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Queen Makes Final Journey To Buckingham Palace Ahead Of Funeral; Charles III Visit Northern Ireland First Time As King; CNN Goers Inside Liberated Ukrainian City After Russian Retreat; Judge Unseals New Information From Mar-A-Lago Affidavit; How Prince William Is Following In His Father`s Footsteps; Queen Makes Final Journey To Buckingham Palace Ahead Of Funeral. Aired 8-9p ET
Aired September 13, 2022 - 20:00 ET
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ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST: Starr had a long career in law. It wasn`t until 1994 though that he became a household name. His investigation into the Clintons` Whitewater Real Estate deal eventually uncovered Clinton`s relationship with Monica Lewinsky.
Most recently, Starr was one of Trump`s impeachment lawyers in 2020. Ken Starr was 76 years old.
Thanks so much for joining us. AC 360 begins now.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: It is early morning here in London, outside Buckingham Palace where the casket bearing Queen Elizabeth II now reposes.
Its arrival from Edinburgh, Scotland was in keeping with so much of what we have seen already over the last several days, enormous crowds lining the streets, braving the rain at times, intermingling applause and cheers at moments of remembered happiness with stretches of quiet reverence and almost palpable stillness.
As the hearse, said to be designed in part, by the Queen herself and lit from within approached the crowd at the Palace, the crowds began to cheer.
Then as it drew closer, that heavy silence fell once again.
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COOPER: A moment later, when the hearse was inside, the applause resumed one final time as what were for 70 years the Queen`s Guard and the Queen`s staff there to receive her and to mourn.
Tomorrow, the quiet returns as a silent procession accompanies the coffin to Westminster Hall in the House of Parliament where the late monarch will lie in state. Already as you can see, people have begun camping out in the rain along the route.
Public viewing begins at 5:00 PM local time and will continue around the clock until early Monday morning. A short time ago, the government laid out the path that people will
take to the viewing site. It will stretch clear across the Thames and a considerable distance down the river`s south bank, which speaks to the expected outpouring.
Special trains will run throughout the coming nights bringing in mourners from across Great Britain. The King and Queen Consort are now at Clarence House just across the corner of Green Park from us right now, having spent the early part of the day in Northern Ireland visiting Hillsborough Castle, which is the Royal residence in Northern Ireland, and receiving a message of condolence from the Northern Ireland Assembly.
I`m here tonight with filmmaker John Bridcut, creator of their documentaries, "Elizabeth at 90: A Family Tribute," "Prince, Son and Heir Charles at 70," among many other films. This clip that we`re about to show you right now is from "Elizabeth at 90." It is then Prince Charles recalling a moment in 1981, when his mother was riding horseback and a teenager fired several blanks spooking her horse.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is receiving a reassuring catch from, Her Majesty, the Queen, but he`s a very experienced, wise old rider.
KING CHARLES III: She`s a marvelous rider, so -- and there, she`s got a marvelous way with horses. Had the strong stuff in her.
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COOPER: John, as someone who has spent much time documenting the Royal family and also working with them, what do you make of what you have seen in terms of the outpouring of people here and also this time that we are in this transition?
JOHN BRIDCUT, DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER: Well, it`s a very strange period. I mean, I think something that none of us has really experienced before, this idea that you`re looking back at this long reign of 70 years, with great -- in many cases, great emotion, and also looking forward and welcoming the new King, and it is something about our system, for better or worse that you switch from one to the other without a moment`s pause.
I mean, when the death of the Queen was announced by Buckingham Palace, they said, "The Queen died peacefully in Balmoral this afternoon. The King is traveling to London tomorrow." And, you know, when I heard that, I thought, "Wow," you know, there is no sort of pause.
COOPER: Yes. And Bonnie, it is actually something that, I mean, obviously we haven`t seen for 70 years, which is, you know, we`ve seen the Queen mother died, obviously, Prince Philip, there have been other deaths, but none that involved a transition immediately.
BONNIE GREER, AUTHOR AND PLAYWRIGHT: That`s true, and that`s a problem, because most of us in this country have never known any other Head of State. Most of the people in this country were born after she became Head of State. So her existence is a "normal thing," that she`s not here anymore.
It is actually going to be quite destabilizing, and it already is.
I mean, the crowds that we see now, Anderson are loyalist crowds, mostly people who are always there for the Royal family, and who will be there for this extra occasion.
But the country is not settled and I think in some ways that is not talked enough about, and also younger generations are not settled, either.
GREER: So, this is not going to be an easy thing for Charles to navigate.
COOPER: I want to play another clip from your documentary, "Elizabeth at 90," and I believe this is the Queen sitting with then Prince Charles looking at old home movies of the Queen when she was a little girl. Let`s take a look.
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QUEEN ELIZABETH II: Always very busy.
KING CHARLES III: Yes. Emptying that pretty little bag --
QUEEN ELIZABETH II: Well, hopefully everything is -- some of it doesn`t get back in again.
KING CHARLES III: Where is this, again? That`s not --
QUEEN ELIZABETH II: Well, I don`t -- I think that`s London.
KING CHARLES III: It must be, wasn`t it? Oops.
QUEEN ELIZABETH II: Extremely painful, and then do it again.
KING CHARLES II: And do you have that pram somewhere still?
QUEEN ELIZABETH II: I have never seen it again.
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COOPER: I mean, she was really born into a completely other world. I mean, she -- to think that -- I mean, the world that she was born into that even when she became Queen, it was a completely other world.
There was an empire of -- there was a Great Britain with an empire that stretched around the world.
BRIDCUT: Yes, I mean, that`s -- so that`s 90-something years ago. I mean, she saw an extraordinary transformation, and I suppose, picking up what Bonnie said, that`s -- she sort of concealed a lot of the changes that were happening by being the stable figure.
BRIDCUT: And we know that I think that was her great achievement in a way, but it possibly leaves things that are not so stable underneath.
I mean, I think, having said that, I think King Charles has made a great start, because I think we`re going to see this reign as being very different from the Queen`s. It is going to be the same in the sense that the tradition will continue. And he will build, as he says, on her foundations.
But I think, he is a very different character. The Queen actually said, when he had his 70th birthday party, she had -- she made -- there was a private party and she made a little speech, and she talked about him as his own man.
And I think that was really interesting that she acknowledged that because I think the thing about him is that he is a much more emotional man, emotional figure. He has -- it is going to be a more personal reign, I think. And we`ve already seen the way that he got out of the car at the gates of Buckingham Palace on the first day.
GREER: And he felt confident about doing it.
BRIDCUT: Very confident.
GREER: He wasn`t nervous about it. He was confident about it.
BRIDCUT: That`s right. And that`s going to be a big change, because the Queen never was easy with crowds in that way.
GREER: Because she`s from another generation.
GREER: And he is from -- he is able to do that. I was just thinking, just while you were talking. The Queen was born on the other side oif this park.
BRIDCUT: That`s right.
GREER: And she is being rested on the other side of the park.
COOPER: By the way, I never introduced you to everybody.
GREER: I know. I know.
COOPER: I like you --
GREER: I know we know each other.
COOPER: I like you so much, I just assumed everyone knows you and is friends with you. Bonnie Greer is an author and a playwright and the former Deputy Chair of the British Museum, and she and I were part of a team that covered the wedding of Prince Harry. GREER: Yes, so we know each other. I love that you did that though.
COOPER: And I apologize.
GREER: No, it`s -- I love that you did that. I just felt like --
COOPER: Yes, just like --
GREER: I thought that was very good because we`ve been talking all afternoon.
COOPER: Right. Exactly. I feel like I`ve been having a conference with you for a long time.
GREER: It was great.
COOPER: But what do you think of Charles` ability to kind of bridge this divide? I mean, as you said, we`re seeing a lot of fans out here, but these are fans who would come out for the Royal family and other times as well.
GREER: Well, I`ve met him a couple of times and I was an Ambassador for the Prince`s Trust, his charity that he started when he -- before -- certainly being Prince of Wales.
Charles has always been transparent. Now, you know, I don`t know anything about what people say about him that he is sort of very pompous, or whatever it was, but maybe he is. But he doesn`t hide anything. He can`t. He`s not got that kind of face.
And when he did that announcement, and when he talked about his mother, this guy was crying. I mean, there is no way that you will sit there and think, "Oh, this is some kind of cold person." This guy was crying.
And he always says, he refers to Camilla as his dear wife, his darling wife. He doesn`t hide any of that stuff.
Now, whether that`s going to be able to make him the King for this country going forward, we will see, because the other part of this I think people have argued with me, but the other part of this is obviously going to be his partnership with his eldest son, William who is going to be with him very closely.
And he said in his speech, I made him Prince of Wales. And he said that to the world by saying basically. This man is going to work with me.
And he is aware of the fact that I think that he knows, there is no way that he is going to have the reign that his mother had. It`s not possible.
GREER: So, he is telling the country, I know that I`ve got a few years, and I`m going to do this. BRIDCUT: And the interesting thing was when he was talking about
Prince William as Prince of Wales, he said, "He`s going to bring people on the margins into the center ground where they can be helped." And I thought that was really interesting, because he is not going to be political in the way that he has been in the past.
GREER: Well, he can`t be.
BRIDCUT: He can`t be, but he is looking to William to carry on the work.
GREER: Well, it`s a big job for William. I mean, I know people who play football with him, and he just rides his motorbike up. He is like that. But now, what`s going to happen as Prince of Wales, and not only that, go back to where the country is a very interesting place.
The title of Prince of Wales is a war trophy, and the Welsh are now saying, "Wait a minute, wait a minute, you need to ask us about being Prince of Wales." So, this is the new thing that`s coming up that he is going to have to contend with.
COOPER: You talk about the King, King Charles and Prince William, the Prince of Wales working together. From what I understand over the last year or so as Andrew has been taken out of the picture, Harry is no longer obviously here, part of the family in the same way that now King Charles and Prince William have already been working closely together more and more.
GREER: Absolutely. Totally.
COOPER: Taking over duties that the Queen was no longer able --
BRIDCUT: It`s become a much closer relationship.
COOPER: And they have slimmed down to sort of the extra Royals.
GREER: And I`m glad you said that because that family is going to be slimmed down. I think, if anything, I think anyway, Charles` mark will be that he`s going to make this Royal family smaller, and we saw that sort of last year, when the people who came out on the balcony, the people who are working, not everybody. The people who were working.
So, that`s going to be the change, and that`s going to be a very big change as well.
BRIDCUT: It`s going to be interesting to see how well the country copes with that.
BRIDCUT: Because they all want to have Royal patrons in charge of their charities and so on and with fewer Royals, there aren`t -- you know, they`re not going to be able to -- GREER: Wasn`t it interesting what Charles said upfront, like he was
saying, I`m going not saying goodbye. He said, I can`t do this anymore. I can`t do these charities anymore. And that was it.
BRIDCUT: Yes. It`s going to be very interesting.
COOPER: Thank you both so much. It really is fascinating, and I`m so glad to be with you both. Thank you.
BRIDCUT: Thank you very much, Anderson.
COOPER: Just ahead from London tonight, more on the Royal family`s next generation, which we`ve touched on a bit already how William, the new Prince of Wales is following in his father`s footsteps in his own.
Coming up next, though, we want to take you to Ukraine and our first look inside one of many towns and cities liberated from Russian occupation in just the last several days and CNN is there.
COOPER: Of course, we`re going to have more coverage tonight on the new Royal era here in Britain and the coming funeral of Queen Elizabeth on Monday, but there are new developments elsewhere of course, in the world to bring you.
Throughout Russia`s invasion of Ukraine as only they can, CNN correspondents have been first on the scene of virtually every key moment and in every significant location.
Frequently, that`s meant being the first to show scenes of sadness and unspeakable loss.
Well tonight, as Ukraine`s counteroffensive rolls forward, it means being first enter a newly liberated and highly strategic city. Reporting tonight from Izyum for us is CNN`s Sam Kiley.
SAM KILEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): It`s been a stunning advance. Ukraine`s route of Russian invaders has recaptured 6,000 square kilometers, Ukraine`s President says. This land was held by Russia just a few days ago, now is providing a rich harvest to Ukraine`s Army of abandoned Russian equipment.
The Russian "Z" symbol painted over, the guns ready to kill Russians, the recapture of Izyum, a strategic prize accelerated by precision strikes from new artillery donated by Western allies.
KILEY (on camera): This was clearly hit with a very large piece of artillery or an airstrike. You can see how important it was strategically, clearly a former school. There is a kind of children`s painting on the wall. But it`s also got these large holes, which would have been dug to
store tanks or armored personnel carriers, even artillery pieces, there`s -- one, two, three, four, five.
KILEY (voice over): We were shown into a Command Center in the bunkers of an old factory.
KILEY (on camera): So down here, we`ve seen a medical facility, call it something like that inside this bunker. There is a barracks --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Russian soldiers --
KILEY: They`ve been sleeping in it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
KILEY (voice over): The top brass here slept in beds made of old doors.
KILEY (on camera): And then of course, the Command Center here.
As I walk along here, it is absolutely extraordinary. There are the different labels for the different roles of the senior Russian officers on these school desks that have been arranged in this bunker in an old what looks like a brick factory.
Now, they were safe down here, underground. But they didn`t feel safe enough to stay in Izyum. What`s critical, ultimately for the Ukrainian Armed Forces is making sure that the senior officers of the Russian Army stay on the run. They do that, the Russian Armed Forces will collapse completely in Ukraine and potentially threaten the longevity of one Vladimir Putin.
KILEY (voice over): This couple celebrated liberation.
(UNIDENTIFIED MALE speaking in foreign language.)
KILEY (voice over): They told me that some of their neighbors were less delighted and had blamed Ukrainian forces for shelling their homes. But he insisted the incoming shells never hit the checkpoints or Russian artillery based right outside his house, and so blamed the Russians for false flag attacks on civilians.
He said the Russians behaved like pigs they stole everything from all the empty houses before they ran away.
The Russian guns were busy here. Their wood and ammunition boxes now stockpile for winter fuel.
KILEY (voice over): And to the Ukrainian victors here, the spoils have been rich. The capture of Izyum and the route of Russia here has broken a key link in Putin`s logistics chain in the battle for the East.
KILEY (on camera): Now, you have the remarkable on a tank coming through to collect an abandoned Russia howitzer.
KILEY (voice over): I asked him if it had been a hard fight. "Not really," he said.
The latest Ukrainian successes may not be the beginning of the end of this war, but not even the Kremlin can deny that this chapter has been a very sorry tale for Russia.
COOPER: Sam joins us now. How were people you spoke with treated by the by the Russian forces with the occupying army?
KILEY: It`s very, very, very mixed, indeed, Anderson.
I mean, the couple you saw there in the piece said that they were unruly, unpleasant, and difficult, and dirty, and thieving. For others in Vasylkiv, for example, they described how people were routinely abducted, beaten up, arrested, harassed -- all of them spoke of how the Russians had looted wholesale areas of the towns and villages that they were operating in.
And of course, we know that the Russians were already trying to impose the Russian culture on people even importing teachers, for example, have been moved into a number of these towns and cities to start teaching young schoolchildren such as were remaining there, Russian curriculum. Efforts being made to bring in the ruble, even change the names of shops and other things to Russian chain.
So, there was a Russification which really sat very, very unpleasantly with Ukrainians.
COOPER: Yes. It`s extraordinary the advances the Ukrainian forces have been making. Sam Kiley, appreciate it. Remarkable that you were able to get there.
CNN military analyst and retired Army Lieutenant General Mark Hertling has been predicting Ukrainian battlefield success for quite some time now. He joins us tonight.
General Hertling, to what do -- I mean, how is it the Ukrainians have done what they have just done in the last several weeks?
LT. GEN. MARK HERTLING (RET), CNN MILITARY ANALYST: You know, Anderson, what I`d say -- well, first of all, Sam`s reporting is excellent to get those kinds of stories inside the bunkers and talking to the people of the towns that have been liberated and by the way, the Ukrainian Intelligence Directorate indicate that about 300 or more towns have been liberated already, like Izyum that Sam was in.
But from a perspective of the Ukrainian army, it was just a brilliant advance, and it was a result of solid maneuver planning, really good deception. Technologically advanced weapons, as Sam just mentioned, the use of Intelligence to guide the attack, leadership and morale -- all things that the Russian force does not have. And while the West, you know, a lot of people are saying Western
officials were surprised by the speed of advance, I was one of those. I knew the advance was coming, but I didn`t know it was going to go that quickly. I`d suggest the Ukrainian Army may have also been stunned by what happened.
COOPER: I mean, the Ukraine, obviously gaining a lot of weapons and ammunition as they retake this roughly 2,300 square miles of territory. Do those weapons make a significant impact on this war? Or are those Russian weapons not even as advanced as the weapons that the US has been giving them and our European allies as well?
HERTLING: Yes. It is funny you should mention that, Anderson because I just talked to an individual in Ukraine today and this is coming from Ukraine and Intel now, but Ukraine has reported that they have received or they`ve captured 39 key AD tanks, and 35 BMPs from the Fourth Tank Division of the First Russian Tank Army.
They`ve also from the Second Motorized Rifle Division, captured 47 tanks and 27 BMPs. That`s more than a brigade worth of US tanks. That`s just incredible.
If those tanks are workable, and some of them are higher end like the T-80. Certainly, Ukraine will be able to use those, and you know, of all the donor nations that have been providing weapons to Ukraine, it seems like Russia over the last couple of days have provided more than a lot of European allies.
COOPER: Is part of also that the disadvantage here obviously, for Russian forces, just the stretched out supply lines that for Russia to maintain its forces on the ground in Ukraine, it is much more difficult obviously, than Ukrainian forces.
HERTLING: It`s a couple of things, yes. It has stretched supply lines, which as Russia heads back toward Russia or that the lines reduce they will have actually a shorter supply route lines which may be of help, but truthfully, Anderson as we`ve been seeing from the beginning of the war, the leadership and the morale of the Russian soldiers, leadership at the lower level, the mid-level, the General officer level is absolutely horrible.
HERTLING: We`ve talked on numerous occasions about the dysfunctional supply lines. And remember those holes that Sam were just showing you, those trenches and dugouts, the Russian soldiers have been living in those for the last seven months, almost, in all sorts of weather without a break and when losing their comrades.
You know, when you`re talking about the fifty to sixty thousand dead Russian soldiers that are a result of this campaign, and many more wounded, you`re talking about small units losing a good percentage of their comrades and that only lowers morale further.
You can certainly understand without supplies, without leadership, seeing your buddies die why the Russian soldiers are picking up and running away as fast as they can.
But having said all of that, Anderson, there is still a lot of fighting to go. There are still more work to be done by Ukraine.
COOPER: Yes, it is really not over. General Mark Hertling, as always, thank you.
Just ahead, the death of one central figure in the impeachment of Bill Clinton. We take a look at the life and legacy of prosecutor, Ken Starr.
Also, new details from that heavily blacked out affidavit the FBI used to secure a search warrant at the former President`s Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida. We will have that ahead.
COOPER: Tonight, we`re also following new details in the federal investigation of the former president. A federal judge in Florida today unsealed more information from that heavily redacted affidavit that investigators used to secure a search warrant of his residence in Florida. Included in the new information refreshed details about classified information recovered from Mar-a-Lago.
CNN`s Sara Murray has the latest for us. So, what are the new details in this less redacted version of the affidavit?
SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson, you know, this is still pretty heavily redacted. But what we are seeing is a slightly less redacted version that is giving us a little bit more detail, for instance, on some of the classification markings that were on the kinds of documents the Trump team previously handed over to prosecutors, you know, they point to highly sensitive government programs. And we`re learning a little bit more about that.
We`re also learning remember, there was a subpoena for this surveillance video of Mar-a-Lago. So, this gives a few more details about how their surveillance video covered a six month span it had to do with this basement hallway in Mar-a-Lago. That`s what prosecutors are really focused in on, and that surveillance tape was handed over to them as part of their investigation. Anderson.
COOPER: There are also some new developments tonight in both the House Select Committee and the Justice Department investigation looking into January 6.
MURRAY: That`s right. I mean, when we look at the Justice Department investigation, of course, we`ve covered you know, dozens of subpoenas going out to members of Trump`s orbit, we`ve been looking through those with our team there, talking to more people who are involved with this, and it really shows you that the Justice Department is trying to dig into every element of the former president`s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. So that means digging into the setup of that January 6 rally, the former president spoke at the funding for that rally, the fake electoral plot and even the efforts that people around the former president were making to push these, you know, false election fraud claims in court.
Now when it comes to the January 6 investigation on Capitol Hill, they were back today, they met in person, you know what we know one of the big things are still weighing is whether they want to call the former president and former Vice President Mike Pence to establish this official record that they`ve asked them to testify. You know, we also heard from Chairman Bennie Thompson today, he said that they`ve been getting a lot of new information just in the past week in relation to the Secret Service and those deleted text messages. So, it`s possible we could learn more about that going forward, or potentially in a future hearing. We`ve all been waiting to see when the committee will set a date for another potential hearing and Thompson made clear that they`re looking at that last week in September, but as always on because of this committee, things are still in flux, nothing is set in stone, Anderson.
COOPER: Sara Murray, appreciate it. Thank you.
Want to get some perspective now from CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig, a former Assistant U.S. Attorney. So how significant are these new details from the less redacted search affidavit?
ELIE HONIG, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: Well Anderson I see two big takeaways here. First of all, it`s a reminder of just how sensitive the documents were that were recovered at Mar-a-Lago. And now we`ve learned that the documents that the Trump team turned over when they got a subpoena back in June were the highest level of sensitivity had to do with our spies had to do with our foreign intelligence intercepts. These are life and death documents. The other thing that really jumps out to me from the newly revealed information is just how much DOJ is focused on obstruction, obstruction of justice. Were they misled, were documents intentionally misplaced or destroyed?
As Sara said, we now know that they requested surveillance going all the way back to January. And Anderson, let`s keep in mind in the search warrant affidavit, DOJ establish probable cause, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but probable cause that one of the crimes was obstruction of justice.
COOPER: In separately, this rolling subpoena is now from the DOJ as part of the January 6 investigation. It covers a lot of different avenues of inquiry, at least some of them relate to the so called save America political action committee, which is the former president`s main political fundraising arm. What does that tell you about where investigators may be headed?
HONIG: Anderson, DOJ is really blanketing Trump World with subpoenas. Now, it`s almost hard to think of any aspect of Donald Trump`s administration, campaign or fundraising that`s not been hit with a subpoena. We already knew that DOJ was looking at Donald Trump`s activities relating to his efforts to steal the election up to January 6, but this is new now. They`re looking at the fundraising apparatus. And when you dig into financial activities like that, Anderson, you could find we have no idea but you could find fraud entirely unrelated to the January 6 attack itself.
So, whenever prosecutors dig in, it`s got to be a cause for concern, but financial records can really be revealing in a situation like this.
COOPER: But the DOJ investigation, I mean, it`s built from rioters that were on the ground at the Capitol moving up into some of the rally organizers and state officials allied with the foreign president, now all the way to someone like Dan Scavino, who was the former President`s Deputy Chief of Staff, how significant is it that Trump`s inner circle seems to now be targeted?
HONIG: Yes, there`s no question Anderson, DOJ is focused has gone from the day of January 6 inside the Capitol up Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House and really the months and weeks leading up to the attack, and really all the efforts to potentially steal the election and obstruct Congress.
There was some question really for the first year or so of the investigation, is DOJ even looking at the real power sources, the Dan Scavino, the people who surrounded Donald Trump and Donald Trump himself, we really saw no evidence of that. But over the last three, four months, we are seeing overwhelming evidence. I think there`s no question now, DOJ is absolutely investigating Donald Trump and his inner circle. Will they charge is another question. We`re not going to get an answer before midterms, but they certainly are going to have all the information they need. And then Merrick Garland is going to have a very difficult and consequential decision to make.
COOPER: Yes. And also, the Office of the January 6 committee they hoped to wind back up again with more hearings later this month. I know you`ve said the committee can and should make the offer for both the foreign president former vice presidents testify. The odds of that actually happening, though, what do you think they are?
HONIG: Oh, there`s almost no chance we hear from Donald Trump or Mike Pence. But if you think about it, tactically, Anderson, I think the committee has to make the invitation the offer to Trump and Pence to testify, because if they don`t make that offer, we know what Donald Trump will say, he`ll say, this is so unfair. They didn`t even give me a chance to tell my story. If they do make the offer and Trump and or Pence declined, then it gives the committee the rhetorical point to say, hey, look, we invited them in here. We wanted to hear from them. There are no shows. Therefore, you can draw whatever conclusions you may.
So, I think that as a tactical strategic matter, they can and should make that invitation.
COOPER: Elie Honig, appreciate it. Thanks.
Short time ago, we just learned that Ken Starr has died according to a statement from his family. Starr of course, you may remember is the most famous as the independent counsel who pursued President Bill Clinton in 1990s. The investigation expanded eventually led to Clinton being impeached on two charges of lying under oath to a federal grand jury and obstructing justice. Clinton was later acquitted by the Senate. More recently Starr was a member of the former president`s defense team during the first impeachment. His family says that star died due to complications from surgery, he was 76 years old.
Just ahead, we`ll return to our coverage of the Royal succession with a look at the new Prince and Princess of Wales, William and his wife Kate. Now the heir parents is following in his father`s footsteps as he prepares for the day he may succeed to the throne.
COOPER: As we watch Britain`s new sovereign today, visiting the politically tense area of Northern Ireland, Charles`s first visit there is king. It is worth noting that he spent decades reading for this new role as heir apparent. Tasks and now falls to his eldest son the new Prince of Wales, William and William`s wife the new Princess Wales, Kate.
CNN`s Max Foster now and how William is following in his father`s footsteps.
MAX FOSTER, CNN ROYAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It used to be all high jinks and banter between William and Harry.
WILLIAM, PRINCE OF WALES: It`s pretty rich coming from ginger, so we`re obviously (INAUDIBLE).
FOSTER (voice-over): Even after William married, there was plenty of fun to be had in front of the cameras. Over the years, William gradually rebranded from a timeless young royal mixing with celebrities and trendy parties to a more formal suited and booted figure more fit for the throne. According to sources, it was a deliberate transformation as he moves steadily towards the top job as it`s now. One stop the work-shy Prince, sources say William wasn`t in a rush to take on full time public duties whilst he was settling down.
First, marrying his soul mates and then raising a young family, it was all about striking the right balance. But from the moment his grandmother died, he became first in line to the throne. And with that came a more weighty title.
KING CHARLES III, UNITED KINGDOM: I am proud to create him Prince of Wales to was so commonly. The country whose title I been so greatly privileged to bear during so much of my life and duty.
FOSTER (voice-over): With that, the new Prince and Princess of Wales have been elevated in position and will now be expected to step up and support the King more. They inherit huge swathes of land through the Duchy of Cornwall, giving them an independent income for the first time. William`s father reinvented the role of Prince of Wales by professionalizing it, is no longer a ticket to a playboy lifestyle. William and Kate will have plans for making it their own. But family will remain the major priority for both of them with their children starting at a new school just last week. Both will be aware that the burden of royal duties are greater than they ever were, not just because the Queen has passed. But because these duties were always meant to be shared with Harry, who`s now given up his royal role. It leaves the monarchy whether by design, or by default, more streamlined than ever, the spotlight now firmly on the new Prince and Princess of Wales for most high profile in history.
COOPER: And Max Foster joins us now, along with our chief international correspondent Clarissa Ward whose also been tracking today`s events.
I understand you have to new details about some of what went on tonight at Buckingham Palace.
FOSTER: And so, we know that the coffin was received by the whole family so all the Queen`s children and grandchildren including William and Harry, Kate, Meghan. And I`ve also been told tonight that they`ve all had a dinner together. So, that`s quite a unifying moment when you consider all the eruptions. If you know, Prince Andrew, Prince Harry, Meghan, all the actions of the family over the past year and they`re all sitting having dinner tonight in the name of the Queen and I think the standards still up I just about to see the yellow, which the protocol is that the King would leave first. So, the suggestion is that they`re all still in the palace tonight. Our time is nearly two o`clock.
COOPER: So that wouldn`t be the first time they`ve all probably had a meal together in --
FOSTER: Yes, I mean, we don`t know all of the movements behind the scenes, but certainly, I don`t think Harry`s sat down for dinner with William for sure. And Prince Andrew has not been allowed to be involved in any official events whatsoever. So, I think it`s a pretty profound moment. And I think it just speaks to this idea that they should unify, it`s the country`s unifying behind the Queen.
COOPER: Clarissa, Kate is the first person to hold the title Princess of Wales since Diana, obviously, it`s a title people associate with Princess Diana with the there`s got to be a lot of pressure that comes with that.
CLARISSA WARD, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONA CORRESPONDENT: I`m sure there is pressure. And I think the Duchess is, sorry, Princess is aware of that. We`ve been told that she intends to create her own path essentially, and, and really make the role her own. And we`ve seen her take a strong interest in certain issues, early education, child development, mental health, addiction, sports. Now, of course, she`ll be taking on a lot more royal patrons and charities. But I think the sense is that, you know, she`s ready for this moment. She has been exemplary really in everything that she`s done under the public spotlight and the sort of comparisons that you saw with Diana, during their original courtship with her and William way back when. I think that moment has really subsided and I think she will be able to step into this role and make it her own.
COOPER: With Prince Harry and Meghan giving up their royal roles does that -- I assume that puts more pressure on William and Kate as Prince and Princess of Wales?
FOSTER: Yes, I mean, it`s slimmed down much more than was the plan, there was always a plan to slim it down. It was too bloated though too many cousins, picking up royal duties and using public funds effectively, and taking up royal residences, that was always going to be slimmed down. But the idea was that this next generation after Charles would be William, and Harry, and in those early days, remember, when they set up the Royal Foundation, they were always doing everything together. And Meghan was brought into that. And it was meant to be a shared burden. And William doesn`t have that anymore. So, the pressure on Kate and William is much bigger than they ever expected, or has ever been put on any Prince and Princess of Wales in the past, because in the past, they did have many more cousins to lean on centuries, going back centuries, not just decades.
COOPER: Have you been seeing a generational difference in the crowds that you`ve been out there with you are out outside the gates as the Queen was brought?
WARD: I think tradition dictates that the younger generations are less sort of interested or focused on the monarchy. But I certainly found it interesting standing outside Buckingham Palace that you really did see all generations out and a lot of young people. And they`ve never seen a moment like this, frankly, none of us have a state funeral on this level, on this scale. And this sense of sort of stepping into the moment, Britain`s coming together. And so, it may well be a sort of inspiring moment where young people do become more engaged. And certainly you saw a lot of adults and parents out in the crowd who brought their children along to really impress upon them that this is an extraordinary moment in history that they have the privilege of witnessing, and that it does mean something.
One woman telling me, you know that we call it Great Britain and this is what`s great about Britain are these moments when people do come together and they do mark the moment in this profound way. And it`ll be interesting to see how that plays out with the younger generation, how they respond to King Charles.
COOPER: Yes, Clarissa Ward, Max Foster, thank you so much. Appreciate it.
Up next, a special project about my family and me. Details on that ahead.
COOPER: I want to tell you about our project I`ve just finished that I`m quite proud of it`s a podcast. It`s my first one ever. It`s called "All There Is." And the first episode is being released tonight right now, as a matter of fact, there`s going to be a queue -- there`s a QR code on your screen right now. You can point your cell phone camera at it, I`ll give you the link. Again, it`s called "All There Is."
I started recording it while packing in my mom`s apartment at the end of last year after she died. And it`s a podcast about loss and grief and things which I think we don`t talk enough about, much of my life and the person I am has been shaped by the early deaths my dad and my brother, and the podcast is about different ways of thinking about grief and, and, and how to make it through grief and live with loss and grief and talking with others while making this has been -- it`s been life changing for me and I hope it`s helpful for you.
Again, you can scan the QR code on your screen with your phone to find the podcast, or you -- the trailer out is also out for it. And we took the trailer and added some pictures to it so we can play the trailer for you here. Some of the images you`ll see are what I shot while packing up my mom`s stuff. Some of the photos are me and my family. It`s not the first episode of the podcast, but I`ll give you a sense of what the future episodes will look like. Take a look.
COOPER (on-camera): This is what always happens. I ended up coming over here. I spend like hours going through stuff, thinking I can find stuff out and I end up throwing anything out.
(voice-over): This is Anderson Cooper, just before my son Sebastian was born earlier this year, I sold my mom`s apartment and had to finally go through the stuff she`d left behind when she died.
(on-camera): This is cool. So, here`s the telegram from Frank Sinatra at San Francisco International Airport to Ms. Gloria Vanderbilt, he writes, I`m on my way, darling, I miss you and wish you were sharing the seat with me. Love that feller on the wife. That`s kind of exactly what you would want to tell her, Francis Albert Sinatra to be.
(voice-over): My mom was Gloria Vanderbilt and lived a pretty epic life full of great loves and a lot of loss. And it turns out she saved pretty much everything. So far, I`ve discovered secret journals, thousands of photographs and things about her and my family I never knew before and packed away in drawers and boxes. My mom left me hidden notes as a kind of guide through it all.
(on-camera): What a note, says Anderson, blouse and skirt I was wearing when Carter died. When my brother killed himself in front of her this is what she was wearing. I didn`t know she had saved us.
(voice-over): With all the tragedies my mom went through, she never asked why me, why did this happen to me? She`d always ask why not me? Why should me be exempt from the pain of living and losing? And she was right we all lose people we love and yet when it happens to us and we`re grieving, it feels like we`re all alone. At least it does for me. We don`t talk much about loss and grief, which is weird because they are among the most universal of human experiences. So how do we keep moving forward without forgetting the moments and memories, and the people we miss?
UNDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you lose a parent at a young age, it gives you this kind of urgency for life like, this is hidden. You don`t take anything for granted, you know?
COOPER (voice-over): In my new podcast, I`ll be talking with people whose insights and humor are helping me as I go through this grieving process that all of us will go through at some point.
UNDENTIFIED MALE: Pain is part of life, just no two ways about it. Loss is part of life. There`s no two ways about it. In fact, I`ve met people who have not had much pain in their lives who haven`t suffered much and they seem to be the most miserable people that I`ve ever met.
COOPER (voice-over): It`s a podcast about the people we lose, the things they leave behind, and how we can live on with loss and with love.
COOPER: Get the podcast it`s called "All There Is." You can scan the QR code on the bottom of your TV screen to get the first episode. It`s also available right now on Apple podcasts or wherever you can get your podcasts. It will be eight to 10 episodes in the weeks ahead, but the first one is up and available right now. Thanks. I hope you like it.
Up next, what to expect tomorrow here in London as mourners gathered to say goodbye to the Queen.
COOPER: It is a somber night here in London. Earlier Queen Elizabeth made her final journey to Buckingham Palace. Tomorrow the royal family will travel with her coffin in silent procession to Westminster Hall at the Houses of Parliament. The Queen relying stayed there until her funeral on Monday. Join me and the rest of the CNN team for special coverage tomorrow morning starting at 8:00 Eastern. Hope you joining us for that.
The news continues. Want to hand over Laura Coates in "CNN TONIGHT." Laura.