You know, he is generally speaking over the course of his life he has been something of a big government guy.
I mean, he talks about it in specific terms, but certainly on problematic elements for domestic policy, that is consistent. But there's so much we don't know, including whether it will be just Steve Bannon or Reince Priebus. We have no idea who the chief of staff will be.
COOPER: And that will be -- that's a major, major decision because those two guys are very, very different -- come from different background.
HABERMAN: One other point I want to make. They come from different backgrounds, but Donald Trump had four different campaign management teams during the course of this campaign. Whoever the first chief of staff is may not be the last.
COOPER: I want to go to Jeffrey. Jeffrey, I want to play for some of the viewers some of the things Donald Trump said about Obamacare on the campaign trail, just as a reminder. Let's take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)
TRUMP: Real change begins with immediately repealing and replacing Obamacare.
We have a disaster called the big lie, Obamacare.
Obamacare has to be repealed and replaced.
I will ask Congress to convene a special session so we can repeal and replace.
We have to repeal Obamacare, and it can be replaced. And, and it can be replaced with something much better for everybody.
Obamacare has to be replaced.
(END VIDEO CLIPS)
COOPER: It seems, Jeffrey, I'm wondering how much of his supporters are OK with kind of the negotiator Donald Trump, that once he's now in power, you know, things are a deal. You referenced this of about. It does seem like we've done a number of interviews with people in the last couple of days who seemed -- there were some people were even saying, you know, the wall is not necessarily a physical wall and that would be fine with me. They believe in Donald Trump to make the best deal possible.
JEFFREY LORD, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Exactly. The important thing, I mean, Ronald Reagan was a deal maker. The important thing is the direction you are taking the country when you do the deal. If he were in essence expanding Obamacare, there would be a problem. But repeal and replace is exactly what people want, which is --
COOPER: Or amend.
LORD: Or amend, which is not to say that there aren't parts of it, as he is talking about, that appeal to a lot of people, conservatives included. But it is the process, the way we've gone about this with Obamacare that really has alienated a lot of people, not the mention resulting in all of these price increases.
[20:15:02] COOPER: Yes, we're going to have more with our panel. We're going to take a quick break.
A lot more to get to, a lot of developments tonight. We're also continuing to monitor the protest for the third straight night.
We'll have reaction from a lot of different angles, including a conversation with journalist Jorge Ramos, who's obviously very vocal in his opposition to Mr. Trump, and also, a Muslim woman who voted with Donald Trump and why she said she did that.
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COOPER: Donald Trump used his presidential campaign to tout obviously his business experience, and we're keeping an eye on the third straight night of protests against election of Donald Trump as president. Also today in two interviews, the president-elect seems to be not changing his position on Obamacare but at least sounding like he was open to keeping some parts of it, amending it he talked about, as well as possibly repealing and replacing. That notion seems to have come after he spoke with President Obama yesterday.
Back with the panel, start with Christine Quinn.
What do you make of him mentioning the idea of amending, and particularly these two ideas of the preexisting conditions, having those continue to be covered and also keeping people on their parents' insurance longer?
CHRISTINE QUINN, CLINTON SUPPORTER: Well, first I want to say, you know, I want to thank the president-elect for his tone on election night. I think he made a very important step forward with the tone he put out.
Now, you could take the things he said about this as good because they would be good for people, and maybe a hope that he really doesn't even want to, you know, writ large get rid of Obamacare because there was certainly a school of thought in the election that these really weren't his core beliefs.
[20:20:01] He was saying what he needed to, to get elected.
But that's very worrisome to over -- you don't want to be disrespectful of what he said because it is good, but you don't want to buy into it too much because we really don't know who the president-elect is in a policy sense. We don't know that. And what we do know is that the rhetoric of his campaign, whether he meant it to or not, has caused a great deal of fear in this country, and what we've seen on college campuses and other places is hate attacks and hate speech rocketing up since the election.
So, it's good, but I'm not going to buy too much into it because I'm very worried about the effect in other areas and in Obamacare.
COOPER: I don't know if you could say rocketing up. There have been a number of incidents, graffiti and things like that, but it is not as if there's wholesale bedlam on the streets of people being attacked.
QUINN: No, but on college campuses, I think where you have seen a spike, which I was speaking to specifically at his college campuses. We have seen it at University of Pennsylvania, at Columbia, we've seen it at NYU.
COOPER: Writing on the walls or --
JONATHAN TASINI, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Mostly creating fear.
QUINN: But putting signs up saying --
COOPER: I'm not condoning, but I don't want to give a false impression.
TASINI: Some of it is subtle, it is not necessarily covered by media, but there's tremendous fear out there. I went to a restaurant in my neighborhood and said my cook's eight-year-old son came to him, he is an undocumented immigrant, and crying and said, daddy, are they going to send you away? Am I never going to have you?
I think that fear is coursing through America. It is part of the reason you see these protests in the streets. People, when you said talked about Donald Trump saying he'll change his rhetoric, you know, it is not Just this was campaign rhetoric, when you are attacking the other side. It was bigotry, racism, hatred, misogyny.
QUINN: Repeatedly.
TASINI: Repeatedly. The reason people are out in the streets, and I was out in the streets with people and I commend them for being in the streets, the reason is people are in fear.
COOPER: Andre, do you think the same people that would be commending it if it was reversed and Hillary Clinton was elected president and these were anti-Hillary Clinton people in the streets?
ANDRE BAUER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Right off the bat, I'd say let it go, let it go.
TASINI: What it let go?
QUINN: Let go what?
BAUER: If Hillary had been elected president I would sit here with the most optimistic attitude, at least until she got in office and made some decisions, and not immediately criticize the guy. Let's come together as a country.
I think what you are seeing the emergence of the next great president. Look, he met with the president of the United States. Both of them were humble with one another, both had very good speeches trying to unite this country together. And he's listening to other people. He's got ideas, he knows there's problems, I want to give you an example.
I have an employee whose insurance company has billed $350 for a boot. He went on Amazon, the exact same boot, same company was $59 on Amazon. There are problems that are easy for businesspeople to address. He will do that. He knows we need to help people with preexisting conditions.
LORD: I just want to say about the protesters, nobody is better at deconstructing the American left than Rush Limbaugh. And on June 30th of this year, Rush said if Donald Trump wins the presidency these people will be in the streets the next day protesting it.
TASINI: And that's fantastic.
LORD: Well, the point is here they are, and this was way back in June he said this, and that's because we understand that this is what the American left is all about.
TASINI: Jeff, I want to say something different, and to Andre. When Ronald Reagan was elected and when the two Bushes, George W. Bush and George Bush Sr., I opposed their policies from A to Z, but there weren't mass protests in the street because of that. Donald Trump is different. He is --
LORD: A threat.
TASINI: No, excuse me. The kind of language he used, the racist language, the bigoted language, the misogyny, the attacks on people was way beyond any other candidate in office.
COOPER: Let me ask you, in terms of what you have heard over the three days from President-elect Donald Trump, has he said all of the right things?
QUINN: Let me say --
TASINI: On healthcare --
QUINN: -- first I hope if Hillary had won and there were anti-Hillary protesters, I would say the same thing. As long as it is nonviolent, they have the right to exercise their First Amendment rights, and I applaud people for being active.
I again credit the president-elect for setting the right dignified tone on election night. He could have poured gasoline on something, he didn't. And I think that two things he said about Obamacare are good from my perspective, but I don't want to -- TASINI: But he doesn't know -- he doesn't understand Obamacare.
QUINN: I can't buy too much into it because I have concerns.
COOPER: Monica, just very briefly, did he talk at all today about Twitter, his use of twitter? Is that going to continue? Do you have a sense of that? Maggie, do you have any sense of that?
HABERMAN: Well, you saw it last night.
COOPER: We saw last night he criticized the media saying they were fomenting these protesters, and then walked that back.
LANGLEY: On his desk today, his phone was gone.
COOPER: All right.
TASINI: Well, hiding on his pillow.
HABERMAN: That was today.
QUINN: That's a blessing for everybody.
HABERMAN: That was today. Last night, he had four tweets. We wrote about this in a piece that he was still angry about on election night, I would like to say, when he was a few minutes away from becoming the next president of the United States, he was still focused on a story the "New York Times" had done two years earlier.
[20:25:07] And he was angry saying his Twitter use had been restricted.
Last night, he clearly got it back because he did a tweet that was magnanimous about meeting with the president, and then moments later, a tweet about saying that these were paid actors in the streets, protesting, conspiring with the media. That sounded familiar. So --
TASINI: Are they going to take away the nuclear codes if he misbehaves?
(CROSSTALK)
COOPER: Well, we're going to end it there before we devolve into this.
A lot more tonight, including Univision anchor Jorge Ramos who clashed with Trump, getting kicked out of one of his press conferences. We will hear his thoughts on a Trump presidency. The Latino vote, what happened with the Latino vote. We'll talk to him.
And also Muslim-American who has supported Donald Trump and actually voted for Donald Trump. We'll talk to her about her thoughts. We'll be right back.
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COOPER: Well, for the third night in a row, there are people demonstrating in the streets, protesting election of Donald Trump.
I want to check in with our Gary Tuchman in Atlanta.
Gary, where are you, what is the crowd like? What's been happening?
[20:30:00] GARRY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, right in the heart of Downtown Atlanta. Behind me are hundreds of protesters, probably more than a thousand. And these people are intensely angry.
If you would have gone to a Trump rally over the last couple of weeks and come here, it would have been like you were on two different planets. The people are very angry at the results of the election.
But right on the ramp of Interstate 85 and 75, I want to show you back here. You see the police behind me. You see the squad cars. The protesters want to ride up those squad cars and police warned them, "Do not pass us by".
Just now, the leader of this protest said, we're going to go back to the other direction because we don't trust these pigs. That was their quote. Kind of like the '60s rally.
But I can tell you, there's just intense anger here of people can't believe the results of the election. But I haven't found anyone who's telling me the election was unfair. And I'm also finding a lot of people who haven't voted.
Sir, quick question for you. Why are you protesting today?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because Trump is not our president. He is unfair. He's unfair for everything. He lies about -- everybody thinks racism is cool, it is not. It is not.
TUCHMAN: Let me ask you a question. Did you vote in the election?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did.
TUCHMAN: Who did you vote for?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hillary all the way.
TUCHMAN: You voted for Hillary Clinton?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did.
TUCHMAN: Do you think anything about the election was unfair?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That fact that she got the popular vote and he still won. He's got all people in power. It's a lie. We need to stop this now. It's unfair for all the minorities.
TUCHMAN: And you can see that a lot of people are very unhappy about that, for the second time in 16 years the Democrat Al Gore in 2000 winning the popular votes, the Republican winning election. Anderson, back to you. ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: All right, Gary, we'll continue to keep an eye on that protest as well as some others that we are watching. There are also reports of a number of incidents of violence, graffiti, some calling hate crimes following Trump's election. Tom Foreman tonight reports.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PROTESTERS: No Trump, no KKK, no racist USA.
TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Far from quenching the bitterness of the long campaign, the final vote has inflamed passions with anti- Trump protesters flooding the streets in more than two dozen cities, cursing the president-elect, burning his effigy.
Simultaneously, acts of intimidation and hate by pro-Trump forces are also flaring. At a middle school in Michigan a cafeteria chant have build the wall.
At a Minnesota high school, graffiti, "Go back to Africa, whites only, Trump." And in North Carolina, similar words, "Black lives don't matter."
In various sites around the northeast, police report Nazi-themed pro- Trump graffiti. An African-American doll hung up on a college campus, and the door to a Muslim prayer room scrolled with the president- elect's name.
There is no reliable way to measure the true motivation behind all these recent incidents or to know yet if this represents a significant increase since law enforcement tracking of hate crimes requires extensive investigation first.
But in California, more examples. A Muslim woman says her head scarf was yanked by an attacker. Authorities don't know if it was politically motivated. Her take?
ESRA ALTUN, SAYS SHE WAS ATTACKED WHILE WEARING A HIJAB: It's a weird coincident that -- if it wasn't a hate crime, it's a weird coincident that it happened right after Trump became the president-elect.
FOREMAN: At a West Coast High School, a mom says this is how her daughter's day started.
MELISSA FRAZIER, STUDENT'S MOTHER: She walked into the class, her first class in the morning, and was greeted with, "Are you ready to go back to Mexico?"
FOREMAN: At the same school, a student handed out deportation notices. Said it was a joke.
FRAZIER: It's not a joke. It's not funny. You're making fun of my family. You're making fun of my friends. And it hurts.
FOREMAN: Still, the protest against Trump and his supporters while largely peaceful have been undeniably bigger, and have brought their own ugliness, cases of vandalism, arson, arrests and pain.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have a couple of officers injured. Some went to the hospital.
PROTESTERS: He's not my president! He's not my president!
FOREMAN: Through all of the hard words, one clear message is coming through. Although the battle ground votes have been counted, the battle rages on.
Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
COOPER: Univision anchor, Jorge Ramos, has his own intense relationship with the president-elect. And you may remember he was kicked out of a Trump press conference back in summer of 2015 when he tried to ask about the candidate's immigration policy. Jorge Ramos joins us tonight.
Jorge, some of these acts, these hateful acts that we've seen over the last couple of days, graffiti and things like that, how much responsibility do you think President-elect Trump, his rhetoric on the campaign trail, how much does his rhetoric bear for them?
JORGE RAMOS, UNIVISION ANCHOR: I think he's responsible for that. He emboldened many groups that right now are expressing their hate and dislike of minorities. When he said during the campaign that Mexican immigrants were criminals and rapists, words are important, words matter, words have consequences. And what we have seen right now is precisely that.
[20:35:01] If there's a headline for the Hispanic community right now, it would be fear. Fear of hate, fear of reprisals, fear of -- you know, I just saw a video from a Michigan school in which some teenagers were chanting, "Build the wall." I mean, that language comes from Donald Trump and the problem is that so far Donald Trump hasn't denounced that. And that's their problem.
COOPER: Monica Langley of the "Wall Street Journal", I spoke to her earlier today. She interviewed Donald Trump. She asked him whether he thought his rhetoric had gone too far on the campaign, and his response was simply, "No, I won."
RAMOS: Well, he's responsible for his words. We have now a president-elect who made racist comments when he was running for the White House. We have a candidate who made sexist remarks during the campaign. So I think he is responsible for that.
And not only that, I think he has emboldened many groups. He has -- before the election, many people were saying things in their homes that were private, that were politically incorrect for a reason. And now exactly that kind of language is what we are hearing. And after the election, many people think that it is OK to say those things and it is not. It's simply it is not. Now, we have a president-elect who's going through the process of being normalized by the press and by the political establishment. We still have to remember who he is and what he said in the past.
COOPER: In the "Wall Street Journal" interview, he also talked about the protests that we've e seen over the last few days. He said, "I want a country that loves each other." I want to stress that, and adding that the best way to ease tension would be to, "bring in jobs." Is that you think the best way to ease tension or does -- do you think Donald Trump needs to at some point address these protests or address the fears that some people in America have?
RAMOS: The fear is real. Again, when he said that, for instance, with Latinos and immigrants, when he said he wants to deport 11 million in two years, that's about 15,000 every single day. That's a real fear. When he says that he wants to repeal executive action and that's going to affect 700,000 dreamers, that's real fear.
So, I think, yes, he has to address the fact that something is wrong, that there are millions of Americans who didn't vote for him, and that this expression is being shown all around the country.
COOPER: I remember reading some of your tweets on Election Day, you were saying it was the day when Latinos would remember who was with them, who had insulted them.
RAMOS: Yeah.
COOPER: You were looking how Latinos were voting in Florida, North Carolina and Nevada, saying they can decide the election and in a part, they did decide the election. They decide the election for Donald Trump. I mean, he got a higher turn out among Latinos and I think certainly many people had anticipated.
RAMOS: Absolutely. We were wrong, that's it. We were wrong. I think that we overestimated the importance of the Latino vote. And we thought that the Latino vote was going to stop Donald Trump from making it to the White House and we were mistaken. That's for sure.
There was a hidden vote within the Hispanic community, people, Latinos who didn't want to say openly that maybe they were ashamed of saying during the campaign that they were going to vote for Donald Trump, and at the end, they did.
COOPER: In August, you wrote an op-ed and I remember you said "Judgment day is coming," and you asked citizens and other journalists a question, "Will you have peace of mind come November 9th?" I wonder, did you have peace of mind come November 9th, you personally?
RAMOS: I am -- I'm in peace. I think I did what I have to do. I think I asked tough questions on Donald Trump. I was ejected from a press conference. We produce a documentary called "Hate Rising" that everybody can watch right now on the influence of Donald Trump in alt- right movements.
I think as a journalist I did what I could. And, again, when you see racism, discrimination, corruption, I think as a journalist you have to take a stand and I took a stand. I don't regret that. As a matter of fact, I think we need tougher questions. I think one of the mistakes that we made as journalists is not only that we didn't see the resentment that growing in many corners of the United States and the fact that we relied on polls and the polls were wrong, but also that we didn't ask tougher questions sooner.
I think many journalists reacted too late to Donald Trump, but I'm in peace. I think I did what I have to do and I'm going to continue doing that. I'll position myself on the other side of Donald Trump. There's a beautiful word in Spanish that it's "contrapoder" which is to be on the other side of power. I think that's where we have to be as journalists, that's where I'm going to be in the next four year.
[20:40:01] COOPER: Jorge Ramos, thanks for joining us.
RAMOS: Thank you.
COOPER: Later on the program, a different perspective, a Muslim woman, American, actually an immigrant and a Trump supporter.
Up next, we'll also take a look at those protecting the president- elect.
Trump Tower is now Trump fortress ringed by Secret Service and NYPD with restrict to the airspace and even sand-filled dump trucks park on Fifth Avenue. The question, is that enough? We're going to speak with a former Secret Service Agent ahead about how Trump security situation has now changed.
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COOPER: Looking at anti-Trump protests underway right now, the third night demonstrations. Earlier this week, a massive protest ended in front of Trump Tower here in New York, the president-elect's home and headquarters for obviously for his business empire. The skyscraper has turned into a fortress of sorts in the middle of Manhattan with new restrictions in place for people, vehicles even aircraft flying overhead. Phil Mattingly, reports.
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PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Tonight the residence of the President-elect Trump tower is a fortress ringed by tight security, the center of an increasingly worrisome question. How do you secure a 58-story skyscraper smack in the center of one of the world's busiest cities?
[20:45:04] It's a question made even more difficult by the fact to building's atrium is a public space, increasingly difficult to monitor, law enforcement officials say. And the building itself, a target, as recently as this year, of a suction cup climber, seen as potential vulnerable to any number of threats from surrounding towers and streets.
TOM VERNI, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: Because it is so dense, you know, the damage you could cause is potentially immense. So they are -- it's going to be -- they're going to have to work it out for them here for quite sometime.
MATTINGLY: The FAA already moving to protect it from the air, issuing temporary flight restrictions that that extend nearly 3,000 feet up and two nautical miles out.
In the wake of election night, new cement barriers and sand-filled dump trucks lined busy Fifth Avenue, pushing cars and the public further away.
Now, a Secret Service presence throughout the building and a regular presence of more than a hundred NYPD officers surrounding the property. A debate between Secret Service and NYPD officials still ongoing over even more restrictive actions to take. Concerns exacerbated by the now constant presence of protesters. The group now given their own pen across the street from the building's main entrance.
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COOPER: Phil Mattingly joins us now from outside Trump Tower. So, I mean, with Trump Tower just off Fifth Avenue you -- this got to be incredibly complex for law enforcement officials. This is the heart of Midtown Manhattan. Is there a sense of what more they're going to be doing the coming days?
MATTINGLY: Yeah, this is not ideal at all. And especially when you talk to Secret Service officials, Anderson, if they had it their way, Donald Trump would be out in the suburbs somewhere, maybe even Mar-a- Lago, anywhere but here. It's increasingly difficult as we noted throughout the piece to keep a close eye on all of the different threats here.
Here's what we know, as of now, the NYPD and the Secret Service are continuing to kind of negotiate on the presence. If the Secret Service had their way, all of Fifth Avenue at all times would be closed. It's been closed back and forth over the course of the last couple of hours. They want that changed. They want a number of different shifts.
But an important point that was made by one law enforcement official was this, the NYPD knows how to handle these things. They deal with these types of national security issues on a very regular basis.
So, there's a push and pull going back and forth here, Anderson, but I will say, the Secret Service wants much more done than they've done already. Evolving is the way someone put the security posture here. Expect more restrictions in the days ahead. Anderson?
COOPER: All right, Phil Mattingly. Phil, thanks.
A lot to discus. Joining me now, Jonathan Wacro, a former Secret Service agent who protected President Obama and many others. Thanks for being with us.
JONATHAN WACKROW, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Thank you.
COOPER: It's interesting, I mean, as -- obviously president -- well, candidate Trump had Secret Service protection, but as soon as he becomes president-elect it goes to a whole new level.
WACKROW: Absolutely. The security posture changes dramatically. Overnight he goes from a candidate and, you know, the candidate protection which is, you know, out there, you know, we've seen it for months since he originally got it. All of the sudden the Presidential Protection Division takes over. And, you know, they start implementing the exact same security protocols that President Obama has today.
So, we've seen that. We've seen, you know, the airspace restriction above, you know, Trump Tower and that's going to continue wherever he goes. So it's not like that's just one area. Wherever he goes, he's going to have, you know, airspace security. He's going to have increased physical security protection around every where he -- where he resides.
So right now he's at Trump Tower. You know, if he goes to Mar-a-Lago this weekend, there's going to be an increased security posture there where you're going to have ...
COOPER: So he's getting a -- essentially presidential level security?
WACKROW: Absolutely, 100 percent.
COOPER: And every member of his family has also then -- do they all get details?
WACKROW: They do. So this is actually some uncharted water for the Secret Service. You know, we haven't had adult-children protectees of the president -- right now the president-elect, in a long time.
So when you start looking at, you know, Donald Trump's four adult children, they're all going to get their own respective, you know, details, and then his young child is also going to get a detail. And that will be covered under the, like the family detail out of the White House.
COOPER: So, I mean, the expense of this is going to be astronomical.
WACKROW: I'm sure it is.
COOPER: Right.
WACKROW: But, you know, just to put a, you know, price tag on the pot, listen, it's needed.
COOPER: Of course.
WACKROW: Look at what we're seeing outside, around.
COOPER: Well, that's the thing. I mean these -- the level of -- you know, we just did this report on some, you know, graffiti that was written, you know, and children chanting things in schools, but the flip side of that is there, you know, people talking about doing harm to President-elect Trump and so the Secret Service have got to take that very seriously.
WACKROW: One hundred percent. You know, we look at everything the Secret Service works in, you know, a threat-based paradigm. You know, they are looking at, what are the threats?
So, now as the president-elect, again, we're looking at intelligence differently.
COOPER: Right.
WACKROW: We're looking at what are those threats that are coming in? Right now, Twitter has flooded with death threats, you know, towards Donald Trump. So that now has to be, you know, taken with a different optic, as, you know, the incoming president. So, you know, everything changes when you become the president-elect.
COOPER: In a location like this, it's just got to present so many challenges. I mean, the Trump Tower, there's multiple entrances, it's a high-rise building in the heart of Midtown Manhattan.
[20:50:00] WACKROW: One thing I just want to clarify, you know, the reporting said that, you know, the NYPD and the Secret Service are negotiating. There's no negotiating this. You know, there is the ...
COOPER: With the Secret Service.
WACKROW: With the Secret Service. There is a protective methodology.
Now, with that being said, you know, the Secret Service are going to be respectful of the NYPD and the, you know, the people of New York, you know, there's an impact here.
COOPER: Right.
WACKROW: You know, we're in the heart of Midtown Manhattan. You know, and one of the, you know ...
COOPER: They have to take that into account.
WACKROW: Exactly. So, you know, what we'll try to do is, you know, work our protective methodology to accommodate, you know, the NYPD.
COOPER: Right.
WACKROW: But, you know, there's -- you can't negotiate presidential protection. It's just not done.
COOPER: Yeah, Jonathan Wackrow, I really appreciate it.
WACKROW: OK. Thanks a lot, Anderson.
COOPER: Coming up on this Veterans Day, we ask those who served in our military for their take on President-elect Trump. What they had to say, just ahead.
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COOPER: On this Veterans Day, we say thank you to all the men and women who served our country in the Armed Forces. Veterans obviously make up a crucial voting block as well, one that overwhelmingly voted for Trump. But there are some who have questions about the next commander in chief. Randi Kaye tonight reports.
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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: In Winter Park, Florida, a ceremony to honor our nation's veterans and a chance to weigh in on the newly elected commander in chief.
[20:55:03] ARTHUR RIPLEY, VETERAN "MECHANIC FOR MARINES": I just like the guy. I -- you've got to have faith in somebody.
KAYE: Are you a Donald Trump fan?
PHIL DANIELS, U.S. ARMY VETERANS: Very much so.
KAYE: Why'd you vote Trump?
DANIELS: Because the way this country's been going is disastrous.
KAYE: How do you feel about Donald Trump being elected?
ROBERT APOCADA, U.S. AIR FORCE VETERAN: I am hopeful, because what I saw over the past few days is a lot different than what I saw the months beforehand.
KAYE: Exit polls show 61 percent of the veterans in this country voted for Donald Trump, yet some here aren't sold on the president- elect. That's despite Trump's promise to increase funding for the military and improve medical care at V.A. hospitals.
Donald Trump has made a lot of promises to veterans. Can he deliver?
BERNARD HALLS, WORLD WAR TWO VETERANS: No, he's not going to deliver it. He know (inaudible).
DONALD WIDHALM, U.S. ARMY VETERAN: The only thing I'm looking at, are we going to have the money to fund all these programs?
KAYE: Has he over promised? Do you think he can deliver?
RIPLEY: I believe he can deliver. He's got a Republican Congress. If they get off their lazy butt.
KAYE: This Air Force veteran fears Trump pandered to veterans just to get elected.
APOCADA: He never provided details on how he was going to accomplish like the economy or jobs or national defense. He just, you know, said that "I am smarter than the generals" and it's like, well, that really put me off being a military person.
KAYE: This veteran who served 27 years was turned off by Trump's comment during the campaign that John McCain wasn't a war hero because he'd been captured as a POW.
WIDHALM: What you do, before you put your mouth in gear, you put your brain in gear, OK? And be careful of what you say. You may think it, but you still don't speak it.
FRANK MICHAEL, U.S. COAST GUARD VETERANS: It's the wrong thing to say not just towards a veteran, but towards any American citizen.
KAYE: Still, while many here refused to say whether or not they voted for Donald Trump, they all agree, it's their duty to support him. They hope he'll be able to unify the country.
You served this country for 28 years. How does he unite the country that you were willing to give your life for?
WES NAYLOR, VETERAN, U.S. NAVY (RET): The proof is in the pudding. Do you serve the people who elected you to serve? And it's not about serving part of the people, it's about serving all the people.
APOCADA: I think the country will heal. We always come back together.
RIPLEY: I believe he will be a great president.
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COOPER: Randi joins me now live from Orlando.
Did any of the veterans you spoke with today talk about the fact that Donald Trump didn't serve in the military? Or did that not matter?
KAYE: It does matter to some of them, Anderson. But before I get to that, I just want to point out some folks here behind me. There's a small protest happening here in Downtown, Orlando, a few hundred people or so, certainly against Donald Trump.
We found some folks at this veterans gathering against Donald Trump as well. I did mention the fact that he had avoided Vietnam. And some of them did have a problem with it, others kind of blew it off and said, "You know what, you don't have to be in the trenches killing people to serve your country." They believe he has served as a successful businessman in their eyes and they think that he will serve as president and be a great president. They love the fact that they believe he loves the country as much as they do. They think he's going to do a lot for homeless veterans getting them warm beds. They love the fact that he's not part of the political system, Anderson, that they have so little trust for it.
COOPER: Yeah, a change election. Randi, thanks very much.
In the next hour of "360", will Donald Trump bring Steve Bannon with him to the White House as his chief of staff, the former head of Breitbart News, was a key member of his campaign staff, credited with a lot of Trump success? The question, is he the right man for the job or would a big name in the Republican Party be a better fit? We'll dig into that, ahead.
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